Ive seen two bosses so far and had one attempt at one of them and so far the visuals are far better than previous raids. It actually looks like the attacks are dealing heavy damage and are actually making an impact. I also like the hit detection markers. its not just a plain colour, theres actual visuals to it.
Thank you for the video!!! Don't know if anyone already mentioned it, the ending "video previews" are blank for the "Watch More" and "FatbossTV Podcast"
I understand the argument of raiders plagued by adds fight through the years, but the bad thing about soaking mechanics is that some classes are just so much better at soaking (rogues) so it makes guilds stack these classes wich is a bad thing
x zhou if rest of raid is spammed with soaking mechanics again, I might start calling them ' The Soaking Legion'which are trying to force the art of soaking to rest of the universe XD
Re your end comment on dps finding the end boring, I tend to like that feeling when you can actually stop worrying about mechanics and full out focus on nuking it. it is not fun if that happens for the whole encounter, but it feels like a liberation when it happens in the small end portion of a fight, just my 2 cents.
While I do like the encounter, I would say it makes more sense to perhaps turn the encounter around. Having the Apocalypse Drive happen on perhaps 80 and 40%, and instead of destroying a weapon to deactivate an ability, somehow destroy a blockade to activate the ability instead. Right now the encounter seems to go from medium -> medium/hard (depending on the ability you empower) -> easy, but flipping it so almost nothing happens for the first 20% would perhaps change it to easy -> medium -> hard, which is how I would pressume a boss should go.
Depends on the healer really. If they can heal the last phase without lust than you should use it at the pull with prepot, all the cds and trinket proccs. DPS whise more effective.
I really want to start raiding but I'm terrified of holding other players back because I'm new. And reading the comments on raid guides makes me even more nervous because people are so mean. They'd probably cuss me out and kick me. Does anyone have any advice on how I should get started with raiding?
more than half the guilds out there fuck up routinely on every single boss. The start of a new patch is horrendus for a low to mid tier guild. Thats where u start, no need to be intimidated, since the players ull play with will fuck up too. Thats where u start, thats where everyone starts
I'd suggest using the LFG tool and trying to join mostly guild groups with voice comms that are on progression, rather than full pugs expecting linked achievements or no invite. Guild progression groups are usually far more tolerant of mistakes and wipes. And even if you are asked to step out at a certain point, you could toss out some friend requests and ask to come back the next week for the bosses on farm. Best of luck!
Find a guild fine with teaching you. They exist. A good gm will give criticism without being abusive, and will accept a change in strategy if it's easier for the raid.
Now I know I'm adding this comment well after the release of the video but the salty soaking comments in the comment section are ridiculous. They've seen ONE boss and it happens to have soaking so therefor all the bosses will have soaking. Just unbelievable. These are the perfect example of "forum criers". Ever seen Taliesin & Evitel's bits about the forums in the weekly reset? That's these comments.
How to get them raid frames you have at start of video? They look great, just the frames for groups. What add on is that? I use HealBotCont. atm, but I just can't get it setup how I like it outside of the macros. The visual is meh.
i have no bad feelings about using adblock on your videos, i hate that you are the cause of the removal of the fast raid tips that are clear and simple
So what ilvl is this heroic fight designed for? 930+? Cause it looks like this becomes much easier with higher ilvl, but i hope it's not extremely difficult for a first boss.
probably tier sets and legendarys from a vendor,, i know you could pick up a full set early on in the ptr but never checked out the later ptr gear,, if they didnt change that you could get bis gear easily.
Every boss in mythic tos requires you to soak, most of them 1shot a player for solo soaking or instead 1shot everyone for missing a soak. How is that more fun than doing a lot of dps to adds?
Because you're actually doing something, rather than just cleaving groups of adds down. Remember the first boss of HFC? It's not a very fun mechanic, but it's miles better than add fights. It also makes it so that everyone HAS to know what to do for the fights.
I'm seeing an interesting contrast between higher difficulty versions of content between FFXIV and Legion at this point in time. XIV seems to increase the quantity and frequency of devastating attacks in Savage versions of content while Legion just seems to up the damage numbers...and both are fucking cancer...
Except for Goroth N/H, DI, Harj, Sisters unless standing in incorp shot is a soak, Mistress same as above applies with Hydra shot, Desolate Host for 70% of the fight, and Maiden unless stacking on tank is a soak.
Aggramar has a split-damage cleave ability but that's more on the tank's part than anyone else's. The rest seem soak free too. (We've yet to see Argus' abilities though)
Huh, more soaking mechanics. Not just that, but soaking mechanics that scale poorly with raid size and also wipe the raid if missed by a single person. Great stuff. Good job, developers. Really hit gold with this idea. Wow, great stuff.
it's a somewhat sour boss honestly... it's still roguecraft / soakcraft but atleast it's better later on and not just asking people why they're not playing a rogue still.
imo none of the raid bosses in legion are as fun or diverse as those during MoP,,they call this high movement,,looks more like the hokey pokey but with soaking,,, You put your right foot in You take your right foot out You put your right foot in And you shake it all about You do the hokey pokey And you turn yourself around That's what it's all about ! :)
Good thing druid is still best tank and still not worst on mobility :) Seriously though,on PTR bears can actually just stand still and take the tank bombardment head on without dying,just flying around
It just feels bad man when ur class get's nerfed almost every patch of legion. But drood tanks was really strong and needed the nerfs tbh. Almost solotanking mythic gul'dan shouldn't happen for any type of tank. And I haven't played drood tank for too long yet (started in black rock foundry).
yeah,right now bears might be still the best tanks,at least it's not ridiculous like it was in nighthold. The issue is that the very concept of guardian as a spec is flawed(or too perfect depending on how you see it).they just have too many tools and passives to ever be balanced
True, two (or three if u use the ring) SI and three frenzy regens. A decent aoe dps and single target dps. barkskin on a fairly low cd+ RotS with 25% leech, can be a bit stupid in some fights still. Atm im still a scrub drood tank, tanking in Hc ToS (on avatar atm ....) and im solo tanking a load of hammers on maiden because of all my cds i can use. first hammer RotS, barkskin and wailing souls trinket off host. next two are SI hammers and then rinse and repeat if i have a cd up. Cuts a lot of slack to the healers because of the insta frenzy regen after a hammer+ I use the frenzy regen booster boots and leggo chest+ 4 set from ToS. So tl;dr Yes, drood tanks are still stupid strong even after all the nerfs. Btw my drood is called Meanbeef so u can check the info if u want to.
Caleb Petrie okay. so do you like that encounters are so poorly designed? that is a problem. not everything blizzard makes is perfect. why do i have to like everything blizzard males, even tho its obvious that there is no effort in making new mechanics?
Here is the Live Garothi Worldbreaker Normal + Heroic Guide: th-cam.com/video/oRn6tePriJs/w-d-xo.html
Always appreciate your guys' videos! I know they take a lot of time and hard work. Thank you!
Thanks! Your guides are very helpful! Can't wait until Tuesday!!
Ive seen two bosses so far and had one attempt at one of them and so far the visuals are far better than previous raids. It actually looks like the attacks are dealing heavy damage and are actually making an impact. I also like the hit detection markers. its not just a plain colour, theres actual visuals to it.
Thank you lads... Must say this looks awesome for a first raid boss. Can't wait
Thank you for the video!!!
Don't know if anyone already mentioned it, the ending "video previews" are blank for the "Watch More" and "FatbossTV Podcast"
Holy crap, it's almost like the Omni-Zophar fight from Lunar: Eternal Blue! Also, I still stand by Garothi LFRBreaker as the name. :p
It's also worth noting that the boss's voice is epic as fuck
I understand the argument of raiders plagued by adds fight through the years, but the bad thing about soaking mechanics is that some classes are just so much better at soaking (rogues) so it makes guilds stack these classes wich is a bad thing
That goblin racial save though.
tomb of soakargeras and antorus, the soaking throne
x zhou if rest of raid is spammed with soaking mechanics again, I might start calling them ' The Soaking Legion'which are trying to force the art of soaking to rest of the universe XD
x zhou only so many mechanics you can give a boss on WoW's engine.
x zhou most likely balls of sargeras
I went deeper into the throne and tested two of the bosses. Neither of them had soaking mechanics.
what about the emerald soakmare? and the soakhold, and the trail of soaker
Re your end comment on dps finding the end boring, I tend to like that feeling when you can actually stop worrying about mechanics and full out focus on nuking it. it is not fun if that happens for the whole encounter, but it feels like a liberation when it happens in the small end portion of a fight, just my 2 cents.
Missed you guys! More new ptr boss fights plz 👻
If you put the video speed down to .5 they sound drunk. Try it.
okay that was funnier than expected
i love you
bwhahaha
classic
The Burning Legion should probably have a secondary name, The Soaking Legion or The Burning Soakers
While I do like the encounter, I would say it makes more sense to perhaps turn the encounter around. Having the Apocalypse Drive happen on perhaps 80 and 40%, and instead of destroying a weapon to deactivate an ability, somehow destroy a blockade to activate the ability instead.
Right now the encounter seems to go from medium -> medium/hard (depending on the ability you empower) -> easy, but flipping it so almost nothing happens for the first 20% would perhaps change it to easy -> medium -> hard, which is how I would pressume a boss should go.
This reminds me of the Proud Clod boss in Final Fantasy 7, the giant mech that leans down to shoot you with the cannon on its back.
Awsome guide!^^
Thank u guys!!!
Wow! Looks great for a first boss
Soaking a circle on the floor? Genius, well played Blizzard, innovative boss design, should have implemented some stuff like that in ToS.
HarrisonPayne lol
Oh shut up.
Hey bro, sup?
Dont answer that, a rhetorical question
This boss looks like the Endboss of Rachet & Clank : Up your Arsonal
Soak mechanic on the very first boss, after tomb of soakgeras?
Hope it's not a trend!
So it looks like Phase 3 is the best place to Lust. Beating the dots and the bigger boss hits and all.
Depends on the healer really. If they can heal the last phase without lust than you should use it at the pull with prepot, all the cds and trinket proccs. DPS whise more effective.
I was really hopping turalion and that two holy mechs would do somerhing
Also empowered decimation can help out with the achievement.
Nice video as always (Y)
Pretty cool first boss fight :-)
Can you stand all the way to the left or right to avoid Apocalypse Drive? Seems like there's a space between the line and the side of the room.. :o
HI, would you be able to share the Holy Priest Weakaura string which is used in the Vid please?
Does anyone know the holy priests addon that shows the main cooldowns right next to the raidframe? just to the left of the raidframe addon
nathan pickering Its just weakauras. Just google the spell you want then import the weakaura. Customize it and move it and ur done
Luke thanks mate
Reminds me of old Contra game bosses.
Wtf is going on with Tyralion and those 2 light golems?
I really want to start raiding but I'm terrified of holding other players back because I'm new. And reading the comments on raid guides makes me even more nervous because people are so mean. They'd probably cuss me out and kick me. Does anyone have any advice on how I should get started with raiding?
more than half the guilds out there fuck up routinely on every single boss. The start of a new patch is horrendus for a low to mid tier guild. Thats where u start, no need to be intimidated, since the players ull play with will fuck up too.
Thats where u start, thats where everyone starts
I'd suggest using the LFG tool and trying to join mostly guild groups with voice comms that are on progression, rather than full pugs expecting linked achievements or no invite. Guild progression groups are usually far more tolerant of mistakes and wipes. And even if you are asked to step out at a certain point, you could toss out some friend requests and ask to come back the next week for the bosses on farm. Best of luck!
Thanks for the kind replied and suggestions! I'll definitely try them out!
know your spec and know the fight, that's literally all and you will be fine
Find a guild fine with teaching you. They exist. A good gm will give criticism without being abusive, and will accept a change in strategy if it's easier for the raid.
Can we bring back Laps Around Dalaran episodes?
RIP prot pallies. Or does that tank mechanic only happen once in the fight?
Now I know I'm adding this comment well after the release of the video but the salty soaking comments in the comment section are ridiculous. They've seen ONE boss and it happens to have soaking so therefor all the bosses will have soaking. Just unbelievable. These are the perfect example of "forum criers". Ever seen Taliesin & Evitel's bits about the forums in the weekly reset? That's these comments.
pretty fun for the first boss tbh
How to get them raid frames you have at start of video? They look great, just the frames for groups. What add on is that? I use HealBotCont. atm, but I just can't get it setup how I like it outside of the macros. The visual is meh.
Looks fun
Guys get a straw there's more soaking.
i have no bad feelings about using adblock on your videos, i hate that you are the cause of the removal of the fast raid tips that are clear and simple
Great more soaking mechanics wow innovative boss designs.
Apocalypse Drive needs to have the detonation time cut in half, maybe even more.
Ueno54 That is what Mythic is there for I assume.
What's the purpose of the 2 warframes in the middle..?
Is Apocalypse drive missing something?
what's that addon your using showing your cds and durations when it's the priest
So what ilvl is this heroic fight designed for? 930+? Cause it looks like this becomes much easier with higher ilvl, but i hope it's not extremely difficult for a first boss.
Hey we heard you hated Tomb of Soakgeras, so have some more soak mechanics!
AxleStukov it’s funny because you can tell you’ve seen this boss alone.
가로쉬님.. 그립습니다..
Wich ilvl is required for heroic difficulty?
Why the fuck have that nearly identical soaking ability for Avatar, Kiljaeden and Garothi?!
More soaking?
Why are there so many salty comments about soaking mechanics? Are you all the random scrubs from LFR Kil Jaeden?
ManWithCrowbar lolol i love soak mechanics so easy to deal with
More soaking eh? Time to level up that rogue then
sounds op
shadow on top, hype ;)
have fatboss stopped doing videos?
what kind of gear is being used?
to down this? the dps seems really high for single target
probably tier sets and legendarys from a vendor,, i know you could pick up a full set early on in the ptr but never checked out the later ptr gear,, if they didnt change that you could get bis gear easily.
what are your addons?
What the fuck are the light forged golems for
Memelord Joe beta testing gets weird
moral support
Memelord Joe Mythic mechanic maybe?
Turalyon is here too, with another guy
Stop nagging about the soak mechanics, everyone! I'd rather have soak mechanics than add fights like we've been plagued with for years.
oyrc howicopop This. So much this.
Every boss in mythic tos requires you to soak, most of them 1shot a player for solo soaking or instead 1shot everyone for missing a soak. How is that more fun than doing a lot of dps to adds?
Because you're actually doing something, rather than just cleaving groups of adds down. Remember the first boss of HFC? It's not a very fun mechanic, but it's miles better than add fights.
It also makes it so that everyone HAS to know what to do for the fights.
So you're saying you didn't like the first fight in HFC?
Tasunke There's many many ways to design a fight with strategy, management and focus. Add fights happen to be a very very lazy way to do so.
R.i.p. in peace blood dk tanks (unless they raid with a holy priest who can grip)
Ash Williams warlock portal to the portal gg
feathers man feathers
Ash Williams Monks cam Tigers Lust you np
I guess you can also let the other tank take all the debuffs, if it's not a DK as well.
Aggramar Stride says"hello!" it will be extremely useful for this fight.
I soo need a raid with rainbow colors
I'm seeing an interesting contrast between higher difficulty versions of content between FFXIV and Legion at this point in time.
XIV seems to increase the quantity and frequency of devastating attacks in Savage versions of content while Legion just seems to up the damage numbers...and both are fucking cancer...
Why are they calling this tier 22?
Imagine lfr garothi wipe, it will be hilarious
nice soaking boss again. great.
Btw it say T22.
Is that really 300+m dps I’m seeing? How????
300+ million is not the dps, its the amount of dmg they did the entire fight. The DPS is actually 1 million to about 750k dps.
Finally
Oh, no melee mechanics again :) what a suprise
or maybe thats better, we all know melee suck at this game just standing at boss pressing 3 buttons again and again
You're fucking moron Moozerty. Both ranged and melee have there pros and cons.
Moozerty Melee is significantly harder than range when it comes to bosses and mechanics.
i still think goroth is the best first boss this expansion
That's a weird way to spell Odyn
Odyn's crap
y'all shit talking on odyn but 2/3rd of people who cleared mythic xavius when trial released couldn't kill it on heroic. >.>
doesn't change the fact the fight was crap
cause he was way too easy? k.
please no more soak mechanics, we had them for almost every boss in tomb and now the first boss of the next raid has another?
Except for Goroth N/H, DI, Harj, Sisters unless standing in incorp shot is a soak, Mistress same as above applies with Hydra shot, Desolate Host for 70% of the fight, and Maiden unless stacking on tank is a soak.
Portal keeper and Eronar are blessedly soak free. Have not tested the others yet.
Aggramar has a split-damage cleave ability but that's more on the tank's part than anyone else's. The rest seem soak free too. (We've yet to see Argus' abilities though)
incorp is a soak, so is hydra shot, desolate host has a soak and maiden has a soak
and Harj also has soak. So basically it's just goroth and DI without soaks on normal/hc
Wait I already killed him on Krokuun.... that's weird
Lol robot is a shaman class who popped ankh to spawn in antorus then used Avatar talent to grow big
Get in circles to soak asap!
Get out of circles before taking damage asap!
oh look...SOAKING hahahahahaah
Robert Technovsky u seem upset get over it
is this heroic?
Goroth, garothi.. kin'garoth!!!! alot of goroth's
Huh, more soaking mechanics. Not just that, but soaking mechanics that scale poorly with raid size and also wipe the raid if missed by a single person. Great stuff. Good job, developers. Really hit gold with this idea. Wow, great stuff.
Its PTR the numbers arent tuned.
Fingolfin3423 Are you really complaining that something on the PTR is not tuned yet? Really? Wtf...
I know that soaks are a key mechanic to use, but -_- I really don't want more, again.
So dps just sit and nuke , awsome combat wow, people should really try out tera and see true combat where you dont fall asleep.
mom I'm on TV
it's a somewhat sour boss honestly... it's still roguecraft / soakcraft but atleast it's better later on and not just asking people why they're not playing a rogue still.
high movement ? rip lfr ;D
imo none of the raid bosses in legion are as fun or diverse as those during MoP,,they call this high movement,,looks more like the hokey pokey but with soaking,,,
You put your right foot in
You take your right foot out
You put your right foot in
And you shake it all about
You do the hokey pokey
And you turn yourself around
That's what it's all about ! :)
"Alot of movement that isnt great for ranged dps" Whats ranged dps? #worldofmeleecraft
well this is gonna be fun. Drood tank on the move, hoping not to get nerfed again.....
Good thing druid is still best tank and still not worst on mobility :)
Seriously though,on PTR bears can actually just stand still and take the tank bombardment head on without dying,just flying around
It just feels bad man when ur class get's nerfed almost every patch of legion. But drood tanks was really strong and needed the nerfs tbh. Almost solotanking mythic gul'dan shouldn't happen for any type of tank. And I haven't played drood tank for too long yet (started in black rock foundry).
yeah,right now bears might be still the best tanks,at least it's not ridiculous like it was in nighthold.
The issue is that the very concept of guardian as a spec is flawed(or too perfect depending on how you see it).they just have too many tools and passives to ever be balanced
True, two (or three if u use the ring) SI and three frenzy regens. A decent aoe dps and single target dps. barkskin on a fairly low cd+ RotS with 25% leech, can be a bit stupid in some fights still. Atm im still a scrub drood tank, tanking in Hc ToS (on avatar atm ....) and im solo tanking a load of hammers on maiden because of all my cds i can use. first hammer RotS, barkskin and wailing souls trinket off host. next two are SI hammers and then rinse and repeat if i have a cd up. Cuts a lot of slack to the healers because of the insta frenzy regen after a hammer+ I use the frenzy regen booster boots and leggo chest+ 4 set from ToS. So tl;dr Yes, drood tanks are still stupid strong even after all the nerfs. Btw my drood is called Meanbeef so u can check the info if u want to.
Healer POV Zzzz
Belial from Diablo 3.....
More soaking xDDDDDDDDDDDD
Oh,great now I have to unsubscribe until raid is out,thanks fatboss!
So once again the mongloid melee sit on the boss doing nothing.
Somebody's angry.
scaling fucking over 10 man raids?? who could have foreseen this!
Another soak mechanic, come on blizz
and u cut out the only part i cared about.. looting
This soak or wipe is getting realny boring
MAYLAY it's not MEELEE
cool, another soak mechanic... not.
shaardy qt cool another comment thats a person complaining
Caleb Petrie okay. so do you like that encounters are so poorly designed? that is a problem. not everything blizzard makes is perfect. why do i have to like everything blizzard males, even tho its obvious that there is no effort in making new mechanics?
lol.. talk about some half assed design. more soak, no longer more dots..