I wouldn’t call it a safe community when the neighbors don’t call the cops after 15minutes of a woman screaming in distress. I’m so sickened by that lady
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
Back when I was in 5th grade, I couldn’t sleep and was upstairs looking out my window at the stars. I had my window open. It was around 1:30-2:00 am. I heard a horrific and terrible scream coming from the adult section of our townhouses. I KNEW as a kid that it wasn’t right. I woke up my dad, and told him where I thought the scream came from. He didn’t doubt me or blow it off because he was tired or not wanting to get involved. He grabbed a flashlight, threw on his jeans and boots and ran over there. A woman who was just getting in had been attacked by a guy who had been waiting for her. He’d raped her and the screams were from him stabbing her. My dad had gotten there just as the guy had taken off, and another neighbor ran up. BUT, she was still alive. She survived because I happened to hear her screaming and my dad had taken me seriously. If you hear or see something CALL the cops!!!! Write everything down before you forget it as well. Seriously people, pay attention!!
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
Your dad is lucky to be alive. You'd have a whole different mindset about it if your dad was k****d. Sounds like the other neighbors already were attending to her
There's the advice that goes around saying to yell FIRE!! if you're being attacked because ppl within earshot will actually react. I'm not sure if this actually works, could be urban legend. Emergency dispatchers may only send help if you can report seeing smoke or flames 🤷🏽♀️
@@abigailh7715 He got there first, but thanks for the condescending reply. My dad was a naval aviator who also specialized in intelligence. Yes, he could have been killed, but that could happen at any time, right? He did other amazingly selfless things before he died in 1999.
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
Bloodcurdling Screams for 15 minutes and nobody phoned the police! 🤷🏾♀️ Something radically wrong with anyone who ignores this....poor Gretchen! I also call bullshit on his statement to the court!
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
If you hear a woman screaming even just once and you get a feeling something is wrong CALL THE POLICE. Risk offending someone like Emma Kenny says, it could be the difference of life or death for someone. You honestly lose hope in humanity when you hear stuff like this
Emma Kenny, who said it’s wrong to glamorise killers or earn money off their notoriety, but was selling pop art canvases of Ted Bundy for £75 on her merch site 🤔
My thoughts exactly. I can't believe that woman heard screaming for 15 minutes and did not call the police. Just want to make it clear that I'm agreeing with the original poster NOT the tin ear commenter.
A few months ago one of my neighbours was attacked by her ex-husband, I heard her screams for help, for someone to call the police, they turned up an hour later & went to speak to other neighbours to see if they saw or heard anything, every single one said they heard her screams, but did nothing. Not one thought to look out the window & see if she was okay, not one even bothered to pick up the phone & ask for a welfare check, it absolutely infuriated me! Yet if it was one of their loved ones they'd be asking the same damn questions
What about all the other neighbors? They certainly heard her cries, as well, but the neighbor in the video is the only one who came forward to the police when Gretchen was missing.
I knew about this case because I’ve seen it on another true crime channel. What shocked me the most, besides the crime itself, was the fact that someone heard those screams for 15 minutes and…did nothing! How is that even possible? I’m so sick and tired of seeing so many women dying by the hands of these monsters…😢😢😢😢
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
@@elduderino7767 Over 73% of family violence victims are female. So quit making up stats that don't exist. Women do indeed murder their spouses, but not at the same rate. The stats are still overwhelmingly skewed one way.
I understand if you aren't sure of what you heard, not wanting to jump to conclusions but when you hear it for that long, and with what was said, it's better to be safe than sorry.
@@ISeeWhatYouDidThere Yeah but yanks will legit stand there and watch someone be murdered then just go about their day, they couldn’t care less about their fellow countrymen or women.
I love that you felt it important to inform your viewers that David's dog has since been adopted by a new family. It shows the immense amount of compassion you make your videos with... Lots of love❤
@@domoetker3967because animal life is worth more than human life these days. You have people pushing their dogs around in strollers and talking to them like they are their kids. Sad world.
@@modifiedbear6178 That’s not what it means. The people who created this video mentioned several times, Kobe the dog. Most humans with a good, tender heart would be comforted to know that he was given a new, loving home, rather than left in a shelter to be euthanized. It does not mean the dog’s life is worth more. It means other people are cantankerous assholes. I care just as much that Gretchen’s daughter is being raised by her father and Gretchen’s mother as I do that Kobe the dog has a safe, happy home. Why does it bother you that most humans love and want the best for animals? I have never wanted children and I will never want to bring new humans into this bleak world. So, actually, it is out of love and care, rather than selfishness, that I’ve placed more care and concern into NOT bringing new humans into this dying world with so much suffering than any of the people I know who have chosen to have children. I am loving and nurturing, and I enjoy giving that to my own furbabies, past and present. Also, my pets are emotional support animals. I don’t want to live life without a furry best friend baby. Most people love animals. At least any person worth a shit.
Totally agree....just listening to that older neighbour sound so intense relaying this later to the police made me shudder....why on earth didn't she call 911 ?? Be thankful she's not our neighbour. Although not to blame they do play a part in not calling it in!
Props to Jeff, an ex husband who still cared enough to notice snd feel a difference in the mother of his child's behaviour & still feel concern. The demise of their romantic relationship didn't stop them being friends to each other.
Everyone else has pretty much said this but imma say it too; all those neighbors who heard Gretchen’s screams and did absolutely nothing, they should all be ashamed! It is so incredibly scary and sad that she was screaming for her life and nobody did a damn thing. 💔 I hope Gretchen is resting peacefully, and that her daughter has peace and as much closure as she can get.
What I was going to say about the neighbor. It was serious she said, but didn't even call for a wellness check on her. She possibly could have saved her life! Thanks a lot "concerned" neighbor!!!
@@cocogoat1111 It's not about blaming. It's saying everyone would appreciate our neighbors not ignoring the sound of another neighbor who is screaming out like they are being murdered. Just like all the idiot neighbors who never see the kids next door, but never call anyone, and then we find out they were being held prisoner or being locked underneath the stairs!
@@amymckay23 It's not the neighbors' fault tho. Ya'll are spending more time b*tching about the neighbors then the real culprit, which is the nutjob that killed her. Gretchen was dead the moment David trapped her in that garage.
As others have said, I really appreciated knowing his dog was adopted. Thank you. I knew this case but you’ve brought so much detail to it I didn’t know.
Non posso sopportare che tante donne vengano abusate,picchiate ed uccise da uomini incapaci di accettare l',abbandono. È tutta una cultura da rimuovere.
@@sneekz0725:19 interest in dog's welfare doesn't detract from concern about human welfare. Desensitization is natural with multiple mass shootings per day.
@@sneekz07that’s cuz dogs are better than humans !!!!!!!!!! No neighbor Is obligated to call police if they hear screams. Like it or not that’s how society is now 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
I 100% agree. This needs to be fixed asap and a feature added on all because emergencies are universal. Maybe a command such as “Alexa, Gretchen!” in a direct code for any emergency to connect to 911 and in her honor 💜
She heard screams for 15 MINUTES but still did not phone the police? With neighbours like that who needs enemies? How did he get by in life without receiving aid for his mental health issues? Did he have mental health issues or was he putting it on? He was the husband from hell. Poor Gretchen and his sickening speech at the end did not wash with me. For her daughter I am glad Gretchen's body was found otherwise she would always be wondering, what if, what if. Thank you for your upload.
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
That's all I could think about! I don't want to seem non chalant about the poor murdered woman, but I've seen this story before on another channel, have always wondered about the dog though.
So grateful that David was held accountable and that poor Gretchen’s remains were located. Somewhat providing solace to her bereaved family. Rip Gretchen 💔
A neighbor heard blood curdling screams for 15 minutes and did absolutely nothing. If she had called the cops in minute 1, there’s a high likelihood that police would’ve been there by minute 15. This neighbor has blood on her hands wether she admits it or not.
The police are there to investigate. Looking into a possible ongoing murder attempt is pretty high up on the list of things a police officer is paid to do. I'd rather they "waste their time" looking into those situations than just sitting on the side of the road waiting to pull someone over for speeding. If you have doubts as to whether it's real screaming or not, why rush someone's life over your own possible embarrassment?
So often these stories involve a witness hearing horrific screams. I always wonder how one can hear such a desperate scream for help and simply ignore it. Wouldn't you call the police or investigate? It's mind boggling.
Depending on where live and the community of those that live there. People will call it in for you but will not try to take any action. Look what they tried to do to that ex marine on the subway who with 2 other guys. Had to subdue the individual who was irate and started being violent toward others. People not even there we're trying to insert themselves into a situation they knew nothing about and he had to defend himself as they tried their usual narrative BS through media. Charges were dropped. And plenty of cases where a guy tried to get involved and gets themselves killed. Times change. People change. In wake of the pandemic, criminal predators are running rampant all around. Stay vigilant.
It blows me away that the neighbor heard screams that sounded like a woman being attacked...AND DIDN'T CALL THE POLICE! Insane. TC rocks! BEST coverage of this case. Also, grateful that you let us know Kobe is safe and has been adopted. RIP, Gretchen. 💔
IF YOU HEAR A WOMAN (OR MAN) SCREAMING, MUCH MORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, YOU CALL THE POLICE IMMEDIATELY! That useless neighbour has blood on her hands, as it was said before.
@@professionaltrollgirl2682 You don't know that. Can we not place blame on the woman, when we just don't know what would have happened? It's not her fault, it's DAVID's.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 She has no excuse! No one asked for her to investigate herself it takes less than a minute to make the FREE call. And she doesn't even sound remorseful when describing what she heard
I always look forward to your videos. Your voice has a sense of peaceful calm even under the most horrific cases. Thank you for bringing their story to light and being their voice ✨♥️
This is not the first true crime channel that has covered this case, however, you put a different spin on the story which provided a lot of context and I walked away learning even more than I had before. Thank you for telling this story in such a thoughtful and detailed manner.
A woman's sreaming "like she was being attacked" for 15 mins does not warrant an emergency call by any neighbours... doesn't seem like a "quiet safe neighbourhood" to me 😢
I, too, find it appalling that the neighbor heard screaming that sounded like "a woman being attacked" for 15 MINUTES and didn't feel the need to call it in. This shows how disconnected from each other we have become as a society in the US. It's disgusting. As always, your research, story-telling, compassion and production quality is among the best I've seen, not only here on TH-cam, but also amongst all platforms, including "professional" high dollar networks/channels. Thank you for all your hard work and your amazing compassion for the victims and their families. 💜
I am one of the CSIs for this case. You did a good job with this informational video. Some of the facts are a tad off but very well done. I just presented this case at a forensic conference in Washington DC.
The audacity for him to act like he doesn't know who he's being accused of commiting homicide for😒🙄🤬 and to try to blame a 12 yr old for taping your tag?! What a murderous POS 💩 !😭🤬 RIP Gretchen 😢. God bless her and her family. Amen
This happened in Florida. The state where a child, Trayvon Martin, was murdered and the jury let his murderer go free. A state that hates the United States and most of the citizens of the US(women, gay people, children etc.) It does not surprise me that a neighbor would do nothing when ear witnessing danger in this awful state.
The thing that got me the most (other than that neighbor not calling the police when she heard screams and told the investigators about it later like it was hot gossip😡) was when the killer was reading his statement in court. If you aren’t listening too closely it almost sounds genuine and he’s crying out of remorse and is taking responsibility for the pain he caused. But really he was only talking about how this affected HIM, how HIS family is ruined, how he hurt the people who loved HIM, and how Gretchen, her daughter, and Gretchen’s family loved HIM. He doesn’t feel remorse that he killed such a wonderful person, he feels bad that this wonderful person is no longer in his life to benefit him and love him, never mind that he himself is the cause of that. He’s a narcissistic person and that is what made him so dangerous.
These videos are incredibly well compiled and presented. I’ve watched through pretty much you’re whole backlog now and I have to say, work has become a lot duller without truly criminal videos in the background! Keep up the amazing work
his reaction to the police officer saying he’s being arrested for homicide is so crazy. that’s not how you react to someone telling you you’re being arrested for homicide, especially if you haven’t done it
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks Gretchen has THE WORST neighbours in the world. They didn't only hear her screaming, they could hear what she was screaming, they could hear she was being hurt and just did nothing. My house might not be as nice as the ones in that neighbourhood but at least I can guarantee that my neighbours would call the police for me. I hope Gretchen's daughter will be ok. Poor little girl.
Thank you. A tragic story told so well. The narrative is so good on all the cases on this channel. So many monsters live among us. They are hard to detect, because they look like normal human beings. RIP Gretchen, may the Angels give you wings to fly.
There’s a difference between dealing with your medical/psychiatric problems on your own terms and flat out not getting them treated at all. Bipolar disorder doesn’t make people kill but the erratic behavior and mood causes a lot of other pillars of one’s life to fall down, such that a person can back themselves into a corner. When you don’t take care of your own trauma and shit, you spread and inflict it on others.
Soon as I saw her pic after she'd met him I knew something was up, she was smiling but her eyes told a different story. Rest in peace Gretchen, I'm so sorry this happened to you
I knew this story but I got so angry and upset over hearing again about how none of her neighbors bothered to call the police after hearing her scream for her life for 15 minutes, I could barely finish it. Society is falling apart. RIP Gretchen, I'm so sorry no one helped you. :(
"I heard a blood curdling scream. I heard 'stop it. It hurts'. It was very serious sounding and bad". But yet you didn't call the cops? People are so dumb. What a great neighbor you are.
Useless neighbor. Heard screams coinciding with somebody being attacked and saying "It hurts, stop". Didn't even take the time to report it. Disgusting.
Hi lovely, Im from the UK. I love your videos! I'd love you to cover a case from my Hometown Worcester, with the madman who babysat 3 young children and ended up murdering them and impaling there heads on spikes in the middle of town! It's a crazy one. Thanks for all you do. Edit. The murderer was recently allowed on day release and family are fighting to keep him locked up.
You are the only one I personally know that care enough to mention what happened to the victim or suspect’s pet 🙏🏼 it’s really important to me what will happen to the pet so thank you for mentioning that!
Such a sad case 💔 what to say about neighbors who hear screams for 15 minutes and do not react? Rest in peace Gretchen 🙏 Welcome back Alice and Mia ❤ hope the wedding went well ❤
@@quietstorm1050The other neighbors surely heard screaming, too, but that neighbor is the only one who came forward to the police when Gretchen was missing.
Why didn’t that neighbor call the police when she heard those screams? It’s so sad that people don’t want to help someone in need/danger any more. Our society has really turned cold since I was younger and this is so upsetting and sad.
Welcome back! You were missed. However, it was for a really, really good cause. Congrats to the bride! As for the episode, it was awesome (as usual). I'm always left with a sense of something like kinship with the victim and his/her/other family and friends. I, too, feel a sense of loss, a deep sadness that this amazing person was extinguished too early, without us ever finding out just how truly amazing they can be. It's your presentation and the attention you pay to who the victim was that enable me to feel that loss. Excellent work; thank you!
It truly irks me that neighbor didn't call the police when she herself said it was very serious screams!!! She could have possibly helped to save her!!! I will never understand people like that not taking any action when they see or hear something bad happen to someone!
Because it's not really love, it's masked narcissism. Being in a relationship for your own selfish needs. Then, when that ends you snap because you are no longer in control, have no more attention on yourself, and your ego is bruised. It's not love. It's manipulation.
I'm a live-in caregiver and had "well-meaning" neighbors call the police when they thought they heard my client yelling. Nope, she's just overly loud when she's throwing up. So I can't imagine any of them not calling the police if they hear loud screaming for 15 minutes
I was about to get so annoyed when he was charged with 2nd degree murder, thank god it was upgraded to 1st. This was clearly premeditated and not a crime of passion.
I wouldn’t call it a safe community when the neighbors don’t call the cops after 15minutes of a woman screaming in distress. I’m so sickened by that lady
Me too.....
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
Sickened by an innocent woman, not the brutal murderer ?
Women like you are the problem in every community.
Same here
Well said 👏
Back when I was in 5th grade, I couldn’t sleep and was upstairs looking out my window at the stars. I had my window open. It was around 1:30-2:00 am. I heard a horrific and terrible scream coming from the adult section of our townhouses. I KNEW as a kid that it wasn’t right. I woke up my dad, and told him where I thought the scream came from. He didn’t doubt me or blow it off because he was tired or not wanting to get involved. He grabbed a flashlight, threw on his jeans and boots and ran over there.
A woman who was just getting in had been attacked by a guy who had been waiting for her. He’d raped her and the screams were from him stabbing her. My dad had gotten there just as the guy had taken off, and another neighbor ran up. BUT, she was still alive. She survived because I happened to hear her screaming and my dad had taken me seriously.
If you hear or see something CALL the cops!!!! Write everything down before you forget it as well. Seriously people, pay attention!!
Your story is a perfect example of what to do if you hear someone screaming bloody murder, to get help. You and your dad, are heroes ❤️
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
Your dad is lucky to be alive. You'd have a whole different mindset about it if your dad was k****d.
Sounds like the other neighbors already were attending to her
There's the advice that goes around saying to yell FIRE!! if you're being attacked because ppl within earshot will actually react.
I'm not sure if this actually works, could be urban legend. Emergency dispatchers may only send help if you can report seeing smoke or flames 🤷🏽♀️
@@abigailh7715 He got there first, but thanks for the condescending reply. My dad was a naval aviator who also specialized in intelligence. Yes, he could have been killed, but that could happen at any time, right? He did other amazingly selfless things before he died in 1999.
What a peaceful community. They love peace so much that can not be bothered to call the police when someone needs help
It’s beyond sad to live in a country/ and neighborhood where a person would hear all that screaming and doesn’t call help or police… so so sad…
They say it is better to yell for a fire than to yell for help here in the U.S. anyway.
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
Right? There's no way I wouldn't have called the police.
Bloodcurdling Screams for 15 minutes and nobody phoned the police! 🤷🏾♀️ Something radically wrong with anyone who ignores this....poor Gretchen! I also call bullshit on his statement to the court!
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
sounds unsafe community to me
ya I would be reaching for the phone the first time I heard a scream
So her neighbor hears her screaming for 15 minutes, yet does nothing? WOW. 🙄
If you hear a woman screaming even just once and you get a feeling something is wrong CALL THE POLICE. Risk offending someone like Emma Kenny says, it could be the difference of life or death for someone. You honestly lose hope in humanity when you hear stuff like this
If it was Emma bloody Kenny I might turn a tin ear.
Emma Kenny, who said it’s wrong to glamorise killers or earn money off their notoriety, but was selling pop art canvases of Ted Bundy for £75 on her merch site 🤔
My thoughts exactly. I can't believe that woman heard screaming for 15 minutes and did not call the police. Just want to make it clear that I'm agreeing with the original poster NOT the tin ear commenter.
@@lyndamck3446 stupid spineless people
So hide the body and the knowledge of where the body is gives you something to bargain with to get a lighter sentence? That's appalling.
The neighbor that heard 15 MINUTES of someone's blood curdling screams yet did not call the police should be ashamed!!!!
A few months ago one of my neighbours was attacked by her ex-husband, I heard her screams for help, for someone to call the police, they turned up an hour later & went to speak to other neighbours to see if they saw or heard anything, every single one said they heard her screams, but did nothing. Not one thought to look out the window & see if she was okay, not one even bothered to pick up the phone & ask for a welfare check, it absolutely infuriated me! Yet if it was one of their loved ones they'd be asking the same damn questions
100% this!
Exactly what I said! I couldn't live with myself if I was her.
Exactly!
What about all the other neighbors? They certainly heard her cries, as well, but the neighbor in the video is the only one who came forward to the police when Gretchen was missing.
I knew about this case because I’ve seen it on another true crime channel. What shocked me the most, besides the crime itself, was the fact that someone heard those screams for 15 minutes and…did nothing! How is that even possible?
I’m so sick and tired of seeing so many women dying by the hands of these monsters…😢😢😢😢
Right? How hard is it to call 911?
I can understand not running up yourself and trying to intervene, but dialing 911 anyone can do.
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
of course - but you are almost framing this like females are the only victims, almost half of family domestic violence homicide victims are male
@@elduderino7767 Over 73% of family violence victims are female. So quit making up stats that don't exist. Women do indeed murder their spouses, but not at the same rate. The stats are still overwhelmingly skewed one way.
she was out of his league looks wise, thats a red flag there .
As so many have said, the neighbour not calling for help is unfathomable. She could even report what was said during the attack but did nothing.😢
Americans. It’s nothing surprising.
@@sharpshooter_Austhe bystander affect isn't an Americans only thing
I understand if you aren't sure of what you heard, not wanting to jump to conclusions but when you hear it for that long, and with what was said, it's better to be safe than sorry.
@@sharpshooter_Aus you probably live in Canada or UK where rape and crime are the norm. Stay in your place n- azi
@@ISeeWhatYouDidThere Yeah but yanks will legit stand there and watch someone be murdered then just go about their day, they couldn’t care less about their fellow countrymen or women.
I love that you felt it important to inform your viewers that David's dog has since been adopted by a new family. It shows the immense amount of compassion you make your videos with... Lots of love❤
At least some good came out of this tragedy.David's dog belongs with a real family not that monster.
why?
If that's all you got out of this case then I suggest YOU seek treatment for your undiagnosed psychological dysfunction 🤡
@@domoetker3967because animal life is worth more than human life these days. You have people pushing their dogs around in strollers and talking to them like they are their kids. Sad world.
@@modifiedbear6178 That’s not what it means. The people who created this video mentioned several times, Kobe the dog. Most humans with a good, tender heart would be comforted to know that he was given a new, loving home, rather than left in a shelter to be euthanized. It does not mean the dog’s life is worth more. It means other people are cantankerous assholes. I care just as much that Gretchen’s daughter is being raised by her father and Gretchen’s mother as I do that Kobe the dog has a safe, happy home.
Why does it bother you that most humans love and want the best for animals? I have never wanted children and I will never want to bring new humans into this bleak world. So, actually, it is out of love and care, rather than selfishness, that I’ve placed more care and concern into NOT bringing new humans into this dying world with so much suffering than any of the people I know who have chosen to have children.
I am loving and nurturing, and I enjoy giving that to my own furbabies, past and present. Also, my pets are emotional support animals. I don’t want to live life without a furry best friend baby. Most people love animals. At least any person worth a shit.
You hear screaming coming from your neighbors house and do not call the police. What is wrong with people?!
could of been a movie or coyotes. One could ever assume anything until you have solid facts or youd be wasting everyones time
Totally agree....just listening to that older neighbour sound so intense relaying this later to the police made me shudder....why on earth didn't she call 911 ?? Be thankful she's not our neighbour. Although not to blame they do play a part in not calling it in!
@SpanishArmadaProd not yet heard a coyote shout out "stop, it hurts"...
@@SpanishArmadaProd coyote in a Townhome community inside the garage?
No, the way she describes it and the length of time it continued, her lack of taking any action is hard to explain.
Props to Jeff, an ex husband who still cared enough to notice snd feel a difference in the mother of his child's behaviour & still feel concern. The demise of their romantic relationship didn't stop them being friends to each other.
His audacity to keep lying to the investigators just so he could use it for his plea deal. My heart goes out to Gretchen’s family.
Everyone else has pretty much said this but imma say it too; all those neighbors who heard Gretchen’s screams and did absolutely nothing, they should all be ashamed! It is so incredibly scary and sad that she was screaming for her life and nobody did a damn thing. 💔
I hope Gretchen is resting peacefully, and that her daughter has peace and as much closure as she can get.
What I was going to say about the neighbor. It was serious she said, but didn't even call for a wellness check on her. She possibly could have saved her life! Thanks a lot "concerned" neighbor!!!
Of course the first comment I see is blaming bystanders instead of the actual murderer.
@@cocogoat1111 It's not about blaming. It's saying everyone would appreciate our neighbors not ignoring the sound of another neighbor who is screaming out like they are being murdered. Just like all the idiot neighbors who never see the kids next door, but never call anyone, and then we find out they were being held prisoner or being locked underneath the stairs!
@@cocogoat1111Multiple people can’t be held accountable? What world are you living in?
@@amymckay23 It's not the neighbors' fault tho. Ya'll are spending more time b*tching about the neighbors then the real culprit, which is the nutjob that killed her. Gretchen was dead the moment David trapped her in that garage.
As others have said, I really appreciated knowing his dog was adopted. Thank you. I knew this case but you’ve brought so much detail to it I didn’t know.
Non posso sopportare che tante donne vengano abusate,picchiate ed uccise da uomini incapaci di accettare l',abbandono. È tutta una cultura da rimuovere.
Read the room. This woman was brutally murdered and all you and others can think about it the dog. It's like you're desensitised to human murder now.
@@sneekz0725:19 interest in dog's welfare doesn't detract from concern about human welfare. Desensitization is natural with multiple mass shootings per day.
@@sneekz07that’s cuz dogs are better than humans !!!!!!!!!! No neighbor Is obligated to call police if they hear screams. Like it or not that’s how society is now 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
she was out of his league looks wise im surpised he hooked up with her with women at the gym calling him hottie
Heartbreaking that her attempt to call 911 through Alexa was unsuccessful.
Rip Gretchen 💔
Yeah, why would you have to set up a system like that to do something so vital?? Like, do you have to program 911 as a contact???
i wonder how she got him being just plain looking. girls calling him hottie at the gym
@@tankthearc9875 You calling her plain looking cause you can probably relate right?
@@imetyourmother420 her looks are avg its not about me , girls calling him hottie im wondering
I 100% agree. This needs to be fixed asap and a feature added on all because emergencies are universal. Maybe a command such as “Alexa, Gretchen!” in a direct code for any emergency to connect to 911 and in her honor 💜
She heard screams for 15 MINUTES but still did not phone the police? With neighbours like that who needs enemies? How did he get by in life without receiving aid for his mental health issues? Did he have mental health issues or was he putting it on? He was the husband from hell. Poor Gretchen and his sickening speech at the end did not wash with me. For her daughter I am glad Gretchen's body was found otherwise she would always be wondering, what if, what if. Thank you for your upload.
The minute i saw david had married her,i swear to god i was confident he is the murderer,dont get me wrong,but a guy like david marrying with a women who already had a daughter of 15 years,the marraige was either for money or for money,i know i sound like an orthodox old minded shit,but seriously,its easy in movies or stories,that people with unatural age gaps find love and lived happily ever after,but in real life its 1 in a million chance these types of relationships works out,its always ends up in ugly divorce and in case you are lucky enough it ends in murders or suicides,somethings in human nature cant be changed how much open minded you become or modern or whtever,it will be common for every human being,ie this types of relations not working
Thank you for telling Gretchen's story with kindness and respect. May She Rest In Peace
Thank you for telling us about the dog being ok!
That's all I could think about!
I don't want to seem non chalant about the poor murdered woman, but I've seen this story before on another channel, have always wondered about the dog though.
You read my mind.
So glad sweet Kobe found another home.
So grateful that David was held accountable and that poor Gretchen’s remains were located.
Somewhat providing solace to her bereaved family.
Rip Gretchen 💔
A neighbor heard blood curdling screams for 15 minutes and did absolutely nothing. If she had called the cops in minute 1, there’s a high likelihood that police would’ve been there by minute 15. This neighbor has blood on her hands wether she admits it or not.
could of been a movie or coyotes. One could ever assume anything until you have solid facts or youd be wasting everyones time
@@SpanishArmadaProdbetter safe than sorry. You could literally save a life. That's what they're paid for.
@@SpanishArmadaProd🤡
The police are there to investigate. Looking into a possible ongoing murder attempt is pretty high up on the list of things a police officer is paid to do. I'd rather they "waste their time" looking into those situations than just sitting on the side of the road waiting to pull someone over for speeding. If you have doubts as to whether it's real screaming or not, why rush someone's life over your own possible embarrassment?
@@SpanishArmadaProd Again, coyote in a sparsely tree or woodland community, mainly townhome looking building, inside a garage?
So often these stories involve a witness hearing horrific screams. I always wonder how one can hear such a desperate scream for help and simply ignore it. Wouldn't you call the police or investigate? It's mind boggling.
Exactly yet if it was a dog yelping, the whole neighbourhood would have gone to rescue it!
That was my first thought too! The neighbor that came running over-where was the urgency that night?!?
Depending on where live and the community of those that live there. People will call it in for you but will not try to take any action. Look what they tried to do to that ex marine on the subway who with 2 other guys. Had to subdue the individual who was irate and started being violent toward others. People not even there we're trying to insert themselves into a situation they knew nothing about and he had to defend himself as they tried their usual narrative BS through media. Charges were dropped. And plenty of cases where a guy tried to get involved and gets themselves killed. Times change. People change. In wake of the pandemic, criminal predators are running rampant all around. Stay vigilant.
It blows me away that the neighbor heard screams that sounded like a woman being attacked...AND DIDN'T CALL THE POLICE! Insane. TC rocks! BEST coverage of this case. Also, grateful that you let us know Kobe is safe and has been adopted. RIP, Gretchen. 💔
IF YOU HEAR A WOMAN (OR MAN) SCREAMING, MUCH MORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, YOU CALL THE POLICE IMMEDIATELY! That useless neighbour has blood on her hands, as it was said before.
How about all the other neighbors? That neighbor was the only one who came forward to the police when Gretchen was missing.
@@beckyblueish that neighbor who came forward AFTER her death is useless. She could've possibly saved her life
@@professionaltrollgirl2682 What’s worse is that she’s the only one of the neighbors who felt guilty enough to seek out the detectives and admit it.
@@professionaltrollgirl2682 You don't know that. Can we not place blame on the woman, when we just don't know what would have happened? It's not her fault, it's DAVID's.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 She has no excuse! No one asked for her to investigate herself it takes less than a minute to make the FREE call. And she doesn't even sound remorseful when describing what she heard
I always look forward to your videos. Your voice has a sense of peaceful calm even under the most horrific cases. Thank you for bringing their story to light and being their voice ✨♥️
Welcome back you were missed ❤️
This is not the first true crime channel that has covered this case, however, you put a different spin on the story which provided a lot of context and I walked away learning even more than I had before. Thank you for telling this story in such a thoughtful and detailed manner.
A woman's sreaming "like she was being attacked" for 15 mins does not warrant an emergency call by any neighbours... doesn't seem like a "quiet safe neighbourhood" to me 😢
What a self-pitying, vile creep, my heart goes out to Gretchen's family. Fantastic narration ss always.
I, too, find it appalling that the neighbor heard screaming that sounded like "a woman being attacked" for 15 MINUTES and didn't feel the need to call it in. This shows how disconnected from each other we have become as a society in the US. It's disgusting. As always, your research, story-telling, compassion and production quality is among the best I've seen, not only here on TH-cam, but also amongst all platforms, including "professional" high dollar networks/channels. Thank you for all your hard work and your amazing compassion for the victims and their families. 💜
Truly Crimimal's back! We missed you guys!
Dude getting down on one knee to break up with someone has to be the wildest thing ive heard in a long time.
I actually chuckled at that 😂 that's so random
I am one of the CSIs for this case. You did a good job with this informational video. Some of the facts are a tad off but very well done. I just presented this case at a forensic conference in Washington DC.
Thank you for what you do. It is appreciated.
Missed you so much, welcome back
The audacity for him to act like he doesn't know who he's being accused of commiting homicide for😒🙄🤬 and to try to blame a 12 yr old for taping your tag?! What a murderous POS 💩 !😭🤬
RIP Gretchen 😢. God bless her and her family. Amen
Yo… getting down on one knee to break up with someone!! That is so messed up.
So she could work on becoming the person he needed her to be ...
Majorly effed up
On the other hand, they’re at the perfect height to knee them in the face
WHY wouldn't the neighbor call the police???? Omg I just can't wrap my head around this!
This happened in Florida. The state where a child, Trayvon Martin, was murdered and the jury let his murderer go free. A state that hates the United States and most of the citizens of the US(women, gay people, children etc.) It does not surprise me that a neighbor would do nothing when ear witnessing danger in this awful state.
The thing that got me the most (other than that neighbor not calling the police when she heard screams and told the investigators about it later like it was hot gossip😡) was when the killer was reading his statement in court. If you aren’t listening too closely it almost sounds genuine and he’s crying out of remorse and is taking responsibility for the pain he caused. But really he was only talking about how this affected HIM, how HIS family is ruined, how he hurt the people who loved HIM, and how Gretchen, her daughter, and Gretchen’s family loved HIM. He doesn’t feel remorse that he killed such a wonderful person, he feels bad that this wonderful person is no longer in his life to benefit him and love him, never mind that he himself is the cause of that. He’s a narcissistic person and that is what made him so dangerous.
Often times I hear arguments or dispute and don't want to get involved but this teaches me a lesson.
That dude was still acting like HE was a victim while reading the statement in court. What a bastard.
These videos are incredibly well compiled and presented. I’ve watched through pretty much you’re whole backlog now and I have to say, work has become a lot duller without truly criminal videos in the background! Keep up the amazing work
his reaction to the police officer saying he’s being arrested for homicide is so crazy. that’s not how you react to someone telling you you’re being arrested for homicide, especially if you haven’t done it
She wasn't 'lost'. You murdered her. Garbage can't even be truthful at the end.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks Gretchen has THE WORST neighbours in the world. They didn't only hear her screaming, they could hear what she was screaming, they could hear she was being hurt and just did nothing. My house might not be as nice as the ones in that neighbourhood but at least I can guarantee that my neighbours would call the police for me. I hope Gretchen's daughter will be ok. Poor little girl.
Thank you. A tragic story told so well. The narrative is so good on all the cases on this channel. So many monsters live among us. They are hard to detect, because they look like normal human beings. RIP Gretchen, may the Angels give you wings to fly.
My heart aches for this sweet daughter now without her mother, and for the family now without a daughter and sister.
There’s a difference between dealing with your medical/psychiatric problems on your own terms and flat out not getting them treated at all.
Bipolar disorder doesn’t make people kill but the erratic behavior and mood causes a lot of other pillars of one’s life to fall down, such that a person can back themselves into a corner.
When you don’t take care of your own trauma and shit, you spread and inflict it on others.
I agree, I would say he sounds more schizophrenic to me tho. Doesn’t excuse anything at all but for it to be so onset and extreme manic like that
Thank you for letting us know about the dog 💕 I always worry when there’s animals involved
one of my favorite YT channels - keep bringing those good vids
Welcome back, lady! Love your channel! Can't wait for the next one!
David looks like an amalgamation of every finance, tech, dating, fitness and crypto bro out there
That poor lady, honestly it's so beyond sad and weak that her neighbours did nothing to help her.
Scream heard for 15 minutes, several people heard it and no one called! The hypocrisy of modern neighbours are unbelievable.
Yay! Im glad you guys uploaded again. I missed these videos. You are one of the best crime channels out there
Really appreciate your thoughtful coverage of this case ❤ Great job, as always ❤
Soon as I saw her pic after she'd met him I knew something was up, she was smiling but her eyes told a different story. Rest in peace Gretchen, I'm so sorry this happened to you
I knew this story but I got so angry and upset over hearing again about how none of her neighbors bothered to call the police after hearing her scream for her life for 15 minutes, I could barely finish it. Society is falling apart. RIP Gretchen, I'm so sorry no one helped you. :(
"I heard a blood curdling scream. I heard 'stop it. It hurts'. It was very serious sounding and bad". But yet you didn't call the cops? People are so dumb. What a great neighbor you are.
Useless neighbor. Heard screams coinciding with somebody being attacked and saying "It hurts, stop". Didn't even take the time to report it. Disgusting.
Another excellent video.
Many thanks.
RIP Gretchen.
I’d be too ashamed to tell a policeman that I heard a woman screaming for 15 minutes and did nothing!
That neighbor pisted me off!!!!! How do you hear a woman scream then for 15 minutes and do nothing! Sickening!
I have been waiting for your next episode. Thank you.
Yay. We missed you. ❤
Hi lovely, Im from the UK. I love your videos! I'd love you to cover a case from my Hometown Worcester, with the madman who babysat 3 young children and ended up murdering them and impaling there heads on spikes in the middle of town! It's a crazy one. Thanks for all you do.
Edit. The murderer was recently allowed on day release and family are fighting to keep him locked up.
I'm from the UK I've heard of that disgusting monster,it's one of the worst cases I've heard 😢
U must have read my mind Iegit now went on your page and was wondering why u ain't post since 3 week's ago I looooooooooove your CONTENT❤
I always love it when people report having heard blood curdling screams (in this case for 15 minutes) and no one ever calls the police. WTH?
You are the only one I personally know that care enough to mention what happened to the victim or suspect’s pet 🙏🏼 it’s really important to me what will happen to the pet so thank you for mentioning that!
RIP.
Crazy story,heard of it before,but keep listening just to hear your voice
Such a sad case 💔 what to say about neighbors who hear screams for 15 minutes and do not react? Rest in peace Gretchen 🙏
Welcome back Alice and Mia ❤ hope the wedding went well ❤
Great to have you guys back. Thank you
Hello, love your contents. Thanks for uploading the video.
As always, another great video, Truly Criminal! R.I.P. Gretchen and my condolences to Ava. 😢
omg when she was yelling at her Alexa to call 911 😭 my anxiety PANGED! that is horrifying. her neighbours are useless!
Right?! 15 minutes is like a whole episode of SpongeBob...how can you listen to bloody screams for 15 minute and be like eh not bothered.
When you hear “a really, serious scream” and a woman yells, “Stop it! No, it hurts!” call the police ffs!!! Ridiculous that that woman did nothing.
I can't believe she admitted that on record smh. She did nothing!
@@quietstorm1050The other neighbors surely heard screaming, too, but that neighbor is the only one who came forward to the police when Gretchen was missing.
The neighbor is useless, pathetic coward
Why didn’t that neighbor call the police when she heard those screams? It’s so sad that people don’t want to help someone in need/danger any more. Our society has really turned cold since I was younger and this is so upsetting and sad.
love all your videos. ive binged watched them for a while now. nice voice also
Thank u Alice & Mia hope the wedding went well. I love ur videos they rock! Fly high Gretchen x
Welcome back!
Welcome back ❤
Welcome back! You were missed. However, it was for a really, really good cause. Congrats to the bride! As for the episode, it was awesome (as usual). I'm always left with a sense of something like kinship with the victim and his/her/other family and friends. I, too, feel a sense of loss, a deep sadness that this amazing person was extinguished too early, without us ever finding out just how truly amazing they can be. It's your presentation and the attention you pay to who the victim was that enable me to feel that loss. Excellent work; thank you!
Anyone else hooked on these episode's 🙋♂️
It truly irks me that neighbor didn't call the police when she herself said it was very serious screams!!! She could have possibly helped to save her!!! I will never understand people like that not taking any action when they see or hear something bad happen to someone!
I was just looking for a new video from you guys, yesterday! So I was happy to come home from work, hunker down, and see you guys had uploaded 😊
Omg yay a new upload! Missed you!
I can't understand how they go from loving someone to hating them to the point they kill them!! Madness!
Because it's not really love, it's masked narcissism. Being in a relationship for your own selfish needs. Then, when that ends you snap because you are no longer in control, have no more attention on yourself, and your ego is bruised. It's not love. It's manipulation.
EASY. Love and hate are the same strengthed emotions. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.
My favorite days! Truly Criminal AND Beyond Evil posting within minutes of each other!!
welcome back love you content
Welcome back, TC! ❤ Hope y'all had a restful couple weeks ❤
You hear your neighbor screaming but, you don’t go check on her OR call the police? WHY NOT???????
I'm a live-in caregiver and had "well-meaning" neighbors call the police when they thought they heard my client yelling. Nope, she's just overly loud when she's throwing up. So I can't imagine any of them not calling the police if they hear loud screaming for 15 minutes
I love your channel so much❤ not only the content but also the editing, the voice.. everything ❤
Glad that you ladies are back!❤ He is certifiable730! Such a bazaar case... RIP to Gretchen!😔
Welcome back 🎉❤ missed your great videos. Hope you enjoyed your break and got well rested ❤
Thanks!
What a great channel!! Always in depth videos, well laid out and extremely engaging and gripping! Great Work!!
I was about to get so annoyed when he was charged with 2nd degree murder, thank god it was upgraded to 1st. This was clearly premeditated and not a crime of passion.
And him killing her is on video and it still isn’t enough. Our country’s justice system is a joke.
It was great that it was upgraded to 1st degree murder, that way they were able to negotiate with him to locate her body.
Another amazing episode! Thank you Truly Criminal!
It's always somebody close to home in cases like this, it's never a "serial killer on the loose"