Solid video, as always. I've been adding a crouch dash to my iWS motion; i.e.: d (hold), df, df. On leverless this is really easy to execute and it seemingly alters the release-to-neutral window. I know the additional crouch dash extends the travel distance, I just can't verify whether or not it gets me to active frames any faster than normal iWS.
I appreciate this video. I use Pad, and where I struggle is the pressing of Down Forward without the game thinking i've hit forward at the end of it. In the end the way thats easier for me is to literally push down and then move my thumb to the very right of the Down button so it registers a down-forward. Probably an issue unique to my pad, ah well. Thanks either way!
you can also make instant standing move by pressing both back and forward simultaneously while still holding down button, due to socd. so that could also be helpful for ppl not familiar with releasing buttons to make while standing moves.
@@imortalXsoul Also, I come from a Mishima background where instead of just timing a button press for the first frame of (ws), you input back + button after a crouch dash to ensure crouch dash moves don't come out. Certain universal mechanics like back dash cancel and instant while rising require different considerations for different characters if they have character specific mechanics that might interfere. For example, characters with a sway require clean KBD inputs to keep from accidentally swaying while back dashing.
The main thing about getting a WS from a dash is to not have a forward input, and instead have a neutral in its place. I used to use Feng before t8 and man, his WS1 has some fucked up range when combined with his forward sway.
As a new Raven player, I've watched all of your guides and they're super helpful, so thank you 😊 But as an intermediate - high intermediate player, I was wondering if you were planning on doing any videos on layering Raven's offense. He has so many stance transitions and moves from stances that it's hard for me to keep track of what the opponent is doing when I don't really know what I'm doing lol. I think for BT stance it's a bit easier to do basic layers (like 4,1 punish -> f4,1 if they don't duck, or f2,4 if they do duck. db2 into nothing, then db2 into buttons later when they mash), but I find it hard to know what to do with Soul Zone transitions (BT 2,2 -> SZ, B1 -> SZ, etc.) Obviously the intermediate/more technical videos don't do as well for views as general guides do, so I understand if you don't plan on doing it. Thank you though
Most of them are intermediate and above tbh, the options are there and shown, it’s up to you to use them for conditioning. You can’t copy what i’m doing on players that perhaps don’t understand the mix/mindgame. That’s why trying to copy high level players doesn’t work in Tekken for the most part, because the layering and mind games will be different depending on the skill level of the pool of players if that makes sense
@@imortalXsoul Sorry yeah I didnt mean to make it sound like I wanted to copy certain sequences it's more that I dont have a good understanding yet about which options are good under certain scenarios. Which now that i think about it more, it comes with time and learning which of Ravens moves have which kinds of properties, their startup frames, evasion, etc., along with character knowledge and picking up opponents habits i.e. -> "this string into this stance is good for when your opponent is doing this kind of retaliation" and "this string from this stance is good if your opponent is doing this of retaliation" stuff like that is kind of what I have trouble with now since theres just so much stuff you can do with him lol appreciate the reply
I think it would be very much appreciated if you could do a series that covers “how to beat ___ as Raven”, a lot of people want content like that but there’s hardly any videos like that
@@imortalXsoul totally fair, maybe collabing with some EU players à la King Jae tutorial style, but have them “expose” basic gimmicks/punishes lower level players aren’t exploiting. Just some ideas in the air.
Is there a way to trick the system so i dont have to hold down for a couple of frames in order to access Ravens full crouch lows? Feng can instantly do it from standing just by pressing d df for example.
I have a very big question on this, only characters with some type of wavedash is the only ones who can do the iWS, or the rest of the cast can do it too? Because with characters who has normal movementes i cant do it...
Imortal I'm having a problem lol. This is a great video, by the way. But my problem is it's gotten to the point where I have to throw the chicken sink at this guy's to win If don't I'll lose. I can space them out with the kbd and the backflip but Im finding myself having to attack way more than I used to. During your fights as Raven you seem to always be in control of the pacing of the match. Any tips?
For dualshock and dualsense controllers, there's like a kind of sweet spot on the dpad where you push down on the down button and it sort of rolls into down-forward, and back to down when you release it. I think my tip would be focusing a lot more on the down button of the dpad, avoiding the right button almost entirely (or left depending on which side you're on in-game). After you get comfortable with your thumb placement to get that spot on the dpad consistently, it's just a matter of rhythm to get a cleaner wavedash. I hope this helps!
Thank you for this. Using a WS2 to launch is the coolest thing Raven can pull off, and I see you do it all the time while crouch dashing.
WS2 launch is especially satisfying after teleport parry. Anytime it lands you feel like a legit god.
Love your guides on Raven man. He's my main because not too many ppl play him and you are killing it with the content. Thank you!
thats a proper guide, ravenelectriced 5 kazuyas after watching
LMAO
Solid video, as always. I've been adding a crouch dash to my iWS motion; i.e.: d (hold), df, df. On leverless this is really easy to execute and it seemingly alters the release-to-neutral window. I know the additional crouch dash extends the travel distance, I just can't verify whether or not it gets me to active frames any faster than normal iWS.
Bro thank you for linking this, I finally got on practice and was able to wavedash and instant ws. Thank you so much man, your videos are amazing!
Good tip if you’re struggling with the timing for the neutral to get WS is you can go from crouch to back 1 and WS 1 will come out.
I appreciate this video. I use Pad, and where I struggle is the pressing of Down Forward without the game thinking i've hit forward at the end of it. In the end the way thats easier for me is to literally push down and then move my thumb to the very right of the Down button so it registers a down-forward.
Probably an issue unique to my pad, ah well. Thanks either way!
I've been practicing this on my own recently, but this will help with consistency. Thanks for the upload
as a Mixbox player i always use D DF B2 and it works. i think i learned it from you
Thanks for the well standing guide
Thanks for watching :D
Linking this to a friend right away, we had this topic a couple of days ago 👍
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Great Raven guide as always man!
thanks bro!
you can also make instant standing move by pressing both back and forward simultaneously while still holding down button, due to socd. so that could also be helpful for ppl not familiar with releasing buttons to make while standing moves.
this requires SOCD though and only applies to leverless on a practical level but you’re right, i did a video about this a while back in T7
Saying WS stands for "While Standing (Up)" clears a lot of confusion for new players.
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Yup! While it's referred to as While Rising in-game, we don't want it to clash with While Running for input notations.
New players might confuse "standing" with recovering from knockdown. Off the top of my head, I can' think of any non-Namco games that use the input.
@@similaritiesendhere well, you can actually wake up in a while rising state from a knockdown as well but i see what you mean
@@imortalXsoul Also, I come from a Mishima background where instead of just timing a button press for the first frame of (ws), you input back + button after a crouch dash to ensure crouch dash moves don't come out.
Certain universal mechanics like back dash cancel and instant while rising require different considerations for different characters if they have character specific mechanics that might interfere. For example, characters with a sway require clean KBD inputs to keep from accidentally swaying while back dashing.
This is very useful. I'll be revisiting this video.
Great guides. Keep up the good work 👍🏿
ty!
Yo thank you! I couldn't really figure out why I kept getting QCF moves instead of while rising.
yeah it can be tricky depending on what you’re using for sure
The main thing about getting a WS from a dash is to not have a forward input, and instead have a neutral in its place.
I used to use Feng before t8 and man, his WS1 has some fucked up range when combined with his forward sway.
As a new Raven player, I've watched all of your guides and they're super helpful, so thank you 😊
But as an intermediate - high intermediate player, I was wondering if you were planning on doing any videos on layering Raven's offense. He has so many stance transitions and moves from stances that it's hard for me to keep track of what the opponent is doing when I don't really know what I'm doing lol. I think for BT stance it's a bit easier to do basic layers (like 4,1 punish -> f4,1 if they don't duck, or f2,4 if they do duck. db2 into nothing, then db2 into buttons later when they mash), but I find it hard to know what to do with Soul Zone transitions (BT 2,2 -> SZ, B1 -> SZ, etc.)
Obviously the intermediate/more technical videos don't do as well for views as general guides do, so I understand if you don't plan on doing it. Thank you though
Most of them are intermediate and above tbh, the options are there and shown, it’s up to you to use them for conditioning. You can’t copy what i’m doing on players that perhaps don’t understand the mix/mindgame. That’s why trying to copy high level players doesn’t work in Tekken for the most part, because the layering and mind games will be different depending on the skill level of the pool of players if that makes sense
But to answer your question, yes i have noted layered offence down as an idea for Raven 101 😀
@@imortalXsoul Sorry yeah I didnt mean to make it sound like I wanted to copy certain sequences
it's more that I dont have a good understanding yet about which options are good under certain scenarios. Which now that i think about it more, it comes with time and learning which of Ravens moves have which kinds of properties, their startup frames, evasion, etc., along with character knowledge and picking up opponents habits
i.e. -> "this string into this stance is good for when your opponent is doing this kind of retaliation" and "this string from this stance is good if your opponent is doing this of retaliation"
stuff like that is kind of what I have trouble with now since theres just so much stuff you can do with him lol
appreciate the reply
@@siyoiii7709 yeah it’s more about experimenting with condition tools, something that works for you might not work for others etc
THANKS A LOT I MASTERED IT ❤❤❤
nice
I think it would be very much appreciated if you could do a series that covers “how to beat ___ as Raven”, a lot of people want content like that but there’s hardly any videos like that
I think the reason there are no videos like that yet is because hardly anyone knows a matchup fully, so it’s hard to do an anti character
@@imortalXsoul totally fair, maybe collabing with some EU players à la King Jae tutorial style, but have them “expose” basic gimmicks/punishes lower level players aren’t exploiting. Just some ideas in the air.
Beautiful 🎉
Thank you !
Is there a way to trick the system so i dont have to hold down for a couple of frames in order to access Ravens full crouch lows?
Feng can instantly do it from standing just by pressing d df for example.
No, they didn’t give Raven that ability and I don’t know why
I have a very big question on this, only characters with some type of wavedash is the only ones who can do the iWS, or the rest of the cast can do it too? Because with characters who has normal movementes i cant do it...
crouch dash only
New vídeo yay yay
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I keep getting qcf moves
Can you make a video on how to do Korean backdash please
th-cam.com/video/NPH_iJQOiUk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WTwC80XBMYBescUV i did one it’s just not on my channel
You should edit and add this to your Raven 101 playlist , don't get me wrong i just know how lazy people are ❤
Imortal I'm having a problem lol. This is a great video, by the way. But my problem is it's gotten to the point where I have to throw the chicken sink at this guy's to win If don't I'll lose. I can space them out with the kbd and the backflip but Im finding myself having to attack way more than I used to. During your fights as Raven you seem to always be in control of the pacing of the match. Any tips?
Tekken 8 bro 😂😂😂
Dude i keep fetting cd 2 low everytime even if i delay it or do it fast. geting the crouch dash is easy but how do do you get the ws 2 input wtf😢😢😢
you're getting CD2 because you are pressing forward. It's D, DF N 2. Make sure you return to neutral and DON'T PRESS forward
Where did u get your fight stick case for lever
Eternal Rival
@@imortalXsoul bro all I did was ask what case your using no need to call me your eternal rival😔
bro i can literally delay the move and it ends up doing D,DF+4/2/1
rather than a WS+2/whichever. no idea why, lol
you’re pressing forward that’s why
Did you ever think about picking up Bryan?
i did dabble in 7 but he feels slow in 8 so no 💀
I can never master the crouch dash. I’m getting better but it’s going tekken 6 since I picked up Raven and still have difficulty
For dualshock and dualsense controllers, there's like a kind of sweet spot on the dpad where you push down on the down button and it sort of rolls into down-forward, and back to down when you release it.
I think my tip would be focusing a lot more on the down button of the dpad, avoiding the right button almost entirely (or left depending on which side you're on in-game).
After you get comfortable with your thumb placement to get that spot on the dpad consistently, it's just a matter of rhythm to get a cleaner wavedash. I hope this helps!
@@feeharn5531 dude… bro I did it with no problem now and completely mastered it in one night it totally helped thanks !
@@feeharn5531 you are my savior dawg
what controller is that? it looks good
you need to specify which one, they’re all controllers 💀
LOL SORRY, was referring to the playstation controller.
DS5 customised with retro colours
Hard to do it on controller from the right
it can be at first. Practice makes perfect 🫣
Xbox controller is rough cus the dpad is hmmm....connected i think a ps comtroller would be better@@imortalXsoul
You didn't show keyboard 😢
input is the same as all button...