I chose 6p as I agree, it did seem the most natural. I have great respect for analog reasoning however, and the reasoning for MrFeng's choice made a lot of sense. It feels like there is a lot of practical wisdom behind the choice.
I also chose 8m but only because of the WWYD format. In a real game setting it's still very hard for me to realise when a situation calls for an analog decison, so I probably would have dropped 6p in practice. Good on you for at least realising it was a moment worth photoing!
I thought of the 8m, too, because if you did 6p and got into tenpai without drawing 7m, then your wait is not only bad but involves the dora. I might discard 6p out of greed though. I'll admit I didn't even think of telegraphed manzu honitsu. I should probably work on watching for that more.
wow! a very insightful video. I would have thought people would choose 6p for the efficiency and the haneman that 3 doras + iipeikou pinfu and riichi can bring if I hit it, but feng's reasoning makes sense as well and I would not have thought of that.
I also would have said 6p and rejected chiitoitsu. I didn't consider 8m and that shows I still have so much to learn. When I worked on WWYD problems with Uzaku's books, I noticed it was hard for me to find the answer of problems asking for me to go back a shanten.
i am bad, so i would probably change every game, just get rid of both 9sou, it makes more slower hand, but also way more accepting tiles and likely higher scoring hands, also it will give you way more information of the game.
Even without analogue reasoning, 8m looks like a good discard. Our hand needs speed over value, and dropping 8m-9m increases chances of a good tenpai. But under time pressure, I'd probably cut 2s here for the broadest improvement chance. Chiitoi just seems too slow, so I am not really considering it, either.
Is it better to riichi here? My main ideas following the discards I was thinking about (6p or 3s, ultimately I decided 6p) were to dama, as both routes can dama on at least a mangan (IPK dora 3 or chiitoi dora 3) and both can maybe upgrade to hane with pinfu + tsumo/just tsumo. Plus, since we don’t have to worry about toimen busting, we can take the dama to garuntee the renchan.
Really not sure tbh. I'll prob dama if waiting on the 7m since I can't count on anyone discarding it if I riichi. If waiting on the pinzu or souzu suits then I think there is an argument both ways whether to riichi or dama (but I will probably dama and best case scenario would be to snipe kamicha's discards)
I like cutting 7p or 3s, dama chiitoi on tenpai-- its haneman if we tsumo but slow For efficiency, going 5 block is fine. But the final wait is likely to be penchan 7m which sucks I think the decision kind of comes down to whether you want to tenpai faster at the cost of a bad final wait, or if you want to go back shanten to improve the wait.
I would discard 2s here. I think the normal hand path is stronger than chiitoi, so 3s is out, and I'm not willing to give up on the opportunity to draw 7m into an amazing tenpai for pinfu iipeikou dora3, so 8m is out as well. I am, however, happy to cut 89m if we can immediately replace it with a ryanmen block without dropping shanten. Therefore, instead of max efficiency 6p, I'll cut 2s to give ourselves a good opportunity to draw a new ryanmen shape around 5667p.
Really curious to see what naga thinks about this, maybe there's no correct answer for this and what matters is the reasoning behind the discard? At a glance I would probably cut penchan just cause the hand is minimum 3han 40fu and I don't like this ippeikou penchan shape as well. After thinking I would probably just cut 6p as well for early riichi and for tsumo to overtake kamicha
Would the WRC ruleset means we ignore red 5? Anyways, if it were me, I'd cut 6p as well. We're far behind 1st and I'd like the chance to draw another 7m. I think it's early enough to bet the other 7m is still in the wall even if kamicha is hoarding manzu tiles. Plus, with iipeikou guaranteed, we don't strictly have to riichi if we ever get to tenpai
@Xanxust1 tysm, btw do you have a video teaching about how to use log to improve? i wanted to start checking my logs, but idk how to properly use it 😭 like why there are grey tiles idk 😭😭
I chose 6p as I agree, it did seem the most natural. I have great respect for analog reasoning however, and the reasoning for MrFeng's choice made a lot of sense. It feels like there is a lot of practical wisdom behind the choice.
I also chose 8m but only because of the WWYD format. In a real game setting it's still very hard for me to realise when a situation calls for an analog decison, so I probably would have dropped 6p in practice. Good on you for at least realising it was a moment worth photoing!
I thought of the 8m, too, because if you did 6p and got into tenpai without drawing 7m, then your wait is not only bad but involves the dora. I might discard 6p out of greed though. I'll admit I didn't even think of telegraphed manzu honitsu. I should probably work on watching for that more.
Awesome Video， thanks for the shoutout~
The 8m reasoning def took me off guard. Def think that's an option I'm underutilizing in my play. Thanks for the video.
wow! a very insightful video. I would have thought people would choose 6p for the efficiency and the haneman that 3 doras + iipeikou pinfu and riichi can bring if I hit it, but feng's reasoning makes sense as well and I would not have thought of that.
I also would have said 6p and rejected chiitoitsu. I didn't consider 8m and that shows I still have so much to learn. When I worked on WWYD problems with Uzaku's books, I noticed it was hard for me to find the answer of problems asking for me to go back a shanten.
i am bad, so i would probably change every game, just get rid of both 9sou, it makes more slower hand, but also way more accepting tiles and likely higher scoring hands, also it will give you way more information of the game.
Definitely 6p. The problem with analog reasoning is sometimes you overanalyze the situation. Math and statistical analysis are king.
Would disagree with you on this, the best players in the world know both the theory and when to apply the exceptions
It‘s one of those situations, no matters what you do, you are going to be wrong 😅
Even without analogue reasoning, 8m looks like a good discard. Our hand needs speed over value, and dropping 8m-9m increases chances of a good tenpai.
But under time pressure, I'd probably cut 2s here for the broadest improvement chance. Chiitoi just seems too slow, so I am not really considering it, either.
Is it better to riichi here? My main ideas following the discards I was thinking about (6p or 3s, ultimately I decided 6p) were to dama, as both routes can dama on at least a mangan (IPK dora 3 or chiitoi dora 3) and both can maybe upgrade to hane with pinfu + tsumo/just tsumo. Plus, since we don’t have to worry about toimen busting, we can take the dama to garuntee the renchan.
Really not sure tbh. I'll prob dama if waiting on the 7m since I can't count on anyone discarding it if I riichi. If waiting on the pinzu or souzu suits then I think there is an argument both ways whether to riichi or dama (but I will probably dama and best case scenario would be to snipe kamicha's discards)
I like cutting 7p or 3s, dama chiitoi on tenpai-- its haneman if we tsumo but slow
For efficiency, going 5 block is fine. But the final wait is likely to be penchan 7m which sucks
I think the decision kind of comes down to whether you want to tenpai faster at the cost of a bad final wait, or if you want to go back shanten to improve the wait.
I would discard 2s here. I think the normal hand path is stronger than chiitoi, so 3s is out, and I'm not willing to give up on the opportunity to draw 7m into an amazing tenpai for pinfu iipeikou dora3, so 8m is out as well. I am, however, happy to cut 89m if we can immediately replace it with a ryanmen block without dropping shanten. Therefore, instead of max efficiency 6p, I'll cut 2s to give ourselves a good opportunity to draw a new ryanmen shape around 5667p.
Really curious to see what naga thinks about this, maybe there's no correct answer for this and what matters is the reasoning behind the discard? At a glance I would probably cut penchan just cause the hand is minimum 3han 40fu and I don't like this ippeikou penchan shape as well. After thinking I would probably just cut 6p as well for early riichi and for tsumo to overtake kamicha
3s, go big or go home
Would the WRC ruleset means we ignore red 5? Anyways, if it were me, I'd cut 6p as well. We're far behind 1st and I'd like the chance to draw another 7m. I think it's early enough to bet the other 7m is still in the wall even if kamicha is hoarding manzu tiles. Plus, with iipeikou guaranteed, we don't strictly have to riichi if we ever get to tenpai
We usually play WRC ruleset with 3 aka 5
@@Xanxust1 ah I see then. Still would cut 6p for the reason above. Tho I might not riichi unless I draw another 7m myself.
Where in SG are there places to play riichi mahjong?
There's a SgRiichi website with instructions on how to join and play publicly hosted games!
@@Xanxust1 cool I’ll check it after exams
heyy, do you have a discord server?
Yup! Link is here:
discord.gg/VrvX4Kmr7j
@Xanxust1 tysm, btw do you have a video teaching about how to use log to improve? i wanted to start checking my logs, but idk how to properly use it 😭 like why there are grey tiles idk 😭😭