"Football and the collapse of Yugoslavia" with Zvonimir Boban and Branko Milanovic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- in conversation with Simon Kuper.
In 1987 Zvonimir Boban was part of a brilliant Yugoslavian soccer team that won the World Youth Cup. The close-knit group of players included Croats and Serbs, Bosnians and Montenegrins. Pundits tipped Yugoslavia - the “Brazil of Europe” - to become one of the great football countries of the 1990s. But by 1991, a terrible war had broken out in Yugoslavia, and the country fell apart.
Zvonimir Boban and Branko Milanovic, in conversation with Financial Times columnist and football writer Simon Kuper, discuss their own memories of the collapse of Yugoslavia, how football can help us understand what happened, the conflicts but also the surprising bonds of friendship between the country’s ethnic groups, and how Croats and Serbs see each other today.
Zvonimir Boban was a youth world champion with Yugoslavia in 1987, won the Champions League with AC Milan in 1994, played for the Yugoslav national team, and finished third with Croatia at the World Cup of 1998. He has a history degree from the University of Zagreb.
Branko Milanovic, a Serbian-American, is one of the world’s leading economists, an expert on inequality at the City University of New York, creator of the famous “elephant curve” graph, and a passionate football fan.
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I met Zvonimir in 1994 in Sydney when Milan played Australia in a friendly. He was eating at an Italian Restuarant with the Team when he felt unwell and walked outside. Not knowing this i asked him for a photo, My background is Macedonian. He said give me a minute and 5 mins later came back and took the photo with me even though he didn't feel well
I'll never forget it. Fala Zvonimir you are a Legend
I met Boban in sydney at the same time…I have a Croatian background and he was a rude CANT
You mean ex FYROM??
I am Serbian but living abroad 22 yrs , from this distance I can say it is pity to lose the country ( at least from sports point of view ) .Great respect for Boban and his glorious years in AC Milan . Great talent and fantastic footballer .
One of the biggest tragedies in sport is that yugoslavia didnt play af euro 92 and the world cup. Yugoslavia would have won the 1994 world cup. Not just that they would have dominated all team sports
I am from Argentina and I totally agree. You won 1987 youth WC, lost 1990 on penalties to Argentina. In basketball world champions in 1990....you were destined to win it ALL
Hey don’t be sad croatia got 3rd at 98 World Cup :)
@@ci20bm that just shows you have serb blood you couldnt really finish the job
Well Croatia have finished 3td and 2nd at the world cup.
Serbia are flat out trying to qualify
@@bobbyjovi yeah but youbcouldnt finish it off. Could you. It just proves your serbian heritage.
Since I have seen the documentary "Last Yugoslavian football team" I started to be a big fan of their football may it be Serbia or Croatia or even Slovenia. At that time legends like Savicevic, Boban, Prosinecki, Mihajlovic, Mijatovic, Suker, Boksic. Creme de la creme. And basketball is superb too..
Best Number 10 I have ever seen 😍 ❤ 🙌. My idol Boban4ever
ZVONE Pravda I LEGENDA od Makedonec poshtovajne respect od dalecna Australia zauvek bracha.
Spoken like a true champion zvonimir
Great discussion
The truth is you could not say shit back in the day of Yugoslavia!
You had to carry around a ID either serb Croat or Muslim!
My grand father went to jail for singing one Croatia song for almost 10 years!
The photo ID you carried around with serb dominating everything.
Boban was correct the old police was army police anything said jail! Pro Serbia!
If you look at the break up we declared independence to jugoslavia. We mentioned Serbs Croats and Muslims free. Yet the Yugoslav army stole arms from Slovenia through Croatia then back to Belgrade!
Once they got back to Belgrade we’ll the serb flags went up and not jugoslavian flag!
It was false the jugo system! Communist!
Amen brate. NDH zauvijek
Very much enjoyed the conversation and thank you for bringing Zvone and Branko together for us. The questions were quite good, the answers - shall we say diplomatic (like when Branko couldn't remember who he rooted for back in 1998 ;-) And yes, most people in former Yugoslavia are still quite fond of one another despite all the scars. Perhaps like an old couple, divorced 30 years ago, each having their own second (or third) family now.
For hobby historians, Simon included, Zvone tried to highlight (twice) that there was in fact the whole other dimension to the whole conflict and that was the one of a Communist regime vs Democracy. Ethnic tensions were obviously there but for many that was not the main reason for the rebellion.
Yugoslavia existed when they are playing on world cup France 98
What?
The Yugoslavia you mean is not the same as the Yugoslavia which is mentioned in the video.
The Yugoslavia in the video is the earlier Yugoslavia which was contained 6 countries: Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Slovenia, North Macedonia, and Bosnia Herzegovina.
While the Yugoslavia you mean is the later Yugoslavia which was contained 2 countries only: Serbia and Montenegro
That wasn't Yugoslavia, that was Serbia and Montenegro pretending to still be Yugoslavia.
That was Serbia under the title “Yugoslavia”. They even from judicial point of view are different states. From 1992 up to 2003 that was the Federal republic of Yugoslavia
A rump Yugoslavia
he was a good player, but he is a great nationalist, almost a fascist, and everyone knows that in the former Yugoslavia. he will never tell the truth that the Serbs and Belgrade saved him when he attacked a policeman in Zagreb, otherwise he would have ended up in court and in prison.
...he attacked a serbian policeman in Zagreb/Croatia, if he would ended in court in Zagreb the judge would be a serbian judge and in prison the guard would be aswell a serbian guard....that's why he is a croatian nationalist
@@Pascal-ce2oe Hmm. The policeman was not a Serb but a Bosnian from Srebrenica. Boban went to Italy via Belgrade. Miljanic was saved by a Serb by nationality. You are not well informed, I watched your Yugoslav documentaries about that league. greetings from the Netherlands
needed this for school. So clutch!
They did came as TOO diplomatic, just as it was mentioned.
No one sad things that should be said.
Scars certainly did remained, but thats all nothing, ppl live with scars. Main problem is LOOK on that shit that happened. We ddnt resolved NOTHING. We see the history COMPLETELY different (talking about that recent history, but also some things from waaay before) and things CANT be resolved in that way-
I agree with Boban puting the subject aside was good for him and lets say Mihajlović remain friends, but thats NOT the example ppl should follow. At all.
The truth is ONE, and we cant have several truths. And untill we all agree on what happened we will never be good neighbours.
and what happened, what is the TRUTH?
I guess thats because they both are very intelluctuals , and they do both think very globally. during his football time media had created image oas ultra nationalistic for boban however he was not ultra at all he explaines his mind and ideal sback then on this interview very clearly so simon kuper should have invited much radical figures like suker and perheps mihalovic (not sure with this one)
@@kafici Šukers only radical characteristic is that hes radically stupid.
You cant hold interview with him on anything where his answers cant be "we fought hard", "today everybody plays football" etc. Even in croatian, let alone english.
@@igorsvacic217 well said though I was going to point out that , suker vs someone very ''chetnik serbian'' debate would create a lot hot tension but they would never explain their issues in english as well as boban and mr. milankovic so in the and many would have said about former yugoslavia and breaking up for me that was a ruining of dreamy state and most beautifull country of europe and defineatly many outsiders woud rise a question of ''why but ı can very much understand now days that my counrty also kind of smiliar expreince of dividing in recent 10 years for such a nonsense reasons...
@@kafici Šuker aint nationalistic at all. Not a good counterpart to Mihailović. As I sad, ONLY thing where Šuker is extreme, its his stupidity. Perhaps Joe Šimunić would be an example you are searching for from croatian side.
About ex Yugoslavia, in my view, it was anything but "dreamy". It was huge mistake, for everybody included.
That doesent mean it didnt have also good things ofc.
If you ask me, being socialist state, hence ppl relations being how they should be, ppl valueing honour, friendship and honesty more than money and wealth is number one thing that was good in that country. Ppl relations, thats it.
But thats not thanks to Yugoslavia, its thanks to socialism/communism.