Everybody can easily notice how Tuomas is *pissed off* and worn about Tarja's and Marcelo's attitude towards the rest of the band. He rarely shows his feelings, being a very shy and controlled person. But in this video he clearly shows hints of his rage, sometimes. His eyes say it all.
What attitude? It looks like there's already tension and we don't know who's fault it is. If she sticking close to her husband, why are we to assume that that's a bad thing? Maybe Tuomas was jealous?
I feel bad about Marcelo when I see the joke part. He's just standing there alone, fiddling with Tarja's bag, while others are making fun of them right there in front of him, in a language he can't understand. I don't know why they thought this was DVD material.
It is called a locker-room type of talk. And women do that too, even harsher. And yes, most humans say those kind of dirty jokes at least few times in their life. And whoever says otherwise is either living in the middle of the woods surrounded by perfect angels, or more likely, are lying through their teeth.
I totally agree. I guess that it was a joke from their side but that was just awful. Seems like they didn't respect her at all. No wonder she was always with her husband that he could like protect her. I think she felt safe with him
@antonsdefrancua When did she change? Before or after firing? Oh my goddess, how can you find this joke funny...that sucks, it was bad and stupid, and as whutnot900 said, disrespectful, very disrespectful. I really wonder what did Tarja think about it when she saw that (IF she saw that).
@MelWolff yes man so i think men of the band were bad with tarja also , they don't understand a girl has not the same problem in concert with them but marcelo was the really bad in this story not tarja !! sorry for my english lol
There's very little interaction between Tarja and the guys and I find it odd how Marcello seems to put Tarja in the corner and block all interaction from the other members.
@whutnot900 Okay, I just looked up the definition of "foreskin" and now I know why that was so offensive. I can't believe they would say something like that, especially in front of her husband! As much as I love the guys, that seriously pisses me off.
Yeah, it's disappointing. Atleast now that they are a bit older I hope they have learnt from their mistakes. And hey, Marco and Tarja have already made up which is a good sign, also Tarja has said that she has stayed in touch with Tuomas.
Everyone who says that Marcelo was the villain here, please, google about sexual assault on Tarja in Mexico. I hadn't known about that when watched this document and I also noticed that was same wall between Tarja&Marcelo and the band and that Marcelo was pulling Tarja away from the NW. I also had thought that Marcelo was evil one. But now I can see what could be the reason behind all of what happened in the band.
The true villain is Ewo, the band manager. Because of his stupidity and incompetence to properly organize things, he constantly fueled the differences within the band. And Tuomas and the boys were filled with prejudiced info coming from Ewo, being convinced that Tarja was undermining everything. Then they didn't want to talk to her, so this kept worsening the relation. They treated her with disrespect and neglect, she made a lot of sacrifices to save their asses in the meantime. And finally they wrote that awful letter with just enough inaccuracies and twisted facts to make the fans believe she was the actual villain. I finally completed the puzzle after years of reading and exploring.
@@nocturnal03 Well, if you know more, do go ahead and say it. Instead of being gullible and blindly believing what they wanted people to believe, you might want to consider the idea that it could be against their interest to objectively state the facts. With some more research and a second read of their own book, one starts realizing that something just doesn't add up. And what I wrote about Ewo is something that even Emppu touched upon in the book, they let that much go through to make it seem objective.
@666JSchaffer666 Hello, first thx for posting. But I have one question, how can I activate the english subtitles? I bought the dvd yesterday, and I don't find them lol.. Could you help me please? Thanks :)
And treasonous. I don't get how you can treat your childhood friend the way they did; let her get sexually assaulted onstage, abandon her in her hotel room, then wonder why she prefers hanging out with Marcelo than them, saying shit like "Sing, bitch, sing!", and "Strip of foreskin?". Like, wtf?!
@77elvistheking I am sorry to break it to you, but days earlier before that interview she told Tuomas that she would be doing only one more album album and leave (all written in the public letter). Besides, that wasn't my point for the ironic part. The point was that she was saying this while the rest had already decided to kick her out.
@MerelMystery Of course everyone can be mean sometimes, they also talk like this among each other and laugh about it. That´s just kind of a "I´m the coolest, hardest one around here" - guys thing. But this time I consider it to be different, it has kinda deeper meaning and knowing they would kick her out in a few days, it has an even more bitter taste, at least to me. Couldn´t they just have left her at least, like they excluded her half of the time, anyway?!
@antonsdefrancua I read it already, thx. But I disagree, in addition they said it even if Marcelo was there, just near them. It's more disrespectful. More and more. It's definitely not a funny joke, it's a disgusting joke.. Do you think she changed because of that letter? Were you there to notice it? That's just a question. Of course, a joke was good at this time, to relax, but not this one. But that's your opinion (oh Goddess how many times did I say it? lol), and this is mine.
@77elvistheking Doesn't have to do with my opinion, only facts... If you are asking my opinion, I don't think Tarja is a bad person neither the rest of NW. I actually like both. I know for some it sounds hard to believe, but I am actually one of the few people mature enough to suppport music and not care about why some musicians just didn't get along. It's just another part of life. Long story short, both are great, they just didn't get along on the way, end of story. ;)
@77elvistheking I don't really know what is a lie or not concerning their personal choices but as for letting her go before the album, if they didn't feel like doing it, they did the right thing. Nobody should force anyone in anything. I like both old and new NW and I like Tarja's solo career as well, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as both deliever good music for us to hear! :)
@whutnot900 I wasn't trying to give you the impression that I didn't find it offensive. I just don't know what the insult means. I wasn't trying to come across as rude or argumenative.
No Emppu said it. Wen his phrase was sill in the air, the camera showed Jukka's face - unmoving. He didn't even laugh. Then he politely explained something to Marcelo who seems to ask something. And Marko turned to Emppu exactly because of the joke. Emppu looks at him a bit shy, he realizes he went too far. And so he later continues 'Did I say it aloud?' He's the punster, I've never seen Jukka be the first joker - he might continue others' jokes, or tell a story, like that incident in the Japanese toilet.
@MerelMystery In case your question was meant to be ironic, I agree with you, in case you really don´t know: 02:36. Imo you don´t say such things about a woman if you feel the slightest respect for her. So if they get lack of arguments they become disgusting, poor... I also find it totally childish and ridiculous how Jukka behaves during the TV-interview, standing with back to Tarja, yes we got it: You don´t want to play with her, little pissed off boy! Seems like Emppu the only cool one of them
Jukka didn't tell that joke - it was Emppu. When the joke is Still going on, the cam already shows Jukka - his lips are shut. He speaks only a bit later to Marcelo something in English, for Marcelo asked something. And you see Marko turn to Emppu, and Emppu looks a bit sheepish, kinda getting it went too far. He then adds 'Did I say it aloud?'
Disgusting the way these guys treated Tarja, those disrespectful sexist jokes, and they still call her a diva, and that hateful face of Tuomas... Bands like Epica, Arch Enemy and many others don't treat their female bandmates the way Tarja was treated for those jerks
@ValEomen Agree! EGOs and stupid personal differences always lead to crap like this in bands though. Take Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Gillan from Deep Purple! They hated each other something which lead to Blackmore leaving the band..... But, he formed Rainbow which is one of the best bands Evar!
@77elvistheking Indeed, but lets not forget Steve Morse! DP couldn't find a better replacement! I believe that bands should just split when things like that come up, so that friendships wouldn't be ruined. That's what Evergrey did and there are two great bands now from the original members, one still being Evergrey ofc and all of them are still friends.
@ValEomen Anyway, I'm happy that she left Nightwish because she made a wonderfull solo career and she comes to Greece every 2 years, taking photos with the fans and signing everything they give her. I'll love a Nightwish reunion, I can't hide this ;) But just to mention, I don't like the new Nightwish but if someone likes them it's fine. I never ever bitch about Anette and everyone is OK :)
@ValEomen And actually, most times I don't care about things like these in bands, but it was strange with Nightwish. They had a perfect singer, they seem to get along well in this documentary and then they fire her that way because for her reasons she couldn't stay with Nightwish anymore? That's just lame. With that letter it seems they were jealous of her for some reason and they wanted to hurt her career by saying that she doesn't care about the fans {a damn LIE}.
@ValEomen Yes I agree but I don't understand why they had to do something like this to their friend. It was Tarja that helped them be what they are now, that's a fact, her voice made the huge difference. Even if she said that she wanted to leave, let her stay till the next album as she probably wanted to leave after the 10th anniversary and then let her go. What was the purpose to give her a letter and then go public saying many lies too?
4:33 Tuomas looking at a microphone: "this was halfway up his ass." Huh, what? Tarja might wanna check what her mic has been used for. The boys are known for their... erm.... drunken activities.
Jukka didn't tell that joke - it was Emppu. Jukka actually translates something to Marcelo a bit later. But he¨s basically not a speaker but doer - he usually speaks only when talked to.
@Enidan1111 I really didnt know, I guess I missed it. I understand that they made that kind of jokes, I mean everyone can be mean sometimes and at that time they really didnt like Tarja. But they shouldnt have put it on the dvd.
@PingouinBleu1 She changed when she married Marcelo. This joke was funny, because this time was hard for band and little joke was right in time, you can clearly see that band is separate 2 different part(Marcelo& Tarja and Rest member of the band.) If you want to know more about band and relationship with Tarja read Nightwish biography book.
Everybody can easily notice how Tuomas is *pissed off* and worn about Tarja's and Marcelo's attitude towards the rest of the band. He rarely shows his feelings, being a very shy and controlled person. But in this video he clearly shows hints of his rage, sometimes.
His eyes say it all.
What attitude? It looks like there's already tension and we don't know who's fault it is. If she sticking close to her husband, why are we to assume that that's a bad thing? Maybe Tuomas was jealous?
Whenever people call out Marco's name, he should always reply with: "Polo!"
I feel bad about Marcelo when I see the joke part. He's just standing there alone, fiddling with Tarja's bag, while others are making fun of them right there in front of him, in a language he can't understand. I don't know why they thought this was DVD material.
+Marijana are you serious ?
Because they are assholes. That is all, that was fucking disgusting, shows how much respect they had for her. Pricks.
Marcelo was an ass
@@johncheek2415 But not the only ass :)
It is called a locker-room type of talk. And women do that too, even harsher. And yes, most humans say those kind of dirty jokes at least few times in their life. And whoever says otherwise is either living in the middle of the woods surrounded by perfect angels, or more likely, are lying through their teeth.
This video clearly shows the strain between Tarja and the band members already esp. Tuomas. Very sad.
"Up down up down up down up down " ,"Brazilian elevators" As a Brazilian I can tell you that , that statement is completely true lol
Jukka is a HIM fan! :D That's awesome! I'm wearing my HIM shirt right now, it makes me glad I chose to watch this video today.
5:07 Rest of the band *poker face*
5:07 oh poor, that's what you thought.
i am gonna do my solo career but that doesn't mean i am gonna end singing with nightwish, poor tarja, she didn't have a clue :C
I wanna live this moment forever..
2:31-2:41 These words were very hurtful imho. It wasn' worthy for NW. Sorry.
Totally agree. In this situation, I feel sorry for Marcello. Extremely rude.
I totally agree. I guess that it was a joke from their side but that was just awful. Seems like they didn't respect her at all. No wonder she was always with her husband that he could like protect her. I think she felt safe with him
@antonsdefrancua When did she change? Before or after firing?
Oh my goddess, how can you find this joke funny...that sucks, it was bad and stupid, and as whutnot900 said, disrespectful, very disrespectful.
I really wonder what did Tarja think about it when she saw that (IF she saw that).
@77elvistheking Forgot to mention that since she had decided to leave as well, even after one more album, the irony in her words works both ways...
thanks
@MelWolff yes man
so i think men of the band were bad with tarja also , they don't understand a girl has not the same problem in concert with them but marcelo was the really bad in this story not tarja !!
sorry for my english lol
Marcelo gots Tarja's bag
There's very little interaction between Tarja and the guys and I find it odd how Marcello seems to put Tarja in the corner and block all interaction from the other members.
@whutnot900 Okay, I just looked up the definition of "foreskin" and now I know why that was so offensive. I can't believe they would say something like that, especially in front of her husband! As much as I love the guys, that seriously pisses me off.
Yeah, it's disappointing. Atleast now that they are a bit older I hope they have learnt from their mistakes. And hey, Marco and Tarja have already made up which is a good sign, also Tarja has said that she has stayed in touch with Tuomas.
Everyone who says that Marcelo was the villain here, please, google about sexual assault on Tarja in Mexico. I hadn't known about that when watched this document and I also noticed that was same wall between Tarja&Marcelo and the band and that Marcelo was pulling Tarja away from the NW. I also had thought that Marcelo was evil one. But now I can see what could be the reason behind all of what happened in the band.
The true villain is Ewo, the band manager. Because of his stupidity and incompetence to properly organize things, he constantly fueled the differences within the band. And Tuomas and the boys were filled with prejudiced info coming from Ewo, being convinced that Tarja was undermining everything. Then they didn't want to talk to her, so this kept worsening the relation. They treated her with disrespect and neglect, she made a lot of sacrifices to save their asses in the meantime. And finally they wrote that awful letter with just enough inaccuracies and twisted facts to make the fans believe she was the actual villain. I finally completed the puzzle after years of reading and exploring.
@@astralromance yes I'm sure you know what's accurate and factual more than the band themselves...
@@nocturnal03 Well, if you know more, do go ahead and say it. Instead of being gullible and blindly believing what they wanted people to believe, you might want to consider the idea that it could be against their interest to objectively state the facts. With some more research and a second read of their own book, one starts realizing that something just doesn't add up. And what I wrote about Ewo is something that even Emppu touched upon in the book, they let that much go through to make it seem objective.
@@astralromance Maybe I'm "gullible", maybe you're militantly wrong about things you did not even experience 🤷
@@nocturnal03 And you're militantly sure of being right in thing you didn't experience. That's called irony.
02:35 Wow, that was awful.
That was hilarious
@@marlbor05 That was rude.
@666JSchaffer666 Hello, first thx for posting.
But I have one question, how can I activate the english subtitles? I bought the dvd yesterday, and I don't find them lol.. Could you help me please?
Thanks :)
I didn't think metal bands should be branded with sexist stereotypes. But Nightwish definitely is.
And treasonous. I don't get how you can treat your childhood friend the way they did; let her get sexually assaulted onstage, abandon her in her hotel room, then wonder why she prefers hanging out with Marcelo than them, saying shit like "Sing, bitch, sing!", and "Strip of foreskin?". Like, wtf?!
@@kimberlyh.1090 Yes exactly. I mean she probably was no saint but anyway these things you don't even do to the devil either.
7:42 ...and justice for all by metallica lmao love it
@77elvistheking I am sorry to break it to you, but days earlier before that interview she told Tuomas that she would be doing only one more album album and leave (all written in the public letter). Besides, that wasn't my point for the ironic part. The point was that she was saying this while the rest had already decided to kick her out.
@Triskellatlante Yeah!! that was exactly what i was thinking!!!
what the hell is doing there???? and what was tarja doing take him everywhere?
@antonsdefrancua No, I have the part 6, but.... That's my problem, I DON'T fIND THE SUBTITLES!! Lol, don you know how to activate them?
@MerelMystery Of course everyone can be mean sometimes, they also talk like this among each other and laugh about it. That´s just kind of a "I´m the coolest, hardest one around here" - guys thing. But this time I consider it to be different, it has kinda deeper meaning and knowing they would kick her out in a few days, it has an even more bitter taste, at least to me. Couldn´t they just have left her at least, like they excluded her half of the time, anyway?!
@antonsdefrancua I read it already, thx. But I disagree, in addition they said it even if Marcelo was there, just near them. It's more disrespectful. More and more. It's definitely not a funny joke, it's a disgusting joke.. Do you think she changed because of that letter? Were you there to notice it? That's just a question. Of course, a joke was good at this time, to relax, but not this one. But that's your opinion (oh Goddess how many times did I say it? lol), and this is mine.
metallica and pantera yeah
Maybe she feels safe with him?
He saved her from being sexually assaulted onstage in Guadalajara, Mexico (2000) so I think so too.
@ValEomen Tarja is anything but the things they said in the letter. If you want to believe what you told me, fine! Your opinion!
what's the music being played at the end?
wow you can feel that Tuomas can't stand Marcelo hahahaha
@77elvistheking Doesn't have to do with my opinion, only facts... If you are asking my opinion, I don't think Tarja is a bad person neither the rest of NW. I actually like both. I know for some it sounds hard to believe, but I am actually one of the few people mature enough to suppport music and not care about why some musicians just didn't get along. It's just another part of life. Long story short, both are great, they just didn't get along on the way, end of story. ;)
@PingouinBleu1 I don't know . Maybe write on youtube how to activate subtitles and there will be something.(or use grandmother google) :)
I agree with you, except that it was Emppu who said that at 2:36, not Jukka...
8:33 what's the name of the song???????
@PingouinBleu1 Are you male or female?
@77elvistheking I don't really know what is a lie or not concerning their personal choices but as for letting her go before the album, if they didn't feel like doing it, they did the right thing. Nobody should force anyone in anything. I like both old and new NW and I like Tarja's solo career as well, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as both deliever good music for us to hear! :)
@whutnot900 I wasn't trying to give you the impression that I didn't find it offensive. I just don't know what the insult means. I wasn't trying to come across as rude or argumenative.
what song ?? 8:25
You can see here why NW couldn't cooperate more with Tarja and vice versa.
who is the guy with tarja hes with her all the time
@MostlyghOstly661
No, it was Jukka. Emppu's voice is a bit squeakier, plus if you look at him you can see Jukka say it.
No Emppu said it. Wen his phrase was sill in the air, the camera showed Jukka's face -
unmoving. He didn't even laugh. Then he politely explained something to Marcelo who seems to ask something. And Marko turned to Emppu exactly because of the joke. Emppu looks at him a bit shy, he realizes he went too far. And so he later continues 'Did I say it aloud?' He's the punster, I've never seen Jukka be the first joker - he might continue others' jokes, or tell a story, like that incident in the Japanese toilet.
@MerelMystery In case your question was meant to be ironic, I agree with you, in case you really don´t know: 02:36. Imo you don´t say such things about a woman if you feel the slightest respect for her. So if they get lack of arguments they become disgusting, poor...
I also find it totally childish and ridiculous how Jukka behaves during the TV-interview, standing with back to Tarja, yes we got it: You don´t want to play with her, little pissed off boy!
Seems like Emppu the only cool one of them
Jukka didn't tell that joke - it was Emppu. When the joke is Still going on, the cam already shows Jukka - his lips are shut. He speaks only a bit later to Marcelo something in English, for Marcelo asked something. And you see Marko turn to Emppu, and Emppu looks a bit sheepish, kinda getting it went too far. He then adds 'Did I say it aloud?'
lol i meant Emppu
Disgusting the way these guys treated Tarja, those disrespectful sexist jokes, and they still call her a diva, and that hateful face of Tuomas... Bands like Epica, Arch Enemy and many others don't treat their female bandmates the way Tarja was treated for those jerks
@whutnot900 I thought Tarja's husband was Finnish as well.
@PingouinBleu1 Yes I'm male. Sorry I don't have. I can't find part 6 :(.
@ValEomen Agree! EGOs and stupid personal differences always lead to crap like this in bands though. Take Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Gillan from Deep Purple! They hated each other something which lead to Blackmore leaving the band..... But, he formed Rainbow which is one of the best bands Evar!
5:07 Anyone sees the irony?
01:25 OMG hahahahah poor girl at the hotel
Is that tarjas husband in the green at 1:40?
7:21 jukka wearing a HIM shirt.. nice
@MegaLiopIeurodon Why the hell do you answer me!? -_o?
@77elvistheking Indeed, but lets not forget Steve Morse! DP couldn't find a better replacement! I believe that bands should just split when things like that come up, so that friendships wouldn't be ruined. That's what Evergrey did and there are two great bands now from the original members, one still being Evergrey ofc and all of them are still friends.
@ValEomen Anyway, I'm happy that she left Nightwish because she made a wonderfull solo career and she comes to Greece every 2 years, taking photos with the fans and signing everything they give her. I'll love a Nightwish reunion, I can't hide this ;)
But just to mention, I don't like the new Nightwish but if someone likes them it's fine. I never ever bitch about Anette and everyone is OK :)
@whutnot900 What did the insult mean at 2:34? How was that very offensive?
around 4:45, poor Jukka, nowhere to go xD
@ValEomen And actually, most times I don't care about things like these in bands, but it was strange with Nightwish. They had a perfect singer, they seem to get along well in this documentary and then they fire her that way because for her reasons she couldn't stay with Nightwish anymore? That's just lame. With that letter it seems they were jealous of her for some reason and they wanted to hurt her career by saying that she doesn't care about the fans {a damn LIE}.
Nightwish listening to Avril Lavigne @ 01:45
7;36 onwards - Blackened (Metallica) & Mouth for War (Pantera). My respect for these guys grows on and on.
She could have the Wolf and she chose the clown 🤣
7:29 #VergonhaAlheia (Shame for us, from Brazil, haha)
8:32 V for Vendetta!
@Triskellatlante haha...don't worry...
But i'm a woman lol..
Ahmm...english is not my first language either so i have problems with it too..haha :)
@antonsdefrancua I diiiiid, but huuuuh :( I don't find. But thx, no matter :)
Now that's not very nice. I've met some very nice donkeys.
@MegaLiopIeurodon O.O *shit I can't make bigger O*..
They're not even old enough to buy lollipops ahahahahahha
M. 12 years later these Kids still Go to their concerts
4.30 lol
@ValEomen Yes I agree but I don't understand why they had to do something like this to their friend. It was Tarja that helped them be what they are now, that's a fact, her voice made the huge difference. Even if she said that she wanted to leave, let her stay till the next album as she probably wanted to leave after the 10th anniversary and then let her go. What was the purpose to give her a letter and then go public saying many lies too?
QUE MIERDA HACE MARCELO AHIII!!! QUE ALGUIEN LO BOTE!!!!! ...malditoo!! x su culpa sacaron a Tarja de nightwish !!! T_T
omg, I can't believe Marco said that LOL
Probably what he did, because of that, unfortunately.
4:33 Tuomas looking at a microphone: "this was halfway up his ass."
Huh, what? Tarja might wanna check what her mic has been used for. The boys are known for their... erm.... drunken activities.
she or he?? XD
@antonsdefrancua Lol. And I guess you're male? lol
Oh, since you're here, do you have this dvd?
@whutnot900 2:37 yeah, Jukka definitely bad attitude against Tarja or any woman...
Jukka didn't tell that joke - it was Emppu. Jukka actually translates something to Marcelo a bit later. But he¨s basically not a speaker but doer - he usually speaks only when talked to.
Jukka is standing in the back left with face that makes it look like that he didn't appreciate the joke.
Is the frizzy haired guy Tarja's husband?
@Enidan1111 I really didnt know, I guess I missed it. I understand that they made that kind of jokes, I mean everyone can be mean sometimes and at that time they really didnt like Tarja. But they shouldnt have put it on the dvd.
Marceol is the male version of Yoko Ono.
what joke are you all talking about?
@PingouinBleu1 She changed when she married Marcelo. This joke was funny, because this time was hard for band and little joke was right in time, you can clearly see that band is separate 2 different part(Marcelo& Tarja and Rest member of the band.) If you want to know more about band and relationship with Tarja read Nightwish biography book.
Cmon Marcelo, let her work, to much possessive man
her husband seems alittle up tight
@PingouinBleu1 Yes it was my thought. :) Sometimes I like stupid jokes, it was one of them.
@666JSchaffer666 Totally agree with you, Tarja changed and that joke was fucking funny :)
Keep rocking.
be happy if she did not meet him
@antonsdefrancua Ahhahahaha Female :D, and Yes, You guessed, that's why I find this joke disgusting haha ;)
He's worse than Yoko Ono! Someone should have told him the fans don't pay to see him!
is that tarja's personal assistance, which follows her every step she take xd..
ahahah
Tarja: i've got something in my teeth
...
Marco: A strip of foreskin?
hahah xD
@whutnot900
even her husband laughed at that joke
that fucker is what ruined Tarja anyway :P