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Dragonite’s Pokédex description in gen 3 is “It is a kindhearted POKéMON that leads lost and foundering ships in a storm to the safety of land.” So Drake and those on his ship could have been saved by a dragonite and since then Drake could have become a dragon type trainer to honor that Pokémon who saved him.
Seems to me like the Abandonned Ship simply ran aground on some sort of sand bar or rocky outcrop. It didn't sink, but is no more sea worthy and was left to rot on the rocks.
And Drake doesn't have to do something with it. Because there is a whole episode in the anime where he fights against ash on his own ship - which is not stranded.
Exactly... You clearly WALK onto the ship... Loads of cracks where the hull is wrecked, the pool of water again, from the damage... Maybe just scraping the barrel for mysteries
I think that drake was actually saved by a dragonite at sea, since dragonite is known to help those lost at sea or in shipwrecks. Hence why drake specializes in dragon types
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I think the story of the team of Maxie and Archie is something like this: They both met somewhere when they were young and already had their mindset about the world not being good enough in its state as it is. But they both didn't knew about Groudon and Kyogre on that point in time. They met and agreed on many topics and liked each other because of that, so they found out that they both wanted the world to change and since they may had become friends under this vision they wanted to do it together. They formed a team and hired some people who would believe in their vision. They researched old legends and stuff and got on track of the two legendarys. That's where the disaster began. Maxie had more interest in Groudon and thought it suits the role as the weapon to change the world at best. But Archie thought the opposite. That's where they began to disagree. They had fights about who was right and what they should do. And they found out that they're not as same as they thought. Maybe they looked back at points where they disagreed about little things, on which they didn't give much about on that time, but now they thought something like "How could I overlook this?" So they had discussions, maybe even a Pokémon fight. So they began to hate each other, most likely where very disappointed and in the end they split the team. Asked the members to choose between the two of them and went their own ways.
I always thought as a kid that the white rock has something to do with Jirachi or Deoxys, since they're coming from outer space and the white rock is located downstairs, near the mossdeep space center. 😅
The unified "evil" team were nature preservers. One chose an extreme and the other tried to stop them. And to make it a bit more fun they gave each game an different evil side. Fun fact, rayquaza is also hinted at in the Johto anime series, by way of the spirit of the dragon tooth. So my interpretation is that the dragon folks are the dragon tamers of gen 2.
@Max TheGEON Considering the games came out in 2001 and they didn't even expect to make sequels to gen 2, its highly unlikely they were thinking anywhere near that far ahead.
My theory on the Draconid clan is that they split up to the other regions, either to 1) try and gather allies for an event that ended up being resolved before they could return, so they stayed to foster relations; 2) the clan fractured over differing ideals or 3) saw that their might was needed all over the world. Whatever the case, it's my hypothesis that after going their own ways, they ended up producing the people we know see as the various Dragon-type trainers across the various regions.
ARCHIE CALLED HIS GRUNTS “Simps” OML If only these games were made after this meme so it would be even funnier Edit: ok meme unfunny now too many people took simp way out of what it was for
In Pokemon Masters, We learn that, while sailing with Briney back in the day, Drake encountered a massive storm. This storm caused his ship to be adrift for several days, having taken heavy damage from the storm. Drake is then saved by a wandering Dragonite. True to Pokedex entry form, Dragonite regularly lead lost ships back to land. This event is what caused Drake to then dedicate his life to becoming a Pokemon trainer, speficially that of the type that saved him. TL;DR It is most likely the ship that Drake was able to take back to shore, but was abandoned in the wake of his newfound goal.
I still think the AU version of Brendan is descended from a branch of the same tribe as Zinna and there what I think is subtle hints that prove this. First Brendan moved to Hoenn from Johto and Zinna said there would be a time when the descendants would return to Hoenn and Brendan and his family moved from Johto to Hoenn back to the land where the original ancestors of the tribe lived, and then there's the fact throughout the Delta Episode Zinna told Brendan the legend concerning the ancient ancestors of the tribe and according to rules, and customs of the tribe Zinna as the Lorekeeper can only tell tribe members who prove worthy enough to hear it, and she tells Brendan the entirety of the legend.
About Maxie and Archie, the emerald chapter of the manga makes me believe they were after Jirachi and wanting to wish for a better world or just for the truth in itself but they argued and separated wanting to screw up each others plan in every way which is why they went look for Kyogre and Groudon afterwards as they were always fighting too
The third generation of Pokémon is my personal favorite. It by far has the best legendaries and all the new mechanics it introduced in the remakes makes it so much sweeter
Umm....there's actually an NPC in Mauville city that states that New Mauville, Sea Mauville, and Mauville city are all connected through a corporate group that all went under. They apparently held the legal rights to every one of them. This is the business man by the pokemart in the ORAS games.
I dont remember New Mauville being a doomsday home thing. Lol makes sense tho. I probably didnt pay attention during that part of the game since I wanted spiritomb
5:45 The ship literally has a hole in the floor full a water and sitting in water shallow enough that you walk on the ship. A storm knocked the ship off course and it hit the map edge, punched a hole in it and ran it aground. Mystery solved..
Hoenn was my 1st gen. I love the region, my favourite starter is Blaziken, my favourite pokemon Absol is from Hoenn, I love E4 and Steven. Not to say anything about Team Aqua and Team Magma. I love their leaders and how they later realise their mistake. Learning more about what I call my "home region" makes me very happy. Those videos are very interesting. Please keep it up! Best wishes!
Pokemon Sapphire was my first game. I love the region and all its watery trunpety glory. I always chose swamp but Blaziken is my favorite in competitive, Metagross is my favourite non legendary tied with Shuckle. Kyogre is the best legendary, Steven is my favourite champion. Also Archie and Maxie aren't bad people they just let there dreams get ahead of them. They both care deeply for hoenn and want the best outcome in there minds. Any time I hear about hoenn I can't help but slap nostalgia goggles on as if I were going through route 111 and sand was getting in my eyes. 17 years later gen 3 is still my favorite gen and that's likely never going to change.
I have a theory about New Mauville that is revolves around something that you normally wouldn't think about in a Pokemon game. Generation 6 is very war and destruction centric, thanks to Kalos. Even though the events of Kalos technically happen after the events of Hoenn in the games' timline, there is something that sticks out that actually relates to the real world. Hoenn is based off of the real life Kyushu region in Japan. What's in the Kyushu region? The city of Nagasaki. Now, this technically is closer in relation to Slateport in the Hoenn games, but then again the closest city to Slateport is Mauville. It's my theory that Hoenn was actually involved in the Kalos war 3000 years ago and that the Ultimate Weapon ended up striking Slateport - just like how Nagasaki was atomically bombed. Fast forward 3000 years later, and all of a sudden there is a rise in the number of criminal organizations in the Pokemon world. I don't think it's too farfretched to assume that Team Flare has been around well before the events of X and Y. What are some other themes in X and Y? Life and Death. What is one place you want to go to in X and Y? The Kalos power plant. It is my theory that Wattson is actually and ex-Team Flare member and that these experiments that killed Pokemon for Infinity Energy started in Kalos. Wattson, of course, being an expert in electricity, machinery, and electric-type Pokemon was possibly recruited into Team Flare as a scientist studying these things. At some point, he must have realized Lysandre's plans and left the team, just like Malva. When he returned to Hoenn, he reluctantly continued the experiments that he was doing for Team Flare in order to save the Hoenn region - specifically its most important city and his home - from having to endure another catastrophe like the neighboring Slateport did in the event that Lysandre was successful. The plans for New Mauville and Sea Mauville were then abandoned, however, once Ultra Wormholes were discovered. As we know, Ultra Wormholes were discovered during the events of ORAS. This meant that if Lysandre was successful, and the Ultimate Weapon was to set its sights on Hoenn, that and Ultra Wormhole could be opened to detour the destructive force to a different universe rather than trying to evacuate the citizens of Mauville into New Mauville. This would not only save that city, but most likely the people of the entire region.
Just because the ship isn't at the bottom of the water doesn't mean it 1) didn't "sink" or 2) is able to be recovered. Technically, it is "sunk," just in shallow water. And think about the options of trying to recover it: If it has to be seaworthy just to get it out of the shallows, then the hull would have to be completely repaired to be water-tight. And if it's essentially on land, it would need to be fully extricated from the mass of land under it, so that's going to take a strong ship to pull it out. Pulling it out also causes massive friction, so then you're back to the issue of the strength of the damaged hull. Both of those are amplified by how long it has remained there and that compounds VERY quickly. And then you have to remember that whatever caused the ship to be beached, might also cause any recovery efforts to end in the same way. And all for what? Is the ship worth all of that? The answer is almost always "no." And yes, I know that in a world where there are Pokemon, the argument can be made to use them for recovery, but that also puts them in danger and still doesn't solve the problem of the hull opening up further from friction and water flow once that space is open to the water. It's why you see ships more likely to be abandoned than recovered and why it's so difficult to save large aquatic animals once they have been beached and why it's even difficult for them to save themselves. Not much of a mystery in my mind.
I was thinking, after mentioning the apocalypse bunker, if a war was to break out between the Regions in Pokémon who do you think the victors or survivors would be?
Assuming they use pokemon to fight, Sinnoh is home to some of the strongest, and the mountains would limit the size of potential battles. Hoenn also has potential with its islands. Kanto and Johto would be basically doomed unless they worked together.
Of you look at the water where the abandoned ship was you will see that it is the same color as shallow water. Meaning it likely just ran aground and it was too expensive to recover the ship after the crew was rescued.
I think when archi and maxie were on good terms with each other the team was called team obsidian or team stone because when lave and water come in contact with each other they create obsidian or stone and they could've got on bad terms with each other because in order for obsidian to be created lava has to be more in power and in order for stone to be created water has to be more in power and they probably got on bad terms because no what team they were on, obsidian or stone one would still be more powerful so what if one person was jealous they probably got into a fight breaking team apart into two teams, magma and aqua.
i remember back in the day hearing a theory that the abandoned ship was actually ss anne and that thats why it never came back. also what if the quote about archie and maxie once being on the same team was actually a reference? like what if the developers originally intended for there to be one evil team that got split into two xD
It's really a pity that there is so little known about Archie's and Maxie's background. Must have been something pretty severe in their past that had them turn from team mates and likely friends to outright hating each other.
In the first mystery about the abandoned ship it is most likely Drake's ship. In pokemon masters Drake's exact words are "Long time ago, my friend Briney and I were trying to become the greatest sailors in the world. We dreamed of mastering every sea route there is. But then, one day, when I was out to sea, my ship got caught in a storm. Somehow, I avoided sinking, but I was adrift for days after that. I had used up the last of my food and water, so I thought I was done for, but then a Dragonite appeared in the sky." 👏 Nice video and nice theories btw 👌
Late to the party, but here's a theory that popped into my mind that would link a few of the mysteries in this video. The New Mauville was built as a doomsday bunker to house civilians in case of an cataclysmic event. With the Hoenn native Legendaries all sealed away at the time when construction begun, what would have posed as the threat? My answer? The Generation VI exclusive Mirage Spots. The Mirage Spots are the game's answer to reintroducing non Kalos native Legendary Pokemon in Generation VI. And how do they appear? By dropping out of portals that look eerily similar to the rings used by Hoopa. With knowledge that the Legendary Pokemon hold immense power, with the two biggest Hoenn native ones (by lore) famous for fighting each other, it is not illogical to infer that these portals could bring about powerful beings that could wreck Hoenn. We did get a very similar element with the Ultra Beasts just one generation later. I propose that Hoopa's ability to bend dimensions has inspired the Greater Mauville Holdings in Generation VI Hoenn to attempt to do the same through researching Infinity Energy. This is later shown in the Delta Episode, where Professor Cozmo and Steven Stone intend to use Infinity Energy to open the warp hole in space to send the meteor to another dimension. Professor Cozmo's father was a staff member aboard Sea Mauville, where they tried to harness Infinity Energy. The aforementioned strategy could also have been the Hoenn League's preferred way to deal with the aforementioned threat posed by Mirage Spots. I further propose that Maxie and Archie were also members of this project under the Greater Mauville Holdings. Maxie was probably in charge of New Mauville and its excavation, which would help explain why his Team Magma in Generation VI was focused on promoting humanity's progress. Generation VI New Mauville was meant to protect humans in the event of a catastrophy, after all. Meanwhile, Archie was probably involved with the operation of Sea Mauville. This first hand experience of the harvesting of Infinity Energy would explain why his Team Aqua in Generation VI was focused on returning the world to the Pokemon and free them from humanity.
In the abandoned ship, sense in the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire lugia is found in sea manville with is technically the abandoned ship. So maybe lugia was the cause of drake abandoning the ship??
The Nerdy Skater but if they take place at the same time, then is it not possible that when the S.S. Anne leaves Vermilion City after Red talks to the captain, it then sails to Hoenn and gets wrecked?
@@alexpine8295 I would think the abandoned ship is older looking and too run down for it to be a fresh shipwreck. Plus I'm sure NPC in the ship talk about it being there for a good while
Hi... great video and i love hoenn :) ... but in the case of phoebe... not to be rude but... its only one ghost girl for phoebe and the little girl that appears near her its believe to be phoebe's grandmother but as a child since you can find her on mt pyre talking to a tomb, the one on XY seems to be a completly different ghost girl
Because Lugia's portal is within the Sea Mauville, I think that the sea guardian must have sunk it. Perhaps the people's plan to avoid the apocalypse was so misguided and reckless that Lugia saw fit to destroy the ship.
These Hoenn mysteries are very interesting! I'd like to learn more about them someday in the re-remakes, if that ever happens. Or if we learned more about it in a different region somewhere down the line, that would be awesome!
Many ghost ships are abandoned because they were damaged and sinking, but, when the crew abandoned it, its bouyency was corrected and they continued floating/sailing. That's what I think is going on with the Abandoned Ship. Though there are people on it now, they might be far less than what was on it when it got damaged. Not to mention they could have taken some of the cargo off since then, lightening its load farther.
Theory: the 2 ghost girls are Liz and Kate, but they somehow diyed (yes is said diyid) and they used a machine like Mr. Fugi's to make the Liz and Kate we all know today.
For the first mystery: a guy in slateport says they dump old ship's for Pokemon. If this isn't the case, the ship being on the surface may be because a strong Pokemon used earthquake and, when tectonic plates come apart, rock usually sprout from the gaps. If an earthquake were to happen quickly and very powerfully, a rock may sprout up. For the new mauvile one: they could have known that groudon abd kyogre would be awakened. This means that Watson may have been part of the 'rayquaza' team or knew maxie or archie personnaly. He seems too jolly to me, so I think he's hiding something.
Drake mentions in pokemon master he was stuck out in sea once while sailing with briney. Something happened and got separated. Then a dragonite came to his rescue. Crazy stuff man
Great vid as always Hoops. I thought of a theory about the abandoned ship during your video. What if Team Aqua attacked the ship,wanting to take it for their own but in the end of the attack,the ship was clearly ruined beyond use. Sadly there isn't really any hint for something like this.
It's wild that we kinda know now what happened with Archie and Maxie's original team, since it was either some modern incarnation of the Diamond and Pearl clans or the Galaxy Team of Hisui
Just thinking about the first mystery involving the abandoned ship, I think that what happened was that it had been targeted by team Aqua before the player comes into the scene. This is judging by the fact that Archie the leader of Team Aqua actually commanders the submarine that was built in the game
No one really ever mentions it, but the whole scene with the ghost & Phoebe "kinda" has three camera angles with ghosts. The first when it fades out and the third being obscured by the player. The second is right after the fade out, when Phoebe says, "I did my training on Mt. Pyre." Notice where the camera is in the room and where the girl was. The camera bobs up and down just as it gets closer to Phoebe and the Player. It's straight up the ghost's pov, which is why I said "kinda." We don't see them but they're there. Little update edit: The camera even hops down to a lower height level before moving forward. 10:40 - 10:44
Maybe the reason why they needed a post apocalyptic city was due to the original team that the two leaders were in may have lead the people to believe that was the case
I always thought Phoebe's ghost girls had something to do with Phoebe's Banettes. Since in its Pokedex Banettes seeks after the kids that threw it away.
Phoebes Ghost girl is likely her little sister who died falling off Mt Pyre. After beating her and completing the Delta Episode you can see her talking to some graves that are probably her sister and her parents
Archie and maxie being on the same team is probably related to pokemon legends arceus and how each of them were at a point head of diamond and pearl clan
Regigigas is probably the reason for their evil motivation later. Regigigas moved a continent and when they saw this one of them saw the massive continent as a big power and wanted all the land for himself and to create new land. For the other he saw the open sea and how he could be the first one to rule over it. To pursue their different ambitions they sought after pokemon that would either create continents or remove them completely (by taking them under water), just like regigigas did. This is further supported by the fact that in hisui you can find regigigas sleeping. which is where diamond and pearl clan was settled where both of them were head of. Maybe Regigas moved the Sinjoh region and created it? who knows
Pokemon XD was released around the same time and it was shown in the opening cutscenes that Lugia was stealing a ship. That shop is accounted for in the game however we can't be sure this would be the only ship they would steal nor that they didn't have any failed test runs.
The ship was attacked by a Tentacruel. The small holes were it's limbs that pierced through. Old Sea history myths often speak of giant sea creatures with tentacles that attacked passing ships.
The Abadonned Ship did not sink because it's sitting either on top or rocks or coral (A herd of Corsola even maybe?). It was not able to move anymore, so it was evacuated. That's what it looks like on the overworld.
Perhaps the ORAS New Mauville bunker was created out of fear that a Hoenn from an alternate dimension (a.k.a. the one without Mega Evolution from Gen III) would do the same thing ORAS Hoenn's scientists were about to do: send a meteorite to the alternate Hoenn, since the ORAS scientists assumed that if they could develop the technology, the other Hoenn should be able to do it as well.
Are there any weird theories about that Truck in gen 1 games? In the cassino theres also some abandoned truck keys on the table (but not visible and cannot be picked up)
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@HoopsandHipHop No
No
Raid sucks balls :)
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No
Dragonite’s Pokédex description in gen 3 is “It is a kindhearted POKéMON that leads lost and foundering ships in a storm to the safety of land.” So Drake and those on his ship could have been saved by a dragonite and since then Drake could have become a dragon type trainer to honor that Pokémon who saved him.
Derek Richardson this makes sense
He does own one too if I'm not mistaken at all
Yes, makes sense. But Drake would own a Dragonite if he would honor him.
@@sillybnuuy well dratini and dragonite are rare
Pixel Well it does match the pokedex entry of Dragonite.
I can’t help but think each bunker is supposed to be for if Groudon wins or if kyogre wins in a fight since one is in the sea and one is on land
Aidan Low and I think it was made by team
Flare to survive the Ultimate weapon
@Hop Pokemon exactly
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Raid laughs like Plankton, doesn’t it?
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Seems to me like the Abandonned Ship simply ran aground on some sort of sand bar or rocky outcrop. It didn't sink, but is no more sea worthy and was left to rot on the rocks.
And Drake doesn't have to do something with it. Because there is a whole episode in the anime where he fights against ash on his own ship - which is not stranded.
@@zimablue3166 do you know that games and anime follows different canon right?
@@SoraNeku the animes core is based of the games since generation one. But it follows different paths to make the story more appealing.
Exactly... You clearly WALK onto the ship... Loads of cracks where the hull is wrecked, the pool of water again, from the damage... Maybe just scraping the barrel for mysteries
@@joey7116 Could still be interesting to learn more about it but it's not really that big of a deal. This kind of thing happens.
I think that drake was actually saved by a dragonite at sea, since dragonite is known to help those lost at sea or in shipwrecks. Hence why drake specializes in dragon types
Or salamance
But he doesn't own one
Great mystery:
Why you were stuffed in the back of the truck
hiding from border patrol
@Brendan Warren Is that really what they found?
Carlos Rodriguez r/whooosh
ReBoRnXGolden you should have said yes
@@ReBoRnXGolden wow you have reddit wow we're so amazed
All I'm saying is... an Emerald remake would be pretty dope.... give us back the Battle Frontier
give us back maxie,archie and most important
HARDENSHIPPING
Maybe they're saving it for a remake on the switch? It is one of the popular regions
Garvis Davis69 imagine if they made the remakes they never did on the 3ds.
Delta Emerald
Pokémon Z
They should of made it like SS and HG if they did, take out the megas, have the sprites fallow you and throw in the new gens in the Hoenn region
Heck yeah
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we're all sick of hearing about it but this is freaking awesome for creators, youtube as a monetary platform has never been stable unless you've gotten sponsorships or are huge like pewdiepie or whatever. so it's great to see so many smaller channels getting that peace of mind from a game that looks reasonably well made, and we can just skip forward in the video to when it starts. win win
@Kevin Thompson No
Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z
@I am Here lol
@@kevandre That makes it quite understandable in my opinion
I'll tell you what made Drake abandon the ship...sharp rocks....that's it
holes in the haul made it run aground on the sharp rocks
unable to free the ship it was abandoned
as a kid i thought it was a sister ship to ss anne
Stealth rock is op
I think the story of the team of Maxie and Archie is something like this: They both met somewhere when they were young and already had their mindset about the world not being good enough in its state as it is. But they both didn't knew about Groudon and Kyogre on that point in time. They met and agreed on many topics and liked each other because of that, so they found out that they both wanted the world to change and since they may had become friends under this vision they wanted to do it together. They formed a team and hired some people who would believe in their vision. They researched old legends and stuff and got on track of the two legendarys. That's where the disaster began. Maxie had more interest in Groudon and thought it suits the role as the weapon to change the world at best. But Archie thought the opposite. That's where they began to disagree. They had fights about who was right and what they should do. And they found out that they're not as same as they thought. Maybe they looked back at points where they disagreed about little things, on which they didn't give much about on that time, but now they thought something like "How could I overlook this?"
So they had discussions, maybe even a Pokémon fight. So they began to hate each other, most likely where very disappointed and in the end they split the team. Asked the members to choose between the two of them and went their own ways.
sounds like hashirama and madara in Naruto hahaha
Yes exactly
10:41 We're literally looking at the trainers from the ghost girl's perspective. Even jumping off the chair and walking towards them.
Id say a mystery from my childhood adventure is the white rock on mossdeep
CapnYellow YES lol. I think it’s a meteorite tho.
It might be a reference to some sort of real world meteor somewhere in Japan?
Yes
I always thought as a kid that the white rock has something to do with Jirachi or Deoxys, since they're coming from outer space and the white rock is located downstairs, near the mossdeep space center. 😅
@@Gagafreak92 i though it had something to do with reshiram
If Archie and Maxie were on the same team it would probably be called 'Team Steam'
@Pott Rott Makes sense
That would be a cool team ngl
Maybe then a team to counter them would be team nature so it’s the three starter elements
In kahoot i called my self team steam
To get rayquaza and never change the weather because it will cause hunger...
Here come the steam train! Choo Choo!
Maxie and Archie probably were simply Team Nature: trying to better nature itself, but split on how to do that.
Exactly! their beliefs were the opposite of each other thus causing conflict between them.
Heck maybe they just left team nature and team nature fell
Team Beach
This mf calls them simps at 7:35 🤣
Hoenn is one of my favorite Pokémon regions because it was the very first time we had 2 Evil Teams
And it's not entirely evil.
The abandoned ship isn't floating, it ran ashore on some rocks
I'm more interested of what's down the stairs of New Mauville
@Pott Rott Nah, it's Jirachi ;)
The unified "evil" team were nature preservers.
One chose an extreme and the other tried to stop them. And to make it a bit more fun they gave each game an different evil side.
Fun fact, rayquaza is also hinted at in the Johto anime series, by way of the spirit of the dragon tooth.
So my interpretation is that the dragon folks are the dragon tamers of gen 2.
Go Team Ozone! (Just a speculation for their name)
Spikira
Pokémon Lets Go Ozone!
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What if that team actually is a hint at Rainbow Rocket, messing with possible time travel events and such
@Max TheGEON
Considering the games came out in 2001 and they didn't even expect to make sequels to gen 2, its highly unlikely they were thinking anywhere near that far ahead.
My theory on the Draconid clan is that they split up to the other regions, either to 1) try and gather allies for an event that ended up being resolved before they could return, so they stayed to foster relations; 2) the clan fractured over differing ideals or 3) saw that their might was needed all over the world. Whatever the case, it's my hypothesis that after going their own ways, they ended up producing the people we know see as the various Dragon-type trainers across the various regions.
ARCHIE CALLED HIS GRUNTS “Simps” OML
If only these games were made after this meme so it would be even funnier
Edit: ok meme unfunny now too many people took simp way out of what it was for
Extreme Depression lmaoo.
I think Maxie does too. But Matt was kinda a simp tbh.
Sneasel maxie saying it makes it even funnier lmao
Koba ah yes, one person thinks memes are unfunny, certainly this means that’s a direct fact.
Koba you need a hug
Koba feelsgoodman
In Pokemon Masters,
We learn that, while sailing with Briney back in the day, Drake encountered a massive storm.
This storm caused his ship to be adrift for several days, having taken heavy damage from the storm.
Drake is then saved by a wandering Dragonite. True to Pokedex entry form, Dragonite regularly lead lost ships back to land.
This event is what caused Drake to then dedicate his life to becoming a Pokemon trainer, speficially that of the type that saved him.
TL;DR
It is most likely the ship that Drake was able to take back to shore, but was abandoned in the wake of his newfound goal.
7:40 maxie wrote a review for ORAS saying "7.4/10 too much water"
I still think the AU version of Brendan is descended from a branch of the same tribe as Zinna and there what I think is subtle hints that prove this. First Brendan moved to Hoenn from Johto and Zinna said there would be a time when the descendants would return to Hoenn and Brendan and his family moved from Johto to Hoenn back to the land where the original ancestors of the tribe lived, and then there's the fact throughout the Delta Episode Zinna told Brendan the legend concerning the ancient ancestors of the tribe and according to rules, and customs of the tribe Zinna as the Lorekeeper can only tell tribe members who prove worthy enough to hear it, and she tells Brendan the entirety of the legend.
About Maxie and Archie, the emerald chapter of the manga makes me believe they were after Jirachi and wanting to wish for a better world or just for the truth in itself but they argued and separated wanting to screw up each others plan in every way which is why they went look for Kyogre and Groudon afterwards as they were always fighting too
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The third generation of Pokémon is my personal favorite. It by far has the best legendaries and all the new mechanics it introduced in the remakes makes it so much sweeter
It's not just idly floating, its grounded fully on a sandbar, like the one you jumped onto right before going to the boat.
Umm....there's actually an NPC in Mauville city that states that New Mauville, Sea Mauville, and Mauville city are all connected through a corporate group that all went under. They apparently held the legal rights to every one of them.
This is the business man by the pokemart in the ORAS games.
Laurel Aeon Project Azoth.
I dont remember New Mauville being a doomsday home thing. Lol makes sense tho. I probably didnt pay attention during that part of the game since I wanted spiritomb
I don't remember that either, or the killing of any pokemon.
5:45 The ship literally has a hole in the floor full a water and sitting in water shallow enough that you walk on the ship. A storm knocked the ship off course and it hit the map edge, punched a hole in it and ran it aground. Mystery solved..
The ghost started in gen 4 in the old chateau
There is also a woman ghost on that snow route heading to the Ice Gym City
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Hoenn was my 1st gen. I love the region, my favourite starter is Blaziken, my favourite pokemon Absol is from Hoenn, I love E4 and Steven. Not to say anything about Team Aqua and Team Magma. I love their leaders and how they later realise their mistake. Learning more about what I call my "home region" makes me very happy. Those videos are very interesting. Please keep it up! Best wishes!
@Red Rum yes, Hoenn is wonderful! It really stands out!
My first region was hoenn too! And my starter was mudkip. Although I got lost in victory road and never got out, it was a good adventure.
@Red Rum can't really go wrong with any of the starters, and thats what I like so much about them.
My first region was kalos, yay.
Pokemon Sapphire was my first game. I love the region and all its watery trunpety glory. I always chose swamp but Blaziken is my favorite in competitive, Metagross is my favourite non legendary tied with Shuckle. Kyogre is the best legendary, Steven is my favourite champion. Also Archie and Maxie aren't bad people they just let there dreams get ahead of them. They both care deeply for hoenn and want the best outcome in there minds. Any time I hear about hoenn I can't help but slap nostalgia goggles on as if I were going through route 111 and sand was getting in my eyes. 17 years later gen 3 is still my favorite gen and that's likely never going to change.
My personal headcanon is that Archie and Maxie used to be in the same team at Sea Mauville and saw different meanings in its fall.
I have a theory about New Mauville that is revolves around something that you normally wouldn't think about in a Pokemon game. Generation 6 is very war and destruction centric, thanks to Kalos. Even though the events of Kalos technically happen after the events of Hoenn in the games' timline, there is something that sticks out that actually relates to the real world. Hoenn is based off of the real life Kyushu region in Japan. What's in the Kyushu region? The city of Nagasaki. Now, this technically is closer in relation to Slateport in the Hoenn games, but then again the closest city to Slateport is Mauville. It's my theory that Hoenn was actually involved in the Kalos war 3000 years ago and that the Ultimate Weapon ended up striking Slateport - just like how Nagasaki was atomically bombed. Fast forward 3000 years later, and all of a sudden there is a rise in the number of criminal organizations in the Pokemon world. I don't think it's too farfretched to assume that Team Flare has been around well before the events of X and Y.
What are some other themes in X and Y? Life and Death. What is one place you want to go to in X and Y? The Kalos power plant. It is my theory that Wattson is actually and ex-Team Flare member and that these experiments that killed Pokemon for Infinity Energy started in Kalos. Wattson, of course, being an expert in electricity, machinery, and electric-type Pokemon was possibly recruited into Team Flare as a scientist studying these things. At some point, he must have realized Lysandre's plans and left the team, just like Malva. When he returned to Hoenn, he reluctantly continued the experiments that he was doing for Team Flare in order to save the Hoenn region - specifically its most important city and his home - from having to endure another catastrophe like the neighboring Slateport did in the event that Lysandre was successful. The plans for New Mauville and Sea Mauville were then abandoned, however, once Ultra Wormholes were discovered. As we know, Ultra Wormholes were discovered during the events of ORAS. This meant that if Lysandre was successful, and the Ultimate Weapon was to set its sights on Hoenn, that and Ultra Wormhole could be opened to detour the destructive force to a different universe rather than trying to evacuate the citizens of Mauville into New Mauville. This would not only save that city, but most likely the people of the entire region.
The portals that have the legendaries in them? Pretty sure those aren't ultra wormholes, they're portals made by the mythical Pokémon Hoopa
Just because the ship isn't at the bottom of the water doesn't mean it 1) didn't "sink" or 2) is able to be recovered. Technically, it is "sunk," just in shallow water. And think about the options of trying to recover it: If it has to be seaworthy just to get it out of the shallows, then the hull would have to be completely repaired to be water-tight. And if it's essentially on land, it would need to be fully extricated from the mass of land under it, so that's going to take a strong ship to pull it out. Pulling it out also causes massive friction, so then you're back to the issue of the strength of the damaged hull. Both of those are amplified by how long it has remained there and that compounds VERY quickly. And then you have to remember that whatever caused the ship to be beached, might also cause any recovery efforts to end in the same way. And all for what? Is the ship worth all of that? The answer is almost always "no." And yes, I know that in a world where there are Pokemon, the argument can be made to use them for recovery, but that also puts them in danger and still doesn't solve the problem of the hull opening up further from friction and water flow once that space is open to the water. It's why you see ships more likely to be abandoned than recovered and why it's so difficult to save large aquatic animals once they have been beached and why it's even difficult for them to save themselves. Not much of a mystery in my mind.
I was thinking, after mentioning the apocalypse bunker, if a war was to break out between the Regions in Pokémon who do you think the victors or survivors would be?
Assuming they use pokemon to fight, Sinnoh is home to some of the strongest, and the mountains would limit the size of potential battles. Hoenn also has potential with its islands. Kanto and Johto would be basically doomed unless they worked together.
Would Kalos be able to use the Ultimate Weapon?
EM11212 actually galar because eternamax eternatus
@@Unifoseum I was ignoring legendaries mostly.
Well if you count legends only a couple regions have legends that specifically want to protect their regions. Like zygarde, the wolf duo, etc.
I am surprised that the pictures of Maxie/Archie with jurachi that you can find in the team Magma/Aqua bases didn’t get a mention it is a big mystery
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The abandonned ship is stuck on a reef, that's why it's still mainly above water, my guess is that it got into a storm or something...
7:15 so archie and maxie are kinda like superman and batman from the injustice timeline 😂
Of you look at the water where the abandoned ship was you will see that it is the same color as shallow water. Meaning it likely just ran aground and it was too expensive to recover the ship after the crew was rescued.
Hi, Hoops. I believe the draconids are the same people as the dragon tamers, which would make Lance and Clair draconids.
maybe the post-apocalyptic thing the hoenn region was worried about was the volcano erupting and maybe astra was zinnia's mom
I think when archi and maxie were on good terms with each other the team was called team obsidian or team stone because when lave and water come in contact with each other they create obsidian or stone and they could've got on bad terms with each other because in order for obsidian to be created lava has to be more in power and in order for stone to be created water has to be more in power and they probably got on bad terms because no what team they were on, obsidian or stone one would still be more powerful so what if one person was jealous they probably got into a fight breaking team apart into two teams, magma and aqua.
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i remember back in the day hearing a theory that the abandoned ship was actually ss anne and that thats why it never came back.
also what if the quote about archie and maxie once being on the same team was actually a reference? like what if the developers originally intended for there to be one evil team that got split into two xD
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It's really a pity that there is so little known about Archie's and Maxie's background. Must have been something pretty severe in their past that had them turn from team mates and likely friends to outright hating each other.
In the first mystery about the abandoned ship it is most likely Drake's ship. In pokemon masters Drake's exact words are "Long time ago, my friend Briney and I were trying to become the greatest sailors in the world. We dreamed of mastering every sea route there is. But then, one day, when I was out to sea, my ship got caught in a storm. Somehow, I avoided sinking, but I was adrift for days after that. I had used up the last of my food and water, so I thought I was done for, but then a Dragonite appeared in the sky."
👏 Nice video and nice theories btw 👌
I believe the abandoned ship got grounded on a large sandbar thus your ability to walk on that area of the water
Late to the party, but here's a theory that popped into my mind that would link a few of the mysteries in this video.
The New Mauville was built as a doomsday bunker to house civilians in case of an cataclysmic event. With the Hoenn native Legendaries all sealed away at the time when construction begun, what would have posed as the threat? My answer? The Generation VI exclusive Mirage Spots.
The Mirage Spots are the game's answer to reintroducing non Kalos native Legendary Pokemon in Generation VI. And how do they appear? By dropping out of portals that look eerily similar to the rings used by Hoopa. With knowledge that the Legendary Pokemon hold immense power, with the two biggest Hoenn native ones (by lore) famous for fighting each other, it is not illogical to infer that these portals could bring about powerful beings that could wreck Hoenn. We did get a very similar element with the Ultra Beasts just one generation later.
I propose that Hoopa's ability to bend dimensions has inspired the Greater Mauville Holdings in Generation VI Hoenn to attempt to do the same through researching Infinity Energy. This is later shown in the Delta Episode, where Professor Cozmo and Steven Stone intend to use Infinity Energy to open the warp hole in space to send the meteor to another dimension. Professor Cozmo's father was a staff member aboard Sea Mauville, where they tried to harness Infinity Energy. The aforementioned strategy could also have been the Hoenn League's preferred way to deal with the aforementioned threat posed by Mirage Spots.
I further propose that Maxie and Archie were also members of this project under the Greater Mauville Holdings. Maxie was probably in charge of New Mauville and its excavation, which would help explain why his Team Magma in Generation VI was focused on promoting humanity's progress. Generation VI New Mauville was meant to protect humans in the event of a catastrophy, after all. Meanwhile, Archie was probably involved with the operation of Sea Mauville. This first hand experience of the harvesting of Infinity Energy would explain why his Team Aqua in Generation VI was focused on returning the world to the Pokemon and free them from humanity.
Love the fact videos, listening to it while playing mystery dungeon dx, great video Hoops
KernowShinigamiViper Lil'Dragon thank you so much, I really appreciate it!!
HoopsandHipHop I love your videos. But please, WHERE IS THAT POKÉMON CARDINAL
Maybe Drake encountered Kyogre and it destroyed the ship
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In the abandoned ship, sense in the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire lugia is found in sea manville with is technically the abandoned ship. So maybe lugia was the cause of drake abandoning the ship??
7:36 Archie called them all simps
Headcanon: The Abandoned Ship is actually The S.S Anne.....
Sadly no, They take place at the same time, I thought the same as a kid
The Nerdy Skater but if they take place at the same time, then is it not possible that when the S.S. Anne leaves Vermilion City after Red talks to the captain, it then sails to Hoenn and gets wrecked?
@@alexpine8295 I would think the abandoned ship is older looking and too run down for it to be a fresh shipwreck. Plus I'm sure NPC in the ship talk about it being there for a good while
Jose Perez fair point.
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I'm pretty sure it's been established that team magna and team lava splintered off from team rocket because of some disagreement with Giovanni
Hi... great video and i love hoenn :) ... but in the case of phoebe... not to be rude but... its only one ghost girl for phoebe and the little girl that appears near her its believe to be phoebe's grandmother but as a child since you can find her on mt pyre talking to a tomb, the one on XY seems to be a completly different ghost girl
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Because Lugia's portal is within the Sea Mauville, I think that the sea guardian must have sunk it. Perhaps the people's plan to avoid the apocalypse was so misguided and reckless that Lugia saw fit to destroy the ship.
@@misterfunnyman Oh. Forgot about that guy.
I read that as Luigi for a moment and I was shocked
I see. You used the glitchxcity deoxys remix, one of my favorites.
The real ghost mystery is why some dead humans become human ghosts, and others become ghost Pokemon.
Back in hardenshipping memories...ah.Good memories.
Tatiana Duarte Still ship them to this day :D
superior taste in shipping I see
“With all being said...” -HoopsandHipHop favorite line
nice job. i especially liked the connection between the sunken ship and Drake
These Hoenn mysteries are very interesting! I'd like to learn more about them someday in the re-remakes, if that ever happens. Or if we learned more about it in a different region somewhere down the line, that would be awesome!
Many ghost ships are abandoned because they were damaged and sinking, but, when the crew abandoned it, its bouyency was corrected and they continued floating/sailing. That's what I think is going on with the Abandoned Ship. Though there are people on it now, they might be far less than what was on it when it got damaged. Not to mention they could have taken some of the cargo off since then, lightening its load farther.
Phoebes mystery was explained in the game, after you finished the Delta arc go to the ghost mountain and look at the top around there is she
Theory: the 2 ghost girls are Liz and Kate, but they somehow diyed (yes is said diyid) and they used a machine like Mr. Fugi's to make the Liz and Kate we all know today.
For the first mystery: a guy in slateport says they dump old ship's for Pokemon. If this isn't the case, the ship being on the surface may be because a strong Pokemon used earthquake and, when tectonic plates come apart, rock usually sprout from the gaps. If an earthquake were to happen quickly and very powerfully, a rock may sprout up.
For the new mauvile one: they could have known that groudon abd kyogre would be awakened. This means that Watson may have been part of the 'rayquaza' team or knew maxie or archie personnaly. He seems too jolly to me, so I think he's hiding something.
Drake mentions in pokemon master he was stuck out in sea once while sailing with briney. Something happened and got separated. Then a dragonite came to his rescue. Crazy stuff man
Great vid as always Hoops. I thought of a theory about the abandoned ship during your video. What if Team Aqua attacked the ship,wanting to take it for their own but in the end of the attack,the ship was clearly ruined beyond use. Sadly there isn't really any hint for something like this.
5:18 Yes, because I was in a car accident once and I've never changed my clothes since then...
It's wild that we kinda know now what happened with Archie and Maxie's original team, since it was either some modern incarnation of the Diamond and Pearl clans or the Galaxy Team of Hisui
I know I’m late to this but you can get spirit tomb on the abandoned ship so maybe that has something to do with it
Do you think Captain Drake and Lieutenant Surge were in the Military together?
After watching this I probably wouldn’t want to live in Hoenn. Maybe Unova or Johto lol
@Pott Rott The Unovan PCs are older than 10.
Pott Rott good point, but I would want to live in Castelia city, it would be so cool!
@Pott Rott I know, just saying xD
Just thinking about the first mystery involving the abandoned ship, I think that what happened was that it had been targeted by team Aqua before the player comes into the scene. This is judging by the fact that Archie the leader of Team Aqua actually commanders the submarine that was built in the game
No one really ever mentions it, but the whole scene with the ghost & Phoebe "kinda" has three camera angles with ghosts. The first when it fades out and the third being obscured by the player. The second is right after the fade out, when Phoebe says, "I did my training on Mt. Pyre." Notice where the camera is in the room and where the girl was. The camera bobs up and down just as it gets closer to Phoebe and the Player. It's straight up the ghost's pov, which is why I said "kinda." We don't see them but they're there.
Little update edit: The camera even hops down to a lower height level before moving forward. 10:40 - 10:44
Maybe the reason why they needed a post apocalyptic city was due to the original team that the two leaders were in may have lead the people to believe that was the case
In the pokemon adventures manga Archie and Maxie we're siblings who fell apart
Pokemon legends: Hoenn might elaborate on this
Emerald is the first pokemon game I got so these game are the favorite generation for me
"Something so big that even drake couldnt handle it"
Hmm yes...
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Either a reaper leviathan or the quarantine enforcement platform.
I always thought Phoebe's ghost girls had something to do with Phoebe's Banettes. Since in its Pokedex Banettes seeks after the kids that threw it away.
new mauviule was probably for use in case of kalos's ultimate weapon.
Phoebes Ghost girl is likely her little sister who died falling off Mt Pyre. After beating her and completing the Delta Episode you can see her talking to some graves that are probably her sister and her parents
Archie and maxie being on the same team is probably related to pokemon legends arceus and how each of them were at a point head of diamond and pearl clan
Regigigas is probably the reason for their evil motivation later. Regigigas moved a continent and when they saw this one of them saw the massive continent as a big power and wanted all the land for himself and to create new land. For the other he saw the open sea and how he could be the first one to rule over it. To pursue their different ambitions they sought after pokemon that would either create continents or remove them completely (by taking them under water), just like regigigas did.
This is further supported by the fact that in hisui you can find regigigas sleeping. which is where diamond and pearl clan was settled where both of them were head of.
Maybe Regigas moved the Sinjoh region and created it? who knows
Pokemon XD was released around the same time and it was shown in the opening cutscenes that Lugia was stealing a ship. That shop is accounted for in the game however we can't be sure this would be the only ship they would steal nor that they didn't have any failed test runs.
Also, kidnapped passengers? OMG where do you even draw that information from?
The ship was attacked by a Tentacruel. The small holes were it's limbs that pierced through. Old Sea history myths often speak of giant sea creatures with tentacles that attacked passing ships.
The Abadonned Ship did not sink because it's sitting either on top or rocks or coral (A herd of Corsola even maybe?). It was not able to move anymore, so it was evacuated. That's what it looks like on the overworld.
Perhaps the ORAS New Mauville bunker was created out of fear that a Hoenn from an alternate dimension (a.k.a. the one without Mega Evolution from Gen III) would do the same thing ORAS Hoenn's scientists were about to do: send a meteorite to the alternate Hoenn, since the ORAS scientists assumed that if they could develop the technology, the other Hoenn should be able to do it as well.
Some people speculate that Aster was Zinnia’s daughter and she was killed or simply died, and Zinnia wants Rayquaza to bring Aster back.
Are there any weird theories about that Truck in gen 1 games? In the cassino theres also some abandoned truck keys on the table (but not visible and cannot be picked up)
Even though this guy sounds like he's doing a Keynote all the time, he actually makes some pretty good videos. Keep it up!