Yea its just weird to hear him not laughing at retards. i wish Jim would consider a daily talk show format instead of his usual laughing at people thing. even though thats fucking epic, i love this talk show format too. its a shame jim is so sick lately. he only has the energy for one or two streams a month.
Using one's viewers as a personal army to raid a _premiere's_ chat thinking that was going to derail the content even though it's a prerecorded video is something smart people do supposedly.
On my way in to my overnight shift, I stopped at the gas station to grab snacks. The cashier was a zoomer girl about 19, and she saw my metokur hat. Her face lit up and she remarked that she loves Jim's content and asked where I got the hat. There's hope for the younger generation yet chud buds.
@TheDevilsJoint there are various archive channels for his streams, and his subreddit has links to a GDrive with all his stuff available for download. There's also a channel doing metokur and chill, with organizes his content into compilations based on subject matter (furries, Ethan Ralph, etc).
Clifton, there are many people on TH-cam who archive all of Jim’s streams and interviews. Please know they are fans and PLEASE don’t DMCA them. In fact, one of them is why I am here watching it on your channel. We’re all on the same team. You’ll get a lot of views because of the archivists.
I was watching this on an archive channel until I had a thought. Maybe I'll check out Clinton's channel and stream this, from there. 👍 Give the credit where it is due. You have a golden throat Mr. Clifton. Great radio voice. I'm just starting to watch but I'm sure I'll enjoy. 😉 I also sub'd to the channel. 👍
I've always heard such horrible things about Gamergate and a good chunk of it was from these insufferably self righteous journalists. It was so refreshing to hear the other side. This was yet another illuminating interview. I love how rich these conversation are and my world is better because of them. Thank you for this!!
This happened often enough we invented a term for it, "Gamedropping". Whenever a journo was talking about XYZ being bad/ misogynistic/ racist/ whatever they would randomly mention Gamergate. 6 years later and they're still doing it....
It was still a dumpster fire. It started out as movement for ethics in gaming journalism and quickly spiraled into a movement set on finding out how many guys Zoe Quinn slept with. Not to mention there's all of the shenanigans with Sargon of Akkad and friends.
Came back to listen to this again with the whole Sweet Baby Inc situation mirroring gamergate almost exactly 10 years later. This is still the most normal podcast with the most normal host Jim has ever been on. Just two old heads talking about how bad things have gotten without sounding overly bitter or out of touch.
As a dancer, I noticed that the "culture police" no longer allows me to create MY Art. My art and choreography must be "approved" by this invisible council of "appropriate content"
Just heard this on a channel that mirrors Jim's appearances and what a great conversation between two reasonable people. I'm totally subbed because it's nice to hear such frank honesty. We need more conversations like these. We need to once again accept that not everyone will agree with us. I hope younger generations will push back against this. My 18 yo grandson and his friends kind of do and don't buy into the cult on either side. They scorn blind obedience and censorship. Love America but don't think America can do no wrong when obviously it can and often has.
I love Jim's humor, but this level of conversation is something sorely needed as well and reminded me of the more serious deep dives he used to do. Great episode, keep it up!
This is one of the first internet interviewers who interrupts the guest and I actually find what they have to say very interesting and it contributes to the discussion. ::cough cough:: looking at you, Tim Pool.
@@DeflatingAtheism Typically graphene, psychedelics or some sort of weird, metaphysical topic. I think he's done acid/shrooms/MDMA a few too many times, I almost feel bad for him. People in the chat during the live show are awful though, I don't like Ian but they go wayyyy too far.
Gamergate was not about finding out the industry was fake and reviews were given scores for BS reasons, it was about finding out they were all collectively getting into group-chats with each other literally talking about what kinds of articles they were going to publish, what the "themes" of the articles would be, and how all of this was designed from the ground up to push a left-wing narrative. Anyone who says it's just about some girl sleeping with a reviewer has not looked very deeply into the topic.
That’s not really correct. It STARTED out with people calling out reviewers and devs for obvious conflicts of interest and corruption. But as we dig deeper it was revealed that it went much deeper than that and it expanded beyond gaming. The best analogy was it started as a drug bust of two meth heads that gradually revealed it was part of a large cartel working with the government.
Bro I just finished the stream. 10/10. You guys have a great chemistry and you have a gift for interviewing. Looking forward to seeing where this channel takes you. Also regarding gen z: I have zoomer kids and zoomer nieces and nephews. They HATE the culture BS that is being shoved down their throats. The pendulum is swinging the other way. There is hope.
"The Grievance Papers" is what Jim referred to around 18:00. They attempted to publish 20 papers, successfully published 12 of them, and one was nominated as the most important paper ever for "Intersectional Feminism". That one was when they decided to call themselves out because it was more or less a copy/paste of chapter 14 from "Mein Kampf".
@@UnsoberIdiot It WOULD be. Hitler did for his economy what Biden's handlers won't for ours. In a post-WW1 Germany with globalists attempting to enslave it financially, he turned Germany into a world power. One of the most successful leaders in history. People won't hear it though because of what their 5th grade teacher told them that they don't even fully understand.
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Agreed but this is Jim's choice. Its really not much fun for any intelligent person to always be the smartest guy in the room - not necessarily because of world class intelligence but because those surrounding you are dumb.
Thank you! I'm a female gamer since the Atari 5200. I am still looking for this "blatant sexism" stuff. 30 years gaming, and I don't know what people are talking about. Here are the facts. Not my personal experience. These are facts: 1. Women gamers have exploded in the last several decades. There are certainly more female gamers now than there were when I first started. If the industry was really that sexist, then we would not see that increase. 2. The lack of female gamers in the early 70s to the mid-2000s was not the result of marketing only to males. This implies that there was no such thing as failed marketing. Any Marketing Class 101 can give you a million case studies of failed marketing strategies where an uninterested demographic, the wrong demographic, or missed opportunity to advertise to a sizable demographic, happened. Games were advertised to males in the late 80s and early 90's due to the fact that males really were the primary demographic of players. If you look at commercials before the gaming crash, they were advertised as family things. Now, imagine you are an investor in the 1980's and a company we'll call Nintendo just approached you to fund a console development. The last several companies that tried this idea just failed within a couple decades. Would you just give them money without an industry-researched marketing strategy? Would you provide them with money when marketing research showed they were ignoring a huge demographic in their advertising strategy? Not in a million years! 3. The increase in female gamers is due to reaching technical milestones in game development, not because of activism or calls for more equality. Three things specifically attracted female gamers: a) games became more social. I would argue that World of Warcraft was the ground zero to the female gaming explosion. b) games looked better. People looked like people and a tree looked like a tree c) Games became a storytelling medium. They became less about competition and who go the higher score. In other words, females would have played more games anyway.
Reliving the memories ... Gamergate was the first time I felt there was actual hope and that I wasn't alone in seeing the evil machinations of the media and politicos / mafia bureaucrats. Good interview, and dude - you have an awesome voice for podcast / radio style work.
"*when i am weaker than you, i ask for freedom, because its according to your principles. when I am stronger than you, i take away your freedom, because that's according to my principles" - Frank Herbert
really enjoyed your podcast. mister metokur is the last cool kid on the internet and listening to him makes me wax pastorally for the old days when words weren't violence and everyone knew that you can never be free until people are allowed to make fun of you.
The HR comment really hit home for me. The company I work for has one of these as their "thought leader" she is a rich Jamaican, but hides behind being "African American" she also had this company fund the bail project that was involved in the 2020 summer of love.
Same. Where I work, overt criticism of the (American-based, multinational, bailed-out in 2008) company even within its' own walls (i.e not neceessarioly public) is classed as 'violent conduct' under the HR policies, and can lead to summary dismissal without notice.. The ageist policies are ageist, the sexual harrassment training is sexist and the equality policies are racist; yet, no criticism is allowed... (there is literally a piece which gives as an example calling someone over 40 'old' is ageist, but to refer to 'young people' in a negative manner is NOT ageist - 40 is their cutoff...)
It's so bizarre to see now how GAMERGATE was the preliminary spark of all the craziness we're seeing. It's so strange thinking that us nerds in our niche hobby were seeing the beginnings of a cultural storm that would sweep the world, without ever thinking that it would blow up into what it has. We had no idea we were witnessing history happening in front of our faces
It makes sense when you think about it. The largest niche group with a clear culture that transcends borders and language barriers - it was therefore the first place where the woke left's ideology would face huge resistance, whereas until that point (and since) it has continued to steamroll through less united fronts.
@@MrJoeyWheeler because gamers, by and large, never truly cared what someone else looked like. It was about how you perform or the stories you tell. Ffs, I remember GAMERGATE telling me how sexist and misogynistic gaming was, and yet in my 30 years of gaming I've mostly played female characters and almost never experienced this supposed wholesale hatred of women. And then this whole new spin about Asian representation in gaming... my guy, don't they not realize we've been grinding alongside Koreans and Japanese for decades??
I gotta say, I was Red-Pilled as well during GamerGate. Then discovered Yuri Bezmenov lectures on the Stages of Ideological Subversion that explained very well the current sociopolitical climate that we are in. Matt "Boulderman" Jarbo went full Leftard btw... You never go full Leftard!
Yuri Bezmenov spoke facts. its essentially happening. For example in the Netherlands marxist or new left sympathizers have taken over the mainstream media, school system.
I'll be honest, I'd never heard of you until now. That said, you've got a great voice, good sense of humor, and you're a great interviewer. I'll definitely be checking your podcast out in the future.
Late to this conversation, but the POC comment pinged something. I had a friend who basically cut me off because she virtue signaled on FB that she complemented "a POC" on the color of her skin. I asked what the hell a POC was (I had never heard the reductive) and promptly got eviscerated as a racist for being unsensitive by her and her followers.
My main memory of this era is watching in disgust as the “ right side of history “ mob rejoiced in the death of John bain, no fucks given, the man died of cancer . Absolutely disgusting behaviour, indefensible .
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@@rsnerd008 Bank with 500 viewers, 200 of which are botted and another 200 don't actually exist and are just opened tabs + the cozy view multiplier? If 3.50 is bank for you, you probably consider people who get foodstamps billionaires.
I know Metokur mostly from all the drama stuff. So this was a fascinating interview, that for once wasn't focused on the internet drama. I really love how you interview people. Great stuff.
I have the same backstory cliff, Mister Metokur, or Internet Aristocrat as he was known during the time I discovered him, is the same reason I became "red-pilled" and "woke up" so to speak. Funny thing, I was actually very left leaning before hand. I find it funny how much power one influential, charismatic figure can hold over the minds of people, though of course history has taught us this lesson many times before, we just choose to ignore it either willfully or in ignorance. But a single video, "Quinnspiracy Theory", sparked a rabbit hole which my 21 year old self would climb down into, eventually resulting in my personal "red-pilling". And I'll always thank Jim for that. He's remained a legend in my mind for that particular reason - though if I know Jim he'd vehemently deny his legendary status, and insist on calling himself "just some troll/random dude on the internet who makes fun of morons". However these days I don't know if I'd call Jim red pilled anymore. I'd say he's more so on that border, if not having crossed over already yet, of being "black pilled". You know, the mind set of, "it's already happened, there's nothing we can do to prevent or fight it because I already tried that with GamerGate and it didn't work, and now they're coming for our culture and it will only be a matter of time before they come for us so all we can do is sit back, laugh, and watch the mushroom clouds go off in the distance while we wait". Don't get me wrong, I've come extremely close to being black pilled as well, a sort of "surf the Kali Yuga" mentality but without all the weird Aryan dominance shit. But you don't have to look far to see that GamerGate had a massively profound effect that woke up hundreds of thousands, if not even millions of people - both gamers and regular folks alike. It showed us that we CAN fight back against this bullshit, and it's because of Jim and people like him, Razorfist being a big example, showing us how to fight back and "arming us" to do so - so to speak - that I'll always point to one simple saying... "It ain't over, 'till it's over"
Nathan Grayson didn't write a review of Depression Quest but he did speak of the "game" favorable in two different articles without informing the reader that he was friends with the creator. His name even shows up during the end credits under Thank You or something similar I think it was. If Grayson had a sexual relationship with her or not doesn't actually matter. You don't need a degree in journalism to realize this sort of thing is not okay. And he wasn't the only game journalist guilty of this.
If anything, Obama only made me more politically aware. I laughed at all of the rubes who were fooled by some nobody, purely because he was kinda sorta black. He was a prop, plain and simple.
Nice video Clifton, I'm glad I got to listen in on this one Mister Metokur is a pretty legit guest/personality, when he isn't waging some weird war by people trying to ankle bite him. the actual gamer gate discussion is such a weird one, I'm happy you covered the origin, but dear god do modern journalists act like it was something else
I'm not sure if you heard but Metokur recently retired or is going on an indefinite hiatus. It's been fun hope his health improves and they can get him stabilized but if not he is an absolute Legend
Loved your introduction. Best way I’ve ever heard it all articulated. Your term “reality cartel” is genius. They really do completely control the reality of hundreds of millions of people.
@@CliftonADuncan no problem, look forward to wrestling with Copper again to see who can hit the button first if you get raided again next time XD that was fun... by the way one of the sad raid spammers posted the same comment down below, I pushed it to your filter inbox before I left :sunglasses:
The monitization of the internet is somewhat of a faustian bargain. On the one hand, it allows content creators to make a living. On the other hand, it creates a more censorious "advertiser friendly" internet.
It's a rare treat to not hear Jim being made to absolutely decimate someone for some stupid shit being said or done. I like to think, however, Gamergate and the ignition of, is at this point, Mick Foley constantly going over the time the Undertaker nearly killed him. Good stuff.
and truth be told its hard NOT to be black pilled at this point. that hit me a good 2ish years ago. just all turned to shit to me with it all (in the political sphere at least).
We're like medieval serfs that became literate, got an education and an internet connection. To wax Biblical, I think the blackpill must be akin to eating from the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil'.
Yeah, there is one white pill though. All of this is globalized. There is room for more local efforts to make space and currently you have the freedom and agency to do it. Its not that it's easy or that you won't face debilitating conflict, but its not won yet and to the point you don't have to be a martre to pursue it
Great discussion. I’m 1/3 of the way through but I have already enjoyed this. Jim is much more interesting in these kinds of settings. I know people love other stuff, but this is far better for me. It’s junk food vs a full course meal.
Gonna be honest,i have no idea and still don’t know who Clifton Duncan is. I just searched up Mister Metokur onto youtube, saw a video i thought i hadn’t seen, and here i am half way through the video so far. Clifton seems to have a well spoken, well formatted format. If this is the kind of content he puts out i’ll definetly stick around.
so rare to see jim in such good company and comfortable while exchanging genuine ideas and optinions. as you said jim is a man of your heart, so are you duncan of mine. subbed and looking forwards to more good chats.
Hearing Jim, the tormentor of lolcows and king of the shitlords, actually straight-up saying "shit is fucked" was way more sobering than I expected it would be.
Different styles but these are other good interviewers, Ben Shapiro , Peter Schaeffer Tim Pool, Dave ( from x22 report), Jan on American Thought Leader.
Jim is one of the few people still able to articulately and accurately recount the timeline of “good ol” GG. Most others still get something fundamental wrong.
Wow, this was insane but also very sane. It all makes sense and completely ties into what is happening in the arts now, actually the entire world. I’m not even a gamer and I understood and agree with all of this.
Posers are grifters, and GG just seemed to expose a lack of quality and transparency. Always unfortunate, yet more prevalent than ever, whether in arts, business, or politics. Still, it's a hard one. Without GG, we probably wouldn't have MC Jarbo today.
What we have in America is, this idea that being annoying is ok. What we see going on around us is from years and years of two income families and kids with "experts" everywhere, telling them that everything they touch and say is the greatest thing on earth. To the point that what we have now, is rampant annoying behavior disguising itself with psychiatric excuses.
Man I love this channel. Mr. Duncan you are clearly very intelligent, well spoken, know your stuff and on top of all that have a buttery smooth voice that I could listen to all day. You have the best guests and some of the best conversations on the platform, stuff that needs to be brought up and discussed, so thank you! I can't wait for this channel to blow up and get the views and subs it deserves!
Another great interview Clifton! Really been killing it! Have you ever thought into getting Mauler of EFAP on? I think you guys would have a great discussion on the state of movies and hollywood! Keep these coming!
Great vid. any plans on setting up a community discord or anything of that type? would be interesting to get to hang with people who watch and get to know everyone.
@@CliftonADuncan of course. If you ever want to make one, I've made and modded several discords of my own, wouldnt be hard to make. Good luck on your vids regardless!
Identity politics and intersectionality - less theistic, more secular, equally dogmatic. Attempts to subvert personality through demographic grouping. Good episode, brought back some memories -
Idk im convinced secular and dogmatic are tainted in common discourse. What I mean is when you really get down to it religious, spiritual, colonizing, atheist, patriotism, ect. really form down to power and human interaction in a low resolution form. Seeing the categorization as different is extremely useful, but what we are seeing now is where the categorization circles back on itself to become the same original forces. I guess im saying we're in a tower of babel moment, where the categorization is tumbling down to be the origin forces
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 I think it's very difficult to base a human system on qualities other than what you've described. Fair enough as well, some ideologies are built on traits that are less than equitable. We're very imperfect :) My favourite piece of graffiti I've seen read 'The price of freedom is responsibilty' Which extends to all of us, and can be a form of interaction not solely based in, or aiming towards unequally distributed power. Good point though. What underpins function often decides the sustainability of an ideology or practice. Let's see those origin forces in their bare form, and feel free to decide their worth in our lives as individuals, or as accountable and open groups. No dogma to hide behind, whether it's a god, or a party. I still believe this can be achieved in some ways.
@@armouredgideon949 you've nailed it on the head! I really do believe it's the conflict of the tower of babel. Its that constant conflict of us nearing "god" through thought and action to find out we are just off the mark driving us back to more base forms. To me the real ideological and personal struggle as a community should be how to near "god" (utopia) better and interpersonally how to accept the base form and integrate to move further. Its why drama exists... the knifes balance between what is culturally right, biologically right, and interpersonally right is too thin for someone to reach. Basically the complex forms are true for a time, but the simple truths are true for an age. The more centralized the complex truths become the less categorical they become, driving them back towards the base. The more base they are, the more they are driven to complexity to address the issue. Duality in these ideas is where human interpretation comes into play, and real life drama unfolds
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 I think weirdly, the word secular was invented by theists. 'Saecularis' was made to signify of the earth, its creation caused by the ignorance of centralised ruling clergy and their inability to understand the challenges faced by working farmers, labourers, etc. It was necessary to understand what was of the earth, to comprehend function. Also, to still separate it from the apparently divine. I know which crowd I'd rather party with, and it's the free crowd that seeks individuality, knowledge, and self-sufficiency. I think in the future, technology may be able to take us towards post scarcity, and the furthest stars, although it can never teach us the resilience, or depth of our souls. I really like a lot of what you put out there hey 👍 Let's hope we can occasionally differentiate tradition from timeless wisdom, and retain our primal as we develop intellect and knowledge. Both have the capacity to be sacred -
Best new podcast with the most relevant host, topics, & guests. Thank you once again for a deep dive into our current state of affairs. Grateful that you’re posting these fabulous interviews! 🙏👏
You’ve got some nuts having those guy on and shows your intellectual diversity and I appreciate. I saw you have balls because this guy gets cancelled daily lol.
Most of these people must be thrilled that the content of their character is no longer what they're judged by, they have no character. You can throw a name tag on that says "opposed victim: fill-in-the-blank," and that's all people can hold them to. I went through my teens and twenties in the 1990's. Back then if you were lame and had no personality the only thing you could do to hide it was to get every orifice on your body pierced and tattooed everywhere. It hit critical mass to the point where you had to get them on your face and neck. Now instead of a new tattoo or piercing, you just add another pronoun to your social network profile and you're good. Though I think we're hitting that wall now too. Once you get to the point where you refer to yourself in the plural, there isn't much further to go.
The two most delicious voices on the same podcast. Magnificent! I thought Mister Metokur had disappeared. The youtube channel is still dead. No new videos for 2 years. I don't know where to find Mister Metokur's content anymore. The censorcship must be comprehesive.
Metokur sorta just does streams now and deletes the vod. So everything is just reuploaded archives, but can be easily found if you search metokur archive and search for recent ones.
Also, if you go to his main channel here (the one with no content for two years), look at his 'Community' tab. You'll see recent comments from Jim, he announces his streams from there. Keep an eye.
I think one of the worst parts of this is that Gone Home, the game that kicked all this off, is *dogshit.* I've been gaming for over 20 years and it's the most poorly written game I've ever played. It should not have received any of the acclaim it did, and wouldn't have but for what went on behind the scenes.
It's kind of weird watching this a year after you posted. I feel like gamer gate is when I lost touch with the left, or at least the extreme left. It was such a bizarre thing to watch while I was in college. I still lean left, but politics are so exhausting now and I think it really started to get that way back then.
Lol, George takei, the guy that went on NPR and described how he was raped at summer camp being the most liberating experience of his life, and the hosts "Jim & Margery" just had to uncomfortably go along along with it. I'm dead ass serious, that happened and it was the last npr program I listened to almost 9 years ago.
@@daveraschke yep. They were talking about his early life and stuff and being gay, and how his first sexual experience was being molested at camp when he was 12 or 13, and how it was great.
I'm so glad that there are people who remember NotYourShield. Too often people are willing to let it fall to the wayside because the media tried their best to ignore it, with the exception of Mr Shitface.
It's so weird listening to Jim having a normal conversation with a sane person. We live in strange times.
Right? Feels eerie.
Yea its just weird to hear him not laughing at retards. i wish Jim would consider a daily talk show format instead of his usual laughing at people thing. even though thats fucking epic, i love this talk show format too. its a shame jim is so sick lately. he only has the energy for one or two streams a month.
There's actually a lot of interviews with Jim floating around the web where he's very cordial with the host.
@@allencrown 30 years ago he'd be the most famous radio DJ in the world.
He's been doing loads of podcasts ercently. This isn't that different to any of them.
Using one's viewers as a personal army to raid a _premiere's_ chat thinking that was going to derail the content even though it's a prerecorded video is something smart people do supposedly.
I'M FIXIN TO HOLLER
@@rhettorical Guntastic!
Hunt the gunt!
Ralph truly is the dumbest man on earth
Context?
On my way in to my overnight shift, I stopped at the gas station to grab snacks. The cashier was a zoomer girl about 19, and she saw my metokur hat. Her face lit up and she remarked that she loves Jim's content and asked where I got the hat.
There's hope for the younger generation yet chud buds.
I really wish this story was true... it would be a true white pill. 😔
@@billywashere6965 it is true lmao
Whitepill
@Devils Joint he got cancer, youtube hate him, he have his peace & leave the internet
His twitter is still active maybe?
@TheDevilsJoint there are various archive channels for his streams, and his subreddit has links to a GDrive with all his stuff available for download. There's also a channel doing metokur and chill, with organizes his content into compilations based on subject matter (furries, Ethan Ralph, etc).
Holy shit that's Internet Aristocrat. Hearing that voice again brings back some memories, damn.
His current monthly “year of the chud” streams are great. Check them out!
DAS RIIIITE
@@NotQuiteFirstgot a link to the hotep kangs stream? Can't find it lol
He still streams on rare occasions, still entertaining
Clifton, there are many people on TH-cam who archive all of Jim’s streams and interviews. Please know they are fans and PLEASE don’t DMCA them. In fact, one of them is why I am here watching it on your channel. We’re all on the same team. You’ll get a lot of views because of the archivists.
I was watching this on an archive channel until I had a thought. Maybe I'll check out Clinton's channel and stream this, from there. 👍 Give the credit where it is due.
You have a golden throat Mr. Clifton. Great radio voice. I'm just starting to watch but I'm sure I'll enjoy. 😉
I also sub'd to the channel. 👍
Is this what happened to EVS' stream? He even said he and Clifton were due to collab, so that's awkward.
Same and I was so impressed with Clifton's reasonable voice that I subbed.
Yeah i came here from an archivist. Never seen Duncan before but man love his temperament and style, subbed.
Me too! And I just subscribed because of it!
I've always heard such horrible things about Gamergate and a good chunk of it was from these insufferably self righteous journalists. It was so refreshing to hear the other side. This was yet another illuminating interview. I love how rich these conversation are and my world is better because of them. Thank you for this!!
This happened often enough we invented a term for it, "Gamedropping". Whenever a journo was talking about XYZ being bad/ misogynistic/ racist/ whatever they would randomly mention Gamergate. 6 years later and they're still doing it....
@@listener523 All the time I still see it.
Milo covered it best
And where is he now?
It was still a dumpster fire. It started out as movement for ethics in gaming journalism and quickly spiraled into a movement set on finding out how many guys Zoe Quinn slept with. Not to mention there's all of the shenanigans with Sargon of Akkad and friends.
“Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.”
― Plato
Cheers.
finally someone else who realizes the cave is about narrative and not epistemology
Hence why a Prophet is welcome everywhere except his hometown.
Came back to listen to this again with the whole Sweet Baby Inc situation mirroring gamergate almost exactly 10 years later. This is still the most normal podcast with the most normal host Jim has ever been on. Just two old heads talking about how bad things have gotten without sounding overly bitter or out of touch.
As a dancer, I noticed that the "culture police" no longer allows me to create MY Art. My art and choreography must be "approved" by this invisible council of "appropriate content"
Just heard this on a channel that mirrors Jim's appearances and what a great conversation between two reasonable people. I'm totally subbed because it's nice to hear such frank honesty. We need more conversations like these. We need to once again accept that not everyone will agree with us. I hope younger generations will push back against this. My 18 yo grandson and his friends kind of do and don't buy into the cult on either side. They scorn blind obedience and censorship. Love America but don't think America can do no wrong when obviously it can and often has.
I love Jim's humor, but this level of conversation is something sorely needed as well and reminded me of the more serious deep dives he used to do. Great episode, keep it up!
At the time of this viewing, it is 1 year, 2 months, and 13 days and Jim is still alive.
He will outlive us all.
This is one of the first internet interviewers who interrupts the guest and I actually find what they have to say very interesting and it contributes to the discussion. ::cough cough:: looking at you, Tim Pool.
Tim be like: this one time at occupy…
Ian Crossland interrupts the discussion to talk about something completely irrelevant.
I can only tolerate the guy in clips. Even then it’s only ever his appearance on JRE.
Tim Pool is for people who can't read
@@DeflatingAtheism Typically graphene, psychedelics or some sort of weird, metaphysical topic. I think he's done acid/shrooms/MDMA a few too many times, I almost feel bad for him. People in the chat during the live show are awful though, I don't like Ian but they go wayyyy too far.
Another great interview Clifton. I can't believe your channel hasn't exploded yet. When it does, it won't surprise me. You do great work.
It's coming....just share.
Gamergate was not about finding out the industry was fake and reviews were given scores for BS reasons, it was about finding out they were all collectively getting into group-chats with each other literally talking about what kinds of articles they were going to publish, what the "themes" of the articles would be, and how all of this was designed from the ground up to push a left-wing narrative. Anyone who says it's just about some girl sleeping with a reviewer has not looked very deeply into the topic.
That’s not really correct. It STARTED out with people calling out reviewers and devs for obvious conflicts of interest and corruption. But as we dig deeper it was revealed that it went much deeper than that and it expanded beyond gaming.
The best analogy was it started as a drug bust of two meth heads that gradually revealed it was part of a large cartel working with the government.
Ragepig lost. Jim won.
@Gg2 Hh pig
Now rage pig is hiding in a shipping container somewhere in Mexico city, dodging the cartels, lol.
You got the right man for the job. Metokur knows the whole deal.
Das Rite!
Yeah, there's only a couple other people that are still around that would be worth talking to about this topic, that would also be trustworthy.
@@Owl90 Clearly you mean Matt Jarbo
@@TheBParsons Jarbo is 🤴 king 🤴
@@Owl90 You'd literally have to talk to as *many* of the GamerGate figures to get the whole picture, not just a "couple".
Bro I just finished the stream. 10/10. You guys have a great chemistry and you have a gift for interviewing. Looking forward to seeing where this channel takes you.
Also regarding gen z: I have zoomer kids and zoomer nieces and nephews. They HATE the culture BS that is being shoved down their throats. The pendulum is swinging the other way. There is hope.
Metokur is a legend.
The gamer who rose up
"The Grievance Papers" is what Jim referred to around 18:00. They attempted to publish 20 papers, successfully published 12 of them, and one was nominated as the most important paper ever for "Intersectional Feminism". That one was when they decided to call themselves out because it was more or less a copy/paste of chapter 14 from "Mein Kampf".
Didnt the the "dog park rape culture by male dogs reflects on human society" (or something) got an award?
tbf Mein Kampf is pretty good
He is referring to Alan Sokal. same thing but in 1996.
The Grievance Studies Affair was inspired by Alan Sokal's original hoax in the 90s; occasionally you'll see people refer to it as "Sokal Squared".
@@UnsoberIdiot It WOULD be. Hitler did for his economy what Biden's handlers won't for ours. In a post-WW1 Germany with globalists attempting to enslave it financially, he turned Germany into a world power. One of the most successful leaders in history. People won't hear it though because of what their 5th grade teacher told them that they don't even fully understand.
So rare to see Jim converse with someone on par with him intellectually. Cow punting is great, but this is best.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought so.
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Agreed but this is Jim's choice. Its really not much fun for any intelligent person to always be the smartest guy in the room - not necessarily because of world class intelligence but because those surrounding you are dumb.
i wish this was at LEAST another hour.
GRRRRREAT conversation. THANK YOU BOTH!!!
Thank you! I'm a female gamer since the Atari 5200. I am still looking for this "blatant sexism" stuff. 30 years gaming, and I don't know what people are talking about. Here are the facts. Not my personal experience. These are facts:
1. Women gamers have exploded in the last several decades. There are certainly more female gamers now than there were when I first started. If the industry was really that sexist, then we would not see that increase.
2. The lack of female gamers in the early 70s to the mid-2000s was not the result of marketing only to males. This implies that there was no such thing as failed marketing. Any Marketing Class 101 can give you a million case studies of failed marketing strategies where an uninterested demographic, the wrong demographic, or missed opportunity to advertise to a sizable demographic, happened. Games were advertised to males in the late 80s and early 90's due to the fact that males really were the primary demographic of players. If you look at commercials before the gaming crash, they were advertised as family things. Now, imagine you are an investor in the 1980's and a company we'll call Nintendo just approached you to fund a console development. The last several companies that tried this idea just failed within a couple decades. Would you just give them money without an industry-researched marketing strategy? Would you provide them with money when marketing research showed they were ignoring a huge demographic in their advertising strategy? Not in a million years!
3. The increase in female gamers is due to reaching technical milestones in game development, not because of activism or calls for more equality. Three things specifically attracted female gamers: a) games became more social. I would argue that World of Warcraft was the ground zero to the female gaming explosion. b) games looked better. People looked like people and a tree looked like a tree c) Games became a storytelling medium. They became less about competition and who go the higher score. In other words, females would have played more games anyway.
Exactly! But when you try to explain this to certain people it's like they just don't want to listen.
Reliving the memories ... Gamergate was the first time I felt there was actual hope and that I wasn't alone in seeing the evil machinations of the media and politicos / mafia bureaucrats.
Good interview, and dude - you have an awesome voice for podcast / radio style work.
"*when i am weaker than you, i ask for freedom, because its according to your principles. when I am stronger than you, i take away your freedom, because that's according to my principles" - Frank Herbert
I love that my Gen-Z sister and her friends think a lot of the new sexualities are dumb. They’re just like… get over yourself and move on.
really enjoyed your podcast. mister metokur is the last cool kid on the internet and listening to him makes me wax pastorally for the old days when words weren't violence and everyone knew that you can never be free until people are allowed to make fun of you.
The HR comment really hit home for me. The company I work for has one of these as their "thought leader" she is a rich Jamaican, but hides behind being "African American" she also had this company fund the bail project that was involved in the 2020 summer of love.
Same. Where I work, overt criticism of the (American-based, multinational, bailed-out in 2008) company even within its' own walls (i.e not neceessarioly public) is classed as 'violent conduct' under the HR policies, and can lead to summary dismissal without notice..
The ageist policies are ageist, the sexual harrassment training is sexist and the equality policies are racist; yet, no criticism is allowed...
(there is literally a piece which gives as an example calling someone over 40 'old' is ageist, but to refer to 'young people' in a negative manner is NOT ageist - 40 is their cutoff...)
Sheeit
That's so funny. She isn't even related Africans then
Came from an archive channel but I'll watch it here to show support.
Watched your Razorfist video, you mentioned this video. I had to watch it. Good stuff.. I will dig.
Another Metokur fan that found his way here. Really enjoyed the conversation and I look forward to exploring more of your catalogue.
I love hearing jim talk, he came from a different era and you notice but that insight. The end of an era, I raise my glass to him
I am so excited to hear about this because I had no idea what this was until you talked about it. So of course, I gotta know everything now !
New Clifton Duncan fan right here! Subscribed and gonna go through his catalog!
It's so bizarre to see now how GAMERGATE was the preliminary spark of all the craziness we're seeing. It's so strange thinking that us nerds in our niche hobby were seeing the beginnings of a cultural storm that would sweep the world, without ever thinking that it would blow up into what it has. We had no idea we were witnessing history happening in front of our faces
It makes sense when you think about it. The largest niche group with a clear culture that transcends borders and language barriers - it was therefore the first place where the woke left's ideology would face huge resistance, whereas until that point (and since) it has continued to steamroll through less united fronts.
@@MrJoeyWheeler because gamers, by and large, never truly cared what someone else looked like. It was about how you perform or the stories you tell. Ffs, I remember GAMERGATE telling me how sexist and misogynistic gaming was, and yet in my 30 years of gaming I've mostly played female characters and almost never experienced this supposed wholesale hatred of women. And then this whole new spin about Asian representation in gaming... my guy, don't they not realize we've been grinding alongside Koreans and Japanese for decades??
Angry people of the world unite under populism! What could possibly go wrong?
Delusions of grandeur. LMAO. 😂. You're not that important.
@@GregorySnipe Important enough to trigger your fingers into typing a response
I gotta say, I was Red-Pilled as well during GamerGate. Then discovered Yuri Bezmenov lectures on the Stages of Ideological Subversion that explained very well the current sociopolitical climate that we are in.
Matt "Boulderman" Jarbo went full Leftard btw... You never go full Leftard!
Yuri Bezmenov spoke facts. its essentially happening. For example in the Netherlands marxist or new left sympathizers have taken over the mainstream media, school system.
I'll be honest, I'd never heard of you until now. That said, you've got a great voice, good sense of humor, and you're a great interviewer. I'll definitely be checking your podcast out in the future.
Late to this conversation, but the POC comment pinged something. I had a friend who basically cut me off because she virtue signaled on FB that she complemented "a POC" on the color of her skin. I asked what the hell a POC was (I had never heard the reductive) and promptly got eviscerated as a racist for being unsensitive by her and her followers.
"Are you against monetization?"
"Gee, I don't know. But if you buy my hats, I'll tell you."
My main memory of this era is watching in disgust as the “ right side of history “ mob rejoiced in the death of John bain, no fucks given, the man died of cancer .
Absolutely disgusting behaviour, indefensible .
Never forget that on this day, a pig paid a lot of money for bots to raid the chat of a fucking premiere.
Great discussion BTW.
Hol' up... it's bots? That would explain the sudden popularity, but man, I didn't think it'd get this lame. lol
LMAO WE RAIDED THIER SHIT HAD FUN AND RALPH MADE BANK DIE MAD ABOUT IT HAHAHAAAHAHA
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@@rsnerd008 Bank with 500 viewers, 200 of which are botted and another 200 don't actually exist and are just opened tabs + the cozy view multiplier? If 3.50 is bank for you, you probably consider people who get foodstamps billionaires.
@@rsnerd008 It's true because it's in all caps. Ralphamales stay winning!
I know Metokur mostly from all the drama stuff. So this was a fascinating interview, that for once wasn't focused on the internet drama. I really love how you interview people. Great stuff.
"We did not advocated for free speech, we did it for OUR SPEECH"
Wow, that tells many things about extreme ideology.
I have the same backstory cliff, Mister Metokur, or Internet Aristocrat as he was known during the time I discovered him, is the same reason I became "red-pilled" and "woke up" so to speak. Funny thing, I was actually very left leaning before hand. I find it funny how much power one influential, charismatic figure can hold over the minds of people, though of course history has taught us this lesson many times before, we just choose to ignore it either willfully or in ignorance. But a single video, "Quinnspiracy Theory", sparked a rabbit hole which my 21 year old self would climb down into, eventually resulting in my personal "red-pilling".
And I'll always thank Jim for that. He's remained a legend in my mind for that particular reason - though if I know Jim he'd vehemently deny his legendary status, and insist on calling himself "just some troll/random dude on the internet who makes fun of morons".
However these days I don't know if I'd call Jim red pilled anymore. I'd say he's more so on that border, if not having crossed over already yet, of being "black pilled". You know, the mind set of, "it's already happened, there's nothing we can do to prevent or fight it because I already tried that with GamerGate and it didn't work, and now they're coming for our culture and it will only be a matter of time before they come for us so all we can do is sit back, laugh, and watch the mushroom clouds go off in the distance while we wait". Don't get me wrong, I've come extremely close to being black pilled as well, a sort of "surf the Kali Yuga" mentality but without all the weird Aryan dominance shit. But you don't have to look far to see that GamerGate had a massively profound effect that woke up hundreds of thousands, if not even millions of people - both gamers and regular folks alike. It showed us that we CAN fight back against this bullshit, and it's because of Jim and people like him, Razorfist being a big example, showing us how to fight back and "arming us" to do so - so to speak - that I'll always point to one simple saying...
"It ain't over, 'till it's over"
Nathan Grayson didn't write a review of Depression Quest but he did speak of the "game" favorable in two different articles without informing the reader that he was friends with the creator. His name even shows up during the end credits under Thank You or something similar I think it was. If Grayson had a sexual relationship with her or not doesn't actually matter. You don't need a degree in journalism to realize this sort of thing is not okay. And he wasn't the only game journalist guilty of this.
If anything, Obama only made me more politically aware. I laughed at all of the rubes who were fooled by some nobody, purely because he was kinda sorta black. He was a prop, plain and simple.
Nice video Clifton, I'm glad I got to listen in on this one
Mister Metokur is a pretty legit guest/personality, when he isn't waging some weird war by people trying to ankle bite him. the actual gamer gate discussion is such a weird one, I'm happy you covered the origin, but dear god do modern journalists act like it was something else
The internet had 3 eras: Pre-9/11, 9/11 - pre Social media (2001 - 2007), Post social media takeover (2007 - now).
I'm not sure if you heard but Metokur recently retired or is going on an indefinite hiatus. It's been fun hope his health improves and they can get him stabilized but if not he is an absolute Legend
He's been steaming on Odysee.
@@SirBlackReeds not as of late he's officially retired
Loved your introduction. Best way I’ve ever heard it all articulated. Your term “reality cartel” is genius. They really do completely control the reality of hundreds of millions of people.
That stream was a treat, be coming back anytime I'm not stuck on the road. Well done!
@@CliftonADuncan no problem, look forward to wrestling with Copper again to see who can hit the button first if you get raided again next time XD that was fun... by the way one of the sad raid spammers posted the same comment down below, I pushed it to your filter inbox before I left :sunglasses:
Its comforting to hear multiple people recognizing reality for what it is
The monitization of the internet is somewhat of a faustian bargain. On the one hand, it allows content creators to make a living. On the other hand, it creates a more censorious "advertiser friendly" internet.
Thanks for that great recapitulation of gamergate, InternetAristocrat/Mr. Metokur. That video was the first time, I really got an idea of what it was.
It's a rare treat to not hear Jim being made to absolutely decimate someone for some stupid shit being said or done.
I like to think, however, Gamergate and the ignition of, is at this point, Mick Foley constantly going over the time the Undertaker nearly killed him.
Good stuff.
and truth be told its hard NOT to be black pilled at this point.
that hit me a good 2ish years ago. just all turned to shit to me with it all (in the political sphere at least).
We're like medieval serfs that became literate, got an education and an internet connection. To wax Biblical, I think the blackpill must be akin to eating from the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil'.
Yeah, there is one white pill though. All of this is globalized. There is room for more local efforts to make space and currently you have the freedom and agency to do it. Its not that it's easy or that you won't face debilitating conflict, but its not won yet and to the point you don't have to be a martre to pursue it
Wow, suddenly this conversation is hyper relevant again.
Clifton has such unique and interesting conversations. Awesome video!
Great discussion. I’m 1/3 of the way through but I have already enjoyed this. Jim is much more interesting in these kinds of settings. I know people love other stuff, but this is far better for me. It’s junk food vs a full course meal.
Gonna be honest,i have no idea and still don’t know who Clifton Duncan is. I just searched up Mister Metokur onto youtube, saw a video i thought i hadn’t seen, and here i am half way through the video so far. Clifton seems to have a well spoken, well formatted format. If this is the kind of content he puts out i’ll definetly stick around.
lol ralph mad that his daddy talked to a black man
so rare to see jim in such good company and comfortable while exchanging genuine ideas and optinions. as you said jim is a man of your heart, so are you duncan of mine. subbed and looking forwards to more good chats.
I had just recently subscribed and then you have Jim on. Good shit.
Hearing Jim, the tormentor of lolcows and king of the shitlords, actually straight-up saying "shit is fucked" was way more sobering than I expected it would be.
ooooooo this is gonna be a GOOD one. COUNT ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Duncan is new to me, however he is quickly becoming my favorite interviewer.
Different styles but these are other good interviewers, Ben Shapiro , Peter Schaeffer Tim Pool, Dave ( from x22 report), Jan on American Thought Leader.
Gunt lost
That was maybe the best introduction I’ve ever heard anyone give Jim.
This is already the 6th most popular video on this channel after just 12 hours and I have a feeling it’s going to keep climbing. Gamers rise up!
Jim is one of the few people still able to articulately and accurately recount the timeline of “good ol” GG.
Most others still get something fundamental wrong.
I know you from a meme, ''The Science changes''
Yes, it keeps changing into things people said months ago and got banned for
Wow, this was insane but also very sane. It all makes sense and completely ties into what is happening in the arts now, actually the entire world. I’m not even a gamer and I understood and agree with all of this.
Posers are grifters, and GG just seemed to expose a lack of quality and transparency.
Always unfortunate, yet more prevalent than ever, whether in arts, business, or politics.
Still, it's a hard one. Without GG, we probably wouldn't have MC Jarbo today.
@@CliftonADuncan youre still a basketball american
@@guess_ill_fucking_die He's a basketball American who is on the right path
Better than the ones that burn down family businesses
@@KingMinionDemon lmao no. hes still a N. they never change.
You're a competent interviewer, that's a lot to ask for these days. Subbed.
What we have in America is, this idea that being annoying is ok. What we see going on around us is from years and years of two income families and kids with "experts" everywhere, telling them that everything they touch and say is the greatest thing on earth. To the point that what we have now, is rampant annoying behavior disguising itself with psychiatric excuses.
Fantastic interview--and pretty much a perfect synopsis of the last ten years or so of "internet culture."
Great conversation, thanks guys 👍🏼
Man I love this channel. Mr. Duncan you are clearly very intelligent, well spoken, know your stuff and on top of all that have a buttery smooth voice that I could listen to all day. You have the best guests and some of the best conversations on the platform, stuff that needs to be brought up and discussed, so thank you! I can't wait for this channel to blow up and get the views and subs it deserves!
Another great interview Clifton! Really been killing it! Have you ever thought into getting Mauler of EFAP on? I think you guys would have a great discussion on the state of movies and hollywood! Keep these coming!
Great vid. any plans on setting up a community discord or anything of that type? would be interesting to get to hang with people who watch and get to know everyone.
@@CliftonADuncan of course. If you ever want to make one, I've made and modded several discords of my own, wouldnt be hard to make. Good luck on your vids regardless!
@@CliftonADuncan don't do it. It always ends badly
@@CliftonADuncan discord is full of children and insane people. I wouldnt recommend using it
@@CliftonADuncan Unless you want pedos in your community, avoiding Discord is the right choice.
Identity politics and intersectionality - less theistic, more secular, equally dogmatic.
Attempts to subvert personality through demographic grouping.
Good episode, brought back some memories -
Idk im convinced secular and dogmatic are tainted in common discourse. What I mean is when you really get down to it religious, spiritual, colonizing, atheist, patriotism, ect. really form down to power and human interaction in a low resolution form. Seeing the categorization as different is extremely useful, but what we are seeing now is where the categorization circles back on itself to become the same original forces. I guess im saying we're in a tower of babel moment, where the categorization is tumbling down to be the origin forces
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 I think it's very difficult to base a human system on qualities other than what you've described. Fair enough as well, some ideologies are built on traits that are less than equitable. We're very imperfect :)
My favourite piece of graffiti I've seen read 'The price of freedom is responsibilty'
Which extends to all of us, and can be a form of interaction not solely based in, or aiming towards unequally distributed power.
Good point though. What underpins function often decides the sustainability of an ideology or practice.
Let's see those origin forces in their bare form, and feel free to decide their worth in our lives as individuals, or as accountable and open groups.
No dogma to hide behind, whether it's a god, or a party.
I still believe this can be achieved in some ways.
@@armouredgideon949 you've nailed it on the head! I really do believe it's the conflict of the tower of babel. Its that constant conflict of us nearing "god" through thought and action to find out we are just off the mark driving us back to more base forms. To me the real ideological and personal struggle as a community should be how to near "god" (utopia) better and interpersonally how to accept the base form and integrate to move further. Its why drama exists... the knifes balance between what is culturally right, biologically right, and interpersonally right is too thin for someone to reach.
Basically the complex forms are true for a time, but the simple truths are true for an age. The more centralized the complex truths become the less categorical they become, driving them back towards the base. The more base they are, the more they are driven to complexity to address the issue. Duality in these ideas is where human interpretation comes into play, and real life drama unfolds
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 I think weirdly, the word secular was invented by theists. 'Saecularis' was made to signify of the earth, its creation caused by the ignorance of centralised ruling clergy and their inability to understand the challenges faced by working farmers, labourers, etc.
It was necessary to understand what was of the earth, to comprehend function. Also, to still separate it from the apparently divine.
I know which crowd I'd rather party with, and it's the free crowd that seeks individuality, knowledge, and self-sufficiency.
I think in the future, technology may be able to take us towards post scarcity, and the furthest stars, although it can never teach us the resilience, or depth of our souls.
I really like a lot of what you put out there hey 👍
Let's hope we can occasionally differentiate tradition from timeless wisdom, and retain our primal as we develop intellect and knowledge.
Both have the capacity to be sacred -
@@armouredgideon949 I appreciate the kind words! Interesting thoughts as well!
RIP Cancer-man Jim.
Clifton is a fantastic interviewer very well spoken and thoughtful. You just got yourself a new subscriber.
Great interview!
Jim engaging in a civilized back and forth discussion in which nobody is insulted or jeered? What heresy is this?
Best new podcast with the most relevant host, topics, & guests. Thank you once again for a deep dive into our current state of affairs. Grateful that you’re posting these fabulous interviews! 🙏👏
You’ve got some nuts having those guy on and shows your intellectual diversity and I appreciate. I saw you have balls because this guy gets cancelled daily lol.
Mister Metokur is a legend that is very under-rated
Most of these people must be thrilled that the content of their character is no longer what they're judged by, they have no character. You can throw a name tag on that says "opposed victim: fill-in-the-blank," and that's all people can hold them to.
I went through my teens and twenties in the 1990's. Back then if you were lame and had no personality the only thing you could do to hide it was to get every orifice on your body pierced and tattooed everywhere. It hit critical mass to the point where you had to get them on your face and neck.
Now instead of a new tattoo or piercing, you just add another pronoun to your social network profile and you're good. Though I think we're hitting that wall now too. Once you get to the point where you refer to yourself in the plural, there isn't much further to go.
Thank you for having Jim on.
The two most delicious voices on the same podcast. Magnificent! I thought Mister Metokur had disappeared. The youtube channel is still dead. No new videos for 2 years. I don't know where to find Mister Metokur's content anymore. The censorcship must be comprehesive.
Metokur sorta just does streams now and deletes the vod. So everything is just reuploaded archives, but can be easily found if you search metokur archive and search for recent ones.
Also, if you go to his main channel here (the one with no content for two years), look at his 'Community' tab.
You'll see recent comments from Jim, he announces his streams from there. Keep an eye.
I think one of the worst parts of this is that Gone Home, the game that kicked all this off, is *dogshit.* I've been gaming for over 20 years and it's the most poorly written game I've ever played. It should not have received any of the acclaim it did, and wouldn't have but for what went on behind the scenes.
Groom be, daddy Jim...
⚡️watty⚡️quad
When I first watched a tumblrism or browsed around ebaums and newgrounds never thought we'd be discussing them like ancient history
Found the pod recently. I'll be sharing with friends, for what it's worth!!
Damn it good to Jim still kicking it after all these years
It's kind of weird watching this a year after you posted. I feel like gamer gate is when I lost touch with the left, or at least the extreme left. It was such a bizarre thing to watch while I was in college. I still lean left, but politics are so exhausting now and I think it really started to get that way back then.
Lol, George takei, the guy that went on NPR and described how he was raped at summer camp being the most liberating experience of his life, and the hosts "Jim & Margery" just had to uncomfortably go along along with it.
I'm dead ass serious, that happened and it was the last npr program I listened to almost 9 years ago.
IM SORRY WHAT THE FUCK
@@daveraschke yep. They were talking about his early life and stuff and being gay, and how his first sexual experience was being molested at camp when he was 12 or 13, and how it was great.
I'm so glad that there are people who remember NotYourShield. Too often people are willing to let it fall to the wayside because the media tried their best to ignore it, with the exception of Mr Shitface.
These two have great chemistry. I hope they can do another one of these before daddy Jim kicks off.
'"Ladies and Gentlemen and everyone in between." Great intro.