Fixing eBay Junk - Dreamcast Restoration - Part 2 - Disc Read and Boot Issue
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.พ. 2018
- In this video, I continue to repair the smoky Dreamcast from "It's Mail Day 4". This thing was covered in smoke, but I cleaned up the case. This system had the issue where it told me "Please insert Game disc". After some adjustments, it would boot into the Sega License screen, but back into the menu. I show you how I got this system up and running.
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So many people criticizing how he works! He seems to get things working and I going to presume that he isn't actually a professional console repairer! So chill!
so what?? the original manufacturer 'pro-repairs' have died down long ago
Dave I agree, there are sometimes more than one method to get the same end result.
He gets a lot of critique but from what I can tell he's not getting any really bad comments. He gets a lot of good advice that you'll see him apply in later videos too, like the pencil eraser on cartridge connectors, etc.
That's actually refreshing. Unlike Hugh Jeffreys who will tell you to "tape up broken glass (screens/backs)" in the same video he's not doing that, every single time.
Pot tweaking without any sort of multimeter? You need to know if you are actually doing anything to the pot. You might even be putting more resistance impeding the laser. And if you happen to put too much power to the laser, you can shorten the life of the laser and eventually damage it.
Even so, love the restoration project! Keep doing what you do!
instablaster.
I guess seeing you mess with the laser assembly reminded me - I recently picked up a Gamecube, and upon plugging it in to test it, it wasn't reading most of my games. I gave it an inspection, and turns out, there was a wad of paper shoved behind the laser, preventing it from moving. 😂
I would highly recommend that you grease up the GD-Drive arms. I’m sure I could hear like a scratching noice each time it was reading the disc.
Really good channel and love fixing things myself, so always good to watch others enjoy it too 👍🏻
This. She sounds like she needs her cogs and bars greasing.
All Dreamcast systems have that grinding. No way to get rid of it unfortunately.
Pingapong64 my dreamcast doesn’t make that sort of noise when reading disks. I have slight fan noise but nothing like on this video.
@@rockapartie whenever I took disc based systems apart, I always made sure the arms and cogs have fresh grease. Maybe when they first built these they didn’t apply much grease?
Maybe I was just lucky not to have a loud one.
Really enjoyed this Dreamcast series, you just found yourself a new sub :) Now to binge watch your old stuff lol
I am really enjoying your videos. It's great to see the teardowns of less common systems like this. It's great material to let run in the background _and_ to learn from at the same time.
The disc spinning sound when he swapped the laser reader made me think of old memories lol and at that moment I thought it was goin to play the game
You know, I really enjoy the content you have going on here, I do a lot of similar work with things myself. If I ever go to Canada I'll have to hit you up and have a brew or 3 cause you seem like a pretty chill guy and maybe pick your brain on some project stuff.
Best channel ever!!! The only channel ever sub!!! Keep up the good work. Thank you for your time and effort
I've adjusted the resistance to the laser. These days making back ups is pretty easy, but those adjustments will allow the Dreamcast to read CD-RWs, which it has trouble doing normally. Great channel!
Great video! I always enjoy watching these when I'm lying in bed.
Have you tried using the original laser after you bent those power pins back in place? Maybe that laser wasn't getting enough power either.
I also know nothing about this stuff, so I could be dead wrong. I just like watching this stuff.
Lostmymind1 I didn't, but it won't take much to just try it on another system.
I really do think the laser is the issue though, the new laser behaved much differently even with the bent pins.
This whole ordeal felt like watching Frankenstein's monster come to life. Good job Retro
Nice vid man, I enjoy watching these vids keep it up.
I love this kind of videos, Keep it up the good work! Cheers from argentina
NXz0n3 thanks! Glad you like them
Love tech repair videos and yours are some of the best. Just subbed can't wait for the next video.
Nice job Saving those Sega dream cast systems
This power supply full of ashes is unsettling, also touching it may send your soul straight to hell/heaven.
I don't know if everyone is aware but I have 2 dreamcast and on one of the lasers the pot need an anti clockwork turn to increase laser voltage and the other one needs a clockwise. On my multimeter it shows a decrease of ohms is to increase the laser. Just might help you get this one working :) keep em coming dude great work
Dude, I 'm getting hooked on your videos! Keep making nice retro console videos. However please keep an open mind and listen to your followers' suggestions, I often see very good tips down there in the comments :)
Another great video! I saw a video where a guy spent a lot of time trying to adjust the laser and he finally tried swapping parts with a known good system and it turned out the board was the problem and the laser was fine. Since you have spares, it might save ya some time to try that method. I'm very curious if the old laser worked too!
Ignore all the idiots bitching about how you're doing things. We're hobbyist repairmen and we often do things wrong.
Constructive criticism is one thing, whining is another. DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE!!!
Having watched both parts 1 & 2 there, I have to say that you've done a pretty awesome job of restoring this old Sega Dreamcast :o and it does make me jealous in a way that I wish I could do this kind of thing myself, as it would be a great overall feeling to have brought something 'back from the dead' in a way like that, though considering what you said this console had been through, it could've potentially been damaged far beyond the point of repair if it was smoke AND fire damage! D:
Will look forward to seeing part 3 soon hopefully, but no rush as I could certainly understand that this kind of repair/service job could take awhile, as well as requiring a lot of trial and error to see if things work or not (as seen in parts 1 & 2), but here's to hoping you'll be able to better clean that power unit/board part and maybe it'll help restore functionality to those original parts without the replacements (where possible at least)!
Great videos im sure itle help lots of us dreamcast players get ower loved dreamcast back and running in no time.. big thumbs up.. :) :D
Nice vid but, dont touch the power supply that way when you just turn of the system 😁
Incredible work :)
I had a similar problem just on my ps1 just ordered a new laser and save me the hassle nice videos
I love these vids, subbing and hoping for ps1 repair, maybe gamecube!
Thank you!! I had tried this before, but this video was much clearer and helpful. The screw twist was enough. My DC is working again!! Quick question.. the game I played first shut down after a few moments. However each time I tried it lasted a bit longer, until finally it's lasted for a good 15 mins now and still going. (Hello Virtua Tennis incidentally!) Any ideas why this is? Anything to do with the ML2032 recharging?
Your channel is growing fast man! Just remember I’ve been here from the beginning. Curious how did you learn to fix consoles?
Mainly through trial and error and research. THere's lots of good resources online, and odds are if your'e having a problem, someone else is too. I try and look up different known problems of new consoles I buy to get an idea of what I might be getting myself into
RetroRepairs well you do a very good job!
Was there a part 3 somewhere? Great video as I'm starting to want to get into this kind of stuff.
@ 12:55 was that part of the laser assembly that was inadvertently pulled out by the fibers of the q-tip?
Congrats on repairing the Dreamcast. Im gonna have to tear mine apart soon
Also hi doggie !
Thanks, and she says KISS rocks.
The worst part of the video is that you never take readings with a multimeter, then
you touch with your bare hands the power supply without having discharged the capacitors.
The initial value of the laser is very important, because it is the most practical way to play with the pot without lowering the power of the laser too much.
The power supply has capacitors of 250 to 400 volts, if you are going to disassemble the source, disconnect the console from the power without turning it off so that they are discharged.
I don't understand the comments such as this one that criticizes how people work and point out every detail that is incorrect. What is the point? I'm honestly asking for the understanding of why, I'm not trying to put another person down or make them feel lesser than. If I in doing this I do offend I really apologize.
Its better to calmly say whats wrong than to explode in anger.
Yes use a multimeter and measure the resistance before turning the pot. Also use a pen to mark the original starting position. Peace!
Kerri McKeon being critical is a big part of how people learn new things, or how to do things better.
@QQ How that information is delivered is the issue here. Being helpful with constructive criticism is wonderful. The condescension, however, is unnecessary and detracts from the useful information.
Another Sega console saved i just love a good outcome
I agree. Very nice to see a console, which in the beginning looks like it's a lost case, becoming fully working again :) Well done fix.
Those bacon socks are magical
Awesome video
*So did the old laser work with the power supply fix?* I've got the Dreamcast, Game Cube and a Panasonic DVD/VHS combo needs fixed! The combo needs a disc drive and the consoles need cleaning up, but my main concern is the combo, is there any recommendations for a replacement or fixing the disc drive?
Its because on your video i bought a dreamcast from the goodwill and trying to fix it. Waiting on av cables and controller and game. The laser moves up and down so we see soon...
The road to random resetting is a well worn path. I'd have to run multiple games on it over a period of a week or so before declaring it fixed and reliable.
Very true. The best part is the testing, but I'm not sure you all want to watch me suck at video games for an hour.
RetroRepairs Tony Hawk's is so playable too.
lordsofkoble right? Thps2 was the one I played the most, but I'll power through a nice og thps session
RetroRepairs Same actually, great soundtrack.
mine take long time to boot and when insert disc it stay stucked at "wait for disc is being checked". and i can only power off and power on again
What if my laser assembly doesnt move back and forth but the laser and everything else still works normally?
future purchase.. a camera tripod.. ha haa nice video..
You should check the solder points on that row of pins for the power board connector and do a careful touch of reflowing them.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure it lasts for years to come
Hi
trying to restaure mine. The disc gets to spin, but it does so forever while the DC just goes to main menu. Hitting the play button the prompts to insert a disc, despite having a disc in and spinning. I tried cleaning stuff up and playing with the pot with no result. Do you have any idea ?
Fantastic video😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
I wish you tried the old lens with the power supply solution, just to check.
I'll try the lser on another system later, but just replacing the laser resulted in immediately different behaviour.
I'm not sure if it's safe to soak a laser pickup in alcohol to clean or not, that might be an option.
you touched the laser with your fingers in part 1 when you were reassembling......
Hi, I love your channel. I've been learning a lot with your videos. I'm no expert in refurbishing consoles but I'll like to add a piece of knowledge here. The problem you mentioned about having a poor connection from the power supply and the pins to the main board was definitely NOT what was happening, I fixed that problem on 2 units already. When you have this problem the console will randomly reset to the dreamcast logo (like it was being turned off and on again), not to the system menu, the problem was probably your Sonic Adventure GD. If you run into that problem in the future, I recommend using rubbing alcohol on the pins, the bending method didn't do the trick for me.
"Don't want to scratch that laser lens, it's very sensitive"
_proceeds to wipe laser lens with dirty Q-tip_
*TRIGGERED*
Grow up soyboy
*B O I*
I have a problem with my Dreamcast won't turn on unless I remove the entire laser ensemble any idea what cause's the issue😞
Steffano Barbieri no light or anything? But if you remove the assembly it will boot into the menu?
Could be a short to ground somewhere. I'd disassemble the laser assembly to make sure nothing is loose and looks right.
It's possible a motor in the drive has failed and is shorting.
Also possible the connection to the power supply is not strong. Do what I did towards the end of the video and bend the pins back a bit. Also inspect them for dirt and grime, possibly clean them with alcohol.
I tried adjusting it and it won't stop spinning and still won't boot
Wait you had Christmas decorations up in February?
Alexandria worse.....
16:26 wild DOGGO appears!
I love Tony hawk pro skater
I fixed a black sports edition model with the same boot issue just by removing and re-seating the power supply. Seems to be something to it....
Odd, the pins do have some give to them, so I'm betting it's a fairly common issue
The person it belonged to said that they would leave it on for hours and hours and it would get very hot. I always guessed maybe some thermal expansion/contraction caused those pins to lose solid contact. Its interesting that yours was subject to immense heat as well.
Interesting. Also worth noting, I did completely disassemble this one, so it must have been a more extreme disconnect.
I have a black NFL edition Dreamcast and whenever i turn it on it most of the time just restarts sometimes right away sometimes a couple minutes after booting up a game. This sound like anything youve come across?
Tyson Bash I'd check the power supply first. I've heard of them causing all sorts of problems. Like I do in this video, bend the pins that connect it towards the back of the system to ensure a solid connection
appreciate the response. Love the vids, I enjoy how you go into depth about repairing things most people go halfway or start a repair guide with the inten of just replacing an entire piece but you do a complete teardown and verify piece by piece.
Glad to help, and glad you enjoy the videos. The point of these for me is to show the entire process, even if I screw something up, as there's a chance someone else will run into the same problems I dif
Where's part 3?
never ever "adjust" a lens this way, you need an oscilloscope to check the RF "eye pattern" signal, this is the only way to have accurate
ie : www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/how-to-perform-an-eye-pattern-test-on-this-cd-player/?action=dlattach;attach=82972;image
Micks u are a nerd
indeed !
Micks your cool tho
Whats the harm? You cant break it anymore if it doesn't work in the first place right?
this potentiometer adjusts the level of current going through the laser diode, it acts like a resistor, if you get off limits you can burn the laser overtime
Do think you could do an Atari 2600 repair in the future ?
If I find a system and the price is right, absolutely. I've been thinking about doing an AV mod to my personal console.
Id love to. I picked up a lot of 8 genesis systems sold as defective, but each one of them works. I could do a basic cleaning video, but no real repairs to do. The genesis was a really solid console. The snes on the other hand.... Huge failure rate.
Do you think you can upload videos in 1080?
Eventually, I specifically picked 720 for space reasons, but I'd like to upgrade my setup once I have a dedicated spot to do these repairs (Middle of a home reno).
RetroRepairs Oh, yeah, storage space can be a pain. How big is your SD card at the moment?
Still waiting Part 3 tho
You may find Gadgetuk164 videos interesting he goes into detail on recalibrating lasers with an oscilloscope and where to find rf test points. 👌
invest in a cheap tripod dude :) Just kidding.. good video
Hardcore repair
I guess I'm too late here to say it, but still: the trim-pot for the laser can actually even kill the laser itself in some cases. Since it adjusts the current to it, you can burn it with too high current. I should have suggested trying the cleaning process 1st on that other video, but I guess it would still have given issues afterwards
By increasing the pot you just shorten the life of the laser, might as well just get a new laser
mate, you seriously need to sort out your lighting, you need a strong light source in front of you to eliminate shadows, otherwise we can't see what you're doing half the time
My Dreamcast suddenly decides to reset itself at random times, do you know what may cause it?
dodgy power supply maybe
good chance of a power supply issue, or could be a bad component on the mainboard. Usually newer systems will turn themselves off to prevent further damage (Which is what a Red Ring of Death on an xbox basically is). I'd try removing and re-seating the Power Supply. Try bend the pins in slightly like I do towards the end of this video for a quick and easy fix. If that doesn't work, probably a bad component - hopefully not the CPU.
You showed a good way of cleaning and tweaking the laser. I should do it as well :)
The laser shouldn't have much to do with the system resetting itself, but give it a try. You never know. Sometimes a good cleaning of all components does wonders. Maybe try tear the entire console apart like I did in Part 1 of this series and reconnect it. Could just be a bad connection that gets loose when it heats up.
henfjo how does buying a genesis solve that?
:)
Just so you know it
If a disc with no date is getting read by a Dreamcast will the console get the disc spin crazy fast
Nicolas D. Madsen uh. You mean disc right?
Yes
If you want to know what I mean about the disc spinning crazy fast
Look at this video link: th-cam.com/video/QZ55QOC8siY/w-d-xo.html
(Warning I found out the disc is not spinning so fast as I remember)
You must not clean lens with any type of cleaning fluid. You will destroy polarizing layer on the lens ,if you do that this optical head is unusuable!!only with moisture from your breath is enough !!
If you want to bypass the whole need to repair the laser, you could always go through the process of soldering in an SD Card reader and/or an IDE cable, and boot games directly from a hard drive or SD card through Dreamshell. You'd also need a working GDROM drive temporarily to install Dreamshell, and ideally a replacement BIOS chip for the console on which to install Dreamshell to so you wouldn't need to disc-boot it. It's very well made, and I've used it on multiple consoles in the past. The hard part is the soldering, as well as cutting holes in the case to run the wires outside the console.
Dreamshell: www.dc-swat.ru/page/dreamshell/
DCIDE Guide: 8bitplus.co.uk/projects/dreamcast-ide-dreamshell/
*imitates the canadian accent*
*Even though it's my own accent*
Eh?
Take those screws oot.
I dond see any laser signal.
Rogelio Aguas the laser is not visible on the dreamcast
RetroRepairs - sorry i dont remember much i repaird my Japanese dreamcast that i hade to sell and i thought i remembered it did, but maybe i'm wrong. Once again sorry, love your vids.
Rogelio Aguas no worries, glad you enjoy the video
Watching the rest of the video, where you try to 'adjust' the laser, I could not believe how you are setting a bad example. Seriously, you never should start turning trim pots without even checking a single voltage. BTW, if that soot is all over the electronics you may read funny voltage values. Clean the damn thing with the right products, designed for electronics. Especially the trim pots. And make sure you don't have any shorts or low resistances in the logic area, because of the soot, since that is composed of conductive carbon.
stop using que tip to clean leans, you basicly scratching it
use dust blower and lens wipes, thats only proper way
btw nice videos
keep it comming
no you don't have to adjust the laser power on dreamcast normally. this is not a ps2 that had problems now. you could see the laser is dead just from turning it on though since there is no red so either there is a lot of buildup on the second lower lens or the laser dead. if you see no red laser at all everything else is a waste of time. this don't have invisible lasers now. adjusting the power is the last thing you should ever do. that is going to burnt he laser out because over driving it. you should have just cleaned it before even thinking about adjusting it.
so to sum it up the reason the laser power had to be turned up on the ps2 was because the lenses were dirty. turning up the power made it cut through the dust instead of cleaning the dust off the right way. the thing is with this dreamcast the laser just died or there is a lot of buildup on mirrors and lenses inside the dreamcast one.
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The one that currently works also doesn't have a visible laser
Cleaning filthy, greasy PCB's, like that PS, is easy and can be done with "Oven & BBQ Cleaner". It is a white foam. Spray generously on the PCB, let it soak and bubble for a couple of minutes, while working it in every little corner with a long hair paint brush. Rinse well with lukewarm water. Dry with a paper towel and hair dryer (not too hot). Oven cleaner is safe, it will not attack the PCB nor the soldering mask or the printed schematic. It does not attack components or colour codes. I use it all the time to clean electronic stuff, works like a charm, much better than alcohol.
never move the trimmer. NEVER. Now try the original laser unit since the problem is with the power supply.