Fanservice literally saved otherwise dead games like snowbreak. In gacha games if you cant make people care about a character in anyway be it gooning or busted kits then their not going to spend money to pull.
@@kmel3588that's because gacha games is where fanservice I basically a requirement where as gaming itself as a whole doesn't need it to sell the game where as gacha games driving force 9 times out of 10 is literally the characters
Yea just like anime, don't need bouncing boobs to tell a good story. But it also depends on what the story is about if it's a degen anime like keijo then I'd expect it🤷♂️
@@MrScottishDEMONBecause they simply follows the market science whatever, what immediately will caught someone attention which majority of the gamers are male. Its no different from comic books or anime manga who puts cool,fanservice etc in the front cover, and most superheroes we liked from western comics are all embodiment of fanservice Batman,Superman etc are all good looking muscular dudes who are OP same also for female chars. good looking sexy and OP. Its also no different from Anime all the char. that are generally popular are all cool,sexy good looking char. and OP, in gacha no different also that must pull char. also generally brim with fanservice plus generally useful or OP. And in gacha space or game market in general, its oversaturated too many competition, so for snowbreak case they really didn't anything have going for them, the gameplay itself is generally "mid" last i played, add that with no "fanservice" etc.
Fire Emblem is still getting games to this day because Awakening on the 3DS went hard on the waifu simulator that would have been the swan song of the series if it wasn't as well received and blew up in the West as it did.
What's crazy about SnowBreak Fanservice is the DEVS are anti censorship. They TOLD players how to UNCENSOR the game by putting a text file that players can edit Localization from 0 to 1 to remove it. If you aren't able to save the file, Advance Properties > Security > Edit permissions and add your Username/Account > Save. They were forced to censor it again recently and even remove Interactive scenes. Editing the Localization txt file adds them back and uncensors the outfits as well.
I swear bro, snowbreak devs are actually part of the community, they really care for the game, even tho of course they care for money, im not that delutional but you can actually see they care, most of the time bugs on a new patch get fixed like 3 hours after being found and they are always looking for the q.o.l updates asked by the community.
2025 is the year where Gooners and Non-gooners respect each other and live in harmony and realize both kinds of games can co-exist peacefully. It's time that we realize this was all Journos pitting us against each other this whole time!
tbf, fate series started out as an eroge around 2004. The franchise has been built for 11 years when FGO was released on 2015. Saying the gameplay sucks ass is just helping the argument that the franchise is so beloved that fans would still play and throw literal money at the company. So yes, r34 helped just like it helped other games. But to argue the franchise entirely/mainly rely on r34 to keep the game alive is just absurd. The release of Global version of the game helped garner more people in the West too.
Also i think Tectone missed the point of, that if the anime wasn't popular there wouldn't be any r34 art in the first place, the reason there is so many r34 art of Fate is due to the popularity of the brand which the anime was a huge reason for that. Yes Fate started out as an eroge but it wasn't about the sex scenes that sold players on the visual novel, it was the story and characters. The gameplay of Fate GO isn't really the main draw of the game (farming is 90% of the game), it's is the characters and the stories whether it be the MSQ or the event stories.
I feel like this topic comes up once a month bruh 💀 Long story short, its not necessary on a FUNDAMENTAL level, but it IS still another form of artistic expression, therefore it should be appreciated. It can also still be used as strong literary devices in stories like ME!ME!ME! and Chainsaw Man. This is why NSFW artists are still artists, because they’re still putting their creative expression to use. (I’d argue NSFW artists are the best artists because all they do is study anatomy) Jane Doe really made the entire internet question whether or not fanservice is the spawn of Satan 🤣
Jane doe also proved that many MANY people get blinded by the obvious fan service and don't stop to think about why said character is the way they are.
sometimes is not about the Fan Service, is how much you wish they had it. that's one of the reasons Rule 34 is so huge, because people go there to get the fan service they need so much. Characters personalities and designs sometimes are made specificly to "edge" those feelings in players, so they fall in love, so they spend more, because "WAIFU NEEDS A HOME". Btw, about Eula's banner, everyone who really wanted Eula had literally years to save, i was one of them, those calculations don't take free gems in mind so it's probably a big reason she's down there.
It’s okay if it doesn’t deviate from the main concept, lately a lot of creators/game/ publishers or other media, embraced fanservice and abuse it, to the point that their main focus shifted. Sometimes can be a good thing and sometimes not.
30:01 Speak for yourself my guy. I found Touhou through the Bad Apple fan video, and got pulled in by the music and the fighting game (TH 12.3). Just about every game and series I like and consume today I didn't find first through lewd artwork. Does lewd artwork help the series stay relevant and build a bigger community? Absolutely, but saying 90% of people are introduced to anything through lewd artwork I think is a rather b(a)ld statement. But I also don't spend a lot of time on X (formerly known as Twitter) either, and I'm aware of how much lewd artwork gets posted on there. Fate could be an exception since it started off as a lewd visual novel, but I'd also argue the anime has introduced and grown the community more than fan work and the visual novel. The anime is also how I learned of Fate, but I don't really consume or care about it. Now if you replace lewd artwork with memes, I'd believe that more, because people die if they are killed.
@@xLuis89x While that's true, it's hardly the reason why lewd memes don't get more widespread. Non-lewd memes are more generally accepted. Not everyone is fine with lewd stuff, so memes that are just humorous go a long way.
Fan-service is now an element that has become so familiar that it is not only found in gacha games but also in other games For me, if it disappeared, it would be fine, just a bit boring because I've gotten used to it 😅
even snes era games had fanservice, it's just that because gaming is more popular now, everyone gets to know about it, even thought fanservice right now is not at all how big it was prior to the covid era, nowadays fanservice in most games is very tame no matter how much the normies want to make a big fuss about it.
It definitely can make something easier to watch or play. Recently I’ve been playing Snowbreak Containment Zone. The game on its mechanics and gameplay alone isn’t that good, but the fan service is some of the best in gacha. I couldn’t believe China was allowing it…until they didn’t. It is so extreme that it’s been having numerous times of censorship from China. There is an easy fix to get rid of the censorship for people not in China, but it’s definitely another level. I genuinely enjoy the game and I am convinced it is the fanservice that is keeping me there. The most recent Marian skin actually got me to spend money which is unheard of for me. Katya is hot AF too. I don’t spend money on gacha games.
indeed, they did Eula dirty by making 0 supports that matter for pysichal teams, or anything that helps Eula, but instead they make it worse and worse for her with each new expansion, oh hey her ult one shots a current wave of enemies (if crit) oh wait, it's just the first wave or the enemy can only take a % of damage before changing phase (like a certain automaton boss cube...)
Fanservice is even better when it’s for a character that is established. Doubly so if the original creator has officially made lewds/he ntai of their characters.
it aint about angela being hot, its about a faithful adaptation without the clear and obvious signs that someone self-righteously made changes to make certain points from their own personal beliefs. its nauseating. just make her(and james for that matter) look like the old model but updated, its not hard. the "spirit" of the game is lost when you change the look of things that made such a mark on people and when you are making a game to capitalize on nostalgia, thats a huge thing to miss out on.
I somewhat agree, it's like changing the billy guy (don't remember the name, just know that it's a fat guy with a pistol) in the game and make him a gigachad in the remake, it doesn't make sense and it alters the feel of the game, but because people love to defend the uglification of women in media and videogames then it's ok to them.
It's cultural too. To European audiences it is more important that characters are relatable. More likely to be annoyed if they know their buttons are getting pushed cheaply. I feel audiences are moving towards this. Compare a conversation between 2 homesick goblins on a roof in Baldur's Gate to a supposedly traumatized girl who lost her mum in Starfield. I cared about the goblins. And I wish the girl would just shut up. It's not supposed to be like this. It's bigger than just saying that is bad writing. It's about erring on the side of caution when it comes to the player's good taste or intelligence.
Completely agree, I started playing nikke when it launched because of the fan service, and I still play it today not because of the fan service I dont actually care about it anymore but because the story is so good that I find myself enjoying it each time a new chapter drops
ngl I want a game where we play as Tau since they are the only major faction without downright racist and imperial tendencies and can settle things diplomatically.
Short reply: YES. Long reply: Yes, please. Let my Main Character date the Waifu I saved for pulling on her banner and if she can dress pretty, sexy or cute in alternate outfits, even better.
Lol, last comment, but I forgot to mention that it actually wasn't the first animation of that series, or rather, something in that world. Fans will know what I mean when I say that. The name escapes me at the moment, but it featured a boy who could see lines and cut through anything he chose. Those were the very first works of the author and the anime production that later led to "Fate/Stay Night," I believe.
18+ can't exists on the playstore/apple store, credit card companies problems, China problems... It goes on and on, it has nothing to do with h3ntai games being ''worse'', there is nothing inherently bad with eroticism + gaming, it's everything that surrounds it, which makes those games basically impossible to get big.
The only part he left out with Raiden Shogun performing so well though was she's a Mei clone, and Mei is one of Hoyo's most beloved characters across all of their games. Otherwise sure she's in the discussion for the most fanservice sold
Oh I know this guy... it's a...SunTzu... Sin null... Sigh nell? Anyway Gameplay and Story (Interest engagement in the long term) > Fanservice (Interest in the short term)
I have a weird stance on this,so personally I dont find drawings, pixels, ir whatever sexually appealing its not real so why be a fucking tard about it. That being said have I as an artist both publicly and in my unknown private life own name job lol you'll never figure it out no one has is 2 decades, have I exploited mentally impaired gooners and coomers through art the vague answer is yes. I've draw varying levels of skimpy clothes, semi sexualized poses fir both male znd female art to cater to a contingent out there but justified in that indeed it made me fucking money even in my youth having sketch "personas" on places like deviant or similar to make money. I'd say these days im a bit more careful publicly but dies that mean if I thought it was necessary I'd put out a series of honkai star rail chicks in micro bikinis made sense id go nahhhh..not really id still do it lol
It's not weird, it's weird of them to be simping over pixels, but it's good you make money by them being like that, good for you because you are working hard and making a living.
The very idea that people delude themselves into thinking it doesnt sell more, is beyond cope. Yes "$@x Sells" has been said since 1870 because it works. This actually works on women as well as men, because women care about being beautiful and want to be attractive too. That being said it absolutely does NOT survive based on that alone, if we are talking about games for example it has to be fun to play too, or at the very least have other addictive qualities to be successful.
Not necessary but it sure as hell makes a good game better I cannot think of a single game that wouldn't be improved by having at least one optional skimpy outfit for whatever female characters the game has except maybe concord
For some people it makes a game worse, they feel as though you are belittling their intelligence by trying to draw you in with such outfits. This is fine, it's literally just target audience. Some people like it and some people don't and as a company you just pick whichever one you want to market to. It's not complicated.
@@EyesDontCryWhy you making it complicated tho? An outfit is optional, so if someone doesn't like it they can just not use it. Your point would work if the entire game is based around fanservice. But for just an outfit that is optional your point doesn't make sense.
@@xhydrox the existence of the outfit shows an intention on the creators part, it was put into the game for a reason and those reasons can come off as again belittling of the players intelligence, thinking they need to give you such things to keep your attention. And I'm not exclusively talking about optional outfits, I'm broadly talking about Fanservice and why people don't like it. This person said fanservice DEFINATELY makes a good game better, I'm addressing why not because some people would see it as either bothersome if it is unoptional or cheap if it is an option at all. Imagine for example I go to a bar, I enter the bar and there's a side room for prostitution (it's legal in this hypothetical). Now it's optional and I don't have to go in there, but maybe I'm a person who just doesn't like prostitution and knowing it's available at this bar I'm in just makes me uncomfortable and want to leave. I'm not saying this person shouldn't just leave if they don't like it, but I am saying their reaction is a valid one and an example of how even having something be optional can turn you away from the whole thing because at the end of the day you know that optional thing is there, why it's there and what it means. For these people even optional Fanservice is still something that incluences how they feel about a game and why it wouldn't always be an improvement for everybody. This isn't a novel concept at all, it's just marketing. If you're players want Fanservice and it makes the game better for them, then it's better. If the players you want to target don't like Fanservice, then it's not better. Very simple stuff.
@@EyesDontCry ''for some people'' people who tends to complain about fanservice are doing it nowadays on games that are already doing fanservice but they are clueless and complain when it's done every time
The answer is no, mild fansvice is fine, they are alot of people who arent into pixels, like alot of people, keeping balance would be the best thing to do so different types of sudiences are happy. And the game shouldnt be based around just sexual things.
Tectone watch Marian's uncensored Snowbreak interactive scene onstream (BibiSum's video shows the whole thing), Katya has one too but this one is more recent. The whole Chinese govt. forced censorship (which has hit the game twice now) forced all the interactions of the scene to be removed, and the girls to get covered with clouds lmfao, it's hilarious. Thankfully every platform has a braindead easy method to uncensor (Steam's takes like 30 seconds), so it's not a huge deal. But with 2.3 patch, there has been a huge CN community drama that had the entire patches main story removed and writer fired. "Master Love" and the Ghost Bar have been going insane
really? I saw fanservice in that game from the very beginning, why people gotta act clueless all the time? or do you think Poseidon and her skins, and characters like kunotachi haven't existed in the game since the beginning? or do you just casually ommit the parts that don't prove your ideas?
It's the complete opposite, do you think people are playing tf2 and csgo all this time later because of the sexy scotsman or CT? Fanservice doesn't matter to longevity of a game, good characters and good gameplay is what keeps people around that's it.
@EyesDontCry yeah no shit it's the opposite, it's called a joke. Thanks for the unnecessary response, but i do prefer my games have some fanservice in it. It's why I'm so excited for Gfl2 😆
@@azureblaze3875 I don't know if you are aware but people unironically say yes in this comment section. You are joking, plenty of people are not and there's no indication which it is through simple text.
it depends on how much,but yes it is near everytime better if game has fanservice. Some games are build araound fanservice,and some game the fanservice is build araound the game(some decent here and there but thats it).
LOL, he keeps mentioning the first one, but it's actually Fate/stay night. Oops, I've messed it up, but you get the gist. The anime was released before the other related media. I think that's the case, but don't hold me to it because I'm not entirely sure. But yeah, I won't lie. When I first searched for H. Saber, there wasn't much available. So, it seems it just started gaining popularity, and then people began creating more. To understand the origins and timeline, you should check when the art was created, as things are constantly being updated.
This video didn't do men because there are a lot of gotcha men games too. Cyberpunk, Mortal Kombat Mobile, Mk 11, Diablo Immortal, Every Soul Caliber game ever made, Resident Evil 4, Final Fantasy 9, GTA 4, GTA 5, and the new remaster street fighter, these games are games girls play because of the male characters in them.
If a game is good it does not matter one way or the other, unless you are a culture warrior. If a game is bad it will not help enough to matter. If a game is ok it can help, while also being fodder for the culture warriors.
fan service is great, as long as it isn't overdone. just like how "gay people being in games are forced representation" i feel like a lot of the fan service in anime and games are completely overdone lol
does he even know where fate comes from? like bro, "people in porn are naked". Crazy right? thats exacty the same take when someone says fate has fanservice
i Intially found Genshin because of Jean, but played it after watching porn of it. I played Honkai Starrail because of Silver Wolf's Outfit. I downloaded ZZZ because of Zhu's Cake trailer.
+++ i don’t know if im crazy or people just like to hate on the remake, but i actually find new Angela quite cute and better looking than the old one, they just took one bad screenshot of her and deemed her woke and ugly, when she actually just looks normal to me
For a dude who hasn't gotten into fate yet, saying such crap is fucking hilarious. I like you Tecy, but honesty man you, who doesn't even know who Archer is, or even which one is which ever, besides the name of classification, and not the name the individual character shows the order of operations for Fate's claim to fame, from your perspective. For a long time fate fan, who has watched the anime first, I understood and understand very quickly, upon looking up simple info on the series that the series claim to fame is a combination of both Amazing story and hentai. The VN had sex scenes in it, and while it was there, a majority of the fanbase as well as the author understood that it's a significant take away and only added because as a VN in Japan, that was the only way the author could get it out on the market. Anyone who's into fate knows it has good hentai and we don't care, do you know why? Because we can differentiate between a good fictional fucking story, and its porn which is ontop a Hill of Fans, upon a pile of Authors Besides that, the homie in the video didn't even mention Garcher fanservice(Muramasa) but tecy don't like dude's who are cool. Gramps, Edmond, Shizuki, and ect are prime examples of authentic fanservice.
No, no it isn’t. Fan service tends to be nothing but an obstruction or destruction preventing good storytelling. Either that, or it’s just a nothing burger. So many games would be substantially better without it
So what games do you think would be better without it? Because imo most or at least more than half the time, fan service doesn't prevent good storytelling. Like a lot of times it's just there and it doesn't alter the story too much.
The only really fan service im into would be anything cool. I like 40k because cool. Helldivers has a lot of big booms which is cool. I like Dragonball because big buff men beating each other is ho- I mean cool.
While I respect the idea of fan service and understand why companies do it, I still find it really weird when a game bases their whole game off of it. However, it is absolutely not needed for a game to be successful, look at Dokkan and Summoners War, games that have been around for a decade and have zero sexual fan service.
"Is fanservice actually necessary?"
Necessary? No.
Appreciated? Absolutely.
Fanservice literally saved otherwise dead games like snowbreak. In gacha games if you cant make people care about a character in anyway be it gooning or busted kits then their not going to spend money to pull.
@@kmel3588that's because gacha games is where fanservice I basically a requirement where as gaming itself as a whole doesn't need it to sell the game where as gacha games driving force 9 times out of 10 is literally the characters
Yea just like anime, don't need bouncing boobs to tell a good story.
But it also depends on what the story is about if it's a degen anime like keijo then I'd expect it🤷♂️
@@MrScottishDEMONBecause they simply follows the market science whatever, what immediately will caught someone attention which majority of the gamers are male.
Its no different from comic books or anime manga who puts cool,fanservice etc in the front cover, and most superheroes we liked from western comics are all embodiment of fanservice Batman,Superman etc are all good looking muscular dudes who are OP same also for female chars. good looking sexy and OP.
Its also no different from Anime all the char. that are generally popular are all cool,sexy good looking char. and OP, in gacha no different also that must pull char. also generally brim with fanservice plus generally useful or OP.
And in gacha space or game market in general, its oversaturated too many competition, so for snowbreak case they really didn't anything have going for them, the gameplay itself is generally "mid" last i played, add that with no "fanservice" etc.
Fire Emblem is still getting games to this day because Awakening on the 3DS went hard on the waifu simulator that would have been the swan song of the series if it wasn't as well received and blew up in the West as it did.
The answer is yes
Fr I don't even need to watch the video...
Bro didn’t even watch it
Thanks for saving us 40 minutes!
Agreed
I definitely agree
What's crazy about SnowBreak Fanservice is the DEVS are anti censorship. They TOLD players how to UNCENSOR the game by putting a text file that players can edit Localization from 0 to 1 to remove it. If you aren't able to save the file, Advance Properties > Security > Edit permissions and add your Username/Account > Save. They were forced to censor it again recently and even remove Interactive scenes. Editing the Localization txt file adds them back and uncensors the outfits as well.
I swear bro, snowbreak devs are actually part of the community, they really care for the game, even tho of course they care for money, im not that delutional but you can actually see they care, most of the time bugs on a new patch get fixed like 3 hours after being found and they are always looking for the q.o.l updates asked by the community.
2025 is the year where Gooners and Non-gooners respect each other and live in harmony and realize both kinds of games can co-exist peacefully. It's time that we realize this was all Journos pitting us against each other this whole time!
Preach
Nah dog if your going over 2d girls seek therapy or you will die alone
yeah SB community should stop cyberbullying GFL for the god's sake
To be fair the Fate series started as a visual novel with H scenes AGAINST the directors wishes
against his wishes yeah sure..imma make 90 whole different timelines and stories for each character because its against my wish
tbf, fate series started out as an eroge around 2004. The franchise has been built for 11 years when FGO was released on 2015. Saying the gameplay sucks ass is just helping the argument that the franchise is so beloved that fans would still play and throw literal money at the company.
So yes, r34 helped just like it helped other games. But to argue the franchise entirely/mainly rely on r34 to keep the game alive is just absurd. The release of Global version of the game helped garner more people in the West too.
Also i think Tectone missed the point of, that if the anime wasn't popular there wouldn't be any r34 art in the first place, the reason there is so many r34 art of Fate is due to the popularity of the brand which the anime was a huge reason for that. Yes Fate started out as an eroge but it wasn't about the sex scenes that sold players on the visual novel, it was the story and characters.
The gameplay of Fate GO isn't really the main draw of the game (farming is 90% of the game), it's is the characters and the stories whether it be the MSQ or the event stories.
short answer: yes
long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeees
I feel like this topic comes up once a month bruh 💀 Long story short, its not necessary on a FUNDAMENTAL level, but it IS still another form of artistic expression, therefore it should be appreciated. It can also still be used as strong literary devices in stories like ME!ME!ME! and Chainsaw Man. This is why NSFW artists are still artists, because they’re still putting their creative expression to use. (I’d argue NSFW artists are the best artists because all they do is study anatomy)
Jane Doe really made the entire internet question whether or not fanservice is the spawn of Satan 🤣
Kill la kill too
Since ryuko deadass got a power boost by being comfortable dressing like that 😂
@ True. There’s actually a VERY good video called “Kill La Kill Desexualisation” that you should check out
Jane doe also proved that many MANY people get blinded by the obvious fan service and don't stop to think about why said character is the way they are.
@@BlazeSwigglePlayzMc True
@@bigred212 True! There’s a video by Shubsplaining about kill la kill. You should watch it!
Fan service is not needed to make good game but it does make game better
No.
Whats needed is
Good gameplay
Good ost
Good daily routine that isnt tedious or long
Good qol
Good long term content
I agree
sometimes is not about the Fan Service, is how much you wish they had it. that's one of the reasons Rule 34 is so huge, because people go there to get the fan service they need so much. Characters personalities and designs sometimes are made specificly to "edge" those feelings in players, so they fall in love, so they spend more, because "WAIFU NEEDS A HOME".
Btw, about Eula's banner, everyone who really wanted Eula had literally years to save, i was one of them, those calculations don't take free gems in mind so it's probably a big reason she's down there.
Bro's brain is so fried by porn he actually, non ironically believes that is what drives people to games.
Ikr
if genshin impact had the same ammount of ''fanservice'' as concord and dustborn, do you think the game would have been as big as it is?
"is fanservice really necessary?"
Overwatch: *thumbs up* *smiles* *wink*
Short answer, no... it only applies to degens and those who think we "need" it. It only works whenever needed, but not all of the time.
This comment makes me happy, I agree with you
It’s okay if it doesn’t deviate from the main concept, lately a lot of creators/game/ publishers or other media, embraced fanservice and abuse it, to the point that their main focus shifted. Sometimes can be a good thing and sometimes not.
If you make even 70% of the gacha characters look like upcoming Fable MC then most of those game will die almost immedeately.
30:01 Speak for yourself my guy. I found Touhou through the Bad Apple fan video, and got pulled in by the music and the fighting game (TH 12.3). Just about every game and series I like and consume today I didn't find first through lewd artwork. Does lewd artwork help the series stay relevant and build a bigger community? Absolutely, but saying 90% of people are introduced to anything through lewd artwork I think is a rather b(a)ld statement. But I also don't spend a lot of time on X (formerly known as Twitter) either, and I'm aware of how much lewd artwork gets posted on there. Fate could be an exception since it started off as a lewd visual novel, but I'd also argue the anime has introduced and grown the community more than fan work and the visual novel. The anime is also how I learned of Fate, but I don't really consume or care about it.
Now if you replace lewd artwork with memes, I'd believe that more, because people die if they are killed.
ofc because lewd stuff gets deleted all of the time, but non sexually related memes don't have to worry about that
@@xLuis89x While that's true, it's hardly the reason why lewd memes don't get more widespread. Non-lewd memes are more generally accepted. Not everyone is fine with lewd stuff, so memes that are just humorous go a long way.
16:00 eula doesnt sell because they had a year to save for her, and the rest already had her.
Fan-service is now an element that has become so familiar that it is not only found in gacha games but also in other games
For me, if it disappeared, it would be fine, just a bit boring because I've gotten used to it 😅
even snes era games had fanservice, it's just that because gaming is more popular now, everyone gets to know about it, even thought fanservice right now is not at all how big it was prior to the covid era, nowadays fanservice in most games is very tame no matter how much the normies want to make a big fuss about it.
Indie > Triple A
Agree
It definitely can make something easier to watch or play. Recently I’ve been playing Snowbreak Containment Zone. The game on its mechanics and gameplay alone isn’t that good, but the fan service is some of the best in gacha. I couldn’t believe China was allowing it…until they didn’t. It is so extreme that it’s been having numerous times of censorship from China. There is an easy fix to get rid of the censorship for people not in China, but it’s definitely another level. I genuinely enjoy the game and I am convinced it is the fanservice that is keeping me there. The most recent Marian skin actually got me to spend money which is unheard of for me. Katya is hot AF too. I don’t spend money on gacha games.
starts hearing Fate characters being listed, "Is this gonna turn into a pokemon rap???"
Eula still main ,problem is she does Physical and in an elemental reaction game she falls back but I still use her
indeed, they did Eula dirty by making 0 supports that matter for pysichal teams, or anything that helps Eula, but instead they make it worse and worse for her with each new expansion, oh hey her ult one shots a current wave of enemies (if crit) oh wait, it's just the first wave or the enemy can only take a % of damage before changing phase (like a certain automaton boss cube...)
Fanservice is even better when it’s for a character that is established. Doubly so if the original creator has officially made lewds/he ntai of their characters.
Funny how the ad for the reviewed video is fanservice
it aint about angela being hot, its about a faithful adaptation without the clear and obvious signs that someone self-righteously made changes to make certain points from their own personal beliefs. its nauseating. just make her(and james for that matter) look like the old model but updated, its not hard. the "spirit" of the game is lost when you change the look of things that made such a mark on people and when you are making a game to capitalize on nostalgia, thats a huge thing to miss out on.
I somewhat agree, it's like changing the billy guy (don't remember the name, just know that it's a fat guy with a pistol) in the game and make him a gigachad in the remake, it doesn't make sense and it alters the feel of the game, but because people love to defend the uglification of women in media and videogames then it's ok to them.
It's cultural too. To European audiences it is more important that characters are relatable. More likely to be annoyed if they know their buttons are getting pushed cheaply. I feel audiences are moving towards this. Compare a conversation between 2 homesick goblins on a roof in Baldur's Gate to a supposedly traumatized girl who lost her mum in Starfield. I cared about the goblins. And I wish the girl would just shut up. It's not supposed to be like this. It's bigger than just saying that is bad writing. It's about erring on the side of caution when it comes to the player's good taste or intelligence.
30:03 Well, the Fate series did start as a visual novel.
with H scenes even
The answer is a resounding yes
Completely agree, I started playing nikke when it launched because of the fan service, and I still play it today not because of the fan service I dont actually care about it anymore but because the story is so good that I find myself enjoying it each time a new chapter drops
Bro getting one guy'd into defending his p-rn addiction is wild.
having fanservice in games is not the same as porn, bruh...
Space marine 2 when lil pup
ngl I want a game where we play as Tau since they are the only major faction without downright racist and imperial tendencies and can settle things diplomatically.
Healthy game is a mix of all. Fan service, gameplay, story etc.
41:46 bro is so right.. but why does it hurt HAHAHAHAA
Short reply: YES.
Long reply: Yes, please. Let my Main Character date the Waifu I saved for pulling on her banner and if she can dress pretty, sexy or cute in alternate outfits, even better.
Dont show this video to 2hu, he will be fuming and start ranting again about how Fate GO is the best game ever and he is the god of gacha.
Lol, last comment, but I forgot to mention that it actually wasn't the first animation of that series, or rather, something in that world. Fans will know what I mean when I say that. The name escapes me at the moment, but it featured a boy who could see lines and cut through anything he chose. Those were the very first works of the author and the anime production that later led to "Fate/Stay Night," I believe.
Another npc who thinks Deku is a McDonald’s worker bro these people don’t read 😂
I am sad that this channel dont really provide good content.
Agree
Tsunul made it into the huge league, deserved
Tl;dr: Yes it is, and has been the key factor for certain games that saved them from dying sooner in the past.
18+ can't exists on the playstore/apple store, credit card companies problems, China problems... It goes on and on, it has nothing to do with h3ntai games being ''worse'', there is nothing inherently bad with eroticism + gaming, it's everything that surrounds it, which makes those games basically impossible to get big.
The only part he left out with Raiden Shogun performing so well though was she's a Mei clone, and Mei is one of Hoyo's most beloved characters across all of their games. Otherwise sure she's in the discussion for the most fanservice sold
Oh I know this guy... it's a...SunTzu... Sin null... Sigh nell?
Anyway Gameplay and Story (Interest engagement in the long term) > Fanservice (Interest in the short term)
I have a weird stance on this,so personally I dont find drawings, pixels, ir whatever sexually appealing its not real so why be a fucking tard about it. That being said have I as an artist both publicly and in my unknown private life own name job lol you'll never figure it out no one has is 2 decades, have I exploited mentally impaired gooners and coomers through art the vague answer is yes. I've draw varying levels of skimpy clothes, semi sexualized poses fir both male znd female art to cater to a contingent out there but justified in that indeed it made me fucking money even in my youth having sketch "personas" on places like deviant or similar to make money. I'd say these days im a bit more careful publicly but dies that mean if I thought it was necessary I'd put out a series of honkai star rail chicks in micro bikinis made sense id go nahhhh..not really id still do it lol
It's not weird, it's weird of them to be simping over pixels, but it's good you make money by them being like that, good for you because you are working hard and making a living.
just a fun fact, but yoko taro wanted to add a sex scene between 2b and 9s in the nier automata anime, just putting this out there
But even if you cant get the loot, you still get the lewd.
Worth.
The very idea that people delude themselves into thinking it doesnt sell more, is beyond cope. Yes "$@x Sells" has been said since 1870 because it works. This actually works on women as well as men, because women care about being beautiful and want to be attractive too. That being said it absolutely does NOT survive based on that alone, if we are talking about games for example it has to be fun to play too, or at the very least have other addictive qualities to be successful.
32:52 That is not fate the anime series
Not necessary but it sure as hell makes a good game better
I cannot think of a single game that wouldn't be improved by having at least one optional skimpy outfit for whatever female characters the game has except maybe concord
For some people it makes a game worse, they feel as though you are belittling their intelligence by trying to draw you in with such outfits.
This is fine, it's literally just target audience. Some people like it and some people don't and as a company you just pick whichever one you want to market to. It's not complicated.
@@EyesDontCryWhy you making it complicated tho? An outfit is optional, so if someone doesn't like it they can just not use it. Your point would work if the entire game is based around fanservice. But for just an outfit that is optional your point doesn't make sense.
@@xhydrox the existence of the outfit shows an intention on the creators part, it was put into the game for a reason and those reasons can come off as again belittling of the players intelligence, thinking they need to give you such things to keep your attention.
And I'm not exclusively talking about optional outfits, I'm broadly talking about Fanservice and why people don't like it. This person said fanservice DEFINATELY makes a good game better, I'm addressing why not because some people would see it as either bothersome if it is unoptional or cheap if it is an option at all.
Imagine for example I go to a bar, I enter the bar and there's a side room for prostitution (it's legal in this hypothetical). Now it's optional and I don't have to go in there, but maybe I'm a person who just doesn't like prostitution and knowing it's available at this bar I'm in just makes me uncomfortable and want to leave.
I'm not saying this person shouldn't just leave if they don't like it, but I am saying their reaction is a valid one and an example of how even having something be optional can turn you away from the whole thing because at the end of the day you know that optional thing is there, why it's there and what it means. For these people even optional Fanservice is still something that incluences how they feel about a game and why it wouldn't always be an improvement for everybody.
This isn't a novel concept at all, it's just marketing. If you're players want Fanservice and it makes the game better for them, then it's better. If the players you want to target don't like Fanservice, then it's not better. Very simple stuff.
@@EyesDontCry ''for some people'' people who tends to complain about fanservice are doing it nowadays on games that are already doing fanservice but they are clueless and complain when it's done every time
Hentai games do actually sell but most people who play Monster Girl Quest don't speak about it out loud. Also, not many people know about DLSite.
The answer is no, mild fansvice is fine, they are alot of people who arent into pixels, like alot of people, keeping balance would be the best thing to do so different types of sudiences are happy. And the game shouldnt be based around just sexual things.
Tectone watch Marian's uncensored Snowbreak interactive scene onstream (BibiSum's video shows the whole thing), Katya has one too but this one is more recent. The whole Chinese govt. forced censorship (which has hit the game twice now) forced all the interactions of the scene to be removed, and the girls to get covered with clouds lmfao, it's hilarious. Thankfully every platform has a braindead easy method to uncensor (Steam's takes like 30 seconds), so it's not a huge deal. But with 2.3 patch, there has been a huge CN community drama that had the entire patches main story removed and writer fired. "Master Love" and the Ghost Bar have been going insane
I think problem arises where they deviate from what they originally intended only for “goonservice” aether gazer is the biggest example of this
really? I saw fanservice in that game from the very beginning, why people gotta act clueless all the time? or do you think Poseidon and her skins, and characters like kunotachi haven't existed in the game since the beginning? or do you just casually ommit the parts that don't prove your ideas?
@ it was there in the beginning but not as rampant as it is now
The true answer is hell yes!!! Games with good gameplay and character models will pull you in but fanservice will keep you playing 😁
It's the complete opposite, do you think people are playing tf2 and csgo all this time later because of the sexy scotsman or CT?
Fanservice doesn't matter to longevity of a game, good characters and good gameplay is what keeps people around that's it.
@@EyesDontCry all the porn addicts are completely fried in the brain. you are 100% correct
@EyesDontCry yeah no shit it's the opposite, it's called a joke. Thanks for the unnecessary response, but i do prefer my games have some fanservice in it. It's why I'm so excited for Gfl2 😆
@@azureblaze3875 I don't know if you are aware but people unironically say yes in this comment section. You are joking, plenty of people are not and there's no indication which it is through simple text.
@EyesDontCry lol no problem, I read some other comments, but i figured ppl would see through an obvious joke like that.
Fan service is needed. If you want to get people in the door to keep people playing, you need good gameplay, and Contant.
it depends on how much,but yes it is near everytime better if game has fanservice.
Some games are build araound fanservice,and some game the fanservice is build araound the game(some decent here and there but thats it).
It's not deeded it's wanted.
LOL, he keeps mentioning the first one, but it's actually Fate/stay night. Oops, I've messed it up, but you get the gist. The anime was released before the other related media. I think that's the case, but don't hold me to it because I'm not entirely sure. But yeah, I won't lie. When I first searched for H. Saber, there wasn't much available. So, it seems it just started gaining popularity, and then people began creating more. To understand the origins and timeline, you should check when the art was created, as things are constantly being updated.
For asian gamers. Yes. Less so for western ones but still appreciated
This video didn't do men because there are a lot of gotcha men games too. Cyberpunk, Mortal Kombat Mobile, Mk 11, Diablo Immortal, Every Soul Caliber game ever made, Resident Evil 4, Final Fantasy 9, GTA 4, GTA 5, and the new remaster street fighter, these games are games girls play because of the male characters in them.
If a game is good it does not matter one way or the other, unless you are a culture warrior.
If a game is bad it will not help enough to matter. If a game is ok it can help, while also being fodder for the culture warriors.
Good game needs less fanservice, Bad game needs more fansevice, Best scenario Good game with fanservice.
fan service is great, as long as it isn't overdone. just like how "gay people being in games are forced representation" i feel like a lot of the fan service in anime and games are completely overdone lol
typical ''modern'' female POV
but I agree on the part about forced representation
AAA game companies now ask "Is it necessary to make agreeable female character models?". They are getting the answer.
30:00 Technically, both can be true. My first experience with Fate S/N was the visual novel that had porn in it
The answer is yes, please, and more.
bro cooked boiled water for 30mins to produce no food.
50/50
Not really other things can be replaced to enjoy games without it
But sure for those who want it
does he even know where fate comes from? like bro, "people in porn are naked". Crazy right? thats exacty the same take when someone says fate has fanservice
It's titillating and fun. It's not always about gooning. Don't let miserable people browbeat you into their company.
Is Fanservice Actually Necessary? yes for you.
LOL and sorry about the bad translation my thing Mike. isn't working. My mic isn't. working. There we go.
if fontain wasn't france, i would still play genshin...
I do agree that fanservice is need and it's good but it being the only thing can be to much
Yes.
I'm not playing these kinds of games if there isn't an abundance of attractive women to play as.
Bro fall down so bad😂
so I'm not going to watch the doorknob talk for 40 minutes but does the apple pause to cry about lolis?
Yes.. 10000% necessary
The tone only understands projection he has 0 other analysis
i Intially found Genshin because of Jean, but played it after watching porn of it. I played Honkai Starrail because of Silver Wolf's Outfit. I downloaded ZZZ because of Zhu's Cake trailer.
I would say the cross resemblance carried raiden and yae more than fan service
The silent hill 2 anti-woke grift is so cringe, its kind of sad to see teccy buying into it.
+++ i don’t know if im crazy or people just like to hate on the remake, but i actually find new Angela quite cute and better looking than the old one, they just took one bad screenshot of her and deemed her woke and ugly, when she actually just looks normal to me
@@user-name1719 yeah, i agree. Complaining about her feels kind of petty.
Question: Do we need Only Fan
i have no problem with fan service. but fan service wouldn't get me back into those games either. gameplay matters more...
It isn't necessary but what sane person could say no lol
DEI games are fanservice too, just different kind of fans
I mean, I like fan service. But at times I feel like there's waaay too much fan service. Like tone it down a notch.
It's not technically necessary but I'm 100% less likely to keep playing a gacha game if it doesn't have it
ill find the one piece and become gooner king
For a dude who hasn't gotten into fate yet, saying such crap is fucking hilarious. I like you Tecy, but honesty man you, who doesn't even know who Archer is, or even which one is which ever, besides the name of classification, and not the name the individual character shows the order of operations for Fate's claim to fame, from your perspective. For a long time fate fan, who has watched the anime first, I understood and understand very quickly, upon looking up simple info on the series that the series claim to fame is a combination of both Amazing story and hentai. The VN had sex scenes in it, and while it was there, a majority of the fanbase as well as the author understood that it's a significant take away and only added because as a VN in Japan, that was the only way the author could get it out on the market.
Anyone who's into fate knows it has good hentai and we don't care, do you know why? Because we can differentiate between a good fictional fucking story, and its porn which is ontop a Hill of Fans, upon a pile of Authors
Besides that, the homie in the video didn't even mention Garcher fanservice(Muramasa) but tecy don't like dude's who are cool. Gramps, Edmond, Shizuki, and ect are prime examples of authentic fanservice.
I dunno about fan service in horror games though.
If you like furina then you will like mavuika as well
No, no it isn’t. Fan service tends to be nothing but an obstruction or destruction preventing good storytelling. Either that, or it’s just a nothing burger. So many games would be substantially better without it
So what games do you think would be better without it? Because imo most or at least more than half the time, fan service doesn't prevent good storytelling. Like a lot of times it's just there and it doesn't alter the story too much.
The only really fan service im into would be anything cool. I like 40k because cool. Helldivers has a lot of big booms which is cool. I like Dragonball because big buff men beating each other is ho- I mean cool.
22:08 ERM Actually her name is pronounced Joan "Jeanne" not Jean. It's a French name. 🤓
Needed, no
Appreciated, yes
While I respect the idea of fan service and understand why companies do it, I still find it really weird when a game bases their whole game off of it. However, it is absolutely not needed for a game to be successful, look at Dokkan and Summoners War, games that have been around for a decade and have zero sexual fan service.
Latte Cookie and White Lily Cookie beach skins tho?! 🤔👀
(I'm playing by the way 😅)
If you want to save DMC Peak of combat do a collab with Lost in Deepspace (to increase "motivation").
POC already dead bro.
@@Celica_42 Too bad then.