How pirated films are made and released. A comprehensive analysis of the Warez scene with insider insight from a scene group member. Other channel: / mobartstrat
I used to pirate a lot of movies, but so few movies are even worth pirating anymore. I guess Hollywood solved the problem by just making all their movies shit.
yeah makes me wish that I pirated the movie. I don't understand the anti-piracy advertisement on DVD's. if you pirate you're not going to see it, only those who have a legal copy will. It's beyond stupid.
never seen one. i will not pay money for shit like this and 10 comercials before fuckign movie i bough. most of the time without bonuses,comentaries and shit.
actually when I was like 13-14 I was pirating DVD'S and Everytime I copied one it made a direct 1 to 1 copy and always started with that FBI warning and depending on the movie would show the dumb anti piracy message too lol. wow it's been over 10 years since I made a copy of a movie, do ppl still do that? like can you buy Blu-ray burners?
I'm a film maker from south africa, almost no independant film media is released here , sometimes even mainstream stuff (and when it does it arrives months after the release in the west), Piracy is literally the only way i can find some older films by auteur directors like Tarkovsky, Bela Tarr, Robert Altman, Lars Von Trier , etc... I once asked a director on instagram if he minds me pirating his work since ill never see a digital copy of his films here ever, he said "go ahead" its not really hurting him or his crew who made the film. Most people here have capped internet so streaming would waste our data especially when streaming in 4k or 1080p. Piracy is miraculous amongst us 3rd worlders its how we access media that we cant ever see
It's literally the same thing here in Romania. Netflix's selection is a sick joke, DVDs and Blurays are on the expensive side here (and the selection still sucks, which is made worse by the fact that stores that do sell prey on people who do buy and rarely apply discounts) and the used market...yeah, not happening. Renting died upon the arrival of the internet, so, as a result, in many cases if you want to see a specific film piracy might be the only option (I have done my best to get at least a few legitimately, but a few is the best way to describe my film collection)
Yeah, in my country there are so many titles unavailable for purchase that if you want to watch them legally you must buy them online and pay ten times as much as the film's worth for shipping. And internet speed is often too expensive.
@@BE3R-LF94 I have a legitimate question for you and K.E. Anderson: when you see documentaries on the kind of movie pirates on the streets of 3rd world countries or just-off-the-beaten-path countries, the covers and subtitles are absolutely fucked that clearly are done by amateurs. But wherever you go, there are always collectors of every stripe who work to access quality material. So what are the high-end piracy situations like in nations like yours? Are there people who work to find a way to make sure that pirated material is as good as can be accomplished?
@@Theomite To answer your question, I grew up in the Caribbean and piracy is an ART over here, no one can buy any legit material for the aforementioned reasons, to answer your question you can ask your DVD store about what you want and they will pirate it to your liking
Perhaps no other medium than the movie industry has combated piracy in the worst way. It's absolutely batshit how many hoops you have to jump through to either watch Blu Rays (both 1080p and 4K) on PC, or stream 4K video on PC through _any_ streaming service. It's at the point where it's way, way easier just to pirate 4K content. Last I checked, making piracy the easier option defeated the entire purpose of DRM.
So true. Games seem to run much better as well. I bought AC Odyssey, but had the pirated version first. The pirated version used less CPU and framerate was a bit higher. Same with AC Origin. Might have had something to do with Uplay being present with the legit installs, but IDK. I chalked it up to internet activity / Uplay that didn't exist on pirate vers.
@@larrygall5831 It's Denuvo you pleb. This channel literally has multiple videos showing the performance difference of games with and without Denuvo - Go watch them, they're great vids. All cracked/pirated games have Denuvo/DRM removed and it can significantly effect performance (not just frame rates but also loading times).
Uh, shoutout to that time Sony BMG put _rootkits_ on music CDs that literally only hurt legal consumers. Then released a rootkit remover when the shit hit the fan, and it left users' systems in a WORSE state than before.
@@Theo_Caro Think TH-camrs, it's morally unjust to pirate their content simply because of scale, they don't have billions of dollars in production equipment, but Hollyweird do. Also, as a pirate, I don't do it just because I can, I do it because I have no choice, I'd love to pay for my shit legally, but these companies do not acknowledge the existence of my country, so I have less than no choice but to be a pirate. The only one that acknowledges our existence is Steam, because Gaben doesn't care where the money comes from, so long as it keeps coming lol But aside from games, you'll never find a legal physical copy anywhere in this country, and the online services do not believe that we exist. And after scrolling these comments, you'd be quite shocked at just how many countries are willing to pay, but can't because only America, Europe and China exists in the eyes of these companies.
@@francovaldes8272 Trinidad, but I wish it was just us third worlders, apparently it's the same even in South Africa, I wasn't joking about these companies only caring for America and Europe.
@zenn22 can't tell if your gamer grammar is intentional or not, that being said i'm going to assume what you meant to say was "What's it like to have all your comments down-voted" To which I have to reply with, how would i know? TH-cam never had the decency of displaying comment down-votes... That being said however... 𝙵𝚄𝙴𝚁𝙰 𝚂𝙸𝙾𝙽𝙸𝚂𝚃𝙰, 𝙶𝙻𝙾𝙱𝙰𝙻𝙸𝚂𝚃
Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you never know when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid.
to stream this shit in a browser means u have to allow DRM a full on blackbox to run in your browser, which is a massive security risk!!! among other issues with it. hence no one should stream through a browser or one of their apps.... on a similar reason, everyone should always!! run an adblocker like ublock origin, because regardless if u want or not want ads, or if u are fine dealing with drm, out of security alone, u CAN'T! run ads or drm!
@Pooja Patil I thin one of the keys to understand is how 'The Scene' began - While there has always been Movie Piracy even back in the days of VHS and BetaMax (Yes I am old enough to remember both of them!) - The Scene really blew up with MicroComputers... Which became stronger as Companies divided their operations into different divisions... Best Example - SONY... They Started SONY ELECTRONICS DIVISION, SONY MUSIC and SONY ENTERTAINMENT for Movie sand Television... So while all are SONY CORPORATE, All are actually Individual Companies under a Sony Banner. SONY ELECTRONICS started to release the 2 Deck VCR - Allowing Home Users a method to record VHS Movies directly! This in turn would lead to SONY ENTERTAINMENT to Sue and Press for Compensation when people made illegal copies and tried to sell them... In effect, SONY provided the tools to copy and then punished you for using them!!! Companies KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING... They knew people would want something for nothing so Profited from that! The Release of Cassette to Cassette Recorders also made Software Piracy Easier... So, Many in the Software industry started implementing new methods to prevent illegal copies being made... ... But for those in the Scene, This is not a deterrent - Its a Challenge! The Scene does NOT AIM to cause any harm - They want to challenge themselves! For them its a matter of pride and skill! It is also why in many early releases - Things that leaked to The Pirate bay etc... Great Example, Red Alert 2... The Scene had CRACKED The Game - It was playable and they COULD HAVE released it complete! But the official Scene Version was released DELIBERATELY as a RIP... A RIP in this case being a DELIBERATELY CUT DOWN Product - They removed all the cutscenes and In game Video elements! The game was still 100% Playable - But to get the FULL Experience... You would have to BUY IT! The same was done to MAX PAYNE, And numerous others! The Scene aims to Challenge itself... They are their trying to show each other their technical prowess... The last things they want is the Industry to be harmed or they have nothing to work with! It is the same as HACKERS - The Majority of True Hackers don't hack to cause any harm... They are trying to challenge their skills! The Scene is about Personal Pride... NOT Piracy!
Wow, a video about piracy that actually has some information in it that I didn't already know, for once. This explains why it's always hard to find a high quality movie torrent (1080p/4K Blu-ray rip + very high bitrate). Great job, you clearly did a lot of research here.
@@user-ov6yp3kq1j 720p is a joke in 2019, and 3D was a gimmicky fad that's now dead (even Nvidia drivers no longer support it), and 1080p barely cuts it on my large 4K TV. But bitrate is just as important and YIFY bitrates are shit from what I've found. I want 6GB+ file sizes for 1080p, 11GB+ for 4K. You may as well just use those shitty free movie streaming sites if you're happy with such low bitrates.
Rockets are simple my dude - you set fire to some shit in a tube with a hole in one end, the shit you set fire to turns into gas, which takes up a LOT more space than the liquid it was before, and rushes out of the hole. Because every force has an equal and opposite, the gas rushing out of the can pushes the can forwards. Find stuff that burns with enough passion, and you can get to space. Everything else is just figuring out how to deal with adding more fuel making the rocket heavier, so it has to burn more fuel to take off, and nozzle shape. And not being blown up. I recommend reading "Ignition!" by John D. Clark. It's very good.
Fuck em, it's hilarious when someone leaks their shit out to everyone else. Fucking scrubs, getting butthurt over shit they've already stolen themselves.
love your content bud. You are criminally under subbed. Keep up the good work. Also, your voice is pretty badass. Would like to see maybe a video on how Epic Games Store is reviving game piracy.
@@bdub8627 Piracy's not entirely bad and it never affected in a serious way. How many studios have been closed by EA? I've lost count. How many studios have been closed by piracy or due to it? Yeah, nothing really springs to mind, does it?
idk man the channel looks like one of those run of the mill robotic narrator propaganda channels. He needs to do something about that if its not. Intonation should be more varied for starters.
Problem is, movies and games are simply too exoensive. If companies want to fight piracy, they need to slash prices across the board, which won't happen on greed companies.
Or they need to stop throwing mtx and make a better game. I only support games that aren't full of greedy shit like mtx. Evil within is a great example of an honest game. P. S most movies suck nowadays, not even worth looking at the trailers lol.
Too expensive? In some sort, yes. If the quality of the content we get would fit the prices, it would be ok already. But my experience with games, music and movies was until about 2005-2010...you got at least "what you paid for". But the newer any movie or game ist, the chances are higher its garbage and the publishers should PAY YOU FOR WASTING YOUR TIME. Especially at games.... i dont buy them anymore and i cant test them legally since demos/partial prereleases are very rare and you cant even be sure that the game will stay as good as it was at release (more or less the best you can hope for nowadays!). Most modern games are getting worse/more "casual" with updates/DLCs. Worse than they were already at its release! If i really like a game and i had good experience already with the downloaded cracked game - i probably buy it, sadly most games are not even worth keeping on the SSD, not even the HDD and get deleted again!
RE: TeleSync, this is not about video quality although it always helps, its more about audio. A TeleSync is just a CAM video with direct audio. Direct audio is audio that is recorded via a direct source, this used to be via headphone jacks in cinemas, from drive-ins, but more commonly these days the cinema can provide infra-red/induction loop receivers that have audio jacks on them for hard of hearing people, these often have both normal audio and audio descriptions on separate channels. That's my only nitpick in this very well made and detailed video.
Pirate codices are fascinating in how they make it all run smoothly. Thanks for this insight. Very interesting, in a good way. The "almost for sport" approach reminds me of hobby lockpicking.
I'd actually have respect for sceners if they actually tried to make an actual archive. Which is what I had initially thought they were doing with such strict standards. Turns out they're just stuck up pricks who want free movies.
video suggestion: historical look at how the term sharing, once thought of as nice got turned and demonized into piracy. and how the media and copyright lobby pushed for the massive extreme criminalization of said sharing. i think this would be a great video and maybe could also help waking people up, that digital sharing isn't a crime... i mean lots of kids growing up now think, that they are the god damn devil for watching or playing some shared digital stuff. a "how did we get here" type of video on the whole madness, that is the war on sharing, could be fascinating.
I once told a guy that I found a video game exploit that would make the game give you a 1000 coins which were worth like $10 and I asked him if he wanted to try it and he blocked me. I don't know what kind of stupidity goes through the minds of some people to think that finding an exploit makes me in the wrong. An exploit that was widely known too btw by that point.
that brings us kinda to another point, where people get removed from their games, even single player games, back in the day u could get everything in the game through gameplay including cosmetics and what not, nowadays if we take ac origins, u got lootboxes, daily quests, an army of dlc and loot dlc, uplay reward garbage etc... etc... + online connection, this whole feeling of "it's no longer your game, so u better behave" type of mentality needs to change, or things will get worse. and assuming u played a multiplayer game, 1000 coins for 10 dollars with coins being farmable through gameplay, that sounds like a probs multiplayer game, that already heavily shits on users.... but hey could be, that your game was f2p with no p2w and the coins can only be used for straight buy cosmetics and also attainable through gameplay, but having looked at the history of games and having seen where we are going, i doubt it was a decently fair system :D also: exploits are fun, as long as they aren't used in pvp or heavily fought for pve content progression like raids in mmos.
@@cataria3903 Coins were only attainable through paying money and solely used for cosmetic purposes. And you get 5 lootboxes from 1K coins or buy the battlepass. At first, the devs said they'd punish the exploiters but it became so wide spread and it took them so long to fix it that they just let it go. And yeah, free to play game multiplayer.
@@jakexd5524 is it called as piracy if you watch a pirated movie? Or what about movies where you don't know where they came from so you don't know if they're pirated or not?
sometimes pirating a movie is fine, i pay for the movies that are worth paying for and that are always available in online or local stores , but many of the movies aren't available in your country due to multiple reasons sometimes stupid reason and some are really reasonable but still you want to watch it. some cases are its really hard to find videos that cant be brought easily in local stores and it happens that there's some persons that has it uploaded for people who like to download it....
CAMs use the on-camera microphone, it can sound like garbage or kinda ok. TeleSyncs have a direct line audio recording, intended for headphones for people with bad hearing.
@@includenull Buddy HC is not a category. I have been understanding these categories by downloading these when I was not earning. Now, I m so I only choose to watch specific movies in Theatres.
Console game scene rules / weirdest console scene rules could have it's own video. One somewhat weird thing that scene enforced around Nintendo was that all ROM or Disc Image files shared need to be 100% full dump of the data medium, so, full size of the ROM used, or full disc image zeroes included. So even if Super Mario All-Stars for Wii is actually just a 13 meg game, as scene dictated it is only released as 4.7gig ISO. Also once a new hot game was being waited for Nintendo DS, but was nuked almost immediately a group shared it because it was "trimmed" and the file of the ROM had 2 megabytes of zeroes cut from it, making it a fully functional 121 meg file instead of fully functional 128meg file.
You could tag it "trimmed" but I agree it got exhausting at times. The original reason was for compatibility, but as everyone eventually got to the point where CSOs were interchangeable with ISOs it just became annoying. My prime example is Animal Crossing GC, which is 32MB without the zeros (as it's basically just an N64 game...) instead of the 4.7gb download. It's damn near impossible (at least it was...) to find the version without the zeros, and you had to do it yourself. I'm not sure if it was really a scene rules issue, more of an organizational issue, which is annoyingly common in Nintendo/Sony scenes.
*can u make a video about fake torrents or releases that are made to think people that torrents are not worth wasting time example media defender company that bombarded Internet with fake releases on behalf of right holders*
Precisely, @@TheRaveCrocker! I remember this crap back when I used to use Limewire before an online friend of mine on YIM turned me onto the torrent scene. Limewire was chockful of viruses and other malware on a rapidly increasing number of seemingly everything. Torrents on the other hand were alot safer. With most torrents you can easily download, but most of the older torrents seem to be dead forever. Bah!
IT IS ENTIRELY THE INDUSTRY'S FAULT! Piracy is not a choice or a culture or a mindset - it is a response to unfavorable conditions. Those pirated streaming sites - I see them as good preview sites. If the movie is good - I will go see it. I don't trust the trailers anymore.
Well, @@vlc-cosplayer , it's mighty unfortunate that the Triple A Gaming Industry is currently collapsing. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that the movie/TV industry has been collapsing for over a decade because the involved corporations refuse to give original non-Corrupted content. It's their way or the highway, and they blame you, the consumer, entirely whenever you don't buy and/or embrace any of their Corrupt content.
It seems like piracy makes it way easier to access movies, considering it always feels like you have to fight the DRM baked into the movie you just bought.
HDCP tipped the scale for me. Legit purchases will only play in low quality unless I buy a new TV because of new copy protection hardware in the new TV's
I used to pirate movies. I don't do that anymore because I don't watch movies anymore, Hollywood hasn't made anything good in over 15 years. Best form of DRM: Make your product suck.
This sounds like a perfect target for hackers that wanna practice their skills relatively safely; these guys are breaking the law and so can't resort to the legal system in case the hacker does get detected...
It isn't really "rare" anymore, as much as the processing of telecines has become obsolete. A proper telecine is the digital reproduction of the film stock, with no real standard by which to compare two differently sourced telecines. The quality was almost always better than a screener (or retail DVD) as it had no watermarks and (when done correctly) was a frame-by-frame composite of the reel used in a cinema. If you happened to be running a cinema with access to physical prints as opposed to digital satellite feeds or drive bays, then there is a possibility (usually from an international source) that an actual telecine could be released to a private group looking for a supplier. Honestly though, I think the last "true" telecines were released in the early to mid 2000s and haven't resurfaced since, (some groups (primarily P2P) have arrogantly released "high quality" telesyncs and labeled them (incorrectly) as telecines).
Great content as always. I'd like to see a video about videogame piracy. See if it really is a "significant threat to the gaming industry" and a "disservice to the creators" as people claim, sometimes hypocritically as they have pirated other things before.
This is extremely informational, and it is rare to see videos such as these about topics such as these. Thank you for spreading this information out there.
God I miss those days. Great video. My experience was that the warez sites were definitely "tiered". Not that I ever cared for that. I'd get the occasional invite from a tier site but the only time I ever accepted I regretted it. It was a bit like the Stepford Wives. Sometimes you'd upload to a site and find your links put behind a pay wall. We had our own ways of dealing with that and it usually ended badly for the site in question.
I just wanted to say this video is amongst a few that I keep coming back to years later because of the gem that it is. I loved it on the first day, and I still do 3yrs later, well done m8
You should do a video on the anime piracy groups next. They have their own interesting subculture as well and they used to be the pioneers of some popular digital video formats commonly used by these film scene groups today like x264 and .ssa/.ass subs.
Wow, this is an outstanding documentary, this certainly required a lot of research and you delivered the content in a concise manner. I'm not a gamer, but I really see potential in your "deeper" videos like this one, "Always Online DRM | Historical Analysis", and "Why reddit got popular". This has a vibe that reminds me of LEMMiNO, ColdFusion, and What I've Learned, and all of them have huge audiences. I don't know if you want to steer your content in this direction, but if you do, I'm pretty sure that your audience will grow exponentially. Best wishes!
Wow great video, I always wondered how these groups work and couldn't find any other videos that where in this much detail and gave this much information. I was also very surprised that it's mainly exclusive content
Look, I'm fine with DRMs for pre-release watching devices or theaters. But I'm not fine with companies (EA) installing it on _my_ machine. I paid for a game/movie, not software to analyze my digital media habits.
Btw telesync is a tripod mounted usually in the projection booth. Which the audio is usually connected to the direct audio stream. What you were describing there were just CAM's. You can still have a tripod mounted in the theater, but it will still be defined as a CAM, unless the audio is ripped from somewhere other than a cam mic.
Sceners: meticulously detail the release and have specific naming formats Me: just remove all the dots and delete all the extra fluff, leaving the movie name and year.
Okay, I'd love to watch an in-depth video like this one for tv shows, bc i clicked on this one bc i pirate tv shows and i wanted to know at least partially how the thing works.
TV Scene rules are not that different from the film rules, its just the source definitions are different. DSR > PDTV > HDTV etc But its all about speed, different capturing methods for different TV providers, segmented encoding, cutting commercials. Automation is key. Some TV groups even have pre-air sources which is how they can release the second the episode ends or before. (pre-air meaning they have access to a C-band satellite feed where the network sends the episodes to the local affiliates ahead of the scheduled air time).
Just wanted to say that TS versions have much better audio than that of cams, since it gets the audio from the source (drive-in or for the hearing impaired), rather than from a microphone set up in the theatre.
Used to run a music leaking site, the scene rules are pretty much the same, but for ripping CDS. Good video thanks. Been in the game for many years now, never in a group.
TS are recorded on theatres that provide sound output in your seat, where you can plug headphones. The enhancement comes from being a more direct audio source (without room noises). The tripod doesn't define the category, you can have cam versions that use tripods.
Speaking of piracy, I’d love to learn more about the 16-bit console scene. There’s a lot of history there that is in danger of loss, such as the old scene releases themselves, many of which were prototype ROMs
I thought telesync was cam video but with audio taken from headphone jack. So you get a better audio without hearing people talking or movie around in the theater.
The most important characteristic of a telesync is that the audio is taken directly from the source (like hooking up an audio recorder to the audio system of the movie theater with a cable), not recorded from the speakers themselves.
It's derived from "telecine" which was an older technique for broadcasting television before the invention of video tapes. The camera was set in front of a screen and the movie was projected from film into the screen, the audio was sent directly into the broadcast though, so basically the same thing.
I live in canada,piracy is a must if you want to keep up to date with tv shows cause most shows don't air in canada until after a full season run so by the time you get to see a show you've already had it spoiled by a facebook post or youtube thumbnail or just some random person on the internet.
Beregorn88 they send giamt hard drives and the cinema needs a good internet conmection. Each playback of the movie has a unique code and its updated on the fly as the movie data is streamed from the platter to the projector. If the film stops halfway, the cinema has to pay again for another key to restart the film. its isntant not like someone pulls out the company ccard, but yeah its crazy the protections they use.
The worst part of CamRIPs and TSs isn't the quality, but the people who get in front of the camera and babies crying, it always reminds me to never go to a cinema, why tf would i go out of my home to wait in a line to share a huge room with other people that can disrupt it for me, also i can't even pause it, rewind or anything else, it really sucks Sure the sound is good and all, but the image is distorted due to the screen's huge size when i could watch it at 4K at home with the screen in front of me instead of a block away
not everyone have 4K screen or 3D screen, or an ATMOS sound system. So for a lot of people going to the cinema, at least once per year, is a great experience.
@@xponen idk anyone that goes once per year, they either go once every 2 months or don't go at all Still, i'd rather watch it on a 2K screen rather than go trough all that trouble, and just enjoy a movie with wathever food i want while on my underwear, because i also forgot that cinemas don't allow you to bring your own food
Watermarks in films are actually older than dirt. A sort-of precursor to that was used in silent films where subtle logos are added to set props as a deterrent from pirates who'd pass it up as their own film.
This was super interesting, I had no idea scene groups had such strict rules and regulations, just goes to show that you need those if you want things to be done right, even if those things aren't quite legal themselves.
Telesync does NOT indicate a stabilized camera, it merely indicates that the movie theater has FM radio for hearing impaired people using hearing aid. This audio is then ripped at the same time, instead of using internal microphones to pick up the sound in the theater. However telesyncs usually are on tripods.
I'm usually ready to put in the least amount of effort to obtain releases. Inner workings, risks and strict rules of release groups seem absolutely alien to me. Unless they really are getting paid a lot for this.
One issue I have with modern implementatiosn of DRM is the use of technologies embedded only in Intel CPU's. If I wanted to play a 4K Blu Ray on my PC I wouldn't be able to because my CPU which is an i9 7980XE does not have an integrated iGPU which on an intel processor is what contains the SGX technologies. In short I have a computer that I use to author 4K content but can't playback legally purchased 4K content. This is one avenue in which piracy makes sense, because those who pirate ddont have to put up with these restrictions, only those who pay for their movies do. In this way it is the person who purchases a product that is penalised. Now I have a separate 4K blu ray player that I use, but my video production machine could do this if the SGX technologies weren't an artificial requirement.
@@CountlessPWNZ MMMmm, it would be fascinating to see, but unfortunately Intel CPU's with integrated GPU's are the only devices that have SGX hardware. Without SGX the final stage of the cryptographic handshake cant take place. I am aware that some have used hacked firmware, or early model drives with a software hack that can bypass the authentication process. But that is even a larger number of hoops to jump through just to watch a movie that I paid for. Simpler to drop the disc into an inferior player device.
@@CountlessPWNZ Unfortunately no, SGX technologies would need to be licensed to the GPU manufacturer in order for them to be included in a competitors GPU products. Until then we're stuck with this artificial requirement on PC. :(
Telesync is related to Sync Sound, which means any CAM video source with a synced Digital Audio or direct audio recording. It has little to do with the visual quality and more to do with the audio.
If you have a car, and I like the car a lot too. I've decided to recreate an identical copy of the car using my own components and tools. You still have your car, I've never came in contact with your car physically in anyway. How are you gonna explain to the authorities that your vehicle was stolen if you clearly still have your car?
I thought the difference between a cam and a telesync was the inclusion of a direct audio feed recorded from a headphone jack? Or that's how I've always understood it for like 15 years or so. And there are also workprints that are some times leaked although rare, I remember watching a workprint of the Wolverine Origins film, was hilarious as it only had half the cgi finished in it.
as far as I knew, TS is basically a camrip, but has better audio. As audio is usually taken from headphones jacks that some cinemas have, don't ask me why, maybe for hearing impaired to have better clarity audio than some surround systems can have. Emphasis on clarity, as explosions and other background noise can make speech part in some cinemas worse. and there comes also the name TeleSync, the video and audio is then synced to match. Instead of mono audio there will be stereo audio added to the video. But well... I might be wrong and someone smarter than me will correct me in comments probably.
@@pierrekuchmann3944 That is true. But if you watch till the end of the video. You will find out that almost all the rips out there on the surface web are actually "stolen" from the scene/groups.
@@ChronoCZ oh ok, lol stealing from the stealers. For old movies its not that hard tho only the servers are hard to pay for. Just use obs on a streaming site like Netflix and the quallity is pretty much good enough so its hard to notice any difference
Pierre Kuchmann no, there is a big difference. I watch all my shows through the best quality. If it isn't ripped straight from the stream, it'll look like shit. Only the normies think it's good enough to use internal recorders.
When your competitors are pirates your competing against free. The only thing these big companies have going for them is convenience and reliability. If I cannot trust them to be reliable and have a good customer experience why wouldn't I pirate games? I'm genuinely asking because I always feel like shit when I pirate. But try and get P.T or Scott Pilgrim on a current gen console without pirating or spending a ridiculous amount of money on Ebay. Go ahead I'll wait.
Not only that, but there's better security for pirated content than for things like DVDs, where the content of the DVD gets all messed up if the DVD gets scratched or dropped by accident. At least if something is pirated, backup copies are simple to produce.
Back in the VHS days, I worked at a company which bought surplus and used tapes from Hollywood Video, Blockbuster, etc., after they'd been out for a while. We re-sold them to Mom and Pop video stores for huge discounts. Eventually, we started getting screeners from the Studios. At that point, we could have theoretically duplicated them and made money from selling them. This would be even easier today with DVD and Blu-Ray screeners. We didn't do that, obviously, but you could.
Now that I know about scene culture, I understand why it was so hard for the lost media wiki to get the last episodes of Temo Supremo off...well I won't mention the scene for security reasons.
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I used to pirate a lot of movies, but so few movies are even worth pirating anymore. I guess Hollywood solved the problem by just making all their movies shit.
The movies are as shitty as ever, you just don't settle for mediocrity anymore.
at least independent film maker in some foreig country starting to become such blast movies nowadays, so it's a fair bargain.
@LOWFRAMEBLOX Shut up
@@klonrymeryme5293 foreign*
""I used to pirate a lot of movies"" Hol up
Don't you just love to watch some anti-piracy advertisement before you can watch a movie from a DVD you just paid money for.
yeah makes me wish that I pirated the movie. I don't understand the anti-piracy advertisement on DVD's. if you pirate you're not going to see it, only those who have a legal copy will. It's beyond stupid.
never seen one. i will not pay money for shit like this and 10 comercials before fuckign movie i bough. most of the time without bonuses,comentaries and shit.
@Xipo86 who would do that in 2019 lmao
same goes for music
Don't you just love to watch some anti-piracy comment about buying dvds before you can watch a movie for free..
actually when I was like 13-14 I was pirating DVD'S and Everytime I copied one it made a direct 1 to 1 copy and always started with that FBI warning and depending on the movie would show the dumb anti piracy message too lol. wow it's been over 10 years since I made a copy of a movie, do ppl still do that? like can you buy Blu-ray burners?
I'm a film maker from south africa, almost no independant film media is released here , sometimes even mainstream stuff (and when it does it arrives months after the release in the west), Piracy is literally the only way i can find some older films by auteur directors like Tarkovsky, Bela Tarr, Robert Altman, Lars Von Trier , etc... I once asked a director on instagram if he minds me pirating his work since ill never see a digital copy of his films here ever, he said "go ahead" its not really hurting him or his crew who made the film. Most people here have capped internet so streaming would waste our data especially when streaming in 4k or 1080p. Piracy is miraculous amongst us 3rd worlders its how we access media that we cant ever see
It's literally the same thing here in Romania. Netflix's selection is a sick joke, DVDs and Blurays are on the expensive side here (and the selection still sucks, which is made worse by the fact that stores that do sell prey on people who do buy and rarely apply discounts) and the used market...yeah, not happening. Renting died upon the arrival of the internet, so, as a result, in many cases if you want to see a specific film piracy might be the only option (I have done my best to get at least a few legitimately, but a few is the best way to describe my film collection)
@@BE3R-LF94 noroc cu conturile de filelist :)
Yeah, in my country there are so many titles unavailable for purchase that if you want to watch them legally you must buy them online and pay ten times as much as the film's worth for shipping. And internet speed is often too expensive.
@@BE3R-LF94 I have a legitimate question for you and K.E. Anderson: when you see documentaries on the kind of movie pirates on the streets of 3rd world countries or just-off-the-beaten-path countries, the covers and subtitles are absolutely fucked that clearly are done by amateurs. But wherever you go, there are always collectors of every stripe who work to access quality material. So what are the high-end piracy situations like in nations like yours? Are there people who work to find a way to make sure that pirated material is as good as can be accomplished?
@@Theomite To answer your question, I grew up in the Caribbean and piracy is an ART over here, no one can buy any legit material for the aforementioned reasons, to answer your question you can ask your DVD store about what you want and they will pirate it to your liking
Damn these pirates, they've got more order than them rich companies.
Multi-billion dollar company: releases game with 108 bugs
Some guy in China: cracks it and reduces the bug count to 35
Without rules we're just animals.
@@nabil14409 Better to encounter animals than animals in human skins.
@@darkpope6667 fucking skinwalkers am I right?
Perhaps no other medium than the movie industry has combated piracy in the worst way. It's absolutely batshit how many hoops you have to jump through to either watch Blu Rays (both 1080p and 4K) on PC, or stream 4K video on PC through _any_ streaming service. It's at the point where it's way, way easier just to pirate 4K content. Last I checked, making piracy the easier option defeated the entire purpose of DRM.
So true. Games seem to run much better as well. I bought AC Odyssey, but had the pirated version first. The pirated version used less CPU and framerate was a bit higher. Same with AC Origin. Might have had something to do with Uplay being present with the legit installs, but IDK. I chalked it up to internet activity / Uplay that didn't exist on pirate vers.
@@larrygall5831 Its not Uplay its a DRM called Denuvo that affects performance on all of their titles even tho they say it doesnt
@@larrygall5831 It's Denuvo you pleb. This channel literally has multiple videos showing the performance difference of games with and without Denuvo - Go watch them, they're great vids. All cracked/pirated games have Denuvo/DRM removed and it can significantly effect performance (not just frame rates but also loading times).
@@larrygall5831 Sometimes it's because they use lower res textures to reduce file size, they also often compress video files.
Uh, shoutout to that time Sony BMG put _rootkits_ on music CDs that literally only hurt legal consumers.
Then released a rootkit remover when the shit hit the fan, and it left users' systems in a WORSE state than before.
Judging from the state of Hollywood, it's morally justified to pirate their movies
Who would want to pirate that garbage though? Theres better ways to spend your bandwith. Porn comes to mind lol
Under what conditions would it be moral unjust, though? Most pirates do it just cause they can. Be interested to hear from you.
@@Theo_Caro Think TH-camrs, it's morally unjust to pirate their content simply because of scale, they don't have billions of dollars in production equipment, but Hollyweird do.
Also, as a pirate, I don't do it just because I can, I do it because I have no choice, I'd love to pay for my shit legally, but these companies do not acknowledge the existence of my country, so I have less than no choice but to be a pirate. The only one that acknowledges our existence is Steam, because Gaben doesn't care where the money comes from, so long as it keeps coming lol But aside from games, you'll never find a legal physical copy anywhere in this country, and the online services do not believe that we exist.
And after scrolling these comments, you'd be quite shocked at just how many countries are willing to pay, but can't because only America, Europe and China exists in the eyes of these companies.
Biggie Cheese Where are you from?
@@francovaldes8272 Trinidad, but I wish it was just us third worlders, apparently it's the same even in South Africa, I wasn't joking about these companies only caring for America and Europe.
its not piracy, if the film has ads in it! :)
YEAH BUT THEY'RE NOT GAINING REVENUE FROM THOSE ADS YOU THIEF! THOSE POOR MILLIONAIRE MOVIE MAKERS REEEE!!!
@@theanarchonazbolinquisition whats to like to have all your comments dontvoted?
@zenn22 can't tell if your gamer grammar is intentional or not, that being said i'm going to assume what you meant to say was "What's it like to have all your comments down-voted" To which I have to reply with, how would i know? TH-cam never had the decency of displaying comment down-votes...
That being said however...
𝙵𝚄𝙴𝚁𝙰 𝚂𝙸𝙾𝙽𝙸𝚂𝚃𝙰, 𝙶𝙻𝙾𝙱𝙰𝙻𝙸𝚂𝚃
That's like watching the movie on the tellie!
So if there's a product placement in the film, we are good to go?
Scene insider leaks new film: Sceners celebrate
New film gets leaked from the scene: Sceners complain
So much for honor among thieves :l
stuck up pricks
"Piracy is almost always a service problem"
-Gabe Newell
"Damn, Xarion Noirax's mom is a good lay" - Gabe Newell
and as Gabe Newell once said: "A pirate is just a dissatisfied customer"
Jacob Xiao Long Or someone who doesn’t have the money for it
@Duded Duded What do you mean?
Duded Duded hold power on what?
Duded Duded Ok? Lol
@Duded Duded Ok, this guy's a nutjob
Or there was the one time Sony accidentally uploaded the entire goddamn movie instead of just the trailer on their youtube channel...
Pretty sure that was more of a marketing move to generate interest in the movie. The movie wasn't really heard of prior to it being uploaded by Sony.
@@CaptainPeanut Still pretty funny though...
what film?
@Zfast4you 3 guesses what i did? :P
Ben Hur which movie was that?
Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest.
Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for,
because you never know when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid.
Aha
I see you are a man of culture as well
victor stop. you're trying to brain think again.
Hah, that said by a dishonest man of course. So i wont take your word for it :)
to stream this shit in a browser means u have to allow DRM a full on blackbox to run in your browser, which is a massive security risk!!! among other issues with it.
hence no one should stream through a browser or one of their apps....
on a similar reason, everyone should always!! run an adblocker like ublock origin, because regardless if u want or not want ads, or if u are fine dealing with drm, out of security alone, u CAN'T! run ads or drm!
Quoting Jack Sparrow I see... Mean... Captain Jack Sparrow... 🤣
So you are telling me that pirates have more morals, Ethics ans self control than corporate stooges? :P
No, he doesn't .
Nah. They're similarly morally absent and ethically bankrupt.
They have _standards_ though.
@Pooja Patil I thin one of the keys to understand is how 'The Scene' began - While there has always been Movie Piracy even back in the days of VHS and BetaMax (Yes I am old enough to remember both of them!) - The Scene really blew up with MicroComputers... Which became stronger as Companies divided their operations into different divisions...
Best Example - SONY... They Started SONY ELECTRONICS DIVISION, SONY MUSIC and SONY ENTERTAINMENT for Movie sand Television... So while all are SONY CORPORATE, All are actually Individual Companies under a Sony Banner.
SONY ELECTRONICS started to release the 2 Deck VCR - Allowing Home Users a method to record VHS Movies directly! This in turn would lead to SONY ENTERTAINMENT to Sue and Press for Compensation when people made illegal copies and tried to sell them... In effect, SONY provided the tools to copy and then punished you for using them!!! Companies KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING... They knew people would want something for nothing so Profited from that!
The Release of Cassette to Cassette Recorders also made Software Piracy Easier... So, Many in the Software industry started implementing new methods to prevent illegal copies being made...
... But for those in the Scene, This is not a deterrent - Its a Challenge! The Scene does NOT AIM to cause any harm - They want to challenge themselves! For them its a matter of pride and skill!
It is also why in many early releases - Things that leaked to The Pirate bay etc... Great Example, Red Alert 2... The Scene had CRACKED The Game - It was playable and they COULD HAVE released it complete! But the official Scene Version was released DELIBERATELY as a RIP... A RIP in this case being a DELIBERATELY CUT DOWN Product - They removed all the cutscenes and In game Video elements!
The game was still 100% Playable - But to get the FULL Experience... You would have to BUY IT! The same was done to MAX PAYNE, And numerous others!
The Scene aims to Challenge itself... They are their trying to show each other their technical prowess... The last things they want is the Industry to be harmed or they have nothing to work with! It is the same as HACKERS - The Majority of True Hackers don't hack to cause any harm... They are trying to challenge their skills!
The Scene is about Personal Pride... NOT Piracy!
@Asdayasman
Professionals have standards
-TF2 Sniper 2007
He made no moral claims. Any value judgements are your own.
The Virgin Buyer VS The Chad Pirate
😂😂😂😂
I bought CAMrips in early 2000s...
@@Main_Protagonist im happy we dont live in thoes times anymore lol
@@mushroomcrepes4780 hahah true. kazaa/napster/dc+ etc :D
sumosami THANK YOU! I forgot the name of the program I used to use and you helped remind me!
Wow, a video about piracy that actually has some information in it that I didn't already know, for once. This explains why it's always hard to find a high quality movie torrent (1080p/4K Blu-ray rip + very high bitrate). Great job, you clearly did a lot of research here.
Uhh what 😂😂😂 yify uploades nothing but blu-ray 720/1080/3d
@@user-ov6yp3kq1j 720p is a joke in 2019, and 3D was a gimmicky fad that's now dead (even Nvidia drivers no longer support it), and 1080p barely cuts it on my large 4K TV. But bitrate is just as important and YIFY bitrates are shit from what I've found. I want 6GB+ file sizes for 1080p, 11GB+ for 4K. You may as well just use those shitty free movie streaming sites if you're happy with such low bitrates.
@@ItPutsTheLotionOnItsSkin HDBits/PixelHD/UHD/AHD/PTP bruh
@@bravonolan Invite-only sites? I aint got time to stroke kiddies ePeens to get access to that shit.
@Alex Vargas Free? I'll post my email if it's free...
Jesus i feel like someone taught me how rockets work.
Well it is a racket
Rockets are simple my dude - you set fire to some shit in a tube with a hole in one end, the shit you set fire to turns into gas, which takes up a LOT more space than the liquid it was before, and rushes out of the hole. Because every force has an equal and opposite, the gas rushing out of the can pushes the can forwards.
Find stuff that burns with enough passion, and you can get to space.
Everything else is just figuring out how to deal with adding more fuel making the rocket heavier, so it has to burn more fuel to take off, and nozzle shape. And not being blown up. I recommend reading "Ignition!" by John D. Clark. It's very good.
@didrik mortensen Hit me up with a NoCD crack for Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 would ya?
So they didn't want me to enjoy those torrents? 😯 It's like finding out God hates you.
Yeah, its fucking crazy
yeah, this scene is even more evil than your legit studios and publishers
Fuck em, it's hilarious when someone leaks their shit out to everyone else. Fucking scrubs, getting butthurt over shit they've already stolen themselves.
@@HidingSleeper theives loyalty is a myth a dangerous myth.
Fucking bonkers :(
love your content bud. You are criminally under subbed. Keep up the good work. Also, your voice is pretty badass. Would like to see maybe a video on how Epic Games Store is reviving game piracy.
Game piracy died at some point?
@@Criselyon I dont think it died completely. I believe it is getting worse, though.
@@bdub8627 Piracy's not entirely bad and it never affected in a serious way. How many studios have been closed by EA? I've lost count. How many studios have been closed by piracy or due to it? Yeah, nothing really springs to mind, does it?
@@batmangovno Never said it was bad, bud.
idk man the channel looks like one of those run of the mill robotic narrator propaganda channels. He needs to do something about that if its not. Intonation should be more varied for starters.
Problem is, movies and games are simply too exoensive. If companies want to fight piracy, they need to slash prices across the board, which won't happen on greed companies.
eh that's what the steam sales are for, to mass buy a bunch of games cheap. Or use humble bundle :)
Or they need to stop throwing mtx and make a better game. I only support games that aren't full of greedy shit like mtx. Evil within is a great example of an honest game.
P. S most movies suck nowadays, not even worth looking at the trailers lol.
Too expensive? In some sort, yes.
If the quality of the content we get would fit the prices, it would be ok already.
But my experience with games, music and movies was until about 2005-2010...you got at least "what you paid for". But the newer any movie or game ist, the chances are higher its garbage and the publishers should PAY YOU FOR WASTING YOUR TIME.
Especially at games.... i dont buy them anymore and i cant test them legally since demos/partial prereleases are very rare and you cant even be sure that the game will stay as good as it was at release (more or less the best you can hope for nowadays!). Most modern games are getting worse/more "casual" with updates/DLCs. Worse than they were already at its release!
If i really like a game and i had good experience already with the downloaded cracked game - i probably buy it, sadly most games are not even worth keeping on the SSD, not even the HDD and get deleted again!
I am halfway trough this video and I am already numb for all the rules and regulations stuff...
RE: TeleSync, this is not about video quality although it always helps, its more about audio. A TeleSync is just a CAM video with direct audio. Direct audio is audio that is recorded via a direct source, this used to be via headphone jacks in cinemas, from drive-ins, but more commonly these days the cinema can provide infra-red/induction loop receivers that have audio jacks on them for hard of hearing people, these often have both normal audio and audio descriptions on separate channels.
That's my only nitpick in this very well made and detailed video.
One common fallacy about piracy: it is the result of commercial devaluation, not the cause.
Very underrated comment.
Pirate codices are fascinating in how they make it all run smoothly. Thanks for this insight. Very interesting, in a good way.
The "almost for sport" approach reminds me of hobby lockpicking.
I'd actually have respect for sceners if they actually tried to make an actual archive. Which is what I had initially thought they were doing with such strict standards. Turns out they're just stuck up pricks who want free movies.
video suggestion:
historical look at how the term sharing, once thought of as nice got turned and demonized into piracy.
and how the media and copyright lobby pushed for the massive extreme criminalization of said sharing.
i think this would be a great video and maybe could also help waking people up, that digital sharing isn't a crime...
i mean lots of kids growing up now think, that they are the god damn devil for watching or playing some shared digital stuff.
a "how did we get here" type of video on the whole madness, that is the war on sharing, could be fascinating.
I once told a guy that I found a video game exploit that would make the game give you a 1000 coins which were worth like $10 and I asked him if he wanted to try it and he blocked me. I don't know what kind of stupidity goes through the minds of some people to think that finding an exploit makes me in the wrong. An exploit that was widely known too btw by that point.
that brings us kinda to another point, where people get removed from their games, even single player games, back in the day u could get everything in the game through gameplay including cosmetics and what not, nowadays if we take ac origins, u got lootboxes, daily quests, an army of dlc and loot dlc, uplay reward garbage etc... etc...
+ online connection, this whole feeling of "it's no longer your game, so u better behave" type of mentality needs to change, or things will get worse.
and assuming u played a multiplayer game, 1000 coins for 10 dollars with coins being farmable through gameplay, that sounds like a probs multiplayer game, that already heavily shits on users....
but hey could be, that your game was f2p with no p2w and the coins can only be used for straight buy cosmetics and also attainable through gameplay, but having looked at the history of games and having seen where we are going, i doubt it was a decently fair system :D
also: exploits are fun, as long as they aren't used in pvp or heavily fought for pve content progression like raids in mmos.
@@cataria3903 Coins were only attainable through paying money and solely used for cosmetic purposes. And you get 5 lootboxes from 1K coins or buy the battlepass.
At first, the devs said they'd punish the exploiters but it became so wide spread and it took them so long to fix it that they just let it go. And yeah, free to play game multiplayer.
piracy has done so much good to the world which is why i believe it will never die
NORMALIZATION OF IGNORANCE piracy is a term used for illegal distributing copyrighted content. Not sure what you’re mad about.
@ You don't understand the underlying problems that caused piracy.
Welcome to the world we live in, when there's no second option, we'll make one.
Ai will stop it
@@jakexd5524 is it called as piracy if you watch a pirated movie? Or what about movies where you don't know where they came from so you don't know if they're pirated or not?
sometimes pirating a movie is fine, i pay for the movies that are worth paying for and that are always available in online or local stores , but many of the movies aren't available in your country due to multiple reasons sometimes stupid reason and some are really reasonable but still you want to watch it. some cases are its really hard to find videos that cant be brought easily in local stores and it happens that there's some persons that has it uploaded for people who like to download it....
CAMs use the on-camera microphone, it can sound like garbage or kinda ok.
TeleSyncs have a direct line audio recording, intended for headphones for people with bad hearing.
Releases with hardcoded subtitles are labeles "HC" not HDRip
Also, "HDRip" isn't used in the Scene, its a P2P term.
@@includenull Buddy HC is not a category. I have been understanding these categories by downloading these when I was not earning. Now, I m so I only choose to watch specific movies in Theatres.
Console game scene rules / weirdest console scene rules could have it's own video.
One somewhat weird thing that scene enforced around Nintendo was that all ROM or Disc Image files shared need to be 100% full dump of the data medium, so, full size of the ROM used, or full disc image zeroes included. So even if Super Mario All-Stars for Wii is actually just a 13 meg game, as scene dictated it is only released as 4.7gig ISO. Also once a new hot game was being waited for Nintendo DS, but was nuked almost immediately a group shared it because it was "trimmed" and the file of the ROM had 2 megabytes of zeroes cut from it, making it a fully functional 121 meg file instead of fully functional 128meg file.
You could tag it "trimmed" but I agree it got exhausting at times. The original reason was for compatibility, but as everyone eventually got to the point where CSOs were interchangeable with ISOs it just became annoying. My prime example is Animal Crossing GC, which is 32MB without the zeros (as it's basically just an N64 game...) instead of the 4.7gb download. It's damn near impossible (at least it was...) to find the version without the zeros, and you had to do it yourself.
I'm not sure if it was really a scene rules issue, more of an organizational issue, which is annoyingly common in Nintendo/Sony scenes.
Dang, even the piracy is well regulated. All those rules sound very logical (in their own way), maybe they should run the EU.
Vote for the Pirate Party :D
@randy s you capitalist.
@@freelanceart1019
TEGRIDY!
This channels quality is consistently excellent. Very detailed and interesting. Your criminally undersubbed
God Tier Content : ✔
God Tier Voice/Narration : ✔
I wouldn't say God tier, something is off with the voice. Maybe OG should get a better mic.
It is text to speech.
*can u make a video about fake torrents or releases that are made to think people that torrents are not worth wasting time example media defender company that bombarded Internet with fake releases on behalf of right holders*
Are you talking about the ones that would show the major film logo like 20th century fox, get super glitchy and then give you a virus?
Precisely, @@TheRaveCrocker! I remember this crap back when I used to use Limewire before an online friend of mine on YIM turned me onto the torrent scene. Limewire was chockful of viruses and other malware on a rapidly increasing number of seemingly everything. Torrents on the other hand were alot safer. With most torrents you can easily download, but most of the older torrents seem to be dead forever. Bah!
IT IS ENTIRELY THE INDUSTRY'S FAULT!
Piracy is not a choice or a culture or a mindset - it is a response to unfavorable conditions.
Those pirated streaming sites - I see them as good preview sites. If the movie is good - I will go see it. I don't trust the trailers anymore.
Well, @@vlc-cosplayer , it's mighty unfortunate that the Triple A Gaming Industry is currently collapsing. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that the movie/TV industry has been collapsing for over a decade because the involved corporations refuse to give original non-Corrupted content. It's their way or the highway, and they blame you, the consumer, entirely whenever you don't buy and/or embrace any of their Corrupt content.
I won't give Hollywood any money or these scum bags making these garbage modern films. I dont even bother pirating anymore.
It seems like piracy makes it way easier to access movies, considering it always feels like you have to fight the DRM baked into the movie you just bought.
HDCP tipped the scale for me. Legit purchases will only play in low quality unless I buy a new TV because of new copy protection hardware in the new TV's
DRMed ePUBs are really annoying as well.
I used to pirate movies. I don't do that anymore because I don't watch movies anymore, Hollywood hasn't made anything good in over 15 years.
Best form of DRM: Make your product suck.
How true man.I find one good movie in a few years now and even that is shit.I just watch the classics every now and then.
This sounds like a perfect target for hackers that wanna practice their skills relatively safely; these guys are breaking the law and so can't resort to the legal system in case the hacker does get detected...
Oh, that's actually exclusive content. Thanks, it was very interesting
You forgot telecine. It sits between telesync and screener in quality. They are very very rare nowadays though.
Woaaa i can't even remember the last time i saw a telecine rip. Was rare back in the day also because it needed some serious access.
It isn't really "rare" anymore, as much as the processing of telecines has become obsolete. A proper telecine is the digital reproduction of the film stock, with no real standard by which to compare two differently sourced telecines. The quality was almost always better than a screener (or retail DVD) as it had no watermarks and (when done correctly) was a frame-by-frame composite of the reel used in a cinema.
If you happened to be running a cinema with access to physical prints as opposed to digital satellite feeds or drive bays, then there is a possibility (usually from an international source) that an actual telecine could be released to a private group looking for a supplier. Honestly though, I think the last "true" telecines were released in the early to mid 2000s and haven't resurfaced since, (some groups (primarily P2P) have arrogantly released "high quality" telesyncs and labeled them (incorrectly) as telecines).
Also not mentioned. Telesync also has good quality audio. Screeners also can come from the web. While rare Workprints are also a source.
Great content as always.
I'd like to see a video about videogame piracy. See if it really is a "significant threat to the gaming industry" and a "disservice to the creators" as people claim, sometimes hypocritically as they have pirated other things before.
They already did a video about that, it's called "Game Piracy Explained".
@@SwirlyTwirl
He did? How long ago?
Spoiler: It's not.
@John Doe
5 months ago, you should find it pretty quick. there's also another video about the game cracking scene.
World War Z got released on 16th April (just last week), well guess what...😂😂😂
This is extremely informational, and it is rare to see videos such as these about topics such as these. Thank you for spreading this information out there.
I love these piracy themed vids man ! Keep it up 🙃
Well
This certainly turned out to be a lot more complicated and involved than I thought it was
Appreciate the breakdown
* movie companies *
"God, I hate piracy!"
"I won't have my movie on Netflix, I earn too little"
God I miss those days. Great video. My experience was that the warez sites were definitely "tiered". Not that I ever cared for that. I'd get the occasional invite from a tier site but the only time I ever accepted I regretted it. It was a bit like the Stepford Wives. Sometimes you'd upload to a site and find your links put behind a pay wall. We had our own ways of dealing with that and it usually ended badly for the site in question.
this is awesome can you do a video about software piracy also? would love to learn about r2r and other groups.
Piracy starts where convenience ends.
Dealing with the scene and private trackers is like the exact opposite of convenience.
I just wanted to say this video is amongst a few that I keep coming back to years later because of the gem that it is. I loved it on the first day, and I still do 3yrs later, well done m8
It seems that the scene has more passion and puts more effort for the contents than the film makers and Hollywood themselves :D
You should do a video on the anime piracy groups next. They have their own interesting subculture as well and they used to be the pioneers of some popular digital video formats commonly used by these film scene groups today like x264 and .ssa/.ass subs.
I don't understand all the information in the video but at least I know I'm not being talked down to.
Exactly, ArchHippy.
Wow, this is an outstanding documentary, this certainly required a lot of research and you delivered the content in a concise manner. I'm not a gamer, but I really see potential in your "deeper" videos like this one, "Always Online DRM | Historical Analysis", and "Why reddit got popular".
This has a vibe that reminds me of LEMMiNO, ColdFusion, and What I've Learned, and all of them have huge audiences. I don't know if you want to steer your content in this direction, but if you do, I'm pretty sure that your audience will grow exponentially.
Best wishes!
I agree!
Wow great video, I always wondered how these groups work and couldn't find any other videos that where in this much detail and gave this much information. I was also very surprised that it's mainly exclusive content
When you really think about it, even saving an image of a copyrighted thing is piracy, as tedious it may be to consider
Nice, a change in music! Great video as always.
Telesyncs often include audio from Induction loop setups where you can plug an audio jack into or other sources...
Watching this while I wait for Ep2 of Game Of Thrones to download 😪
Look, I'm fine with DRMs for pre-release watching devices or theaters. But I'm not fine with companies (EA) installing it on _my_ machine. I paid for a game/movie, not software to analyze my digital media habits.
I feel like you need to make a feature-length doco on the history of piracy
Btw telesync is a tripod mounted usually in the projection booth. Which the audio is usually connected to the direct audio stream.
What you were describing there were just CAM's. You can still have a tripod mounted in the theater, but it will still be defined as a CAM, unless the audio is ripped from somewhere other than a cam mic.
Awesome video!! Keep up the great work bro
Wow. This was incredibly fascinating. I will never look at file names the same way again. ;)
Sceners: meticulously detail the release and have specific naming formats
Me: just remove all the dots and delete all the extra fluff, leaving the movie name and year.
Okay, I'd love to watch an in-depth video like this one for tv shows, bc i clicked on this one bc i pirate tv shows and i wanted to know at least partially how the thing works.
TV Scene rules are not that different from the film rules, its just the source definitions are different. DSR > PDTV > HDTV etc
But its all about speed, different capturing methods for different TV providers, segmented encoding, cutting commercials. Automation is key. Some TV groups even have pre-air sources which is how they can release the second the episode ends or before. (pre-air meaning they have access to a C-band satellite feed where the network sends the episodes to the local affiliates ahead of the scheduled air time).
Just wanted to say that TS versions have much better audio than that of cams, since it gets the audio from the source (drive-in or for the hearing impaired), rather than from a microphone set up in the theatre.
what film is that in background at the beginning. BTW great video as always
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Love your videos dude. I am amazed at the amount of work you put behind each video. Kudos!
Love these videos man - One thing I have noticed over the years is the Audio Scene seems to have died what happened. Search VST Team AiR etc
interesting how video piracy has changed so much in the past 40 years since vcr recorded movies
Cant get enough of your content really great stuff. Hope you start adding the name of the music to your videos. Great choice of tracks. Thanks.
Interesting. Can you make a video about pirating software, like Adobe stuff, music software like DAWs and VST plugins?
If I get worthwhile information, yeah
Used to run a music leaking site, the scene rules are pretty much the same, but for ripping CDS. Good video thanks. Been in the game for many years now, never in a group.
TS are recorded on theatres that provide sound output in your seat, where you can plug headphones. The enhancement comes from being a more direct audio source (without room noises). The tripod doesn't define the category, you can have cam versions that use tripods.
Speaking of piracy, I’d love to learn more about the 16-bit console scene. There’s a lot of history there that is in danger of loss, such as the old scene releases themselves, many of which were prototype ROMs
2:40 How exactly are you meant to secretly mount a camera on a tripod in a theater?
It's often done inside the projection box by the projectionist
Also, I have been to projections with no one else in the theater...
Outstanding content and subject.
I thought telesync was cam video but with audio taken from headphone jack. So you get a better audio without hearing people talking or movie around in the theater.
Good video. More then 10 years since I last was in the Scene, brings back memories :)
Loving this type of content. It's very informative
Could do one on anime piracy and subtitle groups.
Pirate would say. In the past Japan attack us, so watching sub anime illegally is one way we do a payback.
Most fansub groups intentionally make their releases public. It probably has to do with anime companies not having the global influence of the MPAA.
@@lowegule135 Pretty sure Hiroshima was payback enough...
The most important characteristic of a telesync is that the audio is taken directly from the source (like hooking up an audio recorder to the audio system of the movie theater with a cable), not recorded from the speakers themselves.
It's derived from "telecine" which was an older technique for broadcasting television before the invention of video tapes. The camera was set in front of a screen and the movie was projected from film into the screen, the audio was sent directly into the broadcast though, so basically the same thing.
I live in canada,piracy is a must if you want to keep up to date with tv shows cause most shows don't air in canada until after a full season run so by the time you get to see a show you've already had it spoiled by a facebook post or youtube thumbnail or just some random person on the internet.
Films are distributed in digital form to cinemas: are those copies pirated too? If not, what is the reason?
Beregorn88 they send giamt hard drives and the cinema needs a good internet conmection.
Each playback of the movie has a unique code and its updated on the fly as the movie data is streamed from the platter to the projector. If the film stops halfway, the cinema has to pay again for another key to restart the film.
its isntant not like someone pulls out the company ccard, but yeah its crazy the protections they use.
The worst part of CamRIPs and TSs isn't the quality, but the people who get in front of the camera and babies crying, it always reminds me to never go to a cinema, why tf would i go out of my home to wait in a line to share a huge room with other people that can disrupt it for me, also i can't even pause it, rewind or anything else, it really sucks
Sure the sound is good and all, but the image is distorted due to the screen's huge size when i could watch it at 4K at home with the screen in front of me instead of a block away
not everyone have 4K screen or 3D screen, or an ATMOS sound system. So for a lot of people going to the cinema, at least once per year, is a great experience.
@@xponen idk anyone that goes once per year, they either go once every 2 months or don't go at all
Still, i'd rather watch it on a 2K screen rather than go trough all that trouble, and just enjoy a movie with wathever food i want while on my underwear, because i also forgot that cinemas don't allow you to bring your own food
@@rompevuevitos222 as a 2k screen owner, only games and youtube deliver 2k content. its sad.
Watermarks in films are actually older than dirt. A sort-of precursor to that was used in silent films where subtle logos are added to set props as a deterrent from pirates who'd pass it up as their own film.
Great informative video as always man! Could you tell me what the name of the background song is?
You wouldn't download a bear.
uhhh yeah I would.
Mate that guy stole my pirated webrip that's copyright infringement
Sceners would probably unironically say that.
This was super interesting, I had no idea scene groups had such strict rules and regulations, just goes to show that you need those if you want things to be done right, even if those things aren't quite legal themselves.
Telesync does NOT indicate a stabilized camera, it merely indicates that the movie theater has FM radio for hearing impaired people using hearing aid. This audio is then ripped at the same time, instead of using internal microphones to pick up the sound in the theater.
However telesyncs usually are on tripods.
I'm usually ready to put in the least amount of effort to obtain releases. Inner workings, risks and strict rules of release groups seem absolutely alien to me. Unless they really are getting paid a lot for this.
One issue I have with modern implementatiosn of DRM is the use of technologies embedded only in Intel CPU's. If I wanted to play a 4K Blu Ray on my PC I wouldn't be able to because my CPU which is an i9 7980XE does not have an integrated iGPU which on an intel processor is what contains the SGX technologies. In short I have a computer that I use to author 4K content but can't playback legally purchased 4K content.
This is one avenue in which piracy makes sense, because those who pirate ddont have to put up with these restrictions, only those who pay for their movies do. In this way it is the person who purchases a product that is penalised. Now I have a separate 4K blu ray player that I use, but my video production machine could do this if the SGX technologies weren't an artificial requirement.
does rendering via gpu fix the sgx authentication?
@@CountlessPWNZ MMMmm, it would be fascinating to see, but unfortunately Intel CPU's with integrated GPU's are the only devices that have SGX hardware. Without SGX the final stage of the cryptographic handshake cant take place.
I am aware that some have used hacked firmware, or early model drives with a software hack that can bypass the authentication process. But that is even a larger number of hoops to jump through just to watch a movie that I paid for. Simpler to drop the disc into an inferior player device.
@@CountlessPWNZ Unfortunately no, SGX technologies would need to be licensed to the GPU manufacturer in order for them to be included in a competitors GPU products.
Until then we're stuck with this artificial requirement on PC. :(
Telesync is related to Sync Sound, which means any CAM video source with a synced Digital Audio or direct audio recording. It has little to do with the visual quality and more to do with the audio.
this should be a book or a 90+ minute documentary. brilliant stuff here.
I would rather there be movie pirates than actual high seas piracy again.
Oh wait . . .
If you have a car, and I like the car a lot too. I've decided to recreate an identical copy of the car using my own components and tools.
You still have your car, I've never came in contact with your car physically in anyway. How are you gonna explain to the authorities that your vehicle was stolen if you clearly still have your car?
I thought the difference between a cam and a telesync was the inclusion of a direct audio feed recorded from a headphone jack? Or that's how I've always understood it for like 15 years or so. And there are also workprints that are some times leaked although rare, I remember watching a workprint of the Wolverine Origins film, was hilarious as it only had half the cgi finished in it.
as far as I knew, TS is basically a camrip, but has better audio. As audio is usually taken from headphones jacks that some cinemas have, don't ask me why, maybe for hearing impaired to have better clarity audio than some surround systems can have. Emphasis on clarity, as explosions and other background noise can make speech part in some cinemas worse. and there comes also the name TeleSync, the video and audio is then synced to match. Instead of mono audio there will be stereo audio added to the video. But well... I might be wrong and someone smarter than me will correct me in comments probably.
This isnt pirating explained but obscure movie rip clubs explained
Obscure? You realise almost every single movie on pirate bay etc... has come from them?
@@ChronoCZ ok i thought he said multiple times that these clubs are only for registred insiders and only someone who contributes gets acces
@@pierrekuchmann3944 That is true. But if you watch till the end of the video. You will find out that almost all the rips out there on the surface web are actually "stolen" from the scene/groups.
@@ChronoCZ oh ok, lol stealing from the stealers. For old movies its not that hard tho only the servers are hard to pay for. Just use obs on a streaming site like Netflix and the quallity is pretty much good enough so its hard to notice any difference
Pierre Kuchmann no, there is a big difference. I watch all my shows through the best quality. If it isn't ripped straight from the stream, it'll look like shit. Only the normies think it's good enough to use internal recorders.
When your competitors are pirates your competing against free. The only thing these big companies have going for them is convenience and reliability. If I cannot trust them to be reliable and have a good customer experience why wouldn't I pirate games?
I'm genuinely asking because I always feel like shit when I pirate. But try and get P.T or Scott Pilgrim on a current gen console without pirating or spending a ridiculous amount of money on Ebay. Go ahead I'll wait.
Not only that, but there's better security for pirated content than for things like DVDs, where the content of the DVD gets all messed up if the DVD gets scratched or dropped by accident. At least if something is pirated, backup copies are simple to produce.
Back in the VHS days, I worked at a company which bought surplus and used tapes from Hollywood Video, Blockbuster, etc., after they'd been out for a while. We re-sold them to Mom and Pop video stores for huge discounts. Eventually, we started getting screeners from the Studios. At that point, we could have theoretically duplicated them and made money from selling them. This would be even easier today with DVD and Blu-Ray screeners. We didn't do that, obviously, but you could.
Now that I know about scene culture, I understand why it was so hard for the lost media wiki to get the last episodes of Temo Supremo off...well I won't mention the scene for security reasons.