I have a Antique Early turn of Century Snapshot photo of a very old Red Cloud sitting in a Tipi with 4-5 other old Sioux Warriors 🇺🇸 Great Historical Video- enjoyed it!!!
I fell in love with the Oglala people as a young boy. I had read a book called Crazy Horse by Shannon Garst. When I got older, I visited the Black Hills of South Dakota. I visited Bear Butte. Sat and talked a great deal with a middle aged Lakota woman. She answered all my questions. Shared her insight on historical events there. I found a copy of that Crazy Horse book at a book store recently and bought it. I hope to read it to my great grandchildren.
We cannot get unite at Sand Creek..we can only agree that warriors defended the honour of different points of territory. Give respect to those people hat died... give equal honour to each. A man is a Man. Serve your family with honour. To that is given respect and grace.
Man, This is some crazy history! So sad what happened, but Native Ideology (Taking care of the environment) is proving true. Now our environmental laws are shaped in that way. And how the land cannot belong to anyone, it’s just borrowed until it can no longer be taken care of or protected. Look at the situation with Russia and China currently. If we cannot protect or properly care for our land, it will be taken from us. Enormous changes in lifestyles and ways of thinking change in a blink of an eye (50-100 years). These accounts and history is one clear example, it is by no means the last!? History repeats itself. Keep up the good work, these are amazing. Thanks from Colorado
Such interesting history. Great narration! I walk up and down the Cherry Creek Trail. There are posts on the trail to tell about the native Americans camping and trading.
I love watching these in bulk and then dropping straight knowledge like I’m smarter then people. I’ve asked a thousand times but man if only you could do one on the GREATEST ABOLITIONIST JOHN BROWN. Not to mention people like John Wilkes Booth were present at his hanging and Robert E. Lee also helped end his ambitions
The story of the family getting killed SE of Denver is vary close to a place called third bridge. Back in high school many years ago we would go out to that bridge at night. Let me tell you that sh"t was crazy. Everything from hearing people mumble, to handprints on cars when no one got out. There has been many deaths there in the last 150 years. When I was 15 me and some friends where driving through that area at 2:40am and stumbled upon a suburban on its lid down a 25' ditch. All 3 kids where dead. There are some compiled stories of all the death that has happened on kiowa creek look into it its nuts. Now there getting ready to build houses on that land. I wouldn't. It is sacred ground over here and they are pissing some spirits off
The explanation to the origin of the name 'Sioux' in the intro is too simple. The word is short for 'Nadowessioux', meaning 'little snakes', which was a spiteful nickname given by the Chippewa or Ojibwe, a longtime foe. It was the fur traders and trappers, many of the French speaking, who abbreviated this name to 'Sioux', which over the years have developed into common use. However, using terms like 'Oglala Sioux', 'Mnikowoju Sioux', or the 'Sioux Nation' is quite a paradox, but probably a partly result from lack of another common term, which seems to be a touchy subject to some. Regardless, the tribe prefers 'Dakota', 'Lakota', or 'Nakota', depending on the dialect spoken.
It has been repeated many times in the past that Indians never recognized land ownership but they did recognize hunting grounds as their territory which is essentially the same thing. Even though they were asked to mark out their land and appoint a representative they stubbornly refused to do it. They had to know signing something they didn’t understand would eventually lead to disaster. This is called closing your eyes to reality. In order to fight your enemy you have to know your enemy and they needed to send people Into the white man’s world to learn their ways. This was done but maybe nobody listen. The huge wagon trains in the early to mid 1800s showed them the danger they were up against. A very sad story because they refused to adapt effectively to the danger.
The US government was worried the 'Mormons' and 'Native Americans' might get too friendly and sent the army out in the Utah War. No blood was shed though gurilla tactics were used. The army post was established to try to, according to one letter, lure Mormon women into marrying army men and then immediately relocating them to California. It is likely this was also used against First Nations people to "dilute" them into not existing. So many bad policies it could be a class all by itself... It could be called "screwy policies and failures in government." It might help us not repeat errors, or at least help us see them before they get root.
The English used that tactic against the Scottish. Prima nocta or first night was a law established by the English king that gave an English lord the first night with any Scottish bride marrying a Scotsman. He said they would breed them out.
It is disgusting what the government did to the native Americans! History remembers many of the officers of that time on the western frontier hero's, they were butchers who committed genocide! The spirit of the native Americana was broken and if you drive thru areas where natives live today, you will see many are still broken. Its truly sad!!
@CinRife Sir, I very happy to hear you're not broken, I meant no offense, I was only commenting on what I saw in the mid 90s while traveling through North&South Dakota and Iowa. I am disgusted by what the ancestors of my race did to yours. I wish you a great life sir
In the history of the Plains wars, "The Long Death," it is alleged that during the massacre of Sand Creek two "hostile" children were brought to Chivington and he was asked what to do with them. His alleged response" "Nits make lice."
The part about the whites killing buffalo and not honouring them, as being somehow provocative of the Lokata is a little strange, considering the Natives would stampede entire herds off of cliffs, take what they wanted/needed, and then leave the rest to rot in the sun or be picked apart by scavengers ... how do you square that circle?
And how he said on the Oregon trail white people would die and bury their dead in shallow graves and their rotting corps would pollute the air". Was there really that many people that died and were buried that close together that it polluted the air with stench? And if it did think how is that the white man's fault? The natives were interesting people and they had a very interesting Society. But they were not perfect they did not walk on water they were people and they had flaws and they get some really dark Sinister things themselves with quit making me God's out of people. They were fallible.
They did it to eat..not to exterminate..even if there was wasted buffalo..you know the truth..if you want to say they were not Disney peaceful then ok..but don't equal anything as the exact same like a buffoon
@@jessecaldwell9970 and the Whites did it to make money so that they could feed and clothe *_their_* families. The point being, *_both_* Natives and Whites killed entire herds of buffalo and took what they wanted, needed, and then left the rest to rot in the sun or be eaten by scavengers ... and yet only the Whites actions are painted in a bad light. The truth is, the Natives could have hunted and killed just the number of buffalo they needed, but that would have been harder, so they instead chose the easy route of killing entire herds, and then just taking what they wanted. The point being, it doesn't matter if you're native, or white, or black, humans are humans, and we all have ancestors that did really crappy things ... and if we're honest, we've all done really crappy things too, and until we realize that, and admit that fact, we're never going to get over the racist BS of painting one tribe better or worse than another.
@@beowulf.reborn whatever natives were doing, it is estimated that the Great Plains here was between 30 and 60 million. So obviously their methods were sustainable. Just a few decades of commercial hunting for fun and profit drove the population to near extinction leaving less than a 1000 individual bison. I would also point out, no white person ever actually witnessed a buffalo jump. What is recorded and imagined by various artists all comes from oral histories. There is almost no evidence of buffalo jumps being used past the 1700s. So it doesn’t seem that the use of buffalo jumps among the nomadic horse culture that emerged on the plains was much of a thing. So when you talk about “Natives” you have to be specific about time and place, cause you can’t just lump all Native cultures into one group. As far as Natives being wasteful and killing off whole herds, it doesn’t seem that archeological evidence supports that. The biggest site is probably the Ulm site, so an estimated 6000 animals killed over a period more than a thousand years. The Rock Shelter site in Texas has a bone bed of 800 animals either killed all at once or over a very short period, strangely all females and yearlings. So obviously they were being selective somehow and not killing whole herds. About being wasteful, archeology evidence doesn’t support that notion either. I’ve have only read the reports on half dozen sites or so, but they all point to near 100% dis articulation, meaning they were nearly all butchered. Same thing with skulls being cracked open, nearly 100%, which means they were tanning almost all the hides. I’m not trying to paint any particular culture in a good or bad light. Everyone is going to act in a way that they think is in their own best interest. It’s obvious that a nomadic horse warrior culture isn’t going to be tolerated for very long in a country with expansionist policies. But the notion that Natives were wasteful in their use of resources isn’t the sword you want to throw yourself on, because objectively that argument just falls apart when you start looking at the evidence.
@@beowulf.reborn . I don't say one is better or worse than another.. even when worse things came with one ..the people are still people whatever tribe they come from
The fact you are saying the fort Laramie treaty was about protecting the Oregon trail, may be was a secondary reason. From 1840-1860 only 400 travelers died because of Indian attacks, with many happenings west of the Rockies. 20,000 people died of sickness on the trail. Yes they left stuff behind but the west is a vast place, and this was not a reason for war.
Treaty breaking and atrocities were common on both sides. Largely because neither side could understand the other if they wanted to. In recent times we've decided to pretend one side were purely innocent victims. That dishonors every group involved.
Glad someone else is stating this. Nowadays it's just the Whites who get blamed for all the shit that happened, even though if one reads through the historical accounts it's clear both Whites and Natives committed horrible acts. But yet, if you mention that fact, you're either called an idiot or the evilest word to the far left. Racist. Gods forbid we just be honest and tell it how it actually happened eh?
Hey I got a question if the Sioux smashed into the crow and almost made the Pawnee extinct. Wouldn't that be considered Massacre wouldn't that be considered stealing their land and taking over their livelihood and area wouldn't that be a bad thing? But somehow that's Noble when they do it to each other but when English Europeans came over it was horrible it was tragic it was disgusting period really got to stop the double standard
@@JB-uv4hm nice deflection from a valid point and what the oc is talking about happened more often than once or twice. I get it, you don’t like the point he’s making so you jump to a put down. Just like your other comments… trying to make yourself into what exactly? Pretending to be intelligent yet refusing to listen to a different point of view? That’s just a shortcut to thought and nothing else. Keep reading Howard Zinn and putting down anyone that disagrees with you as it really shows your brilliance!
@@charliemike13 you believe pointing out that there was tribal conflict and even intra tribal conflict is some revelation? If you knew anything about that, you’d know more often than not, that was driven by direct or indirect Anglo/Euro influence. For example, the Lakota didn’t fall upon the Pawnee until they were decimated by Euro diseases, whiskey and pressed from the east by the white hoards with their bibles in one hand and a rifle in the other. But hey I saw Bobby hit Timmy, so I’m justified in destroying Bobby and his entire extended family is the perfect excuse if it makes you feel better.
@@davidnichols1943 your ‘confusion’ starts with not actually listening to the pod. Plenty of ref to tribal warfare. Sand Creek was a massacre. An excellent example at ethnic cleansing.
@@phillipwasson2980 they killed a few settlers in western Kansas, the army went to the tribe asked to give them up they refused. Army killed who they thought was responsible anyways. The tribe burned julesburg and attempted to kill all settlers along the south platte was stopped at fort wicked. Army responses was sand creek
@@jessecaldwell4195 western Kansas and eastern Colorado are sparely populated today, back then there may have been maybe a thousand white people in the land. There were plenty of Buffalo back then, I think it was just straight up greed then retaliation by each side.
@@jasonbush7236 . The gov. and military would never enforce the treaties ..in order to enforce treaties the military would of had to monitor lines and round up all law breaking squatters or kill them if they resisted with deadly force..and they would not jail or kill thier own citizens..they probably would never be able to stop people completely even if they did try and enforce the law because so many were rushing in at once. It was a screwed up situation in multiple ways..I'm grateful we live in the now only things need to be made better for the Cheyenne..and others..for all of us truly.
Fairly good if romanticized telling of the tail but when you described the outrage of the Indian when Buffalo were killed for only their skin and tounge well maybe in the 1880s when the herds were about gone but in the 1850s my grandfather's grandfather arrested 8 Indians in weber County ut for killing 20 Geer and only taking the hind quarters. After they got a slap on the rist. They threatened him saying maybe we see you on the mountian. His reply not if I see you first
Of course they did..these particular ones mainly didn't because they lived where hunting was the main thing..they could trade for baskets or pottery ..
@@danishsailing4630 yea well einstein weve all read it but that dont mean we "know" it happened...even if they did you really think they just wasted whatever was killed??? Or did you read that too.???? "what is history but mans continuation of a lie" "if you tell that lie enough to the people..they will believe this as fact" ya gotta run deeper than Nat.Geo.Mag.
The most common story is about how the Spaniards fled and left many horses to the wild due to the Pueblo Revolt of 1680. It was in what now is New Mexico, and the Apache, Navajo and Ute were the first tribes to make use of them, even as a source of food. However, animals lost or abandoned by the DeSoto and Coronado expeditions 1540-1542 to modern day Alabama, could possibly have furnished a stock of wild horses that made an impact on groups of natives much eralier than the late 1600's. Nevertheless, this is highly arguable.
I have a Antique Early turn of Century Snapshot photo of a very old Red Cloud sitting in a Tipi with 4-5 other old Sioux Warriors 🇺🇸 Great Historical Video- enjoyed it!!!
Red Cloud was an amazing Dude
I fell in love with the Oglala people as a young boy. I had read a book called Crazy Horse by Shannon Garst. When I got older, I visited the Black Hills of South Dakota. I visited Bear Butte. Sat and talked a great deal with a middle aged Lakota woman. She answered all my questions. Shared her insight on historical events there. I found a copy of that Crazy Horse book at a book store recently and bought it. I hope to read it to my great grandchildren.
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Great history lesson of one of the deepest hours of mankind.
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We cannot get unite at Sand Creek..we can only agree that warriors defended the honour of different points of territory. Give respect to those people hat died... give equal honour to each. A man is a Man. Serve your family with honour. To that is given respect and grace.
Apparently, not necessarily as a bluecoat…
@@MothaLuva . Why would you say that ?
@@UncagedSavage Because I don’t like them.
@@MothaLuva . yeah..wasn't much liking them when they showed up marching through our trails
@@UncagedSavage I sure can relate to that.
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Man,
This is some crazy history!
So sad what happened, but Native Ideology (Taking care of the environment) is proving true.
Now our environmental laws are shaped in that way.
And how the land cannot belong to anyone, it’s just borrowed until it can no longer be taken care of or protected.
Look at the situation with Russia and China currently. If we cannot protect or properly care for our land, it will be taken from us.
Enormous changes in lifestyles and ways of thinking change in a blink of an eye (50-100 years).
These accounts and history is one clear example, it is by no means the last!?
History repeats itself.
Keep up the good work, these are amazing.
Thanks from Colorado
Such interesting history. Great narration!
I walk up and down the Cherry Creek Trail. There are posts on the trail to tell about the native Americans camping and trading.
I love these. It makes me wish I was in a time we lived by the gun and fight to survive and live on the land we were given by the creator.
When the Sioux got guns from the French and horses from the English they promptly wiped out 12 tribes to the west of them and moved out of Minnesota
Good video.
Excellent as always 👌
I love watching these in bulk and then dropping straight knowledge like I’m smarter then people. I’ve asked a thousand times but man if only you could do one on the GREATEST ABOLITIONIST JOHN BROWN. Not to mention people like John Wilkes Booth were present at his hanging and Robert E. Lee also helped end his ambitions
The dark day's in American history.
And it has never changed to this day
Uh huh.
The story of the family getting killed SE of Denver is vary close to a place called third bridge. Back in high school many years ago we would go out to that bridge at night. Let me tell you that sh"t was crazy. Everything from hearing people mumble, to handprints on cars when no one got out. There has been many deaths there in the last 150 years. When I was 15 me and some friends where driving through that area at 2:40am and stumbled upon a suburban on its lid down a 25' ditch. All 3 kids where dead. There are some compiled stories of all the death that has happened on kiowa creek look into it its nuts. Now there getting ready to build houses on that land. I wouldn't. It is sacred ground over here and they are pissing some spirits off
I’d like to go there. Sounds very creepy!
@@leeanntrain8835 it's the last bridge before you hit Kiowa Benit going east on County Line Rd in between Elbert and Arapahoe County in Colorado
The Sioux was a cruel..savage enemy
The explanation to the origin of the name 'Sioux' in the intro is too simple. The word is short for 'Nadowessioux', meaning 'little snakes', which was a spiteful nickname given by the Chippewa or Ojibwe, a longtime foe. It was the fur traders and trappers, many of the French speaking, who abbreviated this name to 'Sioux', which over the years have developed into common use. However, using terms like 'Oglala Sioux', 'Mnikowoju Sioux', or the 'Sioux Nation' is quite a paradox, but probably a partly result from lack of another common term, which seems to be a touchy subject to some. Regardless, the tribe prefers 'Dakota', 'Lakota', or 'Nakota', depending on the dialect spoken.
How do the Oglala, Hunkpapa, Mnikowoju Sioux fit in with Nakota, Dakota, Lakota?
@@drstrangelove4998 I believe I heard this described toward the beginning of this podcast. They are tribes of the Lakota.
Lakota French. I can't undo my genetics. Never wanted to. UNDERSTANDING customs and history is necessary to not be... lost.
Old Smoke sure sounds like a peacetime Chief ;-)
It has been repeated many times in the past that Indians never recognized land ownership but they did recognize hunting grounds as their territory which is essentially the same thing. Even though they were asked to mark out their land and appoint a representative they stubbornly refused to do it. They had to know signing something they didn’t understand would eventually lead to disaster. This is called closing your eyes to reality. In order to fight your enemy you have to know your enemy and they needed to send people Into the white man’s world to learn their ways. This was done but maybe nobody listen. The huge wagon trains in the early to mid 1800s showed them the danger they were up against. A very sad story because they refused to adapt effectively to the danger.
I'm changing my name to Red Cloud tomorrow morning.
The US government was worried the 'Mormons' and 'Native Americans' might get too friendly and sent the army out in the Utah War. No blood was shed though gurilla tactics were used. The army post was established to try to, according to one letter, lure Mormon women into marrying army men and then immediately relocating them to California. It is likely this was also used against First Nations people to "dilute" them into not existing. So many bad policies it could be a class all by itself... It could be called "screwy policies and failures in government." It might help us not repeat errors, or at least help us see them before they get root.
The English used that tactic against the Scottish. Prima nocta or first night was a law established by the English king that gave an English lord the first night with any Scottish bride marrying a Scotsman. He said they would breed them out.
The current U.S. government is trying to do something similar to certain groups
It is disgusting what the government did to the native Americans! History remembers many of the officers of that time on the western frontier hero's, they were butchers who committed genocide! The spirit of the native Americana was broken and if you drive thru areas where natives live today, you will see many are still broken. Its truly sad!!
I'm Lakota I ain't broken
@CinRife Sir, I very happy to hear you're not broken, I meant no offense, I was only commenting on what I saw in the mid 90s while traveling through North&South Dakota and Iowa.
I am disgusted by what the ancestors of my race did to yours.
I wish you a great life sir
I'm born n raised on this rez(rosebud) but am stronger for the the struggles we been thru
White man introduced the mustang to the injuns. And the Ford pickup.
And now a' days you twinkle toes give yourselves penal implants and carry pocket pussys
The Spanish introduced horses to the American West..
@@leeanntrain8835 Spanish are white (European).
Chivington and the First Colorado distinguished themselves for the Union during the New Mexico campaign in 1962. He was a Methodist minister.
A total coward who slaughtered women and children.
A true rabid dog barking bible verses
1962??? I think you mean 1862
Chivington was NOT a good person, neither was Custer
@@sandidavis820well said 👍
In the history of the Plains wars, "The Long Death," it is alleged that during the massacre of Sand Creek two "hostile" children were brought to Chivington and he was asked what to do with them. His alleged response" "Nits make lice."
The part about the whites killing buffalo and not honouring them, as being somehow provocative of the Lokata is a little strange, considering the Natives would stampede entire herds off of cliffs, take what they wanted/needed, and then leave the rest to rot in the sun or be picked apart by scavengers ... how do you square that circle?
And how he said on the Oregon trail white people would die and bury their dead in shallow graves and their rotting corps would pollute the air". Was there really that many people that died and were buried that close together that it polluted the air with stench? And if it did think how is that the white man's fault? The natives were interesting people and they had a very interesting Society. But they were not perfect they did not walk on water they were people and they had flaws and they get some really dark Sinister things themselves with quit making me God's out of people. They were fallible.
They did it to eat..not to exterminate..even if there was wasted buffalo..you know the truth..if you want to say they were not Disney peaceful then ok..but don't equal anything as the exact same like a buffoon
@@jessecaldwell9970 and the Whites did it to make money so that they could feed and clothe *_their_* families.
The point being, *_both_* Natives and Whites killed entire herds of buffalo and took what they wanted, needed, and then left the rest to rot in the sun or be eaten by scavengers ... and yet only the Whites actions are painted in a bad light.
The truth is, the Natives could have hunted and killed just the number of buffalo they needed, but that would have been harder, so they instead chose the easy route of killing entire herds, and then just taking what they wanted.
The point being, it doesn't matter if you're native, or white, or black, humans are humans, and we all have ancestors that did really crappy things ... and if we're honest, we've all done really crappy things too, and until we realize that, and admit that fact, we're never going to get over the racist BS of painting one tribe better or worse than another.
@@beowulf.reborn whatever natives were doing, it is estimated that the Great Plains here was between 30 and 60 million. So obviously their methods were sustainable. Just a few decades of commercial hunting for fun and profit drove the population to near extinction leaving less than a 1000 individual bison. I would also point out, no white person ever actually witnessed a buffalo jump. What is recorded and imagined by various artists all comes from oral histories. There is almost no evidence of buffalo jumps being used past the 1700s. So it doesn’t seem that the use of buffalo jumps among the nomadic horse culture that emerged on the plains was much of a thing. So when you talk about “Natives” you have to be specific about time and place, cause you can’t just lump all Native cultures into one group. As far as Natives being wasteful and killing off whole herds, it doesn’t seem that archeological evidence supports that. The biggest site is probably the Ulm site, so an estimated 6000 animals killed over a period more than a thousand years. The Rock Shelter site in Texas has a bone bed of 800 animals either killed all at once or over a very short period, strangely all females and yearlings. So obviously they were being selective somehow and not killing whole herds. About being wasteful, archeology evidence doesn’t support that notion either. I’ve have only read the reports on half dozen sites or so, but they all point to near 100% dis articulation, meaning they were nearly all butchered. Same thing with skulls being cracked open, nearly 100%, which means they were tanning almost all the hides.
I’m not trying to paint any particular culture in a good or bad light. Everyone is going to act in a way that they think is in their own best interest. It’s obvious that a nomadic horse warrior culture isn’t going to be tolerated for very long in a country with expansionist policies. But the notion that Natives were wasteful in their use of resources isn’t the sword you want to throw yourself on, because objectively that argument just falls apart when you start looking at the evidence.
@@beowulf.reborn . I don't say one is better or worse than another.. even when worse things came with one ..the people are still people whatever tribe they come from
Read “Destruction of The Bison “
Good thing they did...only be in the way now..
The fact you are saying the fort Laramie treaty was about protecting the Oregon trail, may be was a secondary reason. From 1840-1860 only 400 travelers died because of Indian attacks, with many happenings west of the Rockies. 20,000 people died of sickness on the trail. Yes they left stuff behind but the west is a vast place, and this was not a reason for war.
Complete sentences are a thing.
Horses were here long before the white man.
Over simplification of what happened.
Treaty breaking and atrocities were common on both sides. Largely because neither side could understand the other if they wanted to. In recent times we've decided to pretend one side were purely innocent victims. That dishonors every group involved.
Glad someone else is stating this. Nowadays it's just the Whites who get blamed for all the shit that happened, even though if one reads through the historical accounts it's clear both Whites and Natives committed horrible acts.
But yet, if you mention that fact, you're either called an idiot or the evilest word to the far left.
Racist.
Gods forbid we just be honest and tell it how it actually happened eh?
The white eye understood very well what they was writing up in their own treatys you see they where fluent in bullshit even back then
@@matthewgordonpettipas6773 that goes for the german army as well wouldnt you say
@@matthewgordonpettipas6773 why are you surprised the "COMMUNIST LED ALLIES"did the exact same thing in the 40s
@@matthewgordonpettipas6773 It took 4 months, but it seems that we got there after all.
Hey I got a question if the Sioux smashed into the crow and almost made the Pawnee extinct. Wouldn't that be considered Massacre wouldn't that be considered stealing their land and taking over their livelihood and area wouldn't that be a bad thing? But somehow that's Noble when they do it to each other but when English Europeans came over it was horrible it was tragic it was disgusting period really got to stop the double standard
You have a masters in what aboutism.
@@JB-uv4hm nice deflection from a valid point and what the oc is talking about happened more often than once or twice. I get it, you don’t like the point he’s making so you jump to a put down. Just like your other comments… trying to make yourself into what exactly? Pretending to be intelligent yet refusing to listen to a different point of view? That’s just a shortcut to thought and nothing else. Keep reading Howard Zinn and putting down anyone that disagrees with you as it really shows your brilliance!
@@JB-uv4hm I have confusion over the double standards and hypocrisies.
@@charliemike13 you believe pointing out that there was tribal conflict and even intra tribal conflict is some revelation?
If you knew anything about that, you’d know more often than not, that was driven by direct or indirect Anglo/Euro influence. For example, the Lakota didn’t fall upon the Pawnee until they were decimated by Euro diseases, whiskey and pressed from the east by the white hoards with their bibles in one hand and a rifle in the other.
But hey I saw Bobby hit Timmy, so I’m justified in destroying Bobby and his entire extended family is the perfect excuse if it makes you feel better.
@@davidnichols1943 your ‘confusion’ starts with not actually listening to the pod. Plenty of ref to tribal warfare. Sand Creek was a massacre. An excellent example at ethnic cleansing.
I use to live in Eastern Colorado, yes the Americans did a horrible thing at Sand creek, but the native Americans definitely started the war.
Absolute nonsense.
@@phillipwasson2980 they killed a few settlers in western Kansas, the army went to the tribe asked to give them up they refused. Army killed who they thought was responsible anyways. The tribe burned julesburg and attempted to kill all settlers along the south platte was stopped at fort wicked. Army responses was sand creek
That’s where you are dead wrong
@@jessecaldwell4195 western Kansas and eastern Colorado are sparely populated today, back then there may have been maybe a thousand white people in the land. There were plenty of Buffalo back then, I think it was just straight up greed then retaliation by each side.
@@jasonbush7236 . The gov. and military would never enforce the treaties ..in order to enforce treaties the military would of had to monitor lines and round up all law breaking squatters or kill them if they resisted with deadly force..and they would not jail or kill thier own citizens..they probably would never be able to stop people completely even if they did try and enforce the law because so many were rushing in at once. It was a screwed up situation in multiple ways..I'm grateful we live in the now only things need to be made better for the Cheyenne..and others..for all of us truly.
Wow, whitey sure was mean to those peace loving gardeners.
Yeah sure..you know there are innocents on both sides yet you make out like everyone thinks it's either all Disney or all mindless evil animals.🙄
🤠👍
When did the natives of United States of America accorded equal citizenship rights and voting rights.
Fairly good if romanticized telling of the tail but when you described the outrage of the Indian when Buffalo were killed for only their skin and tounge well maybe in the 1880s when the herds were about gone but in the 1850s my grandfather's grandfather arrested 8 Indians in weber County ut for killing 20 Geer and only taking the hind quarters. After they got a slap on the rist. They threatened him saying maybe we see you on the mountian. His reply not if I see you first
Native Americans didn't weave baskets or make pottery? what the hell?
Of course they did..these particular ones mainly didn't because they lived where hunting was the main thing..they could trade for baskets or pottery ..
Some did and some didn’t. Native Americans are not a homogeneous group of peoples.
@@drstrangelove4998 Lakotas painted both art and historical records on buffalo hides. They certainly made a variety of different crafts.
@@drstrangelove4998 Also they engaged in agriculture, more so before they moved to the plains, they also made things out of copper.
The Indians used to run whole herds of buffalo over a cliff. and they would also just take certain parts of the kill and leave the rest to rot.
And you know this how???
@@micanopykracker902 I do this thing called reading.
@@danishsailing4630 yea well einstein weve all read it but that dont mean we "know" it happened...even if they did you really think they just wasted whatever was killed??? Or did you read that too.???? "what is history but mans continuation of a lie" "if you tell that lie enough to the people..they will believe this as fact" ya gotta run deeper than Nat.Geo.Mag.
@@micanopykracker902 Learn how to use punctuation.
@@danishsailing4630 why???you got the point
Man...I like most of your podcasts, but you make me wonder about your accuracy. Your presentation of facts in this one is questionable.
Apache's were not a horse culture,
Is this the History channel?????
The most common story is about how the Spaniards fled and left many horses to the wild due to the Pueblo Revolt of 1680. It was in what now is New Mexico, and the Apache, Navajo and Ute were the first tribes to make use of them, even as a source of food.
However, animals lost or abandoned by the DeSoto and Coronado expeditions 1540-1542 to modern day Alabama, could possibly have furnished a stock of wild horses that made an impact on groups of natives much eralier than the late 1600's. Nevertheless, this is highly arguable.