thanks and blessings for your comprehensive answer. really appreciated. actually my question was more regarding the confused mystic part. but still your explanation is really good. couldnt said it better@@soalianfp9397
Yesternight was laid up w pain and listening to this removed my attention from the phenomenal me and the pain dissipated and I could sleep. Thx Francis.
There is no Doer. There is no one not to do. There is no procrastinator. No procrastinator means no one left to “do.” No one left to do means there’s no one left to discipline. No discipline needed means there’s nothing to plan. No plan requires no words. No words need no thoughts. No thoughts mean no self. No self = No Doer Beautiful discourse-thank you for sharing your experience, and thank you for your simple guidance. ❤️
I appreciate Francis’ laser focus on the being/awareness or sat/chit unity (identity) and its essential/foundational aspect. It seems his emphasis on this has been increasing lately, although maybe it’s simply a matter of (as the kids say) curation. Something that often comes to mind though is, ‘What about ananda?’ I suppose Francis might say that as you become increasingly intimate with the sat/chit recognition and realization, ananda will gradually ‘reveal’ itself (as also what you ‘are’). And yet I have to wonder if all three are not always ‘there’ and some glimmering sense of them isn’t a good place to ‘start’. In that context, I like to think of ‘ananda’ as ‘meaning’ and/or ‘care’. So if we ask ourselves ‘Is there something or nothing?’ and in answering this question come to the sat/chit realization, we might also ask ourselves, ‘So what?’ or ‘Does this ‘realization’ have any significance or meaning?’ That is, ‘Why do you care?’ Maybe Heidegger was getting at this with his focus on ‘care’ (Sorge). It strikes me that this ‘care’ or ‘meaning’ is intrinsic to the ‘consciousness’ that is engaged in the very inquiry that Francis urges us to undertake. It’s not ‘out there’, it’s intrinsic to what we ‘are’, intrinsic to being/awareness. Care is right there from the very beginning and that meaning/care can be realized in the manifest realm as ‘happiness’. Care, or an orientation toward meaning, is with us from that first inquiry into our ‘being/awareness’ itself. So, yes, sat/chit, but let’s go for the whole enchilada and recognize the sat/chit/ananda ‘identity’ from the beginning. That may require a degree of rethinking of ananda though (or of the meaning of ‘meaning’). Incidentally, that’s another thing I appreciate about Francis. Despite being an ardent apostle of ‘happiness’, (perhaps in the face of yet another round of anxious supplicant questioning) he doesn’t always seem happy, at least in the ‘happy face’ sense of the word. But the care is always there, that’s deep and palpable.
It's easy to get stuck here because we hold onto our concept of peace or bliss. It's better to think along the lines of non suffering/non searching/always okayness. Don't look for the good stuff. Just look for the absence of the bad stuff, and then nothing more is needed.
@@Asitismusic That’s actually something I’m trying to take into account here. ‘Ananda’ gets translated as bliss, happiness, love, peace, and even ‘security’, and of course there are those who attempt to address those phenomenal ‘positives’ and/or ‘variables’ along some of the lines you suggest. ‘Absence of dissatisfaction’ seems to be the most popular. But in using ‘meaning’ I am trying to get at something that would round out a ‘noumenal’ (to use a term Francis seems to prefer) triad, something that ‘qualifies’ along with being and consciousness as that which ‘must be’, an ‘invariable’, a quality just as intrinsic and essential to that which ‘is’. I’m happy to take the approach you mention in certain contexts, but if you follow my initial argument perhaps you can help me situate ‘ananda’ more essentially in a Borromean knot of sat/chit/ananda. As I say, Francis makes a great start with his question ‘Is there something or nothing?’ establishing the sat/chit identity, and I’m sometimes tempted to simply say that ‘ananda’ references a kind of ‘touch’ or ‘interiority’ to consciousness itself. Maybe it’s not important though (particularly for those serenely ensconced in the ‘okayness’ you mention) and maybe I’m just horsing around, but somehow the whole question has an abiding fascination for me, and I always find Francis’ take on the sat/chit identity to be of value.
@@hanayama8721 I think I understand what you're saying. Some teachers touch on this. The Ananda part is not as immediately obvious as the other two. I think this comes with familiarity in some sense. Once you really get to know yourself as the aware space, its qualities become more and more obvious and at a certain point all three qualities of the triad are evident. It has to do, in a sense, with 'trumping' the mind by asking the right questions. It is difficult for the mind to say no when asked "am I aware?", more difficult still to say no when asked "do I exist" or "is something happening?". But when asked "is this peaceful" it is difficult to say yes, at least in the beginning. For me the right question has to be found in order to bring the mind into alignment. "Is it possible for this to suffer" "is it possible for this to lose or gain anything" are more appropriate questions. Im not sure if I'm understanding you correctly but I don't know in what way 'care' or 'meaning' comes into this, as there is nobody there to care. It doesn't have to mean anything and in the broader sense is a meaningless experience. "So what" is in some ways a valid response, because awareness is completely normal and flavourless, but that's the beauty of it. It's just fine the way it is, it doesn't need any meaning assigned to it. Sorry this is a bit of a jumbled response. It's an interesting discussion though!
@@Asitismusic So we actually agree that the ‘ananda part is not as immediately obvious’. I consider that in my initial comment on Francis’ focus on bringing people to an awareness of the essential nature and identity of sat/chit, and agree that it may be a shrewd heuristic move. And I may be going out on a (phenomenal) limb in using the term ‘care’ as a way to unpack the meaning of ‘meaning’, but if you say that there is nobody to ‘mean’, I can say that the same goes for being and awareness as well. There is ‘nobody’ to ‘be’ or to ‘be aware’. The same goes for meaning. It is simply essential to being/consciousness. It’s not ‘meaning for’ a given ‘self’, it’s ‘meaning as’. I think ‘care’ is suggestive as well, if we can free it from a ‘somebody’, but I’m not going to take it any further here. Perhaps we could say that consciousness as such has a dual aspect, one that might be described as the root of all ‘cognition’ or ‘objectivity’ and another that might be described as the root of ‘feeling’ or ‘subjectivity’. The intuitions of the ‘true’ and the ‘beautiful’ may have something to do with these two kinds of awareness/meaning. So ‘chit’ is the central term and ‘sat’ (which can be translated as both truth and existence) has to do with a capacity for what we call ‘objectivity’ and ‘ananda’ has to do with a capacity for what we call ‘subjectivity’. Francis often speaks of ‘truth, love, and beauty’, but I think love and beauty might be grouped with peace or happiness and grouped within a triad which recognizes beautiful objects (beauty), beautiful subjects or ‘others’ (love), and the beauty of the Subject itself (peace/happiness). That is, all three ‘feelings’ have to do with a recognition by awareness of the intrinsic ‘beauty’ of awareness, and how this may show up in some manifest ‘form’. We are thus ‘touched’ by ‘another’ which is actually our own essential being. It is the unconditional ‘Yes’ we give to all three. I’m ok with ‘ok-ness’ as well.
Wow this is really great. It made me think about Sat Chit Ananda. I always said "yes we are Sat Chit Ananda, that's who we really are" but I never actually tested it. So I can clearly see Sat and Chit, existence and awaremess... I am that I am, being and being conscious of that. But where is Ananda? Existence and awareness is evident but it's not immediately obvious that I am Ananda too. Can you please elaborate on that?
How can one know that there is a self after the death of the body? We have only ever known existing while there is a body. Surely this is in the realm of belief. It can’t be known by experience. Even if I know myself as everything in my awareness, I’m still doing so through a body. This doesn’t bother me at all. Just posing the question.
Hello, It is possible to find teachings who say we receive an unique identity sparkle of original Creator's light. Saying we only may know that we exist and that we are aware, is not a victory nor a subject of contentment because we still do not know the uniqueness of our being as the Creator has wanted it for us. Who am I, has to have an answer in an altered state of mind, beyond the limits of perception in this world. So, because the solution always comes from a higher dimension, we have to ask and to receive the Creator's answer in an altered state of mind. It may be very important, in order to fullfill the goal of our coming in this world.
I love how every confused mystic ends up with Francis after they find Rupert. 😅
can u elaborate pls
They're both very lovely beings.
@@luismoref yes. I feel incredibly greatful to both.
thanks and blessings for your comprehensive answer. really appreciated. actually my question was more regarding the confused mystic part. but still your explanation is really good. couldnt said it better@@soalianfp9397
Who is Rupert?
Francis is like that…two or three sentences and you have got the truth on the palm of your hand…. Wonderful semplicity❤️❤️❤️
Super grateful for this wonderful sharing. Blessings to you both.❤
Yesternight was laid up w pain and listening to this removed my attention from the phenomenal me and the pain dissipated and I could sleep. Thx Francis.
Beautiful.... 💜
There is no Doer.
There is no one not to do.
There is no procrastinator.
No procrastinator means no one left to “do.”
No one left to do means there’s no one left to discipline.
No discipline needed means there’s nothing to plan.
No plan requires no words.
No words need no thoughts.
No thoughts mean no self.
No self = No Doer
Beautiful discourse-thank you for sharing your experience, and thank you for your simple guidance.
❤️
beautiful pointer❤
Beautiful sharing. Thank you dear! ❤❤❤
Thank you both. Helps me a lot too.🙏
Brilliant advice. I’m in a similar place 🙏
Brilliant!!!
So simple, so true; who or what I'M I? being and awareness all the rest it is only imagination....
I appreciate Francis’ laser focus on the being/awareness or sat/chit unity (identity) and its essential/foundational aspect. It seems his emphasis on this has been increasing lately, although maybe it’s simply a matter of (as the kids say) curation.
Something that often comes to mind though is, ‘What about ananda?’ I suppose Francis might say that as you become increasingly intimate with the sat/chit recognition and realization, ananda will gradually ‘reveal’ itself (as also what you ‘are’). And yet I have to wonder if all three are not always ‘there’ and some glimmering sense of them isn’t a good place to ‘start’.
In that context, I like to think of ‘ananda’ as ‘meaning’ and/or ‘care’. So if we ask ourselves ‘Is there something or nothing?’ and in answering this question come to the sat/chit realization, we might also ask ourselves, ‘So what?’ or ‘Does this ‘realization’ have any significance or meaning?’ That is, ‘Why do you care?’ Maybe Heidegger was getting at this with his focus on ‘care’ (Sorge). It strikes me that this ‘care’ or ‘meaning’ is intrinsic to the ‘consciousness’ that is engaged in the very inquiry that Francis urges us to undertake. It’s not ‘out there’, it’s intrinsic to what we ‘are’, intrinsic to being/awareness. Care is right there from the very beginning and that meaning/care can be realized in the manifest realm as ‘happiness’. Care, or an orientation toward meaning, is with us from that first inquiry into our ‘being/awareness’ itself.
So, yes, sat/chit, but let’s go for the whole enchilada and recognize the sat/chit/ananda ‘identity’ from the beginning. That may require a degree of rethinking of ananda though (or of the meaning of ‘meaning’).
Incidentally, that’s another thing I appreciate about Francis. Despite being an ardent apostle of ‘happiness’, (perhaps in the face of yet another round of anxious supplicant questioning) he doesn’t always seem happy, at least in the ‘happy face’ sense of the word. But the care is always there, that’s deep and palpable.
It's easy to get stuck here because we hold onto our concept of peace or bliss. It's better to think along the lines of non suffering/non searching/always okayness. Don't look for the good stuff. Just look for the absence of the bad stuff, and then nothing more is needed.
@@Asitismusic That’s actually something I’m trying to take into account here. ‘Ananda’ gets translated as bliss, happiness, love, peace, and even ‘security’, and of course there are those who attempt to address those phenomenal ‘positives’ and/or ‘variables’ along some of the lines you suggest. ‘Absence of dissatisfaction’ seems to be the most popular.
But in using ‘meaning’ I am trying to get at something that would round out a ‘noumenal’ (to use a term Francis seems to prefer) triad, something that ‘qualifies’ along with being and consciousness as that which ‘must be’, an ‘invariable’, a quality just as intrinsic and essential to that which ‘is’.
I’m happy to take the approach you mention in certain contexts, but if you follow my initial argument perhaps you can help me situate ‘ananda’ more essentially in a Borromean knot of sat/chit/ananda. As I say, Francis makes a great start with his question ‘Is there something or nothing?’ establishing the sat/chit identity, and I’m sometimes tempted to simply say that ‘ananda’ references a kind of ‘touch’ or ‘interiority’ to consciousness itself.
Maybe it’s not important though (particularly for those serenely ensconced in the ‘okayness’ you mention) and maybe I’m just horsing around, but somehow the whole question has an abiding fascination for me, and I always find Francis’ take on the sat/chit identity to be of value.
@@hanayama8721 I think I understand what you're saying. Some teachers touch on this. The Ananda part is not as immediately obvious as the other two.
I think this comes with familiarity in some sense. Once you really get to know yourself as the aware space, its qualities become more and more obvious and at a certain point all three qualities of the triad are evident.
It has to do, in a sense, with 'trumping' the mind by asking the right questions. It is difficult for the mind to say no when asked "am I aware?", more difficult still to say no when asked "do I exist" or "is something happening?". But when asked "is this peaceful" it is difficult to say yes, at least in the beginning. For me the right question has to be found in order to bring the mind into alignment. "Is it possible for this to suffer" "is it possible for this to lose or gain anything" are more appropriate questions.
Im not sure if I'm understanding you correctly but I don't know in what way 'care' or 'meaning' comes into this, as there is nobody there to care. It doesn't have to mean anything and in the broader sense is a meaningless experience. "So what" is in some ways a valid response, because awareness is completely normal and flavourless, but that's the beauty of it. It's just fine the way it is, it doesn't need any meaning assigned to it.
Sorry this is a bit of a jumbled response. It's an interesting discussion though!
@@Asitismusic So we actually agree that the ‘ananda part is not as immediately obvious’. I consider that in my initial comment on Francis’ focus on bringing people to an awareness of the essential nature and identity of sat/chit, and agree that it may be a shrewd heuristic move.
And I may be going out on a (phenomenal) limb in using the term ‘care’ as a way to unpack the meaning of ‘meaning’, but if you say that there is nobody to ‘mean’, I can say that the same goes for being and awareness as well. There is ‘nobody’ to ‘be’ or to ‘be aware’. The same goes for meaning. It is simply essential to being/consciousness. It’s not ‘meaning for’ a given ‘self’, it’s ‘meaning as’. I think ‘care’ is suggestive as well, if we can free it from a ‘somebody’, but I’m not going to take it any further here.
Perhaps we could say that consciousness as such has a dual aspect, one that might be described as the root of all ‘cognition’ or ‘objectivity’ and another that might be described as the root of ‘feeling’ or ‘subjectivity’. The intuitions of the ‘true’ and the ‘beautiful’ may have something to do with these two kinds of awareness/meaning.
So ‘chit’ is the central term and ‘sat’ (which can be translated as both truth and existence) has to do with a capacity for what we call ‘objectivity’ and ‘ananda’ has to do with a capacity for what we call ‘subjectivity’.
Francis often speaks of ‘truth, love, and beauty’, but I think love and beauty might be grouped with peace or happiness and grouped within a triad which recognizes beautiful objects (beauty), beautiful subjects or ‘others’ (love), and the beauty of the Subject itself (peace/happiness). That is, all three ‘feelings’ have to do with a recognition by awareness of the intrinsic ‘beauty’ of awareness, and how this may show up in some manifest ‘form’. We are thus ‘touched’ by ‘another’ which is actually our own essential being. It is the unconditional ‘Yes’ we give to all three. I’m ok with ‘ok-ness’ as well.
Awareness of myself as ananda/no separation/love seems to arise when I notice that all beings share "my" awareness and being.
Thank you!
Another help could be:
Try not to be.
Its impossible
Beeing shines like the sun without any effort , Its self evident
-everything is-
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Thank you 🙏
Superb ❤
Beautiful
holy shit,mind blowing
So simple ❤
Thanks for sharing truth. 🎯♥😶 🙏☮ Happy Holidays to everyone
Wow this is really great. It made me think about Sat Chit Ananda. I always said "yes we are Sat Chit Ananda, that's who we really are" but I never actually tested it. So I can clearly see Sat and Chit, existence and awaremess... I am that I am, being and being conscious of that. But where is Ananda? Existence and awareness is evident but it's not immediately obvious that I am Ananda too. Can you please elaborate on that?
Knowing myself as ananda/no separation/love seems to arise when I notice that all beings share "my" awareness and being.
This simplicity is beautiful
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If one feels with the head many words cant discribe if you feel with the hart you know all
How can one know that there is a self after the death of the body?
We have only ever known existing while there is a body.
Surely this is in the realm of belief.
It can’t be known by experience.
Even if I know myself as everything in my awareness, I’m still doing so through a body.
This doesn’t bother me at all. Just posing the question.
🙏🙂
~❤~
Hello, It is possible to find teachings who say we receive an unique identity sparkle of original Creator's light. Saying we only may know that we exist and that we are aware, is not a victory nor a subject of contentment because we still do not know the uniqueness of our being as the Creator has wanted it for us. Who am I, has to have an answer in an altered state of mind, beyond the limits of perception in this world. So, because the solution always comes from a higher dimension, we have to ask and to receive the Creator's answer in an altered state of mind. It may be very important, in order to fullfill the goal of our coming in this world.
Who is the Creator in your knowledge?
Who is this guy relating ?
Its confussing still
🤍 simply living