This figure is gorgeous! I do have a question though. How do you find the papers you use for the science aspects of these videos? I find that I'm terrible at resource-gathering.
Most likely google scholar and the references on Wikipedia. And if he is on a univerity, they often have extra search maschines and databanks for papers and literature.
Good question! For a start, I suggest you visit the dinosaur's entry in Wikipedia. Then as you read something interesting, look up the indexed references. I highly recommend this because quite a number of times now, I have read the original article and found the Wikipedia information wrong. In some instances, the Wiki entry draws the very opposite conclusion to that reported in the original paper. That aside, I also follow blogs of serious paleontologists and experts, such as Scott Hartman's skeletaldrawing(dot)com, SVPOW, and Mark Witton. You'll find interesting digestible articles. Finally, I have favourite artists on DeviantArt and when they reconstruct a skeletal, they list references they have used. Look those up as well. By the way, nice user name! If PNSO ever releases an Ichthyovenator, I am sure they will have to to meet your exacting standards! 😁
@@DinosDragons That is so helpful thanks! I do paleoart and I feel the research behind it can be lacking at times and I get corrected on obvious mistakes and proportional errors by comments at times. so this is highly appreciated! And yes, an Ichthyovenator from PNSO to exceed the CollectA would be fantastic.
The wonders of the wild one is good too but that series is overpriced imo. Nanmu makes some as well but they might not be anatomically correct with the latest research.
@@Bota7120 Dude go look at their catalogue. Sadly, YT doesn't allow links. But they have a line up separate from their JP models. They have a 'Rexy' model from JP for example but then they have the more realistic T-Rex as well.
Personally, I’d imagine Spinosaurus having lips similar to that of a river dolphin. Where the front of the mouth is exposed, but the posterior teeth are covered by soft tissue. Regardless, this is another fantastic addition to PNSO’s lineup.
Amazing Spinosaurus! Definitely will buy this! I dont mind the lipless looks on Spinos. That detail indeed is amazing!! And Im so happy it's in 1/35 scale!
To actually have it finally in model form from PNSO is an unreal feeling! And comparing it to the T Rex, is a real pleasure! That detail is just sweet! PNSO really made us wait for this one, but it was worth it!😁
It is called convergent evolution. Spinosaurids are the only group of theropods that present a strong case for liplessness, especially spinosaurus itself
@kyleholder3785 I think no one is saying they are related. But the convergence resulting in so many similar characteristics does make one wonder how far this convergent evolution went.
La figura es realmente increíble, es impresionante el nivel de detalle que tienen las escamas de la piel: tan diversas y finas al mismo tiempo, es una locura! Igual me había percatado de esos cambios en la vela últimamente, he visto a algunos paleoartistas inclinándose a darle una forma más uniforme a la vela del Spinosaurus 😮
¡Lo siento por mi respuesta tardía! Sí, efectivamente, este es un modelo increíble. Después supe que esto se basa en la reconstrucción de Sereno. Al menos, la vela lo es. ¡Aunque todavía estoy confundido en cuanto a la inmersión en la base de la cola! Quizás no entiendo completamente el documento de 2022.
Once again appreciating how moderate and objective your reviews are. When you hype up a model to this extent, I know beyond all doubt it is worthy of it. While I understand why they deviated from the conventional silhouette, the river dragon aesthetic with the jagged sail and large tail fins is so pleasing that I can't help but feel a little sad the science has started moving on from it. Either way, it was an instant order for me.
Thank you Zac! I do try to be professional, but this one absolutely blew away any expectations I had 😀😀. The _exquisite detail_ on a 'boring' part like the torso, and the incredible smörgåsbord of visual detail and variety everywhere is insane. I would never have believed to see something like this on a mass produced model. I have even seen high end resin kits that don't have this kind of detail! I am sure you will see exactly what I mean when yours arrives. No amount of photo or video can do this model justice!
El nivel de detalle bien se merece ser considerado un producto de la serie museo. Ojalá vuelvan a hacer todos su viejos modelos con su actual nivel de detalle, sería una muy buena forma de actualizar su catálogo sin arriesgarse a meterse en animales nuevos. Grandioso vídeo, amigo ☺🙏🏼
¡Noto que el último Edmontosaurus tampoco es un modelo Museum Line! Creo que es posible que PNSO se dé cuenta de que el alto coste del envío adicional del material escrito que muchos coleccionistas occidentales no quieren está perjudicando las ventas. Creo que a la mayoría de los coleccionistas no les importarían los dinosaurios de Museum Line si realmente tuvieran buenos extras como las bases del pasado? 🤔
@@DinosDragons Coincido totalmente. Es mejor añadir más elementos útiles tipo las bases, que no tanto póster o libritos con texto que no quiere casi nadie 🤷🏻♂️
Finally, the courier arrived and I got my new Spino from PNSO. My spino is very stable and will not fall forward due to the tail behaving like a stable third leg. The coloration is slightly better than the one shown in this video. I noticed that this video's spino has painting error around the arm which mine fortunately does not have. However, I notice a slight vertical indentation right at the end of the tail which is unfortunate. Overall, its a really good buy even for non- spino fan. I am surprised at how much lighter the model is compared to cameron. The paint job is great but unfortunately it is too similar to the PNSO new yangchuanosaurus magnus.
You have very sharp eyes! And yes, in-hand always looks better. Lighting makes a difference, plus my camera simply doesn't have a high enough HDR to capture all the subtleties. I am glad that your Spino's arm is better painted than mine! 👍👍
2:33 il iest important de noter que les jambes du spinosaurus de pnso 2023 sont trop petites car elle mesure 1.8 - 2 m alors qu’elle devrait actuellement mesuré 2.5 - 2.6 m de hauteur se qui est plus logique même si personnellement un spécimens de spinosaurus de 14 m de longueur devrait avoir des jambes qui mesure entre 3.0 - 3.5 m logiquement.
There are so many interpretations for such a fragmentary creature, which may or may not be chimera, and which depending on the scaling system used, give so many possible measures that it all is really quite arbitrary, and there is no one definitive measure. I recently saw a very spirited argument based on MSMN V4047, and I think it's ridiculous since even if we knew every single bone in Spinosaurus anatomy, ever individual doesn't scale much _exactly_ in proportions. Think about the people you know who have bigger hands on a shorter body than you, or some other measure.
its my birthday on the 6th of january and this guy is all i want straight up, ive already got the other megatheropods and essian but i want a acurate spino thats somwhat to scale with the others
Well it's fortunate that you say "somewhat to scale" because there will always be some contention as to what was how long, heavy, etc! 🤣 Happy Birthday in advance!
I just couldn't imagine an animal like this having "lips" anyways.. that notch in the upper jaw obviously served a purpose. Would covering it up with immobile "lips" really make sense? I think the lip obsession among figure collectors and fans of paleoart in particular has gone a bit overboard and often comes down to an aesthetic preference. Kind of like the feather obsession from 6 or so years ago.
None of the researchers who have published articles and studies on this species (Ibrahim, Paul C. Sereno, etc.), have talked about the possibility that this particular theropod had lips, since the similarity and convergence with the structure of the jaw of crocodilians makes this hypothesis very unlikely
@@PondScummer Ignoring the fact that they are not related species, it is very difficult to ignore that there is some similarity of the general morphology of the jaw of Spinosaurus (with a narrow snout and adapted to catch fish) with the present-day Indian Gharial, which as we know is a crocodilian specialized in catching fish
@Overcookedsoul Wow I see some really intelligent comments here, and I think there's little to add. I have to say that lips is an area where it will be very hard to actually get a definitive response, and for me that's what the fun of paelontology is partly about. Following the twists and turns of the controversies that will always rear up from time to time. I would say that feathers on huge theropods never ever made sense to me, and I am glad that that phase at least for now, is over!
Lipped vs non lipped also tends to ignore the potential of a partially lipped condition (where the front teeth are exposed but the back are not, like the Ganges river dolphin). This extent also could have varied among spinosaurids (I believe other theropods were lipped). As is often the case, the debate has turned it into an “all or nothing” and both sides of that coin have turned it into an aesthetic preference.
I think this is based on the skeletal from the 2022 Sereno et al. paper titled "Spinosaurus is not an aguatic dinosaur", which is why the tail lacks the dip at it's base, as well as why the tail is less broad than in Ibrahim et al. 2020.
That also explains why the Spino is "smaller" than usual because Sereno's Spino was scaled quite small at 13.53 m. long as they used the destroyed holotype as a reference and not the neotype. But from whence it came, the Sereno model is outdated(yet again) as well because of other reconstructive issues.
@@carnoraptor79 I thought it was 14 m. Also, do you say it's outdated because there were other interpretations made later (Ivan, Dan Folkes, Henrique Paes/randomdinos) or because of other reasons?
@@Supiragon1998 The Sereno paper listed that their Spino was scaled to 13.53 m. long with a body mass of around 8 metric tons, but that is also dependant on the density applied as they used avian bird density which isn't accurate and hence made the model fail all the buoyancy tests. What I meant about "outdated" is how the Sereno model itself is outdated because he or at least the researchers in question got quite alot of errors in the anatomy and apparently, have reused some 2014 scans. Yes IK those reconstructions, but tbf, they're all based off speculation and also based off Sereno's paper and funnily enough, all vary from size, to density, to proportions and etc. So it's really just a "choose your favorite" and roll with it sort of thing for now because Ibrahim is still quite silent atm and he's the one in possession of the bones. So yah lol
@Supiragon1998 Sorry for the late reply! yes I've since become aware of the 3D render, but the 2022 Sereno paper in Fig 1 and 2 still accounts for spinous processes in the tail base.
I wasn't expecting to like this figure as much as I now do, after watching the review. The variation in scales is spectacular, and the colours really bring them out very well. Aymen would look very nice next to my PNSO Suchomimus too - looking forward to the next video with comparisons, please include Thabo if you can @DinosDragons! 😅
I seriously hope that this is the final version of this ever-evolving dinosaur. Who knows! Maybe it had wings. Haha... All jokes aside, this figure looks absolutely stunning. The most perfect Spinosaurus, I'd say. I know it's hard to satisfy people, but I hope they will be satisfied with this beauty. Thank you so much for the amazing review, my dear sir. You are the best.🖤
Haha I think not my friend! All it takes is for just one more fossil find for the house of cards to come crashing down. Ibrahim et al themselves seem to have planned a slow trickle of information out, and Spinosaurus is a gift that seems to keep on giving. We'll see! PS: I added some addenda in my description box for more context.
Excellent review as always, I think Pnso has based this model on the latest skeletal reconstruction by scanning and 3D model published by Paul.C. Sereno and other collaborators in their 2022 article, which differs from Ibrahim et al´s. (2014) model, in this article you can see the different interpretation in the shape of the dorsal sail, shortening of the torso, etc "Spinosaurus is not an acuatic dinosaur" by Paul C. Sereno and others Nov.2022
Thank you! Unfortunately I did not see that scan until after this video was done. I'm pretty poor on knowledge theropod wise. However I'm curious, this model is not actually in the Sereno et al 2022 paper. Certainly the one i the actual paper has accounted for the neural spines in the base of the tail. Was it in supplementary material?
@@DinosDragons I was referring to the paper "Spinosaurus is not an aquatic dinosaur" Paul C Sereno, Nathan MyhrvoldDonald ,M Henderson, Frank E Fish ,Daniel Vidal, Stephanie L Baumgart ,Tyler M Keillor ,Kiersten K Formoso ,Lauren L Conroy (Nov. 2022).... , I don't know if you've read it in full, diagrams appear with the new sail shape as well as other characteristics
You're a really positive person my friend! 😁 Thanos is in my mind is a greater example of irrational exuberance than even my previous favourite example the Mecuriceratops. I really hope that if PNSO does another abelisaurid, they redo their Carnotaurus with their current level of ability.
IDK, I'm not really sold on Aymen here because for one, it's quite expensive because it's a Museum Figure and from what I heard from other friends of mine who got Aymen in hand, the paint apparently chips and flakes off quite easily. So I'm not too sure if I'm willing to risk it when Rebor has "Dio" in the works which would probably be cheaper probably have more value because it would be just an overall larger and beefier figure like their Rex and upcoming Giga. Also Fun Fact: PNSO themselves in their marketing confirmed Aymen is Essien's older brother and is the "herd's former leader". So PNSO could do a surprising stunt and release another larger Spino like perhaps Aymen and Essien's Dad or Mom? Would be interesting since they kinda did that with Cameron, Wilson, Andrea and Logan.
A larger spino would be completely unneccesary. This one is already 14 meters long, which is also the new estimate for spino. They need to move on from theropods now
@@Bota7120 It just doesn't seem right to me because Randomdinos' 2023 estimate has Spino nearer back at 15 m. long, i.e. 14.7 m. with a pretty wide dorsal view too and 32.5-33 cm scaled to 1:35 is more close to 12 m. than 14-15 m. when measured in a straight line. Aymen here seems to be more scaled off Sereno's model from a year ago and is based off that model's proportions and build which is cool, but also quite dated and do we really want to talk about Spinosaurus proportions and anatomy through different skeletal reconstructions? Lol So it's quite difficult to pin down especially when comparing it to the older Essien because scaling up Essien to Aymen's size, Aymen is quite skinny and longer in proportion. I still would have preferred a more GR toys/Haolonggood sized Spino as a true 1:35 scale figure but I'm not saying this figure is bad at all. It's probably just not for me along with the asking price and Rebor's Dio could be the one to scratch that itch. Plus, Dio would more than likely go much better with Kiss than Aymen would so yeah. Plus I did say "Could", I'm just speculating based off the lore PNSO used but I do agree that it's time for PNSO to take a break on theropods. I guess until Ibrahim comes back in the future with another paper.
@@Bota7120 I mean, if they made a larger Rex, why not a larger Spino that's less Sereno and more Ibrahim with the shorter(in proportion)and thicker paddle tail with the more robust barrel chest like the one from the Chicago Field Museum? The model itself seems to be 1:35 scale, but it's based off a "smaller" adult individual that's like 15% bigger than the neotype and estimates seem to have this individual more scaled at 12-13 m. and not really MSNM-v4047 or NHMUK-R16421.
@@carnoraptor79 because the rex is based off Sue, which is one of the largest tyrannosaurus specimens. Meanwhile for spino it is a lot less clear cut. Ibrahim is currently on another expedition for spino fossils, i'd rather have pnso wait until that study is published before they make another spinosaurus model. Maybe this expedition will be another breakthrough, like the tail from a few years ago
@@Bota7120 Exactly and Aymen here is just slightly if not the same length as Cameron (i.e. Sue) which is around 12-ish m. and not really 14-15 m. as an 'adult' Spino should be. Remember that the 2.1 ft. femur(which is what Aymen is scaled off of) is literally based of FSAC-KK-11888. So the larger length is pretty much just because of an overstretched tail.
I really love the detail and paintscheme of this Spinosaurus figure. However, I'm a bit disappointed and confused by the small hindlimbs/legs and their minor musculature... were they really like that? Doesn't seem to be a realistic pose either, even in case of just rearing for a short time, with such a long narrow body and large spine. I'm curious to see part 2!
Well, that's still up for debate as per everything regarding Spinosaurus, but to answer your question, the legs were indeed that short as Mark Witton's study concluded Spino's caudofemoralis and fourth trochanter were in proportion to the rest of its body which meant it can walk just as easily and fluently as other large theropods. Though I do agree the musculature of the overall leg on this model is a little bit too shrinkwrapped. Though I think Rebor has an upcoming accurate Spino in the works that seems to be better proportioned than this one.
@@carnoraptor79 Thank you very much for your comment! Glad to read your findings based on scientific research. Oh I hope you're right about REBOR planning to release a Spinosaurus soon. It's been a bit quiet from their side recently, concerning accurate dinosaur models.
Sorry for the late reply, but I think @carnoraptor79 has given you the gist of the idea behind this interpretation. Let's wait to see what the years ahead bring us! 😁
I’ve heard about that on Andy’s Dinosaur review. I’m gonna have to try to save up some money for another time & then I’ll get one of those PNSO Dinosaur Figures. Especially this new Spinosaurus someday.
It looks really good and is as it seems real 1/35. It´s bipedal in this pose ( when I imagine it stands in the water or just for a moment to look up) I mean the legs are not for walking a marthon.^^ For me with this proportions it looks very very aquatic and very specialized for really specific prey (fish and turtles or ancient spaghetti). This dude has certainly driven all sorts of smaller theropods out of its territory and rivaled the largest crocodiles. But he was certainly not a land fighter or hunter. And if we take the example of crocodiles in the Deinosuchus weight class...and how Nile or saltwater crocodiles are built and hunt. They snap with incredible bite force (different skull shape) and do the death roll... So and if you now look at the muscle attachments on the skull of a large crocodile and the skull of Spinosaurus...then it does NOT have a comparable bite force (unless someone uses the fanboy magic) Even with his physique as shown here, he couldn't even begin to hunt like that. Just very, very specific in a prey area, like some birds today. My opinion - best regards
Hmm, that's pretty ironic because I'm very certain the Spino model here is heavily based off Sereno's paper titled "Spinosaurus is not an aquatic dinosaur" which is basically a study that justifies Spinosaurus being a more adept terrestrial hunter than it is aquatic.
O-k.... But maybe it's just a phase like the phase when experts said that triceratops horns where not for fight an only for disolay^^ Because all the body plan...and this giant tail...tells the absolut opposite^^ It's like you look at a elephant skeleton...and say: yes this thing could fly - I am an expert ;) PS: And if we look at THIS model and the legs in proportion to the rest ...and the (swim) tail... ...for THIS model it makes no sens. Short walks ok. Only on land with this paddle tail...why?! EXPERT! BECAUSE! ( for now)
@@carnoraptor79 Ok I hope you mean *the bipedal option* ironic when seeing an obvious quadrupedal. Just concering this specific figure. It´s a quadrupedal spino who is able to walk a bit on 2 legs or stand (in shallow water) ...that´s what my eyes/brain tell me when i see this figure. The spino is still an unfinished construct and PNSO is happy that they can rebuild it every year and sell it new - nice^^ Not that it will be the same discussionas with the Megalodon fan who didn't want it to be the case that the biggest teeth probably come from females... because in sharks (especially great whites) the females are bigger. Then there was the argument - because in the animal kingdom the males are usually bigger and he thinks that's better. Um, nice, but the megalodon was just a shark and here that is not the case ^^
Like with all things Spino, no one has a definitive answer. But I like to read all the differing views anyway to see if I can get some new insight, and ultimately we can form our own opinions. That is the wonderful thing about these marvellous animals: plenty of room for imagination and speculation!
Yikes I forgot about that completely! Sorry mate! Yes, that would have been an obvious one to do a comparison with, but with so many other theropods to parade, it feel through the cracks of my memory 😥😪
@@The_PokeSaurus the quadrupedal smaller one. The one with base looked pretty horrendous imo, so i kinda forgot it existed lol. But even that one i wasnt stoked by the size. Way too big
I would've been more happy with at least half lips and a bit more bulk in the tail but I'm a sucker for spinos so I'm definitely adding this one to my list!
Yes I have. Unfortunately I'm generally not a fan of the JP aesthetic. And for the price of one of Prime 1's JP statues, I would rather buy one of their Transformers! 😁
The issue likes in subsequent runs when the paint apps get poorer and poorer. I don't think the color quality of your new figure deteriorates unless you put it in the sun. The other thing is, if you are in the West, it will depend on who you are getting it from. For example, if you got from Dan's Dinosaurs, he would have a clearer idea than some other middleman shipper like Amazon. Perhaps Lanatimshop would know as well. Another idea is, go on one of the West-based Internet forums and ask if anyone has recently bought this, and get their feedback. There should be plenty of people who buy from time to time, and I am sure they would be able to give you their experiences.
Check out Wonder Artistic Models. Otherwise, 1:35 figures are quite easy to get. Just google for them and you should get a lot of hits. It's the other scales that are tricky!
The spino skull is just the bony core. There is actually quite a bit of freedom with how artists can depict the overlying keratin (See Mark Witton's article on his blog)
Ugh. I’m not a huge Spinosaurus fan so I was going to pass on this one. But it just looks so damn good. I may need to reconsider. I’ll wait for your part 2 to decide.
actually, mine does and its very stable. It seems there is slight difference in color and leg position of each model. My new spino will never fall foward and the back of the tail forms a perfect third leg.
Juste une petite chose spinosaurus est estimé à 14.5 m ce qui fait que le modèle et a l’échelle 1/45 environ même si je pense que sertin individus aurait facilement atteint une taille de 15.5 m de longueur
I tend not to look at extremes of optimism, but more an average based on consensus from a number of different authorities. I think it's more meaningful. Of course statistically speaking, there will always be outliers on either end.
Apparently spino got downsized from 14 metres to around 10-11 metres, someone I know is a paleontologist and she was at a conference a few months ago debating it
That's pretty ironic because the neotype for Spinosaurus is estimated to be 10-11 m. long, but was confirmed to be a young sub-adult. Not close to being full sized lol
@danielmcgillivray203 I'm sure the actual study will come out soon and I'll read all about it then! This is really a most interesting dinosaurs on all fronts!
You do an incredible job with these reviews.
That means a lot coming from you, Clint! Thank you! 😀
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This figure is gorgeous! I do have a question though. How do you find the papers you use for the science aspects of these videos? I find that I'm terrible at resource-gathering.
Most likely google scholar and the references on Wikipedia. And if he is on a univerity, they often have extra search maschines and databanks for papers and literature.
@@combat-greyhound565 makes sense, I’ve tried that too. Guess I gotta be more thorough and patient
Good question! For a start, I suggest you visit the dinosaur's entry in Wikipedia. Then as you read something interesting, look up the indexed references. I highly recommend this because quite a number of times now, I have read the original article and found the Wikipedia information wrong. In some instances, the Wiki entry draws the very opposite conclusion to that reported in the original paper.
That aside, I also follow blogs of serious paleontologists and experts, such as Scott Hartman's skeletaldrawing(dot)com, SVPOW, and Mark Witton. You'll find interesting digestible articles. Finally, I have favourite artists on DeviantArt and when they reconstruct a skeletal, they list references they have used. Look those up as well.
By the way, nice user name! If PNSO ever releases an Ichthyovenator, I am sure they will have to to meet your exacting standards! 😁
@@DinosDragons That is so helpful thanks! I do paleoart and I feel the research behind it can be lacking at times and I get corrected on obvious mistakes and proportional errors by comments at times. so this is highly appreciated! And yes, an Ichthyovenator from PNSO to exceed the CollectA would be fantastic.
Now this... THIS is the Spinosaurus I've been waiting for. Beyond fantastic.
The wonders of the wild one is good too but that series is overpriced imo. Nanmu makes some as well but they might not be anatomically correct with the latest research.
@@Ergeniznanmu makes jurassic park monsters, not real animals
@@Bota7120 Nanmu makes both. They also made King Kong stuff. I have their different series and the Jurassic Park stuff is not what I am referring to.
@@Ergeniz like what? I have only seem jurassic park stuff from them
@@Bota7120 Dude go look at their catalogue. Sadly, YT doesn't allow links. But they have a line up separate from their JP models. They have a 'Rexy' model from JP for example but then they have the more realistic T-Rex as well.
Personally, I’d imagine Spinosaurus having lips similar to that of a river dolphin. Where the front of the mouth is exposed, but the posterior teeth are covered by soft tissue. Regardless, this is another fantastic addition to PNSO’s lineup.
We taking Amazon river Dolphin or South Asian?
It's always nice to have room for speculation! And it's nice to hear the educated opinion of you guys who know a lot more about theropods than I! 🤣
Amazing Spinosaurus! Definitely will buy this! I dont mind the lipless looks on Spinos. That detail indeed is amazing!! And Im so happy it's in 1/35 scale!
To actually have it finally in model form from PNSO is an unreal feeling! And comparing it to the T Rex, is a real pleasure! That detail is just sweet! PNSO really made us wait for this one, but it was worth it!😁
The detail on PNSO’s models are gorgeous, and I’m so glad they released a new iteration of my favourite dinosaur!
This is definitely one for the record books!
if they make a version with lips i'll buy it. everybody wants to make spinosaurus look like a crocodile even though they're not even closely related.
It is called convergent evolution. Spinosaurids are the only group of theropods that present a strong case for liplessness, especially spinosaurus itself
@kyleholder3785
I think no one is saying they are related. But the convergence resulting in so many similar characteristics does make one wonder how far this convergent evolution went.
La figura es realmente increíble, es impresionante el nivel de detalle que tienen las escamas de la piel: tan diversas y finas al mismo tiempo, es una locura! Igual me había percatado de esos cambios en la vela últimamente, he visto a algunos paleoartistas inclinándose a darle una forma más uniforme a la vela del Spinosaurus 😮
¡Lo siento por mi respuesta tardía! Sí, efectivamente, este es un modelo increíble.
Después supe que esto se basa en la reconstrucción de Sereno. Al menos, la vela lo es. ¡Aunque todavía estoy confundido en cuanto a la inmersión en la base de la cola! Quizás no entiendo completamente el documento de 2022.
I might just get this figure ngl and I hope you have a great day, this review was just absolutely incredible
Can't wait for part 2
Part is out! Hopefully it gives you an idea how it might look next to some of your other theropods! Have a good year ahead!
Thank u! I wait this review for a long time
You are most welcome! I think you will agree that this model is fantastic! 😁
Once again appreciating how moderate and objective your reviews are. When you hype up a model to this extent, I know beyond all doubt it is worthy of it. While I understand why they deviated from the conventional silhouette, the river dragon aesthetic with the jagged sail and large tail fins is so pleasing that I can't help but feel a little sad the science has started moving on from it. Either way, it was an instant order for me.
Thank you Zac! I do try to be professional, but this one absolutely blew away any expectations I had 😀😀. The _exquisite detail_ on a 'boring' part like the torso, and the incredible smörgåsbord of visual detail and variety everywhere is insane. I would never have believed to see something like this on a mass produced model. I have even seen high end resin kits that don't have this kind of detail! I am sure you will see exactly what I mean when yours arrives. No amount of photo or video can do this model justice!
El nivel de detalle bien se merece ser considerado un producto de la serie museo. Ojalá vuelvan a hacer todos su viejos modelos con su actual nivel de detalle, sería una muy buena forma de actualizar su catálogo sin arriesgarse a meterse en animales nuevos. Grandioso vídeo, amigo ☺🙏🏼
¡Noto que el último Edmontosaurus tampoco es un modelo Museum Line! Creo que es posible que PNSO se dé cuenta de que el alto coste del envío adicional del material escrito que muchos coleccionistas occidentales no quieren está perjudicando las ventas.
Creo que a la mayoría de los coleccionistas no les importarían los dinosaurios de Museum Line si realmente tuvieran buenos extras como las bases del pasado? 🤔
@@DinosDragons Coincido totalmente. Es mejor añadir más elementos útiles tipo las bases, que no tanto póster o libritos con texto que no quiere casi nadie 🤷🏻♂️
Finally, the courier arrived and I got my new Spino from PNSO. My spino is very stable and will not fall forward due to the tail behaving like a stable third leg. The coloration is slightly better than the one shown in this video. I noticed that this video's spino has painting error around the arm which mine fortunately does not have. However, I notice a slight vertical indentation right at the end of the tail which is unfortunate. Overall, its a really good buy even for non- spino fan. I am surprised at how much lighter the model is compared to cameron. The paint job is great but unfortunately it is too similar to the PNSO new yangchuanosaurus magnus.
You have very sharp eyes! And yes, in-hand always looks better. Lighting makes a difference, plus my camera simply doesn't have a high enough HDR to capture all the subtleties. I am glad that your Spino's arm is better painted than mine! 👍👍
Hot damn how u got it this fast , great review
Because he probably live in China. I am suppose to get mine delivered this morning...the courier is late again.
Thank you! I am sure you have received yours by now! 😁
2:33 il iest important de noter que les jambes du spinosaurus de pnso 2023 sont trop petites car elle mesure 1.8 - 2 m alors qu’elle devrait actuellement mesuré 2.5 - 2.6 m de hauteur se qui est plus logique même si personnellement un spécimens de spinosaurus de 14 m de longueur devrait avoir des jambes qui mesure entre 3.0 - 3.5 m logiquement.
There are so many interpretations for such a fragmentary creature, which may or may not be chimera, and which depending on the scaling system used, give so many possible measures that it all is really quite arbitrary, and there is no one definitive measure. I recently saw a very spirited argument based on MSMN V4047, and I think it's ridiculous since even if we knew every single bone in Spinosaurus anatomy, ever individual doesn't scale much _exactly_ in proportions. Think about the people you know who have bigger hands on a shorter body than you, or some other measure.
its my birthday on the 6th of january and this guy is all i want straight up, ive already got the other megatheropods and essian but i want a acurate spino thats somwhat to scale with the others
Well it's fortunate that you say "somewhat to scale" because there will always be some contention as to what was how long, heavy, etc! 🤣 Happy Birthday in advance!
@@DinosDragons thankyou thankyou, Essien is just so small compared to Wilson,fergus,Lucas ect
I just couldn't imagine an animal like this having "lips" anyways.. that notch in the upper jaw obviously served a purpose. Would covering it up with immobile "lips" really make sense? I think the lip obsession among figure collectors and fans of paleoart in particular has gone a bit overboard and often comes down to an aesthetic preference. Kind of like the feather obsession from 6 or so years ago.
This is the only theropod I don't see having lips, same with bary ect.
None of the researchers who have published articles and studies on this species (Ibrahim, Paul C. Sereno, etc.), have talked about the possibility that this particular theropod had lips, since the similarity and convergence with the structure of the jaw of crocodilians makes this hypothesis very unlikely
@@PondScummer Ignoring the fact that they are not related species, it is very difficult to ignore that there is some similarity of the general morphology of the jaw of Spinosaurus (with a narrow snout and adapted to catch fish) with the present-day Indian Gharial, which as we know is a crocodilian specialized in catching fish
@Overcookedsoul
Wow I see some really intelligent comments here, and I think there's little to add. I have to say that lips is an area where it will be very hard to actually get a definitive response, and for me that's what the fun of paelontology is partly about. Following the twists and turns of the controversies that will always rear up from time to time. I would say that feathers on huge theropods never ever made sense to me, and I am glad that that phase at least for now, is over!
Lipped vs non lipped also tends to ignore the potential of a partially lipped condition (where the front teeth are exposed but the back are not, like the Ganges river dolphin). This extent also could have varied among spinosaurids (I believe other theropods were lipped). As is often the case, the debate has turned it into an “all or nothing” and both sides of that coin have turned it into an aesthetic preference.
I think this is based on the skeletal from the 2022 Sereno et al. paper titled "Spinosaurus is not an aguatic dinosaur", which is why the tail lacks the dip at it's base, as well as why the tail is less broad than in Ibrahim et al. 2020.
That also explains why the Spino is "smaller" than usual because Sereno's Spino was scaled quite small at 13.53 m. long as they used the destroyed holotype as a reference and not the neotype. But from whence it came, the Sereno model is outdated(yet again) as well because of other reconstructive issues.
@@carnoraptor79 I thought it was 14 m. Also, do you say it's outdated because there were other interpretations made later (Ivan, Dan Folkes, Henrique Paes/randomdinos) or because of other reasons?
@@Supiragon1998 The Sereno paper listed that their Spino was scaled to 13.53 m. long with a body mass of around 8 metric tons, but that is also dependant on the density applied as they used avian bird density which isn't accurate and hence made the model fail all the buoyancy tests.
What I meant about "outdated" is how the Sereno model itself is outdated because he or at least the researchers in question got quite alot of errors in the anatomy and apparently, have reused some 2014 scans.
Yes IK those reconstructions, but tbf, they're all based off speculation and also based off Sereno's paper and funnily enough, all vary from size, to density, to proportions and etc. So it's really just a "choose your favorite" and roll with it sort of thing for now because Ibrahim is still quite silent atm and he's the one in possession of the bones. So yah lol
@Supiragon1998
Sorry for the late reply! yes I've since become aware of the 3D render, but the 2022 Sereno paper in Fig 1 and 2 still accounts for spinous processes in the tail base.
I wasn't expecting to like this figure as much as I now do, after watching the review. The variation in scales is spectacular, and the colours really bring them out very well.
Aymen would look very nice next to my PNSO Suchomimus too - looking forward to the next video with comparisons, please include Thabo if you can @DinosDragons! 😅
I hope that the comparison met your expectations! 😁
I seriously hope that this is the final version of this ever-evolving dinosaur. Who knows! Maybe it had wings. Haha... All jokes aside, this figure looks absolutely stunning. The most perfect Spinosaurus, I'd say. I know it's hard to satisfy people, but I hope they will be satisfied with this beauty. Thank you so much for the amazing review, my dear sir. You are the best.🖤
Haha I think not my friend! All it takes is for just one more fossil find for the house of cards to come crashing down. Ibrahim et al themselves seem to have planned a slow trickle of information out, and Spinosaurus is a gift that seems to keep on giving. We'll see!
PS: I added some addenda in my description box for more context.
Excellent review as always, I think Pnso has based this model on the latest skeletal reconstruction by scanning and 3D model published by Paul.C. Sereno and other collaborators in their 2022 article, which differs from Ibrahim et al´s. (2014) model, in this article you can see the different interpretation in the shape of the dorsal sail, shortening of the torso, etc
"Spinosaurus is not an acuatic dinosaur" by Paul C. Sereno and others Nov.2022
Thank you! Unfortunately I did not see that scan until after this video was done. I'm pretty poor on knowledge theropod wise. However I'm curious, this model is not actually in the Sereno et al 2022 paper. Certainly the one i the actual paper has accounted for the neural spines in the base of the tail. Was it in supplementary material?
@@DinosDragons I was referring to the paper "Spinosaurus is not an aquatic dinosaur" Paul C Sereno, Nathan MyhrvoldDonald ,M Henderson, Frank E Fish ,Daniel Vidal, Stephanie L Baumgart ,Tyler M Keillor ,Kiersten K Formoso ,Lauren L Conroy (Nov. 2022).... , I don't know if you've read it in full, diagrams appear with the new sail shape as well as other characteristics
I dont know why, but if they make another abelisaurid, I kind of want a thanos.
You're a really positive person my friend! 😁 Thanos is in my mind is a greater example of irrational exuberance than even my previous favourite example the Mecuriceratops. I really hope that if PNSO does another abelisaurid, they redo their Carnotaurus with their current level of ability.
IDK, I'm not really sold on Aymen here because for one, it's quite expensive because it's a Museum Figure and from what I heard from other friends of mine who got Aymen in hand, the paint apparently chips and flakes off quite easily. So I'm not too sure if I'm willing to risk it when Rebor has "Dio" in the works which would probably be cheaper probably have more value because it would be just an overall larger and beefier figure like their Rex and upcoming Giga.
Also Fun Fact: PNSO themselves in their marketing confirmed Aymen is Essien's older brother and is the "herd's former leader".
So PNSO could do a surprising stunt and release another larger Spino like perhaps Aymen and Essien's Dad or Mom? Would be interesting since they kinda did that with Cameron, Wilson, Andrea and Logan.
A larger spino would be completely unneccesary. This one is already 14 meters long, which is also the new estimate for spino. They need to move on from theropods now
@@Bota7120 It just doesn't seem right to me because Randomdinos' 2023 estimate has Spino nearer back at 15 m. long, i.e. 14.7 m. with a pretty wide dorsal view too and 32.5-33 cm scaled to 1:35 is more close to 12 m. than 14-15 m. when measured in a straight line. Aymen here seems to be more scaled off Sereno's model from a year ago and is based off that model's proportions and build which is cool, but also quite dated and do we really want to talk about Spinosaurus proportions and anatomy through different skeletal reconstructions? Lol
So it's quite difficult to pin down especially when comparing it to the older Essien because scaling up Essien to Aymen's size, Aymen is quite skinny and longer in proportion. I still would have preferred a more GR toys/Haolonggood sized Spino as a true 1:35 scale figure but I'm not saying this figure is bad at all. It's probably just not for me along with the asking price and Rebor's Dio could be the one to scratch that itch. Plus, Dio would more than likely go much better with Kiss than Aymen would so yeah.
Plus I did say "Could", I'm just speculating based off the lore PNSO used but I do agree that it's time for PNSO to take a break on theropods. I guess until Ibrahim comes back in the future with another paper.
@@Bota7120 I mean, if they made a larger Rex, why not a larger Spino that's less Sereno and more Ibrahim with the shorter(in proportion)and thicker paddle tail with the more robust barrel chest like the one from the Chicago Field Museum?
The model itself seems to be 1:35 scale, but it's based off a "smaller" adult individual that's like 15% bigger than the neotype and estimates seem to have this individual more scaled at 12-13 m. and not really MSNM-v4047 or NHMUK-R16421.
@@carnoraptor79 because the rex is based off Sue, which is one of the largest tyrannosaurus specimens. Meanwhile for spino it is a lot less clear cut. Ibrahim is currently on another expedition for spino fossils, i'd rather have pnso wait until that study is published before they make another spinosaurus model. Maybe this expedition will be another breakthrough, like the tail from a few years ago
@@Bota7120 Exactly and Aymen here is just slightly if not the same length as Cameron (i.e. Sue) which is around 12-ish m. and not really 14-15 m. as an 'adult' Spino should be.
Remember that the 2.1 ft. femur(which is what Aymen is scaled off of) is literally based of FSAC-KK-11888. So the larger length is pretty much just because of an overstretched tail.
Part 2!!! Part 2!!! Part 2!!! Part 2!!!
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 😁
과학적인 고증에 맞는 멋진 스피노사우루스! 나도 하나 주문했지
You are definitely going to love this one! Especially that detail!😁
oh…bro!this video so good!
Thank you very much! 😁😁
It'd be perfect if it had lips, great model altogether however
Well lips will always be a contentious and controversial issue. Though not quite as much as the same argument in T Rex! 🤣
I'm so getting this!!!!
You are not going to regret it!
I really love the detail and paintscheme of this Spinosaurus figure. However, I'm a bit disappointed and confused by the small hindlimbs/legs and their minor musculature... were they really like that? Doesn't seem to be a realistic pose either, even in case of just rearing for a short time, with such a long narrow body and large spine. I'm curious to see part 2!
Well, that's still up for debate as per everything regarding Spinosaurus, but to answer your question, the legs were indeed that short as Mark Witton's study concluded Spino's caudofemoralis and fourth trochanter were in proportion to the rest of its body which meant it can walk just as easily and fluently as other large theropods. Though I do agree the musculature of the overall leg on this model is a little bit too shrinkwrapped. Though I think Rebor has an upcoming accurate Spino in the works that seems to be better proportioned than this one.
@@carnoraptor79 Thank you very much for your comment! Glad to read your findings based on scientific research. Oh I hope you're right about REBOR planning to release a Spinosaurus soon. It's been a bit quiet from their side recently, concerning accurate dinosaur models.
Sorry for the late reply, but I think @carnoraptor79 has given you the gist of the idea behind this interpretation. Let's wait to see what the years ahead bring us! 😁
I’ve heard about that on Andy’s Dinosaur review. I’m gonna have to try to save up some money for another time & then I’ll get one of those PNSO Dinosaur Figures. Especially this new Spinosaurus someday.
The PNSO figures tend to be pretty cheap though, especially compared to W-dragon and Nanmu.
@dylangelzeiler946
Good day mate, to which point were you referring?
@@DinosDragons Andy’s Dinosaur Review showed a news video on the upcoming figures just a couple days ago. That’s how I knew about this same thing.
It looks really good and is as it seems real 1/35.
It´s bipedal in this pose ( when I imagine it stands in the water or just for a moment to look up)
I mean the legs are not for walking a marthon.^^
For me with this proportions it looks very very aquatic and very specialized for really specific prey (fish and turtles or ancient spaghetti).
This dude has certainly driven all sorts of smaller theropods out of its territory and rivaled the largest crocodiles.
But he was certainly not a land fighter or hunter.
And if we take the example of crocodiles in the Deinosuchus weight class...and how Nile or saltwater crocodiles are built and hunt.
They snap with incredible bite force (different skull shape) and do the death roll...
So and if you now look at the muscle attachments on the skull of a large crocodile and the skull of Spinosaurus...then it does NOT have a comparable bite force (unless someone uses the fanboy magic)
Even with his physique as shown here, he couldn't even begin to hunt like that.
Just very, very specific in a prey area, like some birds today.
My opinion - best regards
Hmm, that's pretty ironic because I'm very certain the Spino model here is heavily based off Sereno's paper titled "Spinosaurus is not an aquatic dinosaur" which is basically a study that justifies Spinosaurus being a more adept terrestrial hunter than it is aquatic.
O-k....
But maybe it's just a phase like the phase when experts said that triceratops horns where not for fight an only for disolay^^
Because all the body plan...and this giant tail...tells the absolut opposite^^
It's like you look at a elephant skeleton...and say: yes this thing could fly - I am an expert ;)
PS: And if we look at THIS model and the legs in proportion to the rest ...and the (swim) tail...
...for THIS model it makes no sens.
Short walks ok.
Only on land with this paddle tail...why?!
EXPERT! BECAUSE! ( for now)
@@TITANSofTheEARTH Well, that's why I said it is ironic.
@@carnoraptor79 Ok I hope you mean *the bipedal option* ironic when seeing an obvious quadrupedal. Just concering this specific figure.
It´s a quadrupedal spino who is able to walk a bit on 2 legs or stand (in shallow water) ...that´s what my eyes/brain tell me when i see this figure.
The spino is still an unfinished construct and PNSO is happy that they can rebuild it every year and sell it new - nice^^
Not that it will be the same discussionas with the Megalodon fan who didn't want it to be the case that the biggest teeth probably come from females... because in sharks (especially great whites) the females are bigger.
Then there was the argument - because in the animal kingdom the males are usually bigger and he thinks that's better.
Um, nice, but the megalodon was just a shark and here that is not the case ^^
Like with all things Spino, no one has a definitive answer. But I like to read all the differing views anyway to see if I can get some new insight, and ultimately we can form our own opinions. That is the wonderful thing about these marvellous animals: plenty of room for imagination and speculation!
Very informative review and the Spinosaurus looks amazing!, can you do a comparison with rebor's Sarcosuchus?
Yikes I forgot about that completely! Sorry mate! Yes, that would have been an obvious one to do a comparison with, but with so many other theropods to parade, it feel through the cracks of my memory 😥😪
I never got PNSO's original Spinosaurus figure because I really don't like the head on it. This one does not have that issue.
Same, the size was also a massive let down
@@Bota7120 Wait are you talking about the one with a base or not?
@@The_PokeSaurus the quadrupedal smaller one. The one with base looked pretty horrendous imo, so i kinda forgot it existed lol. But even that one i wasnt stoked by the size. Way too big
@The_PokeSaurus
This one definitely does not have the faults of its predecessors! The detail alone is to die for 😀
I would've been more happy with at least half lips and a bit more bulk in the tail but I'm a sucker for spinos so I'm definitely adding this one to my list!
Well if it's any consolation, if there is _one_ theropod group that _maaaaaybe_ didn't have lips, it would be the spinos! 😁
Hace you seen the prime 1 studio Spinosaur from JP 3?
Yes I have. Unfortunately I'm generally not a fan of the JP aesthetic. And for the price of one of Prime 1's JP statues, I would rather buy one of their Transformers! 😁
Where did u order it from ?
Where did you buy it? Aliexpress or some retailer?
I have my own supplier.
nice video. i've seen some comments about color quality degrading over time. is it too late to get this?
The issue likes in subsequent runs when the paint apps get poorer and poorer. I don't think the color quality of your new figure deteriorates unless you put it in the sun. The other thing is, if you are in the West, it will depend on who you are getting it from.
For example, if you got from Dan's Dinosaurs, he would have a clearer idea than some other middleman shipper like Amazon. Perhaps Lanatimshop would know as well.
Another idea is, go on one of the West-based Internet forums and ask if anyone has recently bought this, and get their feedback. There should be plenty of people who buy from time to time, and I am sure they would be able to give you their experiences.
@@DinosDragons thanks!
I need it badly
Oh and can you do a comparison of the carchara or Cameron the rex
Like Cameron, Part 2 will be the comparison video I think
@user-mn2pi5pb4g
I am confident it's just around the corner for you! 😁
Does anyone know where to get 1:35 scale human figurines?
Check out Wonder Artistic Models. Otherwise, 1:35 figures are quite easy to get. Just google for them and you should get a lot of hits. It's the other scales that are tricky!
Wonder artistic models sells some
I think the head crest shape is most likely inaccurate as I have seen a real spino skull and it is slightly different.
The spino skull is just the bony core. There is actually quite a bit of freedom with how artists can depict the overlying keratin (See Mark Witton's article on his blog)
Ugh. I’m not a huge Spinosaurus fan so I was going to pass on this one. But it just looks so damn good. I may need to reconsider. I’ll wait for your part 2 to decide.
It's out. Hopefully it lends some perspective! 😁
Is it better than Papo Limited Edition Spinosaurus?
Way better
There is absolutely no comparison mate.
Papa’s spino is terrible
It's out!?!?!?!?!?
Where I can buy the humanoid model?
It's from Wonder Artistic Models! They even have a new set out with even more scales!
Is that 1/35th scale model human custom made?
No! It's from Wonderartisticmodels! 😁
Can I get a aymen for another beautiful figure🙏🏼
That's a most delightful statement! 😁😁👏
Not a good choice of the model's pose for stability; it's a pity they didn't make a support in the form of a tail.
actually, mine does and its very stable. It seems there is slight difference in color and leg position of each model. My new spino will never fall foward and the back of the tail forms a perfect third leg.
@zyzyuz
A lot depends on what position your tail happens to be resting in the box in. Nothing hot water treatment won't fix!
@@DinosDragons will that damage the paint?
Juste une petite chose spinosaurus est estimé à 14.5 m ce qui fait que le modèle et a l’échelle 1/45 environ même si je pense que sertin individus aurait facilement atteint une taille de 15.5 m de longueur
I tend not to look at extremes of optimism, but more an average based on consensus from a number of different authorities. I think it's more meaningful. Of course statistically speaking, there will always be outliers on either end.
Oui@@DinosDragons
Apparently spino got downsized from 14 metres to around 10-11 metres, someone I know is a paleontologist and she was at a conference a few months ago debating it
This model is based on the neotipe, a sub adult exemplar long 11m.
That's pretty ironic because the neotype for Spinosaurus is estimated to be 10-11 m. long, but was confirmed to be a young sub-adult. Not close to being full sized lol
@danielmcgillivray203
I'm sure the actual study will come out soon and I'll read all about it then! This is really a most interesting dinosaurs on all fronts!
Fisher Junctions
Sorry I don't understand the reference. 😅
Great figure, but the paint chipping off its claws and feet is a no-go for me. This is not the way it should be on a pricy figure like this.. 😅
It shouldn't be that expensive. This guy likely overpaid.
Unfortunately these things happen. But if you don't want it, congrats on saving money! 😁