Kerouac wanted nothing to do with politics. The Beat Generation was an amalgam of different ideas that became other things. But Jack was an artist, not the leader of a movement. He wanted you to hear his words, his music, wanted you to understand what he' had lived and seen through his poetic vision, and was actually inviting you to do the same.
Jack's life and writing were political because they were not conforming to the dominant ideas of the time. Jack said that he was Catholic practising piety. That should have put him in the good graces of Buckley, but it didn't because Jack didn't pretend to have been born to rule as Buckley did all his life.
Yeah there is very little political position taking in his work as a whole. If there were political implications then fine, that can be the case in every sector of work, but it wasn’t usually explicit. Kerouac was a little mean in this appearance but why so much focus on it?
Ginsberg is so articulate and truthful about Kerouac, describing his faults and his greatness without any ethical judgement. I wish my mates could speak the same about me!
Ginsberg loved and understood his friend with an admirable sincerity despite Kerouac's invectives. It is tenderness that makes me miss them both this evening.
It's amazing how generous and honest Ginsberg is here. He seems to have incredible love and respect for Kerouac, yet he doesn't sugar-coat what a flawed human being he was.
I met Ginsberg, at the Lonestar Cafe in New York about 1979 where Kinky Friedman was playing. There was an open chair next to me and he sat down, after asking my permission. I told him I had a copy of Howl next to my toilet for reading, and he said "that's a good place for it. To me it was the place of honor. Then I had a conversation about his poem "Mind Breaths" and meditation. It was a confusing conversation, as my concept of meditation was a state of nothingness, where as his concept seemed to a state of pondering. He was polite and said I should have "he probably should have explained in the book". Anyway - the nicest guy I ever met. Ginsberg who apparently was a friend of Kinky Friedman got up and joined the band, playing castanets. It was amazing the attention I got when people saw I was with Ginsberg, the waitresses offered me free drinks, and women were staring daggers as me and were trying to take me home.
Was happy to see this , and hear Ginsberg so eloquently talk about the genius and personality of Jack Kerouac. I am sure no one watched that particular 'Firing Line' to see anyone but Kerouac. He was the star of that show..no matter how Jack was feeling at the time. Thank you Mr. Ginsberg for being Jack's friend.
Really, we were all watching because of Jack? and Ginsberg too in the above i suppose... The bread that was buttered on one side only. Their generation inspiring the next and subsequent diatribe. Its the easiest thing when fame arrives, to be so narcissistic and right all the time. Billy Buckley gave both the time and respect in 'Firing Line' and actually had kind words to say about both years after despite all the vitriol aimed his way by the way of "boy did ginsberg get it right at the end". As for Ed Sanders, his bright mind eventually found a place in counterculture. For me his heart ended up being a hell of a lot bigger than the rest of that lot combined. Intellect aint the bees knees.
@@irishcowboy42 And to my mind Buckley had the wittiest, yea artistic, line of that program when he said to Ed Sanders, "So what you're saying Mr. Sanders is that Madame DeGaulle is Vietnam, mutatis mutandis."
I'm reading Kerouac's journals 1946-1952 and there's a funny part in there where Jack talks about Allen coming over to his place at four A.M. and begs Jack to beat him up.
I think his philosophy to open up to honest human experience is deeply dark. It’s like liberalism gone mad. Ginsberg was a walking experiment for these ideas and it revealed his penchant for pedophilia.
There was a moment on Firing Line when one of the other guys mentioned Kerouac and Ginsberg in the same breath and Jack shouted out, "dont ever put my name next to Ginsberg" with real vehemence and anger. I always wondered what Allen thought about that. He was right there in the audience.
I used to busk in North beach (73) and one night while out doing so I met Allen Ginsberg and was his partner Peter Orlovsky. They stopped to listen to me though we were not formerly introduced . I knew who he was but I was too intimidated to say anything. I was doing some Dylan songs and they kind of silently hung out looking on before disappearing into the San Francisco fog. This little blurb of a video was interesting to hear his take on Kerouac and get a little window into their friendship.
Ginsberg, Plath and Poe are the only poets I can read. Love you Allen- you flawed but great artistic being. You had a great way of articulating your generation.
Check out Roethke's Elegy for Jane(My Student, Thrown From a Horse), or Ballad of the Harp Weaver by Edna St. Vincent Millay. Two very sad yet beautiful poems..probably my two all-time favorite poems.
Allen does a great job of explaining how Kerouac got railroaded, as he'd been railroaded after the reception of On the Road. It wasn't a railroad on which he would have known the signals. Jack was the purest of artists. Love you Jack, Allen, too.
Ginsberg: great hunk of drunken meat- being honest and clear. 100% real...YES Jack. And Ginsberg was always sweet about jack even in Jacks last years. Precious people who changed lives right here! In this footage. I was certainly changed by these people. Eternally changed. I am so thankful. ♥
I have always liked the art of the Beats...it is refreshing and vibrant and shakes conventions to its core, which is what art should be. But it is the personalities of the artists which now, as I have left the time where sheer differences would impress me, that now jump out at me. Maybe it is the fact that I have experienced a substantial part of life now..numerous times...that I now look at the inner core, and try to ascertain what is the source from which this art is derived. And I can't help but find myself shaking no at times to what Kerouac does, or what Ginsberg says,..."no, it isn't like that"......."I don't agree with what you saw". I still am inspired by what they wrote...but find that I am confused by the dissidence I now look at them with older eyes. Is it, in fact, that I don't seek out differences so much any more, or is it just innocence lost?
Barry W there is no blessing in our hearts because we are of a different time. They sacrificed themselves for their art. Maybe they had no choice in those times. They had lived through a world war. Our suffering is not the same. Our struggle is connected historically, but actually quite different in nature, I feel.
Ginsberg was, in a way, the self appointed Gertrude Stein for the Beat Movement. He nudged and coerced these madmen to become authors. It must have been tragic for him to watch Kerouac crash and Burroughs wander off as was his custom.
god i love that Gertrude analogy, i dont like Jack, he comes across as rude, but all of what the beats did i find inspiring, and i very much so moved along and lived in a not so different manner anyway. I dont find any of it tragic, i find Bill Burroughs treatment of his son though the definition of tragedy.
Kerouac was a young adult hero of mine, and he fell a peg in this Buckley interview. Jack was an absolute mess. It felt outdated, hung up on a relic, highly fermented.
@Blondi What about his stupid Tolstoy reference. He was trying to fit something in that didn't quite make any sense. Some are really great thinkers in writing, but they lack the oratory and ability to think on their feet like a Chris Hitchens. It's just a different type of genius. But you have to wonder? Were all these hipster, beatniks morons like he was in this interview? Even Rexroth in San Francisco, someone who studied Chinese poetry in Mandarin, saw though a lot of the Beat mythology.
@@ejw1234 "Chris" Hitchens, really? Kerouac was right to feel set up and snubbed during this interview. Of course Kerouac was no Hitchens, that's an absurd comparison, but Kerouac could definitely "think on his feet". No one knew how to find the right words like Kerouac did, he could write a book in mere days -- albeit sitting down. He was years into alcoholism at this point as well, he had delirium tremens, a horrible disease by all accounts.
FASCINATING! That anybody could "shut" Buckley up- a man I couldn't tolerate- yes I need to grow - reach Allen's heights- merci beaucoup for posting what is before my time- I listen to The Fugs daily ! I just listened to Allen reciting, Death to Van Gogh 's Ear and his words, so prophetic, chilled me- all the decades which have passed, cars which pass my front porch, spewing out rap so full of hate and so monotonous and here is the real deal, the antecedent, along with the African music I love- I'm white, and I can't get my head around how we are STILL making wars, watching homeless junkie kids ( no judgment as I am in recovery too and my gentle, musician neighbor drank himself to death 1 week ago, like Jack did-) rents are INSANE, food shortages due in part to collusion- who is "crazy"? I'm not sure what I mean to convey- in mourning for my "Peter Pan" neighbor- he grew old but not up- play Tom Waits- I Don't Wanna Grow Up and Tom Traubert's Blues- Waits is a link to these "cats"- DAMN I'M ANGRY - why don't we ever learn- Namaste from Ontario, Canada my friend- do you listen to Leonard Cohen? He regarded Allen as America's finest poet of his generation-
Kind of sad seeing all theses negative comments about Kerouac and Ginsberg. Kerouac was raised a Roman Catholic and had a tolerant and kind heart and their friendship was genuine. I love Ginsberg standing up for Kerouac who I think needs no defending because he was and is hipper than all the smelly clowns that could not walk in either of Kerouac or Ginsberg's literary or human shoes.
Yeah it's in one of Burroughs books to. He stood at the back of the line with rags and water to wash those that got gassed. Burroughs was the kindest of them.
It's strange to think that while unlikely, Kerouac could conceivably still be alive today, but fitting that he is forever frozen in time in the 50s/60s. He was a man of his time.
Yeah there's a lot of dick-sucking happening here which is sweet, but hardly meant for anyone but Jack, it's not especially useful for us, the viewers.
Kerouac wasn't an object of discussion on the show, nor was the sociologist there to analyze him. Jack was one of three panelists there to discuss the phenomenon of the Hippie Movement. Sanders as a representative of the hippies, Jack as a representative of their predecessors the beats, and the sociologist, whose name I can't remember either, there to describe the social significance of the movement. Buckley was certainly skeptical, but rightly so. Neither Bohemians nor conservatives have all of the answers, but both have aspects to admire and to criticize. I thought that Ginsberg was rather unfair to Buckley, but both sides are consistently unfair to each other.
Kerouac also made it abundantly clear in that same interview that he was ardently anti Communist. In fact Kerouacs anti communism always rankled his friends including Ginsburg.
I took a writing class from Ginsberg at Naropa Institute and he seemed like a lovely man. Cross showed up and was arrogant and an asshole. Ginsberg had his father come to the class and he, too, seemed like a lovely man. Burroughs was inaccessible and self-absorbed on the day he was present. All in all, interesting and strange.
holygoat's observation that AG misquotes or mischaracterizes the precise content of Kerouac's comment on the Vietnamese role or motivation in the war is accurate, but still! the rest of AG's loving and attentive remarks on his friend were point on and profound and amazingly perceptive...AG shines also on the TH-cam clip about the "Avant Guard" from his own appearance on Firing Line! R.I. P., dear Allen.
Allen was also one of the most generous writers in terms of his literary criticism and promotion of other people's work, especially when it came to Kerouac. Sometimes, as in this video, he'd project a little too much, but that was part of his passion and charm.
I haven’t watched the entire show, but Buckley seems to be humored by Kerouac, not displeased or too aggravated, other than he’s the host and has to keep some semblance of conversational order.
The intellectuals can sit around debating their theories of nothing. I'd rather be in front of a fire and under a moon with a can of beans and a jug of wine, listening to the melodies dancing in my head.Or in my cabin a thousand miles from nowhere and anywhere at the same time. Meditating on life and all its essence. These men in starch suits will never understand the riches of me or the other darhma bums floating through life and floating through the mountains and railway lines. Or at least that's what I imagine what jack would have said
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 Thats exactly why there is the wonderful quote: "He e n j o y e d HIMSELF (sic) in . . . Paris. . . London. . . Tokyo . . . or the desert . . . or the mountains . . . . !" AS FULL RICH personality doesnt need other folks . . . read Nietzsches Zarathustra, listen to ZEN master OSHO . . . These are GIANTS on their own, never had a teacher or guru for themselves . . .
Thank you for this one. Ha, my lady just came up to me and looked at the screen. I told her it was "the beats," to which she responded by turning her back--it was time for "the scritchies." Ho ho! MMEERROOWWW!!
Something many of us who were alive and awake during this period remember two things about Ginsberg and Kerouac very well: 1) both were more than willing to be swept up into the so-called Hippie movement while pretending to remain aloof and 2) both were very much in love with their own celebrity. If you know that much about either, you know more than many,
@@iadorenewyork1 H certainly profited by it and never seemed to run away from it. Not really. This is not a knock on him personally, just my humble opinion, observing him from a distance.
No, there was really no doubt, especially during those years as they played out, that Ginsberg gleefully embraced his emerging role as the "kaftan-wearing, beads-a-stringing megaphone spokesman" for a generation
It was saunders who stole the show and said anything worth value on that. Kerouac came off as jealous old drunk, pissed that someone else stole his thunder. The professor was though a complete waste of hot air. At least jack provided the entertainment value, though as a sad old man out of touch. even though he was only 46.
Sanders sounded like a douche and Kerouac was drunk. Even in that state I respect Kerouac more because he'd actually created beautiful works that last up till now.
Ginsberg is wrong about Kerouac's response to Buckley's Vietnam War question. What he actually said was that he thought it was a plot between the South AND North Vietnamese to get Jeeps. He did not simply denounce the South Vietnamese as being corrupt, as Ginsberg states. And Buckley DID have an answer: "Well they're not very good plotters, are they?" which is the obvious retort. Kerouac responded, "Well they got a of a lot of Jeeps!" to which Buckley replied, "They turned out to be more expensive than Sears Roebuck Jeeps." Buckley clearly got the better of this exchange.
holygoat Kerouac was also implying there was an economic component to the war, which effected N.V. and S.V.. It was rather a boast of the American industrial capacity and consumerism, versus the rationing and relative austerity of Soviet-style communism and the poverty and drug/gangster economy of ex-French colonial S.V.
+firetaker25 If Kerouac said that instead of what he actually said I'd have agreed with him. Instead he says something that was completely idiotic because he's completely wasted.
ginsberg's explanation at the end summarizes most drunks i know who only have a personality, so to speak, when they drink. its such a fantastical put on & dangerous. As we see in this footage, there is quite obviously a bloated kerouac teetering between drunken buffoonery & an inner grapple to appear sober
Is there any way we can get a generation defining artist/poet/writer/musician that doesn’t have an addiction problem or some fucked up sexual shit to go along with it?
Authors like Ginsberg, Kerouac, Burroughs, and Hunter Thompson were followed by rich college posers, 17 year old freshmen who thought they knew what life was all about from reading Naked Lunch, On the Road, or Fear and Loathing... I met some of them in freshmen dorm. Funny thing, there were a LOT fewer of them at commencement! I wonder why?
I worked TV talk shows and though we at times would book someone for the time allotted for the entire show we always had other like guests in the wings. Word may have gotten back to Buckley's people that Jack was inebriated and in order to save the live show they inserted the other two guests to help carry the show if it went entirely south. Kerouac was fairly good despite his drunkenness. Made for good live TV. I am sure it may have diminished the image of Kerouac in the eyes of some of his fans. Buckley managed the show wonderfully. He at no time belittled Jack on the air but played along. WABC-TV morning show host Stanley Siegal in the '70s was also sympathetic to a drunk and tranquilized Truman Capote live on the air and it was headlines in newspapers within the hour.
Ginsberg's entire adult life was an act. He should have played "Wacky Beatnik Poet" on "Gilligan's Island." He wasn't worthy to be on Buckley's show as a peer of Jack Kerouac.
The Kesey quote I recently (like last week) read about Ginsberg was how cool-headed and quick he was: "Ginsberg and some others were in the back [of the bus] on a mattress, and we got pulled over by a cop for a taillight or something. The cop looked in the back, and there was Ginsberg on top of this, well, boy, really. And the cop looked in back, said, "What's going on?" "Sir," Allen said, "he is having an epileptic seizure. I have to hold him down." That was it. Phew. [Another] example[s] of his courage and his humor." Uh, "boy, really??!" Who cares if you use young impressionable people for your sex objects? Just the way of the "Libertine," I suppose. Tra-la-la.
farswept Nothing wrong with it, if it's consensual sex, at least that's my opinion... All this crap about "Young, impressionable people" is just utter nonsense. Rape is rape, no matter what age, I agree on that. But consensual sex is consensual sex, again, NO MATTER what age. You didn't give the date of that quote and the quote doesn't say when this incident occured. We all know that there was once a time when homosexuals where hated by anyone who wasn't one himself (and in many parts of the world, this is still the case). The cop would've probably arrested them for indecent behaviour or some other bullshit...
the power and beauty of The Beats was their uncanny Openness to life and all its myriad incantations...they were ultimately Understanding at a time where Understanding was a rare & dangerous commodity, this is precisely why they were so radically influential...
Pedophiles are never cool. It just overrides everything else. Take it one step further and realize he was a charter starter member of the North American Man Boy Love Association and fully endorsed screwing male children. Sick bastard.
I subscribed to HenryK, because he looks like a nice fellow to drink with and he's obviously very intelligent posting such smart video-clips for the world to marvel over. What a great guy.
I watched this interview - Buckey didn't know what to think - Kerouac was great even if he was drunk, which was common during that time, especially in the workplace. I admire watching anything about him. I bet the ratings if they had them then, were excellent. - much of what #jackKerouac rings true in our world today.
He was right looking back on it. "tragicomic revelation beauty". At the time it must have been a mess but we're reflecting now on what it actually was.
Jason Mantzoukas-David Cross-Allen Ginsberg, , I cannot PROVE they are all the same weirdo time traveling hipster poet, but I have NEVER seen them all in the same place at the same time!
Why are they trying to white out my Uncle Robert Kaufman, BOB KAUFMAN, original BEAT POET. My Uncle Robert created the Beat movement. Uncle Robert created the word BEATNIK. NEW ORLEANS BORN. TONTI STREET. 7TH WARD. HE IS OURS.
Your Uncle will always be remembered by those who know his work. I remember first hearing about him because of his decade long vow of silence. there is no words to describe the level of character and discipline he had. I hope you and your family are doing well.
Dear Laurie, we know your uncle and his work in Germany . He is highly appreciated and people read him . The ships that never sailed... ALL DIESE SCHIFFE DIE NIE SEGELTEN All diese Schiffe die nie gesegelt Die mit den offenen Ventilklappen Die waren versenkt in ihren Buchten ... Heute bringe ich sie zurück Riesig und unvergänglich Und laß sie segeln Für immer. All diese Blumen die du nie wachsen ließt - wachsen sehen wolltest Die die gepflügt unter die Oberfläche in den Schlamm- Heute bringe ich sie zurück und laß sie dich züchten Für immer. All diese Kriege und Waffenstillstände Tanzen die Jahre hinunter - Alles in drei Fahnenschwingertagen Abgelehnte Bedeutung von Gott - Mein Körper war einst mit Schönheit bedeckt Jetzt ein Museum von Verrat. Dieser Teil ist erinnert wegen jemandes Berührung Dieser Teil ist erinnert an jemandes Kuß - Heute bring ich es zurück Und lasse dich ewig im Leben. Ich atme ein atemloses I love you und bewege dich Für immer. Hol sie weg die Schlangen von Moses’ Arm ... Und eines Tages wird die Judenkönigin tanzen Die Straße hinunter mit den Hunden Und sie macht jeden Juden zu ihrem Liebhaber. BOB KAUFMAN Please contact us, if you want: produktion.wib@directbox.com Fred * * *
wild and windblown this Kerouac out there in the twilight under the railroad pass. and buckley from oxford or the rivers in their sadness in Europe or maybe from new yawk city. buckley has an accent like money and lots of it down on ninth street in the wet dawn streets of the city. and ginsberg and his good road buddy carlo marx and his beaten lampshade views of the lemon trees of Berkley and the clean lean streets of frisco in the cold blown dawn. the beach and dunes retreating from the wind and the constant slash of the ocean and the ocean moves out to the right past McCarthy who was a bum and a bully and drunk too but at least he didn't murder 100 million like lenin with his fur chin and poet cap and stalin made of steel and leaning over burrow dogs. so in America I myself am out here in my own twilight thinking of drunk jack in rumpy jacket on broken buckley chair, and neal out there in eternity, and the road, the immensity of it, kola bear in greenasgrass knickers, and the lemon trees and the lemon pledge and the wind blowing, and all of just an infinitesimal logic the unbalanced mind tries to leave behind. I think of you jack Kerouac. I even think of sally the girl I never knew. I think of you jack Kerouac.
From 8:30 onward is a great example of why Ginsburg was an insightful and brilliant guy. Apply what he says here to the last decade, and the years we have ahead.
People talk about that interview (the firing line) as if there was acrimony or conflict of some kind between Kerouak and Buckley but i have no idea why, obviously Kerouaks inebriation added an incoherence that Buckley would've preferred less of but over all they're the only two present between whom theres is no spite...I think people are seeing something because they want it to be so...because they think that Buckleys "type" shouldn't be getting along with Kerouaks "type"...I'm not sure if I like Buckely as much as Kerouak appears to necessarily but they're both literary men and theres no reason why literary men shouldn't have a mutual respect for one another and despite the fact that kerouak was in no condition to give a regular substantive interview that respect is apparent he
Encycl Britannica Beat movement, also called Beat Generation, American social and literary movement originating in the 1950s and centred in the bohemian artist communities of San Francisco’s North Beach, Los Angeles’ Venice West, and New York City’s Greenwich Village. Its adherents, self-styled as “beat” (originally meaning “weary,” but later also connoting a musical sense, a “beatific” spirituality, and other meanings) and derisively called “beatniks,” expressed their alienation from conventional, or “square,” society by adopting a style of dress, manners, and “hip” vocabulary borrowed from jazz musicians. They advocated personal release, purification, and illumination through the heightened sensory awareness that might be induced by drugs, jazz, sex, or the disciplines of Zen Buddhism. The Beats and their advocates found the joylessness and purposelessness of modern society sufficient justification for both withdrawal and protest. ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITTANICA
why don't they sell glasses like these anymore? i had to make my own from some aviators and they aren't quite as good. he had the best style besides burroughs.
Most good opticians in large cities have a fine selection of spectacles in this style. Both vintage and new. Of course, if you don't have the ability to travel there? I admire your creative spirit; your resourcefulness.
Ginsberg bends the truth to suit his own politics. Kerouac did not say 'South Vietnamese' as well as make any partisan statement about capitalist/communist politics, as Ginsberg falsely recalls. Kerouac in fact said "In the first place, I think that the Vietnamese War is nothing but a plot between the North Vietnamese and the South Vietnamese - who are cousins- to get Jeeps in the country."
Ginsberg is being way too kind to Kerouac here. I watched the Buckley interview immediately prior to watching this one. He clearly said the *North* Vietnamese *and* the South Vietnamese were staging the war in order to get Jeeps. And while clearly thrown off by this, Buckley did have a reaction: the "Jeeps" have turned out to be very expensive. Kerouac was by this point a reactionary drunk. Sanders was a bit ignorant of politics outside the US but had good ideas and wasn't phoning it in. The professor, well... watch it for yourself...
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Kerouac wanted nothing to do with politics. The Beat Generation was an amalgam of different ideas that became other things. But Jack was an artist, not the leader of a movement. He wanted you to hear his words, his music, wanted you to understand what he' had lived and seen through his poetic vision, and was actually inviting you to do the same.
Jack's life and writing were political because they were not conforming to the dominant ideas of the time. Jack said that he was Catholic practising piety. That should have put him in the good graces of Buckley, but it didn't because Jack didn't pretend to have been born to rule as Buckley did all his life.
Couldn’t concur more! Beautifully stated
And he wanted nothing to do with god.......but he did. He only offered his own confusion.
Yeah there is very little political position taking in his work as a whole. If there were political implications then fine, that can be the case in every sector of work, but it wasn’t usually explicit. Kerouac was a little mean in this appearance but why so much focus on it?
Keroauc was a creep who rejected his only daughter who led a deeply disturbed life because of this rejection.
Ginsberg is so articulate and truthful about Kerouac, describing his faults and his greatness without any ethical judgement. I wish my mates could speak the same about me!
Ginsberg loved and understood his friend with an admirable sincerity despite Kerouac's invectives. It is tenderness that makes me miss them both this evening.
he should of been thrown off a building for being a sick fuck
That is the way
@@roberthansen2546 First of all spell his Name right....Then talk about
His Assault on YOUR Freedom.....Bob
@@jonnyjeremiahtv I'm Sorry....What's A 'chomo"??
It's amazing how generous and honest Ginsberg is here. He seems to have incredible love and respect for Kerouac, yet he doesn't sugar-coat what a flawed human being he was.
they were best friends and yet, intelectual rivals
Yeah, and you can still see how he was a little disturbed by Kerouac's antisemitism.
I met Ginsberg, at the Lonestar Cafe in New York about 1979 where Kinky Friedman was playing. There was an open chair next to me and he sat down, after asking my permission. I told him I had a copy of Howl next to my toilet for reading, and he said "that's a good place for it. To me it was the place of honor. Then I had a conversation about his poem "Mind Breaths" and meditation. It was a confusing conversation, as my concept of meditation was a state of nothingness, where as his concept seemed to a state of pondering. He was polite and said I should have "he probably should have explained in the book". Anyway - the nicest guy I ever met.
Ginsberg who apparently was a friend of Kinky Friedman got up and joined the band, playing castanets. It was amazing the attention I got when people saw I was with Ginsberg, the waitresses offered me free drinks, and women were staring daggers as me and were trying to take me home.
A variation of "guilt by association"? haha. He sounds an interesting man as you do
Hope u cashed in on those AG dagger groupies.. the beats would approve of living life to the fullest
Was happy to see this , and hear Ginsberg so eloquently talk about the genius and personality of Jack Kerouac. I am sure no one watched that particular 'Firing Line' to see anyone but Kerouac. He was the star of that show..no matter how Jack was feeling at the time. Thank you Mr. Ginsberg for being Jack's friend.
"He probably thought that Kerouac was a social phenomenon rather than an artist."
I tend to make that mistake myself sometimes.
Poor Jack, he had a beautiful free soul with a love of alcohol. Such a writer, always one of my absolute favorites.
yes !
He was a member of NAMBLA, he was a CREEP!!
@@JRF1961 Ginsburg was not Kerouac, dummy.
no
@@zyrrhos Ginsberg was a member of NAMBLA, look it up, Dummy.
Boy did Ginsberg get it right at the end. We're all watching this because of Jack Kerouac, not because of William F. Buckley's "Firing Line".
I'm watching it because of Boo-urns.....
@@lilithaensland5566 shut yur godam' outh
No way, I love Buckley and his googley eyed pretension. He's impressive as well.
Really, we were all watching because of Jack? and Ginsberg too in the above i suppose... The bread that was buttered on one side only. Their generation inspiring the next and subsequent diatribe. Its the easiest thing when fame arrives, to be so narcissistic and right all the time. Billy Buckley gave both the time and respect in 'Firing Line' and actually had kind words to say about both years after despite all the vitriol aimed his way by the way of "boy did ginsberg get it right at the end". As for Ed Sanders, his bright mind eventually found a place in counterculture. For me his heart ended up being a hell of a lot bigger than the rest of that lot combined. Intellect aint the bees knees.
@@irishcowboy42 And to my mind Buckley had the wittiest, yea artistic, line of that program when he said to Ed Sanders, "So what you're saying Mr. Sanders is that Madame DeGaulle is Vietnam, mutatis mutandis."
I'm reading Kerouac's journals 1946-1952 and there's a funny part in there where Jack talks about Allen coming over to his place at four A.M. and begs Jack to beat him up.
Is that his journals or his letters?
sammy scotch Allen says He was a drunken shrewd, you are a sober nitwit.
Where do u get his journals?
Kerouac's book of letters
Stephen Anthony no, Ginsberg wanted little boys to do that for him instead.
I adore Allen Ginsberg! I miss his intelligence, poetry, passion, and kindness.
sad he supported nambla
I think his philosophy to open up to honest human experience is deeply dark. It’s like liberalism gone mad. Ginsberg was a walking experiment for these ideas and it revealed his penchant for pedophilia.
That’s not to say I don’t admire his artistry. :)
Ginsberg, beautiful friend, lover, saint of the honest heart. people like Ginsberg and Kerouac will always be targets by the haters.
+Rich Allgan no need to get your panties in a twist.
people usually hate others because of their behavior. would you like to suck off Ginsberg when you were a teen
NAMBLA
There was a moment on Firing Line when one of the other guys mentioned Kerouac and Ginsberg in the same breath and Jack shouted out, "dont ever put my name next to Ginsberg" with real vehemence and anger. I always wondered what Allen thought about that. He was right there in the audience.
I used to busk in North beach (73) and one night while out doing so I met Allen Ginsberg and was his partner Peter Orlovsky. They stopped to listen to me though we were not formerly introduced . I knew who he was but I was too intimidated to say anything. I was doing some Dylan songs and they kind of silently hung out looking on before disappearing into the San Francisco fog. This little blurb of a video was interesting to hear his take on Kerouac and get a little window into their friendship.
Ginsberg, Plath and Poe are the only poets I can read. Love you Allen- you flawed but great artistic being. You had a great way of articulating your generation.
Even though he supported NAMBLA? It's funny how people pull the shudders closed on certain issues.
@@paulosicne5803 well she just said he had his flaw, it's called learning to separate the artist and who they were/are from their actual art.
Check out Roethke's Elegy for Jane(My Student, Thrown From a Horse), or Ballad of the Harp Weaver by Edna St. Vincent Millay. Two very sad yet beautiful poems..probably my two all-time favorite poems.
@@paulosicne5803 I don't get it. What does that have to do with his poetry? Nothing. What did you create that's worth discussing? Nothing.
Allen does a great job of explaining how Kerouac got railroaded, as he'd been railroaded after the reception of On the Road. It wasn't a railroad on which he would have known the signals. Jack was the purest of artists. Love you Jack, Allen, too.
Ginsberg: great hunk of drunken meat- being honest and clear. 100% real...YES Jack. And Ginsberg was always sweet about jack even in Jacks last years. Precious people who changed lives right here! In this footage. I was certainly changed by these people. Eternally changed. I am so thankful. ♥
Yes,Ginsberg was above it all and Kerouac gave the world so much. Buckley just happens to be there..that’s all.
A regular Trump. 🙄
The firing line Kerouac got real bitter
I have always liked the art of the Beats...it is refreshing and vibrant and shakes conventions to its core, which is what art should be. But it is the personalities of the artists which now, as I have left the time where sheer differences would impress me, that now jump out at me.
Maybe it is the fact that I have experienced a substantial part of life now..numerous times...that I now look at the inner core, and try to ascertain what is the source from which this art is derived. And I can't help but find myself shaking no at times to what Kerouac does, or what Ginsberg says,..."no, it isn't like that"......."I don't agree with what you saw".
I still am inspired by what they wrote...but find that I am confused by the dissidence I now look at them with older eyes. Is it, in fact, that I don't seek out differences so much any more, or is it just innocence lost?
Barry W there is no blessing in our hearts because we are of a different time. They sacrificed themselves for their art. Maybe they had no choice in those times. They had lived through a world war. Our suffering is not the same. Our struggle is connected historically, but actually quite different in nature, I feel.
Ginsberg was, in a way, the self appointed Gertrude Stein for the Beat Movement. He nudged and coerced these madmen to become authors. It must have been tragic for him to watch Kerouac crash and Burroughs wander off as was his custom.
he didn't self appoint. he was ordered by the central intelligence agencies. meanwhile.... at Nambla...
I was wondering when someone would bring up nambla lol
@@shelbybrown8312 Thank goodness. Gingsberg is disgusting!
Jack didn't accept normal living--didn't grow up, like an adult.
god i love that Gertrude analogy, i dont like Jack, he comes across as rude, but all of what the beats did i find inspiring, and i very much so moved along and lived in a not so different manner anyway. I dont find any of it tragic, i find Bill Burroughs treatment of his son though the definition of tragedy.
Days I could listen to Ginsberg almost as long as Kerouac... for days.
Carlo Marx
Coucho Marks.
Always reminded me of Karl Marx
What a great, loyal friend. Completely shifted my view of that panel.
his voice fits his poems so well
Well said Allen! Both of you are kings!
Both Jack and Alan were literate and always interesting. I count myself lucky to have known them both.
John Wilhelm - except it's spelled Allen, not Alan. Couldn't have known him that well!!!!
Nella Grebsnig was a poor speller himself. I got to know him a bit after Jack's departure.. He said of my poetry "You can write alright."
There's one name dropping commenter in every youtube video
What was your relationship with them, John?
Jack Kerouac hated Allen Ginsberg late in his life because he knew the monster that Allen Ginsberg is which is the worst thing a person can be.
Kerouac was a young adult hero of mine, and he fell a peg in this Buckley interview. Jack was an absolute mess. It felt outdated, hung up on a relic, highly fermented.
He was in the last stages of alcoholism and would be dead within a year. So sad.
Never liked him, liked him less after that.
@Blondi What about his stupid Tolstoy reference. He was trying to fit something in that didn't quite make any sense. Some are really great thinkers in writing, but they lack the oratory and ability to think on their feet like a Chris Hitchens. It's just a different type of genius. But you have to wonder? Were all these hipster, beatniks morons like he was in this interview? Even Rexroth in San Francisco, someone who studied Chinese poetry in Mandarin, saw though a lot of the Beat mythology.
@@ejw1234 "Chris" Hitchens, really?
Kerouac was right to feel set up and snubbed during this interview. Of course Kerouac was no Hitchens, that's an absurd comparison, but Kerouac could definitely "think on his feet". No one knew how to find the right words like Kerouac did, he could write a book in mere days -- albeit sitting down. He was years into alcoholism at this point as well, he had delirium tremens, a horrible disease by all accounts.
FASCINATING! That anybody could "shut" Buckley up- a man I couldn't tolerate- yes I need to grow - reach Allen's heights- merci beaucoup for posting what is before my time- I listen to The Fugs daily ! I just listened to Allen reciting, Death to Van Gogh 's Ear and his words, so prophetic, chilled me- all the decades which have passed, cars which pass my front porch, spewing out rap so full of hate and so monotonous and here is the real deal, the antecedent, along with the African music I love- I'm white, and I can't get my head around how we are STILL making wars, watching homeless junkie kids ( no judgment as I am in recovery too and my gentle, musician neighbor drank himself to death 1 week ago, like Jack did-) rents are INSANE, food shortages due in part to collusion- who is "crazy"? I'm not sure what I mean to convey- in mourning for my "Peter Pan" neighbor- he grew old but not up- play Tom Waits- I Don't Wanna Grow Up and Tom Traubert's Blues- Waits is a link to these "cats"- DAMN I'M ANGRY - why don't we ever learn- Namaste from Ontario, Canada my friend- do you listen to Leonard Cohen? He regarded Allen as America's finest poet of his generation-
The fact that you cannot tolerate WFB speaks volumes about you- and it isn't good.
Kind of sad seeing all theses negative comments about Kerouac and Ginsberg. Kerouac was raised a Roman Catholic and had a tolerant and kind heart and their friendship was genuine. I love Ginsberg standing up for Kerouac who I think needs no defending because he was and is hipper than all the smelly clowns that could not walk in either of Kerouac or Ginsberg's literary or human shoes.
How true. Where are people like this now. We needed them in the 50s and 60s, and they all showed up. Now, not so much. Check that, not at all....
What a great speaking voice . Wish I had a voice like his .
I still think without Neal Cassidy there would have been no Jack Kerouac and therefore no beat generation.
Long live Dean Moriarty, holy raggedy rascal !!!
Did he say Burroughs was at a tear gas convention in Chicago?
He's clearly talking about the '68 Democratic National Convention...
Classic line.
Yeah it's in one of Burroughs books to. He stood at the back of the line with rags and water to wash those that got gassed. Burroughs was the kindest of them.
Ronald Owens any idea what the book is called?
That is wit
It's strange to think that while unlikely, Kerouac could conceivably still be alive today, but fitting that he is forever frozen in time in the 50s/60s. He was a man of his time.
Wow
3:25 Could someone please tell the fly that Ginsberg was not quite dead yet,
Ginsberg was good at being seen (today's poets, not so much).
Today's poets?
ginsberg used to take off all his clothes at social gatherings.
@@timgreenglass sounds like my kinda guy
HOT HOT GINSBERG-ON-KEROUAC ACTION!!!!1!!
Yeah there's a lot of dick-sucking happening here which is sweet, but hardly meant for anyone but Jack, it's not especially useful for us, the viewers.
Allen Ginsburg is quite right that over time Buckley seems stilted and Kerouac interesting.
A brillaint recap of the intererview Jack Kerouac King of the Beats 2012 Full Documentary.
W Buckley was on C.I.A. payroll. Fact.
That makes Buckley a great American patriot
@@williamwooten6156 indeed.
Tear gas conventions are the bomb
Kerouac wasn't an object of discussion on the show, nor was the sociologist there to analyze him. Jack was one of three panelists there to discuss the phenomenon of the Hippie Movement. Sanders as a representative of the hippies, Jack as a representative of their predecessors the beats, and the sociologist, whose name I can't remember either, there to describe the social significance of the movement. Buckley was certainly skeptical, but rightly so. Neither Bohemians nor conservatives have all of the answers, but both have aspects to admire and to criticize. I thought that Ginsberg was rather unfair to Buckley, but both sides are consistently unfair to each other.
Kerouac also made it abundantly clear in that same interview that he was ardently anti Communist. In fact Kerouacs anti communism always rankled his friends including Ginsburg.
I took a writing class from Ginsberg at Naropa Institute and he seemed like a lovely man. Cross showed up and was arrogant and an asshole. Ginsberg had his father come to the class and he, too, seemed like a lovely man. Burroughs was inaccessible and self-absorbed on the day he was present. All in all, interesting and strange.
holygoat's observation that AG misquotes or mischaracterizes the precise content of Kerouac's comment on the Vietnamese role or motivation in the war is accurate, but still! the rest of AG's loving and attentive remarks on his friend were point on and profound and amazingly perceptive...AG shines also on the TH-cam clip about the "Avant Guard" from his own appearance on Firing Line! R.I. P., dear Allen.
Allen was also one of the most generous writers in terms of his literary criticism and promotion of other people's work, especially when it came to Kerouac. Sometimes, as in this video, he'd project a little too much, but that was part of his passion and charm.
I haven’t watched the entire show, but Buckley seems to be humored by Kerouac, not displeased or too aggravated, other than he’s the host and has to keep some semblance of conversational order.
The intellectuals can sit around debating their theories of nothing. I'd rather be in front of a fire and under a moon with a can of beans and a jug of wine, listening to the melodies dancing in my head.Or in my cabin a thousand miles from nowhere and anywhere at the same time. Meditating on life and all its essence. These men in starch suits will never understand the riches of me or the other darhma bums floating through life and floating through the mountains and railway lines.
Or at least that's what I imagine what jack would have said
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 Thats exactly why there is the wonderful quote: "He e n j o y e d HIMSELF (sic) in . . . Paris. . . London. . . Tokyo . . . or the desert . . . or the mountains . . . . !" AS FULL RICH personality doesnt need other folks . . . read Nietzsches Zarathustra, listen to ZEN master OSHO . . . These are GIANTS on their own, never had a teacher or guru for themselves . . .
Thank you for this one. Ha, my lady just came up to me and looked at the screen. I told her it was "the beats," to which she responded by turning her back--it was time for "the scritchies." Ho ho! MMEERROOWWW!!
Something many of us who were alive and awake during this period remember two things about Ginsberg and Kerouac very well: 1) both were more than willing to be swept up into the so-called Hippie movement while pretending to remain aloof and 2) both were very much in love with their own celebrity. If you know that much about either, you know more than many,
Well theres also Ginsburgs love/sex w boys
Ginsberg does not strike me as wanting to be a celebrity, particularly. He was made so.
@@iadorenewyork1 H certainly profited by it and never seemed to run away from it. Not really. This is not a knock on him personally, just my humble opinion, observing him from a distance.
No, there was really no doubt, especially during those years as they played out, that Ginsberg gleefully embraced his emerging role as the "kaftan-wearing, beads-a-stringing megaphone spokesman" for a generation
It was saunders who stole the show and said anything worth value on that. Kerouac came off as jealous old drunk, pissed that someone else stole his thunder. The professor was though a complete waste of hot air. At least jack provided the entertainment value, though as a sad old man out of touch. even though he was only 46.
Mack Deen Now Sanders is a a dirty old man, out of touch.
Sanders sounded like a douche and Kerouac was drunk. Even in that state I respect Kerouac more because he'd actually created beautiful works that last up till now.
Ginsberg is wrong about Kerouac's response to Buckley's Vietnam War question. What he actually said was that he thought it was a plot between the South AND North Vietnamese to get Jeeps. He did not simply denounce the South Vietnamese as being corrupt, as Ginsberg states.
And Buckley DID have an answer: "Well they're not very good plotters, are they?" which is the obvious retort. Kerouac responded, "Well they got a of a lot of Jeeps!" to which Buckley replied, "They turned out to be more expensive than Sears Roebuck Jeeps."
Buckley clearly got the better of this exchange.
holygoat Kerouac was also implying there was an economic component to the war, which effected N.V. and S.V.. It was rather a boast of the American industrial capacity and consumerism, versus the rationing and relative austerity of Soviet-style communism and the poverty and drug/gangster economy of ex-French colonial S.V.
+firetaker25 If Kerouac said that instead of what he actually said I'd have agreed with him. Instead he says something that was completely idiotic because he's completely wasted.
+Scott Allennim All he talked about was someone wanting American Jeeps
Yes but it gave Ginsberg an opportunity to attack the Catholic identity of some in the South Vietnam government
and who the fuck are you? I'll take Ginsberg's word for it not yours..
I met Ginsberg in 1995 and he was a lovely guy
ginsberg's explanation at the end summarizes most drunks i know who only have a personality, so to speak, when they drink. its such a fantastical put on & dangerous. As we see in this footage, there is quite obviously a bloated kerouac teetering between drunken buffoonery & an inner grapple to appear sober
This is very nice. Ginsberg had a good soul.
He was a supporter and member of NAMBLA, people with good souls do not sodomize young boys.
Is there any way we can get a generation defining artist/poet/writer/musician that doesn’t have an addiction problem or some fucked up sexual shit to go along with it?
+The Antagonizer you name gives the game away
Ginsburg promoted pedophilia, do some research, sheep.
Yeah Ginsberg grosses me the Eff out.
Authors like Ginsberg, Kerouac, Burroughs, and Hunter Thompson were followed by rich college posers, 17 year old freshmen who thought they knew what life was all about from reading Naked Lunch, On the Road, or Fear and Loathing... I met some of them in freshmen dorm. Funny thing, there were a LOT fewer of them at commencement! I wonder why?
They're still taking classes
He literally was a NAMBLA spokesperson why do we still idolize him
I worked TV talk shows and though we at times would book someone for the time allotted for the entire show we always had other like guests in the wings. Word may have gotten back to Buckley's people that Jack was inebriated and in order to save the live show they inserted the other two guests to help carry the show if it went entirely south. Kerouac was fairly good despite his drunkenness. Made for good live TV.
I am sure it may have diminished the image of Kerouac in the eyes of some of his fans. Buckley managed the show wonderfully. He at no time belittled Jack on the air but played along.
WABC-TV morning show host Stanley Siegal in the '70s was also sympathetic to a drunk and tranquilized Truman Capote live on the air and it was headlines in newspapers within the hour.
Ginsberg's entire adult life was an act. He should have played "Wacky Beatnik Poet" on "Gilligan's Island." He wasn't worthy to be on Buckley's show as a peer of Jack Kerouac.
The Kesey quote I recently (like last week) read about Ginsberg was how cool-headed and quick he was: "Ginsberg and some others were in the back [of the bus] on a mattress, and we got pulled over by a cop for a taillight or something. The cop looked in the back, and there was Ginsberg on top of this, well, boy, really. And the cop looked in back, said, "What's going on?" "Sir," Allen said, "he is having an epileptic seizure. I have to hold him down." That was it. Phew. [Another] example[s] of his courage and his humor." Uh, "boy, really??!" Who cares if you use young impressionable people for your sex objects? Just the way of the "Libertine," I suppose. Tra-la-la.
farswept Nothing wrong with it, if it's consensual sex, at least that's my opinion... All this crap about "Young, impressionable people" is just utter nonsense. Rape is rape, no matter what age, I agree on that. But consensual sex is consensual sex, again, NO MATTER what age. You didn't give the date of that quote and the quote doesn't say when this incident occured. We all know that there was once a time when homosexuals where hated by anyone who wasn't one himself (and in many parts of the world, this is still the case). The cop would've probably arrested them for indecent behaviour or some other bullshit...
He should have arrested the degenerate. Hopefully someone will arrest you too.
Some humanizing ramblings of yours...only to arrive at your sick conclusion and defence of a despicable man.
50% drunk... 100% live ..... pray for us all.
My respect for Ginsberg just went up a notch, which is saying something. It's a really interesting way to look at the whole Kerouac/Buckley debacle.
the power and beauty of The Beats was their uncanny Openness to life and all its myriad incantations...they were ultimately Understanding at a time where Understanding was a rare & dangerous commodity, this is precisely why they were so radically influential...
currently reading GINSBERG the biography. It's difficult to take him seriously knowing now his very strange sex life.
Pedophiles are never cool. It just overrides everything else. Take it one step further and realize he was a charter starter member of the North American Man Boy Love Association and fully endorsed screwing male children. Sick bastard.
You are brave for saying what many think privately
He was a pedophile
@@williamwooten6156 There's nothing brave or private about it. It just doesn't have anything to do with his art.
7:36 60 years on, we can say without doubt that Senator McCarthy was right on the money. No wonder he was so besmirched. They knew back then.
Allen, Walt´s spiritual son, watched, lonely, over America ... can see it .. and, he made it! He did his work. Lovely face .. he found himself!
I’m reeling
Under
The diplomats of weather
I subscribed to HenryK, because he looks like a nice fellow to drink with and he's obviously very intelligent posting such smart video-clips for the world to marvel over. What a great guy.
Prophetic Truth from Allen Ginsberg at the end there.
I watched this interview - Buckey didn't know what to think - Kerouac was great even if he was drunk, which was common during that time, especially in the workplace. I admire watching anything about him. I bet the ratings if they had them then, were excellent. - much of what #jackKerouac rings true in our world today.
I believe Jack when he says that he forgot that "scholar's" name. Jack was pure... almost to a default. Jack was pure and naive.
I had a Professor at VCU who reminded me of Ginsberg. Dr. Berry I believe.
He was right looking back on it. "tragicomic revelation beauty". At the time it must have been a mess but we're reflecting now on what it actually was.
Christ. when ginsberg riffed with buckley it was a love song. Buckley looked like a school girl in love.
Can the Marshall hotel return my copy of "On the Road".
Jason Mantzoukas-David Cross-Allen Ginsberg, , I cannot PROVE they are all the same weirdo time traveling hipster poet, but I have NEVER seen them all in the same place at the same time!
You can find that interview on youtube. Kerouac was absolutely trashed. That was a bad situation for him.
Superb. Thank you.
When you create a dream for the world that seems more real then real the morning after can go on for the rest of your life…Thanks Jack.😎
Big Sur is the #JackKerouac masterpiece.. #book #writer #kerouac
Why are they trying to white out my Uncle Robert Kaufman, BOB KAUFMAN, original BEAT POET. My Uncle Robert created the Beat movement. Uncle Robert created the word BEATNIK. NEW ORLEANS BORN. TONTI STREET. 7TH WARD. HE IS OURS.
Your Uncle will always be remembered by those who know his work. I remember first hearing about him because of his decade long vow of silence. there is no words to describe the level of character and discipline he had.
I hope you and your family are doing well.
"Coattails."
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Die waren versenkt in ihren Buchten ...
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Die die gepflügt unter
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Für immer.
All diese Kriege und Waffenstillstände
Tanzen die Jahre hinunter -
Alles in drei Fahnenschwingertagen
Abgelehnte Bedeutung von Gott -
Mein Körper war einst mit Schönheit bedeckt
Jetzt ein Museum von Verrat.
Dieser Teil ist erinnert wegen jemandes Berührung
Dieser Teil ist erinnert an jemandes Kuß -
Heute bring ich es zurück
Und lasse dich ewig im Leben.
Ich atme ein atemloses I love you
und bewege dich
Für immer.
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Und eines Tages wird die Judenkönigin tanzen
Die Straße hinunter mit den Hunden
Und sie macht jeden Juden
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@Seppi Seppsen no.
Seppi Seppsen take your anti-white sentiments elsewhere, bud.
There was a fertility and it shows in the tenor of the conversation. These were not sound bites, and so, were not sound-bytten.
I could see David Cross portraying Ginsberg in a movie about hippies.
David Cross plays a good David Cross; fuck knows if and what is under the surface.
wild and windblown this Kerouac out there in the twilight under the railroad pass. and buckley from oxford or the rivers in their sadness in Europe or maybe from new yawk city. buckley has an accent like money and lots of it down on ninth street in the wet dawn streets of the city. and ginsberg and his good road buddy carlo marx and his beaten lampshade views of the lemon trees of Berkley and the clean lean streets of frisco in the cold blown dawn. the beach and dunes retreating from the wind and the constant slash of the ocean and the ocean moves out to the right past McCarthy who was a bum and a bully and drunk too but at least he didn't murder 100 million like lenin with his fur chin and poet cap and stalin made of steel and leaning over burrow dogs. so in America I myself am out here in my own twilight thinking of drunk jack in rumpy jacket on broken buckley chair, and neal out there in eternity, and the road, the immensity of it, kola bear in greenasgrass knickers, and the lemon trees and the lemon pledge and the wind blowing, and all of just an infinitesimal logic the unbalanced mind tries to leave behind. I think of you jack Kerouac. I even think of sally the girl I never knew. I think of you jack Kerouac.
+t mac you just earned a fan
+t mac Sorry,, drunk rambling is not poetry. Half the shit you typed there makes little sense. Don't quit your day job.
+TheDirtyyoungman1 can you write something better
It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense, it sounds good whatever it is,
t mac that was pretty good
When you become very very real, politics become a trivial comedy. I feel that Jack Kerouac knew this.
You got the the Buckley demise and the Kerouac rise correct. First prediction to come true. Congratulations.
From 8:30 onward is a great example of why Ginsburg was an insightful and brilliant guy. Apply what he says here to the last decade, and the years we have ahead.
Does google products come with documentation/user information?
People talk about that interview (the firing line) as if there was acrimony or conflict of some kind between Kerouak and Buckley but i have no idea why, obviously Kerouaks inebriation added an incoherence that Buckley would've preferred less of but over all they're the only two present between whom theres is no spite...I think people are seeing something because they want it to be so...because they think that Buckleys "type" shouldn't be getting along with Kerouaks "type"...I'm not sure if I like Buckely as much as Kerouak appears to necessarily but they're both literary men and theres no reason why literary men shouldn't have a mutual respect for one another and despite the fact that kerouak was in no condition to give a regular substantive interview that respect is apparent he
That interview is available on TH-cam. Kerouac was drunk and silly. Sure, you could see intelligence, but it was drowned by intoxication.
Good documentary 👍🏾
Encycl Britannica
Beat movement, also called Beat Generation, American social and literary movement originating in the 1950s and centred in the bohemian artist communities of San Francisco’s North Beach, Los Angeles’ Venice West, and New York City’s Greenwich Village. Its adherents, self-styled as “beat” (originally meaning “weary,” but later also connoting a musical sense, a “beatific” spirituality, and other meanings) and derisively called “beatniks,” expressed their alienation from conventional, or “square,” society by adopting a style of dress, manners, and “hip” vocabulary borrowed from jazz musicians. They advocated personal release, purification, and illumination through the heightened sensory awareness that might be induced by drugs, jazz, sex, or the disciplines of Zen Buddhism. The Beats and their advocates found the joylessness and purposelessness of modern society sufficient justification for both withdrawal and protest. ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITTANICA
They were so enamored of themselves.
No what we have now are no talent clowns enameled with their own unearned celebrity. What we had then was a legitimate movement in art
Stephen Hargrave They we’re actually writers. I think most of their popularity came from the poems and books they were writing.
why don't they sell glasses like these anymore? i had to make my own from some aviators and they aren't quite as good. he had the best style besides burroughs.
Most good opticians in large cities have a fine selection of spectacles in this style. Both vintage and new. Of course, if you don't have the ability to travel there? I admire your creative spirit; your resourcefulness.
Ed Sanders was thoughtful and caring and smart and knowledgible
damn, he's so right. the level of foresight...
He didn't mention Jacks comment on throwing him to the lions,as they did to him.He clearly had alcohol problems,disrespect to an icon.
Yup. Alc. destroed him. VERY dangerous drug indeed !!!
Does anyone know what year is this from?
I wonder how different ginsberg life would have been without heroin addiction and Kerouac without his alcohol addiction...we will never know
ginsberg was never addicted to heroin
Ginsberg bends the truth to suit his own politics. Kerouac did not say 'South Vietnamese' as well as make any partisan statement about capitalist/communist politics, as Ginsberg falsely recalls. Kerouac in fact said "In the first place, I think that the Vietnamese War is nothing but a plot between the North Vietnamese and the South Vietnamese - who are cousins- to get Jeeps in the country."
Does The Marshall Hotel still own "On the Road" and does that help good in America?
Ginsberg is being way too kind to Kerouac here. I watched the Buckley interview immediately prior to watching this one. He clearly said the *North* Vietnamese *and* the South Vietnamese were staging the war in order to get Jeeps. And while clearly thrown off by this, Buckley did have a reaction: the "Jeeps" have turned out to be very expensive. Kerouac was by this point a reactionary drunk. Sanders was a bit ignorant of politics outside the US but had good ideas and wasn't phoning it in. The professor, well... watch it for yourself...
I love how Kerouac wanted Buckley to be President because of his style.
Aww I was hoping Ed would sing a Fugs song for us