I don't really like Tanjiro, but these can be refuted. 0:57 while I do agree, you didn't even substantiate on this as to why it isn't applicable to speed itself. And even if it doesn't apply to speed itself, he still massively outpaces Akaza due to the see-throughworld countering Akaza's compass to a certain extent. And in the same panel you've shown, Akaza was literally shocked and was like "impossible...". This shows us how much Tanjiro's reaction speed increased as before, he was getting overpowered by Akaza nearly to the point he could barely react. So it is essentially like a blitz level increase in reaction speed. This now tells us he can consistently react to Akaza and the same scan very easily based off the scan you sent. You're also forgetting that it enhances precision as well and has an increase in reaction time. I'd like to point out the fact that Tanjiro would also have the ability to land consistent hits on Akaza as we see this multiple times throughout the fight. Which is shown in the same panel as we see him having combat speed that Akaza could not dodge. 1:00 while this is true, you're also forgetting the fact that he got tired out and was getting stamina drained. After Akaza fight, he and Giyu literally rested a little while and you also showed that he uses STW in Muzan fight which was later on. So it isn't a stretch to say that same, rested Tanjiro can use STW too and can scale above Akaza as a much weaker, fatigued Tanjiro outpaced Akaza. So other words, a healthy Tanjiro would win against Akaza pretty easily due to this. And Akaza only regenerated his head once. So we can't say he can regenerate his head infinitely, hence, Tanjiro slams Akaza low diff at best, I'd argue no diff. 2:00 this isn't really much of a good argument. One second later you already said "the hashira getting blasted away". Now what does that mean? You yourself said that. And even if it was a technique, it still blitzes the hashira and I'll assume you're reffering to Muzan. And the shaking and whatever could just be the hashira clashing with Muzan and that their fight could be shaking the area and range as well. Which itself is not impossible as this is shown within fiction. The same Muzan literally creates a shockwave while fighting the hashira. Also, you showed a panel about the hashira lying on the floor which literally implies they get blitzed by Muzan or Muzan outpaces them. And at 2:12, how is this a support? Like this doesn't really go into conjunction as to what you were saying before. Later on, those random Demon slayers didn't interrupt attacks. We saw them just save the trio Muzan was fighting which should imply that they would've gotten sliced as they could not move away in time. So again, does do attack anything. 2:30 someone can play skepticism and ask you to validate Giyu's statement and can just scale Akaza above Muzan. While I do agree that Muzan 4th drug > Akaza.
I didn't say further why stw doesn't amp speed cause it's pretty much only said to amp reaction speed I wouldn't say he massively out paces Akaza here but yes he does outpace him Akaza saying impossible could just be the reaction to his head being cut off How does stw counter compass? Tanjiro was getting pressured yes but he was still able to reach and evenly clash with Akaza True I did forget that about stw and perception I didn't say stw Tanjiro getting a blitz level amp because we still see him get tagged by Akaza and cut base Akazas head those are the only feats we see of him Your forgetting this is base Akaza and we saw in the beginning of the fight was marked Tanjiro could out pace base Akaza so stw Tanjiro could out pace that Akaza and cut his head Yes he was tired and stamina drained but he still got hit by the attack by a base Akaza who was also hitting Giyu (not saying the attack was split 50/50 it was likely 70/30 or something) Your right it's not a stretch to say that never noticed that reason I didn't say that is because it wasn't directly shown Your forgetting selfless state is making it so Tanjiro is fighting a base Akaza which he was already shown to be above The Tanjiro that was rested vs Muzan didn't have selfless state so if we have him stw he would still have trouble Not saying Tanjiro looses just saying it's not low or no diff if say mid-high I made a point to show why the hashira were hit by a technique because people argue Muzan didn't use one I never said "Now what does that mean" we don't know if it blitzed the hashira was a surprise attack did blitz the hashira or if they just could dodge it Why would the slayer make a point note of the shaking and noise if it wasn't a different one Why does the hashira getting blasted away mean they got blitzed? 2:12 ya it doesn't really I brought it up to show that Muzan isn't that fast in attack speed True about the Giyu statement which is why I backed it up with him fighting Tanjiro Giyu Obanai and Mitsuri
@sebtw8918 That's on you first of all, and second of all, you still have to substantiate why it's for reaction speed. And how does he not massively outpace Akaza when he has the AP to so and the C-speed to do so as well. Characters like Gyomei have the ability to react to characters like Douma and still don't have enough combat speed to actually catch him. And that still doesn't attack anything? His head got cut off, sure but why does this attack anything for starters?
The same Tanjiro avoided an "undodgable" attack from Akaza and gave him better precision, and Akaza wasn't even holding back. Plus, his compass is limited as well. If it wasn't, he would've defeated Kokushibo by adapting to Kokushibo's speed and stats. So his compass only works on those who don't massively outpace him. Bro? We literally see him get overpowered without STW and eventually lose the clash and ultimately see him need Giyu for saving. So what are you talking about? And bro what? I'm saying STW is a blitz lvl increase in precision and stuff. I never claimed that you had said it. So nice strawman.
STW Tanjiro slams any version of Akaza any time EASILY. A Tanjiro with STW dodged an Akaza's unavoidable attack, and this Akaza matched Tanjiro's battle spirit too, which tells us he surpassed Akaza's BDA. He slams Akaza it's NOT even close in the slightest.
W scaling fr fr My take on this: Physical Strength: Gyomei Striking Strength: Gyomei Combat Speed: Gyomei Reaction Speed: Tanjiro due to STW Durability: idk, probably Gyomei Endurance: Tanjiro maybe. Stamina: we technically didn’t see Gyomei get tired against Koku, and Tanjiro was tired against a Nakime C.Speed lvl Muzan. Battle IQ: Tanjiro Hax: Both has STW and RB so debatable. Defence: Gyomei (due to the chains) Offence: Tanjiro, his firepower is quite strong, pressuring Muzan and this version of Muzan ran instead of attacking. Agility: Tanjiro Skills: Tanjiro Scaling: Gyomei Overall: Gyomei Mid-High diffs. His Koku feats>>Any of Tanjiros Akaza lvl feats. Peak scaling brother. U are the best at this!
Strength : Gyomei - Stone breathing and actually wields a heavy weapon. Speed : Gyomei - Pretty close, but idrc who this point goes to. IQ : Gyomei -Older and more knowledgeable. Haxes : Tanjiro - Selfless state, which is a plus one factor. Arsenal : Tanjiro - Water breathing and sun breathing. Outmatches : Tanjiro Diff : Low.
really bad scaling and reasoning, but the point you're arguing is correct i suppose. in reality it's a lot easier to prove gyomei>tanjiro this way. Near the end of the arc inosuke states that gyomei and giyu were able to react to muzan's thigh whips in order to save the weaker slayers (meaning they're an outpace above thigh whips). Tanjiro when fighting muzan just gets blatantly tagged by the same attack of a weaker muzan. We can use this to prove gyomei and giyu > tanjiro.
@@RiptideST I reason I didn't use that statement is because there's like 12 people all fighting Muzan and this Muzan who's Akaza level so Giyu who's thing is defense and Gyomei who is also kinda about protecting people are gonna be protecting people
This itself is a bad argument. They could've just blocked the attack in order to save them and that could also be their last resort so you'd have to prove it's possibility of being correct. And I can ask you to validate Inosuke.
@ blocking the attack in order to save them does not invalidate the point. either that or you misunderstood my pointlol. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with "last resort". Inosuke's statement is "They protected us. The old guy with rosary lost his leg. And the guy with the half-and-half haori lost his arm."
@ What most people don't take into account that tanjiro alone was only able to stall muzan for no more than 3-5 minutes. He jumped into the fight when 1 hour remained and in manga chapter 194 yoshiro said that still above 50 minutes are left until dawn and muzan attacked tanjiro who would have died but Iguro saved him. Then iguro and tanjiro stalled muzan for 20 minutes. Keep in mind that tamayo had injected 4 drugs into muzan. And the 4th one (cellular disintegration) kicked in while tanjiro and obanai were fighting muzan and muzan begin to cough blood. The point being is that this drug did not initiate while Gyomei was fighting muzan. However both Tanjiro and Iguro were also caught by one of Muzan's attacks and muzan would have escaped had inouske intercepted and attacked him. Then zenitsu also joined the fight. By this time 25 minutes had been left. This means that inouske and zenitsu both were able to stall muzan for almost 10 minutes. Then tanjiro joined the two and the trio was able to pin muzan to a wall. By this time muzan couldn't even lift his own arms. That's how weak he had gotten. Secondly when the hashiras got poisoned they received one shot of the antidote. But when tanjiro got poisoned he went unconscious and yoshiro had to give him a shit load of medicine in order for him to just wake up. The point being that the Gyomei got way less medicine than tanjiro for the poison. Tanjiro had the advantage here as well. Thirdly the reason himijema couldn't fight more was because he lost his leg and yoshiro commented that he has lost so much blood that he can't get up and keep his balance. Tanjiro didn't lose a limb or that amount of blood until the very last moment which is why he was able to fight a bit longer. Fourthly I think it is time that we rest this notion that some tanjiro fanboys go on to ramp about that tanjiro alone was able to fight muzan for an hour. He was able to stall a constantly weakning muzan for no more than 3-5 minutes. Like Gyomei and tanjiro also had help from his comrades all the time. And let's also consider that muzan had been aging 50 years per minute. And if you read the manga gyomei was able to land more hits on muzan than tanjiro and was also able to access the see through world during the fight. He was able to destroy muzan’s torso area not once but twice. Yes he had help from the other hashiras but muzan was also stronger. Tanjiro even when he had help from iguro, zenitsu and inouske was not able to land such blows on a considerably weakened muzan. Lastly let me also make mention that most people think that tanjiro was stronger because he used sun breathing which is the strongest breathing style without a doubt. Well that's not true at all. Just by having a stronger technique doesn't make you stronger than someone like the hashiras and especially someone like Gyomei. For example sound breathing is derived from thunder breathing, hence thunder breathing being the superior and stronger technique. Do you really think that zenitsu was stronger than Uzui during the RLD arc? You'd be outta your mind to think that. Similarly tanjiro’s dad not only had mastered sun breathing better than tanjiro but also had mastered the selfless state. Now I wouldn't even put him above any of the hashiras. The point is having a superior technique doesn't necessarily make a fighter stronger than the other. Same goes with having a demon slayer mark. Kokushibo was able to kill (he could have killed him if he wanted to at that point but chose to pin muichiro against a pillar) a marked muichiro without even unsheathing his sword. While an unmarked gyomei was able to keep up quite well against kokushibo. Muzan was way more imoressed with Gyomei and also recognized Gyomei as the demon hunter that defeated kokushibo. One more point is that tanjiro after his fight with akaza passed out for God knows how long until he woke up and saw giyu sitting by the fire. Which means that he had some time to rest and re-cooparate. While gyomei had just defeated a demon who when held akaza’s hand, akaza almost shit his pants. And then gyomei dived right into fighting muzan. Gyomei had everything going against him and still was able to do all that. Considering all these facts and arguments I think gyomei is still the strongest demon slayer of this generation and leaps and bonds above any other. You can compare tanjiro to other hashiras but Gyomei is still the strongest.
I don't really like Tanjiro, but these can be refuted.
0:57 while I do agree, you didn't even substantiate on this as to why it isn't applicable to speed itself. And even if it doesn't apply to speed itself, he still massively outpaces Akaza due to the see-throughworld countering Akaza's compass to a certain extent. And in the same panel you've shown, Akaza was literally shocked and was like "impossible...". This shows us how much Tanjiro's reaction speed increased as before, he was getting overpowered by Akaza nearly to the point he could barely react. So it is essentially like a blitz level increase in reaction speed. This now tells us he can consistently react to Akaza and the same scan very easily based off the scan you sent. You're also forgetting that it enhances precision as well and has an increase in reaction time. I'd like to point out the fact that Tanjiro would also have the ability to land consistent hits on Akaza as we see this multiple times throughout the fight. Which is shown in the same panel as we see him having combat speed that Akaza could not dodge.
1:00 while this is true, you're also forgetting the fact that he got tired out and was getting stamina drained. After Akaza fight, he and Giyu literally rested a little while and you also showed that he uses STW in Muzan fight which was later on. So it isn't a stretch to say that same, rested Tanjiro can use STW too and can scale above Akaza as a much weaker, fatigued Tanjiro outpaced Akaza. So other words, a healthy Tanjiro would win against Akaza pretty easily due to this. And Akaza only regenerated his head once. So we can't say he can regenerate his head infinitely, hence, Tanjiro slams Akaza low diff at best, I'd argue no diff.
2:00 this isn't really much of a good argument. One second later you already said "the hashira getting blasted away". Now what does that mean? You yourself said that. And even if it was a technique, it still blitzes the hashira and I'll assume you're reffering to Muzan. And the shaking and whatever could just be the hashira clashing with Muzan and that their fight could be shaking the area and range as well. Which itself is not impossible as this is shown within fiction. The same Muzan literally creates a shockwave while fighting the hashira. Also, you showed a panel about the hashira lying on the floor which literally implies they get blitzed by Muzan or Muzan outpaces them. And at 2:12, how is this a support? Like this doesn't really go into conjunction as to what you were saying before. Later on, those random Demon slayers didn't interrupt attacks. We saw them just save the trio Muzan was fighting which should imply that they would've gotten sliced as they could not move away in time. So again, does do attack anything.
2:30 someone can play skepticism and ask you to validate Giyu's statement and can just scale Akaza above Muzan. While I do agree that Muzan 4th drug > Akaza.
I didn't say further why stw doesn't amp speed cause it's pretty much only said to amp reaction speed
I wouldn't say he massively out paces Akaza here but yes he does outpace him
Akaza saying impossible could just be the reaction to his head being cut off
How does stw counter compass?
Tanjiro was getting pressured yes but he was still able to reach and evenly clash with Akaza
True I did forget that about stw and perception
I didn't say stw Tanjiro getting a blitz level amp because we still see him get tagged by Akaza and cut base Akazas head those are the only feats we see of him
Your forgetting this is base Akaza and we saw in the beginning of the fight was marked Tanjiro could out pace base Akaza so stw Tanjiro could out pace that Akaza and cut his head
Yes he was tired and stamina drained but he still got hit by the attack by a base Akaza who was also hitting Giyu (not saying the attack was split 50/50 it was likely 70/30 or something)
Your right it's not a stretch to say that never noticed that reason I didn't say that is because it wasn't directly shown
Your forgetting selfless state is making it so Tanjiro is fighting a base Akaza which he was already shown to be above
The Tanjiro that was rested vs Muzan didn't have selfless state so if we have him stw he would still have trouble
Not saying Tanjiro looses just saying it's not low or no diff if say mid-high
I made a point to show why the hashira were hit by a technique because people argue Muzan didn't use one
I never said "Now what does that mean" we don't know if it blitzed the hashira was a surprise attack did blitz the hashira or if they just could dodge it
Why would the slayer make a point note of the shaking and noise if it wasn't a different one
Why does the hashira getting blasted away mean they got blitzed?
2:12 ya it doesn't really I brought it up to show that Muzan isn't that fast in attack speed
True about the Giyu statement which is why I backed it up with him fighting Tanjiro Giyu Obanai and Mitsuri
@sebtw8918 That's on you first of all, and second of all, you still have to substantiate why it's for reaction speed.
And how does he not massively outpace Akaza when he has the AP to so and the C-speed to do so as well. Characters like Gyomei have the ability to react to characters like Douma and still don't have enough combat speed to actually catch him.
And that still doesn't attack anything? His head got cut off, sure but why does this attack anything for starters?
Like, it doesn't attack anything of the above. His head got cut off, so what? STW still counters Akaza's compass to a good extent.
The same Tanjiro avoided an "undodgable" attack from Akaza and gave him better precision, and Akaza wasn't even holding back. Plus, his compass is limited as well. If it wasn't, he would've defeated Kokushibo by adapting to Kokushibo's speed and stats. So his compass only works on those who don't massively outpace him.
Bro? We literally see him get overpowered without STW and eventually lose the clash and ultimately see him need Giyu for saving. So what are you talking about?
And bro what? I'm saying STW is a blitz lvl increase in precision and stuff. I never claimed that you had said it. So nice strawman.
STW Tanjiro slams any version of Akaza any time EASILY. A Tanjiro with STW dodged an Akaza's unavoidable attack, and this Akaza matched Tanjiro's battle spirit too, which tells us he surpassed Akaza's BDA. He slams Akaza it's NOT even close in the slightest.
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My take on this:
Physical Strength: Gyomei
Striking Strength: Gyomei
Combat Speed: Gyomei
Reaction Speed: Tanjiro due to STW
Durability: idk, probably Gyomei
Endurance: Tanjiro maybe.
Stamina: we technically didn’t see Gyomei get tired against Koku, and Tanjiro was tired against a Nakime C.Speed lvl Muzan.
Battle IQ: Tanjiro
Hax: Both has STW and RB so debatable.
Defence: Gyomei (due to the chains)
Offence: Tanjiro, his firepower is quite strong, pressuring Muzan and this version of Muzan ran instead of attacking.
Agility: Tanjiro
Skills: Tanjiro
Scaling: Gyomei
Overall: Gyomei Mid-High diffs. His Koku feats>>Any of Tanjiros Akaza lvl feats.
Peak scaling brother. U are the best at this!
Thank you brotha 🙏 although Gyomei also has stw so his reaction speed should be better but besides that I agree with you completely
@@sebtw8918 ik bro but I had to give Tanjiro something useful 😭🙏🏻🤷♂️
Strength : Gyomei
- Stone breathing and actually wields a heavy weapon.
Speed : Gyomei
- Pretty close, but idrc who this point goes to.
IQ : Gyomei
-Older and more knowledgeable.
Haxes : Tanjiro
- Selfless state, which is a plus one factor.
Arsenal : Tanjiro
- Water breathing and sun breathing.
Outmatches : Tanjiro
Diff : Low.
really bad scaling and reasoning, but the point you're arguing is correct i suppose.
in reality it's a lot easier to prove gyomei>tanjiro this way. Near the end of the arc inosuke states that gyomei and giyu were able to react to muzan's thigh whips in order to save the weaker slayers (meaning they're an outpace above thigh whips). Tanjiro when fighting muzan just gets blatantly tagged by the same attack of a weaker muzan. We can use this to prove gyomei and giyu > tanjiro.
@@RiptideST I reason I didn't use that statement is because there's like 12 people all fighting Muzan and this Muzan who's Akaza level so Giyu who's thing is defense and Gyomei who is also kinda about protecting people are gonna be protecting people
This itself is a bad argument. They could've just blocked the attack in order to save them and that could also be their last resort so you'd have to prove it's possibility of being correct. And I can ask you to validate Inosuke.
@ blocking the attack in order to save them does not invalidate the point. either that or you misunderstood my pointlol. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with "last resort".
Inosuke's statement is "They protected us. The old guy with rosary lost his leg. And the guy with the half-and-half haori lost his arm."
@ why is muzan akaza level?
@RiptideST Yes, it could. It could be that they blocked as a last resort and saw it coming at last.
why do you sound so much sadder in this vid 😭
Im pretty sure it was like 10 pm I was tired alr 😭
gyomei low diffs
Tanjiro low diffs Akaza rival instead.
@@EscapedHell tanjiro is fodder. saying tanjiro wins is just glazing.
@JCF245 how
@ What most people don't take into account that tanjiro alone was only able to stall muzan for no more than 3-5 minutes. He jumped into the fight when 1 hour remained and in manga chapter 194 yoshiro said that still above 50 minutes are left until dawn and muzan attacked tanjiro who would have died but Iguro saved him. Then iguro and tanjiro stalled muzan for 20 minutes. Keep in mind that tamayo had injected 4 drugs into muzan. And the 4th one (cellular disintegration) kicked in while tanjiro and obanai were fighting muzan and muzan begin to cough blood. The point being is that this drug did not initiate while Gyomei was fighting muzan. However both Tanjiro and Iguro were also caught by one of Muzan's attacks and muzan would have escaped had inouske intercepted and attacked him. Then zenitsu also joined the fight. By this time 25 minutes had been left. This means that inouske and zenitsu both were able to stall muzan for almost 10 minutes. Then tanjiro joined the two and the trio was able to pin muzan to a wall. By this time muzan couldn't even lift his own arms. That's how weak he had gotten.
Secondly when the hashiras got poisoned they received one shot of the antidote. But when tanjiro got poisoned he went unconscious and yoshiro had to give him a shit load of medicine in order for him to just wake up. The point being that the Gyomei got way less medicine than tanjiro for the poison. Tanjiro had the advantage here as well.
Thirdly the reason himijema couldn't fight more was because he lost his leg and yoshiro commented that he has lost so much blood that he can't get up and keep his balance. Tanjiro didn't lose a limb or that amount of blood until the very last moment which is why he was able to fight a bit longer.
Fourthly I think it is time that we rest this notion that some tanjiro fanboys go on to ramp about that tanjiro alone was able to fight muzan for an hour. He was able to stall a constantly weakning muzan for no more than 3-5 minutes. Like Gyomei and tanjiro also had help from his comrades all the time.
And let's also consider that muzan had been aging 50 years per minute. And if you read the manga gyomei was able to land more hits on muzan than tanjiro and was also able to access the see through world during the fight. He was able to destroy muzan’s torso area not once but twice. Yes he had help from the other hashiras but muzan was also stronger. Tanjiro even when he had help from iguro, zenitsu and inouske was not able to land such blows on a considerably weakened muzan.
Lastly let me also make mention that most people think that tanjiro was stronger because he used sun breathing which is the strongest breathing style without a doubt. Well that's not true at all. Just by having a stronger technique doesn't make you stronger than someone like the hashiras and especially someone like Gyomei. For example sound breathing is derived from thunder breathing, hence thunder breathing being the superior and stronger technique. Do you really think that zenitsu was stronger than Uzui during the RLD arc? You'd be outta your mind to think that. Similarly tanjiro’s dad not only had mastered sun breathing better than tanjiro but also had mastered the selfless state. Now I wouldn't even put him above any of the hashiras. The point is having a superior technique doesn't necessarily make a fighter stronger than the other. Same goes with having a demon slayer mark. Kokushibo was able to kill (he could have killed him if he wanted to at that point but chose to pin muichiro against a pillar) a marked muichiro without even unsheathing his sword. While an unmarked gyomei was able to keep up quite well against kokushibo.
Muzan was way more imoressed with Gyomei and also recognized Gyomei as the demon hunter that defeated kokushibo. One more point is that tanjiro after his fight with akaza passed out for God knows how long until he woke up and saw giyu sitting by the fire. Which means that he had some time to rest and re-cooparate. While gyomei had just defeated a demon who when held akaza’s hand, akaza almost shit his pants. And then gyomei dived right into fighting muzan. Gyomei had everything going against him and still was able to do all that.
Considering all these facts and arguments I think gyomei is still the strongest demon slayer of this generation and leaps and bonds above any other. You can compare tanjiro to other hashiras but Gyomei is still the strongest.
@JCF245 u found this off qoura and this only accounts to endurance and dura lol