The Premium Tank Wargaming MIGHT Nerf?

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  • @lncoming
    @lncoming  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    I wonder how many people will click this video thinking it's the Caliban...

    • @thearmouroflight6954
      @thearmouroflight6954 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I bought the Caliban thinking it was this tank...

    • @2pumpedupforu
      @2pumpedupforu 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I bought the caliban assuming the Gonzalo was the exact same thing. Wasn’t even aware there was a difference since there is the forest spirit and miel in the game

    • @ZoMTDU
      @ZoMTDU 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They wouldn't fucking dare. Need we remind them the whole Type 59 fiasco

    • @pal1531
      @pal1531 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I did until you said *this is the gonsalo* lmao

    • @On1_Ryu
      @On1_Ryu 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I did. xD

  • @mosayyeed
    @mosayyeed 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    Oh, the Taliban brother

    • @hansvonmannschaft9062
      @hansvonmannschaft9062 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not only we got the irony of both tanks feasting with HIgh Explosive ordnance, but also, there's the word going that some ill-willed people whisper in the corners, that that's exactly how it got into the UK, just a _"spelling mistake",_ and off it went with its... _"asylum"_ visa... No British officials noticed anything, which came as a surprise to no one.
      Ba-dam-tss...
      ...Aight I'll see myself out... dum di dum.

  • @lockkeylive
    @lockkeylive 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Option 3: They change the on paper stats to match how it performs...

  • @domm6812
    @domm6812 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I was getting smashed by a Gonzalo in my 50TP prototype from the front and I couldn't figure out why. Now I know what's going on. This is bullsh*t. Wargaming are outright incompetent sometimes.

    • @ZoMTDU
      @ZoMTDU 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They wouldn't dare lol

  • @tudormese
    @tudormese 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The Bourrasque already had a nerf by fixing the scaling of dispersion bonus on your damaged gun. I'm just saying this wouldn't be the first time they'd shadow nerf hidden stats of a tank.

  • @EugenioDublan
    @EugenioDublan 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The last time wot actually nerfed a premium tank they got lasuits which force them to agree that was a bad idea. That the reason they are afraid to do anything about premium tanks

    • @qvad8078
      @qvad8078 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      dont they have a clause in User agreement that states that they can nerf premium tanks?

    • @thunder7135
      @thunder7135 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The Super Pershing incident, I member.

    • @EugenioDublan
      @EugenioDublan 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @qvad8078 they do but that won't stop lawyers from calling a scam. Plus imagine getting sued by different lawyers from different countries with different regulations.

    • @unnecessaryammorack
      @unnecessaryammorack 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I don't get it. War Thunder can get away with it. They massacred my poor T20. Wargaming should be able to as well

    • @thunder7135
      @thunder7135 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      However, IMHO, they COULD fix BUGS and UNINTENDED behavior of an item in game, even if people have paid for it. They literally IMMEDIATELY hotfixed the Char Mle 75 2 years ago. Remember that nice "feature" where people could switch driving modes with X while mid-firing the gun, and only shooting 1 shell instead of 3? (even though the gun effect kept firing 3 times, only 1 shell would get out). They fixed that and no one complained. People apparently understood that it was clearly a bug, not a feature. The same could be done with Contradictious (the reload exploit), and with the Gonsalo, since they are CLEARLY bugs.

  • @doublehelix7880
    @doublehelix7880 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    They will not nerf it. As it is being sold for money, it have to match the parameters during the sale. Otherwise lawsuits may follow unless they offer a full price buyback.

  • @echo_9835
    @echo_9835 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I didnt even realize that the gonzalo and caliban were different tanks.

  • @crumbyk7798
    @crumbyk7798 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Babe wake up. A new Incoming video dropped

  • @StevenFireWalker
    @StevenFireWalker 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Nobody can tell me the gonsolo isn’t meta for skirmish in low ELO clans

  • @leemcmahon2548
    @leemcmahon2548 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    i was ridiculed by other players when i got the gonzalo, i just smiled to myself because i had looked at the stats and compared them to the tank that everyone thought it was going to be like, i was told i had bought a donkey :) leave the donkey alone i like it :)

  • @MakkerHeineken
    @MakkerHeineken 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Yapping, no nerfs needed

  • @MarkCupLee
    @MarkCupLee 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm still salty about the HE rework, which was a giant nerf to my favorite tank: KV-2 and its premium counterpart KV-2 (R) (which I didn't buy fortunately) and none seems to care about it.

  • @adcaptandumvulgus4252
    @adcaptandumvulgus4252 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    If they do it's probably to test the waters to see how people react by them touching premium tanks because if there's not a ridiculous reaction to it that's going to be the beginning of making the game even worse as they make premium tanks super duper Opie more than they even are now but then they'll Nerf it later on after the majority of the people that will buy it do by it is my hot take on it

  • @petrameyer1121
    @petrameyer1121 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is an EU law that covers the purchase of electronic goods. If the item changes after the purchase the buyer can demand a refund! Change as in nerfing a premium tank. A user agreement that nullifies a law is not valid in itself. That is the reason, why no premium tanks are nerfed. When the Super Pershing war nerfed they offered a refund to all buyers, as they had to.

  • @larry-three8225
    @larry-three8225 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The Caliban is stated to be armed with a HEP shell, which is weird as I thought HEP was only for US tanks, whereas HESH was only for British tanks. This makes me wonder if the stats are wrong for both tanks.

    • @shadowwolf8595
      @shadowwolf8595 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is literally the same thing just with a different name

    • @larry-three8225
      @larry-three8225 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @shadowwolf8595 The name still threw me off.😅

    • @lightning794
      @lightning794 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      black dog has hep aswell

  • @Tommy_The_Gun
    @Tommy_The_Gun 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I think that the way to balance broken tanks is via preferential mm. Add more more modules to premium tanks, so that players can choose better ones or worse ones. Depending on your config, you will have +0, +1, +2 mm. Same for tech tree tanks. Done. Best of both worlds - tanks with better mm, but worse stats, or tanks with better stats, but worse mm.

  • @SHOCKWAVE1.0
    @SHOCKWAVE1.0 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    one thing that NEEDS nerfed is the bourrasque's cammo rating. AND the T30 needs a buff on the lower armor. Just slightly.

  • @Sousleek
    @Sousleek 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It will be not a nerf but a bugfix that was auromatically exploited by users. As bugs with Contradictous.

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Contradictious is a mechanical issue. Gonsalo is raw numbers being incorrect, and not in a loophole sense that can be patched. It is only fixed by directly lowering damage and caliber numbers.

    • @Sousleek
      @Sousleek 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @lncoming But its a clear bug, so it should be bugfixed. Everything in this game introduced in a form of raw numbers its just the way software works. Also aside interests of Gonsalo owners there is interests of other premium tanks byers who clearly suffer from this bug. So nerf is a certain value lowering that was initially intentionally set. Its a control function. Bugfix is a lowering of a value that was set incorrectly. I think theres a difference.

  • @Tommy_The_Gun
    @Tommy_The_Gun 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Here is how most MMO games do this: "Fixed an issue where some vehicles had incorrect values inside the game files". It is a bug fix, not a nerf. It is the same as with Contradictious "exploit"-s. WG will most likely fix those, since this is obvious. So, by fixing , they will nerf unintended DPM & accurcy.
    I find this whole thing absolutely baffling that WG is afraid to nerf premium tanks. They own them. We don't. We only buy access to those tanks. I would not be surprised if that one court case that WG "supposedly" lost - was lost on purpose so that people would know that Prem tanks are nerf-proof. WG is afraid that people will stop buying premium tanks if they start finally balancing them. What WG does not understand is that while some people might stop buying them - other players who want to support non-p2w games might return & start buying them.

    • @ImJustAKwimpOfficial
      @ImJustAKwimpOfficial 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You say this but for the most part people would riot in the streets when/if a premium tank gets nerfed. People have been more than vocal about not supporting the game if their favourite premium were to get nerfed.
      It's a really stupid situation where players are constantly shitting on wargaming for releasing overpowered premium tanks, but then also don't want their favourites to be nerfed. It's a system wargaming themselves built up and the player base is constantly torn apart because of it.

    • @GregorianMG
      @GregorianMG 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ImJustAKwimpOfficial A practically lose-lose situation.

  • @hansvonmannschaft9062
    @hansvonmannschaft9062 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This is one out of the three or at most four channels I got with the bell turned on. Man did I pull the right switch with this one 😀 - Thanks so much for letting us know what the _leet_ players knew, but since we're not as _leet_ as they are, they left us out of their _leet_ knowledge.
    ...By the way, have you heard about the rather _strange_ tidbit going on with the _Contradictious?_ Because boy-o-boy everything you said here would be beyond irony and even sarcasm as well, as you'd just have to copy/paste the script by simply changing the vehicle's name... ahhh dude hahaha! And it's another Brit tank, too, but that's just a coincidence. Cheers!

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hansvonmannschaft9062 Someone else mentioned the contradictious, so I'll copy paste what I said there.
      [Patching the bugs] is a mechanical fix, which they did to the char mle years ago. I don't think the accuracy bug will be changed, since it's very niche, but I think the reload change will simply be changing how intuition reacts to it.
      All they would have to do is disable intuition working when you have only one shell loaded. This would be a change to intuition, not the tank, and would be strongly marketed as such.

    • @hansvonmannschaft9062
      @hansvonmannschaft9062 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lncoming Argh! That makes sense! Nonono please edit and put something like: "Oh yeah that... that **cough** that'd be terrible indeed!"... hahah!

  • @evildarkeevildark5943
    @evildarkeevildark5943 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    To even see 1 tank in 10-15 battle are just.. soo rare idk i dont see a reason they would tauch it

  • @briansullivan9691
    @briansullivan9691 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wargaming will nerf premium tanks. Depends on what kind of nerfs you are referring to. Some premiums that get preferential matchmaking have gotten nerfs. They will almost always get bottom tier or same tier. They hardly ever get top tier (PZ2J, BTSV). If they platoon with a tech tree tank or another premium tank of the same tier, their preferential matchmaking goes out the window (Type 59, KV-5).

  • @helohel5915
    @helohel5915 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Except for some reason the hidden HE "calibre" is 139.7mm ;)
    Maybe in the Gonsalo's rushed development, they briefly considered Conway damage

  • @aQuestionator
    @aQuestionator 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its a simple task really, just nerf this weird thing with the gun, and give the tank compensation buffs, like better gun handling or something

  • @TheMadricks
    @TheMadricks 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Well if they nerf a Gonzalo, wich has no armor, then they have to nerf this toxic BZ176 and also this shit of XM57.

  • @MonderMatrix
    @MonderMatrix 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    HE premium pen and HE are both 180 mm ?! or those are true?

  • @zxy7529
    @zxy7529 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The E-25 was sold multiple times in recent days

  • @waffentrageraufE-100
    @waffentrageraufE-100 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    what the hell, I clearly remember being subscribed, did youtube just unsubscribe me for no reason

  • @NamTran-cc1ml
    @NamTran-cc1ml 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How do u find these files? I want to binge reading them whenever i take a break from work

    • @ottrakkaselg8033
      @ottrakkaselg8033 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      find a file: vehicles_level_08-part1.pkg. gonsalo and caliban should be in there. and go from there, but know what you are doing;)

  • @Paweu240
    @Paweu240 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    nerfing premiums = that thing is forgoten black magic by wg
    and there is * about tier 10 (asemble shop ones)
    they sold them on CHINA

  • @Wojtekpl2
    @Wojtekpl2 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    No wonder I like Gonsalo. :)
    Thankfully this tank is not that much popular so it stays below WG radar. They should leave it as it is. There are other OP premium tanks to nerf...

  • @iunstoppabiewotblitz1719
    @iunstoppabiewotblitz1719 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gonsalo has same modules dmg as caliban. And wg still can’t nerf Gonsalo. You can might to ammo every tanks

  • @hansvonmannschaft9062
    @hansvonmannschaft9062 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey just noticed something, as I was about to jump into a battle, Gonsalo has an AP shell, whereas the Caliban doesn't, do the stats say anything about how does that AP shell *_really_* perform? I suppose that maybe, just that one does happen to be new data, but really curious now. Thanks in advance! 😀

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Caliban has AP shells. Gonsalo's AP rounds work as normal

    • @hansvonmannschaft9062
      @hansvonmannschaft9062 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lncoming Ahh doh, my bad. Should've made sure before posting, quite embarrassed now.
      That aside, thanks much for the input on Gonsalo's AP rounds!

  • @nimay13
    @nimay13 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wishful thinking. Remember Type-59? They never nerfed it, they just made other premium more OP.
    And the BZ have no business in tier 6 matches.

  • @blackout8845
    @blackout8845 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank god I did not spend any money on this hellhole of a game this winter...

  • @herbertodiliobalsamo9096
    @herbertodiliobalsamo9096 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You gotta lock into Contradictus reload and accuracy bug

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That is a mechanical fix, which they did to the char mle years ago. I don't think the accuracy bug will be changed, since it's very niche, but I think the reload change will simply be changing how intuition reacts to it.
      All they would have to do is disable intuition working when you have only one shell loaded. This would be a change to intuition, not the tank, and would be strongly marketed as such.

  • @-__-_--_---_-
    @-__-_--_---_- 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would you consider fix of char mles clip glitch as nerf? In that case char was nerfed and brit'ish heavies will be too

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@-__-_--_---_- that's a very thick grey area. Ultimately I don't think it was a nerf, because it was so extremely niche, and also didn't really benefit the player that much.
      The contradictious exploits will be fixed by changing how intuition works with the tanks, and not how the tank works. Thus, not a nerf to the contra...

  • @lexydrow
    @lexydrow 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So theoretically, fixing the Contradictious' numerous exploits would be a direct nerf, but on the other hand the reload exploit is insanely impactful. Surely they wouldn't leave a VERY BROKEN Contra unfixed just because it's a premium, right? RIGHT???

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @lexydrow (Copy pasted from another reply to the same question)
      That is a mechanical fix, which they did to the char mle years ago. I don't think the accuracy bug will be changed, since it's very niche, but I think the reload change will simply be changing how intuition reacts to it.
      All they would have to do is disable intuition working when you have only one shell loaded. This would be a change to intuition, not the tank, and would be strongly marketed as such.

  • @mosayyeed
    @mosayyeed 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    9:17 Wait wait, I don't have the Progetto 46 but do you mean it can still mount gun rammer??

    • @metroidarco3373
      @metroidarco3373 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      no they buffed the damage per minute like it has one

    • @mosayyeed
      @mosayyeed 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@metroidarco3373 So they can't even let it get indirectly nerf. Damn it weegee

    • @metroidarco3373
      @metroidarco3373 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mosayyeed yes bro

    • @oyote5287
      @oyote5287 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mosayyeed i spent money dude of course they dont nerf it :D

    • @kv4763
      @kv4763 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mosayyeed yes, so they practically buffed it by giving it another equipment slot. genius stuff

  • @chems
    @chems 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    wg's laziness is off the charts lol

  • @mynameisray
    @mynameisray 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's not that WG won't nerf paid for premiums, it's that in a lot of places they CAN'T do it. They would see massive lawsuits for doing so. It would be like going to a car dealer, buying a car, and then a few months later they ask you to bring that car in and tune it so it has 100 less horse power. It's generally known as bait and switch among other things. If you've paid real money for it it has to be as advertised, even if it's in a video game. It sucks in some respects, but it keeps WG from selling you a tank, and after a while they want to release something new so they nerf that tank. It's sort of a checks and balance sort of deal. What has to happen is WG do a LOT more testing of premium tanks they want to release so we don't have a repeat of the BZ-176 fiasco. They need to have more than a hand full of people test out a tank for release, more than a few youtubers getting their hands on it. Though I guarantee once they sell something on par or better than the 176 you'll see that bastard up for sale again.

    • @bobdickens3674
      @bobdickens3674 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i mean they did it in blitz. They literally just changed a bunch of prems to "collector's tanks" which were nerfable and every tank they wanted to nerf they changed them to collectors

    • @Ion_Cannon42
      @Ion_Cannon42 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bobdickens3674 Yeah, I'm happy with them changing tanks for the most part provided nothing gets dunked on. With tanks changing from "premium" to "collector", they can be sold for reasonable amounts of gold so if/when the tanks do get changed we can be somewhat compensated. I say somewhat because every new tank is in crates so is not even close to half what people pay for it most of the time.
      I used to be a whale for blitz until they nerfed the tier 10 amx and took away its tungsten (give it 480 alpha again or better gun stats pls wg)

  • @VioletGiraffe
    @VioletGiraffe 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can someone explain how this makes the tank better? How do I utilize these bugs when playing the Gonsalo? The only important thing I noticed is that premium HE pen is actually *less* than advertised?

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@VioletGiraffe This video goes more in-depth. The explanation in the video was incredibly shortened to save time. th-cam.com/video/7HaM0096uTQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b9ZyuLYpwcgfjIHA
      The short version (in text) is that HE damage is cut in half on nonpens, and then armor mitigates some damage. The Gonsalo does 160 more damage than it should be.
      The game uses the base pen of a shell, and caliber of a shell, to measure damage mitigation. Both of those values are higher than they should be on the Gonsalo. The shells are 150mm instead of 120, and the "base pen" of the shells is 180, instead of 60 or 209.
      This means a BZ roof mitigates 0 damage from a Gonsalo, since the caliber of the shell exceeds 3x armor thickness, and the penetration exceeds 2x thickness. This, in every listed stat, is wrong. However, since they copied files over from the Caliban, these values are incorrect when calculations are done.
      The video goes more in depth, but this is the gist of it.

  • @ItsConstitutional
    @ItsConstitutional 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hmm, me trying to figure out WG and its RNG? Idbe brain dead with no chance of resurrection.

  • @zhongyiqian5176
    @zhongyiqian5176 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What about the contradicious tho?

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Contradictious' problem is solved by changing how intuition works, not how the tank works.

  • @mkzhero
    @mkzhero 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would be interesting as an either April fool's day event or a weird free premium to have HE ammo that does wat more damage if it doesn't penetrate than if it does lol

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mkzhero That's kind of what the snowball mode is, not exactly though.

    • @mkzhero
      @mkzhero 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @lncoming not really, just the HE penetration values are higher. But yeah, it was a fun mode

  • @karelpompi5029
    @karelpompi5029 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    when they messed up HE they also nerfed KV-2 R, ISU 152K and other HE reliant premiums so why not fix this.

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ISU-152K is not reliant on HE. KV-2 also works good still, just can't shoot outside trackwheels for 300 anymore.

  • @lordtark6736
    @lordtark6736 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh, I'm definitely suing if they Nerf my Caliban and my Gonsalo. Literally, nobody plays them. I'm one of the few people who plays them. WG will do that crap but won't touch the freaking BZ176 ? Yeah what a joke

  • @mrfigs7804
    @mrfigs7804 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Why the unique character in your name. l

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mrfigs7804 the name is spelled LNCOMING all lowercase on basically every platform. It started as a running joke, but I never get the original name on any platform. Everyone goes for the normal spelling, but nobody does the same-but-different spelling.
      I've just started to say the L stands for late, since that's how the spelling came to be.

    • @mrfigs7804
      @mrfigs7804 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@lncoming ah gotcha, I went to look you up on Tomato, only reason I even noticed.

    • @lncoming
      @lncoming  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mrfigs7804 it's my name on NA, EU, and now RU, as well as discord, steam, twitch, etc etc

  • @gachibass3639
    @gachibass3639 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    How about BZ-176,Skoda T56 and the new XM57?

  • @LuvLikeTruck
    @LuvLikeTruck 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think the Gonzalo is your white whale.

  • @agbrenv
    @agbrenv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    wishful thinking my man, don't get your hopes up for some obvious disappointment

  • @AzureOtsu
    @AzureOtsu 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    if they nerf my gonsalo I'm gonna demand a refund

  • @danielhammond2226
    @danielhammond2226 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have the solution just buff the Caliban tank! I don't have the other tank lol

  • @slowbro8912
    @slowbro8912 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    hot accent