The only thing i don't agree with is Phoenix believing Kristoph. The ending in my opinion would be like this: After Kristoph's testimony, the judge is moved and klavier is shook, but phoenix doesn't buy it. He argues that both gavin brothers are suspicious, and thus he is innocent. Kristoph immediately objects pointing out that Trucy defnitely did give Phoenix the forged evidence, Phoenix doesn't lie and says that Zak Grammayre immediately noticed it was a fake and Phoenix gave the page to him. Kristoph would object here saying that Zak could have been the one that forged the evidence, regretted it, gave to Klavier, that gave to him, that gave to Trucy to give to Phoenix. The judge is already lost at this point. Klavier is in the brink of collapse, but Phoenix doesn't bite down and calls Zak to the stand. Then 2 endings may occur: Zak lies and says he met with Klavier to get a quick guilty veredict. Klavier is disgraced and disbarred. Phoenix is still skeptical and continues digging. Some time afterwards, Kristoph offs Phoenix Wright and blames it on Klavier, he even puts Apollo Justice, a rookie, to defend his brother,. It is now up to Apollo to defend Klavier without any assistance, maybe the tale is not over yet if Apollo defeats the odds... Zak tells the truth and says he never met with Klavier before. (This one is a head scratcher, get ready) Kristoph calls bullshit but Phoenix argues that even if Zak forged the evidence, Zak doesn't have a motive to lie and try to cover for Klavier, because not covering for him would increase his chances of getting a not guilty. Because of that Phoenix proves that in all possible ways that this went down, Kristoph Gavin engages in fowl play. However, Kristoph does the Phoenix special of thinking outside the box and argues that Zak could have a motive for covering Klavier if he didn't want a not guilty, and he wouldn't want this not guilty if he was covering for Valant. Valant and Zak both deny that Valant did it. Kristoph just frames it as a desperate attempt to let Valant off the hook. Phoenix recalls that there wasn't any decisive evidence that pins Zak OR Valant to the killing, and the page would be the one to decide it all. Then it clicks, he remembers the contents of the fake page. This is his only chance. Phoenix begs Zak to show both pages to the court, and to truly believe that Phoenix will not only clear him but his brother, and that if he doesn't do that, Klavier's life will be ruined. Phoenix words ring hollow, as Zak made his decision a long time ago... Zak presents both pages to the court. Phoenix immediately points out that Magnifi was the one that ripped the page and gave it to Zak, meaning that he didn't have to be alive to see Valant, so he could have very well offed himself afterwards, and that the forged page would put more suspicion on Valant, the opposite of what Zak wanted. Valant admits that he tampered with the crime scene to frame his partner, but he didn't kill Magnifi. Kristoph is at breaking point and objects that Phoenix doesn't have evidence that Valant didn't kill Magnifi but Klavier quickly responds that the court doesn't have any evidence that excludes suicide. Phoenix and Klavier both point that Kristoph's theory is wrong and that he's the only one that possibly forged evidence. Kristoph desperately says they don't have evidence but Phoenix deals the final blow by choosing Trucy's portrait as his evidence. Trucy finally remembers and confirms Kristoph as the one that handed the page to her. Kristoph was bested by a 8 year old girl. Both Valant and Zak get a not guilty veredict, Valant is extremely regretful of what he did but Zak pardons him and offers to continue the troupe Grammayre with him, Klavier is moved by Phoenix's unending faith not only on his client but his opponent as well. This is the good ending.
Btw thank you for the pin. This one was a hard one to figure out, it almost seemed that Kristoph would win this fight no matter what, but it was doomed the moment he so blatantly gave forged evidence to a child
@BRAZILIAN_MIKU I just appreciate your take on the scenario. I also feel like the ending was quite bad, because it was rushed. It's very nice to see someone make their own version of the events I presented here, because even this video has potential for extremely compelling scenarios, the least of which was the half-assed ending it has. Thank you for sharing your perspective, it means a lot!
A little bit similar thing was at Rise from the Ashes (PW:AA Episode 5), when Lana Skye was supposed to make a statement, when Phoenix wanted to begin to cross-examine her, Gant immediately interrupted her
And if you think about it, there is a good chance that Kristoph might end up murdering Phoenix because he got a little too close to the truth, as well as all his spying like he did in Apollo Justice.
I think this version of events is actually worse than Phoenix getting disbarred, because no one might ever find out the truth that Kristoph was the forger. Well made!
@@naattxxnaattxx7055 He’s not the killer *yet*. He planted the ticking time bombs in the forger’s stamp and nail polish with poison, so depending on how the events here play out, we don’t know for sure if its gonna happen earlier or later than the original, or if it happen at all. The murder of Enigmar also happens way later, and it had Wright lose his job in the first place, tho still possible Kristoph might kill Enigmar anyway.
@@naattxxnaattxx7055 Magnifi committed suicide due to Valant arriving at the hospital after Zak. Valant being upset that he wouldn't get ownership rights decided to pin the blame on Zak.
"Kristoph is the forger!" "No I'm not, even though I've done nothing but make myself look suspicious this whole trial." "Understandable, have a nice day."
Phoenix's anger towards Klavier seemed unreasonable, why would otherwise Klavier even agree for Trucy to testify. Phoenix should have doubted Ktistoph's claims and yet he didn't.
This is very well made, but I can't help but feel like Phoenix would press further after Kristoph's testimony. There are still unanswered questions, after all. However barring that, this was amazing. Everyone stayed true to their characters and the story was laid out fantastically.
Not a bad what if but I agree with other comments. Phoenix not asking questions why there are inconsistencies about Klavier being a forger, especially when he was himself eager to interrogation of Trucy and Kristoph. Plus not once the "witness to the forgery" Drew Misham was called to the stand.
Good stuff! A thoroughly enjoyable alternate take on the '7 years ago...' case, it was satisfying not seeing Phoenix fall into the trap - he handled the tricky manoeuvring of the serious allegations exactly how I imagine a seasoned, post-T&T Wright would've handled it. I also like how you had the exchange between the Judge and the disgraced attorney about 'having a good explanation' coming from Klavier instead of Phoenix at the end, it made for a nice ironic echo of how the events transpired in canon! To quote the Judge's brother, "I'm not sure how I feel about" everyone kinda piling on Klavier after Kristoph throws him under the bus, though. I guess I was expecting Phoenix to not get thrown off the scent given how fishy Kristoph was acting? There's also another point I would've felt might've been good for Phoenix to bring up in his defence - time constraints. He'd only just taken Zak's case the day before trial, would anyone reasonably expect him to be able to forge the diary page in under 24 hours? I know "Drew" is good at his job, but _that_ good? Still, it didn't take away from this being an enjoyable watch that was very well put together. I suppose my critique could boil down to 'it ended a bit abruptly, I'd definitely want to see a longer version where Phoenix is able to drag the truth out of Kristoph at the stand' - i.e. would like to see more!
Maybe if this alternate version of events was a bonus in a remake of AJ or sth, then there would be a choice between just letting it rest or asking further questions "even if it seems pointless because we have a rather airtight chain of events" and the result if you win that extension is another alternate ending of Kristoph being caught 7 years early.
Honestly, you don't even need to go so far, you can change the timeline by letting Phoenix cross-examine Drew Misham on the stand: Phoenix: "So, how long did it take you to make this forgery?" Misham: "Oh, it was a weeklong process. I needed the original diary, you see, in order to make the forgery. First, I needed the extensive handwriting sample found from the other entries. I needed to match the pen, the ink, and I needed to create the exact same type of paper as well. Then there's the matter of perfectly matching the tear pattern of the diary- very tricky business that." Phoenix: "...So, you needed access to the real evidence in order to produce this fake?" Misham: "Yes. There would be no way to perfectly reproduce either the handwriting or the tear without it. Pictures simply wouldn't do." Phoenix: "...Your Honor, I received the case record, including the evidence, only this morning. The diary has been in the prosecutor's exclusive possession since this case was submitted for trial. It was not possible for the defense to forge this document... unless they had access to the prosecution's evidence safe." Klavier: "...Wait a minute... Oh."
I was going to make some idea that made Phoenix aware that submitting evidence you recieved from a child you did not know was stupid, but this is the half that would make this case work out perfectly.
Damm I felt so bad for klavier, being imprisoned for life for a crime he didn't committed being incriminated by his own brother, must've been really depressing. Kinda makes me glad for the real timeline to be canon tho.
I’m really glad most people liked that line, as well as Klavier’s mini breakdown. I wanted to make that scene feel like Phoenix’s scene where he’s being accused and he knows he can’t do anything but watch as his profession, as well as the truth, is ripped away from him. Making Klavier do the same was for a different reason; I figured that he would be so appalled by his own brother betraying him, for what he believes to be no reason, that he just wouldn’t have found the right words to say anything back.
3:13 I go on tcrf a lot, and I kinda appreciate you using this animation; it's technically unused in the game since 17-year-old Klavier never has a moment like this. I really like it when fanmade works use unused and/or unimplemented material.
While this is actually the bad ending, this would've also been the most logical ending if Phoenix Wright wasn't a bit dumbed down in Apollo Justice. Think about it, Phoenix has been a very experienced lawyer at this point in time and knows what shenanigans can happen in court. Then suddenly a suspicious child hands him a suspicious piece of evidence that suspiciously fits in extremely well with the evidence the PROSECUTOR is presenting. It's like the most blatant trap ever. Even Rise from the Ashes Phoenix knew when people were blatant about their traps during Damon Gant's leather handprint conundrum.
lol, I tried to make that like a sort of what Damon Gant does in the final trial day of RFtA, but it ended up being a little goofier than I expected >_
I beat this game yesterday in the Apollo Justice trilogy, I really loved these videos, and the most impressive thing is that I can really see this happening in a game in this franchise
Wow, first of all congrats on a well done video. The cutscenes were very well done, I could have perfectly mistaken it for a real AA game scene. I particularly enjoyed how this scenario made Kristoph look even more as a complete psycopath; seeing things were going south for him fast as Phoenix evaded his trap and figured his devious scheme out, he had no issue with framing his own brother for the crime and let him take the fall in his stead. The only objection I would have is that perhaps Phoenix changed his mind too quick in regards to who he suspected , if he already suspected Kristoph, he shouldn't have shifted his focus that fast. Still I believe this was a great Alternate Scenario, and I find it way more believable than the canonical version, in which Phoenix's 3-year experience was conveniently omitted in order to justify his disbarment imho. I would welcome with open arms a series of videos where the events of this AU are explored in greater depth, though I understand it may be complicated to decide on what hypothetical routes to follow. Kudos to you
Thank you so much for the feedback, I really do appreciate it. I try my best to write Shu Takumi's characters with as much accuracy as possible so I'm glad this has sort of shown that. ^-^
Damn, that was so good! You are truly worthly of making your own fan-cases with such good reasoning and character understanding. Good job, hopefully this video would be recommended to lots of people.
Really liked it up until the end, mostly because he was already well aware of how Kristoph is, but the moment he testified, he believed him without a second thought?? Why is he now suddenly telling the truth even though Wright was extremely suspicious of him and not at all of Klavier 😭😭
I’m a huge fan of Apollo Justice, so seeing this in my recommendations made me scream a little inside. It was so good! Blew all my expectations away and I’m now going to start binging the rest of your content
I noticed you used some of phoenix's lines for klavier like the "if I had a good explanation for this" Now my headcanon for these events is that we get hobo klavier who adopts trucy (Zak still does the magic trick since why not) then gets apollo to join their "Gavin Talent Agency" and the show goes on...
@@muaddib5079 Yeah, that's the only unreasonable part about this. Phoenix just got banned for presenting forged evidence, and Klavier gets a life sentence for the same thing? A follow-up investigation would totally have happened and made his sentence reasonable.
Really cool What-if, and with the old graphics as well! Splendid! It definitely seems like something that would be added to the game, as all official what-if scenarions are very tragic. Good Job!
I would love if there was a continuation about phoenix defending klavier somehow. I don't mean you should do it, but i like to think that the things end up with the same outcome on a different universe finding kristoph guilty, good job! It really felt canon
I appreciate the effort. However, I think that the main problem revolves around the Gant's like dilemma. In his case, he had to interfere because Lana was about to start talking too much, and he knew that Phoenix got the “evidence” from his safe and Gumshoe was the witness of that. Although it might seem similar, in Kristoph's case it does not allow him to accuse Wright of anything because no proof was presented by him in your scenario. And him presenting the torn off segment of a page of the diary does not prove anything as he claims. In my view, Kristoph wanted Zak's page to get nullified by a forged one or turn him against Phoenix and thus destroying them both. But as we know, Phoenix decides to take the whole blame, which after Zak's escape reveals to Kristoph that he has the genuine page and so Kristoph becomes restless for the next 7 years in covering his tracks of his involvement. Besides, it would be much better if Drew Misham was called to the stand anyway because Phoenix got Edgeworth's like argument that he has got not time to commit anything. Because he was assigned as a defense for less than one day, and Drew's testimony will corroborate that!
I honestly feel the same. On the surface, I thought it could work because by this time, Phoenix was well known by his peers and so if he were to present the torn off segment of the diary, people would assume that there is more to it because of Phoenix’a reputation. However I definitely felt that Kristopher could have been handled better in the sense that he definitely had no reason to just come out of nowhere and try to accuse Wright. I never even used Drew Misham as well, which is a bummer and I really wish I had done so because it was a missed opportunity. But, Kristoph getting impatient and wishing to throw Phoenix under the bus felt something reminiscent to what he’d have probably done if, say, Klavier just never brought up the possibility of forged evidence, or in this scenario, Phoenix just didn’t have it with him. I appreciate the criticism!
@@lilmarcyx3 I do believe that your idea of Kristoph throwing Klavier under the bus might work out. But I think Kristoph should interrupt the process after Misham's second testimony, like Gant did in Lana's case. Trucy's words should not be considered admissible as evidence. And here's the twist: After Klavier's final speech, Kristoph stops the judge before postponing the procedures and requests the recess, and then he convinces Valant to confess that he tampered with the scene. Zak gets an acquittal. In the lobby, just before Phoenix and Zak start to celebrate their victory similarly to the Stolen Turnabout, Kristoph comes to them. He says that his new client accuses Zak of illegitimately denying him the right to the Gramarye's name and demands compensation for tarnishing his good name. His case becomes more solid than Wright's because Zak was still not cooperative with him like it was from the start, and because Zak did not notarize the page like he eventually does in the original timeline 7 years later. Zak does not believe in the victory, and still decides to escape. This time, however, he steals the diary with the missing page, because of his pride and because he does not believe that Trucy would be willing to commit to his vision. The trial is put on hold. Unfortunately, in comparison to Pearl, Trucy, who was the witness to it all, became resentful towards Wright and blamed him for losing her dad. Wright felt partially responsible for her current situation and, like in the original timeline, adopted her. But contrary to Von Karma's methods, he decides to support her in pursuing her wishes, but in her good name instead of Gramarye's one. After 7 years, Apollo still joins Kristoph's office because he believes that Kristoph's case is closer to justice and Valant's name is illegitimately tarnished. Meanwhile, Klavier, while incarcerated, becomes a proto-Blacquill because, similarly, he holds some keys to the truth. The Turnabout Trump still happens, but of course in a different configuration, though that might be a story for another time.
I've already seen these in Discord, for starters, lol. But this is a really cool scenario!! It's faithful to the original games too, which I really like! :D
Ah yeah, someone said they wanted an alternate scenario vid, and since I had finished this one I though I’d just upload it lol And yeah I try my best, thankies ;w;
Woah, this is so dam great. I just love how in-character you made everyone. Totally feels like I'm watching an episode from the actual game, great job!
Amazing work, I love it! I do believe if this was official we would've gotten one last "Objection!" coming from Phoenix since he'd probably feel something was off (kinda gives me 2-4 vibes), but of course the ending you gave was a lot more sorrow and proposes an interesting fate exchange between both lawyers. Anyway, great stuff. Very nice job!
I love so many of AA fan writers use Apollo Justice. I think the creators had good ideas, but as this video shows, the way they frame Wright is so stupid. I would have loved a game where Apollo has to defend Klavier and reveal all of this plot in the final case with the help of Phoenix. Fantastic video!!
I don't really like this version of events, or rather the ending. Phoenix' punishment in the game is justified, because while he didnt intend to sully the itnergity of the trial, he did present forged evidence without verifying it. That is why the line "If I had a good explanation, would the court be willing to listen?" works. It's an acknowledgement of responsibility, but also an acknowledgement that he was totally screwed by a third party. That's why the judge simply answered with a "No.", he witnessed Wright present the forged evidence himself, so this was cut and dry. Klavier in this case was merely accused by his brother and didn't make an effort to refute that accusation. Phoenix is also known for actively selfsabotaging his case just in the name of finding out the truth. Granted, this happened way later in the timeline, but in Dual Destinies he practically has the DLC case in the bag, but chose to prolong the trial to get to the bottom of the case because something still didnt feel right. I'd like to think this trait of Phoenix isn't something recent and has always been present, at least since the Matt Engarde trial.
"As long as you don't hurt Trucy..." Well then you should be worried. His track record of questioning kids is abysmal Cody Hackins in Turnabout Samurai is the only time he's had to and it was....not great?
This is bloody brilliant. You got all the characters perfectly in character, especially Zak Gramarye, who is a jerk and Klavier's discussion with preteen Trucy is just adorable.
While Wright would not get himself tricked so easily and would have found Kristoph suspicious (like they already spoke about the fact Klavier doesn't have long hair), and Klavier would try to defend himself even if mindboggled by what Kristoph did, this would be a good setup for an alternate AA game where Kristoph tries to corrupt the law and Wright tries to stop it while getting Klavier free
Most of this is great, but the ending is just dumb. Phoenix would never believe a testimony like that without a cross-examination. He digs for the truth, even if the testimony in front of him is good for his client. And Phoenix has seen Klavier actively pushing for testimony to be heard that would out the forger, which makes no sense if Klavier is the forger. I will buy anyone in that courtroom falling for it, but NOT Phoenix. If Phoenix had simply asked Klavier if Kristoph's allegations were true, only for Klavier to sadly confirm yes, unwilling to throw his own brother under the bus, then this ending would have been perfect.
Yeah this video is honestly pretty bad. For the first half I let myself get really into Succession and I studied Apollo Justice like studying for a test… but the second half was not as well thought out. The only way Phoenix would believe any of what Kristoph said is if this was his first trial, or at most before Justice For All. I’d love to revisit this video and make it more faithful in the future however.
Ya Phoinex is the guy who is restless for the truth, he's the one who breaks into Gant's safe to find evidence, confronts obvious convicts outside of court, and fights tooth, nail, heart, and mind to find the truth
@lilmarceyx3 Thinking of making a followup/alternate ending to this vid based on that? I'd love to see it. I might even just subscribe if you haven't made one already.
8:20 it’s pretty stupid that he didn’t show the evidence back in the original timeline. A lot could’ve been prevented, AND it was evidence that would help his case. It’s like he wants to go to prison.
To be fair, if you're dealing with a judge who is far too easily swayed and forgetful while assigning you tasks that's reserved for the detectives and police department (who apparently are so incompetent that they let Gregory Edgeworth's murder stay unsolved for years, or are so corrupt that they try pinning a murder on a literal kid just to nail a serial killer), all while being shat on by everyone every other "Hold it" or "Objection", I'm sure jail would be tempting after dealing with it all for years.
I wonder if this leads toan AU where Klavier takes up a 'Simon Blackquill'-type role except instead of prosecuting he managed to become a famous rock star from prison (thru anime logic) and instead of a noble sacrifice causing his imprisonment, it was his brother's betrayal. Side note: It was kind of cute seeing Klavier being so good with little Trucy
Still incredible that after T&T, phoenix got a lot more confident and this case proves that he is a great lawyer. Even tho he hasn't even investigated the scene of the crime, he went to court and he almost won the case also its always funny when phoenix ramdomly accuses the prosecution of being the real culprit of a crime like ''guys, hear me out. that little asshole over there is the murderer''
At 21:01 he says the “daughter of the victim” I think you meant to have him say daughter of the defendant. It’s just a little nick pick. I love the video. You did amazing. It actually felt like it could work in the game
I love the setup! What if scenarios like this are so cool, hats off to you for making it! These line of events are quite weak though. I don’t think Kristoph would’ve stopped the trial to accuse Phoenix out right, it feels too on the nose. And the fact that he called Trucy to the stand with no real plan, feels a bit dumb and way out of character for Kristoph. Like why would he do that when Trucy would surely rat him out? It also feels odd that Klaiver doesn’t speak up for himself and let’s Kristoph blindly accuse him. The judge continues the trial for this accusation, and just passes a verdict without any evidence? I don’t see why Klaiver doesn’t have a chance to speak for himself, but Phoenix does. Super cool what if scenario, but the narrative feels weak and out of character. I think the case could’ve continued with Wright not presenting the evidence, and then slowly getting to the bottom of the forged evidence throughout the trial.
"The judge continues the trial for this accusation, and just passes a verdict without any evidence?" Surprisingly still in character for the judge. Remember, he was convinced to allow multiple witness testimonies just because he was given a calamari and he literally says: "What's with you people? Can't I give my verdicts in peace?" I'd be shocked if he postponed the remainder of the trial for the following week.
This is truly amazing! Everything was in-character and I wouldn't lie if I say I that I was very excited through the whole video, specially at the dramatic ending from Kristoph. I would say that this was the most evil thing he have ever done, more evil what he did in the actual game. Truly, a very amazing made What-If video!
This was a really good one! I've always been wanting this sort of thing ever since I played Apollo Justice for the first time I don't think Klavier would be jailed for life, but he would be disbarred and maybe even seek assistance from Phoenix at some point which would make things interesting Not sure about the future of this timeline but it's fun to theorize!
It would be nice if it wasn't so fundamentally wrong. First, Phoenix would not be happy with shifting the blame. He'd want to find the truth. So he would cross-examine Kristoph. Next, you're omitting way too many crucial facts. Zak asked for the lawyer change a day before the trial. Kristoph then told Klavier. Phoenix, Klavier and Zak can testify about that. Then there's Drew Misham. He potentially would be able to testify about the timeframe as to when it was created/requested. Other facts would also come to light. For example the fact that Kristoph had the diary until the lawyer change - sth that would further be reinforced by police records. In short, further examination of witnesses would provide more than enough evidence to disbar Kristoph.
I can see what your train of thought is, but it’s a weak point. Phoenix would know Kristoph is lying regardless, because of the reaction Klavier provides. He wouldn’t have even needed the magatama - that’s why this video is flawed. The magatama is never used at any point during court, which means that he would have no reason to do it in this case either.
This is really cool, I can say. So Kristoph-like. I was thinking for long time about alternative scenario and you put close to my basic idea in such a simple form. Now I want to use it as a base for my video with credits to you of course. Do you mind?
Lol yeah, I’ve been debating on whether to make a sequel or alternate scenario to this alternate scenario, because I could see that delving here would be an excellent idea.
Considering hobo wright just despawns and you never hear anything about the jurist system again this is the canon route of the story lol. Edit: if anyone is asking but trucy it still could be that the events of the first case happened somehow but in a different way considering kristoph was only in jail for a month.
Doesn't Klavier show up later in the series tho? Like, he is no longer a major player in the plot because that requires them to admit AJ happens, but he's certainly not in the "disbarred and jailed for life"-situration.
This is a fantastic fan interpretation, so well written and with flawless logic. Tragic, but this case always was. Zak didn't even get to do his magic trick.
Ack I wish I had been able to show that in this video grrrr! Zak would have done it, regardless of the verdict handed down, so that was such a missed opportunity!
@@lilmarcyx3 Judge: "The court finds the defendant-" *HOLD IT* Zak: "I am sorry your honor, but how can you declare a not guilty verdict when the defendant is not present?"
honestly i think at the end wright would have realised that klavier wouldn't have time to forge the diary page the night before the trial and would have called out kristoph
Pretty gold video, it's funny how this timeline might actually be worse, Kristoph will eventually kill Zak anyway but since Phoenix wouldn't be disbarred he'd have nothing to do with the case and therefore be unable to convince Apollo to expose the truth, Trucy and Apollo never meet and never meet their mom since that only happens if Apollo joins the wright anything agency which he doesn't do in this timeline since he still likely works under Kristoph and with Klavier arrested turnabout serenade can never happen so it's impossible for them to meet, Lamiroir never regains her memories of her children since she never meets them again and Drew Misham and Vera both die without the truth of their death being exposed. Phoenix NOT getting disbarred results in the worst possible timeline
Love this! Agree with most of the other comments to get Drew and love giving Klavier Phoenix’s lines. An extended version where we get the whole truth would be so good Let me know when ace attorney multiverse comes out😂❤️
This kinda feels like something Capcom would do by creating a alternate timeline where Phoenix was spared of disbarment but The Gavins ended up taking the fall (Kristoph for requesting a forgery, and Klaviar for being aware and cooperating) resulting in a timeline that be far worse than what we saw in Aa4 and AA5
forget kristoph stopping the cross examination: what really bugged me in the end was klavier not fought back to his brother. he respected his brother, but in apollo justice he always felt something wrong and always wanted to see the truth (like he said there) and already had some suspect. so why when his brother is openly blaming him for something he did not do, he just accepts it and not fought back? i know he have no proof of that and probably there's fingerprints of klavier and wright only, but wright itself could've still suspected of kristoph and continued the trial
I am thinking about if Phoenix would let the last testimony slide that easily and accept that Klavier is forger. I believe more that he would try to get to the true truth of it. But then again, he has no eveidence at the moment.
Yeah this is clearly showing how much Kristoph Gavin clearly wanted Wright disbarred so that way he would be the better Lawyer. That was all he cared about.
Yes for sure! Here's the CG entance: file.garden/Zdf4wpzmo3pLm1HC/Popups/Screenshot_20230714_133947_DraStic_1.gif CG Exit: file.garden/Zdf4wpzmo3pLm1HC/Popups/Screenshot_20230714_133947_DraStic.gif CG about to receive penalty: file.garden/Zdf4wpzmo3pLm1HC/random%20BS/Screenshot_20230714_133947_DraStic_3_1.gif
What!? Omg, poor Klavi! Why would he be... if Feenie only was... !? At first, I thought, this is how it should have been, but... poor Klavi! 😢 I think I prefer the canon version after all.
I also wished I’d have given the video a bit more time before it was released. I like it, but I don’t love it. Not having Drew testify was a huge mistake ;w;
You know seeing Trucy sad realizing she did something bad just reminds me of something I’ve been thinking about after replaying AJ AA. Did Trucy, during those 7 years, ever blame herself for accidentally ruining her new dad’s life by giving him that forged evidence?
The only thing i don't agree with is Phoenix believing Kristoph. The ending in my opinion would be like this:
After Kristoph's testimony, the judge is moved and klavier is shook, but phoenix doesn't buy it. He argues that both gavin brothers are suspicious, and thus he is innocent. Kristoph immediately objects pointing out that Trucy defnitely did give Phoenix the forged evidence, Phoenix doesn't lie and says that Zak Grammayre immediately noticed it was a fake and Phoenix gave the page to him. Kristoph would object here saying that Zak could have been the one that forged the evidence, regretted it, gave to Klavier, that gave to him, that gave to Trucy to give to Phoenix. The judge is already lost at this point. Klavier is in the brink of collapse, but Phoenix doesn't bite down and calls Zak to the stand. Then 2 endings may occur:
Zak lies and says he met with Klavier to get a quick guilty veredict. Klavier is disgraced and disbarred. Phoenix is still skeptical and continues digging. Some time afterwards, Kristoph offs Phoenix Wright and blames it on Klavier, he even puts Apollo Justice, a rookie, to defend his brother,. It is now up to Apollo to defend Klavier without any assistance, maybe the tale is not over yet if Apollo defeats the odds...
Zak tells the truth and says he never met with Klavier before. (This one is a head scratcher, get ready) Kristoph calls bullshit but Phoenix argues that even if Zak forged the evidence, Zak doesn't have a motive to lie and try to cover for Klavier, because not covering for him would increase his chances of getting a not guilty. Because of that Phoenix proves that in all possible ways that this went down, Kristoph Gavin engages in fowl play. However, Kristoph does the Phoenix special of thinking outside the box and argues that Zak could have a motive for covering Klavier if he didn't want a not guilty, and he wouldn't want this not guilty if he was covering for Valant. Valant and Zak both deny that Valant did it. Kristoph just frames it as a desperate attempt to let Valant off the hook. Phoenix recalls that there wasn't any decisive evidence that pins Zak OR Valant to the killing, and the page would be the one to decide it all. Then it clicks, he remembers the contents of the fake page. This is his only chance. Phoenix begs Zak to show both pages to the court, and to truly believe that Phoenix will not only clear him but his brother, and that if he doesn't do that, Klavier's life will be ruined. Phoenix words ring hollow, as Zak made his decision a long time ago... Zak presents both pages to the court. Phoenix immediately points out that Magnifi was the one that ripped the page and gave it to Zak, meaning that he didn't have to be alive to see Valant, so he could have very well offed himself afterwards, and that the forged page would put more suspicion on Valant, the opposite of what Zak wanted. Valant admits that he tampered with the crime scene to frame his partner, but he didn't kill Magnifi. Kristoph is at breaking point and objects that Phoenix doesn't have evidence that Valant didn't kill Magnifi but Klavier quickly responds that the court doesn't have any evidence that excludes suicide. Phoenix and Klavier both point that Kristoph's theory is wrong and that he's the only one that possibly forged evidence. Kristoph desperately says they don't have evidence but Phoenix deals the final blow by choosing Trucy's portrait as his evidence. Trucy finally remembers and confirms Kristoph as the one that handed the page to her. Kristoph was bested by a 8 year old girl. Both Valant and Zak get a not guilty veredict, Valant is extremely regretful of what he did but Zak pardons him and offers to continue the troupe Grammayre with him, Klavier is moved by Phoenix's unending faith not only on his client but his opponent as well. This is the good ending.
Btw thank you for the pin. This one was a hard one to figure out, it almost seemed that Kristoph would win this fight no matter what, but it was doomed the moment he so blatantly gave forged evidence to a child
@BRAZILIAN_MIKU I just appreciate your take on the scenario. I also feel like the ending was quite bad, because it was rushed. It's very nice to see someone make their own version of the events I presented here, because even this video has potential for extremely compelling scenarios, the least of which was the half-assed ending it has.
Thank you for sharing your perspective, it means a lot!
Kristoph immediately throwing Klavier under the bus is hilariously in-character.
I do feel sorry for Klaiver considering how manipulated he was, it was cute how easily he charmed Trucy tho.
I was going “IS HE GOING TO…”
Kristoph : if i am going down then i will make everyone go down with me
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Kristoph calling Trucy to the stand, then immediately stopping her testimony is so dumb. I can totally see it happening in game
A little bit similar thing was at Rise from the Ashes (PW:AA Episode 5), when Lana Skye was supposed to make a statement, when Phoenix wanted to begin to cross-examine her, Gant immediately interrupted her
@@JDLP0118 and the Edgeworth Intrupted him saying that since he left he can't be a witness again
Interesting how, if Phoenix had won this case, it would've made the lives of everyone involved even worse than they were in canon.
And if you think about it, there is a good chance that Kristoph might end up murdering Phoenix because he got a little too close to the truth, as well as all his spying like he did in Apollo Justice.
I'd say that entirely depends on Phoenix trying to dig any deeper. As long as he doesn't he won't be a threat to Kristoph.@@lilmarcyx3
@prosecutorwalton Yeah but... this is Phoenix we're talking about here.
Getting to the truth is kinda his whole thing.
@@Yuka54318 Yeah, I feel like Phoenix definitely would feel like there is something more to it and dig deeper, which could lead to his death.
@@lilmarcyx3 and then there’s the Phoenix Luck:tm: that saves his ass from getting killed and instead just gives him a paper cut
I think this version of events is actually worse than Phoenix getting disbarred, because no one might ever find out the truth that Kristoph was the forger. Well made!
Also, the killer if I remember correctly
@@naattxxnaattxx7055 He’s not the killer *yet*. He planted the ticking time bombs in the forger’s stamp and nail polish with poison, so depending on how the events here play out, we don’t know for sure if its gonna happen earlier or later than the original, or if it happen at all.
The murder of Enigmar also happens way later, and it had Wright lose his job in the first place, tho still possible Kristoph might kill Enigmar anyway.
@@naattxxnaattxx7055 Magnifi committed suicide due to Valant arriving at the hospital after Zak. Valant being upset that he wouldn't get ownership rights decided to pin the blame on Zak.
Hell we wouldnt have the agency most likely
"Kristoph is the forger!"
"No I'm not, even though I've done nothing but make myself look suspicious this whole trial."
"Understandable, have a nice day."
The one thing I don’t like about this fanmade ending
Phoenix's anger towards Klavier seemed unreasonable, why would otherwise Klavier even agree for Trucy to testify. Phoenix should have doubted Ktistoph's claims and yet he didn't.
This is very well made, but I can't help but feel like Phoenix would press further after Kristoph's testimony. There are still unanswered questions, after all.
However barring that, this was amazing. Everyone stayed true to their characters and the story was laid out fantastically.
And thus Apollo never became an attorney, Trucy never became Nicks daughter and Nick kept his job.
Ah yes, the good ending :
Phoenix kept his job.
@@Noone-ub4isI mean in a way, yeah
Apollo would have been a defense attorney anyway, considering the backstory from Spirit of Justice
And the Dark Age of Law never start glorious.
and maya kept getting accused of murder
It's totally in-character for Kristoph to immediately blame Klavier the moment his scheme falls apart lol
Also damn, so Klavier gets disbarred instead? This IS a worse ending as without Klavier's persistence, Apollo would never have caught Kristoph.
Not a bad what if but I agree with other comments. Phoenix not asking questions why there are inconsistencies about Klavier being a forger, especially when he was himself eager to interrogation of Trucy and Kristoph. Plus not once the "witness to the forgery" Drew Misham was called to the stand.
Good stuff! A thoroughly enjoyable alternate take on the '7 years ago...' case, it was satisfying not seeing Phoenix fall into the trap - he handled the tricky manoeuvring of the serious allegations exactly how I imagine a seasoned, post-T&T Wright would've handled it. I also like how you had the exchange between the Judge and the disgraced attorney about 'having a good explanation' coming from Klavier instead of Phoenix at the end, it made for a nice ironic echo of how the events transpired in canon!
To quote the Judge's brother, "I'm not sure how I feel about" everyone kinda piling on Klavier after Kristoph throws him under the bus, though. I guess I was expecting Phoenix to not get thrown off the scent given how fishy Kristoph was acting? There's also another point I would've felt might've been good for Phoenix to bring up in his defence - time constraints. He'd only just taken Zak's case the day before trial, would anyone reasonably expect him to be able to forge the diary page in under 24 hours? I know "Drew" is good at his job, but _that_ good?
Still, it didn't take away from this being an enjoyable watch that was very well put together. I suppose my critique could boil down to 'it ended a bit abruptly, I'd definitely want to see a longer version where Phoenix is able to drag the truth out of Kristoph at the stand' - i.e. would like to see more!
Maybe if this alternate version of events was a bonus in a remake of AJ or sth, then there would be a choice between just letting it rest or asking further questions "even if it seems pointless because we have a rather airtight chain of events" and the result if you win that extension is another alternate ending of Kristoph being caught 7 years early.
Completely underrated. I love it! I wish I can see Phoenix cross-examinating Kristoph to proove Klavier's innocence.
Honestly, you don't even need to go so far, you can change the timeline by letting Phoenix cross-examine Drew Misham on the stand:
Phoenix: "So, how long did it take you to make this forgery?"
Misham: "Oh, it was a weeklong process. I needed the original diary, you see, in order to make the forgery. First, I needed the extensive handwriting sample found from the other entries. I needed to match the pen, the ink, and I needed to create the exact same type of paper as well. Then there's the matter of perfectly matching the tear pattern of the diary- very tricky business that."
Phoenix: "...So, you needed access to the real evidence in order to produce this fake?"
Misham: "Yes. There would be no way to perfectly reproduce either the handwriting or the tear without it. Pictures simply wouldn't do."
Phoenix: "...Your Honor, I received the case record, including the evidence, only this morning. The diary has been in the prosecutor's exclusive possession since this case was submitted for trial. It was not possible for the defense to forge this document... unless they had access to the prosecution's evidence safe."
Klavier: "...Wait a minute... Oh."
Perfect way to solve this case Wright here! XD
I was going to make some idea that made Phoenix aware that submitting evidence you recieved from a child you did not know was stupid, but this is the half that would make this case work out perfectly.
Damm I felt so bad for klavier, being imprisoned for life for a crime he didn't committed being incriminated by his own brother, must've been really depressing.
Kinda makes me glad for the real timeline to be canon tho.
Great work on this. Klavier using Phoenix's original line about if he had a good explanation would the court hear him out hit hard.
I’m really glad most people liked that line, as well as Klavier’s mini breakdown.
I wanted to make that scene feel like Phoenix’s scene where he’s being accused and he knows he can’t do anything but watch as his profession, as well as the truth, is ripped away from him.
Making Klavier do the same was for a different reason; I figured that he would be so appalled by his own brother betraying him, for what he believes to be no reason, that he just wouldn’t have found the right words to say anything back.
3:13 I go on tcrf a lot, and I kinda appreciate you using this animation; it's technically unused in the game since 17-year-old Klavier never has a moment like this. I really like it when fanmade works use unused and/or unimplemented material.
I think this Alternative Timeline opens up a lot of new possibities, like Apolo being an attorney under Wright and things like that
While this is actually the bad ending, this would've also been the most logical ending if Phoenix Wright wasn't a bit dumbed down in Apollo Justice.
Think about it, Phoenix has been a very experienced lawyer at this point in time and knows what shenanigans can happen in court. Then suddenly a suspicious child hands him a suspicious piece of evidence that suspiciously fits in extremely well with the evidence the PROSECUTOR is presenting. It's like the most blatant trap ever. Even Rise from the Ashes Phoenix knew when people were blatant about their traps during Damon Gant's leather handprint conundrum.
Ok i'm sorry but kristoph interrupting the cross examination is so funny
lol, I tried to make that like a sort of what Damon Gant does in the final trial day of RFtA, but it ended up being a little goofier than I expected >_
@@lilmarcyx3dont worry, it still turned out to be good!
This was so good. It felt like playing a real case and seeing what Kristoph did at the end... incredible.
Seems pretty good, though it seems kinda odd that Klavier didn't try to fight back against Kristoph's accusation.
I mean it kinda makes sense, he's still 17 here, so maybe he thought he didn't even stand a chance of pushing back against his brother
Uh, at 20:15, Klavier says his Own Name Instead of Kristoph lol!
Oh nice catch! I didn’t even notice it myself. :3
@@lilmarcyx3 Glad I could Help lol! (And this is the First Time I’ve been Pinned! Pretty Cool lol! Also, Poor Klavier man.)
Klavierverse
@@lenarratorsocietyofsuperio2731 Ace Attorney: Into The Klavier-Verse!
Truly like an Ace Attorney game localization, even the typos and mistakes!
The new prosecutor for the case was Sebastian DeBeste!
And Wright won immediately after the first cross examination
A yes, good ol’ Eustace Winner
I beat this game yesterday in the Apollo Justice trilogy, I really loved these videos, and the most impressive thing is that I can really see this happening in a game in this franchise
“The same things that make us laugh, make us cry.” I get that.. he’s saying he’s so betrayed he can’t even believe it.
22:48-22:54 I see what you did there, Big Smoke.
Wow, first of all congrats on a well done video. The cutscenes were very well done, I could have perfectly mistaken it for a real AA game scene. I particularly enjoyed how this scenario made Kristoph look even more as a complete psycopath; seeing things were going south for him fast as Phoenix evaded his trap and figured his devious scheme out, he had no issue with framing his own brother for the crime and let him take the fall in his stead. The only objection I would have is that perhaps Phoenix changed his mind too quick in regards to who he suspected , if he already suspected Kristoph, he shouldn't have shifted his focus that fast. Still I believe this was a great Alternate Scenario, and I find it way more believable than the canonical version, in which Phoenix's 3-year experience was conveniently omitted in order to justify his disbarment imho. I would welcome with open arms a series of videos where the events of this AU are explored in greater depth, though I understand it may be complicated to decide on what hypothetical routes to follow. Kudos to you
That was fantastic. With sound logic and reasoning. Nicely written, I could see this being an official alternate path.
Thank you so much for the feedback, I really do appreciate it. I try my best to write Shu Takumi's characters with as much accuracy as possible so I'm glad this has sort of shown that. ^-^
Damn, that was so good! You are truly worthly of making your own fan-cases with such good reasoning and character understanding. Good job, hopefully this video would be recommended to lots of people.
Really liked it up until the end, mostly because he was already well aware of how Kristoph is, but the moment he testified, he believed him without a second thought?? Why is he now suddenly telling the truth even though Wright was extremely suspicious of him and not at all of Klavier 😭😭
I’m a huge fan of Apollo Justice, so seeing this in my recommendations made me scream a little inside. It was so good! Blew all my expectations away and I’m now going to start binging the rest of your content
Either using "it" and his life goes to shit or not falling into Kristoph's trap, but things might get worse...
Quite a fork we're having here.
11:48 Reword that sentence Phoenix.
To be fair I think he meant cute as a kid not a lady
Which to be fair she's a little goober it would criminal to not call her cute
I noticed you used some of phoenix's lines for klavier like the "if I had a good explanation for this"
Now my headcanon for these events is that we get hobo klavier who adopts trucy (Zak still does the magic trick since why not) then gets apollo to join their "Gavin Talent Agency" and the show goes on...
But it says klavier got life sentence.
@@muaddib5079 Yeah, that's the only unreasonable part about this. Phoenix just got banned for presenting forged evidence, and Klavier gets a life sentence for the same thing? A follow-up investigation would totally have happened and made his sentence reasonable.
@@Sephiroth08150 well, the laws of japanifornia aren't fair.
@@muaddib5079 I agree, but a constant in the series is, if there has to be unfair shit happening, it's always towards the defense, not the prosecution
@@Sephiroth08150 it is what it is I think, but it sure got me depressed
Really cool What-if, and with the old graphics as well! Splendid!
It definitely seems like something that would be added to the game, as all official what-if scenarions are very tragic. Good Job!
I would love if there was a continuation about phoenix defending klavier somehow. I don't mean you should do it, but i like to think that the things end up with the same outcome on a different universe finding kristoph guilty, good job! It really felt canon
I appreciate the effort. However, I think that the main problem revolves around the Gant's like dilemma. In his case, he had to interfere because Lana was about to start talking too much, and he knew that Phoenix got the “evidence” from his safe and Gumshoe was the witness of that. Although it might seem similar, in Kristoph's case it does not allow him to accuse Wright of anything because no proof was presented by him in your scenario. And him presenting the torn off segment of a page of the diary does not prove anything as he claims. In my view, Kristoph wanted Zak's page to get nullified by a forged one or turn him against Phoenix and thus destroying them both. But as we know, Phoenix decides to take the whole blame, which after Zak's escape reveals to Kristoph that he has the genuine page and so Kristoph becomes restless for the next 7 years in covering his tracks of his involvement. Besides, it would be much better if Drew Misham was called to the stand anyway because Phoenix got Edgeworth's like argument that he has got not time to commit anything. Because he was assigned as a defense for less than one day, and Drew's testimony will corroborate that!
I honestly feel the same. On the surface, I thought it could work because by this time, Phoenix was well known by his peers and so if he were to present the torn off segment of the diary, people would assume that there is more to it because of Phoenix’a reputation.
However I definitely felt that Kristopher could have been handled better in the sense that he definitely had no reason to just come out of nowhere and try to accuse Wright. I never even used Drew Misham as well, which is a bummer and I really wish I had done so because it was a missed opportunity.
But, Kristoph getting impatient and wishing to throw Phoenix under the bus felt something reminiscent to what he’d have probably done if, say, Klavier just never brought up the possibility of forged evidence, or in this scenario, Phoenix just didn’t have it with him.
I appreciate the criticism!
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I do believe that your idea of Kristoph throwing Klavier under the bus might work out. But I think Kristoph should interrupt the process after Misham's second testimony, like Gant did in Lana's case. Trucy's words should not be considered admissible as evidence. And here's the twist: After Klavier's final speech, Kristoph stops the judge before postponing the procedures and requests the recess, and then he convinces Valant to confess that he tampered with the scene. Zak gets an acquittal. In the lobby, just before Phoenix and Zak start to celebrate their victory similarly to the Stolen Turnabout, Kristoph comes to them. He says that his new client accuses Zak of illegitimately denying him the right to the Gramarye's name and demands compensation for tarnishing his good name. His case becomes more solid than Wright's because Zak was still not cooperative with him like it was from the start, and because Zak did not notarize the page like he eventually does in the original timeline 7 years later. Zak does not believe in the victory, and still decides to escape. This time, however, he steals the diary with the missing page, because of his pride and because he does not believe that Trucy would be willing to commit to his vision. The trial is put on hold. Unfortunately, in comparison to Pearl, Trucy, who was the witness to it all, became resentful towards Wright and blamed him for losing her dad. Wright felt partially responsible for her current situation and, like in the original timeline, adopted her. But contrary to Von Karma's methods, he decides to support her in pursuing her wishes, but in her good name instead of Gramarye's one. After 7 years, Apollo still joins Kristoph's office because he believes that Kristoph's case is closer to justice and Valant's name is illegitimately tarnished. Meanwhile, Klavier, while incarcerated, becomes a proto-Blacquill because, similarly, he holds some keys to the truth. The Turnabout Trump still happens, but of course in a different configuration, though that might be a story for another time.
Apollo Justice if Phoenix had a brain
I've already seen these in Discord, for starters, lol.
But this is a really cool scenario!! It's faithful to the original games too, which I really like! :D
Ah yeah, someone said they wanted an alternate scenario vid, and since I had finished this one I though I’d just upload it lol
And yeah I try my best, thankies ;w;
This is AJAA, but with trilogy Phoenix writing. Great job, I love this idea!
That's because this Phoenix is only a couple months away from the trilogy's end.
Woah, this is so dam great. I just love how in-character you made everyone. Totally feels like I'm watching an episode from the actual game, great job!
Amazing work, I love it!
I do believe if this was official we would've gotten one last "Objection!" coming from Phoenix since he'd probably feel something was off (kinda gives me 2-4 vibes), but of course the ending you gave was a lot more sorrow and proposes an interesting fate exchange between both lawyers.
Anyway, great stuff. Very nice job!
*Meanwhile, somewhere waiting in the back*
Drew Misham; 'um... am I going to be needed, today?'
Klavier was so broken by the end he turned into Big Smoke🗿
22:48 "What fucking book?"
-GTA SA
I love so many of AA fan writers use Apollo Justice. I think the creators had good ideas, but as this video shows, the way they frame Wright is so stupid. I would have loved a game where Apollo has to defend Klavier and reveal all of this plot in the final case with the help of Phoenix. Fantastic video!!
I don't really like this version of events, or rather the ending.
Phoenix' punishment in the game is justified, because while he didnt intend to sully the itnergity of the trial, he did present forged evidence without verifying it. That is why the line "If I had a good explanation, would the court be willing to listen?" works. It's an acknowledgement of responsibility, but also an acknowledgement that he was totally screwed by a third party. That's why the judge simply answered with a "No.", he witnessed Wright present the forged evidence himself, so this was cut and dry.
Klavier in this case was merely accused by his brother and didn't make an effort to refute that accusation.
Phoenix is also known for actively selfsabotaging his case just in the name of finding out the truth. Granted, this happened way later in the timeline, but in Dual Destinies he practically has the DLC case in the bag, but chose to prolong the trial to get to the bottom of the case because something still didnt feel right. I'd like to think this trait of Phoenix isn't something recent and has always been present, at least since the Matt Engarde trial.
"As long as you don't hurt Trucy..."
Well then you should be worried. His track record of questioning kids is abysmal
Cody Hackins in Turnabout Samurai is the only time he's had to and it was....not great?
Klavier was very in character. Nice work
This is bloody brilliant. You got all the characters perfectly in character, especially Zak Gramarye, who is a jerk and Klavier's discussion with preteen Trucy is just adorable.
While Wright would not get himself tricked so easily and would have found Kristoph suspicious (like they already spoke about the fact Klavier doesn't have long hair), and Klavier would try to defend himself even if mindboggled by what Kristoph did, this would be a good setup for an alternate AA game where Kristoph tries to corrupt the law and Wright tries to stop it while getting Klavier free
Most of this is great, but the ending is just dumb. Phoenix would never believe a testimony like that without a cross-examination. He digs for the truth, even if the testimony in front of him is good for his client. And Phoenix has seen Klavier actively pushing for testimony to be heard that would out the forger, which makes no sense if Klavier is the forger. I will buy anyone in that courtroom falling for it, but NOT Phoenix.
If Phoenix had simply asked Klavier if Kristoph's allegations were true, only for Klavier to sadly confirm yes, unwilling to throw his own brother under the bus, then this ending would have been perfect.
Yeah this video is honestly pretty bad. For the first half I let myself get really into Succession and I studied Apollo Justice like studying for a test… but the second half was not as well thought out.
The only way Phoenix would believe any of what Kristoph said is if this was his first trial, or at most before Justice For All.
I’d love to revisit this video and make it more faithful in the future however.
Ya Phoinex is the guy who is restless for the truth, he's the one who breaks into Gant's safe to find evidence, confronts obvious convicts outside of court, and fights tooth, nail, heart, and mind to find the truth
@lilmarceyx3 Thinking of making a followup/alternate ending to this vid based on that? I'd love to see it. I might even just subscribe if you haven't made one already.
8:20 it’s pretty stupid that he didn’t show the evidence back in the original timeline. A lot could’ve been prevented, AND it was evidence that would help his case. It’s like he wants to go to prison.
To be fair, if you're dealing with a judge who is far too easily swayed and forgetful while assigning you tasks that's reserved for the detectives and police department (who apparently are so incompetent that they let Gregory Edgeworth's murder stay unsolved for years, or are so corrupt that they try pinning a murder on a literal kid just to nail a serial killer), all while being shat on by everyone every other "Hold it" or "Objection", I'm sure jail would be tempting after dealing with it all for years.
I wonder if this leads toan AU where Klavier takes up a 'Simon Blackquill'-type role except instead of prosecuting he managed to become a famous rock star from prison (thru anime logic) and instead of a noble sacrifice causing his imprisonment, it was his brother's betrayal.
Side note: It was kind of cute seeing Klavier being so good with little Trucy
Still incredible that after T&T, phoenix got a lot more confident and this case proves that he is a great lawyer.
Even tho he hasn't even investigated the scene of the crime, he went to court and he almost won the case
also its always funny when phoenix ramdomly accuses the prosecution of being the real culprit of a crime like ''guys, hear me out. that little asshole over there is the murderer''
This is cool! Gonna watch it as soon as I'll finish the game!
At 21:01 he says the “daughter of the victim” I think you meant to have him say daughter of the defendant. It’s just a little nick pick. I love the video. You did amazing. It actually felt like it could work in the game
Yeah lol I made a lot of these mistakes in this video trust me>_<
Thank you for your kind words :3
I love the setup! What if scenarios like this are so cool, hats off to you for making it!
These line of events are quite weak though. I don’t think Kristoph would’ve stopped the trial to accuse Phoenix out right, it feels too on the nose. And the fact that he called Trucy to the stand with no real plan, feels a bit dumb and way out of character for Kristoph. Like why would he do that when Trucy would surely rat him out?
It also feels odd that Klaiver doesn’t speak up for himself and let’s Kristoph blindly accuse him. The judge continues the trial for this accusation, and just passes a verdict without any evidence? I don’t see why Klaiver doesn’t have a chance to speak for himself, but Phoenix does.
Super cool what if scenario, but the narrative feels weak and out of character. I think the case could’ve continued with Wright not presenting the evidence, and then slowly getting to the bottom of the forged evidence throughout the trial.
"The judge continues the trial for this accusation, and just passes a verdict without any evidence?"
Surprisingly still in character for the judge. Remember, he was convinced to allow multiple witness testimonies just because he was given a calamari and he literally says: "What's with you people? Can't I give my verdicts in peace?" I'd be shocked if he postponed the remainder of the trial for the following week.
This is truly amazing! Everything was in-character and I wouldn't lie if I say I that I was very excited through the whole video, specially at the dramatic ending from Kristoph. I would say that this was the most evil thing he have ever done, more evil what he did in the actual game.
Truly, a very amazing made What-If video!
This was a really good one! I've always been wanting this sort of thing ever since I played Apollo Justice for the first time
I don't think Klavier would be jailed for life, but he would be disbarred and maybe even seek assistance from Phoenix at some point which would make things interesting
Not sure about the future of this timeline but it's fun to theorize!
It would be nice if it wasn't so fundamentally wrong.
First, Phoenix would not be happy with shifting the blame. He'd want to find the truth. So he would cross-examine Kristoph.
Next, you're omitting way too many crucial facts.
Zak asked for the lawyer change a day before the trial. Kristoph then told Klavier. Phoenix, Klavier and Zak can testify about that. Then there's Drew Misham. He potentially would be able to testify about the timeframe as to when it was created/requested. Other facts would also come to light. For example the fact that Kristoph had the diary until the lawyer change - sth that would further be reinforced by police records. In short, further examination of witnesses would provide more than enough evidence to disbar Kristoph.
"im your older brother you can talk to me about anything!* (Boss health meter appears)
This is so unfaithful to the games. The judge is way too reasonable here
This was very well made, felt just like a genuine AA game
21:57 Goddamn, Phoenix really flew off the handle there
Whoah, this is so well made
The only issue i have with this is that phoenix would know that kristoph is lying thanks to his magatama, and would jump to the defence of klavier.
I can see what your train of thought is, but it’s a weak point.
Phoenix would know Kristoph is lying regardless, because of the reaction Klavier provides. He wouldn’t have even needed the magatama - that’s why this video is flawed.
The magatama is never used at any point during court, which means that he would have no reason to do it in this case either.
20:14 👏
Klav called himself to the witness stand
This is really cool, I can say. So Kristoph-like.
I was thinking for long time about alternative scenario and you put close to my basic idea in such a simple form.
Now I want to use it as a base for my video with credits to you of course.
Do you mind?
I do not mind, do as you please. I’d love to see what you come up with. ^-^
20:13
Klavier: Hurry up and testify, Klavier, lol
But the animation itself is amazing!
Hopefully someone retries Klavier's Forgery case years down the line. Like a certain edgy weeb prosecutor.
Lol yeah, I’ve been debating on whether to make a sequel or alternate scenario to this alternate scenario, because I could see that delving here would be an excellent idea.
Considering hobo wright just despawns and you never hear anything about the jurist system again this is the canon route of the story lol.
Edit: if anyone is asking but trucy it still could be that the events of the first case happened somehow but in a different way considering kristoph was only in jail for a month.
Doesn't Klavier show up later in the series tho? Like, he is no longer a major player in the plot because that requires them to admit AJ happens, but he's certainly not in the "disbarred and jailed for life"-situration.
I hate that scenario cua kristoph wins, I mean yeah it's life, sometimes you lose, sometimes you win, but seeing him suceed...i can't take it!
Imagine this actually being like a DLC case or something. Like a "What if?" episode. That would be pretty cool.
This is a fantastic fan interpretation, so well written and with flawless logic. Tragic, but this case always was. Zak didn't even get to do his magic trick.
Ack I wish I had been able to show that in this video grrrr!
Zak would have done it, regardless of the verdict handed down, so that was such a missed opportunity!
@@lilmarcyx3
Judge: "The court finds the defendant-"
*HOLD IT*
Zak: "I am sorry your honor, but how can you declare a not guilty verdict when the defendant is not present?"
@@naattxxnaattxx7055 *Phoenix sweating nervously*
"Mr. Gramarye, you're innocent, come back...."
Феня молодец, здесь не сдался, а решил бороться до последнего, вот это я понимаю Феникс Райт снова в деле, молодец, он мне всегда нравился
honestly i think at the end wright would have realised that klavier wouldn't have time to forge the diary page the night before the trial and would have called out kristoph
Klavier: I see my brother in this scenario is more or a disgrace then I thought
Pretty gold video, it's funny how this timeline might actually be worse, Kristoph will eventually kill Zak anyway but since Phoenix wouldn't be disbarred he'd have nothing to do with the case and therefore be unable to convince Apollo to expose the truth, Trucy and Apollo never meet and never meet their mom since that only happens if Apollo joins the wright anything agency which he doesn't do in this timeline since he still likely works under Kristoph and with Klavier arrested turnabout serenade can never happen so it's impossible for them to meet, Lamiroir never regains her memories of her children since she never meets them again and Drew Misham and Vera both die without the truth of their death being exposed. Phoenix NOT getting disbarred results in the worst possible timeline
phoenix not losing his job is still epic
@@Left4Coochie he doesn't adopt trucy in this timeline :(
Love this! Agree with most of the other comments to get Drew and love giving Klavier Phoenix’s lines. An extended version where we get the whole truth would be so good
Let me know when ace attorney multiverse comes out😂❤️
This kinda feels like something Capcom would do by creating a alternate timeline where Phoenix was spared of disbarment but The Gavins ended up taking the fall (Kristoph for requesting a forgery, and Klaviar for being aware and cooperating) resulting in a timeline that be far worse than what we saw in Aa4 and AA5
"That's a good Fraulein !"
Ooow ❤
You worked so well, you are very good 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
forget kristoph stopping the cross examination: what really bugged me in the end was klavier not fought back to his brother. he respected his brother, but in apollo justice he always felt something wrong and always wanted to see the truth (like he said there) and already had some suspect. so why when his brother is openly blaming him for something he did not do, he just accepts it and not fought back? i know he have no proof of that and probably there's fingerprints of klavier and wright only, but wright itself could've still suspected of kristoph and continued the trial
I am thinking about if Phoenix would let the last testimony slide that easily and accept that Klavier is forger. I believe more that he would try to get to the true truth of it. But then again, he has no eveidence at the moment.
IT'S SO SAD, BUT SO PERFECT🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀😨😭😭😭😭....
So it was Winston Payne who replaced Kristoph
Phoenix Wright pays his taxes? GONE WRONG, GONE EDGEWORTH
i fear
No way blud had to quote big smoke twice💀💀💀💀💀💀
Yeah this is clearly showing how much Kristoph Gavin clearly wanted Wright disbarred so that way he would be the better Lawyer. That was all he cared about.
Pls make more of this, this is so good
I feel like if his plan did actually go awry due to Phoenix's obliviousness he would simply try again later
Hi lilmarceyx3, how u make a DS health bar? I mean: 2:36
If you still have them can you share them please?
Yes for sure!
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@@lilmarcyx3 Thank you man.
What!? Omg, poor Klavi!
Why would he be...
if Feenie only was... !?
At first, I thought, this is how it should have been, but... poor Klavi! 😢
I think I prefer the canon version after all.
I have always wondered this! Thank you for this, but Drew Misham needed to show up and testify about the page, like in the original.
I also wished I’d have given the video a bit more time before it was released. I like it, but I don’t love it. Not having Drew testify was a huge mistake ;w;
@@lilmarcyx3Maybe make an alternative if Phoenix did end up continuing to cross-examine Kristoph?
Bruh!!! No matter which ending, an innocent attorney gets disbarred. Ooooh this was so good, screw you Kristoph!
You know seeing Trucy sad realizing she did something bad just reminds me of something I’ve been thinking about after replaying AJ AA. Did Trucy, during those 7 years, ever blame herself for accidentally ruining her new dad’s life by giving him that forged evidence?
This is actually well made it rlly feels like it would've in da game
welp that made me cry. poor klavier