finally a video that looks into this and see does it really make a difference and the brands. To add to he mix look up perry parts bump stops. For size comparisont they look same as stock but the way they are made are differnt. There videos of compression and all let mek now your thougths.
I run without out a front swaybar on my PRO. The Sumo bump stop took all the dangerous sway on the street out so i can run without out it with confidence.
@@AllTerrainFamily I honestly haven't noticed any real lack of travel off road. I tend to seek out moderate trails. The front removal of the sway bar is a definite upgrade and I literally notice no more concerning sway since installing the Sumo's. Give it a try and let us know what you think. Thanks for the video.
Great vid Mike. It has always surprised me that you don't have more exposure. I like how you explain the feel of these products in different situations that are most relevant to the everyday user. Love the on vehicle in-use shots as well. Just an FYI, 4wheel Parts is closed on Sundays, thus their rti ramp is, um, free to use when dialing in suspension numbers. Great content. Keep it up.
I can't speak to a lifted application, but I loved the Sumo springs on the stock "TRD Off Road" suspension. The stock tacoma is pretty softly sprung, it doesn't take much weight in the back (200 - 300 lbs) to bottom out the suspension on highway dips at speed. The sumo's really soften the hit and slow down the compression. I recently replaced my '17 with a '23 and will be installing the Sumo's again in the coming weeks. But I certainly understand your point that with the BP's, you're probably not seeing the same benefit as a stock suspension would.
I ran the 1000# sumosprings on my tsb springs for 8years. They did the job but I recently did a 3 leaf progressive add a leaf and changed to old man Emu shocks vs my old bilstein 5100 and removed the sumosprings. If I need more capacity I will go to the 500# sumospring. The 1000# set contacted all the time and in hindsight was very harsh. Much happier with the add a leaf. Fwiw
Hey Mike, so glad you love your SumoSprings! We really believe they are the best option out there for everyday use and when loaded up! Wow, what a great video! Love how in-depth you went on each stop and the advantages of each. Looking forward to following more of your journey!
I believe you are missing the point of a Timbren SES (Suspension Enhancement System). I just installed them on my 2023 Tundra, and if I am not mistaken, they are meant more for towing and hauling so you don't sag that much in the rear or in the front if you carry a plow. I don't think they are meant for off-roading. By design, they limit up travel because they have a stiffer progressive spring rate. The more they compress, the stiffer they become. They are meant to assist your factory suspension without needing airbags. Airbags will add extra weight to your vehicle, and you have to constantly get out when adjusting your airbags to make sure you have the correct ride height. Another function Timbren SES provides is the protection of your other suspension components, which can be negatively affected when bottoming out while carrying or hauling a load.
I have both timbren and sumo springs.. timbrens on my 1500 are definitely stiffer and handle more overload applications, 4 sumos on my 36' camper to help with the sway and bumpy ride. The stiffer they are they more they handle the load, sumo compresses a lot compared to timbren so it can be a softer ride. Both of these have made it possible to tow such a large camper with a 1500 but your truck will take a beating even with all this tech. 1500 just not made for the application i was putting it through , upgraded to a 2500..
Why did you go with yellow rather than blue? Do you carry real heavy loads? My payload on my TRD off-road manual transmission is 945lb 🦴 stock suspension cuz I don't go off-road a lot I put blue sumo springs on the rear I just want to get them on the front it feels much more hunkered down when I go over large bumps it used to bounce all around before there's only about 1/2" between the spring & the frame rail so I must be using them quite a bit.
To bad you didn't have some Duro Bumps to test out, I have used the Wheelers Bump Stops, the Sumo Bump Stops and my favorite are the Duro Bumps so far, they seem to really help on full compression in both higher speed woops, hard pack, soft sand, crawling on the trails and when mall crawling those speed bumps.
The Timbren or Sumo are HELPER springs designed for load assist keep vehicle properly balanced under load. The factory bump stop is actually an overload stop. However a trade off is always made loading carrying anti sway proper balance or total flex of travel. Only the user can answer that to his needs. Honestly not complicated if your not running close to 75% payload/haul capacity they have no need to change as the loss in suspension travel is lost in off road. However if you tow/haul and rear has negative squat (rear end sits lower than front then they are needed to restore handling and heavy load comfort. So do you need them? Maybe or maybe not. If you don’t need but want to spend money anyway sure.
Hey timbren and sumo! Why not develop a stop almost half the size in height with some sort of a screw in top addition/option for easy install for towing and the sag issues? Give us the option of what ride quality we want. The biggest issue with these is the loss of Ride quality for everyday driving.. The only people really looking at these are those who want to tow without sag and then keep their ride quality when not towing but are stuck with these issues.
@@damonphalin6023 Ideally, a full leaf spring pack that is correctly rated for the weight you carry. Add a Leaf is the next best option. Sumo springs are an OK option if you don't go off road. But the add a leaf is about the same price, but a little harder to install.
Totally understandable. It takes people on average 230 years to learn a new system over units and the metric system is only 225 years old. Only 5 more years to go bro!
@@AllTerrainFamilyim loving this comment lmfao. Like it’s so hard to learn a new system. I’m from Germany but I learned the imperial system pretty quick after I moved here.
finally a video that looks into this and see does it really make a difference and the brands. To add to he mix look up perry parts bump stops. For size comparisont they look same as stock but the way they are made are differnt. There videos of compression and all let mek now your thougths.
I have Perry. And I’m replacing them with timbren because perrys suck.
I run without out a front swaybar on my PRO. The Sumo bump stop took all the dangerous sway on the street out so i can run without out it with confidence.
Hmm I wonder which is better. My gut says the sway bar is safer in road and the sumo springs limit travel off road. How do you like that off road?
@@AllTerrainFamily I honestly haven't noticed any real lack of travel off road. I tend to seek out moderate trails. The front removal of the sway bar is a definite upgrade and I literally notice no more concerning sway since installing the Sumo's. Give it a try and let us know what you think. Thanks for the video.
@@robertyoung8289 I need to experiment with swaybar removal. That sounds like it would complicate things nicely...
Great vid Mike. It has always surprised me that you don't have more exposure. I like how you explain the feel of these products in different situations that are most relevant to the everyday user. Love the on vehicle in-use shots as well. Just an FYI, 4wheel Parts is closed on Sundays, thus their rti ramp is, um, free to use when dialing in suspension numbers. Great content. Keep it up.
I can't speak to a lifted application, but I loved the Sumo springs on the stock "TRD Off Road" suspension. The stock tacoma is pretty softly sprung, it doesn't take much weight in the back (200 - 300 lbs) to bottom out the suspension on highway dips at speed. The sumo's really soften the hit and slow down the compression. I recently replaced my '17 with a '23 and will be installing the Sumo's again in the coming weeks. But I certainly understand your point that with the BP's, you're probably not seeing the same benefit as a stock suspension would.
Finally somone, i was thinking the same thig seems i'mg going to stay stock as much possible. Any thoughts on the bump stops brand perry Parts?
I ran the 1000# sumosprings on my tsb springs for 8years. They did the job but I recently did a 3 leaf progressive add a leaf and changed to old man Emu shocks vs my old bilstein 5100 and removed the sumosprings. If I need more capacity I will go to the 500# sumospring. The 1000# set contacted all the time and in hindsight was very harsh. Much happier with the add a leaf. Fwiw
I agree that adding actual spring is the way to go. These are ok as a temporary or occasional use solution.
Hey Mike, so glad you love your SumoSprings! We really believe they are the best option out there for everyday use and when loaded up!
Wow, what a great video! Love how in-depth you went on each stop and the advantages of each. Looking forward to following more of your journey!
I believe you are missing the point of a Timbren SES (Suspension Enhancement System). I just installed them on my 2023 Tundra, and if I am not mistaken, they are meant more for towing and hauling so you don't sag that much in the rear or in the front if you carry a plow. I don't think they are meant for off-roading. By design, they limit up travel because they have a stiffer progressive spring rate. The more they compress, the stiffer they become. They are meant to assist your factory suspension without needing airbags. Airbags will add extra weight to your vehicle, and you have to constantly get out when adjusting your airbags to make sure you have the correct ride height. Another function Timbren SES provides is the protection of your other suspension components, which can be negatively affected when bottoming out while carrying or hauling a load.
These are not the SES. They are the bump stops.
Love the real in depth look and comparison. Keep up the great videos
I have both timbren and sumo springs.. timbrens on my 1500 are definitely stiffer and handle more overload applications, 4 sumos on my 36' camper to help with the sway and bumpy ride. The stiffer they are they more they handle the load, sumo compresses a lot compared to timbren so it can be a softer ride. Both of these have made it possible to tow such a large camper with a 1500 but your truck will take a beating even with all this tech. 1500 just not made for the application i was putting it through , upgraded to a 2500..
Awesome video! I love my yellow sumo Springs on the taco. It’s much needed even with an OME set up. Thanks for sharing
Why did you go with yellow rather than blue? Do you carry real heavy loads? My payload on my TRD off-road manual transmission is 945lb 🦴 stock suspension cuz I don't go off-road a lot I put blue sumo springs on the rear I just want to get them on the front it feels much more hunkered down when I go over large bumps it used to bounce all around before there's only about 1/2" between the spring & the frame rail so I must be using them quite a bit.
Very interesting, I wonder if Springs international will make a shorter front bump stop so that the suspension is not in a bind?
I doubt it. This is intended to do exactly what it is doing.
What arb bumper is in that Silverado?
I’m adding the blues to my ‘16 Silverado 1500 mid travel on kings.
It’s an older ARB, i don’t think they had more that one bumper for that truck.
Where did you get the ubolt flip kit for the sumosprings?
It all comes with the Sumo springs as an option.
To bad you didn't have some Duro Bumps to test out, I have used the Wheelers Bump Stops, the Sumo Bump Stops and my favorite are the Duro Bumps so far, they seem to really help on full compression in both higher speed woops, hard pack, soft sand, crawling on the trails and when mall crawling those speed bumps.
Yeah. I think those are better than any of the options i had here.
You should try out the Perry parts bumpstops.
I also run the OME system
What are you running your shock settings C/R
Thank you for the video. What front bumper are you using?
Warn Semi-hidden.
@@AllTerrainFamily thanks looks good
The Timbren or Sumo are HELPER springs designed for load assist keep vehicle properly balanced under load. The factory bump stop is actually an overload stop. However a trade off is always made loading carrying anti sway proper balance or total flex of travel. Only the user can answer that to his needs.
Honestly not complicated if your not running close to 75% payload/haul capacity they have no need to change as the loss in suspension travel is lost in off road. However if you tow/haul and rear has negative squat (rear end sits lower than front then they are needed to restore handling and heavy load comfort.
So do you need them? Maybe or maybe not. If you don’t need but want to spend money anyway sure.
Timbren does make helper springs. These are the bump stops though.
Love your sarcastic shit, keep it coming !!!
Timbren don't really do warranty either, wouldn't get them again, I'd go with the sumo or maybe airbags
Hey timbren and sumo! Why not develop a stop almost half the size in height with some sort of a screw in top addition/option for easy install for towing and the sag issues? Give us the option of what ride quality we want. The biggest issue with these is the loss of Ride quality for everyday driving.. The only people really looking at these are those who want to tow without sag and then keep their ride quality when not towing but are stuck with these issues.
Check out RubberShox…
I have a 21 TRD Pro and a 375 LB AT Topper just not sure what I should do, AAL or small Block and Sumo Springs, adding Westcott 1.75 lift to front
AAL. Makes no sense to lift only the front of a tacoma.
@@AllTerrainFamily yeah I understand that just uncertain which way to go for the Rear
@@damonphalin6023 Ideally, a full leaf spring pack that is correctly rated for the weight you carry. Add a Leaf is the next best option. Sumo springs are an OK option if you don't go off road. But the add a leaf is about the same price, but a little harder to install.
I think sumo springs make your suspension last longer, cuz it's not being used nearly as much 🤔
Have you looked at the accurate bumps? I am in between the sumo springs and accutune.
I have not
Looking for rear suspension help towing
Upgrade your leaf springs.
@@AllTerrainFamily well I have Lexus gx460 coil spring. Can’t
@@denden01161 *Upgrade your coil springs. There should be options. But also Airbags are a good option for coil springs.
In summary: Keep your OEM bump stops. Ignore marketing.
Sorry you lost me at meters. I only do imperial units od measure.
Totally understandable. It takes people on average 230 years to learn a new system over units and the metric system is only 225 years old. Only 5 more years to go bro!
@@AllTerrainFamilyim loving this comment lmfao. Like it’s so hard to learn a new system. I’m from Germany but I learned the imperial system pretty quick after I moved here.
Maverick!