Extremely well presented summary of GR issues and Ghost Galaxy's current response. I agree that any Errata and updates needed to go out before the upcoming Vault Tours. I just wish they had stated these changes would not impact any Store Championships in progress. Nice to see some footage from your local Archon Store Championship!
Yeah the timing was pretty awkward with the store championships currently taking place, that's for sure. It also effected some online leagues as well, so there's been some pretty heated discussion lol!
I love Grim Reminders. I have played a ton for in person GR and It feels like the average deck quality is much better. Most of or games have been close and a ton of fun. There are so many fun combos in this set. I am glad there are strong common cards. I think it is easier than ever for a new player to find a good deck to play. I have played a ton of sealed (regular and alliance) and we have had very few runaway games.
Already bailed on Ghost Galaxy Keyforge. The slower pace is partly what drew me to Keyforge (had had quite enough of 3 turn MTG games). I'll buy 1-2 decks of each new set, but then head back to AoA for my larger purchases. Glad you're enjoying it though!
Sad to hear you've bailed on GG KeyForge. Sometimes I find myself needing to return to older sets for a quick breather, but I do quite enjoy the direction KeyForge has been heading with GG's sets. Hope to still see you around the Crucible from time to time tho! :)
I'm pretty happy about the change. Key Abduction should have gotten an errata to purge itself when it forges long ago. The major problem with GrimRem isnt the power level, it's how little chance other sets often get for interaction.
@KellyUnekis It had plenty of reasons to be restricted at the time. Anything that has potential to give you one Key for free should have purged itself from the get go. We honestly should have gotten a more restricted and updated version of KA instead of simply reprinting it. Don't get me wrong, I love KA without Generosity and recursion nonsense, the way it was intended to work in set 1, but I think they made it a little too easy to abuse.
)= I hoped they would limit the minimumcost to 3 or sth. 6 seems like a lot for the extra work you put in compared to keycharge where its basically 7 cost for no work at all ( I know there is also an aember pip, but still...maybe 4 shouldve been the minimum cost then)
Future is Past, Boo!, Hallowed Eve Festival, plus tons of other cards made Ecto-Charge a very easy free Key to get. And, it's not "at cost" either, meaning you can get around cost increases easily. It's a much needed change for the health of the game.
This is exactly the kind of stuff they need to be doing to keep the game healthy. I absolutely applaud this much needed change. But, they need to go farther still and here is why: Future is Past, Winds of Death, Key Abduction, Nepenthe Seed, Target Yynxzdyl. All that equal 3 completely free Keys in just 3 turns. And no, it's not hard to go off with this, I've done it multiple times with my Alliance deck. Key Abduction was not made with the power of this set in mind, it needs either a minimum cost, just like Ecto-Charge, or to shuffle the hand into the deck, just like Spoo-Key Charge does with the discard pile. And, it's not just a problem for Alliance, there are hundreds of Archon decks on DoK that are only missing Future is Past from that list, and it's the least needed card of the combo.
I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand it's never been easier to get into Keyforge. Tons of fire products all at once with so little chance for disappointment. I to remember AoA. But one great aspect of keyforge is how there is usually a way to take somebody of check, so moving away from that hurts the game.
The addition of discard enhancements makes me believe they can return to putting an amount of chains on powerful common cards without slowing down games.
Interesting idea, I could see that working! I do appreciate how the ways of balancing board wipes has branched out somewhat, but with discard pips present, chains could've had their place as well
This game needs an online, animated, OFFICIAL, client DESPERATELY. I am a mega fan from South Africa, and it's gotten so bad just getting product outside the first world that I had to ship my Grim Reminders pledge to Tennessee so someone could re-ship it to me (at massive expense) if GG doesn't make efforts to let me play the game properly at reasonable prices soon, I'm not going to be backing their next crowd funder
Absolutely 100% agree with you. They announced that an official online client was going to happen ages ago, but still no news or updates on that sadly. Really hope they can come up with something to keep non-US players engaged and avoid situations like the one you found yourself in.
Yep! Fantasy Flights Games no longer makes it, now it's owned by a newer company called Ghost Galaxy. They've been the ones releasing new sets and organizing events and everything since last year or so!
Are there any other errata in the game apart from this and Library Access? 🤔 I mean big ones to remember, not like stuff that are obvious by the rules haha Also wanted to ask, did the change to the text of Cauldron was made because if I want to play something from it that I can't play at that moment it stays under Cauldron? thanks! Regarding what you said about the set, I love this set!!! love the theme and the new concepts!!! I am indeed waiting for the next one while also hoping there will be enough time to enjoy from this one haha, I honestly don't think it is much more powerful than other sets when you look at strong competitive decks, I think discarding your deck quickly is both strong and dangerous at the same time, and I believe that strong decks from AOA and DT are at par with this set's strongest decks :)
Another big errata happened to Bait and Switch back in the day, making it so it can only steal 2 aember maximum! So I think B&S, Library Access, and Ecto-Charge are the big three at the moment! And then for Cauldron, if you can't play a card from under it as a result of Stealth Mode or Befuddle or something like that, it would indeed stay under Cauldron. Hope that helps!
I'll be honest, I'm not really a fan of the game being power crept. I thought WoE was okay for the most part but GR takes it a step too far IMO and I really don't want future sets to jump forward even further. Part of that is because when getting new players into the game, most of them are buying cheap AoA and WC decks. They take them online and get absolutely destroyed by GR, and are then turned off from the game. I personally think more care should have been taken to limit the number of bad cards being printed rather than create buffed versions of already great ones. I still love the game, but I'm worried that after seeing it almost die and then miraculously reborn we're just going to witness it dying all over again.
Still waiting for my ol Bait n switch to be restored to its former glory. I don’t think it is gonna be a good thing if the old decks can’t even compete anymore. If they keep going with the newer , bigger, better approach the game might die again. I hope it does not. I’d really like a new set to not have a gimmick/new game mechanic attached and just have new reasonable cards. Balance is key.
I'm with you there! Really nice to be opening stronger decks more commonly, very nice change of pace from opening mediocre to bad stuff more often than not.
There should be none power creep in this game. Sets should be focusing on cool interesting cards and their interactions instead. Having different then mtg game selling model made this game. If they go into mtg shooes then they will end up like many, many other games that wither and die in time.
Good Erata at the right time, GG did everything right.
Extremely well presented summary of GR issues and Ghost Galaxy's current response. I agree that any Errata and updates needed to go out before the upcoming Vault Tours. I just wish they had stated these changes would not impact any Store Championships in progress. Nice to see some footage from your local Archon Store Championship!
Yeah the timing was pretty awkward with the store championships currently taking place, that's for sure. It also effected some online leagues as well, so there's been some pretty heated discussion lol!
I'm glad they've done this errata, but I hope they are more careful in the future and they catch design flaws like this before they are printed.
I love Grim Reminders. I have played a ton for in person GR and It feels like the average deck quality is much better. Most of or games have been close and a ton of fun. There are so many fun combos in this set. I am glad there are strong common cards. I think it is easier than ever for a new player to find a good deck to play. I have played a ton of sealed (regular and alliance) and we have had very few runaway games.
Already bailed on Ghost Galaxy Keyforge. The slower pace is partly what drew me to Keyforge (had had quite enough of 3 turn MTG games). I'll buy 1-2 decks of each new set, but then head back to AoA for my larger purchases.
Glad you're enjoying it though!
Sad to hear you've bailed on GG KeyForge. Sometimes I find myself needing to return to older sets for a quick breather, but I do quite enjoy the direction KeyForge has been heading with GG's sets. Hope to still see you around the Crucible from time to time tho! :)
@@aembermedes Oh I'll still be around. Keyforge remains one of my favorite games.
I'm pretty happy about the change. Key Abduction should have gotten an errata to purge itself when it forges long ago. The major problem with GrimRem isnt the power level, it's how little chance other sets often get for interaction.
KA should not die for MG and Winds of Death's sins.
@KellyUnekis It had plenty of reasons to be restricted at the time. Anything that has potential to give you one Key for free should have purged itself from the get go. We honestly should have gotten a more restricted and updated version of KA instead of simply reprinting it.
Don't get me wrong, I love KA without Generosity and recursion nonsense, the way it was intended to work in set 1, but I think they made it a little too easy to abuse.
)= I hoped they would limit the minimumcost to 3 or sth. 6 seems like a lot for the extra work you put in compared to keycharge where its basically 7 cost for no work at all ( I know there is also an aember pip, but still...maybe 4 shouldve been the minimum cost then)
Future is Past, Boo!, Hallowed Eve Festival, plus tons of other cards made Ecto-Charge a very easy free Key to get. And, it's not "at cost" either, meaning you can get around cost increases easily. It's a much needed change for the health of the game.
Yeah I could see something like that working as well! Interesting thought!
If you already have the pre errata card do u have to just remember that it changed?
Yeah you pretty much just have to remember the erratas that happen, since the card text may not match the errata, which is kinda awkward!
Good errata 👍
This is exactly the kind of stuff they need to be doing to keep the game healthy. I absolutely applaud this much needed change.
But, they need to go farther still and here is why: Future is Past, Winds of Death, Key Abduction, Nepenthe Seed, Target Yynxzdyl. All that equal 3 completely free Keys in just 3 turns. And no, it's not hard to go off with this, I've done it multiple times with my Alliance deck. Key Abduction was not made with the power of this set in mind, it needs either a minimum cost, just like Ecto-Charge, or to shuffle the hand into the deck, just like Spoo-Key Charge does with the discard pile. And, it's not just a problem for Alliance, there are hundreds of Archon decks on DoK that are only missing Future is Past from that list, and it's the least needed card of the combo.
Are they selling Grim Reminders deck yet?
Yep, they should've been for sale for a while now! :)
I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand it's never been easier to get into Keyforge. Tons of fire products all at once with so little chance for disappointment. I to remember AoA. But one great aspect of keyforge is how there is usually a way to take somebody of check, so moving away from that hurts the game.
I love GR but it is overpowered - I have 346 decks and 1 GR display - my top 12 strongest decks are GR ^^
The addition of discard enhancements makes me believe they can return to putting an amount of chains on powerful common cards without slowing down games.
Interesting idea, I could see that working! I do appreciate how the ways of balancing board wipes has branched out somewhat, but with discard pips present, chains could've had their place as well
This game needs an online, animated, OFFICIAL, client DESPERATELY. I am a mega fan from South Africa, and it's gotten so bad just getting product outside the first world that I had to ship my Grim Reminders pledge to Tennessee so someone could re-ship it to me (at massive expense) if GG doesn't make efforts to let me play the game properly at reasonable prices soon, I'm not going to be backing their next crowd funder
Absolutely 100% agree with you. They announced that an official online client was going to happen ages ago, but still no news or updates on that sadly. Really hope they can come up with something to keep non-US players engaged and avoid situations like the one you found yourself in.
Hey hey let's go!
They're still making Keyforge?
Yep! Fantasy Flights Games no longer makes it, now it's owned by a newer company called Ghost Galaxy. They've been the ones releasing new sets and organizing events and everything since last year or so!
It was broken, good errata
Are there any other errata in the game apart from this and Library Access? 🤔
I mean big ones to remember, not like stuff that are obvious by the rules haha
Also wanted to ask, did the change to the text of Cauldron was made because if I want to play something from it that I can't play at that moment it stays under Cauldron? thanks!
Regarding what you said about the set, I love this set!!! love the theme and the new concepts!!! I am indeed waiting for the next one while also hoping there will be enough time to enjoy from this one haha, I honestly don't think it is much more powerful than other sets when you look at strong competitive decks, I think discarding your deck quickly is both strong and dangerous at the same time, and I believe that strong decks from AOA and DT are at par with this set's strongest decks :)
Another big errata happened to Bait and Switch back in the day, making it so it can only steal 2 aember maximum! So I think B&S, Library Access, and Ecto-Charge are the big three at the moment!
And then for Cauldron, if you can't play a card from under it as a result of Stealth Mode or Befuddle or something like that, it would indeed stay under Cauldron. Hope that helps!
Definitely a good erata, and I'm not just saying that because my only prerelease loss was to a Ectocharge. 😂
Lol! An unfortunate loss indeed :)
I'll be honest, I'm not really a fan of the game being power crept. I thought WoE was okay for the most part but GR takes it a step too far IMO and I really don't want future sets to jump forward even further.
Part of that is because when getting new players into the game, most of them are buying cheap AoA and WC decks. They take them online and get absolutely destroyed by GR, and are then turned off from the game. I personally think more care should have been taken to limit the number of bad cards being printed rather than create buffed versions of already great ones.
I still love the game, but I'm worried that after seeing it almost die and then miraculously reborn we're just going to witness it dying all over again.
Still waiting for my ol Bait n switch to be restored to its former glory. I don’t think it is gonna be a good thing if the old decks can’t even compete anymore. If they keep going with the newer , bigger, better approach the game might die again. I hope it does not. I’d really like a new set to not have a gimmick/new game mechanic attached and just have new reasonable cards. Balance is key.
No one bought or played Age of Ascension back then, which is essentially what you're asking to repeat, and it's why they won't do it.
The old sets had too many garbage decks and it was too hard to find a competitive deck.
I'm with you there! Really nice to be opening stronger decks more commonly, very nice change of pace from opening mediocre to bad stuff more often than not.
There should be none power creep in this game. Sets should be focusing on cool interesting cards and their interactions instead. Having different then mtg game selling model made this game. If they go into mtg shooes then they will end up like many, many other games that wither and die in time.