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How to Setup a Combination Plane Stanley 45 and 55
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2020
- How to set up a Stanley 45 or 55 can be a confusing thing when you get it. A combination plane with all the cutters and pieces can look like a mess. what is needed for each cutter? how are all of these parts suppose to fit together? today I want to look at both combination planes the Stanley 45 and the Stanley 55, and look at 4 main cutters and how to set them up.
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The wife just picked up a complete 55 at the auctions for me. Full set of acc and cutters in box with original manual and catalogue! Can't wait to use it. Your videos on it are super helpful and this the ticket. Thanks.
Wow. Nice find
Thanks so much for this, James. Just got a very old and rather nice condition 45 (1900-ish) and this is great to learn how to assemble it.
You an amazing person whose PLANE talk helps me understand my hand tools.. now i am off to find your sharpening video on a 55 ironICALLY.
I just inherited this beautiful piece of machinery and had no Idea what it was. Thanks to your excellent instructional videos on the 55, I have a new hobby and profound respect for this antique tool.
Thank you so much. I have a couple of planes, a Record Multi-plane and a Stanley Combination plane for use in our mission in Papua New Guinea. Although I'm a carpenter I knew nothing about these planes until I found your teaching transmission. God bless you. You are a thorough and gifted teacher.
OMG! This explanation is exactly what I need. TY so much James. Your generosity in sharing your knowledge is super helpful. Kudos.
Just picked up my Great Uncles. To say the least, it looked intimidating! Your videos are the perfect key for me to grab the bull by the horns. Can't wait to clean her up and start producing some molding! Thank you!
Enjoy! sounds like a fun time ahead!
Excellent application of the Hand Tool Rescue wrench! Now I need a small one 🙃
Perfect timings. I’ve restored mine and now need to learn to use it ... correctly. Thanks for this video!!
That is what I am here for!
Thank you for this video, I just inherited a 55 and it was foreign to me, it is amazing. Thanks.
Great video , setting up one of those reminds me of how my father looked getting his 1935 John Deere running . Pull this , twist that and shimmy this a little then hold that while you do this ! After that she ran like a dream . Love your videos. God bless you .
LOLso true!
I've been looking for this video my whole life!!! Got a fully loaded 55 for 100 bucks and needed the advice :) Thank you!!!!
Wow nice price! Who did you kill for that.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo found it on Facebook marketplace, and the guy was willing to ship :) He also threw in a Bailey No 7 and a Bailey No 5, both type 17s and in really good shape, for $25 each. One heck of a score!
Great video. I'm deciding (looking for justification) for whether to bid on a 55 and how badly I need to spend the money and this was very timely and useful.
Great video,just got a Stanley NO50 and didn’t have a clue how to use it until now, going to my workshop and have a play. Love the videos. Andy Cornwall UK.
Sometimes ahead. That is a fun little plane.
Thank you! Also snide remark!
Thank you for this. YES, you answered some good questions. I have both including the 46
If you make hand rails those big fluting irons are great. Sure, you can do that with a power router also but myself I prefer the Stanley 55 for such jobs. Just as with making (small) replacement parts for old mouldings/moldings. It is a gem for these things. Making 100s of meters/yards of this stuff might be a stretch with the 55 but for that I think I would prefer to order it from someone that make wooden mouldings/moldings professionally rather than tackle it with a power router myself. I even think I would attack it with the 55 over the power router in any case.
Thanks, I have a 45 and a 55 with all the attachments and irons including the cam but did not understand how to set it up. I am trying to use my hand planes more and will start working these into future projects.
Thanks, very useful as I have bought a 55 to try to replicate a moulding that I saw.
Hi James, I am relatively new into woodworking hobby and am especially finding hand tool woodworking really interesting. I follow paul sellers and your videos mostly. I found in one of your videos where you had mentioned you reach out for Stanley 50 for.most tasks as it does 90% of the tasks and is simple. I have recently purchased a Stanley 50 and was trying tongue and groove with it but was struggling. Would be really awesome if you could do a review and demo of Stanley 50 especially tongue and groove. Thanks!
I might have to do that one some time.
I just got my 55 today it's in decent shape blades on the other hand need a lot of cleaning up and sharpened. And trying to figure out how to setup and also see what I am missing. Thanks for the video helped me a lot.
sounds like a fun time!
Love it! Thanks James
Great tips
Great video and just what I need after scoring a 45 with cutters today!
Almost tempted to make a couple smaller round cutters to see if I can finangle the 45 to work with them. Though I can imagine that a pair of dedicated wooden hollows and rounds will be on the list to make after that experiment lol.
Thanks. Learned something on how to use my Craftsman 3728-aka Sargent 1080, Noting how my combo-plane differs from the Stanley 55. Good stuff
I have a 45, glad to see this! Thanks!
My pleasure!
Very instructive , thank you
This excellent video is part of why I have now bought a 55. ( actually two)
Would love to see you set up a 55 for cutting chamfers and angled moldings using the 45° (et al) capability of the fence.
Also, could you demonstrate using the nicker blade for cross-grain moldings?
Great video. I have a couple of accessory short Stanley 45's and tried to buy a 55 today which would have given me what's needed to max out the blade count for the 45's too. Sadly I got outbid in spite of having what I would consider a pretty hefty offer on it myself. Someday it will be mine!
the third skate is used for reverse Ogees and the depth of the cut for a togue on a togue and groove cut. As per the Stanley book.
Great timing! I've bought myself a record 405 (which as I understand is basically a stanley 45 copy) and I'm about to restore it and start using it. Thanks for the great info!
Sweet. Yup those are the same plane
@@WoodByWrightHowTo I also bought a record 405, intending to use rounding irons with it. Doh!! But it looks to me, that you could do it with custom made irons. If the rounding iron was notched (like the cove iron you are pointing at at 1:14) in such a way that the middle of the round was centered on the main skate, and not use the second skate at all. Would that work, or is the second skate still needed for stability of the cutter? If the second skate IS needed, would putting both skates together, so they are touching, and centering the round of the iron on both of them work?
Found them. Veritas makes them. They call them Fluting Blades.
Wood By Wright How 2 ha ha
Thanks for sharing that
Great video. I recently bought a 55 and I'm enjoying the learning curve of how to get the best out of it. I have the basic manual for the plane. However, I wonder if anyone ever put together a booklet showing profiles typically used, matched to cutter numbers? I think that would be helpful and handy as a time saver in figuring out profiles that need more than one cutter to make a specific molding.
That would be a huge book! But it would be a lot of fun. I don't know about any though. Sorry.
Estas plainas são incríveis, fantásticas.
I recently got one a Lewin combo plane and just did my first cut with it this evening. On the final cut I dropped the "fence" side a little, and ended up making the left side of the channel a little deeper than it was supposed to be. Oops!
The Lewin has the option of putting the depth gauge on either side, so I think I'll probably put it on the left side in future, between the blade and the fence, so that if I drop the fence side during the final cut it will just lever on the depth gauge and lift up the blade instead of digging in.
I think it's probably a lot more likely that people will lean on the fence side, instead of raising it up, especially when you have a large gap between the skates and the fence.
It's probably what the other depth gauge is for on the 55.
Very interesting, thank you. Let's make shavings now!
I have a record 50 not full but many of the features of a Stanley 45
Can you follow-up with a SHARPENING video it seems that the beading and rabetting irons need some special technique to preserve their profiles.
Here you go. th-cam.com/video/BoKUtHGKjuI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MoUzK6o1-7Du_lSK
Nice job ....informative...thanks pal ...
My pleasure thanks.
Perfect timing.. just scored a stanley 45 almost mint with a full set of cutters on ebay for 110
Nice. Sounds like a fun time ahead for you.
Wood By Wright How 2 fun times indeed... just need to re set up my shop in my new garage. Everything is a shambles at the moment
Thanks
Great timing, I'm using my Sargent 1080 for grooves in drawers but am trying to figure out double stop groove I need to make. This weekend I was going to do some experiments.
Those are fun. You have to chisel out a spot at the beginning and end of the groove so that the plane can step down into that. but most of the time the groove is so short that it's actually faster to just carve it out then it is to plow it out.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo that is what I was doing, was hoping to speed up the process. Thanks!
If you have the scraps from the ends of the boards you could cheat:
Cut the groove all the way through, then make plugs from the best matching grain you can get from the scraps. With luck it could be invisible.
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You are so the man. I really do need to come up with some sort of prize for this
Thanks for the explanation!
Bet it's tough to find one with all the accessories.
My pleasure. You just have to know where to look. LoL You might want to check out handtoolfinder.com
I bought two 55 and they both came pretty much complete. Stanley sold the 55 in its own Chestnut box with sliding lid, and it came with 52 profile blades in four wood boxes with numbered slots where each individual blade went.
If someone spent the money to buy one of those it seems they rarely broke up the set.
I got mine on ebay. Kinda expensive. Facebook marketplace had one dude didn't do shipping found same one with 55 cutters on ebay.
easy to find, harder to afford!
i found a fulton with the waffle handle, all the cutters in original tool can as wrap for 125 at an antique store...now im here because damn if it isnt confusing to set up right, lol
James a great tutorial as all ways .All ways a joy to watch. I was slightly distracted,by a small gap in your plane till , like it's waiting for a small plane , to be placed in the gap ?? Just a VERY small plane .The number eludes me 8.7.6.5.4.3.2.??
Thanks. Lol some say. I am at a tool sale tomorrow... Who knows.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Love the banter james .good luck on the tool sale .post some footage of the tool sale .as all ways lots of love and kind regards to you all and god bless from over the pond
So I had a problem with my 45 where the cut would tend to "walk" toward the fence. I thought I was messing up the alignment of the skate and edge of the cutter (like at 6:16). Then I started worrying a skate was bent. Turns out the nicker on one skate always stood proud ( in any position). Removing it solved my problem. :)
Interesting. That's a new one to me.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo I think the nicker may not be original. It's much more crudely made than the rest of the tool. /Shrug
I've had that happen before. Nicker was twisted. Never noticed it while cross grain cutting, but I forgot and left it down on a long bead and sure enough that twisted nicker acted like a boat rudder and steered the plane offline. The old timer that pointed out the problem for me gave advice worth repeating "Don't get your nickers in a twist" :-)
The last few weeks I have been watching your video's on te 45 and 55. A nice, quiet way of woodworking. One question pops up: Is it possible to do a simple roundover on he edge of a board? I have seen you setting up a beading cutter to do something like it, but one point still makes a groove in the wood, which I do not want.
I guess one solution would be to grind away that point, but maybe there is a more simple solution? Thanks for helping me out.
For that I just use a black plane and or a scraper.
Hi James, great timely information. What angle do you sharpen the straight irons at. I see 30 degrees mentioned often but my irons are at a much steeper 45 degrees. They cane that way when I got the plane. Keep up the good work. Thanks
Honestly the angle doesn't matter much as long as it is less than 40°. I usually sharpen mine around 35 or 40.
Thank you for this video. I just got a Stanley #55 today. 4 flat boxes of cutters. I saw it and 'went for it'. Question. Is one of these cutters for making a panel door rail or stile? If not, could you tell me what of these cutters would make a panel door possible? I have no clue. Thank you, Sir.
Sure. You would cut the grove for the panel to fit in with whatever cutter fit the panel thickness. Then you could use another cutter to make the desired molding cut around the panel.
Thank you for your fast reply. Your input with clues on how to proceed is very helpful. Thanks again!
Did you manage to buy the cam you were looking out at that last meet?
Perhaps you could do a video showing some of the other features of the 55. Such as a bead up the corner of a leg - showing the rotating fences.
Yes. I was actually able to pick up a cam at the peach meat I could do a lot of fun videos with these. We'll see what the future holds.
I loved your demonstration of the 45 and 55, but have a question. What you said about the 45 not being able to do Hollows, makes sense. However, Stanley also sold 3 boxes of special cutters for the 45, and in box no 3 there were 7 hollow cutters. So if we assume that Stanley would not sell cutters for the 45 that could not be used in the 45, how could you make the 7 Hollow cutters (in special cutters box no 3) work on the 45? I would like to know how to do this myself.
That box of cutters also came with a whole set of fake souls that would slide on and allow the plane to do it. Without those it can't do the work. But with those it does it well. The problem is those are incredibly expensive and incredibly hard to find.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Yes, I've see the 45 Hollows and Rounds sets that have the matching bases, and it's not the same as the Special Cutter sets I'm talking about. Do you have a link where I can send a pic of the Special Cutters Boxes?
sure my email address is in the about tab on my channel. or you can use the contact me form on my website and once I respond you can send pictures.
I'm assuming that the setup for the 55 is going to be very similar to Veritas' combination plane. FYI, Veritas makes all their combination plane blades compatible with the Stanley 45/55 if you need new or replacement blades.
One problem that I have had is that the 45's knicker blades are way long. When I need a dado, I use the knickers to make fairly deep scores, put the knickers back up, and proceed to cut the dado. Is there something I can do differently?
On a side note, because combination planes have an infinite throat opening, they work great for plane troublesome woods, like the reclaimed Doug Fir that I am making a Roubo bench out of. The resinous parts of the timber is like plane glass and laughs at your plane. It trembles in fear when you pull out your 45, Stanley 45. Just be sure to go with the grain as much as possible and take shallow cuts.
Yes. The veritas combination plane is very similar and it's function to the old Stanley's. They changed a few things to make it more ergonomical and a little easier to work with but everything goes together basically the same way.
Any suggestions on a good design book for moldings using the 55. My creativity is a little lacking when it comes to making moldings and the options seem endless with all the cutters that come with the 55.
I don't know of any particular book on it but usually for me I do some research on Google images and pick one that I like that I printed out and matched bits to get close to it.
You can use the fluting irons with a 45 you just have to keep extending the iron.
Wow, there is a LOT of business in one of these tools
Cool wrench. Where can I get one ?
Are you talking about this ranch? www.handtoolrescue.com/
The 45 will do cove. It even came with 1/4" and 1/2" cove blades. You just have to start out with the blade set shallow and increase the blade stick out after you get the cove started
I have never seen a Stanley 45 that originally came with hollows or rounds. I have seen them when you also purchased the auxiliary soul.
Question Is that wrench a Hand Tool Rescue wrench ?? Thank you
Yes or is. I love them!
Is there an alternative to a Stanley 55? Like a Record or Sargent or something else?
There are several other duplicates of the 45 that were made by Sergeant record and most recently the veritas which is very very similar. However duplicates of the 55 are incredibly rare. Record made one but I have never seen one in person. and from what I understand they actually cost more than a Stanley 55 now.
I just got a complete Stanley 55 in Mint condition I would like to know its age I have not been able to find a pat number or I am not looking in the right place can you give me some direction Thanks
Dating those is very difficult. You really have to find someone who knows them well. Unfortunately I'm not that person. if you post some pictures on the unplugged woodworkers group on Facebook you may get lucky with someone knowing enough to be able to date it.
What’s that little wrench? I just picked up a 45 and am excited to tune it up and learn how to use it. Mostly expect to use it for grooves, dados, rabbets, and tongues.
sorry I do not know what wrench you are talking about. do you have a time stamp for it?
But I'm about to get buried with comments from the new video so I probably won't see a reply on here sorry. You can always send me an email and I'd be glad to answer that.
I don't mind complicated setups, but my wife said she likes simple things. She was laughing at the time... am I missng something? 😁
Lol nice!
Curiosity: are the main skates of the 45 and 55 the same? Or, more appropriately, could you use the secondary skate from a 55 with the main skate of a 45 to create all the functionality of the 55?
Unfortunately no. The spacing between the rods is different between them. So you can't put one onto the other.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo That is unfortunate. But thanks for the quick response.
3:03 Hand Tool Rescue wrench?
Yup.
Great info, BTW where did you get the small monkey wrench? It's neat. Thanks
That is a wrench that Hand Tool Rescue makes.
does cutters are compatibles for 45 and 55
Yes they use the same cutters.
So if I have a 45 and find a 55 skate.. would that make my 45 a 55?
Unfortunately no. The two of them have different measurements between the two rails. There's also a few other foot differences between them and the 55 also has the second fence.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo well dang
Ha ha hope to see u at peach meet
Looking forward to it see you tomorrow.
22nd.
I found one of these with only one cutter. I’m going to sell it cheap
That is the way most of them are unfortunately.
Still have it and what shape is it in