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You can always tell when people who claim that they know Christ aren't filled with the Holy Ghost that never fast, pray meditate, follow and obey scriptures nor pattern their lifestyles after Jesus to have power over the devil and his attacks. They will always end up on forums and platforms like this talking about n absolutely nothing. Jesus said it best "you will know a tree by the fruit it bears" And the apostle Paul said "that God is not author of confusion but of peace (not mental health) in all th saints throughout the church.
Is Christianity bad for our mental health? Yes, it can be bad for our mental health because Christianity as a religion is not of the Bible and that could lead a person with misdirected faith into a state of dis-ease. But... 2 Timothy 1:7 NKJV 7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Shalom
@@FollowDontCelebrate The topic alone is nonsensical. God is a spirit and 👉true holy ghost filled believers👈 need not pose such a ridiculous hypothesis and simply worship Christ in spirit and in truth.
As a student pursuing my masters in licensed and family therapy, this was absolutely awesome. Listening to you all was a breath of fresh air. I am thankful for this calling as a Christian will become a LMFT. There is such a need in various communities, especially the church. What has been eye opening is the ongoing topic of integrating Christian counseling and psychology. I think, from a Christian and mental health student, psychology is spiritual as God created us.
The celebration of busyness in American culture is truly a poison to our mental health. The sabbath is even more important for us to practice in American culture 🙌🏾
I must honestly say the title of this conversation shocked me. But when I saw Dr. Otis Moss was on the panel, I knew the conversation would be outstanding, and it was. Thank you for this.
When my mother died i took a break from God and I didn't want to hear anything about God or Jesus loves you and I questioned God and moved away from the city and familiar people I went to the farm where I had spent special memories with my mother and after about 6 months I began talking to God and attended church something which I hadn't done in about 8 years
@@ridsam7603leaving the church or questioning God didn't me turning from God it just meant me having time alone from God wrestling with my own thoughts looking at life from a rational non spiritual view and my faith In God didn't waver
I am grateful for this conversation and I am praying about coming to the conference in rebuilding faith. I have to say this: I have watched halfway, and I am a bit frustrated with Dr. Moss’ answer to one question. I fully recognize his credentials and acumen in his field, but the young man is asking WHY God allows suffering to continue sometime back to back and it feels as if he is offering “deep” answers that aren’t answering the question. I believe God allows it to GROW us and increase our TRUST in Him. Romans 8:28. Sorry if that seems too simplified to some. I plan to continue to watch. Blessings to ALL! 🙏🏽☝🏽✝️
@@whatshatnin4572 The slave master did not define God to black people. African people brought the Scriptures to the world. #knowthehistory, #therearenowhitepeopleinbiblicaltimes
@@rogergambrell7492 That is not true. Very misleading. We not even talking about all African people. We are talking about West Africans who were brought to America as slaves. We didnt know about bible god until the slave master gave us bible god. that's a fact. If we truly knew Jesus we would have never accepted white Jesus. You cant find any West African bibles or West African Christian Churches that predate our enslavement. If we knew about bible god the slave master would have never created the Dum Diversas making it legal to convert and to enslave us. We all free to believe what we choose but we should be mature enough to understand the facts. And for the record you dont habe any biblical literature from any African Nation that predates the Latin Vulgate or the Greek Septuagint. Latim and Greek are not African languages.
I think we’re deceived when we we equate true biblical Christianity with… Church folk- Big hats and bad doctrine- Catholicism- 7th day Mormon Jehovah Witnesses Religion. Christ was not religious. Religion is what you do when you’d rather listen to man than to God. Jesus yelled at no one in the Bible. Except for religious leaders. They thought they were serving God by their made up new rules that changed like the weather. Do not confuse Christianity with the behavior of “religious folks.” True Christian’s live by faith! That means we believe that which is proclaimed in the only official authorized source of information about Christ that there is. The Bible.
This is a great discussion. But my conclusion is this: Your relationship with the Lord affects your response to adversity and suffering. I am for getting people the proper meds and therapy, if needed. But, our relationship with the Lord makes the biggest difference.
I went to a non denominational church that became bad for my mental health. As i have health issue's i shouldn't go to a certain church and have a few people play mind game's with me for whatever reasons. Having person grilling me for very personal info almost every sunday or having space violated.😢😥
At 24:00 Dr. Moss mentions the power of silence, yet in a black church there is never silence!!!! There is always "noise" happening--screaming and yelling and showing off how loud you can pray or music. Contrast in a Roman Catholic or Anglican service where there are moment of sacred silence.
@@lhu6971 Really feeling the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the color of the skin of the people in the church. LOL. I live in a third world country, and I REALLY FEEL THE HOLY SPIRIT in the churches here just like I did there in America. The holy Spirit is showing up cased on being Black or Cambodian. This kind of WARPED thinking is half the problem.
@@michaelwhatley7907 Well, i feel like people of color, minorities are much more emotional when praising God. The Holy Spirit is open and available to all race's if they open their heart's. I'm referring to churches that have lot of bench warmers. That don't raise their hands, worship,praise with feeling of Holy Spirit. Warped thinking is jumping to conclusions.Halleluyah. amen. I am African American as well. LOL😂
Catholic mass is too quiet. Our faith is also a singing, dancing and musical faith. We teach and instruct and discipline and there is also joy and rejoicing.
One of the he failures of the church is the expectation of not suffering anything despite the Bible, from cover to cover, relating accounts of people, GOD's people, suffering, including Christ. Black people are especially entitled. Nothing bad is supposed to happen other than prosperity.
Matthew 11:28 " Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I'll give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am Meek and lowly in heart: and ye Shall find Rest for your Souls.' Psalms 94:19 "In the multitude of my thoughts, your delights comfort my soul". Jeremiah 8:22, “Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why then is there no healing for the wound of my people? And because of their unbelief, he couldn't do any mighty miracles among them”, Luke was a great evangelist and was also a physician. Clearly God desires for us to seek healing through him first, but will also use science / medicine to address our physical and mental ailments. Christ-centered Christianity is not harmful to mental health; On the other hand dogmatic legalistic Christianity is detrimental to mental health.
Christ is the Sabbath. I agree, we are busy. But, we also overspend, overconsume, and live rebellious against God's word. Much of the suffering is self-inflicted. We need to properly identify the origin of our suffering. A lot of this suffering comes from our bad choices, and some suffering comes from places outside of us. There are things that occur that we do not control. Why are we talking to pastors on this panel? Much of the counseling that has taken place in the church community has been done through pastoral ministry. Why are we not noting Scripture passages that identify how to maintain healthy mental health?
@@daydreamerz The Sabbath means "rest." The ultimate rest is not physical, but spiritual. Rest for the soul, see Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:1. Now to answering your question, even if you observe the Sabbath, that does not make you righteous. Unless you possess the righteouness of God, you can not rest. So the Sabbath has no meaning or basis outside of trusting in Christ for the forgiveness of your sins (Romans 3:20 - 31).
Let me say Christianity can be both good and bad for mental health it can be negative when one is hyper spiritual or becomes a spiritual maniac who only sees demons or evil spirits but it's positives are that it can contribute to one being morally sound I mean also psychologically. I have a lot to say on this since a did a module but let me end here
Def need a balance, but I say this. U pro thought Apostle Paul or 12 Apostles were hyper too. Those 12 men turn world upside down. Unfortunately most of us Christians sometimes get a Lil too lazy, or some say zeal gone, lukewarm. We are in a lukewarm age too. Remember Jesus said rather u be hot or cold.
To the title it absolutely can if you go about the faith walk in the wrong way. My life is proof. Todays Christianity may be more crucial to people's mental health more than the past
This is why Paul tells us to study sound doctrine, most teachers and professors don’t believe in God or the doctrine of God. Study to show thyself approved unto God. John Gray said he finds theology of God asinine, how dare we try to put God in a box. I would say that statement makes him unqualified to preach/teach God has revealed certain things to us but the secret things belong to Him. God’s word is absolute which in turn heals our minds if we’re in Christ renew your mind in God’s word daily.
Matthew 11:28 Jesus said " Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I'll give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am Meek and lowly in heart: and ye Shall find Rest for your Souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. This is a conditional statement you must come unto him to find complete rest.
To tell ppl Jesus will fix it..after while.. Gods will was done.. answer..AFFIRMATIVE...Jesus NEVER said he came to be our personal problem solver....one of my favorites.. christians blessing the food..take out all the impurities lord..why would God do this..I would let you keep getting sick..until you come to your senses and eat what I COMMANDED.
When you have heart problems you go see a heart specialist, iron challenges you go see a hematologist, eye challenges you go see a ophthalmologist, overall if something is going wrong with your organs, blood, etc you must see a M.D who specializes in that area to survive. Now when it comes to Mental Health many are resistant not realizing that God created these specialties to take care of the human body! He also created the field Mental health to help take care of the mind! The mind is where the battle field lies! So if you pay someone to take care of the parts of your body that needs healing but the deny your mind the healing it needs you eventually deny the body what it needs. Your past experiences show up in your daily walk regardless of how you try to mask it! A counselor helps you to face you and see you! You can’t leave the past behind if you do not have the tools to let go of the past counseling is where it will happen. God is in the counseling experience! He knows what you need but do you accept or recognize that you need help! If you trust God to heal you through the heart specialist then surely you can trust him to do all things with clinical help as well!❤
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. NKJV
I believe when man can move out of there head, theology and stop being religious and stop with the Traditions. Stop getting distracted by debating, reasoning and having to discuss you will be okay...its simple, in which we make it difficult. We act as if God's Kingdom is a Democracy. That needs our opinions, our views...For many of us, we cannot even grasp serving a King, because we have live as a Democracy. To simply lay our personal aside to follow Jesús example we are not willing to do. Out of all the religions in the world, I believe that Christianity is the only one that I see always having to make it extra. Just obey, what he says to Do..DO...what he says not to Do..DON'T DO...serve the King of Kings and Lord of Lords...put down your agenda. I have listen to 3 teachers which started during the pandemic, who have taught me more than the Churches I grew up ever did and the ones I attended while being an adult. I Thank God for their ministries and teachings @Revelation River Ministries, @ Minister Kevin LA Ewing, @Tomi Arayomi and @Stephen Darby Ministries. (Maybe each of you need to sit back and take a listen and open your hearts and render to God what belongs to God and render to Ceasar what belongs to him...sometimes the more educated we are, the more foolish we sometimes tend to become of our intellect.
Yes Christianity does harm our mental health. Because of the indoctrination of bible and toxic sermons. Not our view of Christianity but the experience the religion has put us thru.. church and bible ain't a ecstasy pill. The relevance and validity of Christianity does not depend on your current mood.. I would love to see people who disagree with the speakers on panel.
And where are we suppose to receive the funds for all of these services? To whom are you people speaking to? Remember we don't all have unlimited funds.
I feel like the constant ups and downs of being a believer are damaging to mental health. His drawing near one moment and withdrawl the next is not healthy. Constantly being pushed to your limits by God's "tests" have affected me negatively and has brought me to places I never thought I'd be with God, even to a point of just about giving up on God entirely.
Its all mythology anyway. Once you realize the rules of the game, you can see right through the game. 1st rule is to never subscribe to a god that has been introduced to you by man
Too bad we have to have such deep discussions about issues I would never raise and about questions I would never ask ... the problem is that we are not discipled and not indoctrinated in the faith and some of us lack true faith ...
People are tired of believing. People would rather know than to believe. Folks are replacing faith for facts so they can stop believing and start knowing. In reality, the whole concept of subscribing to a deity that relies on the words of man has failed us all. Deities that require faith in the words of man has not been good
@@whatshatnin4572this is one of the most woke ages that has ever existed. However, the belief that knowing is enough is deceptive. If one is honest about the current state of things, we’re still failing miserably, although knowledge isn’t lacking. When we don’t truly have a heart or desire to take advantage of all the data presently known…what good or value will it ever offer??? Pro 17:16 Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it? Life isn’t as complicated as we make it, but the simple methods that often work tend to lack the pizzazz most of us crave. Just my 2cents…✌🏾
@@1CSPerry Agreed. We extra woke but still suffering. Knowing is not enough.. But knowing is more than believing and facts are more valuable than faith. Life is not that complicated.. Agreed. Sleep laughter sunlight and proper diet are basic things and are important to mental health. Simple
@@whatshatnin4572 to each their own. I do agree with the simplicity of life you described though. Those basics do more for us than most believe and it’s backed up by science. However, without faith there are many facts that are now normalized that wouldn’t even exist. Also, there are countless facts that don’t even make sense, without faith being welcomed into the conversation. Some things are unavoidable on both sides of most arguments. Nonetheless, faith is the ultimate game changer in my opinion. Misunderstood or not, that’s my 2cents…✌🏾
@@1CSPerry There is no science to support a talking donkey or a flying reindeer. Both mythological scenarios are accepted through faith because they have no facts to support them. That is dangerous. There are no facts to support the existence of Noah so he isa accepted upon faith. Believing in the mythology has been very dangerous to black people and that's a fact
When you have EXTREME faith who benefits the most...POLITICS evil goes around with being countered by faith. Example why would a POLITICIAN authorize a Holy Book KING JAMES authorizing GODS word!!!😢
One church trying to out do another church..who has the best preacher..choir..youth ministry..praise and worship service ..who on TV..have the most clicks...round and around.
NOW they're telling truth about tithing? Yet still have a $1000 line for offering...ALL the charactiics..what is the proof they ever deliver anything..when you can't no longer be a work horse..or make those large donations..you will be forgotten.
Love Jude 3 but you should have had theologians to balance the mental health professionals. None of them had any serious knowledge of the Bible or even a current understanding of disease etiologies. Neurology without psychiatry itself is a problem. Counselors aren’t trained deeply in pathologies. Very disappointing but Jude 3 is still the best forum anywhere for black theological thought. Overall: excellent still.
The fact that society is distancing itself away from God is the absolute problem. When you have Good and Faith in your life, you will overcome everything.
@@Iceman-oc4ep No but my grand father's father was a slave and he was a Christian. I think we know that many Black Christians died as faithful slaves to Christian slave masters. The millions of Christian slaves who died still enslaved did not overcome everything.
@@Iceman-oc4ep it depends on what we want. If we want to believe then we should keep applying faith. If we want to know then we need to replace faith for facts. Just depends on what the goals are
This just proves that it can hurt us mentally. You use a scripture like this to explain mental suffering? What about ppl who are mentally suffering due to the trauma of past abuse from others? For example: My ex husband sexually, mentally, physically, and emotionally abused me…I go days without sleeping (after 3 years of being separated from him)…there will be no rest for the wicked, often comes to mind. He’s the abuser, but he sleeps peacefully! What about me? Is it my fault? Am I the wicked one?
@@angiepeace4830 I’m very sorry you had to experience that. I challenge you to seek God through His word daily and ask Him to deliver you from mental stress and to use you for His glory through that terrible experience I bet you’ll help someone else as well. If you’re not saved I encourage you to ask Christ to save you.
I'd like to inform you my brother your still angry. I agree with your points but they do come off alittle accusatory. We must consider the ignorance of a spiritual leader in lieu of a lack of empathy. Although some are wolves in sheep's clothing when you have a platform like the internet we need to be mindful to not make statements that demonize.
As a BLACK man, this commenter thinks that the appropriate answer to this question must be an astounding “YES”. Although Christian apologists resort to different sorts of revisionist theories to justify Christianity, the history of the religion should leave no doubt that it has never served the interests of BLACK People and could only be regarded as being utterly bad for members of the BLACK Race. Most Black theologians, intellectuals, and professionals in all of the many fields speak with great conviction about Christianity in the manner in which someone who was taught by someone who was taught by someone else who believes in the doctrines of the faith. And this should come as no surprise because after spending some seven years in seminary to obtain a PhD in Theology, the need to ensure that one has a dependable means of providing for one’s family takes precedence over everything else. Moreover, since most black people in the West and in many parts of Mother AFRICA have been brought up as Christians, divorcing oneself from that kind of cultivated mindset becomes extremely difficult and even impossible. In her book POST TRAUMATIC SLAVE SYNDROME, Dr. Joy DeGruy argues that the psychological impact of enslavement has been just as severe on the minds of succeeding generations as it was in the case of our ancestors. This point has been convincingly corroborated by a study conducted by Duke University that concluded that while the process of domesticating puppies of dogs has become routine, it is almost impossible to domesticate the puppies of wolves. In other words, Christianity, Islam, and other foreign belief systems have been so effective in disfiguring the minds of the AFRICAN People that most of us (Black people) cannot see the folly that we ourselves commit. Suffice it to say that the reputed Jewish rabbi called Jesus had absolutely nothing to do with the founding and establishment of Christianity. To the contrary, the reputed Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, led a failed revolt against the Roman authorities on behalf of Jews, and died as a Jew. When the young rabbi leader was executed by the Roman authorities on a charge of sedition against the state, another young Jew called Saul of Tarsus (aka The Apostle Paul) grabbed the opportunity to curry favor with the Roman authorities and became one of the most nefarious operatives in the effort to suppress any and every form of Jewish rebellion (Acts 7: 54-60 KJV). Being the megalomaniac that Paul was, he eventually lost favor with the Roman authorities and subsequently formed his own movement through which he sought to appease his former bosses and save his own skin (Romans 13: 1- 7). Paul called his new movement Christianity and he distinguished its purpose by ceasing and desisting from any recognition of the reputed Jesus as a Jewish liberator or messiah. Instead, Paul was intent on portraying Jesus as the Christ or Saviour of non-Jews or Gentiles. Although Paul had never been in the company of Jesus and although his so-called epiphany on the road to Damascus has never been independently corroborated, he anointed himself an apostle of Jesus and he misappropriated Jesus’s mission by preaching a message of redemption by faith rather than on good works, as Jesus had taught (Ephesians 2: 8- 9; Luke 21: 1 -4; Luke 10: 27-37). Paul was so successful in brainwashing his followers that by 313 AD, the Roman Emperor Constantine I adopted Christianity (hook, line, and sinker) as a mechanism for maintaining law and order within the Roman Empire (the Edict of Milan). Thus emerged the new institution called the Roman Catholic Church with the idolatrous CHRISTOLOGICAL DOCTRINE as the main tenet of the faith. It was through the atrocities committed in the name of the Roman Catholic Church that the Roman Empire was able to extend its hegemony throughout the four corners of the earth. By the middle of the 16 century AD, the English King James I (of Guy Fawkes’ renown) boldly took a page from Constantine's book, and with the aid of his best friend William Shakespeare, wrote his own version of the Bible (KJV) as a means of justifying the Doctrine of the Divine Rights of Kings…and as they say, the rest is history. It is informative to note that the Islamic belief system had a similar imperialistic modus operandi and spread in a similar manner across the continent of Africa and elsewhere. Meanwhile, the days of the descendants of Paul, Constantine, King James I, and other European Christian imperialists and colonialists using chains and shackles to enslave and disfigure the minds of Black People might no longer be the order of the day. But just as advertisers have discovered that the IMAGE of a dog sitting behind the steering wheel of a car can go a long way in persuading consumers to purchase a particular product, the powers-that-be in Christianity are fully cognizant of the debilitating effect that images of a white Jesus, the representation of innocence and purity through white objects, and the representation of sin and evil through black objects can and does have on BLACK minds. Such, therefore, are this commenter’s grounds for insisting that Christianity could never be good for the mental health of Black people. And since a wrecking ball could never be truly efficacious in doing the work of a hammer, it is incumbent on every BLACK man, woman, and child to emancipate themselves from Christianized mental “slavery” and to embrace other home-grown alternatives for satisfying their spiritual concerns and mental health. It is in this context, therefore, that this commenter is relentless in advocating that BLACK People are again at a juncture in history that demands the invention of a new vehicle for articulating our COLLECTIVE experience, hopes, and aspirations as children of GOD (THE COSMIC ONE) and that the fledgling Philosophy of RASTAFARI is long overdue for serious reconsideration. As an antidote to the venom of the Christian, Islamic, and other foreign belief systems, the Philosophy of RASTAFARI is a DIALECTICAL SYNTHESIS of the lives and teachings of His Imperial Majesty (HIM) Emperor Haile Selassie I, The Right Hon. Marcus Mosiah Garvey, President Kwame Nkrumah, Brother Malcolm X, and so many other enlightened BLACK personalities who have shown a genuine concern for the global plight of our RACE. And because the Rastafarian Movement is barely 90 years young, there is every hope that RASTAFARI will continue to grow from strength to strength and manifest as the greatest INVENTION of BLACK people in the current epoch.
The title itself is wild and a put off. God cares for us in spirit , body and soul. Includingthe material things we need. Isaiah 42:3 NKJV - A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. Matthew 12:20 NKJV - A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench, Till He sends forth justice to victory; Emotional pain etc there is nothing we lack in Christ. The carnal nature of man tries to fix himself to no avail then hides and lives with it while we just have to give it to Christ. God Bless you ❤❤❤❤
THE TRUTH OF THE TITLE IS WHAT MADE ME CLICK. NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TITLE FOR IT SPEAKS A TRUTH I HAVE KNOWN FOR 25 YEARS. I never seen such mental cases as I have seen 40 years being in church. And the one's with the most issues I have said for 20 years can quote 39 scriptures at once and 90 SECONDS FROM THE CRAZY HOUSE.
We, humans and sinners, need to ask what is it all about. The answer is in the bible alone. So we have to cry out to God in asking for answers as we read the book. So no it is not bad for mental health, unless one is the wrong gospel.
It's terrible for mental health, because it wasn't written by God. It hasn't gotten us black people nowhere, and we've been using it for over 2000 years. If something is effective, you could see it as well as feel it. I certainly don't feel it, and those of us who is out here in it every day, can't see 👀 it. Christianity is just providing false hope. Looks like we're going to wait until a whole race is decimated before we get it figured out. Trying to make the Bible and Christianity be the answer when it's clearly not. It mostly benefits the preacher. Take a good look at our homes, streets, schools, communities, families. Everything is falling apart. We've become slaves again. Where is the Mental health counselors/experts?
@@jimmiemorrison6782 1. You give the man to much credit, to think that the bible came from him and not God. No man in the flesh in the past can predict something back then, to happen in our time, unless he be God in the flesh. No you and many have erred in the scriptures. 2. Many people make bad decisions in their life, which may hinder their progress to get to places. While others, even immigrants may make better choices. Now I know the power structures may seem or be unfair at times. But if we trust God, work honestly, and be content, we will find ourselves in better situations, and fortunate then many others. Like the man with that sign begging for money. Or those people strung out on opioids.
@@Fernando-qs7bl trusting God don't have nothing to do with the Bible. We were trusting God when we were slaves. It's not what set us free. Trusting God is a inside job. Just take a look at all of the black churches in the world (Nigeria, Ghana, USA) So you think we're suffering so much because of disobedience? Hmmm 🤔 I say we throw that Bible away, and just go within ourselves, because we all know right from wrong.
@@Fernando-qs7blMeanwhile back in reality the bible was given to us by Europeans. There is no evidence to support anything you talking about but we do have evidence showing how white folks introduced us to biblical mythology
@@jimmiemorrison6782 Sin is a concept that relies on a talking snake and a woman being created from a rib of a sleeping man. So the first sign of mental illness would be an adult who believes that this story actually happened.
Yes, Prevalent Christianity is false. The Christians, Pastors and all. But there is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit. Not in these Christians, no not at all. But it's there and everywhere. If you have that it has the ability to transfer you to Christ...real body of Christ not the Church😢
Its sad that this is a talking point. Yet im hearing pray doesn't work or chruch. Nor God. So in other words Your saying God doesn't exist. Why would a believer mental state be infected. So sad
Absolutely no understanding of the gospel message at all these people are trying to use psychology to understand the Bible and that’s where the go wrong they really believe that book is or should be about them and it’s not
#1 l believe in God, Jesus and God's spirit 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾l also believe Jesus was black like the Bible says 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾and l also believe that whitey tampered with the Bible and God will deal with them,l believe but l pray and am very careful what to believe ❤️🖤💚😘❤️🖤💚
Its 2023 and you still trying to believe everything.. When do you graduate from trying to believe to trying to know.. Belief requires faith.. Knowing requires facts.
Let me respond to that potato 🥔 salad analogy if the potato salad with the raisins is so mass produced (10× as much as McDonald's and Wal-Mart worldwide combined) it is going to overshadow and dawrf Aunt Mae salad in preception,popularity and acceptance even if aunties salad is better for you,my BIGGEST problem with Black christianity is your not addressing their white christian brothers & sisters history,contradictions and continued okie doke,I'm like come on with this weak stuff it isn't being Christian.🎉
ONY Christianity is GOOD for our mental health. JESUS✝️IS THE ONLY HOPE OF THE WORLD, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN. I LOVE YOU JESUS✝️ "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE." JOHN 3:16 (KJV) REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. If you don't REPENT, you will perish in hell/LAKE OF FIRE🔥 JESUS✝️is NOT willing that you perish, but that you come to REPENTANCE. Call upon JESUS, and He will SAVE you: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 (KJV) Lord Jesus✝️ have mercy you🙏
The guy who claims that pastors need to call in therapists is angry and needs to check himself. Pastors counsel the church every Sunday and Wednesday from the Scriptures. Yes, we need therapists, but pastors have been treating God's people with the Scriptures for all time. Yes, many preachers mishandle the Scriptures, but that's a separate issue. God's counsels and the Holy Spirit is the greatest therapists. That does mean meds are not necessary in certain cases, but please stop downing the Bible and the church. Stop over generalizing the entire body of Christ mistreating mental health issues.
May I offer this? Unless your pastor/leader is trained in professional counseling, and they are purposefully integrating that into what they do from the pulpit, they are not counseling. Of course, the work they do teaching the Word is critical, and their work in actively caring for souls cannot be undervalued. But, professional counseling is a different thing entirely. We desperately need to call in the therapists; there is work to be done, starting with our leaders.
@@BeesOnMars l definitely agree with you on that. For myself, it's kind of like going to a 12 step meeting. It can be very beneficial for the recovering addict, much like sharing a testimony at church. But it's definitely not therapy, even if most people have multiple years of sobriety, it's still not therapy. Some of us needs to see/hear from a therapist. Thanks 👍 for your input.
Christianity A Funny Word If You Ask Me. Cause Within It You Have "Start Tha Harsh" As Well As "Instant Insanity" You Now See Makes Sense To Me Cause In A Nutshell That Indeed Sums Up Most All Of Christianity. Don't Believe Me? Go Talk To A Local Christian And You Too Shall See. Prolonged Exposure Will Indeed Lead To A Life Full Of Insanity. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 And I Only Speak From My Experience With Growing Up In A Rather Problematic And Dogmatic Christian Household.
Yes. You’re born evil, but will be judged on how good you are. By a God that allows evil, though he is powerful enough to stop it. Allowed chattel slavery and the Holocaust and child trafficking. We are just animals and religion is useful in that it keeps us busy and gives us a purpose or else we’d be depressed and horribly nihilistic.
This is a crazy question! Do you want to be Holy? Do you want to be Unholy? Make a choice! Do you want to serve God? Do you want to serve Satan? Make a choice!
Unconfessed, unrepentant sin also caused mental illness. James 1:13-15. Suffering also comes with rebellion against GOD and HIS WORD. Suffering can and will come at the hands of others. GOD allows suffering. Many of the affliction of the righteous but also of the unrighteous.
Easy for you to say. But when you get your god from a Christian slave master, it leads to a heap of mental illness that will be passed down from generation to generation
God is not a Christian Yeshua is not a Christian The Holy Spirit is not a Christian, Yeshua God has nothing to do with Christianity neither does he know what it is
JESUS✝️REIGNS FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!!CELEBRATE AND GLORIFY JESUS EVERY DAY AND FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!! AMEN. REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. Christianity is ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL for our mental health BEYOND DESCRIPTION!!!!!!! ONY CHRISTIANITY IS GOOD FOR OUR MENTAL HEALTH. WHO IS GOOD FOR US MORE THAN GOD? OF COURSE NO ONE, EVER!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU O LORD MY GOD, AND MY SAVIOR, AND MY COMFORTER, AND MY ONE AND TRUE LOVE, AND MY HUSBAND, AND ONE AND ONLY DARLING, AND MY ONE AND ONLY SWEETHEART, AND MY BEST FRIEND, AND MY BROTHER, AND MY KING, AND MY MASTER, AND MY JOY, AND MY PEACE, AND MY HOPE, AND MY TRUST, AND ROCK, AND MY STRENGTH, AND MY POWER, AND MY EVERYTHING, JESUS CHRIST✝️ I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU FIRST LOVED ME. 1 JOHN 4:19. THANK YOU, JESUS, FOR LOVING ME, THANK YOU, JESUS, FOR SAVING ME, HAIL JESUS!!!!!!! CELEBRATE AND GLORIFY JESUS EVERY DAY AND FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN.
There is nothing mental about having a true relationship with the CREATOR, if you're having mental problems, yo don't know him, depression and mental illness comes from Satan, because Satan is the author of confusion.
You can always tell when people who claim that they know Christ aren't filled with the Holy Ghost that never fast, pray meditate, follow and obey scriptures nor pattern their lifestyles after Jesus to have power over the devil and his attacks. They will always end up on forums and platforms like this talking about absolutely nothing. Jesus said it best "you will know a tree by the fruit it bears" And the apostle Paul said "that God is not the author of confusion but of peace (not mental health) in all the saints throughout the church".
Dr. Moss shows up in every space he occupies. The #potatosalad analogy was so on point, because who in the hell would put arugula in potato salad? So, yes, when you mess up the recipe (authenticity) don’t NO BODY WANT IT! 🫰🏾🫰🏾🫰🏾 Truly all the panelists gave great insights. Awesome discussion. Keep going Jude 3 Projects
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You can always tell when people who claim that they know Christ aren't filled with the Holy Ghost that never fast, pray meditate, follow and obey scriptures nor pattern their lifestyles after Jesus to have power over the devil and his attacks. They will always end up on forums and platforms like this talking about n absolutely nothing. Jesus said it best "you will know a tree by the fruit it bears" And the apostle Paul said "that God is not author of confusion but of peace (not mental health) in all th saints throughout the church.
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Is Christianity bad for our mental health? Yes, it can be bad for our mental health because Christianity as a religion is not of the Bible and that could lead a person with misdirected faith into a state of dis-ease.
But...
2 Timothy 1:7 NKJV
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Shalom
@@FollowDontCelebrate The topic alone is nonsensical. God is a spirit and 👉true holy ghost filled believers👈 need not pose such a ridiculous hypothesis and simply worship Christ in spirit and in truth.
As a student pursuing my masters in licensed and family therapy, this was absolutely awesome. Listening to you all was a breath of fresh air. I am thankful for this calling as a Christian will become a LMFT. There is such a need in various communities, especially the church. What has been eye opening is the ongoing topic of integrating Christian counseling and psychology. I think, from a Christian and mental health student, psychology is spiritual as God created us.
Much Respect for the Jude 3 Project for at least having some weighted discussions
The project is of the devil
@@fancyphat100 Why do you say that?
@@whatshatnin4572 You may find the answer to your question at E-Bible fellowship open forum program. But I can tell you that the churches are done.
faith & therapy, not faith or therapy. i love that & it brought me so much comfort! i always separated the two like i was cheating on God lol
I learned from King David’s example of his complete honesty with God in the Psalms. I tell Him exactly how I feel.
Me too. God already know what is in our hearts and minds. Might as well tell Him.
The celebration of busyness in American culture is truly a poison to our mental health. The sabbath is even more important for us to practice in American culture 🙌🏾
Hundred
Jesus was fake but only people who can’t connect dots don’t know.
What is following the sabbath going to accomplish?
Lean into the grief... Take a moment...Be still! Amen
YES
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Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
This was such a beautiful and well needed discussion. It's refreshing to be real with God.
I must honestly say the title of this conversation shocked me. But when I saw Dr. Otis Moss was on the panel, I knew the conversation would be outstanding, and it was. Thank you for this.
When my mother died i took a break from God and I didn't want to hear anything about God or Jesus loves you and I questioned God and moved away from the city and familiar people I went to the farm where I had spent special memories with my mother and after about 6 months I began talking to God and attended church something which I hadn't done in about 8 years
Bless you 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️🖤💚🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🥰
Luv and blessings to u. And a hug.💝🐻🌄
What caused you to come back to God ?
@@ridsam7603leaving the church or questioning God didn't me turning from God it just meant me having time alone from God wrestling with my own thoughts looking at life from a rational non spiritual view and my faith In God didn't waver
I love this talk, this topic & this panel! 10/10! I picked up the reminder of taking the Sabbath, a practice I put down.
I am grateful for this conversation and I am praying about coming to the conference in rebuilding faith. I have to say this: I have watched halfway, and I am a bit frustrated with Dr. Moss’ answer to one question. I fully recognize his credentials and acumen in his field, but the young man is asking WHY God allows suffering to continue sometime back to back and it feels as if he is offering “deep” answers that aren’t answering the question. I believe God allows it to GROW us and increase our TRUST in Him. Romans 8:28. Sorry if that seems too simplified to some. I plan to continue to watch. Blessings to ALL! 🙏🏽☝🏽✝️
It's mostly our short comings putting us in trouble God's always righteous ❤🎉
This is such a blessing to me!!!
I think that believing that a God is all powerful, but not powerful enough to help immediately when you ask is mental illness!
This video has way too few views…such an important topic
Our understanding of God does affect mental health.
This is why it's so dangerous to allow your former slave master define your concept of god
@@whatshatnin4572 The slave master did not define God to black people. African people brought the Scriptures to the world. #knowthehistory, #therearenowhitepeopleinbiblicaltimes
@@rogergambrell7492 That is not true. Very misleading. We not even talking about all African people. We are talking about West Africans who were brought to America as slaves. We didnt know about bible god until the slave master gave us bible god. that's a fact. If we truly knew Jesus we would have never accepted white Jesus. You cant find any West African bibles or West African Christian Churches that predate our enslavement.
If we knew about bible god the slave master would have never created the Dum Diversas making it legal to convert and to enslave us.
We all free to believe what we choose but we should be mature enough to understand the facts.
And for the record you dont habe any biblical literature from any African Nation that predates the Latin Vulgate or the Greek Septuagint. Latim and Greek are not African languages.
True but the lies that whitey tells and tries to control people with the Bible I'm just saying ❤️🖤💚🙏🏽❤️🖤💚😘
Amen! Just to those who are lost.
This is beautiful and needed information for the community and church,very good panel❤
Excellent panel.
I think we’re deceived when we we equate true biblical Christianity with…
Church folk-
Big hats and bad doctrine-
Catholicism-
7th day Mormon Jehovah Witnesses
Religion.
Christ was not religious.
Religion is what you do when you’d rather listen to man than to God.
Jesus yelled at no one in the Bible. Except for religious leaders.
They thought they were serving God by their made up new rules that changed like the weather.
Do not confuse Christianity with the behavior of “religious folks.”
True Christian’s live by faith!
That means we believe that which is proclaimed in the only official authorized source of information about Christ that there is. The Bible.
Amen!
This is a great discussion. But my conclusion is this: Your relationship with the Lord affects your response to adversity and suffering. I am for getting people the proper meds and therapy, if needed. But, our relationship with the Lord makes the biggest difference.
AMEN!!
FACT
Mic drop
I went to a non denominational church that became bad for my mental health. As i have health issue's i shouldn't go to a certain church and have a few people play mind game's with me for whatever reasons. Having person grilling me for very personal info almost every sunday or having space violated.😢😥
At 24:00 Dr. Moss mentions the power of silence, yet in a black church there is never silence!!!! There is always "noise" happening--screaming and yelling and showing off how loud you can pray or music. Contrast in a Roman Catholic or Anglican service where there
are moment of sacred silence.
In the black church, you can really feel the Holy Spirit. But those DRUMS AND ORGANS ARE TOO LOUD. It's true
@@lhu6971 Really feeling the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the color of the skin of the people in the church. LOL. I live in a third world country, and I REALLY FEEL THE HOLY SPIRIT in the churches here just like I did there in America. The holy Spirit is showing up cased on being Black or Cambodian. This kind of WARPED thinking is half the problem.
@@michaelwhatley7907 Well, i feel like people of color, minorities are much more emotional when praising God. The Holy Spirit is open and available to all race's if they open their heart's. I'm referring to churches that have lot of bench warmers. That don't raise their hands, worship,praise with feeling of Holy Spirit. Warped thinking is jumping to conclusions.Halleluyah. amen. I am African American as well. LOL😂
Catholic mass is too quiet. Our faith is also a singing, dancing and musical faith. We teach and instruct and discipline and there is also joy and rejoicing.
You answered that question! 💥
Mythology and the delusions necessary to accept mythology can be dangerous in regards to mental health in adults in my opinion.
One of the he failures of the church is the expectation of not suffering anything despite the Bible, from cover to cover, relating accounts of people, GOD's people, suffering, including Christ. Black people are especially entitled. Nothing bad is supposed to happen other than prosperity.
Matthew 11:28 " Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I'll give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am Meek and lowly in heart: and ye Shall find Rest for your Souls.' Psalms 94:19 "In the multitude of my thoughts, your delights comfort my soul". Jeremiah 8:22, “Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why then is there no healing for the wound of my people? And because of their unbelief, he couldn't do any mighty miracles among them”, Luke was a great evangelist and was also a physician. Clearly God desires for us to seek healing through him first, but will also use science / medicine to address our physical and mental ailments. Christ-centered Christianity is not harmful to mental health; On the other hand dogmatic legalistic Christianity is detrimental to mental health.
Christ is the Sabbath. I agree, we are busy. But, we also overspend, overconsume, and live rebellious against God's word. Much of the suffering is self-inflicted. We need to properly identify the origin of our suffering. A lot of this suffering comes from our bad choices, and some suffering comes from places outside of us. There are things that occur that we do not control. Why are we talking to pastors on this panel? Much of the counseling that has taken place in the church community has been done through pastoral ministry. Why are we not noting Scripture passages that identify how to maintain healthy mental health?
I hear people say “Christ is the Sabbath” quite often. Can you point me to the scripture passage that says that?
@@daydreamerz The Sabbath means "rest." The ultimate rest is not physical, but spiritual. Rest for the soul, see Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:1. Now to answering your question, even if you observe the Sabbath, that does not make you righteous. Unless you possess the righteouness of God, you can not rest. So the Sabbath has no meaning or basis outside of trusting in Christ for the forgiveness of your sins (Romans 3:20 - 31).
Let me say Christianity can be both good and bad for mental health it can be negative when one is hyper spiritual or becomes a spiritual maniac who only sees demons or evil spirits but it's positives are that it can contribute to one being morally sound I mean also psychologically. I have a lot to say on this since a did a module but let me end here
So true 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤️🖤💚🥰❤️🖤💚
Agreed
Def need a balance, but I say this. U pro thought Apostle Paul or 12 Apostles were hyper too. Those 12 men turn world upside down. Unfortunately most of us Christians sometimes get a Lil too lazy, or some say zeal gone, lukewarm. We are in a lukewarm age too. Remember Jesus said rather u be hot or cold.
Yes
To the title it absolutely can if you go about the faith walk in the wrong way. My life is proof. Todays Christianity may be more crucial to people's mental health more than the past
Children of Zion and Gentile nations do observe the TRUE SABBATH. But some of us do not observe on the coreect manner.
Christianity really messed my psyche up badly I still struggle to this day bc of it
This is why Paul tells us to study sound doctrine, most teachers and professors don’t believe in God or the doctrine of God. Study to show thyself approved unto God.
John Gray said he finds theology of God asinine, how dare we try to put God in a box. I would say that statement makes him unqualified to preach/teach God has revealed certain things to us but the secret things belong to Him. God’s word is absolute which in turn heals our minds if we’re in Christ renew your mind in God’s word daily.
It's not good to tell people there is something wrong with u in the beginning!
Matthew 11:28 Jesus said " Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I'll give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am Meek and lowly in heart: and ye Shall find Rest for your Souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. This is a conditional statement you must come unto him to find complete rest.
To tell ppl Jesus will fix it..after while.. Gods will was done..
answer..AFFIRMATIVE...Jesus NEVER said he came to be our personal problem solver....one of my favorites.. christians blessing the food..take out all the impurities lord..why would God do this..I would let you keep getting sick..until you come to your senses and eat what I COMMANDED.
When you have heart problems you go see a heart specialist, iron challenges you go see a hematologist, eye challenges you go see a ophthalmologist, overall if something is going wrong with your organs, blood, etc you must see a M.D who specializes in that area to survive. Now when it comes to Mental Health many are resistant not realizing that God created these specialties to take care of the human body! He also created the field Mental health to help take care of the mind! The mind is where the battle field lies!
So if you pay someone to take care of the parts of your body that needs healing but the deny your mind the healing it needs you eventually deny the body what it needs. Your past experiences show up in your daily walk regardless of how you try to mask it!
A counselor helps you to face you and see you! You can’t leave the past behind if you do not have the tools to let go of the past counseling is where it will happen. God is in the counseling experience! He knows what you need but do you accept or recognize that you need help! If you trust God to heal you through the heart specialist then surely you can trust him to do all things with clinical help as well!❤
The code switching is unnecessary. Black folks understand
31:51 Christianity vs. churchianity
At the end of this conversation, the lady said go to planned parenthood, Wow
LOL LOL LOL. Its a cold game. LOL Rollin laughin
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. NKJV
2 Tim 3: 16 - 17
Proverbs 3:5-6
I wish more of my white brothers would listen to this instead of fearing whats not in line with their brainwashing
I believe when man can move out of there head, theology and stop being religious and stop with the Traditions. Stop getting distracted by debating, reasoning and having to discuss you will be okay...its simple, in which we make it difficult. We act as if God's Kingdom is a Democracy. That needs our opinions, our views...For many of us, we cannot even grasp serving a King, because we have live as a Democracy. To simply lay our personal aside to follow Jesús example we are not willing to do. Out of all the religions in the world, I believe that Christianity is the only one that I see always having to make it extra. Just obey, what he says to Do..DO...what he says not to Do..DON'T DO...serve the King of Kings and Lord of Lords...put down your agenda. I have listen to 3 teachers which started during the pandemic, who have taught me more than the Churches I grew up ever did and the ones I attended while being an adult. I Thank God for their ministries and teachings @Revelation River Ministries, @ Minister Kevin LA Ewing, @Tomi Arayomi and @Stephen Darby Ministries. (Maybe each of you need to sit back and take a listen and open your hearts and render to God what belongs to God and render to Ceasar what belongs to him...sometimes the more educated we are, the more foolish we sometimes tend to become of our intellect.
Amen.....its meant be kept simple so ALL can understand it...man has complicated it
Yes Christianity does harm our mental health. Because of the indoctrination of bible and toxic sermons. Not our view of Christianity but the experience the religion has put us thru.. church and bible ain't a ecstasy pill. The relevance and validity of Christianity does not depend on your current mood.. I would love to see people who disagree with the speakers on panel.
What about the delusion it takes for an adult to believe in talking animals?
And where are we suppose to receive the funds for all of these services? To whom are you people speaking to? Remember we don't all have unlimited funds.
The clue hmmm
I feel like the constant ups and downs of being a believer are damaging to mental health. His drawing near one moment and withdrawl the next is not healthy. Constantly being pushed to your limits by God's "tests" have affected me negatively and has brought me to places I never thought I'd be with God, even to a point of just about giving up on God entirely.
Its all mythology anyway. Once you realize the rules of the game, you can see right through the game. 1st rule is to never subscribe to a god that has been introduced to you by man
The Father tests us so that we learn and mature, become wise, and grow like strong trees and bear good fruit.
Look at 1 Corinthians 10:13 for clarity on God's intention for tests. God does not put anything on our path that can ultimately damage or destroy us.
I almost feel bipolar tbh ☹️
@@angiepeace4830 I know what you mean.
Don't just Believe because they gave you a bible to just believe, put that book down and research for yourself.
Too bad we have to have such deep discussions about issues I would never raise and about questions I would never ask ... the problem is that we are not discipled and not indoctrinated in the faith and some of us lack true faith ...
People are tired of believing. People would rather know than to believe. Folks are replacing faith for facts so they can stop believing and start knowing. In reality, the whole concept of subscribing to a deity that relies on the words of man has failed us all. Deities that require faith in the words of man has not been good
@@whatshatnin4572this is one of the most woke ages that has ever existed. However, the belief that knowing is enough is deceptive. If one is honest about the current state of things, we’re still failing miserably, although knowledge isn’t lacking.
When we don’t truly have a heart or desire to take advantage of all the data presently known…what good or value will it ever offer???
Pro 17:16 Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?
Life isn’t as complicated as we make it, but the simple methods that often work tend to lack the pizzazz most of us crave.
Just my 2cents…✌🏾
@@1CSPerry Agreed. We extra woke but still suffering. Knowing is not enough.. But knowing is more than believing and facts are more valuable than faith.
Life is not that complicated.. Agreed. Sleep laughter sunlight and proper diet are basic things and are important to mental health. Simple
@@whatshatnin4572 to each their own. I do agree with the simplicity of life you described though. Those basics do more for us than most believe and it’s backed up by science.
However, without faith there are many facts that are now normalized that wouldn’t even exist. Also, there are countless facts that don’t even make sense, without faith being welcomed into the conversation.
Some things are unavoidable on both sides of most arguments. Nonetheless, faith is the ultimate game changer in my opinion. Misunderstood or not, that’s my 2cents…✌🏾
@@1CSPerry There is no science to support a talking donkey or a flying reindeer. Both mythological scenarios are accepted through faith because they have no facts to support them. That is dangerous.
There are no facts to support the existence of Noah so he isa accepted upon faith. Believing in the mythology has been very dangerous to black people and that's a fact
Partner with God in our own healing ❤️🩹 36:47
Christianity isn't bad for mental health, ignorance of not wanting to KNOW about it is.
When you have EXTREME faith who benefits the most...POLITICS evil goes around with being countered by faith. Example why would a POLITICIAN authorize a Holy Book KING JAMES authorizing GODS word!!!😢
Magnifies our delusions...Creates dependency on something outside of yourself a church and a man to have salvation.
One church trying to out do another church..who has the best preacher..choir..youth ministry..praise and worship service
..who on TV..have the most clicks...round and around.
NOW they're telling truth about tithing? Yet still have a $1000 line for offering...ALL the charactiics..what is the proof they ever deliver anything..when you can't no longer be a work horse..or make those large donations..you will be forgotten.
Love Jude 3 but you should have had theologians to balance the mental health professionals. None of them had any serious knowledge of the Bible or even a current understanding of disease etiologies. Neurology without psychiatry itself is a problem. Counselors aren’t trained deeply in pathologies. Very disappointing but Jude 3 is still the best forum anywhere for black theological thought. Overall: excellent still.
The fact that society is distancing itself away from God is the absolute problem. When you have Good and Faith in your life, you will overcome everything.
Not slavery.
@@oldschool5
Are you a slave?
@@Iceman-oc4ep No but my grand father's father was a slave and he was a Christian. I think we know that many Black Christians died as faithful slaves to Christian slave masters. The millions of Christian slaves who died still enslaved did not overcome everything.
@@oldschool5
So what do we need to do?
@@Iceman-oc4ep it depends on what we want. If we want to believe then we should keep applying faith. If we want to know then we need to replace faith for facts. Just depends on what the goals are
Sabbath is made for rest
The gospel is an offense to those who are perishing.
This just proves that it can hurt us mentally. You use a scripture like this to explain mental suffering? What about ppl who are mentally suffering due to the trauma of past abuse from others?
For example: My ex husband sexually, mentally, physically, and emotionally abused me…I go days without sleeping (after 3 years of being separated from him)…there will be no rest for the wicked, often comes to mind. He’s the abuser, but he sleeps peacefully! What about me? Is it my fault? Am I the wicked one?
@@angiepeace4830 I’m very sorry you had to experience that. I challenge you to seek God through His word daily and ask Him to deliver you from mental stress and to use you for His glory through that terrible experience I bet you’ll help someone else as well. If you’re not saved I encourage you to ask Christ to save you.
I'd like to inform you my brother your still angry. I agree with your points but they do come off alittle accusatory. We must consider the ignorance of a spiritual leader in lieu of a lack of empathy. Although some are wolves in sheep's clothing when you have a platform like the internet we need to be mindful to not make statements that demonize.
As a BLACK man, this commenter thinks that the appropriate answer to this question must be an astounding “YES”. Although Christian apologists resort to different sorts of revisionist theories to justify Christianity, the history of the religion should leave no doubt that it has never served the interests of BLACK People and could only be regarded as being utterly bad for members of the BLACK Race. Most Black theologians, intellectuals, and professionals in all of the many fields speak with great conviction about Christianity in the manner in which someone who was taught by someone who was taught by someone else who believes in the doctrines of the faith. And this should come as no surprise because after spending some seven years in seminary to obtain a PhD in Theology, the need to ensure that one has a dependable means of providing for one’s family takes precedence over everything else. Moreover, since most black people in the West and in many parts of Mother AFRICA have been brought up as Christians, divorcing oneself from that kind of cultivated mindset becomes extremely difficult and even impossible. In her book POST TRAUMATIC SLAVE SYNDROME, Dr. Joy DeGruy argues that the psychological impact of enslavement has been just as severe on the minds of succeeding generations as it was in the case of our ancestors. This point has been convincingly corroborated by a study conducted by Duke University that concluded that while the process of domesticating puppies of dogs has become routine, it is almost impossible to domesticate the puppies of wolves. In other words, Christianity, Islam, and other foreign belief systems have been so effective in disfiguring the minds of the AFRICAN People that most of us (Black people) cannot see the folly that we ourselves commit. Suffice it to say that the reputed Jewish rabbi called Jesus had absolutely nothing to do with the founding and establishment of Christianity. To the contrary, the reputed Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, led a failed revolt against the Roman authorities on behalf of Jews, and died as a Jew. When the young rabbi leader was executed by the Roman authorities on a charge of sedition against the state, another young Jew called Saul of Tarsus (aka The Apostle Paul) grabbed the opportunity to curry favor with the Roman authorities and became one of the most nefarious operatives in the effort to suppress any and every form of Jewish rebellion (Acts 7: 54-60 KJV). Being the megalomaniac that Paul was, he eventually lost favor with the Roman authorities and subsequently formed his own movement through which he sought to appease his former bosses and save his own skin (Romans 13: 1- 7). Paul called his new movement Christianity and he distinguished its purpose by ceasing and desisting from any recognition of the reputed Jesus as a Jewish liberator or messiah. Instead, Paul was intent on portraying Jesus as the Christ or Saviour of non-Jews or Gentiles. Although Paul had never been in the company of Jesus and although his so-called epiphany on the road to Damascus has never been independently corroborated, he anointed himself an apostle of Jesus and he misappropriated Jesus’s mission by preaching a message of redemption by faith rather than on good works, as Jesus had taught (Ephesians 2: 8- 9; Luke 21: 1 -4; Luke 10: 27-37). Paul was so successful in brainwashing his followers that by 313 AD, the Roman Emperor Constantine I adopted Christianity (hook, line, and sinker) as a mechanism for maintaining law and order within the Roman Empire (the Edict of Milan). Thus emerged the new institution called the Roman Catholic Church with the idolatrous CHRISTOLOGICAL DOCTRINE as the main tenet of the faith. It was through the atrocities committed in the name of the Roman Catholic Church that the Roman Empire was able to extend its hegemony throughout the four corners of the earth. By the middle of the 16 century AD, the English King James I (of Guy Fawkes’ renown) boldly took a page from Constantine's book, and with the aid of his best friend William Shakespeare, wrote his own version of the Bible (KJV) as a means of justifying the Doctrine of the Divine Rights of Kings…and as they say, the rest is history. It is informative to note that the Islamic belief system had a similar imperialistic modus operandi and spread in a similar manner across the continent of Africa and elsewhere. Meanwhile, the days of the descendants of Paul, Constantine, King James I, and other European Christian imperialists and colonialists using chains and shackles to enslave and disfigure the minds of Black People might no longer be the order of the day. But just as advertisers have discovered that the IMAGE of a dog sitting behind the steering wheel of a car can go a long way in persuading consumers to purchase a particular product, the powers-that-be in Christianity are fully cognizant of the debilitating effect that images of a white Jesus, the representation of innocence and purity through white objects, and the representation of sin and evil through black objects can and does have on BLACK minds. Such, therefore, are this commenter’s grounds for insisting that Christianity could never be good for the mental health of Black people. And since a wrecking ball could never be truly efficacious in doing the work of a hammer, it is incumbent on every BLACK man, woman, and child to emancipate themselves from Christianized mental “slavery” and to embrace other home-grown alternatives for satisfying their spiritual concerns and mental health. It is in this context, therefore, that this commenter is relentless in advocating that BLACK People are again at a juncture in history that demands the invention of a new vehicle for articulating our COLLECTIVE experience, hopes, and aspirations as children of GOD (THE COSMIC ONE) and that the fledgling Philosophy of RASTAFARI is long overdue for serious reconsideration. As an antidote to the venom of the Christian, Islamic, and other foreign belief systems, the Philosophy of RASTAFARI is a DIALECTICAL SYNTHESIS of the lives and teachings of His Imperial Majesty (HIM) Emperor Haile Selassie I, The Right Hon. Marcus Mosiah Garvey, President Kwame Nkrumah, Brother Malcolm X, and so many other enlightened BLACK personalities who have shown a genuine concern for the global plight of our RACE. And because the Rastafarian Movement is barely 90 years young, there is every hope that RASTAFARI will continue to grow from strength to strength and manifest as the greatest INVENTION of BLACK people in the current epoch.
These fools are the reason for the lack of Faith in the world.
What is wrong with lack of faith.
Yes, it is.
Well first show us (Christianity) in the Holy Word!
The title itself is wild and a put off. God cares for us in spirit , body and soul. Includingthe material things we need.
Isaiah 42:3 NKJV - A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth.
Matthew 12:20 NKJV - A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench, Till He sends forth justice to victory;
Emotional pain etc there is nothing we lack in Christ. The carnal nature of man tries to fix himself to no avail then hides and lives with it while we just have to give it to Christ.
God Bless you ❤❤❤❤
THE TRUTH OF THE TITLE IS WHAT MADE ME CLICK. NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TITLE FOR IT SPEAKS A TRUTH I HAVE KNOWN FOR 25 YEARS. I never seen such mental cases as I have seen 40 years being in church. And the one's with the most issues I have said for 20 years can quote 39 scriptures at once and 90 SECONDS FROM THE CRAZY HOUSE.
Deities most likely don’t exist. Religious people are an odd bunch.
We, humans and sinners, need to ask what is it all about. The answer is in the bible alone. So we have to cry out to God in asking for answers as we read the book. So no it is not bad for mental health, unless one is the wrong gospel.
It's terrible for mental health, because it wasn't written by God. It hasn't gotten us black people nowhere, and we've been using it for over 2000 years. If something is effective, you could see it as well as feel it. I certainly don't feel it, and those of us who is out here in it every day, can't see 👀 it. Christianity is just providing false hope. Looks like we're going to wait until a whole race is decimated before we get it figured out. Trying to make the Bible and Christianity be the answer when it's clearly not. It mostly benefits the preacher. Take a good look at our homes, streets, schools, communities, families. Everything is falling apart. We've become slaves again.
Where is the Mental health counselors/experts?
@@jimmiemorrison6782 1. You give the man to much credit, to think that the bible came from him and not God. No man in the flesh in the past can predict something back then, to happen in our time, unless he be God in the flesh. No you and many have erred in the scriptures. 2. Many people make bad decisions in their life, which may hinder their progress to get to places. While others, even immigrants may make better choices. Now I know the power structures may seem or be unfair at times. But if we trust God, work honestly, and be content, we will find ourselves in better situations, and fortunate then many others. Like the man with that sign begging for money. Or those people strung out on opioids.
@@Fernando-qs7bl trusting God don't have nothing to do with the Bible. We were trusting God when we were slaves. It's not what set us free. Trusting God is a inside job. Just take a look at all of the black churches in the world (Nigeria, Ghana, USA) So you think we're suffering so much because of disobedience? Hmmm 🤔
I say we throw that Bible away, and just go within ourselves, because we all know right from wrong.
@@Fernando-qs7blMeanwhile back in reality the bible was given to us by Europeans. There is no evidence to support anything you talking about but we do have evidence showing how white folks introduced us to biblical mythology
@@jimmiemorrison6782 Sin is a concept that relies on a talking snake and a woman being created from a rib of a sleeping man. So the first sign of mental illness would be an adult who believes that this story actually happened.
Yes, Prevalent Christianity is false. The Christians, Pastors and all. But there is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit. Not in these Christians, no not at all. But it's there and everywhere. If you have that it has the ability to transfer you to Christ...real body of Christ not the Church😢
Its sad that this is a talking point. Yet im hearing pray doesn't work or chruch. Nor God. So in other words Your saying God doesn't exist. Why would a believer mental state be infected. So sad
Absolutely no understanding of the gospel message at all these people are trying to use psychology to understand the Bible and that’s where the go wrong they really believe that book is or should be about them and it’s not
#1 l believe in God, Jesus and God's spirit 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾l also believe Jesus was black like the Bible says 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾and l also believe that whitey tampered with the Bible and God will deal with them,l believe but l pray and am very careful what to believe ❤️🖤💚😘❤️🖤💚
Its 2023 and you still trying to believe everything.. When do you graduate from trying to believe to trying to know.. Belief requires faith.. Knowing requires facts.
@@oldschool5 l don't believe everything l believe what's important 😘❤️🖤💚
Let me respond to that potato 🥔 salad analogy if the potato salad with the raisins is so mass produced (10× as much as McDonald's and Wal-Mart worldwide combined) it is going to overshadow and dawrf Aunt Mae salad in preception,popularity and acceptance even if aunties salad is better for you,my BIGGEST problem with Black christianity is your not addressing their white christian brothers & sisters history,contradictions and continued okie doke,I'm like come on with this weak stuff it isn't being Christian.🎉
ONY Christianity is GOOD for our mental health.
JESUS✝️IS THE ONLY HOPE OF THE WORLD, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN.
I LOVE YOU JESUS✝️
"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE." JOHN 3:16 (KJV)
REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.
If you don't REPENT, you will perish in hell/LAKE OF FIRE🔥
JESUS✝️is NOT willing that you perish, but that you come to REPENTANCE.
Call upon JESUS, and He will SAVE you: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 (KJV)
Lord Jesus✝️ have mercy you🙏
The guy who claims that pastors need to call in therapists is angry and needs to check himself. Pastors counsel the church every Sunday and Wednesday from the Scriptures. Yes, we need therapists, but pastors have been treating God's people with the Scriptures for all time. Yes, many preachers mishandle the Scriptures, but that's a separate issue. God's counsels and the Holy Spirit is the greatest therapists. That does mean meds are not necessary in certain cases, but please stop downing the Bible and the church. Stop over generalizing the entire body of Christ mistreating mental health issues.
May I offer this? Unless your pastor/leader is trained in professional counseling, and they are purposefully integrating that into what they do from the pulpit, they are not counseling. Of course, the work they do teaching the Word is critical, and their work in actively caring for souls cannot be undervalued. But, professional counseling is a different thing entirely. We desperately need to call in the therapists; there is work to be done, starting with our leaders.
@@BeesOnMars
I do agree
@@BeesOnMars Facts
@@BeesOnMars l definitely agree with you on that.
For myself, it's kind of like going to a 12 step meeting. It can be very beneficial for the recovering addict, much like sharing a testimony at church. But it's definitely not therapy, even if most people have multiple years of sobriety, it's still not therapy. Some of us needs to see/hear from a therapist.
Thanks 👍 for your input.
Christianity
A Funny Word If You Ask Me.
Cause Within It You Have
"Start Tha Harsh"
As Well As
"Instant Insanity"
You Now See
Makes Sense To Me
Cause In A Nutshell
That Indeed Sums Up
Most All Of Christianity.
Don't Believe Me?
Go Talk To A Local Christian
And You Too Shall See.
Prolonged Exposure Will Indeed Lead
To A Life Full Of Insanity.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And I Only Speak From My Experience With Growing Up In A Rather Problematic And Dogmatic Christian Household.
NO
Yes.
You’re born evil, but will be judged on how good you are. By a God that allows evil, though he is powerful enough to stop it. Allowed chattel slavery and the Holocaust and child trafficking. We are just animals and religion is useful in that it keeps us busy and gives us a purpose or else we’d be depressed and horribly nihilistic.
This is a crazy question! Do you want to be Holy? Do you want to be Unholy? Make a choice! Do you want to serve God? Do you want to serve Satan? Make a choice!
Unconfessed, unrepentant sin also caused mental illness. James 1:13-15. Suffering also comes with rebellion against GOD and HIS WORD. Suffering can and will come at the hands of others. GOD allows suffering. Many of the affliction of the righteous but also of the unrighteous.
No
Easy for you to say. But when you get your god from a Christian slave master, it leads to a heap of mental illness that will be passed down from generation to generation
God is not a Christian Yeshua is not a Christian The Holy Spirit is not a Christian, Yeshua God has nothing to do with Christianity neither does he know what it is
Come on potato salad.
JESUS✝️REIGNS FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!!CELEBRATE AND GLORIFY JESUS EVERY DAY AND FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!! AMEN.
REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.
Christianity is ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL for our mental health BEYOND DESCRIPTION!!!!!!!
ONY CHRISTIANITY IS GOOD FOR OUR MENTAL HEALTH.
WHO IS GOOD FOR US MORE THAN GOD? OF COURSE NO ONE, EVER!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU O LORD MY GOD, AND MY SAVIOR, AND MY COMFORTER, AND MY ONE AND TRUE LOVE, AND MY HUSBAND, AND ONE AND ONLY DARLING, AND MY ONE AND ONLY SWEETHEART, AND MY BEST FRIEND, AND MY BROTHER, AND MY KING, AND MY MASTER, AND MY JOY, AND MY PEACE, AND MY HOPE, AND MY TRUST, AND ROCK, AND MY STRENGTH, AND MY POWER, AND MY EVERYTHING, JESUS CHRIST✝️
I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU FIRST LOVED ME. 1 JOHN 4:19.
THANK YOU, JESUS, FOR LOVING ME,
THANK YOU, JESUS, FOR SAVING ME,
HAIL JESUS!!!!!!! CELEBRATE AND GLORIFY JESUS EVERY DAY AND FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN.
Pastors need therapist! You can only lead as far as you have healed! Anybody can speak about scripture but living it is another thing!
Is Jesus bad for my mental health? This got to be a joke…
It was for many of my ancestors.. Thats a fact
There is nothing mental about having a true relationship with the CREATOR, if you're having mental problems, yo don't know him, depression and mental illness comes from Satan, because Satan is the author of confusion.
This is a lie.
You can always tell when people who claim that they know Christ aren't filled with the Holy Ghost that never fast, pray meditate, follow and obey scriptures nor pattern their lifestyles after Jesus to have power over the devil and his attacks. They will always end up on forums and platforms like this talking about absolutely nothing. Jesus said it best "you will know a tree by the fruit it bears" And the apostle Paul said "that God is not the author of confusion but of peace (not mental health) in all the saints throughout the church".
Dr. Moss shows up in every space he occupies. The #potatosalad analogy was so on point, because who in the hell would put arugula in potato salad? So, yes, when you mess up the recipe (authenticity) don’t NO BODY WANT IT! 🫰🏾🫰🏾🫰🏾
Truly all the panelists gave great insights. Awesome discussion. Keep going Jude 3 Projects