the thing about powercreep is that the word gets used so often that people have started to forget its actual definition. Powercreep isn't just characters getting stronger, that much is inevitable in any gacha game. Powercreep is specifically the combination of characters getting stronger and content getting so difficult that is necessitates the pulling and usage of the newer characters. Anything you can clear with yunli, you can also clear with a clara, same with sanpo and Blackswan. So, in the future when talking about how address powercreep, we need to look at the situation at hand and see if it's actually an example of powercreep, or if its just the game providing an alternative.
Well said! It’s true that the games content will get harder and harder, however you can still make it work with older characters with the right builds and teams.
nah this is a lie, powercreep its only about new characters, items, etc becoming stronger; content getting harder its just to make older characters completly useless in the newest content to "show how good new shiny thing is", and yeah thats a lie too, you cant clear apoc shadow with clara while you can do it with yunli....
@@destock1637 its very clear you didn’t think about either of your points very much because they both fall apart at the most basic level of questioning. First, powercreep is about making older units obsolete, which is impossible to do without making the content harder. If the content isn’t impossible or hard for your older team to beat, then it by definition doesn’t make them obsolete as they can still clear the content which can save you the trouble of pulling and building another new unit. A good example of this is genshin. People often times say genshin has no powercreep. This isn’t because the games characters never get stronger, if you compare any of the archons, kazuha, neuvillette, etc. to characters of the same role or element that released before them, they were vastly stronger than the older characters. The reason people say that game has no powercreep is because the abyss is so easy that the older characters can still clear it, stopping them from being obsolete. Lastly, your second point about the fights clearable with yunli not being clearable with clara is even easier to refute. You can literally look up videos on TH-cam of people clearing apocalyptic shadow with clara, i don’t need to go in depth into your second point because its clear you didn’t even do the most basic google search before claiming that. Hsr is a turn based rpg so alot of your success is dependent on how well you build your entire team, you can’t crutch on elemental reactions in this game to avoid fully building characters. The fact that you didn’t do the most basic search to see if it actually was possible to beat apocalyptic shadow with clara makes it look like YOU can’t beat it with her and assumed the problem was the unit and the mode instead of your ability to build the character and her team, or you are simply being willfully ignorant. With that in mind, next time you claim someone’s argument is a lie, make points that have actual weight to stand on instead of saying “thats a lie” while making a bunch of empty arguments.
@@t.v.1201 Powercreep its when the newest units, equipment, etc are stronger than before, now if YOU want it to mean something else, like "obsolete" well.... thats your problem 🤭. And yeah it is not about "imposible" again, content becoming hard its only because to increase people fomo and how they now need this new character because they do something "better" or "faster" which at the end is nothing but a fake sense of improvement and only makes older units unusable as a result. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Aniway yeah there is not powercreep at all in genshin impact or atleast there wasnt until a while ago. While sometimes, new units are stronger that doesnt happen each 2 or 3 patch. Sometimes the newest shiny character is stronger and sometimes its worst, so yeah thats not powercreep, it just happend, like not everyone can be the same. 🤗 Until now because right now, chiori, then arlechino, then clorinde and now mualani(by leaks), seems like, pretty obvious, they are getting into it..... But thats now not before. 🤗 You can see at the archons like the strongest characters and again sometimes a character is gonna be stronger and sometimes weaker and thats ok, this its soo dvvvmp like say: Look look, my "new" bazooka destroy and entire house while your old "gun" barely break a tree so mine is more powerfull because its new....🤭😂😂😂 And bruh, the best shielder in the game got realase at 1.1 and we are almost in 5.0 where its the powercreep? 🤔😯😯😯😂😂😂 Almost 3 years and no powercreep yet Hutao got "powercreep" almost 3 patchs later, ho wait sorry i mean 3 years later and arlechino barely deal 3-5% more damage but hutao its more comfy to play and again sometimes a new unit is gonna be better or worst and thats okay not everyone can be equal. 😂(And again that doesnt mean powercreep) 😂🤭 Yeah they dont, already watch 5 randoms non of them reach 3300 so yeah its not an YOU(I) DONT, its a, CLARA DONT make it. 😂😂😂 "And yeah she didnt reach half the points you need, but the second side"... She doesnt work, so you gotta relay on your second side to carry her because she cant do it. 🤭😂😂😂😂😂 But hey "it was me who doesnt even do the most basic search" 😂😂😂😂😂 🤗 Its not my fault that you gotta lie to barely make a point stand on his FEETS.🤗 Got it? Because we've talking about clara, and she show her feets. 😂 ....Aniway
@@destock1637 There's no point arguing with you because now you’re moving the goalpost when your argument got defeated by a simple google search. Now apparently it’s not about beating it with clara but about getting exactly 3300 for it to be valid. If you can clear it with clara fast enough for your other team to clear with the point deficit you still beat it with that team. If you’re playing moc and clear one half in 7 cycles and the other half in 1 or 2, you still beat it with both team. There is no reward for over preforming. Also the examples you have for your first point contradict your definition of powercreep. Kazuha replaced venti on all his teams because of how strong and easily he was able to swirl reactions; Ganyu, Hutao, and Xiao replaced pretty much every dps that came before them, Neuvillette did far more damage than DPS that came before him, hyperbloom made the game a cake walk etc. the game releases alot of characters/ mechanics that are far stronger than the last so by your logic the game has alot of power creep. Your argument is so flimsy that your definition of powercreep says that hsr has no powercreep. If “sometimes the newest shiny character is stronger and sometimes its worse” is not powercreep than that also applies to hsr. Jing yuan was worse than seele and didn’t get good until they made a dedicated followup attack relic set and released units like robin and topaz to buff his followup damage, silver wolf to this day is still being debated by people as to whether she’s better than pela, someone who released with the launch of the game; blades damage was lackluster upon release, topaz was skipped by a ton of people because she was a hunt character who had to compete with dan heng and jingliu who released before her and she was buffing followup attackers who weren’t good at the time, huo huo was only used really used on dot teams to free up a slot for another nihility character, argenti released before pure fiction and even when that came out he was and still is used less than himeko and herta who are both free, ratio wasen't stronger than jingliu or dan heng which made him run into the same problem topaz had upon release and he was also dependent on topaz, black swan was only good if you had kafka and even then her best dot team wasn’t stronger the dan heng or jingliu, sparkle was very good but was situational since in alot of teams she isn’t a better support than ruan mei or bronya since she lacks attack damage buffs that other harmony characters have, and this patch we have yunli who's damage pales in comparison to acheron, firefly, and boothill’s damage, and jiaoqiu who is only being pulled by people who want to maximize acheron. For a game that is barely a year old that is a long list of characters who were outright worse than characters that came before them, dependent on future releases to make them good, had success dependent on previous premium characters, or only are the best in very specific teams like with trailblazer only being the best support on super break teams which isn’t even 100% true because they share that spot with ruan mei. So, contrary to popular belief hsr doesn’t release flat out stronger characters as much as you may think and more often releases characters/content that make other older characters better which goes against both of our definitions of powercreep. All your definition and analogy served to due was undermine your own argument because to argue one game has powercreep and another doesn’t, you have to unequally apply your definition. Your definition of powercreep not only doesn’t make sense from a logical standpoint but doesn’t even work within the confines of your own argument.
I personally dont care about Powercreep, since I prefer to take and play character that I enjoy for what they are (chara design, story, gameplay etc). You dont need any temporary character to clear 95% of the content of the game, so might as well pull for character that I love and want to play with rather than trying to get "strong" unit that will get me bored Also, you said the only difference between Clara and Yunli is that one heal and the other can inscrease counter damage ? Nah, thats false. Yunli have to carefully time her ult, while Clara can just hit it whenever its ready. They are similar, but arent playing the same. I've Clara and her lightcone and still pulled for Yunli because I really enjoy her kit and design, and i'm not disappointed
That may be the case to time the usage, however it’s still the same perks of their ultimate. Both buffing counters etc. And I honestly agree with the first statement, you don’t need certain characters, as long as you build them well with decent supports you’ll be fine for most content.
Should be stated the small nuances between them like yunli ults counter attacks are ULTIMATE DAMAGE aswell as follow ups. Which means anything that would include ultimate damage receives the benefit unlike clara whos ult is just a enhanced counter attack. This stuff does have differences
To be fair a majority of people that pulled for yunli probably don't know how to use her so and clara is still good I think. Also apparently e6 Gallagher is better than the character thats supposed to power creep him. Plus hes a 4* of course a 5* will come out
Yeah, gonna hard pass on this take. The idea of releasing characters that play similar roles is not unique to Star Rail. It should be very obvious that Hoyo as a company has an incentive to make new characters stronger by introducing unique mechanics among other things. However, I disagree with the sentiment that this is somehow troubling for the game because the game does not release content that is solely dependent on having the newest character. In fact, Star Rail has actually addressed this issue by putting recommended units on loan whenever there is content specifically tailored to a specific play style. HSR is the first game I have seen to use this mechanic, and I think it is very smart way to keep players from feeling pressured to pull every new unit. In this regard, Star Rail has had the best approach I have seen to address power creep.
You’re right on the part with them addressing the issues better than most games, even some standard characters can be used to this day, this mostly makes some not play them anymore, usually players tend to go for the strongest over ones they like. However at that point it’s personal preference
This. They didn't even change the damn element. I actually was concerned about this back with Black Swan (I still call her Black Sampo in conversations with my buddy, and vehemently refuse to roll for her, even as someone who enjoys DoT gameplay; even when she's objectively stronger and better for AoE situations). But they were different, and now we're getting characters that are not even that different from one another. At least Gallagher wouldn't be absolutely outclassed as he is just that good, even as a 4* (and Lingsha has different mechanics and niche, if leaks and rumors are to be believed, even with the same overall idea) (and a same damn element once again). With the funny fox cook man being literally 5* Guinafen, I was kinda mad when I learned about all this. Still, Yunli takes the cake in the end. Let's hope the cake stays with her.
Jio is not at all like gui.His gameplay is vastly different.You say black swan and sampo are different and yet you say gui and jio are the same? At this point you’re just hating cause they are not the same at all
Your pushing it with jiao and gui. Differences jiaos ashen roast is a debuff and dot and is considered fire whilst bypassing any resistances to fire. Has continued up time on his debuff throughout a battle give extra vulnerability with ult damage ---------------- Gui has a mini first turn advance procts fire dot and is tailor made for dot since without kafka her up time sucks. Has traditional fire damage. Like gui wasnt good outside of dot jiao is just a universal debuffer that happens to be fire Now is there any reason to use jiao if you have e 6 gui like me One pure fiction 2 DOT vs non dot teams 3 for ult based damage dealers. Hes a mix of pela and gui he has the universality of pela while giving fire vulnerability and stacking like gui whilst providing ult debuff and a zone
@@FD-wl7xq i may have worded it poorly, but I don't have a problem with characters not being exactly the same. I welcome it, even. My main problem with this, is that they pushed 3 characters that are strict upgrades of existing ones in a single breath, so to speak. Fire break healer, fire DoT debuffer and phys counter-striker. I may or may not be hating on them irrationally, but I'd have that much less problem with it if they weren't the same element (now that I think about it, the element and path combination is what I have beef with for the most part).
1. One is a permanent character, the other is a limited banner character 2. One is more focused on tanking and his ult also makes it so she can counter both then she's being attacked and his team is being atacked, the other has 2 charges and more damage and relies a bit more on precise use 3. its not like clara is completely useless and incapable now, in fact, yunli LC servers both yunli and Clara, but i may even say it benefits even more to clara because of the taunt + more FUA damage with her ult
You’re correct on the third one, definitely can still be used, especially the synergy with yunlis light one, I did note that Clara is a standard compared to yunli who isn’t, aswell as 2 that’s also true, but for the videos take I said it’s similar, as they both enhance their counter with their ultimate 🙂
yunli wants energy because she is an ultimate focused unit, unlike clara, who'd rather get buffs bc she has good energy for her ult uptime by default and bc her damage is not focused in her ultimate they are really similar but the only aspect i'd say yunli powercreeps clara is on the fun part, bc clara is just a counter bot and yunli requires timing, and rewards that with bigger dmg they really are not enough far in power level to call it power creep and any clara main knows it lingsha doesnt even surpass gallagher as of now, which is a problem on its own
It’s true that yunli does need more of a timed ultimate, however the video was more focused on similarities. Yes Clara can still be used and is less fun to yunli for most, but at the end of the day, you pull for who you want 🙂
power creep is not when new character is better than the old character, its when the old character cant clear the newest content even if you built it the best way possible yunli being better than clara isnt powercreep, but if clara cant be used on the later stages of the newest iteration of apoc shadow, pure fiction etc, that's power creep
You’re correct in that aspect, some older characters can still be used, however it does depend on the builds/teams as well as the gamemode which you pointed out.
It's all about the rate and severity of powercreep. PGR takes 1.5-3 years to powercreep characters, new units in Genshin barely surpasses chars OR usually sidegrades older units - whereas characters and HSR takes mere months. How relevant is Blade now? How is your Seele, Jingliu now that MoC HP pools have increased and Acheron, Firefly and Boothill exist?
@xander0901 and I'm 0 cycling with the meta units. What is the future 1 year from now when hoolay levels of hp is expanded upon? U gonna take out moc In 8 cycles with blades half? Lolllll
This is definitely not a new trend. 1.0 characters in most, if not all, gacha games tend to fall behind the further a gacha game is in service. saying that tho, its definitely possible to use 1.0 characters to clear the hardest content in star rail. I also think there are enough differences between them to warrant its own identity, the main one being that yunli is able to taunt enemies whilst clara cannot and you have to time your ult correct kinda like how youd time a parry for a counter attack in other games.
You’re right on the taunting, however as of the video I stated the similarities, it’s the most between other characters. for example what’s similar about Acheron and firefly? One does big damage from an ultimate, one does none from an ultimate, even having different damage styles, being pure dmg over break. Whereas yunli and Clara both share similarities.
You’re entitled to an opinion and I won’t judge, it’s simply your perspective. If you don’t like this then there’s plenty of others, I’m not the only person who talks about this game, there’s way more.🙂
@@FaleTale ...did you even ready what I said? I didn't say anything about your channel, or gave an opinion on this. I'm saying RIP your channel because SR fans get very uptight when people criticize SR. So I'm suggesting people are gonna hate on you for saying their precious SR has a "issue".
Personally, I'm not "criticizing" on the subject at hand, I'm just giving feedback on it, some may think i'm completely disrespecting a character they like or what they do not want to hear, however other content creators may also do it but have lots that agree, for example Clara can still be used even for later content, however there's just an alternate choice you can use, thank you for the concern though 👍
Overthrown is a bit much like every dps you named plays differently even blade if you add him. Meaning you need different teams for each one. Should also be remember JINGLIU hasnt had any changes. HER BEST TEAM prydwen jingliu bronya pela loucha Jingliu pela bronya huo huo Notice something old units So its disingenuous so say power crept when no they just need more supports
That is true, however for jingliu, she has never had a support which matches her more, compared to imbibitor lunae who got sparkle. Meaning imbibitor had more of a chance to deal more dmg.
@@FaleTale yes i do agree to that but to say jingliu got replaced when she has no real limited support. Acheron has silver wolf and getting jiao Dan heng il got sparkle Fire fly ruan mei. Also currently hypercarry kinda is slacking imo weve gotten way more units fitted for other styles. Currently dan heng il is SLIGHTLY better with prydwens data at their best teams. Jingliu can become relevant again if she gets the units though whats kinda bad is hoyo pushing units that implant weaknesses imo or ignore it. I get for break
But it also has its own good. Imagine this but in reverse: - 4* Stars Ruan Mei - 4* Kafka - 4* Topaz (actually it's Moze) So it's not the matter of rarity, rather "newer units > old units", which is normal in gacha games
Correct, it’s like that for 95% of gachas, gives a reason for players to pull for them instead of releasing a strong unit then weak ones for 2-3 patches and repeat.
It's not an issue, that's pretty normal in all live service games, otherwise they won't be earning anything in this game and eventually shut it down. The issue is making the game too hard that some of the old units can't even be used in some contents.
That may be true, however some old units can still be used, yes some may fall off however not every character can be future proof, eventually they’ll either slow down in usage or fall off completely (they may return if another character comes out that buffs them)
Not only this but jiaqiou when he was in his v1 beta he was like pela but way better now with all the nerfs he got he’s basically a 5 star guinafen and a fire version of black swan
@@gta5lorecarreviews36 Nah dude, I personally dont have Acheron and not planning to get her, but i'll totally pull for Jiaoqiu. Some players prefer to pull for characters they enjoy (Story, design, voicelines, gameplay..) rather than character they "need" You dont need any temporary character to clear 95% of the content of the game, so in my eyes, pulling for character you love is more important that pulling for "strong" characters
My opinion: Mihoyo get fed up with all those powercreep thing people keep discussing for long time they decided to go dumbass by making new characters super op at first and nerf it to the ground. Go ask jiaoqiu and feixiao
Pretty accurate for 90% of the released dps units, until they get a new support to revive them if they’re overthrown. (That’s if they actually get a support for them.)
For JQ it wasn’t a nerf they just removed his “supposed” healing and then lowered his damage to make his Debuff count as a DoT witch in the long run is a + especially in PF because the SU Lu works with him so he’s a free 40K for Acheron teams now. As for Feixiao that’s just misinformation she is actually stronger than her V2 form so Idk where you got that info from…
@@The_CodFish69 Of course I got that information from the information website like Hakush and I watched a few V1 gameplay. Sure, V1 Feixiao casually deals 600k+ dmg in one ulti while having 125 based spd + 5 from trace and having 60% crit dmg on follow up atk while also having action forward 10% is op so they have to rebalance her by reducing her skill and ulti damage, base spd, replace her trace. The only buff that you mention maybe I guess is that 48% atk when Feixiao uses skill and even maybe that her skill stack ulti easier, but that does not make up for all the strength she used to have
@@johnsteve39 then ya haven’t been looking at that many videos everyone agrees it’s a buff and she’s even getting faster clear times against Hoolay as well so ya… But that being said she might get another chance tonight with the V4 changes but once that’s over that’s it V5 almost never changes that much.
the thing about powercreep is that the word gets used so often that people have started to forget its actual definition. Powercreep isn't just characters getting stronger, that much is inevitable in any gacha game. Powercreep is specifically the combination of characters getting stronger and content getting so difficult that is necessitates the pulling and usage of the newer characters. Anything you can clear with yunli, you can also clear with a clara, same with sanpo and Blackswan. So, in the future when talking about how address powercreep, we need to look at the situation at hand and see if it's actually an example of powercreep, or if its just the game providing an alternative.
Well said! It’s true that the games content will get harder and harder, however you can still make it work with older characters with the right builds and teams.
nah this is a lie, powercreep its only about new characters, items, etc becoming stronger; content getting harder its just to make older characters completly useless in the newest content to "show how good new shiny thing is", and yeah thats a lie too, you cant clear apoc shadow with clara while you can do it with yunli....
@@destock1637 its very clear you didn’t think about either of your points very much because they both fall apart at the most basic level of questioning.
First, powercreep is about making older units obsolete, which is impossible to do without making the content harder. If the content isn’t impossible or hard for your older team to beat, then it by definition doesn’t make them obsolete as they can still clear the content which can save you the trouble of pulling and building another new unit. A good example of this is genshin. People often times say genshin has no powercreep. This isn’t because the games characters never get stronger, if you compare any of the archons, kazuha, neuvillette, etc. to characters of the same role or element that released before them, they were vastly stronger than the older characters. The reason people say that game has no powercreep is because the abyss is so easy that the older characters can still clear it, stopping them from being obsolete.
Lastly, your second point about the fights clearable with yunli not being clearable with clara is even easier to refute. You can literally look up videos on TH-cam of people clearing apocalyptic shadow with clara, i don’t need to go in depth into your second point because its clear you didn’t even do the most basic google search before claiming that. Hsr is a turn based rpg so alot of your success is dependent on how well you build your entire team, you can’t crutch on elemental reactions in this game to avoid fully building characters. The fact that you didn’t do the most basic search to see if it actually was possible to beat apocalyptic shadow with clara makes it look like YOU can’t beat it with her and assumed the problem was the unit and the mode instead of your ability to build the character and her team, or you are simply being willfully ignorant.
With that in mind, next time you claim someone’s argument is a lie, make points that have actual weight to stand on instead of saying “thats a lie” while making a bunch of empty arguments.
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Powercreep its when the newest units, equipment, etc are stronger than before, now if YOU want it to mean something else, like "obsolete" well.... thats your problem 🤭.
And yeah it is not about "imposible" again, content becoming hard its only because to increase people fomo and how they now need this new character because they do something "better" or "faster" which at the end is nothing but a fake sense of improvement and only makes older units unusable as a result. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Aniway yeah there is not powercreep at all in genshin impact or atleast there wasnt until a while ago.
While sometimes, new units are stronger that doesnt happen each 2 or 3 patch.
Sometimes the newest shiny character is stronger and sometimes its worst, so yeah thats not powercreep, it just happend, like not everyone can be the same. 🤗
Until now because right now, chiori, then arlechino, then clorinde and now mualani(by leaks), seems like, pretty obvious, they are getting into it..... But thats now not before. 🤗
You can see at the archons like the strongest characters and again sometimes a character is gonna be stronger and sometimes weaker and thats ok, this its soo dvvvmp like say:
Look look, my "new" bazooka destroy and entire house while your old "gun" barely break a tree so mine is more powerfull because its new....🤭😂😂😂
And bruh, the best shielder in the game got realase at 1.1 and we are almost in 5.0 where its the powercreep? 🤔😯😯😯😂😂😂 Almost 3 years and no powercreep yet
Hutao got "powercreep" almost 3 patchs later, ho wait sorry i mean 3 years later and arlechino barely deal 3-5% more damage but hutao its more comfy to play and again sometimes a new unit is gonna be better or worst and thats okay not everyone can be equal. 😂(And again that doesnt mean powercreep) 😂🤭
Yeah they dont, already watch 5 randoms non of them reach 3300 so yeah its not an YOU(I) DONT, its a, CLARA DONT make it. 😂😂😂
"And yeah she didnt reach half the points you need, but the second side"... She doesnt work, so you gotta relay on your second side to carry her because she cant do it. 🤭😂😂😂😂😂
But hey "it was me who doesnt even do the most basic search" 😂😂😂😂😂
🤗 Its not my fault that you gotta lie to barely make a point stand on his FEETS.🤗 Got it? Because we've talking about clara, and she show her feets. 😂 ....Aniway
@@destock1637 There's no point arguing with you because now you’re moving the goalpost when your argument got defeated by a simple google search. Now apparently it’s not about beating it with clara but about getting exactly 3300 for it to be valid. If you can clear it with clara fast enough for your other team to clear with the point deficit you still beat it with that team. If you’re playing moc and clear one half in 7 cycles and the other half in 1 or 2, you still beat it with both team. There is no reward for over preforming.
Also the examples you have for your first point contradict your definition of powercreep. Kazuha replaced venti on all his teams because of how strong and easily he was able to swirl reactions; Ganyu, Hutao, and Xiao replaced pretty much every dps that came before them, Neuvillette did far more damage than DPS that came before him, hyperbloom made the game a cake walk etc. the game releases alot of characters/ mechanics that are far stronger than the last so by your logic the game has alot of power creep. Your argument is so flimsy that your definition of powercreep says that hsr has no powercreep. If “sometimes the newest shiny character is stronger and sometimes its worse” is not powercreep than that also applies to hsr.
Jing yuan was worse than seele and didn’t get good until they made a dedicated followup attack relic set and released units like robin and topaz to buff his followup damage, silver wolf to this day is still being debated by people as to whether she’s better than pela, someone who released with the launch of the game; blades damage was lackluster upon release, topaz was skipped by a ton of people because she was a hunt character who had to compete with dan heng and jingliu who released before her and she was buffing followup attackers who weren’t good at the time, huo huo was only used really used on dot teams to free up a slot for another nihility character, argenti released before pure fiction and even when that came out he was and still is used less than himeko and herta who are both free, ratio wasen't stronger than jingliu or dan heng which made him run into the same problem topaz had upon release and he was also dependent on topaz, black swan was only good if you had kafka and even then her best dot team wasn’t stronger the dan heng or jingliu, sparkle was very good but was situational since in alot of teams she isn’t a better support than ruan mei or bronya since she lacks attack damage buffs that other harmony characters have, and this patch we have yunli who's damage pales in comparison to acheron, firefly, and boothill’s damage, and jiaoqiu who is only being pulled by people who want to maximize acheron.
For a game that is barely a year old that is a long list of characters who were outright worse than characters that came before them, dependent on future releases to make them good, had success dependent on previous premium characters, or only are the best in very specific teams like with trailblazer only being the best support on super break teams which isn’t even 100% true because they share that spot with ruan mei. So, contrary to popular belief hsr doesn’t release flat out stronger characters as much as you may think and more often releases characters/content that make other older characters better which goes against both of our definitions of powercreep. All your definition and analogy served to due was undermine your own argument because to argue one game has powercreep and another doesn’t, you have to unequally apply your definition. Your definition of powercreep not only doesn’t make sense from a logical standpoint but doesn’t even work within the confines of your own argument.
I personally dont care about Powercreep, since I prefer to take and play character that I enjoy for what they are (chara design, story, gameplay etc). You dont need any temporary character to clear 95% of the content of the game, so might as well pull for character that I love and want to play with rather than trying to get "strong" unit that will get me bored
Also, you said the only difference between Clara and Yunli is that one heal and the other can inscrease counter damage ? Nah, thats false. Yunli have to carefully time her ult, while Clara can just hit it whenever its ready. They are similar, but arent playing the same. I've Clara and her lightcone and still pulled for Yunli because I really enjoy her kit and design, and i'm not disappointed
That may be the case to time the usage, however it’s still the same perks of their ultimate. Both buffing counters etc. And I honestly agree with the first statement, you don’t need certain characters, as long as you build them well with decent supports you’ll be fine for most content.
Should be stated the small nuances between them like yunli ults counter attacks are ULTIMATE DAMAGE aswell as follow ups.
Which means anything that would include ultimate damage receives the benefit unlike clara whos ult is just a enhanced counter attack.
This stuff does have differences
To be fair a majority of people that pulled for yunli probably don't know how to use her so and clara is still good I think. Also apparently e6 Gallagher is better than the character thats supposed to power creep him. Plus hes a 4* of course a 5* will come out
You’re right! Clara can still be used, even using yunli’s signature lightcone offers some good value, it’s just more use yunli now.
Yeah, gonna hard pass on this take. The idea of releasing characters that play similar roles is not unique to Star Rail. It should be very obvious that Hoyo as a company has an incentive to make new characters stronger by introducing unique mechanics among other things. However, I disagree with the sentiment that this is somehow troubling for the game because the game does not release content that is solely dependent on having the newest character.
In fact, Star Rail has actually addressed this issue by putting recommended units on loan whenever there is content specifically tailored to a specific play style. HSR is the first game I have seen to use this mechanic, and I think it is very smart way to keep players from feeling pressured to pull every new unit. In this regard, Star Rail has had the best approach I have seen to address power creep.
You’re right on the part with them addressing the issues better than most games, even some standard characters can be used to this day, this mostly makes some not play them anymore, usually players tend to go for the strongest over ones they like. However at that point it’s personal preference
2:40 you missed the most important part. Both are barefoot
You’re right, another similarity there
This. They didn't even change the damn element.
I actually was concerned about this back with Black Swan (I still call her Black Sampo in conversations with my buddy, and vehemently refuse to roll for her, even as someone who enjoys DoT gameplay; even when she's objectively stronger and better for AoE situations). But they were different, and now we're getting characters that are not even that different from one another.
At least Gallagher wouldn't be absolutely outclassed as he is just that good, even as a 4* (and Lingsha has different mechanics and niche, if leaks and rumors are to be believed, even with the same overall idea) (and a same damn element once again).
With the funny fox cook man being literally 5* Guinafen, I was kinda mad when I learned about all this. Still, Yunli takes the cake in the end. Let's hope the cake stays with her.
Jio is not at all like gui.His gameplay is vastly different.You say black swan and sampo are different and yet you say gui and jio are the same? At this point you’re just hating cause they are not the same at all
At some point they will be similar, however at that rate just pull for who you enjoy instead of following who’s best 🙂
Your pushing it with jiao and gui.
Differences jiaos ashen roast is a debuff and dot and is considered fire whilst bypassing any resistances to fire.
Has continued up time on his debuff throughout a battle give extra vulnerability with ult damage
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Gui has a mini first turn advance procts fire dot and is tailor made for dot since without kafka her up time sucks. Has traditional fire damage.
Like gui wasnt good outside of dot jiao is just a universal debuffer that happens to be fire
Now is there any reason to use jiao if you have e 6 gui like me
One pure fiction 2 DOT vs non dot teams 3 for ult based damage dealers.
Hes a mix of pela and gui he has the universality of pela while giving fire vulnerability and stacking like gui whilst providing ult debuff and a zone
@@FD-wl7xq i may have worded it poorly, but I don't have a problem with characters not being exactly the same. I welcome it, even.
My main problem with this, is that they pushed 3 characters that are strict upgrades of existing ones in a single breath, so to speak. Fire break healer, fire DoT debuffer and phys counter-striker. I may or may not be hating on them irrationally, but I'd have that much less problem with it if they weren't the same element (now that I think about it, the element and path combination is what I have beef with for the most part).
@@FaleTale true. And that's what I do. And why I didn't pull for Swan.
1. One is a permanent character, the other is a limited banner character
2. One is more focused on tanking and his ult also makes it so she can counter both then she's being attacked and his team is being atacked, the other has 2 charges and more damage and relies a bit more on precise use
3. its not like clara is completely useless and incapable now, in fact, yunli LC servers both yunli and Clara, but i may even say it benefits even more to clara because of the taunt + more FUA damage with her ult
You’re correct on the third one, definitely can still be used, especially the synergy with yunlis light one, I did note that Clara is a standard compared to yunli who isn’t, aswell as 2 that’s also true, but for the videos take I said it’s similar, as they both enhance their counter with their ultimate 🙂
yunli wants energy because she is an ultimate focused unit, unlike clara, who'd rather get buffs bc she has good energy for her ult uptime by default and bc her damage is not focused in her ultimate
they are really similar but the only aspect i'd say yunli powercreeps clara is on the fun part, bc clara is just a counter bot and yunli requires timing, and rewards that with bigger dmg
they really are not enough far in power level to call it power creep and any clara main knows it
lingsha doesnt even surpass gallagher as of now, which is a problem on its own
It’s true that yunli does need more of a timed ultimate, however the video was more focused on similarities. Yes Clara can still be used and is less fun to yunli for most, but at the end of the day, you pull for who you want 🙂
Thank you for the video! I liked it very much and I always love the topics you talk about and the way you explain them! It's very entertaining :D❤
Thank you for the kind comment, it means a lot!
power creep is not when new character is better than the old character, its when the old character cant clear the newest content even if you built it the best way possible
yunli being better than clara isnt powercreep, but if clara cant be used on the later stages of the newest iteration of apoc shadow, pure fiction etc, that's power creep
You’re correct in that aspect, some older characters can still be used, however it does depend on the builds/teams as well as the gamemode which you pointed out.
Local man finds out about power creep in video games
It's all about the rate and severity of powercreep.
PGR takes 1.5-3 years to powercreep characters, new units in Genshin barely surpasses chars OR usually sidegrades older units - whereas characters and HSR takes mere months.
How relevant is Blade now? How is your Seele, Jingliu now that MoC HP pools have increased and Acheron, Firefly and Boothill exist?
@@300y1I’m still getting 3 stars in all endgame content with Seele and Blade. 😂😂😂😂
@xander0901 and I'm 0 cycling with the meta units. What is the future 1 year from now when hoolay levels of hp is expanded upon? U gonna take out moc In 8 cycles with blades half? Lolllll
What a great video dude u should have more subs so underrated
Thank you, it means a lot!
This is definitely not a new trend. 1.0 characters in most, if not all, gacha games tend to fall behind the further a gacha game is in service. saying that tho, its definitely possible to use 1.0 characters to clear the hardest content in star rail.
I also think there are enough differences between them to warrant its own identity, the main one being that yunli is able to taunt enemies whilst clara cannot and you have to time your ult correct kinda like how youd time a parry for a counter attack in other games.
You’re right on the taunting, however as of the video I stated the similarities, it’s the most between other characters. for example what’s similar about Acheron and firefly? One does big damage from an ultimate, one does none from an ultimate, even having different damage styles, being pure dmg over break. Whereas yunli and Clara both share similarities.
You know it's bad when small creators talk about it😢
RIP your channel for daring to criticize SR
You’re entitled to an opinion and I won’t judge, it’s simply your perspective. If you don’t like this then there’s plenty of others, I’m not the only person who talks about this game, there’s way more.🙂
@@FaleTale ...did you even ready what I said?
I didn't say anything about your channel, or gave an opinion on this.
I'm saying RIP your channel because SR fans get very uptight when people criticize SR.
So I'm suggesting people are gonna hate on you for saying their precious SR has a "issue".
Personally, I'm not "criticizing" on the subject at hand, I'm just giving feedback on it, some may think i'm completely disrespecting a character they like or what they do not want to hear, however other content creators may also do it but have lots that agree, for example Clara can still be used even for later content, however there's just an alternate choice you can use, thank you for the concern though 👍
@@FaleTale I...ugh, whatever.
Overthrown is a bit much like every dps you named plays differently even blade if you add him. Meaning you need different teams for each one.
Should also be remember JINGLIU hasnt had any changes.
HER BEST TEAM prydwen jingliu bronya pela loucha
Jingliu pela bronya huo huo
Notice something old units
So its disingenuous so say power crept when no they just need more supports
That is true, however for jingliu, she has never had a support which matches her more, compared to imbibitor lunae who got sparkle. Meaning imbibitor had more of a chance to deal more dmg.
@@FaleTale yes i do agree to that but to say jingliu got replaced when she has no real limited support.
Acheron has silver wolf and getting jiao
Dan heng il got sparkle
Fire fly ruan mei.
Also currently hypercarry kinda is slacking imo weve gotten way more units fitted for other styles.
Currently dan heng il is SLIGHTLY better with prydwens data at their best teams.
Jingliu can become relevant again if she gets the units though whats kinda bad is hoyo pushing units that implant weaknesses imo or ignore it. I get for break
But it also has its own good. Imagine this but in reverse:
- 4* Stars Ruan Mei
- 4* Kafka
- 4* Topaz (actually it's Moze)
So it's not the matter of rarity, rather "newer units > old units", which is normal in gacha games
Correct, it’s like that for 95% of gachas, gives a reason for players to pull for them instead of releasing a strong unit then weak ones for 2-3 patches and repeat.
It's not an issue, that's pretty normal in all live service games, otherwise they won't be earning anything in this game and eventually shut it down.
The issue is making the game too hard that some of the old units can't even be used in some contents.
That may be true, however some old units can still be used, yes some may fall off however not every character can be future proof, eventually they’ll either slow down in usage or fall off completely (they may return if another character comes out that buffs them)
Not only this but jiaqiou when he was in his v1 beta he was like pela but way better now with all the nerfs he got he’s basically a 5 star guinafen and a fire version of black swan
Sucks that he was nerfed so much, had a lot of potential, still looking forward to his release though!
@@FaleTale hes still best support for acheron but if u dont have acheron i say skip jiaqiou
@@gta5lorecarreviews36 Nah dude, I personally dont have Acheron and not planning to get her, but i'll totally pull for Jiaoqiu. Some players prefer to pull for characters they enjoy (Story, design, voicelines, gameplay..) rather than character they "need"
You dont need any temporary character to clear 95% of the content of the game, so in my eyes, pulling for character you love is more important that pulling for "strong" characters
My opinion: Mihoyo get fed up with all those powercreep thing people keep discussing for long time they decided to go dumbass by making new characters super op at first and nerf it to the ground. Go ask jiaoqiu and feixiao
Pretty accurate for 90% of the released dps units, until they get a new support to revive them if they’re overthrown. (That’s if they actually get a support for them.)
For JQ it wasn’t a nerf they just removed his “supposed” healing and then lowered his damage to make his Debuff count as a DoT witch in the long run is a + especially in PF because the SU Lu works with him so he’s a free 40K for Acheron teams now.
As for Feixiao that’s just misinformation she is actually stronger than her V2 form so Idk where you got that info from…
@@The_CodFish69 Of course I got that information from the information website like Hakush and I watched a few V1 gameplay. Sure, V1 Feixiao casually deals 600k+ dmg in one ulti while having 125 based spd + 5 from trace and having 60% crit dmg on follow up atk while also having action forward 10% is op so they have to rebalance her by reducing her skill and ulti damage, base spd, replace her trace. The only buff that you mention maybe I guess is that 48% atk when Feixiao uses skill and even maybe that her skill stack ulti easier, but that does not make up for all the strength she used to have
@@johnsteve39 then ya haven’t been looking at that many videos everyone agrees it’s a buff and she’s even getting faster clear times against Hoolay as well so ya…
But that being said she might get another chance tonight with the V4 changes but once that’s over that’s it V5 almost never changes that much.
Um no sh*t?
Bro made a whole video about this obvious topic?
Have you never played a Hoyoverse game before? 🤡🤡🤡💀
I stated in the video that it’s “common and naturally occurs in these games” I’m just stating the NEWEST change, being copied units. 🙂