Agree with you. I’ve been shouting it from the rooftop to All willing to listen. Jazz makes up less than 3 percent of the base music consumer. To only make a low amount of copies available does NO one any good. All wanting a copy should have access in the format they desire. RSD copies, MM copies, bring out the flippers and ruin the art!!! For us long term guys, it’s an Art and not a hobby.
yes to this!! i recently bought the 2022 remaster of my favorite things which had 1 x 33 1/3 mono and 1 x 33 1/3 stereo with a nice booklet to read while enjoying the tunes. A 2 x 45 sounds wonderfully better. :))
I just want quality releases, single sleeves, I prefer the 33 over 45, and do not really care about mono releases unless that was the original release.
The Japaneses, for the first time, edited, for it's 75th birthday anniversary, a long list of Blue Note albums with some unreleased tunes on many of those titles, "Blue Trane" session included. So I'm quite sure that they will edit, for the first time in a double LP set, the 8 tunes recorded that day. Let's see if I'm right about it.
I wish the Tone Poet’s did away with the gatefold jackets. Feels like an unnecessary expense. You’re not replicating the original release, you just get a few extra photos inside and it takes up more space in the shelf. They can stick with the heavy duty tip on jackets without the gatefold and bring the cost down a bit.
As these terms get thrown about quite a bit with many not really knowing the actual meaning or importance from a demographics perspective. The Silent Generation (1925-1944}, 52.5 million were the core audience for the jazz movement. Then came the Baby Boomers (1945-1964) 78.2 billion which brought rock n roll & the birth of high end audio. With the birth of high end brought the interest in the boomers expanding their interest into wider range of music, especially Jazz. Now Mike's generation, Gen X (1965-1984) 69.5 million which was really the start of the digital revolution. Vinyl was dying along with many high end audio shops especially when you consider there were nearly 10 million less Gen Xer's then Boomer's. Now this is where it gets really interesting, Gen Y, The Millennials (1985-2004) 79.5 million, 1.3 million more then Boomers. The Silent Gen is dying off, the Boomers are retrieving and the Millinnials are the real economy drivers now, it's all in the numbers. The rebirth of the headphone industry is because of the Millinnials & they are better then they ever were in the 70's & 80's, which eventually inspired there interest in high end 2 channel. And the grand finale, the rebirth of vinyl. So my message to the selfish hoarders that are mearly interested in keeping prices at unobtainable levels for so many new guys wanting to enjoy many of our great American treasures, shame on you. I hope they keep pressing away, it has never been better. I only wish that these great artist were with us today to enjoy the respect they so richly deserved. All I can say is thank you to the Millinnials as this is truly the Golden age of vinyl!
Mike, I think you have done a great job in trying to illuminate an increasingly, at least to me, complex field of different labels, mastering techniques, mastering engineers, analog vs. digital sources, etc. 45 years ago, I decided that LPs sounded better than CDs when played on a competent turntable. In the 80's, 90's and first decade of 2000 I went to garage sales every weekend and amassed around 3,700 titles (south of Tampa Bay, FL). Now I search EBay, Discogs, Record Stores to try and fill in the gaps of artists I love. (My primary love, 60's and 70's rock, and classic, traditional be-bop jazz.) But lately, I have gotten audiophile pressings that have slight warps (I think from people who bought them to resell and did not store properly or simply were not "pressed" with the attention to detail that was present years ago). I am disillusioned and about to call it quits. Too many choices, too many variables, too expensive and quality control problems. I'm throwing in the towel.
many flippers buy audiophile pressings and never open them because they want to resell them with profit. I would never buy (or very rarely) an unopened vinyl record from a private seller because they quality control nowadays is often not existing...
@@lucalone Your advice is well taken and thankfully, it was not a terribly expensive one. The LP was "Pinkerton" by Weezer and other than that very slight "warp" which my turntable easily tracks, the LP is absolutely perfect and had never even been opened from it's direct purchase from Mobile Fidelity! But going forward, I will use more caution if I go forward at all LOL.
@@iblamesummers I guess I just don't get how the bull k of LP's that I bought at garage sales in the 80's, 90's, (about 3,700) have none and the reissues that I'm paying through the nose for now have them.
Mike… it will be the Mono version of Blue train, you can see so on the label they were pasting on the vinyl (it said BLP) and Joe Harley said it would not be an SRX-type of vinyl.. they don’t have plans going in that direction as for now.. that’s what he said in the interview. It looks like it’s just going to be a regular tone poet mono version. They seem not to have any plans in making SRX type vinyls as of yet. Maybe they just want to make it accessible/cheap as they all have been, I suppose.
So, when a title was orig done in mono I actually prefer it in MONO. A lot of times when a title in the 60s was recorded in MONO and also in a multi track stereo i will purchase both (The Nat King Cole Story is an example). If they specially alter the mono to make it stereo I do not care for those. Personally, I would love Tone Poets in MONO. I also am drawn to the Tone Poets as they are very high quality and cheap- I like quality at a reasonable price. Music matters never interested me. I look forward to this Blue Train pressing. I would rather have a Stouton gatefold jacket than a box set- I wish the Eric Clapton MOFI would have come with a nice gatefold jacket instead of that clunky box. In the future they should give you a choice of same quality vinyl but we can opt out of that box and get a Stouton Gatefold instead. IMO. I am with you : make it accessible to everyone. I grew up in the 70s and started buying records late 70s, I was 10 - it was accessible to everyone.
I agree that Craft small batch should get out to retailers but then shouldn’t Analog Productions and MoFi get you and other retailers their One Steps and UHQRs at the same time they ship them? That is one reason I’ve never ordered them from a third party like you. Too bad I’d rather support the indies ✌🏻
Hi Mike, thanks for your super cool videos BTW. In my opinion it might be much simpler about BN Coltrane future release : they just prepare a large batch of records to be released worldwide at the same time (or approx same time). This is a famous album and they probably have learnt from Chet Baker sings, when it was sold out very quickly. Don Was's Instagram video seems to show a regular BN TP record, nothing more, nothing less... Julien (paris, France)
It’s interesting Mike you talking about Blue Note doing a One Step record. These would most likely come from the original master tapes and cut to lacquer from those I would think. It would be interesting to hear if we would be able to notice a difference. Moanin’ would be amazing
I'd happily (re-)buy all the Classics in Tone Poet format, though, I am not a huge fan of the bulky gatefold sleeves. Just give me the best quality pressing in a faithful reproduction of the original sleeve (a la Speakers Corner, no barcodes printed on the sleeve!). Maybe BN are finally going to put out a third Blue Note Review box and slide Blue Train into that?
Definitely wouldn’t mind these mono releases, but mono is not for me personally. Yes, some mono recordings are very good, but I always choose stereo over mono, if available. Mono simply doesn’t have that sound stage most good stereo recordings do. I already have MM mono Blue Train and would love a AAA stereo version myself. Regardless, many good developments in the world of vinyl currently.
Have you heard any word on when (assuming they're even going to) they are going to repress Grant Green's Nigeria? That one has been out of print for a good long time, and I can't bring myself to pay the horrific aftermarket prices on it.
I got the info that Grant Green's Nigeria is in repress at this moment. Expected for sale again in the near future. A while ago I also got info from that same source that Chick Corea - Now He Sings, Now He Sobs - would be repressed again and this info was correct as it is currently back for sale.
Damn. I have the MM mono Blue Train.... was looking to get a nice stereo version. The Analogue Productions stereo 45rpm LP is prohibitively expensive on the secondhand market.
BLUE NOTE CLASSIC SERIES: I kinda get the point of not making premium gatefold sleeves, since MM did it. But why go with the lower end of the spectrum, with flimsy stuff? Isn’t there a middle ground? Non gatefold, but nice enough cardboard/print? The CLASSIC SERIES quality of vinyl and quality of jacket are incoherent, a mismatch. Charge 1 or 2 $ more and print jackets that pay tribute to the BLUE NOTE artwork and brand. Simples.
Don Was said in one of the interviews when asked the very same question that the direction of the Classic series is to have top of the line medium (analogue sourced vinyl) packaged in the affordable packaging (thin matte cardboard sleeve) to appease the general population of BN jazz buyers and collectors, this is unlikely to change anytime soon, if ever. The issue he had with it was that if they went with higher grade, glossy slip pockets for the Classics they would come too close to 30% more expensive non-gate fold Tone Poets, and there are admittedly quite of few of them. He thus wanted to retain the clearer line of separation. But you never know… just look at the move they made from BN75 to BN80 series after the collectors demanded more authentic (analogue instead of DSD hi res digital) sources of those pressings. That was a great move by the BN and it took them a long time to do so. So yeah… I am still hopeful for better quality of the Classics packaging but unless TP lifts its game (how and what exactly?) and moves into higher price bracket, not much will change IMO.
In an interview this week, Kevin Gray said there would be an album of unreleased material included in the Blue Train Tone Poet. What I don't know is does that mean alternative / acoustic versions of the actual songs or does it mean material we've never heard before in any iteration? I certainly would prefer the latter.
I started collecting Jazz cause of the Tone Poet I love the whole series I have collected a lot of them at the time they were the same price as the Classic series is now but I prefer the Tone Poet over the classic series I like the gatefold the cracking of the spine the pictures. The Tone Poets have held up in the price department and some have really gone way up in price I hope they don't do a boxset it will probably be out of my price range but maybe they have a live set that John Coltrane did of Blue Train I just wish he was alive to see how much people really love his music.
Being a big fan and collector of the the Tone Poet and 80th/Classic series I am excited to get a copy of this Coltrane title! Perhaps they will release this as a double LP set with both a mono and stereo version.
I have an original pressing, A Classic Records mono 200 gram, A Music Matters Blue vinyl pressing and a Music Matters Black vinyl pressing. Do I really need a Tone Poet? Hell YES!!!!!
I’d be interested to see how Blue Note would handle a special compound record, now that you mention it. I’d think I would prefer that over a boxed set for this title (although I’m in for whatever they have up their sleeves at this point!).
So if you’re new to Jazz, with Blue Note, you pay more for second rate (albeit still great) albums packed in premium jackets, and less for first rate records (greater) packed in flimsy jackets. Makes no sense!
Could the “special” thing be that it’s cut at 45rpm? And I agree they should do some mono versions,. Love the sound of a perfectly mastered mono record, they have these layers to them. Some sound like it could be stereo, the Duke Ellington - Masterpieces 45rpm as a example.
@@nicolasdoriaadethansen2259 most people don't have a choice if they want it on vinyl--DOL, Waxtime et cetera it doesn't matter--I blame the record labels, corporations & global media conglomerates for not keeping their albums in print...
I bought almost all the "disk union" Blue Note mono series. They were $49 at the time, i got laughed off the SHF for saying they were great value, and people would regret passing on them.
I honestly wish they would just do the original Blue Train program (again) as a TP with no bells or whistles. I also wish BN would reissue all the MM titles as TPs to combat the absurd second-hand prices (I guess they can't reissue them as MM cuz the license is expired and perhaps MM is kinda done), also maybe just use the MM metal...? And I agree, I believe there is a market for all this BN stuff to be reissued in mono here in the US
I will absolutely be picking this up. It’s time for me to finally invest in a mono cart. Also - I want to absolutely get all the classic AAA titles in Tone Poet style.
I have the 33rpm MM and 45 AP of Blue Train and 3 CD copies. I'll be passing on the Tone Poet. I think it's great this iconic title is getting the Tone Poet treatment. I think Joe knows this is what the fans want.
Nice Mike....I the Blue Trane in Mono when it was reissued by Classic Records and King pressing from Japan....it would be great if Blue Note would issue that record in Supervinyl, that would be something special....let's see....Ed in New York 😎🌃🎶🎵🎷
If the mono releases are just fold downs of the stereo mix then I wouldn't go near them. They're pointless in my eyes. But like you've stated, some collector's want all variations so it makes sense to release them. A mono box set would be a huge seller. It's incredible how so many companies are leaving money on the table.
After watching the Don Was post like it was the Zapruder film, I suspect this will simply be a mono Tone Poet, at the same price-point of the label’s other releases. They’re not going to put out a 45 or a box set or some new vinyl formulation. It will be their best swing at replicating the sound of the 2014 MM mono. And the SRX will remain the elusive gold standard.
I agree with you and I z luv Mono pressings. Bluenote and Harley have to realize that not everyone was able to get the Music Matters, either due to availability or price, so re releasing them again as Tone Poests make since. Some of the Bluenote tittles on Music Matters have not been re released in decades, so they are over do and some of us are clamoring over some of the titles that Music Matters had, that are no longer available. I agree with mono pressings in special jackets. I will buy two copies of the John Coltrane. I have a mono New York label of it in decent condition. People are spending ridiculous amounts of money on vinyl these days, heck look at Record Store Day, if people have money, give the people what they want!!!
Around the Blue Note 75th, I recall the word being the tapes had been digitized and the analog masters would no longer be available for future releases. If so, we have Joe Harley to thank for influencing Don Was otherwise and for proving through the success of the Tone Poets that analog mastering still matters.
My best bet is there will be a mono and stereo disc. Also, I am the buyer you were talking about! I want every title as tone poet, the classics are great, but give me the option for the whole enchilada and I’ll buy it in droves!
Agree with your thoughts. I have often wondered why BN does not do Tone Poet 45s the way Music Matters and Analogue Productions have done in the past. Perhaps BN is waiting for the MM contract to expire before they jump in and do a few BN 45s. Quite a few to choose from. Blue Train, Moanin', A Caddy for Daddy, etc. Could also see them doing both 33s and 45s.
The Tone Poets and the Classic Series are both phenomenal and terrific gateway drugs for launching a high quality jazz habit! Blue Train will be huge. No idea what the special treatment might be, except that perhaps they're pressing 40,000 of them when they might otherwise do 15,000. Obviously there's numbers are hypothetical but, just saying, it might just be a huge uptick in the amount that they produce. PS-I actually like the single sleeve of the Classic series, and I don't need every album in my collection to be the equivalent of two and a half albums worth of space, for one LP, and like 34 minutes of music. Mono only appeals to me for albums made in the mono era, but if that's authentic, then that's what I want.
Look at My Favorite Things - Mono and Stereo and they found non damaged tapes after ERC release Now Coltrane Atlantic mono box is complete! Sounds great - only $30
@@lucalone really dont get these insane price differences, we basically pay double in europe. surely can't only be shipping/customs/VAT or? and as mike mentioned, getting AP, MoFi and that kind of stuff in europe is the next rip off
@@ActionCutter MoFi's are pressed in the USA so you have to import them, but that Coltrane 2 lp set of my favorite things is pressed in Germany and it's much cheaper in the USA than in Germany ! Like the Chewbacca defense IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE !!!
Hi Mike, I saw a few stalls in Den Bosch that were selling MOFIs (outside your stall). I remember a number of Dylans and others...but as you say no Analogue Productions titles and no Speakers Corners either. Which is strange because this is German. Also here in Belgium in the local shops you will find Tone Poets, Blue Notes and in 1 shop even some MOFI's or Analogue Productions titles (new, not second-hand), but again no Speakers Corners. About the Blue Train, I'm guessing the mono edition with some extras (outtakes or other versions?) Because they will do something special
I've got the 2008 AAA Blue Note reissue (which also came with a CD) and it sounds great, but I would definitely buy a Tone Poet, especially if it was mono.
Hi Mike, If it is a special edition then perhaps KG is Mastering this using the stereo cut at 33 which was never done by MM. Or release both versions as a box set
Yep - I'm new to jazz and getting good editions of this stuff is hard and expensive. The demand is there and they should DEFINITELY duplicate things they have done in the past.
I'm fairly new to the jazz genre, and I definitely would love to have a premium version of those titles! There's a lot of us "new guy's " out there that are dying to get our hands on premium versions of these things!
I have the MM33s and I have no problem if the TP series repeated the titles. What BN needs to do is stop pressing the Classic series at Optimal, too many problems with non-fill and noisy vinyl. I've returned so many copies trying to get good ones - it's ridiculous. I have A/Bed Idle Moments and the Classic sounds like crap compared to the MM. I hope there is a day when all of the BN catalog is always in print!
Agree with you. I’ve been shouting it from the rooftop to All willing to listen. Jazz makes up less than 3 percent of the base music consumer. To only make a low amount of copies available does NO one any good. All wanting a copy should have access in the format they desire. RSD copies, MM copies, bring out the flippers and ruin the art!!! For us long term guys, it’s an Art and not a hobby.
Very nicely said.
Many other Jazz musicians besides the top ten these videos always feature have records in dollar bins around the country.
That lacquer zinger was worth the video on its own.
Thanks Mike!
3 LP set: 1x 33/3 mono & 2x 45rpm stereo, both on SRX vinyl plus foto booklet with some interesting inside stories about the record and musicians.
yes to this!! i recently bought the 2022 remaster of my favorite things which had 1 x 33 1/3 mono and 1 x 33 1/3 stereo with a nice booklet to read while enjoying the tunes. A 2 x 45 sounds wonderfully better. :))
Thanos is coming for those lacquers!
I just want quality releases, single sleeves, I prefer the 33 over 45, and do not really care about mono releases unless that was the original release.
The Japaneses, for the first time, edited, for it's 75th birthday anniversary, a long list of Blue Note albums with some unreleased tunes on many of those titles, "Blue Trane" session included. So I'm quite sure that they will edit, for the first time in a double LP set, the 8 tunes recorded that day. Let's see if I'm right about it.
Joe said in his video with 45rpm audiophile that they had no plans to do special vinyl compounds. I’m stumped.
Fantastic information Mike, thank you! 😊
I wish the Tone Poet’s did away with the gatefold jackets. Feels like an unnecessary expense. You’re not replicating the original release, you just get a few extra photos inside and it takes up more space in the shelf. They can stick with the heavy duty tip on jackets without the gatefold and bring the cost down a bit.
No matter what it is I’m excited.
Yes I love mono mix’s. And that you are guessing what they might do and telling them what they should do all at the same time. Hope they listen.
As these terms get thrown about quite a bit with many not really knowing the actual meaning or importance from a demographics perspective. The Silent Generation (1925-1944}, 52.5 million were the core audience for the jazz movement. Then came the Baby Boomers (1945-1964) 78.2 billion which brought rock n roll & the birth of high end audio. With the birth of high end brought the interest in the boomers expanding their interest into wider range of music, especially Jazz. Now Mike's generation, Gen X (1965-1984) 69.5 million which was really the start of the digital revolution. Vinyl was dying along with many high end audio shops especially when you consider there were nearly 10 million less Gen Xer's then Boomer's. Now this is where it gets really interesting, Gen Y, The Millennials (1985-2004) 79.5 million, 1.3 million more then Boomers. The Silent Gen is dying off, the Boomers are retrieving and the Millinnials are the real economy drivers now, it's all in the numbers. The rebirth of the headphone industry is because of the Millinnials & they are better then they ever were in the 70's & 80's, which eventually inspired there interest in high end 2 channel. And the grand finale, the rebirth of vinyl. So my message to the selfish hoarders that are mearly interested in keeping prices at unobtainable levels for so many new guys wanting to enjoy many of our great American treasures, shame on you. I hope they keep pressing away, it has never been better. I only wish that these great artist were with us today to enjoy the respect they so richly deserved. All I can say is thank you to the Millinnials as this is truly the Golden age of vinyl!
Mike, I think you have done a great job in trying to illuminate an increasingly, at least to me, complex field of different labels, mastering techniques, mastering engineers, analog vs. digital sources, etc. 45 years ago, I decided that LPs sounded better than CDs when played on a competent turntable. In the 80's, 90's and first decade of 2000 I went to garage sales every weekend and amassed around 3,700 titles (south of Tampa Bay, FL). Now I search EBay, Discogs, Record Stores to try and fill in the gaps of artists I love. (My primary love, 60's and 70's rock, and classic, traditional be-bop jazz.) But lately, I have gotten audiophile pressings that have slight warps (I think from people who bought them to resell and did not store properly or simply were not "pressed" with the attention to detail that was present years ago). I am disillusioned and about to call it quits. Too many choices, too many variables, too expensive and quality control problems. I'm throwing in the towel.
many flippers buy audiophile pressings and never open them because they want to resell them with profit.
I would never buy (or very rarely) an unopened vinyl record from a private seller because they quality control nowadays is often not existing...
@@lucalone Your advice is well taken and thankfully, it was not a terribly expensive one. The LP was "Pinkerton" by Weezer and other than that very slight "warp" which my turntable easily tracks, the LP is absolutely perfect and had never even been opened from it's direct purchase from Mobile Fidelity! But going forward, I will use more caution if I go forward at all LOL.
a few warps would never deter me out of this game.
@@iblamesummers I guess I just don't get how the bull k of LP's that I bought at garage sales in the 80's, 90's, (about 3,700) have none and the reissues that I'm paying through the nose for now have them.
Wow
Great video
Thank you Michael
Mike… it will be the Mono version of Blue train, you can see so on the label they were pasting on the vinyl (it said BLP) and Joe Harley said it would not be an SRX-type of vinyl.. they don’t have plans going in that direction as for now.. that’s what he said in the interview. It looks like it’s just going to be a regular tone poet mono version. They seem not to have any plans in making SRX type vinyls as of yet. Maybe they just want to make it accessible/cheap as they all have been, I suppose.
So, when a title was orig done in mono I actually prefer it in MONO. A lot of times when a title in the 60s was recorded in MONO and also in a multi track stereo i will purchase both (The Nat King Cole Story is an example). If they specially alter the mono to make it stereo I do not care for those. Personally, I would love Tone Poets in MONO. I also am drawn to the Tone Poets as they are very high quality and cheap- I like quality at a reasonable price. Music matters never interested me. I look forward to this Blue Train pressing. I would rather have a Stouton gatefold jacket than a box set- I wish the Eric Clapton MOFI would have come with a nice gatefold jacket instead of that clunky box. In the future they should give you a choice of same quality vinyl but we can opt out of that box and get a Stouton Gatefold instead. IMO. I am with you : make it accessible to everyone. I grew up in the 70s and started buying records late 70s, I was 10 - it was accessible to everyone.
I agree that Craft small batch should get out to retailers but then shouldn’t Analog Productions and MoFi get you and other retailers their One Steps and UHQRs at the same time they ship them? That is one reason I’ve never ordered them from a third party like you. Too bad I’d rather support the indies ✌🏻
Fantastic idea
So basically, you are the spark that lit the Blue Note Tone Poet inferno.
"Take that, Fremer!" 👽✌️"Na-nu!"
My money's on a mono/Stereo 2 discs like My Favorite Things
yup
That was my guess too!
It’s going to actually come with a model train
Hi Mike, thanks for your super cool videos BTW. In my opinion it might be much simpler about BN Coltrane future release : they just prepare a large batch of records to be released worldwide at the same time (or approx same time). This is a famous album and they probably have learnt from Chet Baker sings, when it was sold out very quickly. Don Was's Instagram video seems to show a regular BN TP record, nothing more, nothing less... Julien (paris, France)
Maybe it includes a second disc of newly discovered outtakes or alternate versions.
According to the center label on Don Was video, this is going to be mono version
It’s interesting Mike you talking about Blue Note doing a One Step record. These would most likely come from the original master tapes and cut to lacquer from those I would think. It would be interesting to hear if we would be able to notice a difference. Moanin’ would be amazing
Joe Harley said in the video with Michael 45 rpm that it will not be SRX.
In all fairness, I haven't done the same chick twice most of the time so I can relate
I'd happily (re-)buy all the Classics in Tone Poet format, though, I am not a huge fan of the bulky gatefold sleeves. Just give me the best quality pressing in a faithful reproduction of the original sleeve (a la Speakers Corner, no barcodes printed on the sleeve!). Maybe BN are finally going to put out a third Blue Note Review box and slide Blue Train into that?
I love the beautiful gatefolds!
People on the Instagram post are saying it’s a Mono label in the clip.
My Blue Train SACD has all 7 trcks completed at the recording session. Perhaps they will release all seven of these tracks.
Definitely wouldn’t mind these mono releases, but mono is not for me personally. Yes, some mono recordings are very good, but I always choose stereo over mono, if available. Mono simply doesn’t have that sound stage most good stereo recordings do. I already have MM mono Blue Train and would love a AAA stereo version myself. Regardless, many good developments in the world of vinyl currently.
Like someone said earlier, my guess also is a Stereo, Mono 2LP set
Have you heard any word on when (assuming they're even going to) they are going to repress Grant Green's Nigeria? That one has been out of print for a good long time, and I can't bring myself to pay the horrific aftermarket prices on it.
I got the info that Grant Green's Nigeria is in repress at this moment. Expected for sale again in the near future. A while ago I also got info from that same source that Chick Corea - Now He Sings, Now He Sobs - would be repressed again and this info was correct as it is currently back for sale.
Damn. I have the MM mono Blue Train.... was looking to get a nice stereo version. The Analogue Productions stereo 45rpm LP is prohibitively expensive on the secondhand market.
I wish they would stop putting barcodes on the jackets themselves
Be careful with those lacquers I've heard they can spontaneously turn to dust.
"pile of dust"^
BLUE NOTE CLASSIC SERIES: I kinda get the point of not making premium gatefold sleeves, since MM did it. But why go with the lower end of the spectrum, with flimsy stuff? Isn’t there a middle ground? Non gatefold, but nice enough cardboard/print? The CLASSIC SERIES quality of vinyl and quality of jacket are incoherent, a mismatch. Charge 1 or 2 $ more and print jackets that pay tribute to the BLUE NOTE artwork and brand. Simples.
Don Was said in one of the interviews when asked the very same question that the direction of the Classic series is to have top of the line medium (analogue sourced vinyl) packaged in the affordable packaging (thin matte cardboard sleeve) to appease the general population of BN jazz buyers and collectors, this is unlikely to change anytime soon, if ever. The issue he had with it was that if they went with higher grade, glossy slip pockets for the Classics they would come too close to 30% more expensive non-gate fold Tone Poets, and there are admittedly quite of few of them. He thus wanted to retain the clearer line of separation. But you never know… just look at the move they made from BN75 to BN80 series after the collectors demanded more authentic (analogue instead of DSD hi res digital) sources of those pressings. That was a great move by the BN and it took them a long time to do so. So yeah… I am still hopeful for better quality of the Classics packaging but unless TP lifts its game (how and what exactly?) and moves into higher price bracket, not much will change IMO.
Cool. I don't have any copy of Blue Train.
In an interview this week, Kevin Gray said there would be an album of unreleased material included in the Blue Train Tone Poet. What I don't know is does that mean alternative / acoustic versions of the actual songs or does it mean material we've never heard before in any iteration? I certainly would prefer the latter.
I have various incarnations of BN discs, OG mono, Liberty, two-fears, Mosaic sets, and I am still all in on Tone Poets.
I wish they reissued the Diskunions.. the package was the best one and more faithful to the originals
I started collecting Jazz cause of the Tone Poet I love the whole series I have collected a lot of them at the time they were the same price as the Classic series is now but I prefer the Tone Poet over the classic series I like the gatefold the cracking of the spine the pictures. The Tone Poets have held up in the price department and some have really gone way up in price I hope they don't do a boxset it will probably be out of my price range but maybe they have a live set that John Coltrane did of Blue Train I just wish he was alive to see how much people really love his music.
In a way I kind of hope it is a mono release as I won't have to buy it. I already own the Classic Records mono release.
Being a big fan and collector of the the Tone Poet and 80th/Classic series I am excited to get a copy of this Coltrane title! Perhaps they will release this as a double LP set with both a mono and stereo version.
That would be my preference.
I have an original pressing, A Classic Records mono 200 gram, A Music Matters Blue vinyl pressing and a Music Matters Black vinyl pressing. Do I really need a Tone Poet? Hell YES!!!!!
I’d be interested to see how Blue Note would handle a special compound record, now that you mention it. I’d think I would prefer that over a boxed set for this title (although I’m in for whatever they have up their sleeves at this point!).
So if you’re new to Jazz, with Blue Note, you pay more for second rate (albeit still great) albums packed in premium jackets, and less for first rate records (greater) packed in flimsy jackets. Makes no sense!
Possibly could it be a mono and stereo box set?
this seems likely to me
If you look at the video Don Was posted, you can see it's not a box set.
One Step version?
Could the “special” thing be that it’s cut at 45rpm? And I agree they should do some mono versions,. Love the sound of a perfectly mastered mono record, they have these layers to them. Some sound like it could be stereo, the Duke Ellington - Masterpieces 45rpm as a example.
Did you say lacquers?
Maybe it will be a 2LP Stereo and Mono 🤔
Haha! What if the "special" is a 7 inch!
Great I can replace my Blue DOL Copy
EXACTLY !!!
Noone should buy and support DOL records imo :)
@@nicolasdoriaadethansen2259 most people don't have a choice if they want it on vinyl--DOL, Waxtime et cetera it doesn't matter--I blame the record labels, corporations & global media conglomerates for not keeping their albums in print...
I bought almost all the "disk union" Blue Note mono series. They were $49 at the time, i got laughed off the SHF for saying they were great value, and people would regret passing on them.
Wow, $49 back then was an expensive Lp.
those sound decent but they were cut from digital.
Yeaa!! I am really stocked after watching the Don Was snippet! Nothing wrong for me if it is ‘just a tone poet version’ 😁.
I honestly wish they would just do the original Blue Train program (again) as a TP with no bells or whistles. I also wish BN would reissue all the MM titles as TPs to combat the absurd second-hand prices (I guess they can't reissue them as MM cuz the license is expired and perhaps MM is kinda done), also maybe just use the MM metal...? And I agree, I believe there is a market for all this BN stuff to be reissued in mono here in the US
not just the US...
The music matters blue train is mono. I’d love to get it in stereo.
Same. Already have the MM mono version. I think the MM 45rpm version was stereo.
@@danijelsan81 if I’m not mistaken, music matters didn’t do a 45 of blue train. You might be thinking of analogue productions. It gets confusing.
@@bradleykay you may very well be right
I will absolutely be picking this up. It’s time for me to finally invest in a mono cart.
Also - I want to absolutely get all the classic AAA titles in Tone Poet style.
I have the 33rpm MM and 45 AP of Blue Train and 3 CD copies. I'll be passing on the Tone Poet. I think it's great this iconic title is getting the Tone Poet treatment. I think Joe knows this is what the fans want.
Even when Rudy was recording to a stereo machine he was continuously monitoring the mono “foldown”.
Nice Mike....I the Blue Trane in Mono when it was reissued by Classic Records and King pressing from Japan....it would be great if Blue Note would issue that record in Supervinyl, that would be something special....let's see....Ed in New York 😎🌃🎶🎵🎷
If the mono releases are just fold downs of the stereo mix then I wouldn't go near them. They're pointless in my eyes. But like you've stated, some collector's want all variations so it makes sense to release them. A mono box set would be a huge seller. It's incredible how so many companies are leaving money on the table.
After watching the Don Was post like it was the Zapruder film, I suspect this will simply be a mono Tone Poet, at the same price-point of the label’s other releases. They’re not going to put out a 45 or a box set or some new vinyl formulation. It will be their best swing at replicating the sound of the 2014 MM mono. And the SRX will remain the elusive gold standard.
Something special, $$$$$$$, 😂
More mono jazz would be a godsend, especially artists like Coltrane --a (mono) Love Supreme would be much appreciated!
It was originally released in stereo.
Amen to Love Supreme in mono. I’ve been chasing that for years. I’m just going to have to kick down the cash one day.
Trying to work out if there's a second disc in the gatefold? If there were unreleased Coltrane BN sessions that would count as cool!
I agree with you and I z luv Mono pressings. Bluenote and Harley have to realize that not everyone was able to get the Music Matters, either due to availability or price, so re releasing them again as Tone Poests make since. Some of the Bluenote tittles on Music Matters have not been re released in decades, so they are over do and some of us are clamoring over some of the titles that Music Matters had, that are no longer available.
I agree with mono pressings in special jackets. I will buy two copies of the John Coltrane. I have a mono New York label of it in decent condition. People are spending ridiculous amounts of money on vinyl these days, heck look at Record Store Day, if people have money, give the people what they want!!!
I’m a mega trane fan but I’ve got enough “special” releases.
Around the Blue Note 75th, I recall the word being the tapes had been digitized and the analog masters would no longer be available for future releases. If so, we have Joe Harley to thank for influencing Don Was otherwise and for proving through the success of the Tone Poets that analog mastering still matters.
Maybe 45 rpm records
My best bet is there will be a mono and stereo disc. Also, I am the buyer you were talking about! I want every title as tone poet, the classics are great, but give me the option for the whole enchilada and I’ll buy it in droves!
Agree 💯 % with Blue Note doing their own One Steps.
Agree with your thoughts. I have often wondered why BN does not do Tone Poet 45s the way Music Matters and Analogue Productions have done in the past. Perhaps BN is waiting for the MM contract to expire before they jump in and do a few BN 45s. Quite a few to choose from. Blue Train, Moanin', A Caddy for Daddy, etc. Could also see them doing both 33s and 45s.
The Tone Poets and the Classic Series are both phenomenal and terrific gateway drugs for launching a high quality jazz habit! Blue Train will be huge. No idea what the special treatment might be, except that perhaps they're pressing 40,000 of them when they might otherwise do 15,000. Obviously there's numbers are hypothetical but, just saying, it might just be a huge uptick in the amount that they produce.
PS-I actually like the single sleeve of the Classic series, and I don't need every album in my collection to be the equivalent of two and a half albums worth of space, for one LP, and like 34 minutes of music.
Mono only appeals to me for albums made in the mono era, but if that's authentic, then that's what I want.
Look at My Favorite Things - Mono and Stereo and they found non damaged tapes after ERC release
Now Coltrane Atlantic mono box is complete!
Sounds great - only $30
49 Euros in Europe...
@@lucalone really dont get these insane price differences, we basically pay double in europe. surely can't only be shipping/customs/VAT or? and as mike mentioned, getting AP, MoFi and that kind of stuff in europe is the next rip off
@@ActionCutter MoFi's are pressed in the USA so you have to import them, but that Coltrane 2 lp set of my favorite things is pressed in Germany and it's much cheaper in the USA than in Germany !
Like the Chewbacca defense IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE !!!
Hi Mike, I saw a few stalls in Den Bosch that were selling MOFIs (outside your stall). I remember a number of Dylans and others...but as you say no Analogue Productions titles and no Speakers Corners either. Which is strange because this is German.
Also here in Belgium in the local shops you will find Tone Poets, Blue Notes and in 1 shop even some MOFI's or Analogue Productions titles (new, not second-hand), but again no Speakers Corners.
About the Blue Train, I'm guessing the mono edition with some extras (outtakes or other versions?) Because they will do something special
Yes, more mono would be nice - Tone Poet or otherwise affordable.
...and not 45 rpm, 33!
I've got the 2008 AAA Blue Note reissue (which also came with a CD) and it sounds great, but I would definitely buy a Tone Poet, especially if it was mono.
Hi Mike,
If it is a special edition then perhaps KG is Mastering this using the stereo cut at 33 which was never done by MM. Or release both versions as a box set
I think it will be a mono and stereo like “My Favorite Things”
I'd love to have some of the top titles on a higher quality vinyl formula and readily available.
If they are continuing Blue Note Review, that limited run direct issue annual box set subscription, there's a good chance they are putting it there.
Yep - I'm new to jazz and getting good editions of this stuff is hard and expensive. The demand is there and they should DEFINITELY duplicate things they have done in the past.
I'm fairly new to the jazz genre, and I definitely would love to have a premium version of those titles! There's a lot of us "new guy's " out there that are dying to get our hands on premium versions of these things!
Just traded some titles at my local record shop for a sealed copy of this album..waiting on my new cartridge for a healthy dose of this masterpiece
Who tf wants a fold down?
It would be nice to see the music matters sleeve with both mono and stereo
I have heard from a reliable source they will do a mono cut with a rearranged track order. It won't start off with the iconic title track.
Zooming in on the label from the video the first side looks the same as always
Officially, I'm the first one!
I have the MM33s and I have no problem if the TP series repeated the titles. What BN needs to do is stop pressing the Classic series at Optimal, too many problems with non-fill and noisy vinyl. I've returned so many copies trying to get good ones - it's ridiculous. I have A/Bed Idle Moments and the Classic sounds like crap compared to the MM. I hope there is a day when all of the BN catalog is always in print!
first world problems man dont lose sleep over this bs
Sorry I did a thumbs down on subscriber only chat.
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