If you got nat 5's without spending money then use them, again all you people telling him to feed them take a video of you feeding all of your nat 5's and send it to him.
@@nexus6100 no ive seen people on his comment section take this to heart lol, because they played for 2 months and got no nat 5s ;c! It's kinda sad really, rng is rng, people be mad over the stupidest shit lmao.
We love you bagel, but we don't want compromise.... we want you to play this account like you would your main, using any & all opportunity RNG grants you. *& When you do use a Nat5 in a team, you can show/talk about the f2p alternative for those without :)
I still dont get, why u dont use ur new nat5s. this is a beginner series and new people playing this game will get nat5 as well and use them. they give alternatives to the free2play stuff and they will use them too. so u should either :D
Think the same, game is about luck in a lot of ways, rune farming, summoning, procs... would u quit a fight because u proc some times? dont think so, so why would u unsummon something ?! makes 0 sense :P
Because his two nat 5's aren't early game units, jamire is more of an arena/rta/toah unit and kumar requires decent runes to be viable. His other units are better too progress if he uses the nat 5's then new players would assume thats what they should do asap
@@samrobinson2658 i get that but don’t feed them, that’s not a good example either hehe I have a nepthys starter and got Chandra and Mephisto sitting on the storage hahaha
It's not the lighting, he had barely slept in some of the last videos. I think he's gotten more rest here. BAGEL BOY? YOU GETTING ENOUGH SLEEP?? GO TAKE A NAP SON!!
When i see this series i can't even try to explain how much more difficult was to even get to db10. Now you can do it in a week if you play just few hours a Day. We didn't even get lapis for free.
I'm not sure I've heard the word compromise in years. I didn't realize anyone knew how to do that in 2021. Congrats to you Bagel for teaching us it's still possible to compromise.
Hey Bagel, I think part of our enjoyment in your videos isn't just that you're teaching new players how to survive without nat 5s, but seeing you enjoy playing the game with your new toys is a big part of it too.
If people haven't figured out how to craft dungeon teams with fully obtainable units yet it's because they don't have the runes/patience/brainpower. There are countless guides, you do not need to pander to those people. We are living vicariously through you in this series, feel free to mention units they could use instead, but please use everything you have. When you don't, it's frustrating because we know we would be using those units and we want to have you use them.
Been watching for like 5 years now, Ive seen you made ridiculous 2* and 3* (working) dungeon teams to appease the masses and show whats possible using only the power of runes, and monster synergy. So glad you didn't get rid of those nat 5's :P
Thank you, this opening made me much more satisfied for this guide. Use those nat 5, but actually showing how to use nat 4 and lower units to achieve the same thing (preferably first), then you can go ham with your nat 5s. Make it a guide for everyone then showing what you can do with one of the most op early game nat 5s in the game. Plus, who cares what you grind with off camera!
Audio is definitely good, brother. 👍🏼 There were for sure a couple random screen freezes near the end, but it wasn't going on throughout the whole video. At least not that I noticed. Loving the content man.
I very much like seeing your planning stages, with extremely limited resources. You aren't intentionally using subpar units to do these things, you are using the ONLY things you have... which includes a Bastet and Jamire. Which is nice, but they certainly are not End All, Be All by any means. This is something I can use for my own 'Beginners Grind' 1. Need a speed lead (I don't have one yet, will use Fran when summoned) 2. Need an Attack Buff (Shannon, FTW) 3. Need a strip (Started game with Triton after 5 re-rolls) 4. Need a Def Break (Building Raoq, but he isn't really used for Def Break. Pulled 2 Luer's tho, he will do nicely) 5. Need a Cleave (Pulled Lushen from the Nat 4 Event!) 6. Need a Cleanse / Immunity (Fran is good for Immunity, game gives you a Konamiya but she isn't that good... have NOT summoned a Lulu surprisingly, which seems to fit this spot perfectly) 7. Need a Healer (Literally nothing usable other than Konamiya, but not truly necessary yet, as DPS is more important right now) Glad you are doing well, Mr. Bagel, keep up the good work my friend
Well us who have played for years don't, but I bet all the new players through 2020 and 2021 don't mind in the slightest. They also wouldn't want to watch old series that aren't up to date with today's patches :)
It may not seem obvious but i feel like you should show your new method on how you make 6* monsters quickly. Would be nice to the newer people checking out this series. Love the content!
Man you already have a f2p theme, how about going full nuts on this one. i mean, luck is luck. And you have a lot of tutorials on each dungeon. They can check all the different teams on other videos. Like why they brag about you getting nat5s and using it. wtf, use what you have. i mean thats what we all do.
@@draghul3 It really is. It's done with the intention of seeing how different progression is now in the game compared to before. Why do you think he's doing it? Just wanted to have another account after giving other ones away? It doesn't take a genius to figure out.
@@draghul3 Massive difference in rerolling for a good start and literally getting 1 of the 2 most versatile units in the game. You tell beginners to reroll for weeks and weeks to get that unit and see how it goes. Beginner series aren't about luck unless they are doing a literal playthrough and don't care about reproducibility
I started two beginners grind accounts about 2 months ago. On one account I got fire beast rider. Free. On the other I got wind paladin and Ariel, again free. I really think summoning rates are higher for beginners so that they have a chance to make progress. Don't let trolls make you feel guilty for the nat 5's you got.
Summoners way level 4, 4th challenge is maxed sanctum of energy. I've got an alt and its been stuck there longest out of any of them, so focusing that might be important for progressions sake. And I've been using my wings regularly. Also, another vote for you using your nat 5's. It's not like like you whaled for them, nat 5's are part of the game. If people want to see you using nat 2's and 3's, you've done that content already.
Please play however make you happy. Don’t listen to the immature kids who are lazy to reroll and jealous of your luck. I’m new to the channel and love your series so far. Thank you!
I'm not end game, but I am very late game and I always get those rainbowmon. I rarely build new mons(I have so many built) and they do start to stack up, but when you need them, there they are. I pulled Jamire and decided to dig my elbows in and build my toa hell team. For f4, I built shamann luer and Jamire in the span 4 days, which wouldn't have been possible if I didn't have 25 5* material just waiting to be used.
Hey Bagel, don't worry about making the videos 30 min long. I'm a legit beginner in SW (really shocking, right?). I found this kinda content entertaining and helpful, keep it as it is
I wouldn't worry about strips this early into the game but instantly when you said you know what we need when you put Malaka I was like strips XD. I think only way people will have Will runes is from crafting or buying a pack.
I get that using nat 5s isn't a thing that other early game players can copy but Bagel mentions f2p units that can do the job so often! Also, as far as I understood this series, it isn't a pure f2p guide kinda thing like the free2win series. Yes, this is a beginner's account and he shows his progression but isn't meant to take your hand completely.
I did toa normal with Lapis (Des/Rev Att/CD/Att), 2A Spectra (Swift/Blade Spd/CD/Acc), 2A Raoq (Fatal/Blade Spd/CD/Att), Loren (Swift/Focus Spd/Def/Hp), and Fran (Vio/Will Spd/Att/Hp). Ideally you want Loren Vio/Focus Spd/Hp/Acc (the current runes are just what I have) and Fran does not have to be on will, I have her runed that way for Arena
Is it worth it to grind b12 over b10 if you can? Costs me an extra minute for bqq over b10, but I don't know if the drop rates are good enough to justify it. Thanks!
I noticed that you seem strange... more light in the new apartment? In the N5 apartment (look what i did, i used the apartment here too, lol) probably trying to keep the farming things the most N5 free (free N5 can be used) but keep them for the PvP Content.
Bagel, what happened to your closet gaming room? Where you able to build another, or have a place to build another? Great vids by the way. I love this series.
People naturally get lucky and you can always reroll to target a nat 5, you should do a reroll teir list, like if you pull any of these 10 nat5's keep them. But deffo use them!
Hi Bagel, hope you are having a good day. Can you use Jamire for TOA? I haven't seen much of Jamire being used and I think he would be great for TOA, and I'd love to see how it's used on a beginner account
You still have to... 'Tickle his gooch' I AM DYING in laughter right now. I think a better compromise is to use 1 at lease one Natural born 5 in the playthrough because on average these days a new account will have 1 nat 5 by the first month of consistently summoning. This excludes the events COM2US will be having at any given time a new player gets into the game. Build your units normally, its nice to see from a mid-game/progression stand point how you go about making teams for all the content.
Sath sath sath sath... use sath for toa. I made him and it made all of toah easy mode. Just him + water homie will wipe a stage in 2 turns. So also pair this comp with Jeanne so during these turns they don attack your more squishy units
Can we say "not lucky friendly" insted of "free to play frendly"? because F2PF mean that if you put money you have for sure tons of nat5 while it's not true.
I mean, I will be here advocating for Fire Attack tower early game as well, since at the current meta at least most speed teams are using fire damage dealers, so it will make a big difference even mid game to have taht tower :D
If you got nat 5's without spending money then use them, again all you people telling him to feed them take a video of you feeding all of your nat 5's and send it to him.
Pretty sure that was a joke. I don't think people were saying to feed them, just to not use them.
I fed my first Okeanos for a nat 4
@@nexus6100 no ive seen people on his comment section take this to heart lol, because they played for 2 months and got no nat 5s ;c! It's kinda sad really, rng is rng, people be mad over the stupidest shit lmao.
@@blazeiken2 i played over year without Nat 5 in The 2014
@@blazeiken2 Oh seriously? It's not good for the heart for someone to have that much salt.
Thank God you are kinda using them now, appreciate it
Bagel: I need strip and stun
Me: oh, use Clara
Bagel: reliable strip
Me: Nevermind
Let's get a giana then
2A water grim should work well but that we are not gonna see for a while
We love you bagel, but we don't want compromise.... we want you to play this account like you would your main, using any & all opportunity RNG grants you. *& When you do use a Nat5 in a team, you can show/talk about the f2p alternative for those without :)
I still dont get, why u dont use ur new nat5s. this is a beginner series and new people playing this game will get nat5 as well and use them. they give alternatives to the free2play stuff and they will use them too. so u should either :D
Think the same, game is about luck in a lot of ways, rune farming, summoning, procs...
would u quit a fight because u proc some times? dont think so, so why would u unsummon something ?! makes 0 sense :P
Because his two nat 5's aren't early game units, jamire is more of an arena/rta/toah unit and kumar requires decent runes to be viable. His other units are better too progress if he uses the nat 5's then new players would assume thats what they should do asap
um, not everyone will get these 5 stars. They are not guaranteed, or close to it in any way. f2p alternatives are not f2p units.
@@samrobinson2658 i get that but don’t feed them, that’s not a good example either hehe
I have a nepthys starter and got Chandra and Mephisto sitting on the storage hahaha
@@luclon-vu7og The series is called Beginners Grind not Beginners Guide
you look healthier with the new lighting lol
Right
yea! game laggy as hell but the cam somehow looks more nitid
Slick does lol his skin just looks normal lol
It's not the lighting, he had barely slept in some of the last videos. I think he's gotten more rest here. BAGEL BOY? YOU GETTING ENOUGH SLEEP?? GO TAKE A NAP SON!!
i don't think you understood us, we don't want a f2p series (again for the 3rd time), we want you to use all your avaiable mons, nat1 or nat5
Nat5s are really interesting to watch so i hope he focuses on them!
When i see this series i can't even try to explain how much more difficult was to even get to db10. Now you can do it in a week if you play just few hours a Day. We didn't even get lapis for free.
I'm not sure I've heard the word compromise in years. I didn't realize anyone knew how to do that in 2021. Congrats to you Bagel for teaching us it's still possible to compromise.
congrats on the new apartment! I clinched when i thought you were going to feed the nat 5s
Hooray! New apartment. Audio and video look good. Your lighting is very nice!
Great b8 mate.
Don’t listen to people do what you love to do
+1
Hey Bagel, I think part of our enjoyment in your videos isn't just that you're teaching new players how to survive without nat 5s, but seeing you enjoy playing the game with your new toys is a big part of it too.
Dude, watching yours videos was probably one of the things I missed the most when I stopped SW.
lighting and audio is great!
If people haven't figured out how to craft dungeon teams with fully obtainable units yet it's because they don't have the runes/patience/brainpower. There are countless guides, you do not need to pander to those people. We are living vicariously through you in this series, feel free to mention units they could use instead, but please use everything you have. When you don't, it's frustrating because we know we would be using those units and we want to have you use them.
Bagel: today’s a short video
Also bagel: 30 minutes later
Been watching for like 5 years now, Ive seen you made ridiculous 2* and 3* (working) dungeon teams to appease the masses and show whats possible using only the power of runes, and monster synergy. So glad you didn't get rid of those nat 5's :P
Whatever you did with the lighting in the new apartment is spot on, bright shiny bagel face.
Thank you, this opening made me much more satisfied for this guide. Use those nat 5, but actually showing how to use nat 4 and lower units to achieve the same thing (preferably first), then you can go ham with your nat 5s. Make it a guide for everyone then showing what you can do with one of the most op early game nat 5s in the game. Plus, who cares what you grind with off camera!
You can see the lighting is a bit different in the new apartment. Happy for you Bagel!!!
PS: Lighting is very good
Audio is definitely good, brother. 👍🏼 There were for sure a couple random screen freezes near the end, but it wasn't going on throughout the whole video. At least not that I noticed. Loving the content man.
i'm so confused bagel, you're trying to progress through summoners way but not investing any arena points on sanctum of energy :x
I very much like seeing your planning stages, with extremely limited resources. You aren't intentionally using subpar units to do these things, you are using the ONLY things you have... which includes a Bastet and Jamire. Which is nice, but they certainly are not End All, Be All by any means. This is something I can use for my own 'Beginners Grind'
1. Need a speed lead (I don't have one yet, will use Fran when summoned)
2. Need an Attack Buff (Shannon, FTW)
3. Need a strip (Started game with Triton after 5 re-rolls)
4. Need a Def Break (Building Raoq, but he isn't really used for Def Break. Pulled 2 Luer's tho, he will do nicely)
5. Need a Cleave (Pulled Lushen from the Nat 4 Event!)
6. Need a Cleanse / Immunity (Fran is good for Immunity, game gives you a Konamiya but she isn't that good... have NOT summoned a Lulu surprisingly, which seems to fit this spot perfectly)
7. Need a Healer (Literally nothing usable other than Konamiya, but not truly necessary yet, as DPS is more important right now)
Glad you are doing well, Mr. Bagel, keep up the good work my friend
Man i was here since the first apartment.
Gz bagel :)
Damn this is day 8? Looks way better than my day 60 😂😂😂
This is better than your sixty day account wow you suck
Its fine he knows everything summoners war and he spend like 10-15 hours on this account so he will have more progression then most of us
Use all 3 nat 5s for your first gb12 team. Flex on these scrubs.
Oh god Kumar gb12... And I wouldn't say that Jamire is the most slot efficient unit for gb12 either x:
@@4ny3ody F L E X O N T H E M
This is his game play ...hid hidden treasure ,
@@omni-archon4444 what
you sound very insecure
Out of curiosity do you recommend buying spd, att, crit damage towers first or do the max energy storage, energy regeneration towers first?
Glad to see you excited and happy about the new apartment, Mr. Bagel! Hope the transition was smoother than some of them in your past (:
Thank god, he listened.
A lot of people really dont have any interest in watching a 3rd f2p series, just use the nat5s dude, is it really that hard
Agree
Well us who have played for years don't, but I bet all the new players through 2020 and 2021 don't mind in the slightest.
They also wouldn't want to watch old series that aren't up to date with today's patches :)
@@ForsakenSanityGaming but its just not as fun to watch dude, he can just name alternatives to the nat5s when he is showcasing his teams
@@rival5016 For you and me no, but then again we don't have to be entertained by every single video on the internet!
@@rival5016 that totally works. Plus these days new players get nat 5's like crazy. They aren't some crazy get anymore
It may not seem obvious but i feel like you should show your new method on how you make 6* monsters quickly. Would be nice to the newer people checking out this series. Love the content!
I was screaming at the thumbnail, like 'Nooooooo, stupid Bagel!!!!'
You will cause me to have me a heart attack, if you will keep acting like this xD
Congratulations on a successful move.
Looking forward for omg food videos:D (hopefully)
Man you already have a f2p theme, how about going full nuts on this one. i mean, luck is luck.
And you have a lot of tutorials on each dungeon. They can check all the different teams on other videos.
Like why they brag about you getting nat5s and using it. wtf, use what you have. i mean thats what we all do.
You don't understand the point of a beginner guide account do you?
@@notme377 that's not a beginner guid series ;)
@@draghul3 It really is. It's done with the intention of seeing how different progression is now in the game compared to before. Why do you think he's doing it? Just wanted to have another account after giving other ones away? It doesn't take a genius to figure out.
@@notme377 yeah and he showed us that u can reroll for a good start, so everyone can do...
@@draghul3 Massive difference in rerolling for a good start and literally getting 1 of the 2 most versatile units in the game. You tell beginners to reroll for weeks and weeks to get that unit and see how it goes. Beginner series aren't about luck unless they are doing a literal playthrough and don't care about reproducibility
I started two beginners grind accounts about 2 months ago. On one account I got fire beast rider. Free. On the other I got wind paladin and Ariel, again free. I really think summoning rates are higher for beginners so that they have a chance to make progress. Don't let trolls make you feel guilty for the nat 5's you got.
18:30 Yes Bagel! You're right! I have a Loren Raoq and a 5star Tarq on Seige and it gets people off guard because it looks weak.
Summoners way level 4, 4th challenge is maxed sanctum of energy. I've got an alt and its been stuck there longest out of any of them, so focusing that might be important for progressions sake. And I've been using my wings regularly. Also, another vote for you using your nat 5's. It's not like like you whaled for them, nat 5's are part of the game. If people want to see you using nat 2's and 3's, you've done that content already.
ok that compromise is a pretty good idea. i rarely see nat5s in dungeon runs anyways, but hopefully, we can see them being used a lot more
Good lighting in this video, nice work on the new home.
Bagel: we have no defense buffer
Megan: cries
Please play however make you happy. Don’t listen to the immature kids who are lazy to reroll and jealous of your luck. I’m new to the channel and love your series so far. Thank you!
I'm not end game, but I am very late game and I always get those rainbowmon. I rarely build new mons(I have so many built) and they do start to stack up, but when you need them, there they are.
I pulled Jamire and decided to dig my elbows in and build my toa hell team. For f4, I built shamann luer and Jamire in the span 4 days, which wouldn't have been possible if I didn't have 25 5* material just waiting to be used.
Am I the only who noticed his lighting is better ...keep this apartment bagel
Hey Bagel, don't worry about making the videos 30 min long. I'm a legit beginner in SW (really shocking, right?). I found this kinda content entertaining and helpful, keep it as it is
I wouldn't worry about strips this early into the game but instantly when you said you know what we need when you put Malaka I was like strips XD. I think only way people will have Will runes is from crafting or buying a pack.
lighting and sound are so much better, hope you enjoy the new place and when's the tour lol
Started rerolling, got a verad on 3rd attempt at rerolls but nothing else really useable for progress. Should i keep going or try rerolling again.
I get that using nat 5s isn't a thing that other early game players can copy but Bagel mentions f2p units that can do the job so often!
Also, as far as I understood this series, it isn't a pure f2p guide kinda thing like the free2win series. Yes, this is a beginner's account and he shows his progression but isn't meant to take your hand completely.
I did toa normal with Lapis (Des/Rev Att/CD/Att), 2A Spectra (Swift/Blade Spd/CD/Acc), 2A Raoq (Fatal/Blade Spd/CD/Att), Loren (Swift/Focus Spd/Def/Hp), and Fran (Vio/Will Spd/Att/Hp). Ideally you want Loren Vio/Focus Spd/Hp/Acc (the current runes are just what I have) and Fran does not have to be on will, I have her runed that way for Arena
No compromise is needed. Just play the way normal people play.
Is it worth it to grind b12 over b10 if you can? Costs me an extra minute for bqq over b10, but I don't know if the drop rates are good enough to justify it.
Thanks!
New appartment, what ld5 will bagel pull next video?
I thought you'd gone mad at the beginning lol
Sound is good 👍
Waiting for you to use your nat5's ;P
So I got a blessing after a random legendary scroll cuz I was bored and I got fire art master and water occult girl which should I choose?
Haha you had me bro XD Congratulations on the new place!!
Wait is it just me or does he look... more handsome than usual? It must be the lighting
Please give us a tour of your new place soon!
The light works brighter in ur face in the new flat :D
Bettet
Bagel, did u craft Statue of giant +10max ene (for completing gb10)?
Hi bagel you can also craft in the crafting center a building that would give energy :D
I noticed that you seem strange... more light in the new apartment?
In the N5 apartment (look what i did, i used the apartment here too, lol) probably trying to keep the farming things the most N5 free (free N5 can be used) but keep them for the PvP Content.
Bagel, what happened to your closet gaming room? Where you able to build another, or have a place to build another? Great vids by the way. I love this series.
"Today should be a short video" - Bagel. I paused the video at 2:13 to see that is 30 minutes long and then contemplate life.
Huh.... You make a valid point that i should have expected
You must be new to this channel 😂
is it ok to build spectra spd/def/hp or spd/hp/hp ? i cant get enough stats to build him as CD yet : /
Hey bagel, could you cover the Returning Players pack? It looks like a good value deal for people intending to come back to summoners war
Hoping this compromise means Bastet returns.
Hey a quick tip for librinth hard quest you actually can do the monster floor one and if you can do more than level 11 it count as hard
Nat 5s for PvP only would be great. That way we can all get the guide for the PvE content 😎👍
More crisp lighting in the new place!
Make sure you're upgrading the Sanctum of Energy as that was a blocker for me on Summoner's Way.
You should definitely get the glory building that ups your Energy collecting rate
Cam quality looks fire~ what did you change when you moved?
Beginner account with nat5 and nat4 just makes it easier for certain things. So use them and be happy
Happy new year? Duck that! Happy new living space :D!
Are you sure you don’t make compromise irl? That’s a good one lol
Attack doesn’t increase dots damage?
Great content btw!! Thanks😊
Bagel your facecam looks better now i think. Its really good quality. Also thanks for the video!
Don’t worry bagel.
I always have dreams about whether I should take the red or the blue pill too.
People naturally get lucky and you can always reroll to target a nat 5, you should do a reroll teir list, like if you pull any of these 10 nat5's keep them. But deffo use them!
Hi Bagel, hope you are having a good day. Can you use Jamire for TOA? I haven't seen much of Jamire being used and I think he would be great for TOA, and I'd love to see how it's used on a beginner account
Also there will be a wind imp champion sd soon, so you can skill up fire imp champion if you want
You should save your arena points to level up the energy of sanctum to lvl 5 if you haven't already done so. It's a challenge in Summoners Way level 2
You still have to... 'Tickle his gooch' I AM DYING in laughter right now.
I think a better compromise is to use 1 at lease one Natural born 5 in the playthrough because on average these days a new account will have 1 nat 5 by the first month of consistently summoning.
This excludes the events COM2US will be having at any given time a new player gets into the game.
Build your units normally, its nice to see from a mid-game/progression stand point how you go about making teams for all the content.
Lighting is better, camera looks great. Sound is better although I would still like it to be a -bit- louder
Sath sath sath sath... use sath for toa. I made him and it made all of toah easy mode. Just him + water homie will wipe a stage in 2 turns. So also pair this comp with Jeanne so during these turns they don attack your more squishy units
CONGRATS ON THE NEW PLACE
if you are looking for a stripper for will runes and you drop the fire dryad she doesn't have a resistance check so she always strips the immunity
Can't wait to see you choose mellia over lushen. Audio sounds better btw
I dont know why but that 69 under the breath is hillarious ( 12:27 )
Can we say "not lucky friendly" insted of "free to play frendly"? because F2PF mean that if you put money you have for sure tons of nat5 while it's not true.
Bagel in 30 minutes video : today is gonna be a short video.
🤣
I mean, I will be here advocating for Fire Attack tower early game as well, since at the current meta at least most speed teams are using fire damage dealers, so it will make a big difference even mid game to have taht tower :D
I like seeing the 5 stars and stuff because a lot of times I can’t find uses them since I don’t do rta
Is it just me or is Bagels face way brighter like the man is glowing
Beginners grind 2021 not beginners grind 2021 no nat 5. Was excited to see yr new series, not so much anymore :(
Make a how to 6* fast on this account
Idk what it is but the new lighting is really nice
As if we fell for that. Everyone knows you are only supposed to feed Savannah
And Gany and Hathor
bagel dont compromisee use them whenever u want!
You should've kept at least one. Everyone will get a free nat 5 from the even and summoners way so it's only fair