Imagine being born just to fulfill someone else's character arc. Like, you were just made to be something that someone must overcome and once they do, you are discarded.
In some ways that is pretty much how a lot of side characters and villains are. Their purpose within the story is tom serve as part of someone else's story, to further their arc.
Maria’s final transformation explains everything about her role. She’s not just a tragic figure born for James to overcome-by the end, she’s actively resisting her fate. That monstrous form in the final confrontation? It’s her way of saying, “I’m not going quietly.” She’s refusing to be discarded like the rest of James’ manifestations, turning into something far more sinister. It’s her last-ditch attempt to control her existence, even if it means becoming the monster to do it.
There's a commonly hated romance trope, where a character has no personality beyond being a love interest for someone else. Maria is what would happen if that was literally true of somebody, and they were self-aware of it. And it's horrifying.
It's also what James wants Mary to be. Seductive and trying. Basically Maria is a manifestation of James' sexual frustration. She is literally what James wants Mary to be.
i think its powerful that the harder maria tries to save herself, the more the audience dehumanizes her. this is a story told from james’ perspective, after all
Look up the Maria spin off from the original Silent Hill 2. It shows her time in Silent Hill leading up to her meeting James. The game ends with Maria running off into the fog to 'find something'.
I mean, in the end, she isn’t human. She’s a product of the town created to tempt James and punish him for what he did to Mary and everyone that understands the game knows that. So.. what kind of reaction do you expect people to have? She’s sympathetic, yeah, but people see the character for what she is. And embracing her as a “human” doesn’t work, because the ending where you do is horrible for everyone involved, but especially her. Imo, the Maria ending seems more like her punishment than James’ for succeeding in doing what the town created her to do.
5:13 Seeing as Mary and Laura met in the same hospital and Mary wanted to adopt her it makes sense that Maria, being a younger, healthier, supposedly "ideal" version of Mary Silent Hill created to get James to face up to killing her would have those maternal feelings towards Laura too.
Maria looks like the healthy Mary that James remembers from 3 years prior, since when he enters the town with Mary’s body in the trunk he doesn’t remember the past 3 years. In Born from a Wish, Maria was created as a manifestation, as soon as James entered the town and Maria had Mary’s memories subconsciously. Just like with Pyramid head being shaped by James from the painting in the Historical Museum. Maria was shaped using a poster for a dancer named Maria. She is a dancer in Heavens Knight, which is the club you visit with Maria. So while there are a lot of similarities between the Maria’s, the real Maria didn’t look like Mary. This is mostly stuff that isn’t really clear unless you find the hidden information in Silent Hill 3 and 4.
There's a theory that's been circling around since the original game's release; it claims that Maria is actually the woman from the legend Maria tells, the Lady of the Lake she's called, somehow reborn, whether by James, the town itself or maybe both. While it's never confirmed, if this theory is true, this makes Maria story even more tragic, she suffered a tragic fate during her living, than she's reborn for a purpose she hates and has a delusion that she could escape Silent Hill with James. But each attempt fails due the town killing her, and once James accepts the truth, her exit gets closed, her way out has been sealed, leaving her once again trapped in Silent Hill forever alone. And even if she succeeds, her second chance will only lead to misery. No matter the ending Maria will never get a happy ever after.
I like this theory. Treating it charitably it could be more of a standard wise woman / witch spirit that only aims to teach a lesson to the passerby, acting like a mirror to ones own "soul" and simply acting that way. James was not really responsible thus didn't have any hell to go through / be punished for beyond his own self harming behaviours which when out of the way he comes to terms with his reality outside of silent hill. Theres a reason 2 seems to be the drop off point for the series in general and it was the epitome of what silent hill the concept seemed to be. A hell of reflection and discarding of things in ones life that did not suit them or others. Other games took a more Jigsaw approach damning the guilty parties to a hell of their own making / just desserts. Without a real moral to the story or overarching lesson or theme they began to rely on the story of 2 as an example and kinda fell off. Hard to beat perfection I suppose 🧐
The towns spiritual forces do keep people trapped there in perpetuity. It is canon that Lisa Garland is alive and under heavy torture in the Otherworld. I've never heard that theory but its actually really good.
Just finishing for the first time this weekend, I speculated to a friend that if the In Water ending is canon then I feel there's an argument to be made that James and Mary are reincarnation of the tragic lovers from the island tell. Latching onto her interpretation that the events of the game occur simultaneously alongside other playthroughs, like the OG and remake are happening at the same time but in parallel universes to explain why characters make haunting references to things they've done or experienced in the OG, then it could be that James and Mary are destined to repeat a cycle of tragic love trading off who dies. In the island story it's the exiled woman whose lover drowns during a storm; in the present it's the woman who becomes sick and dies before the man. Then they repeat the cycle each time.
@@zenmindgamer well even that is a romantic trope. Tragic love like that of romeo and juliet has often inspired grisly ends to lovers life stories. Some even seek it out. It's not quite as 'supernatural' as you may think. The positives too. Lovers peak is a globally used name for scenic overlooks where lovers meet as well as other 'rituals' for want of a better word. We all try reproduce the perfect romantic gestures and whole cultures form around it. Even modern "lovers only" or "couples only" businesses exist where ONLY couples may attend. Mad to think of really 😄
I'd say she's a pretty tragic character. In "born from a wish", we could see that she's a very real woman who has autonomy, is very self aware, and even values her life. Unfortunately over the course of the main game she slowly loses her autonomy and consciousness to the malevolent forces of Silent Hill. This being the most evident in the prison cell scene. Theres the possibility that during a small section of that scene, the one talking to james was neither Mary nor Maria but the evil forces of Silent Hill. Talking to him, thru Maria. At the end of Born From A Wish, she has a hard time accepting what she is and is ready to do a terrible choice (but doesnt). One line at the end of the remake that really stood out to me was when she said to james "i can't let you go... I Can't!". This line felt like it carried alot of weight to her. This implies that she reluctantly accepts what she is and is terrified of what will happen next if she lets james go (the permanent end of her). Interesting how she was ready to unalive herself in the beginning but terrified of her life ending at the end. Kind of an interesting twist to a line in the original game's manual. "Some Fear Death, Others pray for it". Both apply to her.
Honestly I always found silent hill "motives" to test people legitimate... but for Maria, I find it so cruel, instead of spawning creatures, silent hill did create a sentient being... She wasn't evil, she was just human, she wanted to have her life as Maria not Mary... Until she became just a creature in the end. What is bad in this game (the og included) to me was the fact that she couldn't choose herself when everybody had the chance, at some point, to overcome their traumas, she would either be a replacement to punish James or a nemesis so he can find catharsis... She never had the chance to choose, her path or her ending.
She isn't human though. She is a manifestation of James' memories of Mary and his dark desires. In Silent Hill 3 there's a poster of a dark haired woman named Lady Maria found in Heaven's Night. Hinting at the fact that James visited Heaven's Night and saw her "act". Probably wishing Mary was more like her. The bobblehead nurses are representative of his repressed sexual desires and so is Maria. In Maria's ending she coughs and in Brookhaven too, plus there are bottles of pills by her bed indicating she is ill, possibly having the same disease that Mary had. It doesn't help that she is never seen with Eddie or Laura. She could very well be a hallucination of James' guilty conscious.
James is one of those perfect protagonists who is both a tragic victim of his own guilt and selfish perpetuating his own hell outside and inside silent hill. In 2 more than any other this internal struggle is most pronounced, to the point it almost feels like silent hill pitied James. He was given the most options to opt out and or overcome his personal hell, was taunted not by overly hellish designs but very human and understandable fears and inner conflicts. In essence silent hill was about saving James not punishing him. He was punished enough by life and by himself and silent hill used "maria" to help him. Maybe not redeem him but at least get him to a place where he could accept his loss and move on with life. Truly a masterpiece of a story.
I think her autonomy was always fake, she is a creation of the town, a representation akin to todays ai. She was programed to be somebody, and was never actually born or learned by herself. I think the video is a little biased toward her.
I think the best way to explain the existence of Maria is as being similar to pyramid head: pyramid head is James' torturer and exists to harm him physically, Maria is a torture instrument made to torture him mentally. I doubt its coincidence that she gets killed repeatedly infront of James, the town made her to have James watch as his wife dies again and again and hes powerless to save her. The final battle is the town's last torture, to have James kill his wife again. Going along with the idea that she has a role to fill, she starts coughing exactly as they reach the car, Maria will play Mary's role and make James suffer by losing his wife again: she'll get sick again, she'll suffer as he watches hopelessly and he'll kill her again. Maria is a turture device designed perfectly for James
In alternate hospital if we check on her we find lots of empty bottles, James then says "Is Maria sick now too?". It's an optional scene, but it hints that Maria was sick probably from the very start, it didn't started when they approached car.
@@fakt7814 I wouldn't say she was sick. It's a clue of her purpose. The medication indicates that James will always be powerless to help his wife. It's another torture if he falls for her and fails to overcome and accept his actions and guilt. If he fails to overcome and just leaves with Maria. He is doomed to repeat his actions again.
No joke. It seems like a joke ending at first. But in the remake they actually have a lot of weird specific dark lore around the town if you look closely enough, hinting at the possibility that the dog is actually one of the old gods in disguise. In the pet store when you get the first key part there's a note that states " we found it around Katz street. We should never have brought it here. It's looking at me right now. It won't leave. It won't stop looking. Don't look it in the eyes. No matter what you do, don't look at it in the eyes." And at the end James looks it in the eyes.
@@RaymondMichaelBarrerathat’s pretty neat, i love how the remake has opened up a bunch of questions but never answers many of them much like the original
@@pupatart750 I’m not sure what you mean. Within the game itself most of the big questions related to the story at hand are all pretty well answered on subsequent playthroughs. The devs have also been very open throughout the years about what their intentions were. What means what symbolically. And even which ending is canon. That’s the great thing about silent hill is the answers are all there but at first or maybe even second glance you likely won’t pick up on them.
I think it's worthy of note that the scene of Maria and James reuniting in the nightmare is the first time that the "damsel" act fails. Whether she's being genuine or not in that moment, she pushes too hard and James kind of sees it and pulls away.
I think a decision was made to exclude it and use Maria as a stand in for silent hill directly interrogating James and testing him along the way. Otherwise its left feeling like Maria didn't deserve it when in reality she was just a narrative tool / spirit used to convey the story. You could argue she was always just a lost spirit at the graveyard alone and attached to James through their mutual longing and loneliness and then silent hill takes hold of her to test James.
Me too but I am glad it wasn’t added now, I think works better as post release DLC since it makes you look at things differently. Much like shadow of the Eard tree
@@LuigiGamesful no need for it when the character got fixed then glad u agree. Without the confusing back story it. .ahh theres an interplay still between the original and the remake. People kinda know her story and part already so it doesn't need fixing with a DLC if ya get me
I'm glad you touched upon Maria as a character in this way. I was thinking the exact same thing in the past few days - how tragic her character actually is. And I also thought that Maria did get killed and reborn each and single time, and each reincarnation was a bit more twisted than the previous one simply because James himself grown more and more conflicted throughout the story. And then the ending, where she says she can't let him go, tells me she is on the defensive - she realized she was going to die if James left or she was going to die being physically killed by him. She decided to go fighting. And James killed two women that wanted him in a span of a few days. What a hero.
Maria isn't a tragic person, seeing as she was tasked to "kill" James when she manifested in the town with a revolver and was given by the order from the old gods (Ernest Baldwin, the person that gave orders to Maria) to punish James, which was expanded on the DLC "Born from a Wish". She is there to make sure James gets punished one way or another, hence her seductive attempts at James to to sway him from his redemption (leading to the Maria Ending). She does not exist to being with as she is a vessel of Mary's memories and the ideal desires of an widowed man, and only manifested in the town for James to wallow into his demise.
@@joseftangpuz2050 Well, that's the surface level interpretation that has been around since the original. I always felt it was overly simplified and lacked subtlety. The new additions they made to Maria as a character in the remake certainly pain a much more complex picture of her, which is what this video here is trying to get at.
@@Snakiest I agree. This is a very artistic story with a lot of depth and nuance to it-- that interpretation of her is incredibly surface level and unfaithful to the layers SH2 truly has. Maria is not evil. She is antagonistic, sure, but genuinely *this* feels like the true interpretation of her. She's just as trapped and vulnerable as James is, and even more innocent because she is a manifestation of what he wants, and the shadow of a woman that suffered a terrible disease and was killed by her only possible protector. It's a confusing existence to be stuck in. In the Maria ending, not only does she suffer from someone else's fate, she's also still being used as a tool to punish James in spite of "winning" the autonomy she strove for. Being a tool to torment him as well as a layered and complex conscious that the town manifested can both be true.
I agree with this video. It's why Born From A Wish matters. She's not just a hallucination, or a monster. She an independent person who operates outside of James, that's doomed to play a role. Which is to tempt James and punish him with her constant deaths. And there's no way out unless she seduces James.
You're not quite there, first part is true... Second part, I think this shows who thought of her as a "Mary clone", because then they're more likely to explain what she wants and why she does what she does correctly.
Even if she seduces James, there’s still no way out for her. She’s doomed to die of the disease that would have killed Mary, or be killed by James like Mary was.
I always felt Maria was created by the town to imitate a healthier, less inhibited Mary. Something to entice, and tempt James. Another test by the town to mess with Jame's resolve. In further contact with James, Maria begins to become a person all her own. As for Pyramid Head's relationship with her, maybe he sees her as an obstacle in the way of James seeing the truth. Or maybe he just kills her because that's his purpose. After all, he attacks other monsters too. Near the end of the story, Maria seems to genuinely care for James, but jealously tries to keep him for herself when James realized she wasn't real. All of which may explain why Maria tries to kill James in the end. So many questions. The guessing is half the fun. I hope we never get the answers. Let us all speculate.
It’s my theory that Maria is born from Mary’s wishes, not James. As that seems to be the entire plot for the game. This is why Maria cares for Laura, and she herself can’t even determine why. I also think Maria’s personality, and appearances are ideal versions of herself she believes James always wanted from her. But even this seems to be untrue since James is pretty indifferent to Maria despite those very changes. Maria’s existence isn’t decided entirely by James choices, she doesn’t just cease to exist like Pyramid Head and the rest of James manifestations because I believe she’s created by Mary as a tool to help James reconcile his feelings for Mary and the harsh reality of his choices. Maria inherits Mary’s memories and thoughts that not even James himself is aware of. In one version of the boss it’s not even Maria, it’s Mary confronting James for falling for Maria, confirming her fears and insecurities. Nonetheless it’s implied that Maria is her own person with her own will where she’s warned to stay away from him, and seemingly given the same opportunity to make the healthy decision to leave Silent Hill and James or return to him and face her fate. Maria chooses James in the same way James can choose Maria. Maria seems like a manifestation of Maria’s unfinished life and desires, including helping James, that can either help James find redemption or condemn him.
A good interpretation, but nonetheless incorrect if you have touched upon the original and the DLC "Born from a Wish" and even ito had to confirm this to an extent. Maria and her seductive nature is definitely a manifestation of James' ideal woman in Mary, something Mary would never have at those 3 years that she was in bed, terminally ill. Within those three years you would know that Mary met Laura and most definitely doted on her as a daughter she could never had. Those qualities that Mary had (the motherly love for Laura) along with the ideal qualities James want from Mary (the seductive, healthy minx of a time when Mary was still healthy and young) created Maria from the old gods (Ernest Baldwin whom we would never see in the DLC, but communicates with Maria after her assension to existence, holding a revolver gun) for the purpose to test James' mettle and ultimately "kill him" if he denies his punishment for killing Mary. She is unique person with unique personality, but at the same time a hollow vessel containing the personality of a dead wife and a ideal desires of a widowed husband. This would ultimately explains why she goes seducing James upon their first visit in the foyer, her motherly qualities she unexpectedly have to care for Laura, and the creepy vibes she had when she could recall Mary's memories upon James' visit to the room where Maria sat with metal bars in front of her. Seeing as this town embellishes on the manifestations of one's psyche and ego, as you would see in Angela's version of silent hill (flesh, protruding piston walls in abstract daddy room and the fiery walls James comes to see later on); the deterioration of Lakeview Hotel upon James' realization that he killed Mary; Laura's version of silent hill as peaceful, quiet with no monsters roaming around suggest that these are manifestations of those who came to Silent Hill from a unprecedented force that compelled them to come to Silent Hill. It would be impossible for Mary to manifest Maria since Mary died already in James' hands and her body being shoved in the trunk of James' car.
Also to add upon the Maria ending where James denies his guilt and the boss manifests Mary instead of Maria, in this version he was compelled to say "that's not Mary, Mary is long gone" conversation prompting him to seal his fate and damned to repeat his hell forever since at the end, Maria started coughing indicating that Maria will eventually suffer the same fate Mary did, and this time it would be James' fault. Maria isn't there to help James move on or reconcile with his guilt. She is there to make sure he dies in some shape or form, self inflicted or not if he fails to confront his crime and punishment. In fact you'd notice that in Maria ending (or any ending aside from Leave ending), Laura is nowhere to be seen after the final boss, or that Maria can't see Laura despite worrying about her earlier stages of the game. Seeing as Laura is the symbolic nature of innocence, Maria can't see Laura (since Maria does not exist to begin with), Eddie couldn't see Laura after affirming himself "***ing a person ain't no big deal" comment, and James couldn't see Laura anymore after viewing the video tape in Lakeview Hotel until he was forgiven by Mary at the end. A little factoid but yeh.
Also a little factoid about the red 🟥 you see as save files in the game. In the original before the two pyramid head fight, you would see 9 squares organized 3 by 3 matrix. This symbolizes James' manifestations, enemies you see from the beginning to the end of the game, including The Mandarin (a derivative of flesh lips from Heather Mason's monsters), Pyramid Head (James' manifestation to self punish for his crime and sins) and Abstract Daddy (Angela's trauma). Of the nine squares Maria is the last 🟥 , indicating that Maria indeed is one of manifestation of James' psyche. This would explain the comment he made at the beginning when you visit the well with a 🟥, making a comment about how this square is "...burrowing onto his head" to paraphrase. Here are the nine enemies symbolizing all 9 red 🟥: Lying figure (first encounter mob), mannequin (first encounter when you pick up the flashlight) bubble head nurse, the Manadrin, Pyramid Head, Creeper (those bugs), flesh lips (mini boss, ones that are hanging on the ceilling when Laura locked you out), Abstract daddy and Maria/Mary (last boss). All signify James' manifestation with different meanings and interpretation of each enemy.
@@joseftangpuz2050 You failed to point out how the DLC proves anything, or why or how James would want Maria to be motherly or nurturing when he himself had no idea who Laura was, or any of Mary's plans to adopt her. Those are things that only Mary knew, and yet somehow Maria also shared similar feelings for Laura. Secondly, nothing supports this idea that James cared for the seductive nature of Maria, in fact the game continuously implies the opposite, with james repeatedly leaving her and rebuffing every come-on she attempts. These don't seem like qualities James cares about, they seem like qualities Mary felt he wanted. She even says as much in the original game, commenting on how ugly she was and how no one could ever love someone so hideous, and then Maria appears, this ideal, sexy version of her, with all of her ideal qualities, even the ones James had no knowledge of. The DLC actually deals in reincarnation in fact, which also supports my theory. It implies that Ernest acknowledges Maria as Mary's incarnation, and wonders if the same thing could be used to bring back his own daughter. If Maria were a soulless husk, I doubt Ernest would have been inspired to attempt the ritual himself. He incited Maria to help him inact this ritual, stating that the gods were there. Mary being dead wouldn't stop Silent Hill from summoning, or using her, in fact its heavily implied that Ernest himself is a ghost, we really have no way of knowing what the limitations of Silent Hill are. Even the movie deals with the dead city folk in the mist realm. We really cannot say what is, or isn't impossible, nothing about SIlent Hill is ever discussed in factual terms.
Maria and Pyramid Head are two sides of the same ugly coin. One born to be a victim that wants to live one born to be a killer that wants to die. Both are needed to help James out of his, malaise.
That is probably the most compelling and brilliant take I’ve heard on the dynamic between Maria and Pyramid head, summed up in a couple sentences. Damn.
I kinda thought it would be a separate mode with the base game, but I’m not really opposed to Bloober makin’ it DLC. I just personally don’t like to return to games after I’ve moved on to another game…
Thanks for this. I always felt awful for her + most analyses I’ve seen paint her as manipulative and that’s kind of it. But, I know manipulative people and when you see through their tactics, there’s always this profound loneliness underneath.
Always wished that there was another secret joke ending where Maria and Pyramid-Head watch James leave Silent Hill and, with their purposes seemingly fulfilled, put their differences aside, fall in love and have a beautiful wedding. All the other monsters are invited and the scene fades out to the song “Monster Mash”
I actually love that idea. It'd probably be a joke ending (mostly with the idea of Pyramid Head being a nervous groom at the altar), but it would be such a sweet ending for them.
The genius of SH2 was always figuring out the real villain isn't what seems obvious. It was never Pyramid Head. It was never Maria. It was always James. Back as a 90;s teen I can still remember how that stuck with me and how for the first time I felt disgusted by a character I was playing as.
@@SoundsFromBeyond how tf James is antihero? Antihero does bad things to help people. Everything what James did was to satisfy his ego. You think he unalived Mary because she wanted to d i e? No. It's because he decided that she needs to d i e.
@@alesthra You can say killed, it's just a word. Not sure if you played either the remake or the original but James confessed that it was easier on him to end her suffering so that he would stop feeling obligated to care for her. He resented her for "stealing parts of his life". That's a pretty obvious indicator that he's selfish; you wouldn't murder someone you cared about just so you can live easier. That may not make him an anti-hero in the traditional sense, but he's not a hero.
6:00 the fact that people are simping for a literal butcher and the manifestation of James own self torment, and calling Maria a gold digging harlet, for lack of better words, is absolutely funny to me. Both of their purpose is to make James psyche spiral out of control faster. Both are forms of punishement. Pyramid head is physical torment while Maria is psychological. It's no coincidence that she looks exactly like Marry, only a sluttier version of her
I guess it's rooted in misogyny. It's an easy word to use, but here it's applicable precisely because people praise a literal monster who butchers people, but berate a woman for being "slutty".
excellent video. i gotta say, this discourse hits harder while I'm in the midst of being forced to act as sole caretaker to my dad, who is at this point bedbound, dying of cancer, and with increasingly frequent confusion and emotional outlashing from dementia. I love him of course, I would never harm him like James eventually does, but having to take care of someone as they break down more and more and more (and at the same time, raising my own young children) is really soul-crushing, for everyone involved. It's also not helped that theoretically our government has social services in place to help with taking care of aging parents, but the "means testing" makes it impossible to obtain--because my mom started a life insurance policy forty years ago that is now at 60k (After four decades of paying into it every month), the government considers that an "asset" that we have to spend entirely on private pay before medicaid will even THINK of possibly subsidizing a memory care nursing home. Considering that they cost on average 8-12k per month, that's only five or six months of care, and then what? the money will be gone, we won't be able to afford it any longer, but getting medicaid to take over at that point is extremely unlikely for a number of reasons. Sorry that turned into a rant...tl;dr like I said, I can sympathize with James breaking down emotionally over taking care of his sick wife. It's a tragic situation, she hates being sick and hates being a burden, while he hates having to watch her break down further and further, and having to take care of her all the while (though it seems like she's at a hospital when he visits her, so he's not actually taking as intensive care of her as I currently am of my dad). Humans need to work on accepting death...sometimes "life no matter what" isn't the option, and the guilt of facing that reality can break someone so badly they find themselves transported to a world of monsters.
@54:43 so were not gonna mention mary’s actual decomposing body in the back of the car and how maria should of lost her absolute shit when realizing theres a body in the back 😅
So I can't confirm if this is in the original game, but in the remake at the very beginning in the bathroom you can see a poster of Heaven's Night and a picture of presumably Maria. This makes me think James saw this poster or another one and subconsciously made Maria from that. Which is so cool to think he probably saw that poster and thought nothing and his subconscious made a whole person and personality based on it
Ad breaks are hilarious. "What sets her on the path of self destruction? Ok, here it is..." And uber eats ad! I get it, those things can really push you over the edge Maria.
I don't think the body is there anymore, in the María ending, the final bossfight is Mary, not María, that means she got resurrected, somehow, the dead Mary is in the top of lakeview
I like to think James did go to turn himself in and subsequently was jailed for what he's done, maybe some day he'll be able to return to regular life too, if he holds on long enough
Silent Hill 2 is probably the most discussed game on the internet. The first game had a million video essays going into so many details, theories, and viewpoints. I’m proud to say that this is the first great video essay about the remake (that I’ve seen). Phenomenal job!
This is the first time I heard that people refer to Maria as evil. For real… she has always been a tragic character. In fact its James who uses her somewhat
A perfect video about Maria in the remake. You touched the greatest aspects of her character. How she was literally Born From A Wish. Hopefully we will get a DLC for her side story to learn something more about her - like why she didn't want to enter through Baldwin Mansion's main gates, because she learned there about her purpose. I would love to hear more of your videos about James, Angela, Eddie, Laura and even Mary. Or maybe one about monsters or the places in Silent Hill that James visited, would love to heat about Toluca Prison, Labyrinth and Lakeview Hotel
I feel badly for Maria. She wants to be her own person outside of James, Mary’s shadow, and Silent Hill. But she can’t and keeps getting poorly treated by James and brutally murdered by Pyramid Head and then James at the end. Coming to the realization that you’re just a creation born out of a man’s guilty psyche must be devastating. I kind of like the idea of James and Maria leaving Silent Hill together. However, it’s implied that she will die of illness like Mary did. But at least she has a little bit of a life.
See she does become less tragic if you're thinking she's the reincarnated version of Mary, trying to cheat death, be with James, and stop him from offing himself. It's the lady of the lake's story.
Not only that, but James will likely abandon her or treat her like shit once the illness rears its head, and he finds himself back in the nightmare that started his downward spiral.
It is fascinating that interpreting Maria like this makes Leave the worst ending (Mary dead, Maria dead, James leaves both behind and moves on). At the same time, the Maria ending is sort of the best ending because she gets to live a little bit longer. Mary gets the shortest end of the stick in all of the endings, even in Rebirth, in which we don't even know if she actually gets brought back or James simply ends up opening the gates of hell, serving as a prequel to the Doom series.
Why do people think that she wants to be free of James when that is the literal opposite of what her character’s motivations are? I’ve only played the original SH2, I’m guessing there are new scenes in the remake that paint her as more sympathetic?
@@StevenKirby-uq5jk There is a tiny little bit more in the remake, yes. That said, it is a pure assumption that she wants to be free. She might, but it is never even hinted at in the remake, as far as my interpretation goes. What is hinted at is that she is desperate as she comes to realize that her existence is for James and depends on James' choices.
dude, anybody who says pyramid head is a "good guy" is completly crazy... you can say that he is necessary for james development, but defntly not an angel... as said in this video, maria spent most of the game not hurting james, all that james needed to do was take maria outside with him, he didnt even have to use her to replace mary, all he needed was be nice to her and bring her with him... i find a shame that maria got her first death, i realy wish that james wasnt such an idiot and acctuly came out to try and help her, maybe she would have retained her initial personality, and would be out of there and everything would be fine to everybody...
Great analysis. And I completely agree with you on Maria. For me, she was always most tragic character in this story. We can argue that most tragic is Angela. But as much as Angela didnt deserved what have happened to her, and her life was truly tragic, there is still hope that she will find her salvation. In case of Maria though, she was born in hell, and she never had any chance to leave.
I feel like that’s what they wanted the player to get from him. He’s a very standoffish person who is unable to provide comfort to the people who need it. The total opposite of the hero from Maria’s story.
He doesn't trust her. She looks and sounds too much like Mary. She comes on strong and never lets up. James may be caught up in the mind-fog of his depression and the "spell" of the town but deep down he knows she isn't right somehow. He's not stupid. He realizes it's some sort of trick or game. She attempts to immediately latch onto him from the moment they meet. They're both adults, he doesn't know her and he's not obligated to protect her.
@@justina2225 yea, while watching a playthrough I notice he comes off that way. He's not opposed to helping others which I see as him doing what anyone agrees is morally the right thing to do. But he would rather be alone, and as you said he's not very good with comforting people.
A small detail in the hospital that was very interesting to me is that if u keep talking to Maria, she will turn and face the wall but she also moves slightly closer to the wall, leaving enough space for James to join her, like she was subtlety enticing James to lay down with her, also i loved the scene were she thanks him for checkin up on her, the little smile as if to say "im getting to him" The devs really did an amazing job and so did u with this analysis
I like your style of video essay, where you basically ask a media literacy question before showing us the scene. "What is the character trying to accomplish?" "At which point does their fate get sealed?". It's cool.
Also, I had to go back a few times to really see it. But this scene at 47:00 the subtitles say Mary at first. Then just before James calls her Maria, it her text changes to Maria as well. That was one last trick Silent Hill had for James. I didn't notice that until just right now!
The Maria version in the Silent Hill 2 remake really hit it out the park for me and i like this interpretation of her. I loved the aspect of humanizing her more with her own thoughts and feelings. Maria in the remake uses her eyes to convey her emotions and her icy blues just suck you right in as if it's a trance. During the jail scene towards the end of her dialogue "I'm here for you James.....See?.....I'm real". Now with the different direction in her tone made me wonder if she was trying to convince James of that or in actuality Maria is trying to convince herself instead that she's real. Ugh I like what they did with her, she still had the sex appeal but in a more subtle way without taking away the meaning of her character. They added more depth to her story and I really really freaking hope we get Born From A Wish.
Her classic outfit didnt take anything from her. This is just modern audience buzzword/ excuses. And she always had her own character. Play born from a wish.
In defense of Pyramid Head, or well, perhaps to just better explain his place in the story, while all monsters are born from a part of James' psyche, Pyramid Head and Maria are born from very specific parts of his mind, the strongest parts; his rage, guilt and his desire for atonement in Pyramid Head and his love, lust and memories of his wife and what he imagined their life could have been in Maria. Pyramid Head IS a guiding force as a result of what he represents, and pushes James to do what he thinks he needs to do, and so it is unfeeling, focused and always ahead of James, appearing whenever he is lost or seems to be straying off the path. Often times you don't see him, but see his presence in the path of destruction left in his wake, slaughtered monsters, paths forcibly opened, or appearing to block James from going the wrong way, ala, a guiding force, not a benevolent one, but a guide regardless. Maria, by extension of being what she is, IS a wrong way, and given that James' psyche is obviously not harmonized, the manifestations of these parts of his mind also come to blows naturally. Pyramid Head is there to make sure James faces his sins, and Maria is there to stop him, be it because that's what she was assigned to do or because she wants him to stay with her so she doesn't have to disappear. In the end Pyramid Head much like Maria follows his function; he cleans up the way so James faces his sins, this includes killing Maria as she is an obstacle and the Executioner was made to destroy obstacles. The divergence as you mentioned is at the end; with his function complete, Pyramid Head exits the story by his own hands, while Maria, having much greater cognition, willingly stays behind, refusing to be a thing to disappear.
The devs have talked pretty extensively about pyramid head and what he represents and it’s pretty much as simple as he exists ONLY to punish James because he exists ONLY because James strongly desires to be punished. No part of pyramid head is James desire to atone. Simply to be punished. But as you said because of what pyramid head is he ultimately causes James to seek atonement and ultimately decide he has suffered enough. Which is why in some endings Mary tells James point blank that he has suffered for what he did to her. And “it’s enough”
I don't think anything of Pyramid head is about personal atonement. Our introduction to the character after the brief glimpse in the hallway was it seemingly SAing a mannequin monster on the table and then killing it. It represents the darkest and most reprehensible parts of James, the violent predator. It's silent, emotionless, powerful, overtly masculine, sexual, and violent. It manifested as an external monster because James didn't want to admit it was a part of him, a part he'd already given into. Maria was the manifestation of everything he told himself he wanted Mary to be (young, healthy, beautiful, seductive, devoted, and fully obsessed with pleasing him) but he still resented Mary and still viewed Maria's neediness as an annoying burden, so that violent predator part of him wanted to hurt her just as ruthlessly and brutally as he did Mary. James hates himself but when given the choice to hurt Maria/Mary or himself, he chooses the women every time.
Maria is certainly NOT an obstacle. She is a manifestation of James' mind. The image of Mary, distorted, to lure him further into his delusion that "Mary is still alive". Her function in Silent Hill/James' subconscious is to be killed. Over and over. She returns because she is not real. She is killed to force James to relive the murder of his wife and to understand that HE is the reason Maria keeps dying, just like how he was the reason Mary died. Maria is a projection that allows him to understand what happened to Mary as an analog. That's why, at the end, with the Pyramid head duo fight, James screams more intensely during that death of Maria than any other moment in the game because he realizes what everything in Silent Hill means. He accepts that he caused Mary and Maria's deaths and he states he understands what PH's purpose is. He needed something else to punish him because his own mind forgot his crimes. Now that he understands Maria = Mary (metaphorically), Silent Hill is no longer necessary for him to heal. This video is dead wrong about her being a real or tragic person. The only real people in the game are James, Eddie, Angela, and Laura. Pyramid head is also not a motivating force. His presence only
In psychological terms, Maria is James' introject of Mary. Basically its how he imagines the best qualities of Mary. When people interact with eachother, they don't actually interact with eachother sometimes. They take a snapshot of a person- basically download everything they percieve externally about someone and that's what they interact with- its called an introject. That is why people get into arguments, because ppl's introject of eachother is not the actual person they are talking to.
This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for. Thank you very much for the time and effort you put into making it. Finished the game myself a couple of days ago, and couldn't stop thinking about it. I also got the Maria ending, which apparently is a harder one to get. To me she was a fascinating and very appealing character ever since James meets her on the pier. Her looking and sounding the same as Mary notwithstanding, it was obvious she was more (or less?) than she seemed. A lot of the deductions you made are ones I believed myself but you went a lot deeper and for that I am grateful as it helped me to understand her character better, too. It's also made me a lot sadder to think of her in retrospective. She truly is the most tragic character of the game. Designed as a part-villain, only to end up being that monster because her every attempt at being the opposite failed. One aspect that I'm still unsure of is whether the resurrected Maria in the labyrinth was a brand new "golem" with none of the memories of the Maria who dies at the hospital, or if she (and the 2 other versions you meet afterwards) are just a twisted continuation of the same character. When I first saw the scene with her in the prison cell, I thought she just turned "evil" and was gaslighting James into becoming more unhinged. Because the story would be infinitely more tragic if the 4 Marias that James meets and witnesses the deaths of were all their own individual. Either way, a great essay on your part and masterful writing on her character, as well as the voice actress who basically did 2 different-but-intertwined characters.
I really liked the actor that did mary/maria, really drew me into this experience and I loved how different they made her look between styles and even how her true to life style plays against those.
Bloober Team really surprised me with how closely they stuck to the original game and its themes. The remake's story is just as haunting and eerie, and the new VAs lean into the weird dream-like dialogue.
Surprised you glossed over Ernest Baldwin when he knew what Maria was and tried to tell her about herself and James. I thought it was an important part of understanding her character.
He had to gloss over some aspects to twist the narrative into what he's talking about. They do this quite often when ignoring the story and adding their own flavor. Bloober wanted to add Born from a Wish which would further detail how she's a figment. In the Original Born from a wish. When you examine a stiffed bear. She mentions Laura without having any knowledge of her.
@@TallicaMan1986Born from a wish shows she is not a figment. She is born from a wish but is yet independent. That was literally the whole point of it. She expresses existential angst, entirely before anything happens.
@@HeelPower200 She really doesn't have any independence. She was being drip fed by the town, The bear in the kids room as well as the maternity she felt there, the ghost behind the door explaining to her what the deal was and she was led by the town until she met James. Like she literally got to the lake a minute before james showed up. Whatever independence you think she had was for James to experience and to manipulate him. If she was under possession from the get go. James would not have let his guard down seeing as that is Mary, spitting image of his wife. He only gained her trust because she was acting human or given that ability to experience, but at the end of the day. She is a product of SIlent Hill. Which is why she died like 3 times. The evelvator she failed to get in was by design by Silent Hill.
Careful there, because just like the Madonna Whore, there's The Prince, and The Beast. James is flawed, but not in the way you think he is. He's just as much of a hopeless romantic as his partner, he has serious dependency issues, and the worst cope of perhaps all time... And all those 3 manifested in the act that resulted in bringing him to Silent Hill.
when i played SH2 originally as a kid i always saw Maria as a “test” of sorts for James. the town gave him an idealized version of his wife (seductive, healthy) and even then he failed to be kind to her much less save her.
I wonder if Maria is also born from Mary's wish as well. James brought her body to Silent Hill. The town might pick up any residual memory from there and add it to Maria.
@kkinthewheelchair3049 Mary's dead body is on the backseat of his car, covered by a blanket. He killed her a few days prior. It is speculated that the Water ending is what James originally intended to do when he drove to Silent Hill.
@memoryofsalem4474 It was not shown. You have to try to look at the backseat of James's car at the start of the game. You will see something being covered by a blanket there. This is an Easter Egg based on a tweet of Masahiro, the art director of the original game, affirming that Mary's body is on the backseat, not in the trunk of James's car.
This is the best analysis I’ve ever seen of Maria. I adored your style of looking closer at every scene she’s in, and analyzing how both she and James react to each other. I also really appreciate your perspective on Maria and Pyramid Head. It’s very easy to say that Pyramid Head is the “good” guy, and Maria is the “bad” guy, but both of them fill both roles. There’s a nuance there that it isn’t acknowledged in a lot of analyses of this game, so that was great to hear
I always viewed Maria as an extension of the Lisa Garland character and concept from the first game. Same as Team Silent took the "widowed husband who's wife died of an illness" and expanded it with a new character, they took the ambigous nature of Lisa's existence and went deeper with it for the sequel. Characters like Lisa and Maria worked narratively to show how strange and nearly limitless the power of Silent Hill is. It can essentially create life and make flesh out of memory. Really cool concepts
@@Roy-rk3qz maria was a "shadow" based on the memory of someone else. Same as Lisa. The Lisa we met wasn't "real" either, but a version of her existed before(same as Maria/Mary).
@@thefearofg0ds758 no Lisa was a real person that knew Alesa before she died. Maria is a manifestation of James’s desire created by the town. Maria is not Mary
Maria is by no means a villain. That is a misinterpretation. In Jungian terms, she is James's projection of his anima. Projection meaning that James concretizes her and assigns specific character traits to her based on his needs and desires. In this way, he can perceive her almost as a living person and therefore develop an attachment to her. This can be a problem because it does not allow the archetype to fully manifest as shown in that Maria ending. Anima can take many forms, depending on the context. But she usually serves as a guide that facilitates progress, not a hindrance. I think the remake shows this very well. Maria actually helps James though the game and shows him support . It is sad that he just ignores her like that. But that is due to his unhealthy state of mind. Back to anima. It is rather a dynamic force that can be of much help and can be understood as a guide through the, often confusing, inner landscape. This is how I understand it anyway. Don't take my word for it. I speak from personal experience, but am not a scholar. As for Silent Hill, the interesting twist here is that the psychological phenomena get materialized and have a live of their own. Where does that leave Maria? Hard to say. She has a certain level of autonomy. Again, the right approach in Jungian terms would probably be to let go of the projection, which would effectively mean giving up Maria as a person and integrate her as an archetypal force. How one should go about doing... well, that is beyond me :D 'yo, babe, let's get ya all integrated and sh.t' probably wouldn't work here. Also, shooting her in the head is probably not the best option. :D The destruction of the feminine is rather ominous and can symbolize an inner conflict with the feminine. Be it as it may, she deserves better treatment, than to be repeatedly killed by Pyramid head and ignored by James. Although you can't really kill an archetypal figure, it is a sign that there still is problem. However, this is Silent Hill, where thing get twisted. Anyway, I have written too much here. Take care, folks :D
I am baffled by gentlemen going around giving a psychological Adam and Eve explanation to Maria. Shows we never actually truly move on from biblical themes. What you're saying is problematic for the same reasons it is the bible. You've created a woman for the service of a man, who ended up becoming her own person, and that's apparently something they were both punished for. It's great that you know your Jung, but didn't it remind you just a little bit of.... the bible? And of course, the very suggestion that you want to render her less human, and more of a force is also problematic, in that its dehumanizing. You have to approach this while granting Mary/Maria the same level of autonomy and personhood you'd given Jimbo. If you're gonna think about James's headspace, motivations, and actions in light of his life circumstances, you have to be willing to give that same level of Humanization to Mary/Maria. A lot of thing would not only be clearer, but more interesting, if you're to think this is a journey they're both on. And if James's head gets scrambled by SH, why would you not think the reincarnated Mary would have a similar condition? Flip this over, make her the main character, make her Mary (Start from there), have her die, and then have her reborn in SH with a mind warped to an even larger extent than James. And analyze her as a person, from that POV, and you'll have a really good time with that one.
@@samf.s.7731 I admit that my commentary was somewhat one-sided. It's because how she is often interpreted. Come to think of it, I do not think it is very plausible due to the town's powers and how the story unfolds. She really is an independent character here, although influenced by James's psyche and cruelly manipulated by the town. As for your point about the idea of 'creating the woman for the service of men', this has nothing to do with it. It is also not about dehumanizing her, rather seeing her as something more than a human, which she obviously is. When you speak about the Bible, you are right that we may not move away from the biblical themes, simply because they are universal and keep coming back in different iterations. How we interpret them is a whole different thing. I am not going to analyse Bible here, though, since I have a very limited knowledge. As for giving Maria more autonomy, that's what Team Silent did when creating the Born from a wish scenario, showing clearly that she has personality of her own, and isn't just an illusion. Bloober has done a wonderful job expanding her character. I hope they will eventually release a remake of Born from a wish. The idea of actually making Maria a reborn version of Mary is cool. That would flip the story on its head. Anyway, thanks for your comment! I take your points, although it feels like you somewhat misinterpreted what I said.
@@vegetasbulge Can you please elaborate? Simple as what? :) And yes, we are all delusional, seeing perhaps things that are not really there. But, then what does it mean 'really there'? In the end, we can't be sure and it's about the narrative and meaning we assign to things and events.
I initially thought Maria was based on a lady James might have meet at an actual strip club. Like a lady James kept stringing along saying he’d leave his wife and that he loved her but really she was a crutch for his lust and “loneliness”.
Its one of the reasons I dont see James as truly learning anything. He supposedly finds absolution in some endings; all he has to do to reach it is murder the unsympathetic version of his wife so he can reach the version he does want to interact with. "Hi Mary I just slaughtered your clone but Im really sorry I killed you, we are good right?"
Sh2 isn't about forgiveness. Its literally about letting go. Its also a study on what caretakers have to go through and how a sickness can destroy a person from the inside.
I always took Leave as the ending where he subconsciously realized something that the player doesn’t see, and Maria as the one where he doesn’t realize anything.
I don't think he finds absolution, but he's "ready" to move on. I also think James does learn something which is coming to terms with killing his wife. He didn't admit or "learn" that until close to the end. I see Maria being what James wanted Mary to be. "Murdering" her is just the physical representation of James moving on. If he fails, he doesn't move on and, doesn't learn his lesson. He can either atone for his sins, refuse to admit what he's done, or be overtaken by grief. Also, your comment isn't about this, but because of the cult and the other world, I think Silent Hill calls out to people who have "sinned." It's not a place that guides you to salvation but to your death. So if you are willing to go through hell and "atone," then you're "free." Despite the physical state and events of silent hill, its a metaphor about trauma, battling your personal demons, and becoming your "true" self.
really good analyses, she really is an interesting character. i really like the fact that, differently from Pyramid Head, she's not just following a script. Instead, she's actively trying to figure out a path for herself. Which is very tragic, because even if she makes it, this would only trap James for more time in this repetitive cycle.
The idea that the city can create living, sentient beings is legit terrifying. For most of the time you assume It can only make this ephemeral nightmare constructs, but here in order to torture James It created something very close to a actual human so they could destroy her in front of him. That is another level of evil.
What I feel is really sad it that Maria wants to be the Lady of the Lake, lighting the way towards finding love. But that's Mary. She's the one that gives him the flashlight. The light at the other end of the lake is her, and Maria is just a shadow. It's also telling that while Maria wants to keep Laura safe and cares about her, you're never able to leave with both of them. This Shadow of Mary wants to leave her own prison so badly that she dooms both herself and James into the same Hell spiral for the small taste of freedom. I think Mary called Laura to Silent Hill because she wanted her last wish to be taking care of her. James really is that meme of all men do is eat hot chip and lie the older I get lol.
I like this! In the remake when you read that story again, it's said that the moon or another light form enticed the man who was going to the Lady. He was in a trance and ended up drowning if I remember correctly. So as you said, Mary is the Lady of the Lake, but Maria is the moon (given that, I think Maria is how James really wanted Mary to be when she got sick and he was getting tired.) Or you can switch it and say Maria is the Lady of the Lake who waits on her love (how she helped him once we meet her, and you know she is attracted to him), but Mary is the moon that "distracted" him.
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I just had a thought. Silent Hill itself has themes of Rebirth. Alessa being Reborn as Cheryl and Heather. The Rebirth ending of Silent Hill 2. Maria being killed and reborn multiple times. Her links to Mary, having her memory. It's possible that Maria IS Mary reborn through the town's power.
Absolutely. Someone also pointed out that she may have a similar situation to Lisa, where she's not really aware ... She's deceased. It's canon to the lore of the town, and the game's DLC sure emphasizes it.
and to be fair that would also be realistic since he literally brought her body to silent hill, giving the town the chance to actually revive her (I'm guessing since James had to bring her body to a certain point to resurrect her)
@@samf.s.7731 It's such a shame SIlent Hill 4 was not as good as it could have been and was not well received. It expends on the ghosts aspects of the Silent Hill universe and other things that no game after even tried.
Maria is a Tulpa, and James most powerful monster which is why the pyramid head begins to punish James by revealing the truth. Maria is not Mary, she is his ideal version of a lover and the weight of her existence keeps James from moving on
Kind of a gross oversimplification. First off Maria is absolutely not a Tulpa. Tulpas are something consciously created through ritual meditation. She IS what James THOUGHT he wanted Mary to be. Pyramid head has no goals other than to punish James. He’s not trying to reveal the truth. His actions DO end up revealing the truth but him Killing Maria only begins AFTER James begins to show fondness for Maria. Pyramid head is a manifestation of James desire for punishment for what he did to Mary. The ULTIMATE form that punishment can take for James is to lose “Mary” over and over again. Which is why pyramid head begins killing Maria , to punish James. He is not trying to reveal anything because Pyramid head is litterally just James’s feelings. Which is why when James accepts the truth Pyramid head kills itself. James desire for punishment has been killed by him moving on. Pyramid head isn’t sentient in any way. Maria is the only creation of the town with Sentience and SHE is the one who reveals the most truths. Because James begins to see that he didn’t really want a woman like Maria he just wanted Mary. Mary is a foil for James Sexual guilt and repression. Pyramid head is a foil for James’s guilt and desire to self punish. Both reveal different truths about different things in numerous ways. But Pyramid head really just punishes James until he feels he has paid enough and lets go of that feeling. Maria is more healing the part of James that hated Mary and showing him that he didn’t really want her any differently than she was
@@anthonylangley6843 James felt, and in a way he was right, that his life died when his wife contracted a terminal cancer, which is a fucking tragedy both in a game and real life. We never get to know what happened in those three years and we can make congetures that at the arrival of James at that town, it has been three days from Mary's death. We can only guess that James felt trapped taking care of a dying person, who once loved, and now is a little more than a vegetable. He could either accept it and commit seppuku by water, move on and adopt Laura or move on with his new sexy version of Mary (which she will probably die sooner than later because the "magic" of Silent Hill is what kepts her alive).
"You better do something about that cough" That was so painful to hear. We all know James is not a good person, because he killed his wife, but how can a guy that went through hell to save such wife say that?
It was moreso the cold delivery of that line that made it brutal. In the OG game, the voice actor still comes off as a bit cold (but mostly aloof). Not as menacing as the remake’s rendition of this ending.
Well if you're referencing the Maria ending, I think that's because he didn't learn his lesson and is going to continue the cyle. So essentially he never takes accountability for his actions. Of course it's also a painful yet sinister reminder of what James has done and could possibly do again.
Because James sees Maria as a replacement for Mary. I think in this ending, he starts embracing his selfish side and so, he only sees Maria as someone who exists to fulfill his desires, rather than a person who actually has feelings.
Welll..because that's a version of James who saw everything Silent Hill showed him about himself...and he proceeded go the same route as Eddie: focused entirely on himself. In other words...it's the worst version of James. You know, as opposed to the James in the Leave or In Water ending in the remake, who sounds very much apologetic for rejecting Maria.
I loved this video and felt it was spot on. I've always held pretty much your exact stance on Maria and it really irks me how people claim she's nothing more than a malevolent succubus that wants to eat James in his sleep or something, when her real purpose is so much more tragic and even harmful towards James. I think it certainly helps understanding her if you've played the original and understood Lisa's character. I have never played Born From a Wish but caught on due to being familiar with Lisa. Looking forward to your next video analysis and hopeful for a Born From a Wish DLC.
I really appreciate your game analysis videos. Started watching around GOW Ragnarok and love to see your work getting better and better. Your narrative is making me feel guided or accompanied by a some sort of a smarter friend through different games, so that I, a pretty simple person, can understand and learn from various game stories. Thanks to you I started to paying attention to the characters, themes and techniques used in games and I hope to become a Narrative Designer one day. Thank you again FatBrett and wish you all the best ❤
I think Maria is what James wishes Mary could be, and also the worst, ugliest parts of Mary that James couldn't tolerate. She's sexy, but she berates James just for minor things James says like the "Anyway" comment. It's like he can never do right, he's wrong even when he has good intentions. Just like how Mary treated him when he visited her at the hospital.
Except the part where he didn't ask her to be that way, right? I think I'd sooner blame the town, considering that James was going to off himself before the town drew him in with a nice side effect of memory supression.
I would argue that every Maria we meet shares the same memories, the same impulses, however the version of her in the Labrynth is stripped down. Simplified. This whole section of the game, be it the original or the remake, forgoes artiface and practically screams its symbols into James, Amanda, and Eddie's faces. James has descended into the deepest part of his own mind and we're left with a Maria that is broken down to her basic components. She is Mary, she is Maria, she is anything and everything James wants her to be made flesh. No free will, no individuality, she's a doll on display. Calling her Faelike is incredibly apt, she's inscrutable yet so very simple as she is here. When she's later executed we don't talk to her long enough to get a full sense of her behavior, but she WAILS for James like she knows him. Then the final Maria in most of the endings seems to have the memories of her experiences with him as well based on how she speaks to him.
Following the idea that Silent Hill is trapping both James and Mary, I can't help but wonder if Maria having that last moment with James was supposed to be a chance for Mary to find closure too. If Maria could accept her death and allow James to leave peacefully and even adopt Laura, Maria/Mary would be able to pass on and be at peace as well.
I continue to love your deconstructions and analysis. Silent Hill is such a cool series, it was totally different than other stuff which came out at the time.
To yes and: Maria feels like a very typical reflection of how women often get abstracted in men's lives and in stories reflecting the male perspective. She's fighting a fate she literally exists for, but also we are made to see her become a monster from his perspective specifically because she fights that perspective. In the beginning she plays along in the hope for freedom, but in the end there's no hope. She's a woman who is being fridged with each death. Maria gets brutalized by His guilt (through Silent Hill) so He gets what He wants: an externalization of His pain. Most women can empathize with the story of a woman railing against being treated like a tool made by the universe for a man to act on. Those women getting brutalized when they also have a will and act on it. Like any other abused and tormented person, Maria clings to any kind of safety even the kind that panders to their tormentor. In real life abuse survivors it re-establishes some sense of control and eliminates uncertainty. I believe Maria has her own consciousness because unlike Pyramid Head, Maria is not an aspect of James's psychology. She is a fully materialized reflection of someone else characterized by his perspective of that person. And arguably part of James's struggle comes from not being able to accept that his wife is not an merely extension of himself. Her suffering should be his suffering from loving her, not because it's hard for him to live with. As such, Silent Hill created a reflection that also is not an extension of himself. He can't control her actions, even through the supernatural power of Silent Hill, and so she becomes a monster to overcome. James is selfish. Any story from his perspective is going to twist every person and plot point into how it serves or hurts him and only him. The "you better do something about that cough" is probably the only part of Silent Hill that we get to see outside of his perspective and even then players, if they get that ending, have already been primed to dismiss the foulness of it. Ultimately, I don't actually believe the game is about James learning to accept his wife's death. I think it calls to him as tormented soul like the other people trapped there, and responds to his psychology while he is there. I also don't think Pyramid Head offs himself because he "served his purpose", I think he offs himself because James doesn't want to be punished anymore. He's not a guardian angel there to guide James through therapy, he's James hurting himself. As serious as this discussion is, I should get some credit for not making a triangle pun right there calling Pyramid Head a guardian angle. Anyway, I read the James and Maria plot line as a dark retelling of Pygmalion. His ideal woman was one who is desperate on threat of death to appease him, and he kills her too when she refuses to get put back in the toy box when he's done playing with her.
I'm not sure the players have been primed to dismiss the cough comment by getting that ending. You have to spend more time around her to get that ending, so it always came as a gut punch that playing James to be more protective and proactive with her just results in him continuing to be brutal and selfish.
"...Jame's struggle comes from not being able to accept his wife is not merely an extension of himself..." Hard agreement. James cannot figure out on his own who Maria truly is because of his treatment of Mary. Her first death, Pyramid Head stabbed Maria in the back, mirrors James ultimate betrayal to his wife. And the blank look in her face as she stares at him. Clear symbolism. A reenactment. Maria's second appearances in the cell/hospital room is reenacting Mary's own walls she built against James. Just like how James was not reciprocating Maria's advancements, there must have been moments where Mary had enough of James and kept him at a distance. The prison bars is keeping James from Maria, but she is also quite comfortable to "wait for him"/with him far from away as well. She brings up memories she shouldn't know because they are some of Mary's own resentments and feelings that James must have ignored and repressed while together. All of Maria's earlier attempts to get through to James and seduce him could have been mirroring Mary's attempts to connect to James while she was still alive. And when James is finally "ready" to return to Maria... well... that is why he finds her in that state. They were tired of being dismissed by James + Silent Hill themes. I don't believe Maria is a different person each time James comes across her. She seems like a different person because he doesn't make attempts to understand her.
@@DT-sb3xo I feel like there's too many assumptions there....and that you're not giving Silent Hill (the town) nearly enough credit on how much it is willing to use Maria to screw with James from many different directions. Which I do believe includes how Maria changes in how she acts every time James finds her. Plus, if James was so awful to Mary throughout their entire relationship, why bother leaving that heartfelt letter that she absolutely did not HAVE to write?
Maria losing her sense of self from the effects of Silent Hill and clinging, increasingly desperately to Janes, reminds me of the nurse Lisa and how she acts towards Harry from SH1. The town breaks down people, people that are often already broken when they got there, more and more until it destroys them.
The most tragic thing about maria is that no matter how she felt or did she ends up playing the role the was forced upon her Whether it's anger or happiness, she'll always remind James of mary and torment him as she was meant to do
I discovered your channel from your Elden Ring analyses, which I've enjoyed wholeheartedly, but these recent Silent Hill videos have been such a pleasant surprise I hope you do some more characters, I really love hearing new takes on this game
I dunno if I'm in the only who saw this but... the original María in SH2 felt even more abrasive and assertive than her new counterpart in the Remake. In SH2 she was too seductive and even cruel, feeling like a succubus almost immediately and even the player (or at least me) also felt the same level of rejection that James felt. The faster I could get rid of her compnay, which was definitely a hindrance gameplay wise, the better. Now, by the other hand, her Remake version, while keeping her seductive and needy leitmotifs, she felt slightly more likeable and attractive overall. Her facial expressions didn't seem so lascivious and she ommitted the cruel remarks about Mary that she said in the original script ("...or maybe, you hated her"). The toast scene at the Heaven's bar also feel like we should have had a choice to actually interact and drink with her or not (pushing higher James's destiny for his ending). She felt more attractive, cuter, the player (or at least me) felt more tempted in giving her a chance, didn't feel the same level of rejection of the original María and her new behavior felt more curious to the player to be with her more. Or maybe that's just me. I really liked this new María more over the original one.
I liked this video, I've been oddly fascinated with Maria recently. I'm not really sure why, I guess a mix of finding her a pleasant companion character and feeling bad for how completely doomed she is. I always felt bad whenever people shat on her acting like she was a total monster- she certainly is manipulative of James at some point, and she tries to kill him in the end, but she's not without her positive qualities and most of her ugly traits are because of the situation she's in. Maria is only how she is because of both James and the town itself. I think it's a really cool detail you mentioned concerning the different ways she and Pyramid Head go out. Pyramid Head is a dutiful worker, the job is done so he punches his own ticket since he's not needed anymore, but Maria shows she truly has agency and tries to get revenge on James for screwing her. It gives a new perspective on that last moment before she attacks him, James was probably expecting Maria to go "Good job James you've completed your character development yay :) " and disappear into pixie dust or something, instead she becomes a freaky monster and tries to kill his ass. I'm glad they expanded on her role in the remake. I think a lot of her line reads aren't as good as the original, and a few scenes with her kind of come across as cringey, but it was still fun getting to interact with her more. Poor girl.
12:40 is a really good observation. I thought that was a bit of a stretch for a sec but the way she moves really does look like someone trying to block someone's view. After finishing the game, a lot of what you're saying does feel right.
Hmmmm I had hoped you'd release this after they hopefully release DLC about her, but that has not been confirmed to begin with, so let's just see what you have to say here . You're not quite there not because you haven't thought it through, but there's so much more that you can infer about her character if you think that she's her own independent person (Which you did, good for you! It's uncomon), and that she is actually the reincarnated version of his dead wife complete with repressed memories, like him. For instance, you made the great point that she's trapped in the cell, brilliant. But there's more, there's an IV fluid in the background next to the bed. This is Mary during her illness, confined to bed, to a single room, and her only care in the world and only joy is James. She waits for him all the time. She also notes what you noted earlier: "I am not *your* Mary", and she's on point, she has Mary, not James's version of Mary in her. Complete with her own desires, and things she didn't share. She's fighting for her existence and longevity from the moment she's born. But like you noted, even if she's successful, she's gonna put herself and James through her disease all over again... kinda selfish NGL. Just like how he's supposed to accept that she's dead, she's supposed to come to terms that she's supposed to die too. There's no bargaining, for both of them. Edit: Also, people keep saying she doesn't interact with anyone, and that's not true. She does, but both are dead though.
I have one that isn't problematic in the same way a very specific group of people would interpret this game, and particularly this character Actualleh @@novasnotvibing
i think she is maria in that part. its ironic from my pov how here u unconsciously disregard maria in order to focus on mary. like another way she gets overshadowed by mary and put in that mold. but some of marys feelings u said are important to note as maria would have those too
@@novasnotvibingyes, you're talking about a guy who's talking about a 20 year old game we have been obsessing over for nearly as long. Bloober may have changed a few things, but in general. The main story is intact and many of those who've been theorizing have come a lot closer than what I've seen since the remake released. These new series of videos come off as never hearing of silent hill before and a lot of them lack proper research such as Actually Playing Born From A Wish and quite frankly. If that never releases from the Remake. We can't consider this Silent Hill Remake canon to the actual Silent Hill 2 story. And I know they want to release Born from a Wish because it's going to add a lot of context.
What about the actual story of the woman of light that you find in the historical society? It reveals that Maria lied about how the story goes, taking out the part of the man getting distracted by the moon, Maria being James's moon with her bracelet making it a bit obvious. Also the Maria scene you showed before her boss fight was not the same one in the Maria ending, in that one she's in the bed and never reveals she is actually Maria nor does James notice.
Wow that is really interesting i didn't notice this at all but it makes the story go so much deeper. The moon bracelet, her signifying the moon... In her version of the story she probably doesn't know that she is the moon but she feels that him going to her was as it should have been..
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Imagine being born just to fulfill someone else's character arc. Like, you were just made to be something that someone must overcome and once they do, you are discarded.
In some ways that is pretty much how a lot of side characters and villains are. Their purpose within the story is tom serve as part of someone else's story, to further their arc.
@@timebomb4562 I mean, yeah. But I was thinking about it in a more existential way, like, imagine applying that to real life. 😅
Maria’s final transformation explains everything about her role. She’s not just a tragic figure born for James to overcome-by the end, she’s actively resisting her fate. That monstrous form in the final confrontation? It’s her way of saying, “I’m not going quietly.” She’s refusing to be discarded like the rest of James’ manifestations, turning into something far more sinister. It’s her last-ditch attempt to control her existence, even if it means becoming the monster to do it.
@@redtheyiffer I know. It was brought up in the video. Where in my comment did I ever ask for this?
There's a commonly hated romance trope, where a character has no personality beyond being a love interest for someone else.
Maria is what would happen if that was literally true of somebody, and they were self-aware of it. And it's horrifying.
James wanted so badly for his wife to be alive, the town created a version of her that wanted to live.
That's creepy
Not just that
Maria is "Sexier" Mary
It's also what James wants Mary to be. Seductive and trying. Basically Maria is a manifestation of James' sexual frustration. She is literally what James wants Mary to be.
Tbf Mary also wanted to live as much as she wanted to die. Of course I'm sure she'd rather live without the disease but yeah
@@randomvids4099 Never confirmed, and very much the inc3l take on her. A woman whose entire existence... is for a man.
i think its powerful that the harder maria tries to save herself, the more the audience dehumanizes her. this is a story told from james’ perspective, after all
Look up the Maria spin off from the original Silent Hill 2. It shows her time in Silent Hill leading up to her meeting James. The game ends with Maria running off into the fog to 'find something'.
@@mikeyplays9677 are you tslking about Born from a Wish? She walks off to find James at the end.
I mean, in the end, she isn’t human. She’s a product of the town created to tempt James and punish him for what he did to Mary and everyone that understands the game knows that. So.. what kind of reaction do you expect people to have? She’s sympathetic, yeah, but people see the character for what she is. And embracing her as a “human” doesn’t work, because the ending where you do is horrible for everyone involved, but especially her. Imo, the Maria ending seems more like her punishment than James’ for succeeding in doing what the town created her to do.
@@pathetic2399 This right here
I wish I could like this twice.
5:13 Seeing as Mary and Laura met in the same hospital and Mary wanted to adopt her it makes sense that Maria, being a younger, healthier, supposedly "ideal" version of Mary Silent Hill created to get James to face up to killing her would have those maternal feelings towards Laura too.
Yes, that is said in the video.
Maria looks like the healthy Mary that James remembers from 3 years prior, since when he enters the town with Mary’s body in the trunk he doesn’t remember the past 3 years. In Born from a Wish, Maria was created as a manifestation, as soon as James entered the town and Maria had Mary’s memories subconsciously.
Just like with Pyramid head being shaped by James from the painting in the Historical Museum. Maria was shaped using a poster for a dancer named Maria. She is a dancer in Heavens Knight, which is the club you visit with Maria. So while there are a lot of similarities between the Maria’s, the real Maria didn’t look like Mary.
This is mostly stuff that isn’t really clear unless you find the hidden information in Silent Hill 3 and 4.
There's a theory that's been circling around since the original game's release; it claims that Maria is actually the woman from the legend Maria tells, the Lady of the Lake she's called, somehow reborn, whether by James, the town itself or maybe both. While it's never confirmed, if this theory is true, this makes Maria story even more tragic, she suffered a tragic fate during her living, than she's reborn for a purpose she hates and has a delusion that she could escape Silent Hill with James. But each attempt fails due the town killing her, and once James accepts the truth, her exit gets closed, her way out has been sealed, leaving her once again trapped in Silent Hill forever alone. And even if she succeeds, her second chance will only lead to misery. No matter the ending Maria will never get a happy ever after.
I like this theory. Treating it charitably it could be more of a standard wise woman / witch spirit that only aims to teach a lesson to the passerby, acting like a mirror to ones own "soul" and simply acting that way. James was not really responsible thus didn't have any hell to go through / be punished for beyond his own self harming behaviours which when out of the way he comes to terms with his reality outside of silent hill. Theres a reason 2 seems to be the drop off point for the series in general and it was the epitome of what silent hill the concept seemed to be. A hell of reflection and discarding of things in ones life that did not suit them or others. Other games took a more Jigsaw approach damning the guilty parties to a hell of their own making / just desserts. Without a real moral to the story or overarching lesson or theme they began to rely on the story of 2 as an example and kinda fell off. Hard to beat perfection I suppose 🧐
The towns spiritual forces do keep people trapped there in perpetuity. It is canon that Lisa Garland is alive and under heavy torture in the Otherworld. I've never heard that theory but its actually really good.
@@wallybonejengles5595wait what do you mean lisa is alive?
Just finishing for the first time this weekend, I speculated to a friend that if the In Water ending is canon then I feel there's an argument to be made that James and Mary are reincarnation of the tragic lovers from the island tell. Latching onto her interpretation that the events of the game occur simultaneously alongside other playthroughs, like the OG and remake are happening at the same time but in parallel universes to explain why characters make haunting references to things they've done or experienced in the OG, then it could be that James and Mary are destined to repeat a cycle of tragic love trading off who dies. In the island story it's the exiled woman whose lover drowns during a storm; in the present it's the woman who becomes sick and dies before the man.
Then they repeat the cycle each time.
@@zenmindgamer well even that is a romantic trope. Tragic love like that of romeo and juliet has often inspired grisly ends to lovers life stories. Some even seek it out. It's not quite as 'supernatural' as you may think. The positives too. Lovers peak is a globally used name for scenic overlooks where lovers meet as well as other 'rituals' for want of a better word. We all try reproduce the perfect romantic gestures and whole cultures form around it. Even modern "lovers only" or "couples only" businesses exist where ONLY couples may attend. Mad to think of really 😄
I'd say she's a pretty tragic character. In "born from a wish", we could see that she's a very real woman who has autonomy, is very self aware, and even values her life. Unfortunately over the course of the main game she slowly loses her autonomy and consciousness to the malevolent forces of Silent Hill. This being the most evident in the prison cell scene. Theres the possibility that during a small section of that scene, the one talking to james was neither Mary nor Maria but the evil forces of Silent Hill. Talking to him, thru Maria. At the end of Born From A Wish, she has a hard time accepting what she is and is ready to do a terrible choice (but doesnt). One line at the end of the remake that really stood out to me was when she said to james "i can't let you go... I Can't!". This line felt like it carried alot of weight to her. This implies that she reluctantly accepts what she is and is terrified of what will happen next if she lets james go (the permanent end of her). Interesting how she was ready to unalive herself in the beginning but terrified of her life ending at the end. Kind of an interesting twist to a line in the original game's manual. "Some Fear Death, Others pray for it". Both apply to her.
that line you mentioned sounds a lot like James's "I can't go on without you".
Honestly I always found silent hill "motives" to test people legitimate... but for Maria, I find it so cruel, instead of spawning creatures, silent hill did create a sentient being... She wasn't evil, she was just human, she wanted to have her life as Maria not Mary... Until she became just a creature in the end. What is bad in this game (the og included) to me was the fact that she couldn't choose herself when everybody had the chance, at some point, to overcome their traumas, she would either be a replacement to punish James or a nemesis so he can find catharsis... She never had the chance to choose, her path or her ending.
She isn't human though. She is a manifestation of James' memories of Mary and his dark desires. In Silent Hill 3 there's a poster of a dark haired woman named Lady Maria found in Heaven's Night. Hinting at the fact that James visited Heaven's Night and saw her "act". Probably wishing Mary was more like her. The bobblehead nurses are representative of his repressed sexual desires and so is Maria. In Maria's ending she coughs and in Brookhaven too, plus there are bottles of pills by her bed indicating she is ill, possibly having the same disease that Mary had. It doesn't help that she is never seen with Eddie or Laura. She could very well be a hallucination of James' guilty conscious.
James is one of those perfect protagonists who is both a tragic victim of his own guilt and selfish perpetuating his own hell outside and inside silent hill. In 2 more than any other this internal struggle is most pronounced, to the point it almost feels like silent hill pitied James. He was given the most options to opt out and or overcome his personal hell, was taunted not by overly hellish designs but very human and understandable fears and inner conflicts. In essence silent hill was about saving James not punishing him. He was punished enough by life and by himself and silent hill used "maria" to help him. Maybe not redeem him but at least get him to a place where he could accept his loss and move on with life.
Truly a masterpiece of a story.
I think her autonomy was always fake, she is a creation of the town, a representation akin to todays ai.
She was programed to be somebody, and was never actually born or learned by herself.
I think the video is a little biased toward her.
I've always known Maria was scared of dying/not existing. It's was her biggest fear and the REMAKE exemplifies this.
I think the best way to explain the existence of Maria is as being similar to pyramid head: pyramid head is James' torturer and exists to harm him physically, Maria is a torture instrument made to torture him mentally. I doubt its coincidence that she gets killed repeatedly infront of James, the town made her to have James watch as his wife dies again and again and hes powerless to save her. The final battle is the town's last torture, to have James kill his wife again.
Going along with the idea that she has a role to fill, she starts coughing exactly as they reach the car, Maria will play Mary's role and make James suffer by losing his wife again: she'll get sick again, she'll suffer as he watches hopelessly and he'll kill her again.
Maria is a turture device designed perfectly for James
Pyramid Head is a metaphorical retelling of what he actually did.
The transformation of Maria makes James come to terms with that.
In alternate hospital if we check on her we find lots of empty bottles, James then says "Is Maria sick now too?". It's an optional scene, but it hints that Maria was sick probably from the very start, it didn't started when they approached car.
Sounds like my ex wife 😅
@@fakt7814 I wouldn't say she was sick. It's a clue of her purpose. The medication indicates that James will always be powerless to help his wife. It's another torture if he falls for her and fails to overcome and accept his actions and guilt. If he fails to overcome and just leaves with Maria. He is doomed to repeat his actions again.
“Maria” - Shadow the Hedgehog
*explosion in background*
Hi Shadow, it's me the devil
"Where's that damn fourth Chaos Emerald"
"I promise you... REVENGE!!"
HIIIIIIIII
WHAT'S UUUUUUP
IT'S MEEEEEE
Now deconstruct the shiba inu
There's no redeeming evil of that caliber.
No joke. It seems like a joke ending at first. But in the remake they actually have a lot of weird specific dark lore around the town if you look closely enough, hinting at the possibility that the dog is actually one of the old gods in disguise. In the pet store when you get the first key part there's a note that states " we found it around Katz street. We should never have brought it here. It's looking at me right now. It won't leave. It won't stop looking. Don't look it in the eyes. No matter what you do, don't look at it in the eyes." And at the end James looks it in the eyes.
@@RaymondMichaelBarrerathat’s pretty neat, i love how the remake has opened up a bunch of questions but never answers many of them much like the original
A 3 hour long video essay delving into the psyche of true villainy, and cuteness..
@@pupatart750 I’m not sure what you mean. Within the game itself most of the big questions related to the story at hand are all pretty well answered on subsequent playthroughs. The devs have also been very open throughout the years about what their intentions were. What means what symbolically. And even which ending is canon. That’s the great thing about silent hill is the answers are all there but at first or maybe even second glance you likely won’t pick up on them.
I think it's worthy of note that the scene of Maria and James reuniting in the nightmare is the first time that the "damsel" act fails. Whether she's being genuine or not in that moment, she pushes too hard and James kind of sees it and pulls away.
That’s an excellent observation
I really hope they add Born from a Wish eventually. That sub campaign added so much to Maria's character
Bloober boss said they want to.
I think a decision was made to exclude it and use Maria as a stand in for silent hill directly interrogating James and testing him along the way. Otherwise its left feeling like Maria didn't deserve it when in reality she was just a narrative tool / spirit used to convey the story. You could argue she was always just a lost spirit at the graveyard alone and attached to James through their mutual longing and loneliness and then silent hill takes hold of her to test James.
@@ChrisSummers-AlienFaeREwasn't the whole point of Born from a Wish is to make Maria realize she's just a narrative tool?
Me too but I am glad it wasn’t added now, I think works better as post release DLC since it makes you look at things differently. Much like shadow of the Eard tree
@@LuigiGamesful no need for it when the character got fixed then glad u agree. Without the confusing back story it. .ahh theres an interplay still between the original and the remake. People kinda know her story and part already so it doesn't need fixing with a DLC if ya get me
I'm glad you touched upon Maria as a character in this way. I was thinking the exact same thing in the past few days - how tragic her character actually is. And I also thought that Maria did get killed and reborn each and single time, and each reincarnation was a bit more twisted than the previous one simply because James himself grown more and more conflicted throughout the story. And then the ending, where she says she can't let him go, tells me she is on the defensive - she realized she was going to die if James left or she was going to die being physically killed by him. She decided to go fighting.
And James killed two women that wanted him in a span of a few days. What a hero.
Who said James is meant to be a hero? He isn't exactly a villain either though.
@@BriarPatchNyra It was a rhetorical statement.
Maria isn't a tragic person, seeing as she was tasked to "kill" James when she manifested in the town with a revolver and was given by the order from the old gods (Ernest Baldwin, the person that gave orders to Maria) to punish James, which was expanded on the DLC "Born from a Wish". She is there to make sure James gets punished one way or another, hence her seductive attempts at James to to sway him from his redemption (leading to the Maria Ending).
She does not exist to being with as she is a vessel of Mary's memories and the ideal desires of an widowed man, and only manifested in the town for James to wallow into his demise.
@@joseftangpuz2050 Well, that's the surface level interpretation that has been around since the original. I always felt it was overly simplified and lacked subtlety. The new additions they made to Maria as a character in the remake certainly pain a much more complex picture of her, which is what this video here is trying to get at.
@@Snakiest I agree. This is a very artistic story with a lot of depth and nuance to it-- that interpretation of her is incredibly surface level and unfaithful to the layers SH2 truly has. Maria is not evil. She is antagonistic, sure, but genuinely *this* feels like the true interpretation of her. She's just as trapped and vulnerable as James is, and even more innocent because she is a manifestation of what he wants, and the shadow of a woman that suffered a terrible disease and was killed by her only possible protector. It's a confusing existence to be stuck in. In the Maria ending, not only does she suffer from someone else's fate, she's also still being used as a tool to punish James in spite of "winning" the autonomy she strove for.
Being a tool to torment him as well as a layered and complex conscious that the town manifested can both be true.
I agree with this video. It's why Born From A Wish matters. She's not just a hallucination, or a monster. She an independent person who operates outside of James, that's doomed to play a role. Which is to tempt James and punish him with her constant deaths. And there's no way out unless she seduces James.
You're not quite there, first part is true...
Second part, I think this shows who thought of her as a "Mary clone", because then they're more likely to explain what she wants and why she does what she does correctly.
Even if she seduces James, there’s still no way out for her. She’s doomed to die of the disease that would have killed Mary, or be killed by James like Mary was.
@@pathetic2399yep, you're spot on. So even if she does get what she wants at the end of the game, that won't last 😔
She's *not* an independent person
@@Stigmatix666"i think, therefore i am", she is a manifestation but she has her own mind outside of James.
I always felt Maria was created by the town to imitate a healthier, less inhibited Mary. Something to entice, and tempt James. Another test by the town to mess with Jame's resolve. In further contact with James, Maria begins to become a person all her own.
As for Pyramid Head's relationship with her, maybe he sees her as an obstacle in the way of James seeing the truth. Or maybe he just kills her because that's his purpose. After all, he attacks other monsters too.
Near the end of the story, Maria seems to genuinely care for James, but jealously tries to keep him for herself when James realized she wasn't real. All of which may explain why Maria tries to kill James in the end.
So many questions. The guessing is half the fun. I hope we never get the answers. Let us all speculate.
It’s my theory that Maria is born from Mary’s wishes, not James. As that seems to be the entire plot for the game. This is why Maria cares for Laura, and she herself can’t even determine why.
I also think Maria’s personality, and appearances are ideal versions of herself she believes James always wanted from her. But even this seems to be untrue since James is pretty indifferent to Maria despite those very changes. Maria’s existence isn’t decided entirely by James choices, she doesn’t just cease to exist like Pyramid Head and the rest of James manifestations because I believe she’s created by Mary as a tool to help James reconcile his feelings for Mary and the harsh reality of his choices. Maria inherits Mary’s memories and thoughts that not even James himself is aware of.
In one version of the boss it’s not even Maria, it’s Mary confronting James for falling for Maria, confirming her fears and insecurities. Nonetheless it’s implied that Maria is her own person with her own will where she’s warned to stay away from him, and seemingly given the same opportunity to make the healthy decision to leave Silent Hill and James or return to him and face her fate. Maria chooses James in the same way James can choose Maria.
Maria seems like a manifestation of Maria’s unfinished life and desires, including helping James, that can either help James find redemption or condemn him.
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A good interpretation, but nonetheless incorrect if you have touched upon the original and the DLC "Born from a Wish" and even ito had to confirm this to an extent. Maria and her seductive nature is definitely a manifestation of James' ideal woman in Mary, something Mary would never have at those 3 years that she was in bed, terminally ill. Within those three years you would know that Mary met Laura and most definitely doted on her as a daughter she could never had.
Those qualities that Mary had (the motherly love for Laura) along with the ideal qualities James want from Mary (the seductive, healthy minx of a time when Mary was still healthy and young) created Maria from the old gods (Ernest Baldwin whom we would never see in the DLC, but communicates with Maria after her assension to existence, holding a revolver gun) for the purpose to test James' mettle and ultimately "kill him" if he denies his punishment for killing Mary. She is unique person with unique personality, but at the same time a hollow vessel containing the personality of a dead wife and a ideal desires of a widowed husband.
This would ultimately explains why she goes seducing James upon their first visit in the foyer, her motherly qualities she unexpectedly have to care for Laura, and the creepy vibes she had when she could recall Mary's memories upon James' visit to the room where Maria sat with metal bars in front of her.
Seeing as this town embellishes on the manifestations of one's psyche and ego, as you would see in Angela's version of silent hill (flesh, protruding piston walls in abstract daddy room and the fiery walls James comes to see later on); the deterioration of Lakeview Hotel upon James' realization that he killed Mary; Laura's version of silent hill as peaceful, quiet with no monsters roaming around suggest that these are manifestations of those who came to Silent Hill from a unprecedented force that compelled them to come to Silent Hill.
It would be impossible for Mary to manifest Maria since Mary died already in James' hands and her body being shoved in the trunk of James' car.
Also to add upon the Maria ending where James denies his guilt and the boss manifests Mary instead of Maria, in this version he was compelled to say "that's not Mary, Mary is long gone" conversation prompting him to seal his fate and damned to repeat his hell forever since at the end, Maria started coughing indicating that Maria will eventually suffer the same fate Mary did, and this time it would be James' fault.
Maria isn't there to help James move on or reconcile with his guilt. She is there to make sure he dies in some shape or form, self inflicted or not if he fails to confront his crime and punishment.
In fact you'd notice that in Maria ending (or any ending aside from Leave ending), Laura is nowhere to be seen after the final boss, or that Maria can't see Laura despite worrying about her earlier stages of the game. Seeing as Laura is the symbolic nature of innocence, Maria can't see Laura (since Maria does not exist to begin with), Eddie couldn't see Laura after affirming himself "***ing a person ain't no big deal" comment, and James couldn't see Laura anymore after viewing the video tape in Lakeview Hotel until he was forgiven by Mary at the end. A little factoid but yeh.
Also a little factoid about the red 🟥 you see as save files in the game. In the original before the two pyramid head fight, you would see 9 squares organized 3 by 3 matrix.
This symbolizes James' manifestations, enemies you see from the beginning to the end of the game, including The Mandarin (a derivative of flesh lips from Heather Mason's monsters), Pyramid Head (James' manifestation to self punish for his crime and sins) and Abstract Daddy (Angela's trauma). Of the nine squares Maria is the last 🟥 , indicating that Maria indeed is one of manifestation of James' psyche.
This would explain the comment he made at the beginning when you visit the well with a 🟥, making a comment about how this square is "...burrowing onto his head" to paraphrase.
Here are the nine enemies symbolizing all 9 red 🟥:
Lying figure (first encounter mob), mannequin (first encounter when you pick up the flashlight) bubble head nurse, the Manadrin, Pyramid Head, Creeper (those bugs), flesh lips (mini boss, ones that are hanging on the ceilling when Laura locked you out), Abstract daddy and Maria/Mary (last boss).
All signify James' manifestation with different meanings and interpretation of each enemy.
@@joseftangpuz2050 You failed to point out how the DLC proves anything, or why or how James would want Maria to be motherly or nurturing when he himself had no idea who Laura was, or any of Mary's plans to adopt her. Those are things that only Mary knew, and yet somehow Maria also shared similar feelings for Laura. Secondly, nothing supports this idea that James cared for the seductive nature of Maria, in fact the game continuously implies the opposite, with james repeatedly leaving her and rebuffing every come-on she attempts. These don't seem like qualities James cares about, they seem like qualities Mary felt he wanted. She even says as much in the original game, commenting on how ugly she was and how no one could ever love someone so hideous, and then Maria appears, this ideal, sexy version of her, with all of her ideal qualities, even the ones James had no knowledge of.
The DLC actually deals in reincarnation in fact, which also supports my theory. It implies that Ernest acknowledges Maria as Mary's incarnation, and wonders if the same thing could be used to bring back his own daughter. If Maria were a soulless husk, I doubt Ernest would have been inspired to attempt the ritual himself. He incited Maria to help him inact this ritual, stating that the gods were there. Mary being dead wouldn't stop Silent Hill from summoning, or using her, in fact its heavily implied that Ernest himself is a ghost, we really have no way of knowing what the limitations of Silent Hill are. Even the movie deals with the dead city folk in the mist realm.
We really cannot say what is, or isn't impossible, nothing about SIlent Hill is ever discussed in factual terms.
Maria and Pyramid Head are two sides of the same ugly coin. One born to be a victim that wants to live one born to be a killer that wants to die. Both are needed to help James out of his, malaise.
That is probably the most compelling and brilliant take I’ve heard on the dynamic between Maria and Pyramid head, summed up in a couple sentences. Damn.
Someone cooked here.
maria is beautiful
I really hope they make the Maria DLC, not a lot of people are aware that it even exists
I didn't know til now
Bloober has expressed a desire to do so, it might happen down the line
I kinda thought it would be a separate mode with the base game, but I’m not really opposed to Bloober makin’ it DLC. I just personally don’t like to return to games after I’ve moved on to another game…
I loved playing as her when I was a kid. It's such a great game.
Thanks for this. I always felt awful for her + most analyses I’ve seen paint her as manipulative and that’s kind of it. But, I know manipulative people and when you see through their tactics, there’s always this profound loneliness underneath.
Yeah good luck with that. Sometimes people are just POS brother
Always wished that there was another secret joke ending where Maria and Pyramid-Head watch James leave Silent Hill and, with their purposes seemingly fulfilled, put their differences aside, fall in love and have a beautiful wedding. All the other monsters are invited and the scene fades out to the song “Monster Mash”
There will be people who will ship it.
I actually love that idea. It'd probably be a joke ending (mostly with the idea of Pyramid Head being a nervous groom at the altar), but it would be such a sweet ending for them.
Oh god, now I wish that was a thing. The mental image alone is hysterical.
I've seen some arts that ahem... explore that direction
And after Pyrimad Head and Maria are pronounced married he stabs her.
The genius of SH2 was always figuring out the real villain isn't what seems obvious. It was never Pyramid Head. It was never Maria. It was always James. Back as a 90;s teen I can still remember how that stuck with me and how for the first time I felt disgusted by a character I was playing as.
Exactly. James is a really bad person lol
These types of characters are called anti-heroes.
@@SoundsFromBeyond how tf James is antihero? Antihero does bad things to help people. Everything what James did was to satisfy his ego. You think he unalived Mary because she wanted to d i e? No. It's because he decided that she needs to d i e.
@@SoundsFromBeyond Nah, not James.
@@alesthra You can say killed, it's just a word. Not sure if you played either the remake or the original but James confessed that it was easier on him to end her suffering so that he would stop feeling obligated to care for her. He resented her for "stealing parts of his life". That's a pretty obvious indicator that he's selfish; you wouldn't murder someone you cared about just so you can live easier. That may not make him an anti-hero in the traditional sense, but he's not a hero.
6:00 the fact that people are simping for a literal butcher and the manifestation of James own self torment, and calling Maria a gold digging harlet, for lack of better words, is absolutely funny to me. Both of their purpose is to make James psyche spiral out of control faster. Both are forms of punishement. Pyramid head is physical torment while Maria is psychological. It's no coincidence that she looks exactly like Marry, only a sluttier version of her
It just farther tells me that humanity is cooked
@@jarvaruscarter only your perception of humanity. 😉
I guess it's rooted in misogyny.
It's an easy word to use, but here it's applicable precisely because people praise a literal monster who butchers people, but berate a woman for being "slutty".
@brswimmer don't wink at me sir or madam......... I now feel like I'm in danger and I will be contacting the proper authorities 🤣
i showed my sister silent hill and she immediately began simping for pyramid head
excellent video. i gotta say, this discourse hits harder while I'm in the midst of being forced to act as sole caretaker to my dad, who is at this point bedbound, dying of cancer, and with increasingly frequent confusion and emotional outlashing from dementia. I love him of course, I would never harm him like James eventually does, but having to take care of someone as they break down more and more and more (and at the same time, raising my own young children) is really soul-crushing, for everyone involved. It's also not helped that theoretically our government has social services in place to help with taking care of aging parents, but the "means testing" makes it impossible to obtain--because my mom started a life insurance policy forty years ago that is now at 60k (After four decades of paying into it every month), the government considers that an "asset" that we have to spend entirely on private pay before medicaid will even THINK of possibly subsidizing a memory care nursing home. Considering that they cost on average 8-12k per month, that's only five or six months of care, and then what? the money will be gone, we won't be able to afford it any longer, but getting medicaid to take over at that point is extremely unlikely for a number of reasons. Sorry that turned into a rant...tl;dr like I said, I can sympathize with James breaking down emotionally over taking care of his sick wife. It's a tragic situation, she hates being sick and hates being a burden, while he hates having to watch her break down further and further, and having to take care of her all the while (though it seems like she's at a hospital when he visits her, so he's not actually taking as intensive care of her as I currently am of my dad). Humans need to work on accepting death...sometimes "life no matter what" isn't the option, and the guilt of facing that reality can break someone so badly they find themselves transported to a world of monsters.
@54:43 so were not gonna mention mary’s actual decomposing body in the back of the car and how maria should of lost her absolute shit when realizing theres a body in the back 😅
Honestly made me even more sad for this character than what I already was. I watched the whole thing very good video!
Her long distant stare peers deeply into my soul!
She is as haunting as she is tragic.
So I can't confirm if this is in the original game, but in the remake at the very beginning in the bathroom you can see a poster of Heaven's Night and a picture of presumably Maria. This makes me think James saw this poster or another one and subconsciously made Maria from that. Which is so cool to think he probably saw that poster and thought nothing and his subconscious made a whole person and personality based on it
Ad breaks are hilarious.
"What sets her on the path of self destruction? Ok, here it is..."
And uber eats ad!
I get it, those things can really push you over the edge Maria.
One the closeup of the body of the second version of Maria's wrist you can see a tattoo of Lilith's sigil. Interesting implications by the devs.
It's horrific and brilliant storytelling. From the way Maria dies to the way she was treated mirrors the emotional and lived experiences of Mary.
James still would have to explain the dead body in the back of the car
I don't think the body is there anymore, in the María ending, the final bossfight is Mary, not María, that means she got resurrected, somehow, the dead Mary is in the top of lakeview
I like to think James did go to turn himself in and subsequently was jailed for what he's done, maybe some day he'll be able to return to regular life too, if he holds on long enough
Silent Hill 2 is probably the most discussed game on the internet. The first game had a million video essays going into so many details, theories, and viewpoints. I’m proud to say that this is the first great video essay about the remake (that I’ve seen). Phenomenal job!
The dichotomy of my enjoyment of the complex analysis of the character and the part of me that immediately folded during Maria's cutscene
This is the first time I heard that people refer to Maria as evil. For real… she has always been a tragic character. In fact its James who uses her somewhat
A perfect video about Maria in the remake. You touched the greatest aspects of her character. How she was literally Born From A Wish. Hopefully we will get a DLC for her side story to learn something more about her - like why she didn't want to enter through Baldwin Mansion's main gates, because she learned there about her purpose. I would love to hear more of your videos about James, Angela, Eddie, Laura and even Mary. Or maybe one about monsters or the places in Silent Hill that James visited, would love to heat about Toluca Prison, Labyrinth and Lakeview Hotel
I feel badly for Maria. She wants to be her own person outside of James, Mary’s shadow, and Silent Hill. But she can’t and keeps getting poorly treated by James and brutally murdered by Pyramid Head and then James at the end. Coming to the realization that you’re just a creation born out of a man’s guilty psyche must be devastating.
I kind of like the idea of James and Maria leaving Silent Hill together. However, it’s implied that she will die of illness like Mary did. But at least she has a little bit of a life.
See she does become less tragic if you're thinking she's the reincarnated version of Mary, trying to cheat death, be with James, and stop him from offing himself.
It's the lady of the lake's story.
Not only that, but James will likely abandon her or treat her like shit once the illness rears its head, and he finds himself back in the nightmare that started his downward spiral.
It is fascinating that interpreting Maria like this makes Leave the worst ending (Mary dead, Maria dead, James leaves both behind and moves on). At the same time, the Maria ending is sort of the best ending because she gets to live a little bit longer. Mary gets the shortest end of the stick in all of the endings, even in Rebirth, in which we don't even know if she actually gets brought back or James simply ends up opening the gates of hell, serving as a prequel to the Doom series.
Why do people think that she wants to be free of James when that is the literal opposite of what her character’s motivations are? I’ve only played the original SH2, I’m guessing there are new scenes in the remake that paint her as more sympathetic?
@@StevenKirby-uq5jk There is a tiny little bit more in the remake, yes. That said, it is a pure assumption that she wants to be free. She might, but it is never even hinted at in the remake, as far as my interpretation goes. What is hinted at is that she is desperate as she comes to realize that her existence is for James and depends on James' choices.
"Pyramid head didn't deserve this"
Pyramid Head is just misunderstood, give him a break ;)
Pyramid Head was a good boi
All of you are idiots smh
Leave Pyramid Head alone! T_T
Pyramid Head deserves to go on silly little adventures with Maria
dude, anybody who says pyramid head is a "good guy" is completly crazy... you can say that he is necessary for james development, but defntly not an angel... as said in this video, maria spent most of the game not hurting james, all that james needed to do was take maria outside with him, he didnt even have to use her to replace mary, all he needed was be nice to her and bring her with him... i find a shame that maria got her first death, i realy wish that james wasnt such an idiot and acctuly came out to try and help her, maybe she would have retained her initial personality, and would be out of there and everything would be fine to everybody...
Great analysis. And I completely agree with you on Maria. For me, she was always most tragic character in this story. We can argue that most tragic is Angela. But as much as Angela didnt deserved what have happened to her, and her life was truly tragic, there is still hope that she will find her salvation. In case of Maria though, she was born in hell, and she never had any chance to leave.
I get James wants to get his wife but damn can he be a little more compassionate to Maria
It proves why he has relationship problems.
I feel like that’s what they wanted the player to get from him. He’s a very standoffish person who is unable to provide comfort to the people who need it. The total opposite of the hero from Maria’s story.
He doesn't trust her. She looks and sounds too much like Mary. She comes on strong and never lets up. James may be caught up in the mind-fog of his depression and the "spell" of the town but deep down he knows she isn't right somehow. He's not stupid. He realizes it's some sort of trick or game. She attempts to immediately latch onto him from the moment they meet. They're both adults, he doesn't know her and he's not obligated to protect her.
@@justina2225 yea, while watching a playthrough I notice he comes off that way. He's not opposed to helping others which I see as him doing what anyone agrees is morally the right thing to do. But he would rather be alone, and as you said he's not very good with comforting people.
A small detail in the hospital that was very interesting to me is that if u keep talking to Maria, she will turn and face the wall but she also moves slightly closer to the wall, leaving enough space for James to join her, like she was subtlety enticing James to lay down with her, also i loved the scene were she thanks him for checkin up on her, the little smile as if to say "im getting to him"
The devs really did an amazing job and so did u with this analysis
I like your style of video essay, where you basically ask a media literacy question before showing us the scene. "What is the character trying to accomplish?" "At which point does their fate get sealed?". It's cool.
Also, I had to go back a few times to really see it. But this scene at 47:00 the subtitles say Mary at first. Then just before James calls her Maria, it her text changes to Maria as well. That was one last trick Silent Hill had for James. I didn't notice that until just right now!
I noticed this immediately but haven’t heard anyone else call it out yet on any analysis videos. Pretty interesting detail they put in there.
The Maria version in the Silent Hill 2 remake really hit it out the park for me and i like this interpretation of her. I loved the aspect of humanizing her more with her own thoughts and feelings. Maria in the remake uses her eyes to convey her emotions and her icy blues just suck you right in as if it's a trance. During the jail scene towards the end of her dialogue "I'm here for you James.....See?.....I'm real". Now with the different direction in her tone made me wonder if she was trying to convince James of that or in actuality Maria is trying to convince herself instead that she's real. Ugh I like what they did with her, she still had the sex appeal but in a more subtle way without taking away the meaning of her character. They added more depth to her story and I really really freaking hope we get Born From A Wish.
Her classic outfit didnt take anything from her. This is just modern audience buzzword/ excuses. And she always had her own character. Play born from a wish.
fingers crossed we get it! :D
@@samf.s.7731finger's are crossed 🔀
Glad to see many agree Maria is a tragic character. She's my favorite part of the game.
In defense of Pyramid Head, or well, perhaps to just better explain his place in the story, while all monsters are born from a part of James' psyche, Pyramid Head and Maria are born from very specific parts of his mind, the strongest parts; his rage, guilt and his desire for atonement in Pyramid Head and his love, lust and memories of his wife and what he imagined their life could have been in Maria. Pyramid Head IS a guiding force as a result of what he represents, and pushes James to do what he thinks he needs to do, and so it is unfeeling, focused and always ahead of James, appearing whenever he is lost or seems to be straying off the path. Often times you don't see him, but see his presence in the path of destruction left in his wake, slaughtered monsters, paths forcibly opened, or appearing to block James from going the wrong way, ala, a guiding force, not a benevolent one, but a guide regardless. Maria, by extension of being what she is, IS a wrong way, and given that James' psyche is obviously not harmonized, the manifestations of these parts of his mind also come to blows naturally. Pyramid Head is there to make sure James faces his sins, and Maria is there to stop him, be it because that's what she was assigned to do or because she wants him to stay with her so she doesn't have to disappear. In the end Pyramid Head much like Maria follows his function; he cleans up the way so James faces his sins, this includes killing Maria as she is an obstacle and the Executioner was made to destroy obstacles. The divergence as you mentioned is at the end; with his function complete, Pyramid Head exits the story by his own hands, while Maria, having much greater cognition, willingly stays behind, refusing to be a thing to disappear.
The devs have talked pretty extensively about pyramid head and what he represents and it’s pretty much as simple as he exists ONLY to punish James because he exists ONLY because James strongly desires to be punished. No part of pyramid head is James desire to atone. Simply to be punished. But as you said because of what pyramid head is he ultimately causes James to seek atonement and ultimately decide he has suffered enough. Which is why in some endings Mary tells James point blank that he has suffered for what he did to her. And “it’s enough”
I don't think anything of Pyramid head is about personal atonement. Our introduction to the character after the brief glimpse in the hallway was it seemingly SAing a mannequin monster on the table and then killing it. It represents the darkest and most reprehensible parts of James, the violent predator. It's silent, emotionless, powerful, overtly masculine, sexual, and violent. It manifested as an external monster because James didn't want to admit it was a part of him, a part he'd already given into.
Maria was the manifestation of everything he told himself he wanted Mary to be (young, healthy, beautiful, seductive, devoted, and fully obsessed with pleasing him) but he still resented Mary and still viewed Maria's neediness as an annoying burden, so that violent predator part of him wanted to hurt her just as ruthlessly and brutally as he did Mary. James hates himself but when given the choice to hurt Maria/Mary or himself, he chooses the women every time.
Maria is certainly NOT an obstacle. She is a manifestation of James' mind. The image of Mary, distorted, to lure him further into his delusion that "Mary is still alive". Her function in Silent Hill/James' subconscious is to be killed. Over and over. She returns because she is not real. She is killed to force James to relive the murder of his wife and to understand that HE is the reason Maria keeps dying, just like how he was the reason Mary died. Maria is a projection that allows him to understand what happened to Mary as an analog. That's why, at the end, with the Pyramid head duo fight, James screams more intensely during that death of Maria than any other moment in the game because he realizes what everything in Silent Hill means. He accepts that he caused Mary and Maria's deaths and he states he understands what PH's purpose is. He needed something else to punish him because his own mind forgot his crimes. Now that he understands Maria = Mary (metaphorically), Silent Hill is no longer necessary for him to heal.
This video is dead wrong about her being a real or tragic person. The only real people in the game are James, Eddie, Angela, and Laura.
Pyramid head is also not a motivating force. His presence only
Pyramid head is basically James Angel but in demon form😭
In psychological terms, Maria is James' introject of Mary. Basically its how he imagines the best qualities of Mary. When people interact with eachother, they don't actually interact with eachother sometimes. They take a snapshot of a person- basically download everything they percieve externally about someone and that's what they interact with- its called an introject. That is why people get into arguments, because ppl's introject of eachother is not the actual person they are talking to.
This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for. Thank you very much for the time and effort you put into making it. Finished the game myself a couple of days ago, and couldn't stop thinking about it. I also got the Maria ending, which apparently is a harder one to get. To me she was a fascinating and very appealing character ever since James meets her on the pier. Her looking and sounding the same as Mary notwithstanding, it was obvious she was more (or less?) than she seemed.
A lot of the deductions you made are ones I believed myself but you went a lot deeper and for that I am grateful as it helped me to understand her character better, too. It's also made me a lot sadder to think of her in retrospective. She truly is the most tragic character of the game. Designed as a part-villain, only to end up being that monster because her every attempt at being the opposite failed.
One aspect that I'm still unsure of is whether the resurrected Maria in the labyrinth was a brand new "golem" with none of the memories of the Maria who dies at the hospital, or if she (and the 2 other versions you meet afterwards) are just a twisted continuation of the same character. When I first saw the scene with her in the prison cell, I thought she just turned "evil" and was gaslighting James into becoming more unhinged. Because the story would be infinitely more tragic if the 4 Marias that James meets and witnesses the deaths of were all their own individual.
Either way, a great essay on your part and masterful writing on her character, as well as the voice actress who basically did 2 different-but-intertwined characters.
I really liked the actor that did mary/maria, really drew me into this experience and I loved how different they made her look between styles and even how her true to life style plays against those.
Bloober Team really surprised me with how closely they stuck to the original game and its themes. The remake's story is just as haunting and eerie, and the new VAs lean into the weird dream-like dialogue.
Surprised you glossed over Ernest Baldwin when he knew what Maria was and tried to tell her about herself and James. I thought it was an important part of understanding her character.
He had to gloss over some aspects to twist the narrative into what he's talking about. They do this quite often when ignoring the story and adding their own flavor.
Bloober wanted to add Born from a Wish which would further detail how she's a figment.
In the Original Born from a wish. When you examine a stiffed bear. She mentions Laura without having any knowledge of her.
@@TallicaMan1986Born from a wish shows she is not a figment. She is born from a wish but is yet independent.
That was literally the whole point of it. She expresses existential angst, entirely before anything happens.
@@HeelPower200 She really doesn't have any independence. She was being drip fed by the town, The bear in the kids room as well as the maternity she felt there, the ghost behind the door explaining to her what the deal was and she was led by the town until she met James. Like she literally got to the lake a minute before james showed up. Whatever independence you think she had was for James to experience and to manipulate him. If she was under possession from the get go. James would not have let his guard down seeing as that is Mary, spitting image of his wife. He only gained her trust because she was acting human or given that ability to experience, but at the end of the day. She is a product of SIlent Hill. Which is why she died like 3 times. The evelvator she failed to get in was by design by Silent Hill.
I hope you do a 'deconstruction of villiany" on the biggest villian in this game, james
He's someone a very special group of men like to project themselves onto...
Careful there, because just like the Madonna Whore, there's The Prince, and The Beast.
James is flawed, but not in the way you think he is. He's just as much of a hopeless romantic as his partner, he has serious dependency issues, and the worst cope of perhaps all time...
And all those 3 manifested in the act that resulted in bringing him to Silent Hill.
@@samf.s.7731 could you be any more pretentious dude?
@@chandlerburseCould you stop being afraid of thibking?
@@harisbisevac4578 if you stop being afraid of it first maybe
when i played SH2 originally as a kid i always saw Maria as a “test” of sorts for James. the town gave him an idealized version of his wife (seductive, healthy) and even then he failed to be kind to her much less save her.
I wonder if Maria is also born from Mary's wish as well. James brought her body to Silent Hill. The town might pick up any residual memory from there and add it to Maria.
James what now
@kkinthewheelchair3049 Mary's dead body is on the backseat of his car, covered by a blanket. He killed her a few days prior. It is speculated that the Water ending is what James originally intended to do when he drove to Silent Hill.
@@thegemguy1334 huh , that brings a whole new context to Maria as a character
@@thegemguy1334no? Where did was this shown?
@memoryofsalem4474 It was not shown. You have to try to look at the backseat of James's car at the start of the game. You will see something being covered by a blanket there. This is an Easter Egg based on a tweet of Masahiro, the art director of the original game, affirming that Mary's body is on the backseat, not in the trunk of James's car.
I've felt like Maria before, struggling in vain, desperately wanting and needing, and failing.
Wish she could have seen the other side of it.
This is the best analysis I’ve ever seen of Maria. I adored your style of looking closer at every scene she’s in, and analyzing how both she and James react to each other. I also really appreciate your perspective on Maria and Pyramid Head. It’s very easy to say that Pyramid Head is the “good” guy, and Maria is the “bad” guy, but both of them fill both roles. There’s a nuance there that it isn’t acknowledged in a lot of analyses of this game, so that was great to hear
The messed up part is that is not even her fault that she is going through this hell.
She's not real, but technically you're also not wrong it's the hell he put Mary through when started to neglect her during her treatment
I always viewed Maria as an extension of the Lisa Garland character and concept from the first game. Same as Team Silent took the "widowed husband who's wife died of an illness" and expanded it with a new character, they took the ambigous nature of Lisa's existence and went deeper with it for the sequel. Characters like Lisa and Maria worked narratively to show how strange and nearly limitless the power of Silent Hill is. It can essentially create life and make flesh out of memory. Really cool concepts
Yeah I think Lisa is the perfect comparison a lot of people are missing here.
@@thefearofg0ds758 no Lisa was real unlike Maria
@@Roy-rk3qz maria was a "shadow" based on the memory of someone else. Same as Lisa. The Lisa we met wasn't "real" either, but a version of her existed before(same as Maria/Mary).
Lisa had something called walking dead syndrome, so I guess that makes Maria Mary, unaware she'd already died?
I dig that.
@@thefearofg0ds758 no Lisa was a real person that knew Alesa before she died. Maria is a manifestation of James’s desire created by the town. Maria is not Mary
Maria is by no means a villain. That is a misinterpretation. In Jungian terms, she is James's projection of his anima. Projection meaning that James concretizes her and assigns specific character traits to her based on his needs and desires. In this way, he can perceive her almost as a living person and therefore develop an attachment to her. This can be a problem because it does not allow the archetype to fully manifest as shown in that Maria ending. Anima can take many forms, depending on the context. But she usually serves as a guide that facilitates progress, not a hindrance. I think the remake shows this very well. Maria actually helps James though the game and shows him support . It is sad that he just ignores her like that. But that is due to his unhealthy state of mind. Back to anima. It is rather a dynamic force that can be of much help and can be understood as a guide through the, often confusing, inner landscape. This is how I understand it anyway. Don't take my word for it. I speak from personal experience, but am not a scholar. As for Silent Hill, the interesting twist here is that the psychological phenomena get materialized and have a live of their own. Where does that leave Maria? Hard to say. She has a certain level of autonomy. Again, the right approach in Jungian terms would probably be to let go of the projection, which would effectively mean giving up Maria as a person and integrate her as an archetypal force. How one should go about doing... well, that is beyond me :D 'yo, babe, let's get ya all integrated and sh.t' probably wouldn't work here. Also, shooting her in the head is probably not the best option. :D The destruction of the feminine is rather ominous and can symbolize an inner conflict with the feminine. Be it as it may, she deserves better treatment, than to be repeatedly killed by Pyramid head and ignored by James. Although you can't really kill an archetypal figure, it is a sign that there still is problem. However, this is Silent Hill, where thing get twisted. Anyway, I have written too much here. Take care, folks :D
I am baffled by gentlemen going around giving a psychological Adam and Eve explanation to Maria. Shows we never actually truly move on from biblical themes.
What you're saying is problematic for the same reasons it is the bible. You've created a woman for the service of a man, who ended up becoming her own person, and that's apparently something they were both punished for.
It's great that you know your Jung, but didn't it remind you just a little bit of.... the bible?
And of course, the very suggestion that you want to render her less human, and more of a force is also problematic, in that its dehumanizing.
You have to approach this while granting Mary/Maria the same level of autonomy and personhood you'd given Jimbo. If you're gonna think about James's headspace, motivations, and actions in light of his life circumstances, you have to be willing to give that same level of Humanization to Mary/Maria.
A lot of thing would not only be clearer, but more interesting, if you're to think this is a journey they're both on. And if James's head gets scrambled by SH, why would you not think the reincarnated Mary would have a similar condition?
Flip this over, make her the main character, make her Mary (Start from there), have her die, and then have her reborn in SH with a mind warped to an even larger extent than James.
And analyze her as a person, from that POV, and you'll have a really good time with that one.
@@samf.s.7731 I admit that my commentary was somewhat one-sided. It's because how she is often interpreted. Come to think of it, I do not think it is very plausible due to the town's powers and how the story unfolds. She really is an independent character here, although influenced by James's psyche and cruelly manipulated by the town.
As for your point about the idea of 'creating the woman for the service of men', this has nothing to do with it. It is also not about dehumanizing her, rather seeing her as something more than a human, which she obviously is.
When you speak about the Bible, you are right that we may not move away from the biblical themes, simply because they are universal and keep coming back in different iterations. How we interpret them is a whole different thing. I am not going to analyse Bible here, though, since I have a very limited knowledge.
As for giving Maria more autonomy, that's what Team Silent did when creating the Born from a wish scenario, showing clearly that she has personality of her own, and isn't just an illusion. Bloober has done a wonderful job expanding her character. I hope they will eventually release a remake of Born from a wish.
The idea of actually making Maria a reborn version of Mary is cool. That would flip the story on its head.
Anyway, thanks for your comment! I take your points, although it feels like you somewhat misinterpreted what I said.
It's really as simple as this. Everyone one in the comment section is clearly as delusional as James
@@vegetasbulge Can you please elaborate? Simple as what? :) And yes, we are all delusional, seeing perhaps things that are not really there. But, then what does it mean 'really there'? In the end, we can't be sure and it's about the narrative and meaning we assign to things and events.
I initially thought Maria was based on a lady James might have meet at an actual strip club. Like a lady James kept stringing along saying he’d leave his wife and that he loved her but really she was a crutch for his lust and “loneliness”.
Its one of the reasons I dont see James as truly learning anything. He supposedly finds absolution in some endings; all he has to do to reach it is murder the unsympathetic version of his wife so he can reach the version he does want to interact with. "Hi Mary I just slaughtered your clone but Im really sorry I killed you, we are good right?"
Sh2 isn't about forgiveness. Its literally about letting go. Its also a study on what caretakers have to go through and how a sickness can destroy a person from the inside.
I always took Leave as the ending where he subconsciously realized something that the player doesn’t see, and Maria as the one where he doesn’t realize anything.
I don't think he finds absolution, but he's "ready" to move on. I also think James does learn something which is coming to terms with killing his wife. He didn't admit or "learn" that until close to the end. I see Maria being what James wanted Mary to be. "Murdering" her is just the physical representation of James moving on. If he fails, he doesn't move on and, doesn't learn his lesson. He can either atone for his sins, refuse to admit what he's done, or be overtaken by grief.
Also, your comment isn't about this, but because of the cult and the other world, I think Silent Hill calls out to people who have "sinned." It's not a place that guides you to salvation but to your death. So if you are willing to go through hell and "atone," then you're "free." Despite the physical state and events of silent hill, its a metaphor about trauma, battling your personal demons, and becoming your "true" self.
really good analyses, she really is an interesting character.
i really like the fact that, differently from Pyramid Head, she's not just following a script. Instead, she's actively trying to figure out a path for herself.
Which is very tragic, because even if she makes it, this would only trap James for more time in this repetitive cycle.
The idea that the city can create living, sentient beings is legit terrifying. For most of the time you assume It can only make this ephemeral nightmare constructs, but here in order to torture James It created something very close to a actual human so they could destroy her in front of him. That is another level of evil.
James being a difficult lay is one of my favorite parts of the narrative.
What I feel is really sad it that Maria wants to be the Lady of the Lake, lighting the way towards finding love. But that's Mary. She's the one that gives him the flashlight. The light at the other end of the lake is her, and Maria is just a shadow. It's also telling that while Maria wants to keep Laura safe and cares about her, you're never able to leave with both of them. This Shadow of Mary wants to leave her own prison so badly that she dooms both herself and James into the same Hell spiral for the small taste of freedom. I think Mary called Laura to Silent Hill because she wanted her last wish to be taking care of her.
James really is that meme of all men do is eat hot chip and lie the older I get lol.
I like this! In the remake when you read that story again, it's said that the moon or another light form enticed the man who was going to the Lady. He was in a trance and ended up drowning if I remember correctly. So as you said, Mary is the Lady of the Lake, but Maria is the moon (given that, I think Maria is how James really wanted Mary to be when she got sick and he was getting tired.) Or you can switch it and say Maria is the Lady of the Lake who waits on her love (how she helped him once we meet her, and you know she is attracted to him), but Mary is the moon that "distracted" him.
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I just had a thought. Silent Hill itself has themes of Rebirth. Alessa being Reborn as Cheryl and Heather. The Rebirth ending of Silent Hill 2. Maria being killed and reborn multiple times. Her links to Mary, having her memory. It's possible that Maria IS Mary reborn through the town's power.
Absolutely. Someone also pointed out that she may have a similar situation to Lisa, where she's not really aware ... She's deceased.
It's canon to the lore of the town, and the game's DLC sure emphasizes it.
and to be fair that would also be realistic since he literally brought her body to silent hill, giving the town the chance to actually revive her (I'm guessing since James had to bring her body to a certain point to resurrect her)
@@samf.s.7731 It's such a shame SIlent Hill 4 was not as good as it could have been and was not well received. It expends on the ghosts aspects of the Silent Hill universe and other things that no game after even tried.
@rancidraw Have you looked in the backseat of his car in the beginning. Bloober added an easter egg. Hehe.
@@sorackamet5558 Ikr. It was the last project of Team Silent. Here's hoping for a remake.
Maria is a Tulpa, and James most powerful monster which is why the pyramid head begins to punish James by revealing the truth. Maria is not Mary, she is his ideal version of a lover and the weight of her existence keeps James from moving on
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Maria is actually a version of Mary but created by James perception of what he wanted her to be
Kind of a gross oversimplification. First off Maria is absolutely not a Tulpa. Tulpas are something consciously created through ritual meditation. She IS what James THOUGHT he wanted Mary to be. Pyramid head has no goals other than to punish James. He’s not trying to reveal the truth. His actions DO end up revealing the truth but him Killing Maria only begins AFTER James begins to show fondness for Maria. Pyramid head is a manifestation of James desire for punishment for what he did to Mary. The ULTIMATE form that punishment can take for James is to lose “Mary” over and over again. Which is why pyramid head begins killing Maria , to punish James. He is not trying to reveal anything because Pyramid head is litterally just James’s feelings. Which is why when James accepts the truth Pyramid head kills itself. James desire for punishment has been killed by him moving on. Pyramid head isn’t sentient in any way. Maria is the only creation of the town with Sentience and SHE is the one who reveals the most truths. Because James begins to see that he didn’t really want a woman like Maria he just wanted Mary. Mary is a foil for James Sexual guilt and repression. Pyramid head is a foil for James’s guilt and desire to self punish. Both reveal different truths about different things in numerous ways. But Pyramid head really just punishes James until he feels he has paid enough and lets go of that feeling. Maria is more healing the part of James that hated Mary and showing him that he didn’t really want her any differently than she was
@@anthonylangley6843 James felt, and in a way he was right, that his life died when his wife contracted a terminal cancer, which is a fucking tragedy both in a game and real life. We never get to know what happened in those three years and we can make congetures that at the arrival of James at that town, it has been three days from Mary's death. We can only guess that James felt trapped taking care of a dying person, who once loved, and now is a little more than a vegetable.
He could either accept it and commit seppuku by water, move on and adopt Laura or move on with his new sexy version of Mary (which she will probably die sooner than later because the "magic" of Silent Hill is what kepts her alive).
"You better do something about that cough"
That was so painful to hear. We all know James is not a good person, because he killed his wife, but how can a guy that went through hell to save such wife say that?
It was moreso the cold delivery of that line that made it brutal. In the OG game, the voice actor still comes off as a bit cold (but mostly aloof). Not as menacing as the remake’s rendition of this ending.
Yeah, "you better do something about that cough... or I will" as he holds a pillow in a threatening manner. 😮
Well if you're referencing the Maria ending, I think that's because he didn't learn his lesson and is going to continue the cyle. So essentially he never takes accountability for his actions. Of course it's also a painful yet sinister reminder of what James has done and could possibly do again.
Because James sees Maria as a replacement for Mary. I think in this ending, he starts embracing his selfish side and so, he only sees Maria as someone who exists to fulfill his desires, rather than a person who actually has feelings.
Welll..because that's a version of James who saw everything Silent Hill showed him about himself...and he proceeded go the same route as Eddie: focused entirely on himself.
In other words...it's the worst version of James.
You know, as opposed to the James in the Leave or In Water ending in the remake, who sounds very much apologetic for rejecting Maria.
I loved this video and felt it was spot on. I've always held pretty much your exact stance on Maria and it really irks me how people claim she's nothing more than a malevolent succubus that wants to eat James in his sleep or something, when her real purpose is so much more tragic and even harmful towards James. I think it certainly helps understanding her if you've played the original and understood Lisa's character. I have never played Born From a Wish but caught on due to being familiar with Lisa. Looking forward to your next video analysis and hopeful for a Born From a Wish DLC.
Maria can't hurt you. She doesn't exist. (For others, not for James)
I really appreciate your game analysis videos. Started watching around GOW Ragnarok and love to see your work getting better and better. Your narrative is making me feel guided or accompanied by a some sort of a smarter friend through different games, so that I, a pretty simple person, can understand and learn from various game stories. Thanks to you I started to paying attention to the characters, themes and techniques used in games and I hope to become a Narrative Designer one day. Thank you again FatBrett and wish you all the best ❤
Haha. Every time he says she died 3 years ago it's ironically funny to me. You JUST killed her, man. What an immense amount of regret and suffering.
I love how, while this is a pretty good video, it feels like a way to tear into James because he pissed you off while playing XD
I think Maria is what James wishes Mary could be, and also the worst, ugliest parts of Mary that James couldn't tolerate. She's sexy, but she berates James just for minor things James says like the "Anyway" comment. It's like he can never do right, he's wrong even when he has good intentions. Just like how Mary treated him when he visited her at the hospital.
Great video! I have a lot more sympathy for her tragic existence. Her ‘life’ is torture.
2:40 It’s proof that we all are architects of our own suffering more than not.
this video is fantastic. ive never looked at maria so in depth before
I loved her. Can’t wait to learn and understand more of her
This was amazing man you deserve so much more love
Maria didn't do anything wrong. James made her that way.
Lol try again. SH made her that way. James was the paint, but SH made the picture.
Except the part where he didn't ask her to be that way, right? I think I'd sooner blame the town, considering that James was going to off himself before the town drew him in with a nice side effect of memory supression.
Excellent videos. I like the way silent Hill has a way to display the thymes in the gameplay, characters and setting. It's unique and I like it
I would argue that every Maria we meet shares the same memories, the same impulses, however the version of her in the Labrynth is stripped down. Simplified. This whole section of the game, be it the original or the remake, forgoes artiface and practically screams its symbols into James, Amanda, and Eddie's faces. James has descended into the deepest part of his own mind and we're left with a Maria that is broken down to her basic components. She is Mary, she is Maria, she is anything and everything James wants her to be made flesh. No free will, no individuality, she's a doll on display. Calling her Faelike is incredibly apt, she's inscrutable yet so very simple as she is here.
When she's later executed we don't talk to her long enough to get a full sense of her behavior, but she WAILS for James like she knows him. Then the final Maria in most of the endings seems to have the memories of her experiences with him as well based on how she speaks to him.
I will also say this is a SPECTACULAR video, I'm glad someone analyzed her behavior from her perspective.
Please keep making these videos ❤
Following the idea that Silent Hill is trapping both James and Mary, I can't help but wonder if Maria having that last moment with James was supposed to be a chance for Mary to find closure too. If Maria could accept her death and allow James to leave peacefully and even adopt Laura, Maria/Mary would be able to pass on and be at peace as well.
I continue to love your deconstructions and analysis. Silent Hill is such a cool series, it was totally different than other stuff which came out at the time.
To yes and:
Maria feels like a very typical reflection of how women often get abstracted in men's lives and in stories reflecting the male perspective. She's fighting a fate she literally exists for, but also we are made to see her become a monster from his perspective specifically because she fights that perspective. In the beginning she plays along in the hope for freedom, but in the end there's no hope.
She's a woman who is being fridged with each death. Maria gets brutalized by His guilt (through Silent Hill) so He gets what He wants: an externalization of His pain. Most women can empathize with the story of a woman railing against being treated like a tool made by the universe for a man to act on. Those women getting brutalized when they also have a will and act on it. Like any other abused and tormented person, Maria clings to any kind of safety even the kind that panders to their tormentor. In real life abuse survivors it re-establishes some sense of control and eliminates uncertainty.
I believe Maria has her own consciousness because unlike Pyramid Head, Maria is not an aspect of James's psychology. She is a fully materialized reflection of someone else characterized by his perspective of that person. And arguably part of James's struggle comes from not being able to accept that his wife is not an merely extension of himself. Her suffering should be his suffering from loving her, not because it's hard for him to live with. As such, Silent Hill created a reflection that also is not an extension of himself. He can't control her actions, even through the supernatural power of Silent Hill, and so she becomes a monster to overcome.
James is selfish. Any story from his perspective is going to twist every person and plot point into how it serves or hurts him and only him. The "you better do something about that cough" is probably the only part of Silent Hill that we get to see outside of his perspective and even then players, if they get that ending, have already been primed to dismiss the foulness of it.
Ultimately, I don't actually believe the game is about James learning to accept his wife's death. I think it calls to him as tormented soul like the other people trapped there, and responds to his psychology while he is there. I also don't think Pyramid Head offs himself because he "served his purpose", I think he offs himself because James doesn't want to be punished anymore. He's not a guardian angel there to guide James through therapy, he's James hurting himself.
As serious as this discussion is, I should get some credit for not making a triangle pun right there calling Pyramid Head a guardian angle. Anyway, I read the James and Maria plot line as a dark retelling of Pygmalion. His ideal woman was one who is desperate on threat of death to appease him, and he kills her too when she refuses to get put back in the toy box when he's done playing with her.
Great comment
I'm not sure the players have been primed to dismiss the cough comment by getting that ending. You have to spend more time around her to get that ending, so it always came as a gut punch that playing James to be more protective and proactive with her just results in him continuing to be brutal and selfish.
"...Jame's struggle comes from not being able to accept his wife is not merely an extension of himself..." Hard agreement. James cannot figure out on his own who Maria truly is because of his treatment of Mary. Her first death, Pyramid Head stabbed Maria in the back, mirrors James ultimate betrayal to his wife. And the blank look in her face as she stares at him. Clear symbolism. A reenactment. Maria's second appearances in the cell/hospital room is reenacting Mary's own walls she built against James. Just like how James was not reciprocating Maria's advancements, there must have been moments where Mary had enough of James and kept him at a distance. The prison bars is keeping James from Maria, but she is also quite comfortable to "wait for him"/with him far from away as well. She brings up memories she shouldn't know because they are some of Mary's own resentments and feelings that James must have ignored and repressed while together. All of Maria's earlier attempts to get through to James and seduce him could have been mirroring Mary's attempts to connect to James while she was still alive. And when James is finally "ready" to return to Maria... well... that is why he finds her in that state. They were tired of being dismissed by James + Silent Hill themes. I don't believe Maria is a different person each time James comes across her. She seems like a different person because he doesn't make attempts to understand her.
@@DT-sb3xo I feel like there's too many assumptions there....and that you're not giving Silent Hill (the town) nearly enough credit on how much it is willing to use Maria to screw with James from many different directions. Which I do believe includes how Maria changes in how she acts every time James finds her.
Plus, if James was so awful to Mary throughout their entire relationship, why bother leaving that heartfelt letter that she absolutely did not HAVE to write?
Amazing analysis. A fresh perspective that I find myself in agreement with.
Maria losing her sense of self from the effects of Silent Hill and clinging, increasingly desperately to Janes, reminds me of the nurse Lisa and how she acts towards Harry from SH1. The town breaks down people, people that are often already broken when they got there, more and more until it destroys them.
The most tragic thing about maria is that no matter how she felt or did she ends up playing the role the was forced upon her
Whether it's anger or happiness, she'll always remind James of mary and torment him as she was meant to do
I discovered your channel from your Elden Ring analyses, which I've enjoyed wholeheartedly, but these recent Silent Hill videos have been such a pleasant surprise
I hope you do some more characters, I really love hearing new takes on this game
I dunno if I'm in the only who saw this but... the original María in SH2 felt even more abrasive and assertive than her new counterpart in the Remake. In SH2 she was too seductive and even cruel, feeling like a succubus almost immediately and even the player (or at least me) also felt the same level of rejection that James felt. The faster I could get rid of her compnay, which was definitely a hindrance gameplay wise, the better.
Now, by the other hand, her Remake version, while keeping her seductive and needy leitmotifs, she felt slightly more likeable and attractive overall. Her facial expressions didn't seem so lascivious and she ommitted the cruel remarks about Mary that she said in the original script ("...or maybe, you hated her"). The toast scene at the Heaven's bar also feel like we should have had a choice to actually interact and drink with her or not (pushing higher James's destiny for his ending). She felt more attractive, cuter, the player (or at least me) felt more tempted in giving her a chance, didn't feel the same level of rejection of the original María and her new behavior felt more curious to the player to be with her more. Or maybe that's just me. I really liked this new María more over the original one.
Excellent analysis. I felt it throughout the story but couldn't put it into words and this video did it very well
I liked this video, I've been oddly fascinated with Maria recently. I'm not really sure why, I guess a mix of finding her a pleasant companion character and feeling bad for how completely doomed she is. I always felt bad whenever people shat on her acting like she was a total monster- she certainly is manipulative of James at some point, and she tries to kill him in the end, but she's not without her positive qualities and most of her ugly traits are because of the situation she's in. Maria is only how she is because of both James and the town itself.
I think it's a really cool detail you mentioned concerning the different ways she and Pyramid Head go out. Pyramid Head is a dutiful worker, the job is done so he punches his own ticket since he's not needed anymore, but Maria shows she truly has agency and tries to get revenge on James for screwing her. It gives a new perspective on that last moment before she attacks him, James was probably expecting Maria to go "Good job James you've completed your character development yay :) " and disappear into pixie dust or something, instead she becomes a freaky monster and tries to kill his ass.
I'm glad they expanded on her role in the remake. I think a lot of her line reads aren't as good as the original, and a few scenes with her kind of come across as cringey, but it was still fun getting to interact with her more. Poor girl.
12:40 is a really good observation. I thought that was a bit of a stretch for a sec but the way she moves really does look like someone trying to block someone's view. After finishing the game, a lot of what you're saying does feel right.
Hmmmm I had hoped you'd release this after they hopefully release DLC about her, but that has not been confirmed to begin with, so let's just see what you have to say here .
You're not quite there not because you haven't thought it through, but there's so much more that you can infer about her character if you think that she's her own independent person (Which you did, good for you! It's uncomon), and that she is actually the reincarnated version of his dead wife complete with repressed memories, like him.
For instance, you made the great point that she's trapped in the cell, brilliant. But there's more, there's an IV fluid in the background next to the bed. This is Mary during her illness, confined to bed, to a single room, and her only care in the world and only joy is James. She waits for him all the time.
She also notes what you noted earlier: "I am not *your* Mary", and she's on point, she has Mary, not James's version of Mary in her. Complete with her own desires, and things she didn't share.
She's fighting for her existence and longevity from the moment she's born. But like you noted, even if she's successful, she's gonna put herself and James through her disease all over again... kinda selfish NGL.
Just like how he's supposed to accept that she's dead, she's supposed to come to terms that she's supposed to die too. There's no bargaining, for both of them.
Edit: Also, people keep saying she doesn't interact with anyone, and that's not true. She does, but both are dead though.
ngl you thinking you have an objective understanding is giving "erm ackshually 🤓👆"
I have one that isn't problematic in the same way a very specific group of people would interpret this game, and particularly this character
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i think she is maria in that part. its ironic from my pov how here u unconsciously disregard maria in order to focus on mary. like another way she gets overshadowed by mary and put in that mold. but some of marys feelings u said are important to note as maria would have those too
@@novasnotvibingyes, you're talking about a guy who's talking about a 20 year old game we have been obsessing over for nearly as long. Bloober may have changed a few things, but in general. The main story is intact and many of those who've been theorizing have come a lot closer than what I've seen since the remake released.
These new series of videos come off as never hearing of silent hill before and a lot of them lack proper research such as Actually Playing Born From A Wish and quite frankly. If that never releases from the Remake. We can't consider this Silent Hill Remake canon to the actual Silent Hill 2 story. And I know they want to release Born from a Wish because it's going to add a lot of context.
Great video ive never played silent hill just been adjacentand ive never understood the concept of Maria and this is a great video!
OG VO refused to touch grass. New VO is less unhinged.
Going into the analysis of her last cutscene and getting an ad for vics vaporub is the kind of comedy only available on TH-cam
What about the actual story of the woman of light that you find in the historical society? It reveals that Maria lied about how the story goes, taking out the part of the man getting distracted by the moon, Maria being James's moon with her bracelet making it a bit obvious. Also the Maria scene you showed before her boss fight was not the same one in the Maria ending, in that one she's in the bed and never reveals she is actually Maria nor does James notice.
Wow that is really interesting i didn't notice this at all but it makes the story go so much deeper. The moon bracelet, her signifying the moon... In her version of the story she probably doesn't know that she is the moon but she feels that him going to her was as it should have been..
Seriously love your channel man, it's good to put on when I'm relaxing. You're awesome.