This series with Thomas and this current video particularly, is devastating for Islam. This makes so much sense! The SIN has been utterly destroyed and an alternative and believable History of Islam is surely taking shape. I feel angry that for so many centuries so many Western historians have accepted the SIN uncritically causing so.much damage to Muslims and non Muslims alike. This new video deseves another GIN tonic.
One thing I forgot to point out in the video. Luxenberg argues that the word “muhamnadun” has to be read in context of line three: “to him (belongs) praise” which is pronounced “la-hu l-hamdu”. “hamdu” however has the same root as “muhammadun”. It’s fairly obvious when you look at the Arabic script (last word of line 3), the two words look almost identical. Luxenberg argues that the second occurrence in the form of “muhamnadun” clearly refers to the first one in line three which necessitates the reading as “praised be”.
@@yakovmatityahu In the series I'm doing with Jay, the next one will be about the transition from "Muhammad" as a title for Jesus to the understanding of "Muhammad" as a prophet. After that, there will be a few videos on the islamisation on Spain. On my channel, the next video will be about the earliest Arabic inscription and the origin of the Arabic alphabet.
@Thomas Alexander You forget in your messy presentation to prove to us that the Jesus Christ , actually, exist. To claim that the praised one was Jesus Christ then you already made it clearly that Jesus Christ existed. Now what is your evidence that Jesus Christ existed?
@@mahmoodali1533 That's not the point of my presentation. In fact, it's entirely irrelevant for my presentation whether Jesus existed or not. The only thing that is relevant is that people believed that he did. If you want to know more about Jesus, I'd say Jay is the right person for you to talk to.
Merely taking an honest look at their oldest sources proves there are MANY HOLES in their narrative. Once again, great scholarly work, gentlemen. May many leave the darkness of islam because there are far too many holes in this darkness.
99.9999% of Muslim population do not know what they believe. Same is the case with Christians, Hindus etc. How come they change, when they do not know what they believe in? I am a christian as I was born as a christian, not by knowing all the truth of Christianity. But this work can help those who are about to go to Muslim, thinking that their teachings are better than Christianity
"If you are going to look at an inscription look at all of it. Don't just take phrases from here and there" Not a word for word quote of Jay's words but it highlights exactly the problem that Muslims seem to have. They cannot look at anything in context. Their leaders teach them to take phrases from here and there and twist everything to defend their lie, instead of accepting the truth of the whole thing in context. That is why they are still talking about their delusions of finding Muhammad in the Bible when the context always shows that it cannot possibly be Muhammad. I pray for the Holy Spirit to make the light of the gospel so bright that it will burn through the darkness of the veil. In Jesus's name. Amen.
Yes and because the Quran is written in this hotchpotch style. They can labor that point it's a change in topic etc. May the truth reach those seeking it.
All prophet from adam to last prophet they worship El/Elohim/Eloh/Allah..you guys worship creation.It doesnt matter if muhamad didnt mention in scriptures you guys didnt worship God who create Adam and creator of all creation.Who doesnt know prophet their duty only a warner.
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink That is a satanic lie. Yahweh is NOT Allah. Allah is a loser. He is so much lesser than YHWH. Muhammad made an immoral idol in his own image. YHWH says "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Allah keeps making that there is nothing wrong with Muhammad and his gang committing rape and adultery, and murder and slavery. There is not one of the ten commandments of YHWH that Muhammad did not break. Read the tafsir of Ibn kathir on Surah 4:24 and how he said that Allah said that his men could rape and commit adultery with the married women of the awtas region. Read the tafsir of Jalalayn on Surah 66:1and see how Allah is supposed to have said that it was lawful for Muhammad to commit adultery with Mariya the slave of his wife. Look at how he allowed Nika mutah and began Nika Halala. And the idol of Muhammad just kept saying all this evil filth was fine by him. Because there is no real Allah. It was just an invention to let immoral rich Arabs do evil and claim that their idol was fine with it.
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink Jesus, on the other hand, is in the Old Testament many times for example: Isaiah 9:6. "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, *_Mighty God_* , Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." The Messiah was always going to be called Mighty God. And yet in Christianity you cannot have 2 gods. So how can the word of God in Isaiah say that the Messiah will be mighty God. The only way for both these things to be true is for the Messiah and the Father to be distinct manifestations of THE SAME GOD. But the writer of the Qur'an and the supposed god of the Qur'an don't even know what Christians believe, or the Jews. No Christian believes that Mary is a goddess. No Jew ever thought that Usair was a son of God. It is foolish human false teachings and propaganda. Look at the contradictions in the Qur'an. Allah changes his mind more often than I change my socks. He flipflaps around like a fish just out of the water. Everything in Islam is a fake and a counterfeit and a scam. Allah is a fake. Muhammad is a fake. The Qur'an is a fake. Mecca is a fake. All your arguments are fakes. Follow Surah 10:94 or you will end up in the lake of fire.
Really great presentation. When you translate Muhammad to Benedict it made me think of the elements of the SIN that could have been gleaned from St. Benedict. He fled to the cave of Subiaco, wrote a rule, and has the daily prayers scheduled in his rule. Also he lived close to this era. Pax
Son, Servant, Dependant, Student, Submissive,Patience Father, Master, Responsible, Teacher, Dominant,Conviction Invoking both in yourself will praise Gods Holy Spirit. Which is what Jesus taught us.
The material you guys are spreading is dangerous to talk about and interesting too. But great work guys. keep spreading the truth. I love what you guys are doing. God bless
This Shahada is definitely talking about JESUS CHRIST... For He is the Praised One...Islam is falling apart.Thank you Thomas and Dr Jay for another great work.💙💙💙
Islam is certainly falling apart but the shahada is not talking about Jesus Christ for obvious reasons. The 'complete' extended shahada as per Islam (includes Shiahs) proclaims that "there is no god but God and Muhammad is His messenger and Ali is his vicegerent". As per Quran, the shahada excludes Muhammad and Ali. Obviously then, Jesus was neither a god nor The God because The God of Islam, i.e. Allah was a moon God named Hubal (or Dushara - disputed) and Ali was not Jesus's vicegerent.
It makes sense. It has its place in history. The Dome has a meaning in the historical context. The inscriptions are claiming a theological point perfectly meaningful. Abd al Malik needed to unify his empire politically and theologically with a new legitimacy. It works.
The Benedictus qui venit is from matthew 23:39. Let's see how the Arabic bible translates this. مبارك الآتي باسم الرب The parallel is drawn between two phrases that are too far removed in time and context. There is no mohamed mentioned. Epithets and titles in Arabic are usually preceded by the definitive article al. If the name were an epithet originally, then it would impossibly to explain why it does not appear, even a single time, with the definitive article. It also doesn't make any sense that Jesus is named by name and title Al Masih. But at this first (supposed) mention be kept anonymous. It doesn't make any sense. Verse 47:2 also totally debunks this claim of Mohamed being an epithet. 'Believe in what is sent down to Mohamed'. Imagine if we would translate this as praised be. 'Believe in what is sent down to praised be'.🤣😂 There are 7th century quranic manuscripts of this verse. It has an earlier paleography than the dome of the rock. Why would the Quran want people to obey the messenger if the messenger was not alive?😁 Jesus is denied to be god. Why should people obey a messenger that is not alive or on earth and can't hear you?😁 If the Quran is a Christian text. Why does the Quran has more to say about Moses than Jesus? Why would a Christian liturgical writing be all about Moses instead of Jesus?🤔 This is so poor. This is not scholarship. This is forcing the 'enlightenment' ideology of Inarah into the text. A colonial mentality to rewrite history and strip the Arabs from their own history.
@@zackeo80 I'm using their translation of Muhamed abd allah wa rasuluhu in the dome of the rock. They translated Mohamed as 'praised be'. I used their translation in 47:2. I'm glad you agree with me that they don't know Arabic.👍🏼 You agree with me that praised be as a translation is absurd.👍🏼
@@alonzoharris6730 there is ZERO connection between Quran and Sunni-Shia. Sunni-Shia, new religion created by the Abbasid. They believe in the books after Quran, like Sirah and Hadith.
The verses which are mentioned here, from quran are referring to verses from quran mentioned below which proofs Jesus son of mary is the Messiah and the beloved one, it’s all about Him; Death & resurrection of Jesus Christ Soorah Al Emran:55 Allah says Jesus I made you to die and brought you up to myself 5:117 Jesus saying to Allah: when you made me to die, you became watcher over them (people) Mariam 19:22 Peace be upon him who was born died and resurrected
@@rahmahlombard3217 I suggest you keep up with what scholars have come up, Mohammed is purely a title, initially for Jesus, but also warlords used it as a nom de guerre No Historical Evidence for the traditional Islamic narrative whatsoever Mohammed (praised one) was a TITLE not a person, the first time the title was used was on a CHRISTIAN coin around 660, and the Mohammed on this coin was JESUS. Indeed the first three Mohammed's in the Quran are referring to Jesus, and Arab Christians used the title Mohammed to refer to Jesus at least until the mid 8th Century. There’s No 7th Century historical evidence for the Mohammed of Islam in Arabia, the fictional prophet Mohammed was a later redaction by the Abbasids in the late 8th-9th centuries. Definitely no 7th Century Qurans, for example the most popularly read Quran is the Hafs, canonised Cairo inn1924, then by Egypt in 1936 (even though it’s not a Quran that was recognised early on) because in their Islamic exams they were getting different answers from different schools using different Qurans, and then Saudi canonised it in 1985 for the same reasons. The oldest part of the Quran (pre Islam) is a lectionary by Christian preachers from Merv for Arab Christians, which was written partly in Aramaic, and the Arabic of that time, which would not necessarily by understood by Arabs now. The Abbasids completely distorted the Quran to suit their agenda. No archaeological evidence for a cosmopolitan Mecca in Arabia in the 7th Century, at best it was a hamlet in a dustbowl, and the Quran doesn’t describe Mecca or Medina, but somewhere much more fertile There’s no 7th Century historical evidence for the Rightly Guided Caliphs in Arabia, or any 7th documentation or artefacts, inscriptions etc., whatsoever Muslims can only come up with 8th, 9th and 10th stories started by the Abbasids in the middle of the 8th Century As of yet no Muslim or even Muslim Scholars and Historians have found any historical evidence for the Abbasid narrative Islam as Muslims believe it be, is a fraudulent ideology In other words, Islam as it's followed is complete nonsense!
@@rahmahlombard3217 Hilarious 😂 Dates that cause concern; dates referring to an individual are the dates of their death 647; 15 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, in a letter written in 647 by the patriarch of Seleucia he makes no reference to the Arab conquerors as Muslims, or show any awareness of a religion called Islam There are no Rock inscriptions or coins or artefacts from the 7th Century about a Mohammed of Islam 680; 48 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, in none of Muawiya’s (who defeated Ali in 661 and was a Christian) documents, inscriptions, or coins is there any mention or reference to the Mohammed of the Quran and Islam. Indeed, they show Persian Zoroastrian and Christian influences. Circa 680; the first time Mohammed is on a coin done by the Ghassanids and that MOHAMMED IS REFERRING TO JESUS 691; 59 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is when the term Muslim started to be used (from the Dome of the Rock), up until then they called themselves Saracen, Hagarian, Ishmaelite, Maghraye and Muhajiroun. 691; 59 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first time that the word Islam is recorded, which is in the Dome on the Rock, which Abd al Malik had built. 692; 60 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first time there is reference to Mohammed (praised one), and that is on a coin, which also has the image of Abdul al Malik holding a sword. However, this is Abdul al malik calling himself the ‘Praised One’ The term ‘Mohammed’ was often used as the Nom de Guerre of Arab leaders Sudha as Ilyas ibn Qabisah 696; 64 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death (outside of the Dome of the Rock), is the first time there is Islamic style writing which is on a Coin with no images and a form of the Shahada, done by Abdul al Malik 741; 109 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first historical reference to Mecca, 109 years after Mohammed’s death, and that it is in Iraq, not Arabia, Mecca was a dustbowl 765; 133 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, tradition has it that Ibn Ishaq writes first biography of Mohammed? But none of his material exists 833: 201 years after the Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first biography of THE FICTIONAL Mohammed (Sira) which is by Ibn Hisham, and he only writes down the material he likes which (according to tradition) was handed down to him via his teacher from Ibn Hisham, and eliminates the material he doesn’t like. Ibn Hisham is the first person to write down Mohammed’s genealogy, 201 years after Mohammed’s death. This breaks a fundamental principal of a biography, which should be based on eyewitness accounts. 870; 238 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, the first Hadith (sayings, rulings and behaviours of Mohammed) are attributed to Al-Bukhari who realizing that oral translation wasn’t satisfactory, wrote down the narrations some 238 years after THE FICTIONAL Mohammed’s death. Tradition has it that Al-Bukhari is given 600,000 narrations, and he whittles them down to 7,397 (nine volumes) narrations that he considered to be reliable. But when you take into account repetitions and variances of the same report, the number is only 2,602. However, the first Hadith (one volume) is only found in the 11th Century, and it is not until the 17th Century that you get all nine volumes together, and there is no original manuscript by Al-Bukhari. Hadith derives from the Arabic root ḥ-d-th meaning “to happen” and so “to tell a happening,” There is a small sect of Muslims that completely reject the Hadiths. 923; 291 years after the death of the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Quran is when the Tafsir, which is commentaries on the Quran, and the Tarikh which is concerned with Muslim history is written. The author At-Tabari was born in Amol (1122 miles from Medina) and died in Baghdad, 838 miles from Medina No one knows when the first of the Qurans in the Hafs format was actually completed
@@rahmahlombard3217 😂 Provide 7th Century historical evidence for 1. A Mohammed of Islam in Arabia in the 7th Century 2. A cosmopolitan Mecca and Medina in Arabia in the 7th Century 3. A complete Quran/Qurans that match the Hafs from the 7th Century Arabia BTW the differences between just the Hafs and Warsh Qurans amount to 5,000 variations 4. Evidence for your rightly guided Caliphs I don’t want 8th, 9th or 10th century stories
@@simonhengle8316, it is strange you are so concerned about Islam, why don't you fix the Bible, I mean, so then Islam is a threat for you, thousands of Christians revert to Islam, what is then wrong in the Christian scriptures, let me see, oh, I was there, when I found out, a lot of stuff in the Bible is not God's word, and I ask questions, the priests say for me, just belief, no, God give me a hungry brain to search for the truth,
Excellent work... The conclusions are very interesting... I would like to hear more about the historical evidence for & against the existence of Muhammad as an individual. 🙏
I can't believe and am mad as no one has revealed what was scripted on the dome of the rock for years and leaving this cult religion has become such a monster.
14:12 "There is no God but God alone" I think we can trace to a Syrian origin too which then makes complete sense of how it all came about. Pines (1984) has shown that “la ilah illa Allah” & “la ilah illa huwa” are translations into Arabic of slogans used in Judeo-Christian polemics during the previous centuries. A Greek form of the Tawhid exists in the pseudo-Clementine Homilies, XVI:7, 9: Heis estin ho theos kai plen autou ouk estin. (God is One, there is no God except Him.) It is dated to the early 4th century. When you compare that with what Luxenberg has rendered it, it is obvious that there is a clear link: Luxenberg: There is no God but God alone. the pseudo-Clementine Homilies, XVI:7, 9: God is One, there is no God except Him.
Really enjoyed this presentation!!! I better understand the anachronism that Jay circles back to at the end of the presentation. It is clearer in my mind now, how it is not logical to take 833 interpretations and impose them back on 691. This anachronism is more apparent to me now. Thanks Guys!!! Did you see the comment by the Portuguese guy? Marcio Astor. Trèz interesting. Merci beaucoup.
At around 4:13 I see Luxenberg's translation of "Sala" is "bless". In English we read "God bless him, and (may there be) God's grace and love upon him." The Arabic is "Sala Allah alaihi wa ssalaam alaihi wa rahmat Allah" which is intriguingly close to the modern "Sala Allah alaihi wa sallem" (S.A.W.), usually translated by "peace be upon him". This has been a subject of controversy because, taken literally, without reference to Aramaic, it appears that Allah prays for/to/upon Muhammad. And how can the one and only God pray since you only pray to a superior being. Therefore it would be interesting to find out more why in this case Luxenberg translates the Arabic "prayer" into "bless" in English.
This is so interesting. These inscriptions look like the Quran but they are not exactly the Quran. Muslims normally don't accept texts that "look like the Quran" but they do accept this. It's obvious to think that the Quran got derived from this and then later on the rest got added.
@@alonzoharris6730 thats manuscripts has nothing to do with Sunni and Shia today. Muslim according to Quran itself are Christian and Jews who follow the books before the Quran (Qs 4:136). Unlike Sunni and Shia, they are non-Muslim, who believe the books after Quran like Sirah and Hadith. So, Sunni and Shia are really new religion, created during the time of the Abbasid. They also invented "prophet muhammad" in their Sirah and Hadith.
Thank you Thomas, great work again. Regarding the word “الاسلم" on the inscription, it is read as “al aslam”, meaning the “more correct” or the one that agrees with God. I can see how it was later used to sound like “al Islam” to indicate that the religion that God agrees with is Islam. Is this correct?
Hello Fay, I really like the way you're thinking. I think this sounds very plausible. I did take my time to respond because I wanted to double-check with Luxenberg again. He does read it as l-'islam, but according to him this is not a reference to a religion, but simply means something along the lines of "conformity / agreement / concord". So he is saying something similar. The inscription says that the people of the book fell into disagreement and only the "conformity / agreement / concord" with scripture can safe them.
The first tlme i learn that this word is written الاسلم which means the most accurate or correct. It really makes sense because the conflict between trinity and oneness of God is the only theme of the inscriptions. To my knowledge many scholars tried to explain the word الاسلم but as الاسلام al islam and this has led them to wrong directions. My question: Is the word to be read الأسلم ?. Why the majority of scholars including the germans read it الإسلام ?. Thank you.
@@dakhla3254 this was just my assumption because we find many words in the Quran written without the Alif el mad ألف المد but Thomas mentioned that Luxenberg read it as الاسلام. It is very interesting indeed. Thank you for your comment.
I have been riveted by these talks from Thomas. I hope there are more to come. The reconstruction of Proto Islam is very convincing. What I am eager for at this point is a detailed explanation of Islam’s development moving forward from Abd al Malik. The TH-cam sleuths will refer to the role of the Abbasids, but they haven’t connected the dots, at least as far as I can tell. I hope that can happen. God bless you all!
This is the Lesser Doxology of the Orthodox Church, with which Arabs at that time might well have been more familiar than with Catholic liturgical norms: We praise You! We bless You! We worship You! We glorify You and give thanks to You for Your great glory! O Lord God, Heavenly King, God the Father Almighty! O Lord, the Only-Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit! O Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, Who take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us! You, Who take away the sins of the world, receive our prayer! You, Who sit on the right hand of God the Father, have mercy on us! For You alone are holy, and You alone are Lord. You alone, O Lord Jesus Christ, are most high in the glory of God the Father! Amen! ... To You belongs worship, to You belongs praise, to You belongs glory: to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen. The Orthodox have a Sanctus word for word the same as Catholics. But this Doxology looks more similar in form to the Dome of the Rock inscription than the Sanctus does. The Doxology is specifically to praise God, including to praise his nature. The Sanctus is a part of the Anaphora, the preparation for Communion. Anti-trinitarian theology would completely reject eucharistic sacrifice but it would certainly accept credal statements of the type of the Gloria (Doxology). The Dome of the Rock inscription here certainly looks like a credal statement: what we believe. Clearly, the beliefs expressed are quite different but the expression in the Doxology "To You belongs worship, to You belongs praise" is very close to line 3 of the inscription "to Him belongs sovereignty, to Him belongs praise". It is interesting that Christian praise language addresses God as "You" while the Muslim praise is in the third person "He".
@@David-kz2im is there an Arabic expert who can clarify these things from a Middle east Christian point of View...i mean that fact that Jesus is the blessed one/praised one(Muhammed)...why not bring a middleast christian bishop or a senior expert in ancient church history of middle east who could confirm this???
@@yakovmatityahu For instance, a leader of the Church of the East, which might have more living experience of Syrian theology and liturgics. My understanding is that Latin crusaders had a substantial effect on Levantine Christianity, so Lebanese/Syrian Christianity might have less connection with this ancient traditions?
Lots jumps out as interesting in this, but for some reason what will be the thing I remember is that in English the name Mohammad can be translated to Benedict. Next time I meet someone called Mohammad I will probably start calling then Benny.
I’m currently working on a book where I bring all this information together. It won’t be geared towards polemics though, I try to be as neutral as I can. But the implications will speak for themselves. And it will have all the references to 1 1/2 centuries of published studies for anyone who wants to dig in deeper into any specific topic.
This is Thomas' material, not mine. He is writing the book (as we speak), and will have it out for you to read, and when he does, we will be the first to have him on Pfanderfilms to advertise it, so that you can also buy it. Nonetheless, my job is to then use it in a polemical context, something Thomas will not do, as he is an academic purist (bless his heart).
Thank you Thomas and Jay another masterpiece from you...i have a question that could the shahada be inspired from an Apocalyptic call switch given in the Bible which should he spoken by Jews to bring the messiah to save them...Jesus told this sentence "Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord"...Jews need to utter this for messiah to come in the end times...is it possible that Arabs were uttering the same words in hopes of Brining the messiah back in 7th century...this word latter took the shape of Muhammed (Blessed be the one)????
@@didierfavre2356 i believe this is the issue...the Jews and arabs were looking to bring the messiah back to earth...so they read Jesus's words to bring him back to earth...he said "you(jews) will not see me unless you say "Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord""....so this is the call switch to bring messiah back...they tried to call this and failed because it was not spoken by the people who need to speak this(jews) and not the arabs.
@@yakovmatityahu the historical muhammad tried to rebuilt the temple in Jérusalem, first they conquered the city than they rebuilt the temple to call jesus but it didnt happen, thats when the arab and judeo-nazarin went to war, thats how the first part of the quran is jew and the second part purely arab.
@@keezemojito1278 good point that arabs built a structure over the temple mount because Bible tells thay before messiah comes there needs to be a temple in Jerusalem...so they built the temple and were calling on the messiah by saying "Blessed one"...but Jesus didnt come because it was arabs who spoke that not Jews.
@@keezemojito1278 i now don't believe that their was a historical Muhammed...the real Muhammed is the "Blessed one who comes in the name of the Lord"...Jesus.
As a native portuguese speaker, it really sounds funny when he makes the distinction between the name "Benedictus" and the past participle "benedictus". We have this name in portuguese " Benedito", but the past participle is "bendito", so it is really funny to think of a guy called "Benedito" coming in the name of the Lord.
So next step for Islam remove the original Mosque so it does not contradict the sin. How can anyone dispute the fact that they turned Jesus into Momo who is not a man just 3 words the praised one, meaning Jesus. Thanks guys you killed it on this...
Malachi is also not a proper name but rather means “my messenger” and was known as “the seal of the prophets” in some syrian christian communities as Malachi is the last book of the OT, so there is certainly exists precedent for this naming convention
The section comparing the Sanctus with the Dome inscription seems to be extremely tangential, almost to the point of non existence. Besides, why quote the Sanctus in Latin? In the east, it would have been known in Greek, probably St James’ Liturgy, I’d imagine.
I watch a lot of Islamic history from various channels, one of which is from Joe / Red Judaism. Will you be recording with him again, if so, can you guys discuss Inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock's inner and outer amulatory, if I'm not mistaken there seems to be a discrepancy in the analysis and it's confusing me.
I have just recorded 3 episodes with Joe, with more to come concerning how we can interpret not only these inscriptions, but many of the verses of the Qur'an itself which have been 'bastardized' by the later Abbasid's Arab impositions.
Excellent! Please watch the video of the Coptic Orthodox Church: "Church history Full Series, 1st -5th century" Channel: Theology Academy, Time:1:35:22. There you will find the fight of the church with heresies. Here are the early roots! That channel provides videos in English and Arabic language.
I always sayd the sahada is about JESUS FOR ME TE REAL SAHADA IS THERE IS NO GOD BUT YHWE AND JESUS THE MOST PRAYSD ONE IS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD. MEANING THE DEVINEMESSENGER OF GOD.
But in new testament not even a single word yahweh exist in it.Plus yahweh doesnt have child.When say Rasullullah means messenger of Allah..jesus also a rasul bcs He worship Allah..they just Allah slave.
Great to see the dome inscriptions and context. Thomas always gives clear presentations. Murad was the first I heard to mention Mohammed being a name for Jesus, who was the original to conclude this?
The Benedictus qui venit is from matthew 23:39. Let's see how the Arabic bible translates this. مبارك الآتي باسم الرب The parallel is drawn between two phrases that are too far removed in time and context. There is no mohamed mentioned. Epithets and titles in Arabic are usually preceded by the definitive article al. If the name were an epithet originally, then it would impossibly to explain why it does not appear, even a single time, with the definitive article. It also doesn't make any sense that Jesus is named by name and title Al Masih. But at this first (supposed) mention be kept anonymous. It doesn't make any sense. Verse 47:2 also totally debunks this claim of Mohamed being an epithet. 'Believe in what is sent down to Mohamed'. Imagine if we would translate this as praised be. 'Believe in what is sent down to praised be'.🤣😂 There are 7th century quranic manuscripts of this verse. It has an earlier paleography than the dome of the rock. Why would the Quran want people to obey the messenger if the messenger was not alive?😁 Jesus is denied to be god. Why should people obey a messenger that is not alive or on earth and can't hear you?😁 If the Quran is a Christian text. Why does the Quran has more to say about Moses than Jesus? Why would a Christian liturgical writing be all about Moses instead of Jesus?🤔 This is so poor. This is not scholarship. This is forcing the 'enlightenment' ideology of Inarah into the text. A colonial mentality to rewrite history and strip the Arabs from their own history.
I’ve heard it first from Christoph Luxenberg in the early 2000s. But I have to admit that I do t know if he was the first. It wouldn’t surprise me if others had this idea much earlier as it seems to be rather obvious. But Luxenberg was probably the first to systematically analyse the language and grammar used in this regard to come to his rather conclusive result.
@@TAlexander Gallez also took this into account. He also established that the early meaning of "muhammad" was not "praised be" or "the one who has been praised (or is to be praised)", but "desired", "the one who is to be desired", which is very very close to the Aramaic brīḵ in Mt 23,39. I checked with Luxenberg : he fully agrees with this. Gallez also proved that the muhammad occurence in 47,2 is an interpolation. So much for our good friend Alonzo's "debunking"
@@OdonLafontaine Verse 47:2 is an interpolation? Gallez must be out of his mind. We have many Quranic manuscripts that predates the dome of the rock of verse 47:2. One of them is Codex Is. 1615 I. Fragments from five folios of Is. 1615 I have been radiocarbon dated by the ETH, Zürich (Switzerland), under the auspices of the Corpus Coranicum project. The combined results give the date 591-643 CE with a confidence level (2σ) of 95.4%. The Paleography is also earlier than the inscriptions in the dome of the rock. Maybe Gallez is not up to date? Or he is dishonest?
Great work as usual, I just don’t agree about the Monophysite idea, I think the dome of the rock completely denies the divinity of Christ, the teaching of the Monophysitism is straight forward denial of Christ s humanity, the inscription is more Arian or Nestorian if you look at it from the point of Christ having 2 hypostasis, and in this case you can deny the divinity of Jesus since there is no union of the 2 natures.
Yes, I think you’re referring to a part where Jay misspoke. The Dome of the Rock is clearly an anti-Trinitarian monument. As such it is related to Arianism, but different still. Arians didn’t deny the divine origin of Jesus after all. PS: Monophysites didn’t and don’t reject Jesus humanity, they just conceptualise it differently as being in one hypostasis with his divine nature. PPS: I’m using the term “Monophysites” in the way it has been established in the past, i.e. synonymously with “Miaphysites”.
@@TAlexander the Monophysite belief assumes the human nature has dissolved in the divinity as Eutyches said a drop of vinegar in the ocean!!! So basically the body of Christ was not a real body and in that sense you could say “they crucified him not” since he had no real body. That is a denial of humanity.
Many thanks, Thomas and Jay, for this video. Joe of Red Judaism has ventured a contrasting proposition concerning the early inscriptions, considering the milieu of that place and time, namely that they were aimed at Karaite Jews: he tenders that Christians would have had no religious reason to visit the Rock to pray, unlike Karaite Jews (Rabbinic Jews were forbidden by their own teachers to do so), so a messianic declaration (albeit monophysite, non-adoptionist, and non-Byzantine) lauding Jesus was propaganda or yah boo sucks (my words, not Joe’s) aimed at Karaites: “It’s got nothing to do with insulting Christians; it’s got plenty to do with insulting Jews…unless you’re a Hebrew messianist.” However, while SIN-sifters have differing perspectives of this nature, and differing points of consideration, what has remained throughout is centrality of Jesus in the origins of what became Islam.
Ebed is son and not servant. The text is against tritheism and adoptionanism. The text refers to the scripture. And the scripture says that Jesus is the Son of God. There is also a part of the letters of Hebrew commenting the Psalm 8. Jesus is more than the angels. There is no criticism of Trinity. The criticism in the quran comes later. The "associators" are the arians. They were regarded by the church fathers (St. Athanase, St. Gregor of Nazanianz) as tritheists.
Do you think there is the relationship between the polemics against the Bizantine Christians in the 7th century and the schism of 1050? Did the "Muslims" take out the Eastern Side of Christianity? This would give motive to create another religion, specifically one that is built on the sword?
I’m not sure if I understand your question correctly, but I would say: No, there is no connection. The cracks were already forming after the Council of Chalcedon where after the Roman delegation left, the Greeks voted on putting the Patriarch of Constantinople on the same level as the Pope in Rome which was an affront towards Rome and lead to the Pope refusing to sign the final documents. He only signed them years later but he explicitly excluded the part about the status of the Patriarch of Constantinople. It’s important to understand that the Patriarch of Constantinople really was an “upstart” in the view of many Christians, given the fact that his see had no Apostolic tradition. He only became important by virtue of the Roman capital being moved there. Despite some theological differences developing over the centuries (e.g. single vs. double procession or leavened vs. unleavened bread) it seems to me as a classic power play. At the time of the Schism, the Greek Christians were in the majority and the Patriarch wanted to establish his position vs. the Pope. The Muslims (or rather the Turks) certainly weakened the Greek Orthodox side later on. Earlier though, due to the Muslim takeover of the Near East, the other two important bishops with a strong apostolic tradition (Antioch & Alexandria) were in fact taken out, strengthening the Pope’s position as the last one standing. Though even before, the split of Monophysitism away from Catholicism was in fact a first Schism where Alexandria led the way.
Great video!! We really appreciate all this excellent information! Can someone help explain why the Dome of the Rock was built? Since Muslims believe it was built to commemorate the ascension of Muhammed into heaven.
Why the dome of the rock talks about Jesus is because it resides in Jerusalem and right there a new and ruling religion would obviously have to make clear it's objectives with respect to the region it reigns over. Simple alternative explanation. Text on the dome of the rock is a message to trinitarian Christians at that time.
Interesting. Recaredo, the Visigothic king of Hispania, converted from Arianism to Catholicism in 587. Arianism is a Christian heresy according to which Jesus Christ does not have a divine nature. The Moors who invaded Hispania a century and a bit later, in 711, were not Muslims, but essentially Arians, that is, Christians. If this is so, the Moors who invaded Spain had not even heard of this Muhammad or Mecca.. Islam gradually developed later, over the centuries, as a perversion of Arianism through the invention of a certain Muhammad and a very long list of outrages he committed and all kinds of nonsense that he said. Then Islam moved further and further away from Catholicism until it became practically the opposite. In fact, "Muhammad" (meaning "the blessed one") is a title applied to Jesus Christ. And this title "Mohammed" was used as a vehicle to invent this new sinister "prophet".
I wonder when the first mosques made from scratch began to appear? All the earliest ones are pre-existing buildings stolen.and reappropriated as mosques. If an inscription spells the sicalled divine name as 'allah, it is distinctly islamic. A Christian or Jewish or other preislamic inscription would instead be using 'ILAH or 'al-'ILAH, neither of which are related. The Churches that became the dome of the rock and al-'aqsa mosques were Trinitarian Catholics.
The first mosque that was without a doubt Islamic (also the first one to point towards Mecca) is the Great Mosque of Samarra, completed in 851 AD. Though there is a long grey area of 100 years before that during which the anti-Trinitarian Christianity of the Arabs evolved into Islam. It’s difficult to say at which point we’re no longer looking at Christians but at Muslims as it was a gradual change. Personally, if I had to draw a line, then it would probably be around 825 AD, so any mosque built afterwards in the Near East would therefore have been Islamic by definition. Though in a way that’s of course an arbitrary line. But certainly by 851, we’re clearly looking at Muslims, so the Samarra mosque is a good guess.
@pfanderfilms. Thanks for presenting this essential information. Do you still offer your course on arguing with Muslims ? I would like to gain this knowledge.
Jesus is the Mohammed. Muslims, seriously: no more destroying your spiritual life, your earthly life and your afterlife. Drop the fictional Mohammed. Come to Jesus where you belong. In Jesus you will find love, truth, beauty and eternal life. All praise be to God.
Alright the you say jesus is God right So answer me this in Arabic people attribute Al to God's attributes and if muhammad was really title your say jesus is not God cause the Arabs used Al for God's attribute and there is a word for The praisedone and its Alhamid and yea as for sebeos bishop he clearly explicitly says there was a man named Muhammad and BTW we have more evidence for Muhamamd rather than jesus
If the dome of the rock sopusedly mentions Muhammad as rasul wait there I have a doubt for ya why is not there a verse in dome of the rock by Muhammad name and jesus attribute like Muhammad ibn Marriyam and why futhere does the dome of the rock mention jesus name as Isa ibn marriam and yea if you see 4:55 clearly in the video it's written o people of the scripture which indicate there was another abrahamic religion other than jews and Christians
Interesting. Recaredo, the Visigothic king of Hispania, converted from Arianism to Catholicism in 587. Arianism is a Christian heresy according to which Jesus Christ does not have a divine nature. The Moors who invaded Hispania a century and a bit later, in 711, were not Muslims, but essentially Arians, that is, Christians. If this is so, the Moors who invaded Spain had not even heard of this Muhammad or Mecca.. Islam gradually developed later, over the centuries, as a perversion of Arianism through the invention of a certain Muhammad and a very long list of outrages he committed and all kinds of nonsense that he said. Then Islam moved further and further away from Catholicism until it became practically the opposite. In fact, "Muhammad" (meaning "the blessed one") is a title applied to Jesus Christ. And this title "Mohammed" was used as a vehicle to invent this new sinister "prophet"
2nd paragraphe : Can be '' Muhammad is the slave of al-Lah and the one sent by him '' - ''Muhammad 'abdu al-Lahi wa rasuluhu'' ... jusr mentionning that translation 🙏
What's so funny is now they that Jesus is Mohammed. All those inscriptions are verses from the Quran, which you can find similar in all Mosques. In those inscriptions the word ALLAH is mentioned. Jay believes that GOD isn't synonymous with ALLAH.
yes, Jay has videos about coins from that time and Mecca (which doesn't appear in any source before the 8th century). Mohammed arrives in the Sira literature (around 700 a.d.) and after that comes a flood of Hadith whith very detailed escriptions of events, though it is accepted even by Muslim Scholars that many of them were fabricated.
In Syriac, Jesus (Yeshua) is written similarly as Muhammad is written in Arabic. In 33:40, the Quran states that Muhammad was not the father of any man (that status was of Jesus). In the Quran, Muhammad is never mentioned as a prophet and neither any scripture given nor Quran revealed to him. Mecca didn't exist during Muhammad's time.
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus Dóminus Deus Sábaoth. Pleni sunt caeli et terra glória tua. Hosánna in excélsis. Benedíctus qui venit in nómine Dómini. Hosánna in excélsis.
@@yakovmatityahu They do. Until the implementation of Vatican II, I was singing it in Latin during mass. Now, its translation in French is in use. During the time Latin was in use, the prayers and songs book I used had the Latin text and its French translation side by side. I did not notice any change in the present day French text.
No doubt, Jesus is the Mohammad, the Praised One but Jesus doesn't have any characteristics of their or Islamic Mohammad. Praise be to God and His beloved Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. May God enlighten the eyes of Muslims who are groping in the dark and lead them to the Light of the World Jesus. 🙏
Aren’t they also attaching the Jewish Old Testament imposition of God’s divinity alone. Is it translated as the inscription reads - Allah in Arabic for God? Did they use Isa for Jesus! Is Miriam used for Mary?
Hi and thanks. The inscriptions exc muhammed, reveal the praised or blessed messenger/angel of the father is Christ, his son, the word in the beginning speaks for his father, he is also God. God /Christ did not have a child, he was a man, flesh, God, who did not have children on earth, so the inscriptions are not wrong, its about Christ. They discuss the trinity.
Is the use of "Muhammad" as a title rather than a name somehow related to "Abd Al Malik" seeming to be a title? Perhaps Abd al Malik was keen on titles as a way to express power, and everyone at the time would have known who the title referred to
(Almost) v.good. By analogy, the name "Adam" in Bible is a personalized one of the Hebrew 'adam" meant "the human", and "he" form the Hebrew "adamah' meant "the ground". Again in this lecture, it was ignored the comments on the verse(s): "He gives life and makes people die"(on the Doom of Rock and later in Quran) but the same is found also in Bible's passages, even Isaiah II, 45:17 or Deuteronomy 32:39 ("I cause death and give life" and all these is contrary to the Book of Wisdom of Solomon 1:13" For God did not make death, and takes no pleasure in the destruction of any living thins;he created all things that they might have being"(The New English Bible with the Apocrypha,1979, Oxford). It easily to explain: Jewish writers were still in the process of evolution to understand the meaning of the term"God/YHWH. It would be very strange is such passages originated among Christians or Jews; maybe some lunatics as there are plenty still on the proper understanding the term "Trinity" and that Jesus himself did not claim to be God (probably the historical Jesus-Mark 10:18, John 14:28- of course, forgotten by Christian lunatics). I've commented a few times already; more, on May 7,AD 2019 I was attacked by such Idiots requiring me to quit otherwise Police would be called,at Univ. Parish of St.Patrick at Sin And Redemption Pub, Toronto at Pub night DEbate, here on Trinity. I showed them mercy still and quit it; They (And Bishop) have not shown any sign of repentance yet and probably forever
Context is king The whole counsel of God Jesus clearly talks as Divine in origin HE was crucified ✝️ for “blasphemy”‼️ Name calling is very poor Only God knows everything if we think we do it’s PRIDE 🎈
@@P.H.888 Don't be silly( a mortal sin-Mk7:22, also in:St. Thomas Aquinas). Your "the whole counsel of God",etc..- it proves you( your "experts") do not have a clue on the basics of the Bible's hermeneutics. Maybe u will repent
It is named after Arius who according to Wikipedia lived c. 250 or 256-336. Paul of Samosata of Antioch had similar anti-Trinitarian ideas and he lived from 200 to 275 AD.
The core message of Christianity is that Jesus is the Messiah, Son of the Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit- same in substance, but distinct in subsistence), He fulfills the Scriptures, He died on the cross for the sins of mankind, and He rose from the dead to give eternal life to all who call upon Him ✅💙💯
Your Faith. God is the param atma, the concious mind of the universe and beyond. The WORD of God is in God and is God. The Spirit of God is in God and is God. The Word and Spirit of God can be with God and it can go to perform the bidding of God. Hence God is the param atma with His Word and Spirit. This is known as the Trinity. An example of the sun will clarify this aspect. The sun has two other elements viz. Heat and light. The heat of the sun its light and the sun is not three sun but one sun, like the Word of God and Spirit of God and God is one God. The heat and light of the sun, is in the sun and yet at the same time can be on earth or any other place. Similarly the Word and Spirit of God is with God and at the same time manifest anywhere, but all these make only one God. The three persons in one God forms God like the three sides of a triangle. Even if one side is missing it cannot be called a triangle. These are simple examples for understanding and cannot be considered otherwise. God created the universe, the angles and all other creation including human beings. The angles and human being have the spirit of God, which is also referred as the soul. The angels and human beings have a free will. Even to disobey God. The law says disobedience to God's command is sin and the punishment for sin is death. Lucifer and some of his angles revolted against God, when God made man the steward of creation. God threw Satan and his fallen angels on to the earth where they rule now. Satan swore to destroy man, Gods favorite creation and for this he tempted Adam and Eve and caused them to sin. They disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge. Adam and eve were also thrown into this world, where satan was already shunted from heaven. Result of their disobedience was death of body and soul. Law was same for humans and for Satan and his followers. However Satan revolted against God by his own free will, fully knowing the consequences and was not tricked by anyone but Adam and Eve were tricked by Satan. God therefore in His wisdom promised a MASSIAH to save human beings from this punishment. Since human beings had disobeyed God, humans must face the judgment and punishment. One man who is sinless and a human being, can die to redeem all humankind. He would be the Messiah. Since God had promised this messiah, God had to provide. In order to have such a person, the Word of God, which is God, had to incarnate as a human being, because only a human being's death, can fulfill the law and redeem humankind from the punishment of the law. Two thousand years ago, the word of God became man. The man was born to a virgin woman, by the overshadowing of the holy spirit of God, who is also God, third person from the Trinity. Jesus was therefore perfect God and perfect man. Since Jesus was born of the spirit. Jesus became the son of God as He was begotten by God. The word of God took the title of Son of God, as a human being. Jesus was God because He is the Word incarnate and also human Son of God, because he was son of Mary, a human being. Therefore He was a perfect and sinlesshuman being. Once this is clear, you will have no confusion of the divinity of Jesus. During the lifetime of jesus He projected Himself both as man with human qualities and as God, revealing divine qualities. Both these personalities are distinct and can be projected according to the circumstances. That is why Jesus claim divinity with God, because of Word of God in Him and at other times jesus projected Himself as human, who is totally dependent on God. The sayings of Jesus must be seen in this light, as to who is speaking and the context, or else we will misunderstand the Bible. you will see both the human and divine aspect clearly. For example jesus was tempted by the devil, Mathew chapter 4 verses 1 to 11., jesus felt hungry and thirsty. It was the human Jesus, who was tempted and not the divine Jesus. Human jesus had fear of death, as we see His prayers in the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus knew He would be forsaken, as jesus the word of God, being God could not die. Gospel of Mark chapter 14 verses 32 onwards. Jesus the human being was destined to be crucified. Hence jesus the God had to forsake the human jesus, to go for crucifixion as a human jesus. That is why we hear jesus crying out from the cross to God, asking why he was forsaken. Gospel of Mark chapter 15 verses 33 onwards.p God knows that jesus the human must pay the price to liberate mankind. Alternatively we see the divine nature of Jesus. His miracles, especiallythe healing of the paralyticman ,Mathew chapter 9 verses one onwards. Here Jesus says, take heart my son, your sins are forgiven. Only God can forgive sin. By this act of forgiving sin Jesus show His divinity. It is the Word of God in Jesus was speaking. The act of Jesus cleansing the temple Mathew chapter 21 verses 12 onwards. The turning of tables of money changers in Jerusalem temple. Chasing the traders of doves and other sacrificial animals would under normal circumstances be a sin, If jesus the human had done this. It would be sinful of beating and destroying property of others. Similarly Jesus calls the phrases a brood of vipers hippocrites. These would be sinful for human Jesus, but these acts are not sinful, for Jesus the Word of God who has the authority to punish. So the distinction is clear, of God Jesus, as God Jesus can do all these acts but human Jesus doing them would be sinful. The God Jesus was all powerful. We see that nature and its law obeying God Jesus, tells us about His divinity ,being the Word of God. However, the human Jesus was forsaken by the Word of God, when He was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane. John chapter 18 verses 4 onwards. The Word of God distanced from human Jesus. It was the human jesus who was to be crucified and die for all mankind to fulfill the Law and the judgment, thereby redeeming all mankind. When Jesus said I am He the people who came to arrest Jesus drew back and fell to the ground. From that point onwards Jesus the human being went as human for the crucifixion. When that mission was over, God the Father shifted Himself from being a judge, to again being the Father, as the Law was fulfilled. He once again became Father to Adam and eve and their descendents. After jesus died, the Word of God again entered into the lifeless body of jesus and resurrected Him. Jesus regained His divinity as the Word of God is now once again is in Him. Jesus then regained paradise, went to hades to liberate the souls there and on the third day appeared on the earth. When jesus was on this earth before His death, his divinity and humanity could be split, but after the resurrection His humanity is merged for ever in the Divinity . Therefore jesus is God because of the Word of God is in Him. He still has His human nature and that's why He is seated at the right hand of the Father. That is why Jesus the human is prophet, priest and king. After the death of Jesus on the cross the Law being fulfilled, the judging God became Father God and Jesus became God's Son, two thousand years ago, when God bigotened Him. Jesus was God because He is the incarnated Word, when He was upon the earth. The Word of God is NOW know as the Son of God. That is why Christians belive the Father, Son and the Holy spirit is the Trinity, which earlier was known as Father, Word of God and Holy SpiritofGod. This divine human jesus will come again soon, to judge the world and then rule over His kingdom for thousand year. You must believe that Jesus is your redeemer and live by His command, only then, you will not have to go through the judgment route, all other people, will have to go through judgment. Now is the time to make your decision. Do you want to be saved by the grace of Jesus, which He has gained by His obedience to the Fathers command to die on the cross for all humanity. All mankind is saved. The condition is to accept Jesus as your Savior and to live by His teachings. If you fulfill both these conditions then you will not be judged but is saved by Jesus or you choose the judgment route, where you will have to answer for your life. If your life is blameless then you may receive the mercy of God and get everlasting life in God's kingdom. Why wait for judgment, it is wiser to be saved by Jesus when we are on earth and avoid judgment. The choice is ours. This interpretation will answer all questions. Can God incarnate as human. The answer is yes. The Word of God incarnated as a human jesus. However human cannot be God. That is why Jesus is perfect God and perfect mam. How Jesus is God, because Jesus is the incarnation of the Word of God, who is God, the second person of trinity. How jesus is the son of God, because God has begotten Jesus through Mary, two thousand years ago. as a human jesus, who as man must die for the sins of all mankind. This proves Jesus the man died not as God because God cannot die. Jesus is now in heaven after His resurrection and is God because He is now the Word of God. The human jesus is seated at the right hand of God as prophet, priest and king. You cannot now have a split, of the personality of jesus, as divinity is merged in the humanity of Jesus. That is why we now say the Trinity as Father, Son and the Holy spirit. Three persons in ONE God George Varghese
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The inscriptions are clearly referencing Jesus and are intent on ending the Cristolgical debate. Would you say what Abdul Malik is presenting here is what is called the heresy of monarchism, there being no trinity ? The inscriptions encircle this rock, definitely pointing to it as the centerpiece of the shrine. I can see that the Syriac church who had the cave of treasures would see what was being said here, but how would the Orthodox party be convinced to receive this shrine if they had no previous devotion to this place?
It’s called “monarchianism” or more precisely “dynamic monarchianism”. But yes, that’s exactly what we’re looking at. As for how trinitarian Christians would have received it, we can only speculate. If Pseudo-Methodius was actually referencing real history and not just apocalyptic beliefs about the end times, then many people converted quickly. I have my doubts though. I think it’s more likely that Pseudo-Methodius is talking about an apocalyptic future. I think it was more likely a slow, gradual process, at least in Syria and Palestine. And we know that in Egypt it took centuries for Islam to become dominant. But I don’t doubt that people back then understood the symbolism of the Dome of the Rock, no matter their religion. They may have rejected the symbolism or parts of it, but they would have been aware of it.
The understanding of this word results from its antonym, which immediately follows: ‘ihtalafa (to be in disagreement). The Arabic "islam" reproduces the Syro-Aramaic. See also the Thesaurus Syriacus: "al-ittifaq", "al-muwafaqa", "ijma", for which "la salmuta" = "hilaf" is given as the antonym. See also Michael Sokoloff, A Dictionary of Jewish Palestinian Aramaic, Bar Ilah University Press, first published 1990, second printing 1992, p. 147a/b, under (din): 8. “exegetical interpretation of scripture.” The reading of "din" as "religion" is yet another anachronism.
@@TAlexander Thanks for your reply. I thought we can understand a word first by its root not by its antonym. For Arabic terms: Ikhtilaf: means disagreement, difference and is a term for Islamic scholarly religious disagreement Ijma: means agreement and is a term for the consensus or agreement of Islamic scholars on a point of Islamic law So ikhtilaf is the opposite of ijma I don’t think someone can understand the word din by this antonym or those opposite words. Now about the word ‘’din’’ (دين) You translate din by ‘’ The right interpretation of the Scripture’’ and give also from a dictionary ‘’ exegetical interpretation of scripture’’. To me, it looks loke more of a definition than a translation. In Islam din means or translate by law, judgement, custom, religion depending on the context. Like for yawm al-din (يوم الدين) is generally translate by the Day of Judgement. If din is translated by religion, it’s because all the laws and customs from Allah become our beliefs and way of life, so our Religion. On Wikipedia … Din (Arabic) The Arabic dīn has Semitic cognates, including the Hebrew "dīn" (דין), Aramaic dīnā (דִּינָא), Amharic dañä (ዳኘ) and Ugaritic dyn (𐎄𐎊𐎐). On Wikipedia … Dina (Aramaic) Dina d'malkhuta dina (דִּינָא דְּמַלְכוּתָא דִּינָא) means "the law of the Government [in civil cases] is law," or "the law of the land is the law" is a principle in Jewish religious law that the civil law of the country is binding upon the Jewish inhabitants of that country, and, in certain cases, is to be preferred to Jewish law. The principle of dina d'malchuta dina means that for Jews, obedience to the civil law of the country in which they live is viewed as a religiously mandated obligation and disobedience is a transgression, according to Jewish law. So, Arabic din means law, judgement, custom, religion and Aramaic Dina means law. So they are similar. According to my little research, ‘’The right interpretation of the Scripture’’ or even ‘’exegetical interpretation of scripture’’ is not a good translation for din and translate by Religion is the best in this case.
so the name Muhammad originally just meant 'prophet of God'? Are there records of anyone being called 'Muhammad' before the so called prophet Muhammad or was he the first?
it's clear A. LETTER TO TIMOTHY 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus! Mattew 24:36 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. Mattew 23:8-10 8 But be not ye called teachers. for one is your Teacher, even Christ. 9 You are all brothers. And call no man father (Spiritual)upon the earth. for one is Father, which is in heaven.10 And be not ye called masters. for one is your Master, even Christ.... “YOU must not let people call you ‘leaders’-you have only one leader, Christ!” (Matthew 23:10, The New Testament) With these words, Jesus made it plain to his followers that no man on earth would be their leader. Their one Leader would be heavenly-Jesus Christ himself. Jesus holds this position by divine appointment.. Jehovah “raised him up from the dead and . . . made him head over all things to the congregation, which is his body.”-Ephesians 1:20-23. 2 Since Christ is “head over all things” with regard to the Christian congregation, he exercises his authority over all that takes place within the congregation. Nothing that occurs within the congregation escapes his notice. He closely observes the spiritual condition of each group of Christians, or congregation. This is clearly apparent in the revelation given to the apostle John at the end of the first century C.E. To seven congregations, Jesus stated five times that he knew their deeds, their strong points, and their weaknesses, and he gave counsel and encouragement accordingly. (Revelation 2:2, 9, 13, 19; 3:1,8,15,17) There is every reason to believe that Christ was equally familiar with the spiritual condition of other congregations in Asia Minor, Palestine, Syria, Babylonia, Greece, Italy, and elsewhere. (Acts 1:8) What of today? th-cam.com/video/Oo9ytCWBYSw/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/K98ziVX7AHo/w-d-xo.html
This series with Thomas and this current video particularly, is devastating for Islam.
This makes so much sense!
The SIN has been utterly destroyed and an alternative and believable History of Islam is surely taking shape.
I feel angry that for so many centuries so many Western historians have accepted the SIN uncritically causing so.much damage to Muslims and non Muslims alike.
This new video deseves another GIN tonic.
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Sin must be destroyed! It has been built on sand and the corner stone is momo. Thank you Both for your work and God Bless you!
Very interesting- keep up the good work gents!
One thing I forgot to point out in the video. Luxenberg argues that the word “muhamnadun” has to be read in context of line three: “to him (belongs) praise” which is pronounced “la-hu l-hamdu”.
“hamdu” however has the same root as “muhammadun”. It’s fairly obvious when you look at the Arabic script (last word of line 3), the two words look almost identical. Luxenberg argues that the second occurrence in the form of “muhamnadun” clearly refers to the first one in line three which necessitates the reading as “praised be”.
What is the topic of the Next Video Thomas?
@@yakovmatityahu In the series I'm doing with Jay, the next one will be about the transition from "Muhammad" as a title for Jesus to the understanding of "Muhammad" as a prophet. After that, there will be a few videos on the islamisation on Spain.
On my channel, the next video will be about the earliest Arabic inscription and the origin of the Arabic alphabet.
@@TAlexander ohk thank you for telling that we look forward for the video.
@Thomas Alexander
You forget in your messy presentation to prove to us that the Jesus Christ , actually, exist. To claim that the praised one was Jesus Christ then you already made it clearly that Jesus Christ existed. Now what is your evidence that Jesus Christ existed?
@@mahmoodali1533 That's not the point of my presentation. In fact, it's entirely irrelevant for my presentation whether Jesus existed or not. The only thing that is relevant is that people believed that he did.
If you want to know more about Jesus, I'd say Jay is the right person for you to talk to.
Thomas u r doing a wonderful job. It's scary to talk about this wth my friends. But i shall post it
Amazing that Islam got away with a prophet who came into existence through false interpretation of one line of anti-trinitarian polemic.
Merely taking an honest look at their oldest sources proves there are MANY HOLES in their narrative. Once again, great scholarly work, gentlemen. May many leave the darkness of islam because there are far too many holes in this darkness.
99.9999% of Muslim population do not know what they believe. Same is the case with Christians, Hindus etc.
How come they change, when they do not know what they believe in?
I am a christian as I was born as a christian, not by knowing all the truth of Christianity.
But this work can help those who are about to go to Muslim, thinking that their teachings are better than Christianity
"If you are going to look at an inscription look at all of it. Don't just take phrases from here and there" Not a word for word quote of Jay's words but it highlights exactly the problem that Muslims seem to have. They cannot look at anything in context. Their leaders teach them to take phrases from here and there and twist everything to defend their lie, instead of accepting the truth of the whole thing in context. That is why they are still talking about their delusions of finding Muhammad in the Bible when the context always shows that it cannot possibly be Muhammad.
I pray for the Holy Spirit to make the light of the gospel so bright that it will burn through the darkness of the veil.
In Jesus's name. Amen.
Interesting post.
Yes and because the Quran is written in this hotchpotch style. They can labor that point it's a change in topic etc. May the truth reach those seeking it.
All prophet from adam to last prophet they worship El/Elohim/Eloh/Allah..you guys worship creation.It doesnt matter if muhamad didnt mention in scriptures you guys didnt worship God who create Adam and creator of all creation.Who doesnt know prophet their duty only a warner.
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink That is a satanic lie. Yahweh is NOT Allah.
Allah is a loser. He is so much lesser than YHWH. Muhammad made an immoral idol in his own image. YHWH says "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Allah keeps making that there is nothing wrong with Muhammad and his gang committing rape and adultery, and murder and slavery.
There is not one of the ten commandments of YHWH that Muhammad did not break.
Read the tafsir of Ibn kathir on Surah 4:24 and how he said that Allah said that his men could rape and commit adultery with the married women of the awtas region. Read the tafsir of Jalalayn on Surah 66:1and see how Allah is supposed to have said that it was lawful for Muhammad to commit adultery with Mariya the slave of his wife. Look at how he allowed Nika mutah and began Nika Halala. And the idol of Muhammad just kept saying all this evil filth was fine by him.
Because there is no real Allah. It was just an invention to let immoral rich Arabs do evil and claim that their idol was fine with it.
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink Jesus, on the other hand, is in the Old Testament many times for example:
Isaiah 9:6. "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, *_Mighty God_* , Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
The Messiah was always going to be called Mighty God.
And yet in Christianity you cannot have 2 gods. So how can the word of God in Isaiah say that the Messiah will be mighty God. The only way for both these things to be true is for the Messiah and the Father to be distinct manifestations of THE SAME GOD.
But the writer of the Qur'an and the supposed god of the Qur'an don't even know what Christians believe, or the Jews.
No Christian believes that Mary is a goddess. No Jew ever thought that Usair was a son of God.
It is foolish human false teachings and propaganda.
Look at the contradictions in the Qur'an. Allah changes his mind more often than I change my socks. He flipflaps around like a fish just out of the water.
Everything in Islam is a fake and a counterfeit and a scam.
Allah is a fake.
Muhammad is a fake.
The Qur'an is a fake.
Mecca is a fake.
All your arguments are fakes.
Follow Surah 10:94 or you will end up in the lake of fire.
Excellent founding here. Thanks to Thomas and Dr. Jay.
Nice work guys, keep it coming. It's all amazing!
Praise be to Lord Jesus. The King of eternal glory
Blessed or Praised(Muhammed)is the one(Jesus) who comes in the name of the Lord...
you are former hindu ? the name sounds hindu ?
@@emmanuelmasih2296 No i am born in a Christian home...
@@yakovmatityahu
The v sound doesn't exist in the Semitic language. It's import from Germanic language.
@@yakovmatityahu I was talking to pankaj... That name is hindu...
Really great presentation. When you translate Muhammad to Benedict it made me think of the elements of the SIN that could have been gleaned from St. Benedict. He fled to the cave of Subiaco, wrote a rule, and has the daily prayers scheduled in his rule. Also he lived close to this era. Pax
Thanks a lot Thomas!!!
Awesomeness thank you for covering this guys👍👍😁🫂🙏
Son, Servant, Dependant, Student, Submissive,Patience
Father, Master, Responsible, Teacher, Dominant,Conviction
Invoking both in yourself will praise Gods Holy Spirit. Which is what Jesus taught us.
Blessed is the one or praised is the one(Muhammed/Jesus/Messiah) who comes in the name of the Lord...
An absolute eye opener!!!
The material you guys are spreading is dangerous to talk about and interesting too. But great work guys. keep spreading the truth. I love what you guys are doing. God bless
Amen!
I think it's even more dangerous to believing in a lie and fighting a lost cause . Like many abdools "scholar" Muslims do currently.
@@demo9299 couldn't agree more lol
@@samuelflores1419 Amen 🙏
Dangerous?
I constantly challenge Muslims with this information on social media etc.
Very nice Jay and thomas god bless you
This Shahada is definitely talking about JESUS CHRIST... For He is the Praised One...Islam is falling apart.Thank you Thomas and Dr Jay for another great work.💙💙💙
Blessed or Praised(Muhammed)is the one(Jesus) who comes in the name of the Lord...
Islam is certainly falling apart but the shahada is not talking about Jesus Christ for obvious reasons. The 'complete' extended shahada as per Islam (includes Shiahs) proclaims that "there is no god but God and Muhammad is His messenger and Ali is his vicegerent". As per Quran, the shahada excludes Muhammad and Ali. Obviously then, Jesus was neither a god nor The God because The God of Islam, i.e. Allah was a moon God named Hubal (or Dushara - disputed) and Ali was not Jesus's vicegerent.
@Mr. Mitchell if you say Jesus is not God, how come God tells us he(Jesus) is God and that we have to worship him? This is found in the OT.
@Mr. Mitchell Jesus has existed with the father since eternity...
@Mr. Mitchell Jesus is word of God/Son of God.
It makes sense. It has its place in history. The Dome has a meaning in the historical context. The inscriptions are claiming a theological point perfectly meaningful. Abd al Malik needed to unify his empire politically and theologically with a new legitimacy. It works.
The Benedictus qui venit is from matthew 23:39. Let's see how the Arabic bible translates this.
مبارك الآتي باسم الرب
The parallel is drawn between two phrases that are too far removed in time and context.
There is no mohamed mentioned.
Epithets and titles in Arabic are usually preceded by the definitive article al. If the name were an epithet originally, then it would impossibly to explain why it does not appear, even a single time, with the definitive article.
It also doesn't make any sense that Jesus is named by name and title Al Masih. But at this first (supposed) mention be kept anonymous.
It doesn't make any sense.
Verse 47:2 also totally debunks this claim of Mohamed being an epithet.
'Believe in what is sent down to Mohamed'.
Imagine if we would translate this as praised be. 'Believe in what is sent down to praised be'.🤣😂
There are 7th century quranic manuscripts of this verse. It has an earlier paleography than the dome of the rock.
Why would the Quran want people to obey the messenger if the messenger was not alive?😁
Jesus is denied to be god. Why should people obey a messenger that is not alive or on earth and can't hear you?😁
If the Quran is a Christian text. Why does the Quran has more to say about Moses than Jesus?
Why would a Christian liturgical writing be all about Moses instead of Jesus?🤔
This is so poor. This is not scholarship. This is forcing the 'enlightenment' ideology of Inarah into the text. A colonial mentality to rewrite history and strip the Arabs from their own history.
@@alonzoharris6730 believe in what is sent down to the praised one... Yiur arabic is poor.. Don't even try
@@zackeo80
I'm using their translation of Muhamed abd allah wa rasuluhu in the dome of the rock.
They translated Mohamed as 'praised be'. I used their translation in 47:2.
I'm glad you agree with me that they don't know Arabic.👍🏼
You agree with me that praised be as a translation is absurd.👍🏼
@@zackeo80 he doesn't know Arabic at all.
@@alonzoharris6730 there is ZERO connection between Quran and Sunni-Shia. Sunni-Shia, new religion created by the Abbasid. They believe in the books after Quran, like Sirah and Hadith.
The verses which are mentioned here, from quran are referring to verses from quran mentioned below which proofs Jesus son of mary is the Messiah and the beloved one, it’s all about Him;
Death & resurrection of Jesus Christ
Soorah Al Emran:55
Allah says Jesus I made you to die and brought you up to myself
5:117
Jesus saying to Allah: when you made me to die, you became watcher over them (people)
Mariam 19:22
Peace be upon him who was born died and resurrected
Excellent information, leaves me with bated breath and on the edge of my seat.Its clearly a polemic against Byzantine Christianity.
Our worst nightmare regarding Islam came true to surface...Islam was started by heretics.
Outstanding stuff Thomas, Jay it would be good to bring in the other guys for a group chat on this at some point 👍
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@@rahmahlombard3217
I suggest you keep up with what scholars have come up, Mohammed is purely a title, initially for Jesus, but also warlords used it as a nom de guerre
No Historical Evidence for the traditional Islamic narrative whatsoever
Mohammed (praised one) was a TITLE not a person, the first time the title was used was on a CHRISTIAN coin around 660, and the Mohammed on this coin was JESUS. Indeed the first three Mohammed's in the Quran are referring to Jesus, and Arab Christians used the title Mohammed to refer to Jesus at least until the mid 8th Century.
There’s No 7th Century historical evidence for the Mohammed of Islam in Arabia, the fictional prophet Mohammed was a later redaction by the Abbasids in the late 8th-9th centuries.
Definitely no 7th Century Qurans, for example the most popularly read Quran is the Hafs, canonised Cairo inn1924, then by Egypt in 1936 (even though it’s not a Quran that was recognised early on) because in their Islamic exams they were getting different answers from different schools using different Qurans, and then Saudi canonised it in 1985 for the same reasons.
The oldest part of the Quran (pre Islam) is a lectionary by Christian preachers from Merv for Arab Christians, which was written partly in Aramaic, and the Arabic of that time, which would not necessarily by understood by Arabs now. The Abbasids completely distorted the Quran to suit their agenda.
No archaeological evidence for a cosmopolitan Mecca in Arabia in the 7th Century, at best it was a hamlet in a dustbowl, and the Quran doesn’t describe Mecca or Medina, but somewhere much more fertile
There’s no 7th Century historical evidence for the Rightly Guided Caliphs in Arabia, or any 7th documentation or artefacts, inscriptions etc., whatsoever
Muslims can only come up with 8th, 9th and 10th stories started by the Abbasids in the middle of the 8th Century
As of yet no Muslim or even Muslim Scholars and Historians have found any historical evidence for the Abbasid narrative
Islam as Muslims believe it be, is a fraudulent ideology
In other words, Islam as it's followed is complete nonsense!
@@rahmahlombard3217
Hilarious 😂
Dates that cause concern; dates referring to an individual are the dates of their death
647; 15 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, in a letter written in 647 by the patriarch of Seleucia he makes no reference to the Arab conquerors as Muslims, or show any awareness of a religion called Islam
There are no Rock inscriptions or coins or artefacts from the 7th Century about a Mohammed of Islam
680; 48 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, in none of Muawiya’s (who defeated Ali in 661 and was a Christian) documents, inscriptions, or coins is there any mention or reference to the Mohammed of the Quran and Islam. Indeed, they show Persian Zoroastrian and Christian influences.
Circa 680; the first time Mohammed is on a coin done by the Ghassanids and that MOHAMMED IS REFERRING TO JESUS
691; 59 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is when the term Muslim started to be used (from the Dome of the Rock), up until then they called themselves Saracen, Hagarian, Ishmaelite, Maghraye and Muhajiroun.
691; 59 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first time that the word Islam is recorded, which is in the Dome on the Rock, which Abd al Malik had built.
692; 60 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first time there is reference to Mohammed (praised one), and that is on a coin, which also has the image of Abdul al Malik holding a sword. However, this is Abdul al malik calling himself the ‘Praised One’
The term ‘Mohammed’ was often used as the Nom de Guerre of Arab leaders Sudha as Ilyas ibn Qabisah
696; 64 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death (outside of the Dome of the Rock), is the first time there is Islamic style writing which is on a Coin with no images and a form of the Shahada, done by Abdul al Malik
741; 109 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first historical reference to Mecca, 109 years after Mohammed’s death, and that it is in Iraq, not Arabia, Mecca was a dustbowl
765; 133 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, tradition has it that Ibn Ishaq writes first biography of Mohammed? But none of his material exists
833: 201 years after the Mohammed of the Qurans death, is the first biography of THE FICTIONAL Mohammed (Sira) which is by Ibn Hisham, and he only writes down the material he likes which (according to tradition) was handed down to him via his teacher from Ibn Hisham, and eliminates the material he doesn’t like. Ibn Hisham is the first person to write down Mohammed’s genealogy, 201 years after Mohammed’s death. This breaks a fundamental principal of a biography, which should be based on eyewitness accounts.
870; 238 years after the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Qurans death, the first Hadith (sayings, rulings and behaviours of Mohammed) are attributed to Al-Bukhari who realizing that oral translation wasn’t satisfactory, wrote down the narrations some 238 years after THE FICTIONAL Mohammed’s death. Tradition has it that Al-Bukhari is given 600,000 narrations, and he whittles them down to 7,397 (nine volumes) narrations that he considered to be reliable. But when you take into account repetitions and variances of the same report, the number is only 2,602.
However, the first Hadith (one volume) is only found in the 11th Century, and it is not until the 17th Century that you get all nine volumes together, and there is no original manuscript by
Al-Bukhari. Hadith derives from the Arabic root ḥ-d-th meaning “to happen” and so “to tell a happening,” There is a small sect of Muslims that completely reject the Hadiths.
923; 291 years after the death of the FICTIONAL Mohammed of the Quran is when the Tafsir, which is commentaries on the Quran, and the Tarikh which is concerned with Muslim history is written. The author At-Tabari was born in Amol (1122 miles from Medina) and died in Baghdad, 838 miles from Medina
No one knows when the first of the Qurans in the Hafs format was actually completed
@@rahmahlombard3217
😂
Provide 7th Century historical evidence for
1. A Mohammed of Islam in Arabia in the 7th Century
2. A cosmopolitan Mecca and Medina in Arabia in the 7th Century
3. A complete Quran/Qurans that match the Hafs from the 7th Century Arabia
BTW the differences between just the Hafs and Warsh Qurans amount to 5,000 variations
4. Evidence for your rightly guided Caliphs
I don’t want 8th, 9th or 10th century stories
@@simonhengle8316, it is strange you are so concerned about Islam, why don't you fix the Bible, I mean, so then Islam is a threat for you, thousands of Christians revert to Islam, what is then wrong in the Christian scriptures, let me see, oh, I was there, when I found out, a lot of stuff in the Bible is not God's word, and I ask questions, the priests say for me, just belief, no, God give me a hungry brain to search for the truth,
Excellent work... The conclusions are very interesting... I would like to hear more about the historical evidence for & against the existence of Muhammad as an individual. 🙏
Check out Jay Smith's other videos, also CIRA International (Al Fadi) & many others.
Prophet Muhammed was invented by the Abbasids.
@@fantasia55 Yes, you are correct. Invented for political reasons. Sad that so many people have been fooled.
That will be done in Thomas' next video!
I can't believe and am mad as no one has revealed what was scripted on the dome of the rock for years and leaving this cult religion has become such a monster.
AWESOME! I would like to know what groups were with Abd Al Malick to help him form his new "theology".
God bless you all!
Keep up good work.
Very informative, thank you for sharing.
14:12 "There is no God but God alone" I think we can trace to a Syrian origin too which then makes complete sense of how it all came about.
Pines (1984) has shown that “la ilah illa Allah” & “la ilah illa huwa” are translations into Arabic of slogans used in Judeo-Christian polemics during the previous centuries. A Greek form of the Tawhid exists in the pseudo-Clementine Homilies, XVI:7, 9:
Heis estin ho theos kai plen autou ouk estin. (God is One, there is no God except Him.)
It is dated to the early 4th century. When you compare that with what Luxenberg has rendered it, it is obvious that there is a clear link:
Luxenberg: There is no God but God alone.
the pseudo-Clementine Homilies, XVI:7, 9: God is One, there is no God except Him.
Good eye Sneaker!
Who did the Pope Leo 3 send secret letters to and from?
Really enjoyed this presentation!!!
I better understand the anachronism that Jay circles back to at the end of the presentation. It is clearer in my mind now, how it is not logical to take 833 interpretations and impose them back on 691. This anachronism is more apparent to me now. Thanks Guys!!! Did you see the comment by the Portuguese guy? Marcio Astor. Trèz interesting. Merci beaucoup.
At around 4:13 I see Luxenberg's translation of "Sala" is "bless". In English we read "God bless him, and (may there be) God's grace and love upon him."
The Arabic is "Sala Allah alaihi wa ssalaam alaihi wa rahmat Allah" which is intriguingly close to the modern "Sala Allah alaihi wa sallem" (S.A.W.), usually translated by "peace be upon him". This has been a subject of controversy because, taken literally, without reference to Aramaic, it appears that Allah prays for/to/upon Muhammad. And how can the one and only God pray since you only pray to a superior being. Therefore it would be interesting to find out more why in this case Luxenberg translates the Arabic "prayer" into "bless" in English.
This is so interesting. These inscriptions look like the Quran but they are not exactly the Quran.
Muslims normally don't accept texts that "look like the Quran" but they do accept this.
It's obvious to think that the Quran got derived from this and then later on the rest got added.
We have 97% of the Quran in manuscripts from the 7th century. What are you talking about. They all have earlier paleography than the dome of the rock.
@@alonzoharris6730 that doesn't prove anything
@@alonzoharris6730 thats manuscripts has nothing to do with Sunni and Shia today. Muslim according to Quran itself are Christian and Jews who follow the books before the Quran (Qs 4:136). Unlike Sunni and Shia, they are non-Muslim, who believe the books after Quran like Sirah and Hadith. So, Sunni and Shia are really new religion, created during the time of the Abbasid. They also invented "prophet muhammad" in their Sirah and Hadith.
@@alonzoharris6730 Where are these manuscripts?
@@hetrodoxly1203
They are in museum all around the world. Paris, Istanbul, Zurich, London, Birmingham and so on.
Clear as water! Keep up the good work
Ooh tu tu tu tu 😍😍 love it. This all makes sense. Cant wait for more
Thank you Thomas , great work
Very interesting and why they never bothered erasing any of that during reconstruction!
Thank you Thomas, great work again.
Regarding the word “الاسلم" on the inscription, it is read as “al aslam”, meaning the “more correct” or the one that agrees with God. I can see how it was later used to sound like “al Islam” to indicate that the religion that God agrees with is Islam. Is this correct?
Hello Fay, I really like the way you're thinking. I think this sounds very plausible. I did take my time to respond because I wanted to double-check with Luxenberg again. He does read it as l-'islam, but according to him this is not a reference to a religion, but simply means something along the lines of "conformity / agreement / concord".
So he is saying something similar. The inscription says that the people of the book fell into disagreement and only the "conformity / agreement / concord" with scripture can safe them.
@@TAlexander That’s where an Aramaic/ Arabic dictionary can be so helpful. Thank you for checking with Luxenberg’s references.
The first tlme i learn that this word is written الاسلم which means the most accurate or correct. It really makes sense because the conflict between trinity and oneness of God is the only theme of the inscriptions. To my knowledge many scholars tried to explain the word الاسلم but as الاسلام al islam and this has led them to wrong directions. My question: Is the word to be read الأسلم ?. Why the majority of scholars including the germans read it الإسلام ?. Thank you.
@@dakhla3254 this was just my assumption because we find many words in the Quran written without the Alif el mad ألف المد but Thomas mentioned that Luxenberg read it as الاسلام. It is very interesting indeed. Thank you for your comment.
I have been riveted by these talks from Thomas. I hope there are more to come. The reconstruction of Proto Islam is very convincing. What I am eager for at this point is a detailed explanation of Islam’s development moving forward from Abd al Malik. The TH-cam sleuths will refer to the role of the Abbasids, but they haven’t connected the dots, at least as far as I can tell. I hope that can happen. God bless you all!
A very interesting twist. Abdullah become his father’s name as well! Afterwards they tailored a story about Muhammad ibn Abdullah!
Great good news
The first time I knew that D o R inscriptions were more than one sentence. such unholy deception.
This is the Lesser Doxology of the Orthodox Church, with which Arabs at that time might well have been more familiar than with Catholic liturgical norms:
We praise You! We bless You! We worship You!
We glorify You and give thanks to You for Your great glory!
O Lord God, Heavenly King, God the Father Almighty!
O Lord, the Only-Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit!
O Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, Who take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us!
You, Who take away the sins of the world, receive our prayer!
You, Who sit on the right hand of God the Father, have mercy on us!
For You alone are holy, and You alone are Lord. You alone, O Lord Jesus Christ, are most high in the glory of God the Father! Amen! ...
To You belongs worship, to You belongs praise, to You belongs glory: to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.
The Orthodox have a Sanctus word for word the same as Catholics. But this Doxology looks more similar in form to the Dome of the Rock inscription than the Sanctus does. The Doxology is specifically to praise God, including to praise his nature. The Sanctus is a part of the Anaphora, the preparation for Communion. Anti-trinitarian theology would completely reject eucharistic sacrifice but it would certainly accept credal statements of the type of the Gloria (Doxology).
The Dome of the Rock inscription here certainly looks like a credal statement: what we believe. Clearly, the beliefs expressed are quite different but the expression in the Doxology "To You belongs worship, to You belongs praise" is very close to line 3 of the inscription "to Him belongs sovereignty, to Him belongs praise".
It is interesting that Christian praise language addresses God as "You" while the Muslim praise is in the third person "He".
Agree!
@@David-kz2im is there an Arabic expert who can clarify these things from a Middle east Christian point of View...i mean that fact that Jesus is the blessed one/praised one(Muhammed)...why not bring a middleast christian bishop or a senior expert in ancient church history of middle east who could confirm this???
The different was muslim dont worship muhamad but christian did worship and taken him as god.So explain to guys even invite expert waste time.
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink Exactly, the theology in Dome of the Rock is clearly anti-trinitarian.
@@yakovmatityahu For instance, a leader of the Church of the East, which might have more living experience of Syrian theology and liturgics.
My understanding is that Latin crusaders had a substantial effect on Levantine Christianity, so Lebanese/Syrian Christianity might have less connection with this ancient traditions?
Lots jumps out as interesting in this, but for some reason what will be the thing I remember is that in English the name Mohammad can be translated to Benedict. Next time I meet someone called Mohammad I will probably start calling then Benny.
Is there a Kingdom Hall on the Dome of the Rock?
That’s the HQ
ISAIAH 7:14. LUKE 1:26-35. HEBREWS 1:3. HEBREWS 1:6-7. REVELATION 5:12. JESUS KING OF FORGIVENESS! Short Story! REVELATION 11:19. REVELATION 12:1-5. PSALMS 2:1-9. ISAIAH 9:6-7. EPHESIANS 4:8. 2CORINTHIANS 12:1-4. HEBREWS 1:2. HEBREWS 1:4-5. HEBREWS 1:8-9. REVELATION 19:11. Hebreo 4:12. Short Story.
LUKE 19:9-12. MATTHEW 24:14-15. DANIEL 7:13-14. Hebreo 4:12.
so in all shahadah forms you will fine that the core is One,
" La ilaha illallah Muhammad rasulullah"
Jay, can you put all these studies together and distil them into a powerful polemic book?
I’m currently working on a book where I bring all this information together. It won’t be geared towards polemics though, I try to be as neutral as I can. But the implications will speak for themselves. And it will have all the references to 1 1/2 centuries of published studies for anyone who wants to dig in deeper into any specific topic.
This is Thomas' material, not mine. He is writing the book (as we speak), and will have it out for you to read, and when he does, we will be the first to have him on Pfanderfilms to advertise it, so that you can also buy it. Nonetheless, my job is to then use it in a polemical context, something Thomas will not do, as he is an academic purist (bless his heart).
@@pfanderfilms 😭😭
A version of the book in English?
Another DEVASTATING hole in the narrative
One God alone - rules out Jesus and pleases Jews- Malik's work
Beautiful
Sounds like a rendition of the Apostles Creed
Thank you Thomas and Jay another masterpiece from you...i have a question that could the shahada be inspired from an Apocalyptic call switch given in the Bible which should he spoken by Jews to bring the messiah to save them...Jesus told this sentence "Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord"...Jews need to utter this for messiah to come in the end times...is it possible that Arabs were uttering the same words in hopes of Brining the messiah back in 7th century...this word latter took the shape of Muhammed (Blessed be the one)????
Interesting take. The idea of the end of times is associated with the return of the Messiah.
@@didierfavre2356 i believe this is the issue...the Jews and arabs were looking to bring the messiah back to earth...so they read Jesus's words to bring him back to earth...he said "you(jews) will not see me unless you say "Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord""....so this is the call switch to bring messiah back...they tried to call this and failed because it was not spoken by the people who need to speak this(jews) and not the arabs.
@@yakovmatityahu the historical muhammad tried to rebuilt the temple in Jérusalem, first they conquered the city than they rebuilt the temple to call jesus but it didnt happen, thats when the arab and judeo-nazarin went to war, thats how the first part of the quran is jew and the second part purely arab.
@@keezemojito1278 good point that arabs built a structure over the temple mount because Bible tells thay before messiah comes there needs to be a temple in Jerusalem...so they built the temple and were calling on the messiah by saying "Blessed one"...but Jesus didnt come because it was arabs who spoke that not Jews.
@@keezemojito1278 i now don't believe that their was a historical Muhammed...the real Muhammed is the "Blessed one who comes in the name of the Lord"...Jesus.
Well, have I got a surprise coming for you all. ;)
I do not think that after your fiasco of Mar Gabriel gave Omar the quran you have any surprise.
@@mahmoodali1533 You'd be surprised!
As a native portuguese speaker, it really sounds funny when he makes the distinction between the name "Benedictus" and the past participle "benedictus". We have this name in portuguese " Benedito", but the past participle is "bendito", so it is really funny to think of a guy called "Benedito" coming in the name of the Lord.
Benedictus name in Latin has the same translation as Muhammed in Arabic...both mean the Blessed one or praised one...
Benedictus is the messenger of God(in latin) and Muhammed is the messenger of God(in arabic).
@@yakovmatityahu perfect praiseed one is messenger of God in a antitriniterian perspective.
Marcio: I found your remark very interesting! Thank you!
@@urbandsouza7279 yes!!!!!!!!
So next step for Islam remove the original Mosque so it does not contradict the sin. How can anyone dispute the fact that they turned Jesus into Momo who is not a man just 3 words the praised one, meaning Jesus. Thanks guys you killed it on this...
Malachi is also not a proper name but rather means “my messenger” and was known as “the seal of the prophets” in some syrian christian communities as Malachi is the last book of the OT, so there is certainly exists precedent for this naming convention
The Praised One can only be Divine.
Quran 3:55 Jesus is Superior.
16:16 “Byzantine Monophysite Christianity”?
Monotheistic. Must have been a mistake.
@@TAlexander Ah, thank you.
The section comparing the Sanctus with the Dome inscription seems to be extremely tangential, almost to the point of non existence. Besides, why quote the Sanctus in Latin? In the east, it would have been known in Greek, probably St James’ Liturgy, I’d imagine.
I watch a lot of Islamic history from various channels, one of which is from Joe / Red Judaism. Will you be recording with him again, if so, can you guys discuss Inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock's inner and outer amulatory, if I'm not mistaken there seems to be a discrepancy in the analysis and it's confusing me.
I have just recorded 3 episodes with Joe, with more to come concerning how we can interpret not only these inscriptions, but many of the verses of the Qur'an itself which have been 'bastardized' by the later Abbasid's Arab impositions.
Excellent! Please watch the video of the Coptic Orthodox Church: "Church history Full Series, 1st -5th century" Channel: Theology Academy, Time:1:35:22. There you will find the fight of the church with heresies. Here are the early roots!
That channel provides videos in English and Arabic language.
Thank you Marga.
Gbu
I always sayd the sahada is about JESUS
FOR ME TE REAL SAHADA IS
THERE IS NO GOD BUT YHWE
AND JESUS THE MOST PRAYSD ONE IS
THE ANGEL OF THE LORD.
MEANING THE DEVINEMESSENGER OF GOD.
But in new testament not even a single word yahweh exist in it.Plus yahweh doesnt have child.When say Rasullullah means messenger of Allah..jesus also a rasul bcs He worship Allah..they just Allah slave.
Great to see the dome inscriptions and context. Thomas always gives clear presentations. Murad was the first I heard to mention Mohammed being a name for Jesus, who was the original to conclude this?
The Benedictus qui venit is from matthew 23:39. Let's see how the Arabic bible translates this.
مبارك الآتي باسم الرب
The parallel is drawn between two phrases that are too far removed in time and context.
There is no mohamed mentioned.
Epithets and titles in Arabic are usually preceded by the definitive article al. If the name were an epithet originally, then it would impossibly to explain why it does not appear, even a single time, with the definitive article.
It also doesn't make any sense that Jesus is named by name and title Al Masih. But at this first (supposed) mention be kept anonymous.
It doesn't make any sense.
Verse 47:2 also totally debunks this claim of Mohamed being an epithet.
'Believe in what is sent down to Mohamed'.
Imagine if we would translate this as praised be. 'Believe in what is sent down to praised be'.🤣😂
There are 7th century quranic manuscripts of this verse. It has an earlier paleography than the dome of the rock.
Why would the Quran want people to obey the messenger if the messenger was not alive?😁
Jesus is denied to be god. Why should people obey a messenger that is not alive or on earth and can't hear you?😁
If the Quran is a Christian text. Why does the Quran has more to say about Moses than Jesus?
Why would a Christian liturgical writing be all about Moses instead of Jesus?🤔
This is so poor. This is not scholarship. This is forcing the 'enlightenment' ideology of Inarah into the text. A colonial mentality to rewrite history and strip the Arabs from their own history.
I’ve heard it first from Christoph Luxenberg in the early 2000s. But I have to admit that I do t know if he was the first.
It wouldn’t surprise me if others had this idea much earlier as it seems to be rather obvious. But Luxenberg was probably the first to systematically analyse the language and grammar used in this regard to come to his rather conclusive result.
@@TAlexander Gallez also took this into account. He also established that the early meaning of "muhammad" was not "praised be" or "the one who has been praised (or is to be praised)", but "desired", "the one who is to be desired", which is very very close to the Aramaic brīḵ in Mt 23,39. I checked with Luxenberg : he fully agrees with this.
Gallez also proved that the muhammad occurence in 47,2 is an interpolation. So much for our good friend Alonzo's "debunking"
@@TAlexander
Luxenberg copied this crap from an Austrian orientalist in the 19th century.
@@OdonLafontaine
Verse 47:2 is an interpolation?
Gallez must be out of his mind.
We have many Quranic manuscripts that predates the dome of the rock of verse 47:2.
One of them is Codex Is. 1615 I.
Fragments from five folios of Is. 1615 I have been radiocarbon dated by the ETH, Zürich (Switzerland), under the auspices of the Corpus Coranicum project. The combined results give the date 591-643 CE with a confidence level (2σ) of 95.4%.
The Paleography is also earlier than the inscriptions in the dome of the rock.
Maybe Gallez is not up to date? Or he is dishonest?
Great work as usual, I just don’t agree about the Monophysite idea, I think the dome of the rock completely denies the divinity of Christ, the teaching of the Monophysitism is straight forward denial of Christ s humanity, the inscription is more Arian or Nestorian if you look at it from the point of Christ having 2 hypostasis, and in this case you can deny the divinity of Jesus since there is no union of the 2 natures.
Yes, I think you’re referring to a part where Jay misspoke.
The Dome of the Rock is clearly an anti-Trinitarian monument. As such it is related to Arianism, but different still. Arians didn’t deny the divine origin of Jesus after all.
PS: Monophysites didn’t and don’t reject Jesus humanity, they just conceptualise it differently as being in one hypostasis with his divine nature.
PPS: I’m using the term “Monophysites” in the way it has been established in the past, i.e. synonymously with “Miaphysites”.
@@TAlexander Thanks for pointing out this distinction. It was my error, not Thomas'
@@TAlexander the Monophysite belief assumes the human nature has dissolved in the divinity as Eutyches said a drop of vinegar in the ocean!!! So basically the body of Christ was not a real body and in that sense you could say “they crucified him not” since he had no real body. That is a denial of humanity.
كلمة الصلاة في اللغة العربية لها معانى كثيرة منها البركة
Many thanks, Thomas and Jay, for this video. Joe of Red Judaism has ventured a contrasting proposition concerning the early inscriptions, considering the milieu of that place and time, namely that they were aimed at Karaite Jews: he tenders that Christians would have had no religious reason to visit the Rock to pray, unlike Karaite Jews (Rabbinic Jews were forbidden by their own teachers to do so), so a messianic declaration (albeit monophysite, non-adoptionist, and non-Byzantine) lauding Jesus was propaganda or yah boo sucks (my words, not Joe’s) aimed at Karaites: “It’s got nothing to do with insulting Christians; it’s got plenty to do with insulting Jews…unless you’re a Hebrew messianist.” However, while SIN-sifters have differing perspectives of this nature, and differing points of consideration, what has remained throughout is centrality of Jesus in the origins of what became Islam.
Ebed is son and not servant. The text is against tritheism and adoptionanism. The text refers to the scripture. And the scripture says that Jesus is the Son of God. There is also a part of the letters of Hebrew commenting the Psalm 8. Jesus is more than the angels. There is no criticism of Trinity. The criticism in the quran comes later. The "associators" are the arians. They were regarded by the church fathers (St. Athanase, St. Gregor of Nazanianz) as tritheists.
In my opinion the inscriptions are more older than you think.
@@WerIstWieJesus its from 72 in the year of the arabs...the inscription itself says the date.
Do you think there is the relationship between the polemics against the Bizantine Christians in the 7th century and the schism of 1050? Did the "Muslims" take out the Eastern Side of Christianity? This would give motive to create another religion, specifically one that is built on the sword?
I’m not sure if I understand your question correctly, but I would say: No, there is no connection.
The cracks were already forming after the Council of Chalcedon where after the Roman delegation left, the Greeks voted on putting the Patriarch of Constantinople on the same level as the Pope in Rome which was an affront towards Rome and lead to the Pope refusing to sign the final documents. He only signed them years later but he explicitly excluded the part about the status of the Patriarch of Constantinople.
It’s important to understand that the Patriarch of Constantinople really was an “upstart” in the view of many Christians, given the fact that his see had no Apostolic tradition. He only became important by virtue of the Roman capital being moved there.
Despite some theological differences developing over the centuries (e.g. single vs. double procession or leavened vs. unleavened bread) it seems to me as a classic power play. At the time of the Schism, the Greek Christians were in the majority and the Patriarch wanted to establish his position vs. the Pope.
The Muslims (or rather the Turks) certainly weakened the Greek Orthodox side later on. Earlier though, due to the Muslim takeover of the Near East, the other two important bishops with a strong apostolic tradition (Antioch & Alexandria) were in fact taken out, strengthening the Pope’s position as the last one standing. Though even before, the split of Monophysitism away from Catholicism was in fact a first Schism where Alexandria led the way.
Wow. Muhammad must be turning in his grave.The Dome of the Rock Inscriptions are not about him, it's about Christ .
Great video!! We really appreciate all this excellent information! Can someone help explain why the Dome of the Rock was built? Since Muslims believe it was built to commemorate the ascension of Muhammed into heaven.
Shahada is satin contract with human against of God almighty!
The mark of the beast is the shahada !
Why the dome of the rock talks about Jesus is because it resides in Jerusalem and right there a new and ruling religion would obviously have to make clear it's objectives with respect to the region it reigns over. Simple alternative explanation. Text on the dome of the rock is a message to trinitarian Christians at that time.
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Interesting. Recaredo, the Visigothic king of Hispania, converted from Arianism to Catholicism in 587. Arianism is a Christian heresy according to which Jesus Christ does not have a divine nature. The Moors who invaded Hispania a century and a bit later, in 711, were not Muslims, but essentially Arians, that is, Christians. If this is so, the Moors who invaded Spain had not even heard of this Muhammad or Mecca.. Islam gradually developed later, over the centuries, as a perversion of Arianism through the invention of a certain Muhammad and a very long list of outrages he committed and all kinds of nonsense that he said. Then Islam moved further and further away from Catholicism until it became practically the opposite.
In fact, "Muhammad" (meaning "the blessed one") is a title applied to Jesus Christ. And this title "Mohammed" was used as a vehicle to invent this new sinister "prophet".
I wonder when the first mosques made from scratch began to appear? All the earliest ones are pre-existing buildings stolen.and reappropriated as mosques.
If an inscription spells the sicalled divine name as 'allah, it is distinctly islamic. A Christian or Jewish or other preislamic inscription would instead be using 'ILAH or 'al-'ILAH, neither of which are related.
The Churches that became the dome of the rock and al-'aqsa mosques were Trinitarian Catholics.
The first mosque that was without a doubt Islamic (also the first one to point towards Mecca) is the Great Mosque of Samarra, completed in 851 AD.
Though there is a long grey area of 100 years before that during which the anti-Trinitarian Christianity of the Arabs evolved into Islam. It’s difficult to say at which point we’re no longer looking at Christians but at Muslims as it was a gradual change. Personally, if I had to draw a line, then it would probably be around 825 AD, so any mosque built afterwards in the Near East would therefore have been Islamic by definition. Though in a way that’s of course an arbitrary line. But certainly by 851, we’re clearly looking at Muslims, so the Samarra mosque is a good guess.
@pfanderfilms. Thanks for presenting this essential information.
Do you still offer your course on arguing with Muslims ? I would like to gain this knowledge.
Jesus is the Mohammed.
Muslims, seriously: no more destroying your spiritual life, your earthly life and your afterlife.
Drop the fictional Mohammed.
Come to Jesus where you belong.
In Jesus you will find love, truth, beauty and eternal life.
All praise be to God.
Man I really feel bad for you he is not even a historian
Alright the you say jesus is God right
So answer me this in Arabic people attribute Al to God's attributes and if muhammad was really title your say jesus is not God cause the Arabs used Al for God's attribute and there is a word for The praisedone and its Alhamid and yea as for sebeos bishop he clearly explicitly says there was a man named Muhammad and BTW we have more evidence for Muhamamd rather than jesus
If the dome of the rock sopusedly mentions Muhammad as rasul wait there I have a doubt for ya why is not there a verse in dome of the rock by Muhammad name and jesus attribute like Muhammad ibn Marriyam and why futhere does the dome of the rock mention jesus name as Isa ibn marriam and yea if you see 4:55 clearly in the video it's written o people of the scripture which indicate there was another abrahamic religion other than jews and Christians
Why don't may real historian accept this theory why won't they?
This is how they are decieveing you
Your a thinking person right than think why dont you think
So was Abd al-Malik an Arian?
Interesting. Recaredo, the Visigothic king of Hispania, converted from Arianism to Catholicism in 587. Arianism is a Christian heresy according to which Jesus Christ does not have a divine nature. The Moors who invaded Hispania a century and a bit later, in 711, were not Muslims, but essentially Arians, that is, Christians. If this is so, the Moors who invaded Spain had not even heard of this Muhammad or Mecca.. Islam gradually developed later, over the centuries, as a perversion of Arianism through the invention of a certain Muhammad and a very long list of outrages he committed and all kinds of nonsense that he said. Then Islam moved further and further away from Catholicism until it became practically the opposite.
In fact, "Muhammad" (meaning "the blessed one") is a title applied to Jesus Christ. And this title "Mohammed" was used as a vehicle to invent this new sinister "prophet"
@@thinkingperson2122 indeed that seems to be what Jay is imply with his videos. However, I thought that Arianism was defeated by the 5th century.
2nd paragraphe : Can be '' Muhammad is the slave of al-Lah and the one sent by him '' - ''Muhammad 'abdu al-Lahi wa rasuluhu'' ... jusr mentionning that translation 🙏
What's so funny is now they that Jesus is Mohammed. All those inscriptions are verses from the Quran, which you can find similar in all Mosques. In those inscriptions the word ALLAH is mentioned. Jay believes that GOD isn't synonymous with ALLAH.
Have you got any historical evidence for and against the existence of Muhammad
yes, Jay has videos about coins from that time and Mecca (which doesn't appear in any source before the 8th century).
Mohammed arrives in the Sira literature (around 700 a.d.) and after that comes a flood of Hadith whith very detailed escriptions of events, though it is accepted even by Muslim Scholars that many of them were fabricated.
In Syriac, Jesus (Yeshua) is written similarly as Muhammad is written in Arabic.
In 33:40, the Quran states that Muhammad was not the father of any man (that status was of Jesus).
In the Quran, Muhammad is never mentioned as a prophet and neither any scripture given nor Quran revealed to him. Mecca didn't exist during Muhammad's time.
Can someone paste the Latin verses of the hymn where the words praised one is found?
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus Dóminus Deus Sábaoth.
Pleni sunt caeli et terra glória tua.
Hosánna in excélsis.
Benedíctus qui venit in nómine Dómini.
Hosánna in excélsis.
Do Roman catholic use this in their Liturgy???
@@yakovmatityahu They do. Until the implementation of Vatican II, I was singing it in Latin during mass. Now, its translation in French is in use. During the time Latin was in use, the prayers and songs book I used had the Latin text and its French translation side by side. I did not notice any change in the present day French text.
@@didierfavre2356 ohk how old are you btw??? I am 32.
@@yakovmatityahu now allso used
Jesus is the Mohammed.
All praise be to God.
No doubt, Jesus is the Mohammad, the Praised One but Jesus doesn't have any characteristics of their or Islamic Mohammad. Praise be to God and His beloved Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. May God enlighten the eyes of Muslims who are groping in the dark and lead them to the Light of the World Jesus. 🙏
Hehehehehe Even the first Shahada in the Qur'an is talking about Jesus Christ, not Muhammad! 😛😛😛
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There's no such thing as "Shahada" in the Quran, let alone Allah being Jesus, LOL.
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Aren’t they also attaching the Jewish Old Testament imposition of God’s divinity alone.
Is it translated as the inscription reads - Allah in Arabic for God?
Did they use Isa for Jesus!
Is Miriam used for Mary?
Hi and thanks. The inscriptions exc muhammed, reveal the praised or blessed messenger/angel of the father is Christ, his son, the word in the beginning speaks for his father, he is also God. God /Christ did not have a child, he was a man, flesh, God, who did not have children on earth, so the inscriptions are not wrong, its about Christ. They discuss the trinity.
Is the use of "Muhammad" as a title rather than a name somehow related to "Abd Al Malik" seeming to be a title?
Perhaps Abd al Malik was keen on titles as a way to express power, and everyone at the time would have known who the title referred to
The caliphs before Abd Al Malik (according to the SIN) may have had titles too, but generally they are known by their name)
(Almost) v.good. By analogy, the name "Adam" in Bible is a personalized one of the Hebrew 'adam" meant "the human", and "he" form the Hebrew "adamah' meant "the ground". Again in this lecture, it was ignored the comments on the verse(s): "He gives life and makes people die"(on the Doom of Rock and later in Quran) but the same is found also in Bible's passages, even Isaiah II, 45:17 or Deuteronomy 32:39 ("I cause death and give life" and all these is contrary to the Book of Wisdom of Solomon 1:13" For God did not make death, and takes no pleasure in the destruction of any living thins;he created all things that they might have being"(The New English Bible with the Apocrypha,1979, Oxford). It easily to explain: Jewish writers were still in the process of evolution to understand the meaning of the term"God/YHWH. It would be very strange is such passages originated among Christians or Jews; maybe some lunatics as there are plenty still on the proper understanding the term "Trinity" and that Jesus himself did not claim to be God (probably the historical Jesus-Mark 10:18, John 14:28- of course, forgotten by Christian lunatics). I've commented a few times already; more, on May 7,AD 2019 I was attacked by such Idiots requiring me to quit otherwise Police would be called,at Univ. Parish of St.Patrick at Sin And Redemption Pub, Toronto at Pub night DEbate, here on Trinity. I showed them mercy still and quit it; They (And Bishop) have not shown any sign of repentance yet and probably forever
Context is king
The whole counsel of God
Jesus clearly talks as Divine in origin
HE was crucified ✝️ for “blasphemy”‼️
Name calling is very poor
Only God knows everything if we think we do it’s PRIDE 🎈
@@P.H.888 Don't be silly( a mortal sin-Mk7:22, also in:St. Thomas Aquinas). Your "the whole counsel of God",etc..- it proves you( your "experts") do not have a clue on the basics of the Bible's hermeneutics. Maybe u will repent
When did the Arian heresy start?
It is named after Arius who according to Wikipedia lived c. 250 or 256-336. Paul of Samosata of Antioch had similar anti-Trinitarian ideas and he lived from 200 to 275 AD.
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Abdul malik is 7 century calvin luther and jehova witnes
Please keep us Jehovahs witnesses out of this.
The core message of Christianity is that Jesus is the Messiah, Son of the Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit- same in substance, but distinct in subsistence), He fulfills the Scriptures, He died on the cross for the sins of mankind, and He rose from the dead to give eternal life to all who call upon Him ✅💙💯
Your Faith.
God is the param atma, the concious mind of the universe and beyond. The WORD of God is in God and is God. The Spirit of God is in God and is God. The Word and Spirit of God can be with God and it can go to perform the bidding of God. Hence God is the param atma with His Word and Spirit. This is known as the Trinity. An example of the sun will clarify this aspect. The sun has two other elements viz. Heat and light. The heat of the sun its light and the sun is not three sun but one sun, like the Word of God and Spirit of God and God is one God. The heat and light of the sun, is in the sun and yet at the same time can be on earth or any other place. Similarly the Word and Spirit of God is with God and at the same time manifest anywhere, but all these make only one God. The three persons in one God forms God like the three sides of a triangle. Even if one side is missing it cannot be called a triangle. These are simple examples for understanding and cannot be considered otherwise.
God created the universe, the angles and all other creation including human beings. The angles and human being have the spirit of God, which is also referred as the soul. The angels and human beings have a free will. Even to disobey God. The law says disobedience to God's command is sin and the punishment for sin is death.
Lucifer and some of his angles revolted against God, when God made man the steward of creation. God threw Satan and his fallen angels on to the earth where they rule now.
Satan swore to destroy man, Gods favorite creation and for this he tempted Adam and Eve and caused them to sin. They disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge. Adam and eve were also thrown into this world, where satan was already shunted from heaven.
Result of their disobedience was death of body and soul. Law was same for humans and for Satan and his followers. However Satan revolted against God by his own free will, fully knowing the consequences and was not tricked by anyone but Adam and Eve were tricked by Satan.
God therefore in His wisdom promised a MASSIAH to save human beings from this punishment. Since human beings had disobeyed God, humans must face the judgment and punishment. One man who is sinless and a human being, can die to redeem all humankind. He would be the Messiah.
Since God had promised this messiah, God had to provide. In order to have such a person, the Word of God, which is God, had to incarnate as a human being, because only a human being's death, can fulfill the law and redeem humankind from the punishment of the law.
Two thousand years ago, the word of God became man. The man was born to a virgin woman, by the overshadowing of the holy spirit of God, who is also God, third person from the Trinity. Jesus was therefore perfect God and perfect man. Since Jesus was born of the spirit. Jesus became the son of God as He was begotten by God. The word of God took the title of Son of God, as a human being. Jesus was God because He is the Word incarnate and also human Son of God, because he was son of Mary, a human being. Therefore He was a perfect and sinlesshuman being. Once this is clear, you will have no confusion of the divinity of Jesus.
During the lifetime of jesus He projected Himself both as man with human qualities and as God, revealing divine qualities. Both these personalities are distinct and can be projected according to the circumstances.
That is why Jesus claim divinity with God, because of Word of God in Him and at other times jesus projected Himself as human, who is totally dependent on God. The sayings of Jesus must be seen in this light, as to who is speaking and the context, or else we will misunderstand the Bible. you will see both the human and divine aspect clearly.
For example jesus was tempted by the devil, Mathew chapter 4 verses 1 to 11., jesus felt hungry and thirsty. It was the human Jesus, who was tempted and not the divine Jesus. Human jesus had fear of death, as we see His prayers in the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus knew He would be forsaken, as jesus the word of God, being God could not die. Gospel of Mark chapter 14 verses 32 onwards. Jesus the human being was destined to be crucified. Hence jesus the God had to forsake the human jesus, to go for crucifixion as a human jesus. That is why we hear jesus crying out from the cross to God, asking why he was forsaken. Gospel of Mark chapter 15 verses 33 onwards.p God knows that jesus the human must pay the price to liberate mankind. Alternatively we see the divine nature of Jesus. His miracles, especiallythe healing of the paralyticman ,Mathew chapter 9 verses one onwards. Here Jesus says, take heart my son, your sins are forgiven. Only God can forgive sin. By this act of forgiving sin Jesus show His divinity. It is the Word of God in Jesus was speaking. The act of Jesus cleansing the temple Mathew chapter 21 verses 12 onwards. The turning of tables of money changers in Jerusalem temple. Chasing the traders of doves and other sacrificial animals would under normal circumstances be a sin, If jesus the human had done this. It would be sinful of beating and destroying property of others. Similarly Jesus calls the phrases a brood of vipers hippocrites. These would be sinful for human Jesus, but these acts are not sinful, for Jesus the Word of God who has the authority to punish.
So the distinction is clear, of God Jesus, as God Jesus can do all these acts but human Jesus doing them would be sinful.
The God Jesus was all powerful. We see
that nature and its law obeying God Jesus, tells us about His divinity ,being the Word of God.
However, the human Jesus was forsaken by the Word of God, when He was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane. John chapter 18 verses 4 onwards. The Word of God distanced from human Jesus. It was the human jesus who was to be crucified and die for all mankind to fulfill the Law and the judgment, thereby redeeming all mankind. When Jesus said I am He the people who came to arrest Jesus drew back and fell to the ground. From that point onwards Jesus the human being went as human for the crucifixion.
When that mission was over, God the Father shifted Himself from being a judge, to again being the Father, as the Law was fulfilled. He once again became Father to Adam and eve and their descendents.
After jesus died, the Word of God again entered into the lifeless body of jesus and resurrected Him. Jesus regained His divinity as the Word of God is now once again is in Him. Jesus then regained paradise, went to hades to liberate the souls there and on the third day appeared on the earth.
When jesus was on this earth before His death, his divinity and humanity could be split, but after the resurrection His humanity is merged for ever in the Divinity . Therefore jesus is God because of the Word of God is in Him. He still has His human nature and that's why He is seated at the right hand of the Father. That is why Jesus the human is prophet, priest and king.
After the death of Jesus on the cross the Law being fulfilled, the judging God became Father God and Jesus became God's Son, two thousand years ago, when God bigotened Him. Jesus was God because He is the incarnated Word, when He was upon the earth. The Word of God is NOW know as the Son of God. That is why Christians belive the Father, Son and the Holy spirit is the Trinity, which earlier was known as Father, Word of God and Holy SpiritofGod.
This divine human jesus will come again soon, to judge the world and then rule over His kingdom for thousand year.
You must believe that Jesus is your redeemer and live by His command, only then, you will not have to go through the judgment route, all other people, will have to go through judgment. Now is the time to make your decision. Do you want to be saved by the grace of Jesus, which He has gained by His obedience to the Fathers command to die on the cross for all humanity. All mankind is saved. The condition is to accept Jesus as your Savior and to live by His teachings. If you fulfill both these conditions then you will not be judged but is saved by Jesus or you choose the judgment route, where you will have to answer for your life. If your life is blameless then you may receive the mercy of God and get everlasting life in God's kingdom. Why wait for judgment, it is wiser to be saved by Jesus when we are on earth and avoid judgment. The choice is ours.
This interpretation will answer all questions.
Can God incarnate as human. The answer is yes. The Word of God incarnated as a human jesus. However human cannot be God. That is why Jesus is perfect God and perfect mam.
How Jesus is God, because Jesus is the incarnation of the Word of God, who is God, the second person of trinity.
How jesus is the son of God, because God has begotten Jesus through Mary, two thousand years ago. as a human jesus, who as man must die for the sins of all mankind.
This proves Jesus the man died not as God because God cannot die.
Jesus is now in heaven after His resurrection and is God because He is now the Word of God. The human jesus is seated at the right hand of God as prophet, priest and king. You cannot now have a split, of the personality of jesus, as divinity is merged in the humanity of Jesus. That is why we now say the Trinity as Father, Son and the Holy spirit. Three persons in ONE God
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📖Acts.4:12 says.
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The inscriptions are clearly referencing Jesus and are intent on ending the Cristolgical debate. Would you say what Abdul Malik is presenting here is what is called the heresy of monarchism, there being no trinity ? The inscriptions encircle this rock, definitely pointing to it as the centerpiece of the shrine. I can see that the Syriac church who had the cave of treasures would see what was being said here, but how would the Orthodox party be convinced to receive this shrine if they had no previous devotion to this place?
It’s called “monarchianism” or more precisely “dynamic monarchianism”. But yes, that’s exactly what we’re looking at.
As for how trinitarian Christians would have received it, we can only speculate. If Pseudo-Methodius was actually referencing real history and not just apocalyptic beliefs about the end times, then many people converted quickly. I have my doubts though. I think it’s more likely that Pseudo-Methodius is talking about an apocalyptic future. I think it was more likely a slow, gradual process, at least in Syria and Palestine. And we know that in Egypt it took centuries for Islam to become dominant.
But I don’t doubt that people back then understood the symbolism of the Dome of the Rock, no matter their religion. They may have rejected the symbolism or parts of it, but they would have been aware of it.
At 9:37 What is your proof that the word ''deen'' (الدِّينَ) means The right interpretation of the Scripture? very dishonest translation!
DEEN means RELIGION but you don't want this word ... so you made up, fabricated a meaning to hide the truth. Dishonest!
The understanding of this word results from its antonym, which immediately follows: ‘ihtalafa (to be in disagreement). The Arabic "islam" reproduces the Syro-Aramaic.
See also the Thesaurus Syriacus: "al-ittifaq", "al-muwafaqa", "ijma", for which "la salmuta" = "hilaf" is given as the antonym.
See also Michael Sokoloff, A Dictionary of Jewish Palestinian Aramaic, Bar Ilah University Press, first published 1990, second printing 1992, p. 147a/b, under
(din): 8. “exegetical interpretation of scripture.”
The reading of "din" as "religion" is yet another anachronism.
@@TAlexander Thanks for your reply. I thought we can understand a word first by its root not by its antonym.
For Arabic terms:
Ikhtilaf: means disagreement, difference and is a term for Islamic scholarly religious disagreement
Ijma: means agreement and is a term for the consensus or agreement of Islamic scholars on a point of Islamic law
So ikhtilaf is the opposite of ijma
I don’t think someone can understand the word din by this antonym or those opposite words.
Now about the word ‘’din’’ (دين)
You translate din by ‘’ The right interpretation of the Scripture’’ and give also from a dictionary ‘’ exegetical interpretation of scripture’’. To me, it looks loke more of a definition than a translation.
In Islam din means or translate by law, judgement, custom, religion depending on the context. Like for yawm al-din (يوم الدين) is generally translate by the Day of Judgement. If din is translated by religion, it’s because all the laws and customs from Allah become our beliefs and way of life, so our Religion.
On Wikipedia … Din (Arabic)
The Arabic dīn has Semitic cognates, including the Hebrew "dīn" (דין), Aramaic dīnā (דִּינָא), Amharic dañä (ዳኘ) and Ugaritic dyn (𐎄𐎊𐎐).
On Wikipedia … Dina (Aramaic)
Dina d'malkhuta dina (דִּינָא דְּמַלְכוּתָא דִּינָא) means "the law of the Government [in civil cases] is law," or "the law of the land is the law" is a principle in Jewish religious law that the civil law of the country is binding upon the Jewish inhabitants of that country, and, in certain cases, is to be preferred to Jewish law. The principle of dina d'malchuta dina means that for Jews, obedience to the civil law of the country in which they live is viewed as a religiously mandated obligation and disobedience is a transgression, according to Jewish law.
So, Arabic din means law, judgement, custom, religion and Aramaic Dina means law. So they are similar.
According to my little research, ‘’The right interpretation of the Scripture’’ or even ‘’exegetical interpretation of scripture’’ is not a good translation for din and translate by Religion is the best in this case.
Was Abdul Malek a Umayad then?
so the name Muhammad originally just meant 'prophet of God'? Are there records of anyone being called 'Muhammad' before the so called prophet Muhammad or was he the first?
it's clear
A. LETTER TO TIMOTHY 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus!
Mattew 24:36
36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mattew 23:8-10
8 But be not ye called teachers. for one is your Teacher, even Christ. 9 You are all brothers. And call no man father (Spiritual)upon the earth. for one is Father, which is in heaven.10 And be not ye called masters. for one is your Master, even Christ....
“YOU must not let people call you ‘leaders’-you have only one leader, Christ!” (Matthew 23:10, The New Testament) With these words, Jesus made it plain to his followers that no man on earth would be their leader. Their one Leader would be heavenly-Jesus Christ himself. Jesus holds this position by divine appointment..
Jehovah “raised him up from the dead and . . . made him head over all things to the congregation, which is his body.”-Ephesians 1:20-23.
2 Since Christ is “head over all things” with regard to the Christian congregation, he exercises his authority over all that takes place within the congregation. Nothing that occurs within the congregation escapes his notice. He closely observes the spiritual condition of each group of Christians, or congregation. This is clearly apparent in the revelation given to the apostle John at the end of the first century C.E. To seven congregations, Jesus stated five times that he knew their deeds, their strong points, and their weaknesses, and he gave counsel and encouragement accordingly. (Revelation 2:2, 9, 13, 19; 3:1,8,15,17) There is every reason to believe that Christ was equally familiar with the spiritual condition of other congregations in Asia Minor, Palestine, Syria, Babylonia, Greece, Italy, and elsewhere. (Acts 1:8) What of today?
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