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Anybody who is willing to challenge their own previous opinions based on new information is right by me. I really appreciate you guys revisiting old reviews and helping us understand new things in the process. Right on you two
The room is everything! I bought LS50's and thought they were absolute garbage until I treated my room. The change in sound signature was immense after adding carpet, heavy curtains, and GIK Acoustic panels to my room. I thought I had to upgrade to a more expensive speaker to get the sound I wanted, when in reality it was my room that needed an "upgrade".
The majority I'd say 80% of it, is getting your speakers and room to play well together. Once you have that; a good source, amp and preamp will cover the other 20%.
The room makes all the difference. My buddies and I host a monthly vinyl night at a local brewery. The first time we did it I brought the equipment from my home listening room (e.g., AB amp with no tone controls, horn-loaded full-range loudspeakers, etc.). The concrete floors, open rafter ceiling, and tile walls at the brewery caused my system to sound terrible. Now when we host vinyl night we bring old class D amps, bookshelf speakers, and a subwoofer. We're able to tailor the sound to the room much better, and I don't have to dismantle my listening room once a month :-).
Love this video for two reasons: the new transition music is sweet! Second, I really like that you all are talking more about room influence on the acoustics and making a video comparing a few speakers in your former space and the new space. Great concept for a video and the new room is sharp as hell by the way!
Humble request: could you do a video on linearity, frequency response, bass definition, treble harshness, warm vs cold vs forward vs neutral sound? These terms have been popping up more frequently in your videos, and I kinda get what you’re saying, but don’t have the technical background. Would LOVE if you could make a beginners video on this aspect of the hobby.
My wife and I moved two years ago. I own the Micca RB42's and Yamaha A-S301 integrated. The attack in the kick drum lost some energy in the new place but the overall character is exactly the same. God, I just love the way this system sounds in my room. My wife feels the same way. She is surely becoming an audiophile. Great job as usual.
After auditioning both the KLH 5's and Wharfedale Lintons, I was surprised to find some cymbals missing on a jazz cut from the Wharfedale. The cymbals were barely struck but audible on the KLH but not so on the Wharfedale. It was ever so slight in sound on the recording but that missing detail on the Linton prompted me to be won over by the 5's. Good review as always.
If Andrew and Kristi broke in the B&W 606 S2 AE, I believe their opinion of the speaker would change. I have owned these speakers for almost a year and absolutely love them. Yes, I have to agree that they are very sensitive to what room you place them in and what amp you pair them with. If you get the right combination, they sound amazing!
I love your videos. I don’t just watch and listen to them, I study them. Always anxious for a new one to come out. I wouldn’t dare buy a piece of equipment or a speaker until you review it. And I absolutely love the wood slats on the wall. Dual purpose concept. Well done.
I think the KLH Model 5s are very special. I understand your recommendation of the Linton's took into consideration that the Linton's are less alive, especially at low volumes. I do a lot of late-night listening, and for me, the revealing nature of the speaker means it takes less volume to hear the detail. If I do turn it up, it is definitely revealing and an enjoyable experience. I am sure the Model 7 will be better, but it costs lots more. I understood your reasoning then, and your follow-up review also didn't seem happy about them. It was like you begrudgingly had to say, good speakers. What I love is how they reveal the music and the performance.
Definitely how your room set up makes a massive change to sound. I recently had new flooring in my room my stereo system is, removing carpet. Now the sound bounces around the room
Andrew and Kristy. You have my respect for posting on this subject and being ready to challenge your conclusions now that you've completed the new listening space. Being ready to say I got it wrong/or right, publicly in a balanced manner requires guts, although I would possibly post the changes that have been noticed as you've done. I simply couldn't do this because my audio memory is not good enough. Keep on keeping on both, I love your posts.
I’m not a audiophile but love my music after watching many reviews and many of yours I purchased nr1200 and monitor silver 100 and love the whole set up. Easy punchy fun and the louder it goes the better it sounds. Love not beating myself up about is there something better all the time. Thank you for your reviews
Heresy's are just absolutely amazing! Yeah, they are certainly not a "neutral" speaker. But, my God, they are the most fun speakers I've ever had! Glad to see you got them dialed in. Also, glad to see you guys have gotten things set up in the new space. Stay well, you two!
Great concept love this type of content! I think an initial review / impressions vs long term revision are always helpful. I’ve always been impressed with speakers like B&W after initial demos but when I actually spend time with them the spicy tweets can get old quickly. Perceived initial resolution quickly fades to hey look at me type of treble presentation. At least for my preferences.
Andrew I really appreciate you going back to test your old opinions. You’re absolutely right, the room is the biggest change for a speaker. So much respect for you going back and checking yourself!! You are one of the most honest reviewers I know. I would love to see a Polk L600 review from you in your new space, as I have owned a lot of different speakers and these blow me away with an Emotiva amp, no matter what room I try them in. Yes they are definitely power hungry and a high end (or $1500 sweet spot) receiver does not bring these speakers fully to life. Or even the Polk R700’s in this new space. I have owned KEF, wharfedale, Klipsch, and now I’m hooked on the Polk’s solid performance and build quality all around (L600😉) And yes I have owned older Polk’s as well, including the previous legendary series. I agree that the large legendary towers are complete overkill for a normal living room. Maybe they would be cool in a home movie theater? Not for me.
Thanks for this video, Andrew and Kristi. I discovered you the day after I ordered a pair of the B&W 607s from Crutchfield. Kristi, what you had to say about your experience listening to Alanis Morissette on them was almost word for word my experience listening to Linda Ronstadt (among others) on the Matrix 805s when I bought them 25 years ago. So I canceled my order, and I am very glad I did. I thank you. I ended up with a pair of the current Paradigm Atoms. I owned a pair of the v.2 from 2000 to 2016, and I enjoyed them. I only sold them because I’d bought a B&W Z2 wireless speaker around 2010, the sound of which gave me the best listening experience of my life. (Early in the oughts, I acquired tinnitus, and nearfield became my only enjoyable listening experience.) I also have a pair of B&W MM1s hooked up to my laptop, and that’s a good listening experience, too. The Z2 and my modem/router dropped the connection so often, I wouldn’t turn it on after a point, and I ended up selling it, too. And I’ve been thinking about a replacement for some time. So when B&W had a 15% off sale this month, I ordered a pair of 607s, my experiences at the lower end of their range having been so positive, sonically speaking. But when you said what you said, Kristi, it went straight to my heart, my brain, my ears. Non posso farlo un’altra volta. I couldn’t do it again! And when what you both had to say today in your re-review didn’t change that much, I felt heartened I’d chosen the Atoms-which seem to have doubled in size-instead. They may not be the last word in detail, but with them, I am listening to the music, not the speakers. Thanks again.
My experience wasn't really switching rooms but building a second system in a different room. My first system in this house is in the living room which is... a mess for audio. It has hardwood floors, is open to the kitchen, it has an open staircase, and it is way off center because of the way the room is laid out. All of this made me rely on using a minidsp shd with Dirac to correct for low frequencies (which were very boomy) and time domain issues. My second system is in a nearly golden ratio room with carpeted floors. It is so much easier to get speakers to sound right in this room, and I was able to do some minor room treatment (bass traps). It is a night and day difference. No booming, a wider soundstage, and a much more focused center image. It is nice to have the two rooms to see how much the room can change a speaker's sound.
I hope that you do this for the amps that you reviewed, particularly the NAD M33. However good on you for doing this, it just continues to speak to your high integrity. Great work.
Would you guys consider shooting a tutorial of using REW to measure the room response? I think it would be great and allow many to understand what their room sounds like. I have almost the exact same room layout as you guys have, man that big open space to the right of the room is a challenge! I DIYed a room divider to help out
@@KristiWright how about reviewing the NAD C658 Dac/preamp. As far as I know is the only streamer/Dac/preamp that is made for stereo but also includes Dirac live room correction built in. More user friendly room correction than using REW. Just a suggestion...
Paul Klipsch wrote a paper on the position of horn loaded speakers and in that he recommended crossing the streams in front of the listener. I did this and noticed a softening of the top end. Love your channel.
The room is the most significant component of your sound. Full Stop! Your experience in setting up systems goes a long way to trying to get the sound that you want, and how much effort you put into it makes all the difference. Being able to do anything you want with the room to change your sound is a blessing.... But there are a lot of people who can't do much about the room.
Agree on all accounts, which is why in our latest room I knew we had to treat it, but wanted to do as little as possible to make it right. In our old room, we stuck with what I felt was a better facsimile of what everyday consumers would face. While I know that ticked-off many in the hifi community (especially folks in the press and on TH-cam) but I felt it made our content MORE relatable, because, as you said, not everyone can treat their room.
Thank you! I've been wondering/hoping you would revisit previously reviewed speakers in your new place. Outstanding as always and keep up the great work.
Thank you so much for making this video! The behavior of a room is something that your brain can easily just 'adapt' to, which prevents most people from even believing that any room could make a speaker sound different. It's also worth noting that almost all of your impressions IMROVED with the move, which is another convincing argument for proper room acoustics across the board.
Room and placement. I'm still learning, but this has been my mantra. My room is very live and untreated right now. I know it needs some help, but I already know that I don't want to kill the reverb completely. I am losing some detail now and have some room modes, but the sound is still great. Looking forward to some delicately placed diffusion and absorption to dial in further. And a nice thick rug to tie the room together. Lol
Room makes a huge difference. I lived with Snell E-II's for quite a while...until my room became dead (heavy drapes...bigger furniture). I went Klipsch Heresy then Cornwall. However I happened on some Infinity Overture 1's and my spouse said that they could compete with the Corns. I made it my business to get a good pair of P-FR's...those infinities fit the room...all of them.
It took time, but we weren't nervous to hit publish. These things are what they are. There is no shame in changing one's mind or in being wrong. If I'm wrong, I admit it and do what I can to correct it. As a commentator of anything, it's important that we don't believe our word or opinion is gospel. Thanks so much for watching!
I purchased the Klipsch Heresy IV's and your review aided me in that decision. They arrive tomorrow and will be replacing a pair of Polk Audio Polk Audio RTi A7 ($539.99/pair). Im looking forward to receiving them and will be powering them with a Yamaha A-S801 Integrated amp.
I'd be curious how the Magnat Transpuls 1500 may differ in sound in the new room as they seemed to have a good bang for the buck. However, given their size and mass, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make the journey (and it appears as if they are now out of stock on Magnat's website). Definitely an interesting perspective! I think the worst (most memorable?) experience I had in shifting spaces was deejayin at a venue and on one song hearing the bass vanish! After additional research later, I determined that the tune had been mixed in such a way with little to no low end reverb, and presumably the speakers at the venue had been wired out of phase, and thus the baseline phase cancelled itself (or so I was able to postulate with another musician friend of mine and some plugins to simulate such conditions). Albeit, they weren't my own speakers, but deejays are often at the whims of a venue to "get things right" though I added some tools to my belt should I encounter such a situation again and will hopefully be able to at least minorly mitigate, if not fully correct such room deficiencies.
Any opinion on the Eltax Monitor PWR 1959? Enthusiast "nicoastyle hifiman" has posted several different "battles", etc., about them (en français, sorry, english captions not available I don't think), often alongside the Magnats, but I'm searching for other perspectives as well, especially regarding soundstage & imaging. No in-store listening nearby... Merci!
Love my MA Silvers. Although I'm far from an audiophile and only have experience with half a dozen speakers to compare them with. They sounded the best to me in the Audio showroom store I bought them from and they were a British company so that sold me, as easier for warranty and parts.
Thanks for this review. I am considering the sonus faber lumina 2’s and so your additions to your original comments were helpful, and I respect you all the more for that. Btw, your new room looks a picture and you both should be very proud of yourselves!
Loved the “re-review” off all those speakers. Awesome review, and I love the Chris comments, nice to have an other point of view. And one interesting thing is how room change the final result, and how some speakers interact more than others. I guess the cabinet front baffle play a big rule on that interaction.
I’m in the process of building a new home. This review is what I needed to hear. I’ve been holding off on buying new gear until I move in. It’s great to re-review !!! Keep up the great work you two ! Thank you
With real estate and speaker placement, it’s location, location, location. I’m about to move from one apartment to another and will go through this experimentation again soon. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I have a pair of 3-way towers, some years ago I modified the passive crossover to be 2-way between the tweeter and mid driver, then I modified the input panel to allow me to biamp and externally crossover between the hi/mid and low frequency drivers. This made a HUGE improvement in the overall sound of the speakers. Using a miniDSP to do the crossover for the biamp stage, I was also able to tune the speakers to the room using RTA software and the parametric EQ in the DSP. Later I moved to a different apartment and thought I'd need to retune the cabinets, but I didn't, they still sounded great in the new space. 3 years after that I moved again into a house this time and thought well maybe this time I should retune them for the space, after a good listen I decided to leave them alone, they still sounded great and still sounded like they did in the first apartment. If it isn't broke, don't fix it they say.
I really appreciate your videos, most especially this one. I, too have recently moved house and although I knew about the room impact on SQ, I only got to experience it first hand recently. It was so obvious. Moving into a larger living space required a lot more work to dial in the sound to my taste. It’s the thing we love, so we do it. Thanks!
Love your content! I have a question about bass? 20 or so years ago, I went to the home of a friends grandparents. We were hanging out and she suggested we play some music and she walked me over to the stereo. It looked like a nice system, but I didn’t really think much of it. I played Modest Mouse’s “Good News for People Who Love Bad News”. I was floored. Everything sounded better. The bass was especially articulate - to the point that I felt like I was back in high school band listening to the instructor play electric bass. I had heard the album countless times through my Advent As2 towers and 15”Cerwin Vega sub. I’ve since built a better system, but I have never heard speakers do what that system 20 years ago did. I’ve spent time in hi-fi stores listening to speakers and systems that cost more than my house. These 6 figure systems still weren’t doing what I remembered. What am I doing wrong with this? Is it that hard to get accurate and live sounding bass guitar? For the life of me, I can’t remember what those speakers were. I’ve played that same album in demos and it’s just not the same.
It's a great idea to revisit any opinion. I think a room is a part of the the listening experience, and I'm glad you include yours in your evaluation of a speaker. you guys continue to impress .
I really like how you and Kristy give your opinions. The biggest change was when I went from Klipsh Synergy bottom firing subs with rear ports on bass platforms to 2 SVS PB2000-pro front firing ports. Compliments my system very well and a whole lot less vibration. I am using SVS isolation pads.
Pretty fantastic video. Very interesting. Sounds like the KLH fared the best. However you came about knowing the way to treat the room I think it must sound good, but definitely looks awesome. As time goes by I’d be curious if Maggie’s bounce of the wall in a good way. In any event, I love the comparisons.
Used to have a pair of LS35As and they sounded good in my basement room. One day I played them in my double garage with an open peaked ceiling. A lot of cubicle yards. It sounded like different speakers, more like the music was happening in real space and all the different sounds had a more natural weight. Just wish I could make my stereo room work that well.
Moved cross-country. Used to have a huge open floor plan main level with 20’ vaulted ceilings and I LOVED my Definitive Technology BP20s. I spent 3 months trying to find a listenable position in the new space, which is still wide open but only 10’ ceilings, and finally gave up, dumped and replaced with B&O BeoLab 8000s which sound spectacular.
I value your opinion Andrew and Kristi's. Glad you added the room treatment. Now Danny and GR-Research may give you a pair of his speakers to try......maybe the NX-Otica.....lol.
It's all about preference and presentation. If everyone hates the KLH MODEL 5'S I absolutely still love them. Partnering of equipment and room acoustic is key ✌
The reason why the KLH’s sound signature was largely unchanged even in your new space is because it’s a sealed design - as you noted - but also because of that massive front baffle. It means the drivers are mostly interacting with the cabinet, not the room. Most speaker manufacturers abandoned large baffles after the 1980s, which avoided a lot of issues they caused, but also dramatically increased speakers’ reliance on placement within a room.
@@oldestpunkinargentina7766 The drivers are interacting with the front of the speaker itself instead of their surroundings - especially the wall behind them. Designers actually moved away from wide front baffles by the ‘90s - we knew even back in the late ‘70s that narrow front baffles and rigid column designs made for better fidelity by providing a better, less reactive environment for the drivers. It just took awhile for tastes to change - consumers resisted the new designs, which also made it difficult to include large (front facing) woofers, which were also popular in the ‘70s and ‘80s.
Agree on that. A Cornwall 4 review would be awesome. Also compared to the Heresy 4 and Forte 4.. And even better (because no one has done this video) Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4. This is high on my "wishlist"
I have to agree, I moved the hersey's from my father's large reflective room to my carpeted, furnished and DIY "treated" and the PA nature of the speaker calmed down a lot and I found the speaker much more full bodied and pleasant.
Hi Andrew and Kristi, I have the Heresy IVs and I acknowledge all of your comments as truth. The one aspect I don't recall you mentioning but something that does influence their sonic character, is the humidity level. We moved from a moderately humid location to a lower than average location and the sound was definitely influenced by the same. As such, I notice on rainy days that the entire spectrum is much more present, full, and warmer, while on low humidity days much less so across the board. Not to say the sound is unbecoming on low humidity days...quite the contrary. It's just that the large swings in humidity from low to high to low again is much more palpable living in a semi-arid clime than when I was not. Based upon the hints you've provided, I assume you now live in a similarly lower than average humidity location. Would be interesting for you to compare and contrast between the two extremes (normal lower humidity compared to rainy day hunidity) to see if you agree. As a revealing speaker. the Heresy IVs certainly reveal these differences as effortlessly as they do poorly recorded music relative to well recorded music. Love the new room!
A perfect story of room changes. Years ago my son bought a pair of AR 9's based on my recommendation. Especially since i promised him incredible low end. He was disappointed! He had more than enough power with good electronics and sources. But real lows just did not develop. I told him it was because he was in a typical Midwest 50's home with a relatively small living room. It was not possible for low frequencies to develop because of wavelength needed. He move a few years later to a place with still a small to modest but almost down the size living room. He was much happier even though only the room changed. Nothing in his system. He just bought a nice big house with an open concept living/ dining room with cathedral ceilings. Same basic electronics and speakers. He is blown away with what they can do when in a room that can handle them. To the extent that he set the switches on the crossover back to flat from the -3db he had been using on the mid and highs to boost the low end. And now that he can get further from the drivers, they blend much better. He just stopped planning on replacing them the change was so dramatic.
I bought lumina V from your review. I always feel something is off. I tweak this and there like change cables and but acoustic panel and qrd. It gets better. And last week i bought klipsch r820f. However despise which one better. I am more enjoying listen to klipsch with very loud volume 😅
New space ,new variable people tend to forget that speakers play the room . In all reality there are no real bad speakers anymore (within said price classes we dabble with) it's more a matter of , does it fit the room , acoustics , size , what not. I am sure Andrew is aware of it too, it's just another video on the list of many
It's good to have you back. You can't get something wrong if you give an honest opinion. Different amp or room could change an honest opinion. If you and Kristi ever review the new Primaluna hybrid EV300 integrated and hook it up to the Heresy IV, you'll get that sound back and more. I've heard it and it's a real game-changer.
It is so cool that you and your wife have such a bad ass hobby together. I am loving listening to your experiences with speakers and audio gear. Great channel! Good energy to you and you endeavors.
Even in the TH-cam videos watched on my iPhone 12 I can hear a difference in the room from before treatment and after, even before the move and after. It’s a bit drier now. Assuming this isn’t all in post ;-) I also really appreciate that you went back to check a few reviews. Shows integrity. Good stuff. I am finding your journey through room correction is very engaging content. You are living the trope about room, then speakers, then the rest of the chain. It’s inspiring, actually.
Since many of us will never be "treating" our living rooms or wherever we listen, your original review was probably closer to what we will actually hear. That's not to say that I personally won't conduct room correction for speakers using Dirac or similar, however, springing for sound absorption is out of the question a. My wife would flip out and b. we move around every 5 years give or take. Cost prohibitive. I will still buy the Lumina II though 🙂
I would like to try out the new Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g speakers, they have 8in bass drivers be good for impact with movies & music. Monitor Audio usually good with detail too. Good pairing would be with Arcam, which is my favourite best sounding audio equipment
Congratulations to you and Kristi on the new home. Glad you’ve pretty much figured out the room and how certain gear sounds in it. It’s all about tuning your system to suit your tastes in your new room. Best of luck to you both. You truly seem like quality people. 🙂🔊✌️🎶
Omg. I just got up and was ruminating about how lately I am struggling with getting my speakers to sound good in my room. And I swear I thought of you guys in the new place and if you are having the same struggle and I see this. Ha No I’m no clairvoyant. But it was funny to see this vid as soon as I opened TH-cam. I have a pair of Proac DT8 floorstanders and in my room which is 12’ length by 17 width ( I have to set the up on the long wall) . I am having trouble getting my speakers more that 6.5 feet apart from each other without loosing volume from the phantom center. My sitting place is around 8 feet away. The front wall is 2/3 into the room so the left speaker doesn’t really have a wall behind it. Do you think the reason my center image falls apart a bit is my room? Pardon for the long winded response. PS Also tell Kristi that Floyd Toole said in his book that we get used to our rooms after awhile , so both of your ‘ears’ will adjust to the new rooms sound. 😊
I'm a little disappointed you didn't mention the Warfedale Lintons. I honestly couldn't believe that speaker made "speaker of year" in your reviews. In my room they lacked detail and presence. The mids were nice but the treble was grainy and lacking. It's competition was the Kef R3's which I kept. My thoughts were "how can he like that." They weren't awful in my room, they just didn't give a vibe that they were a high end speaker. Interesting video. I'm as guilty as anyone. If it doesn't sound good in my room "it's the equipments fault." Thanks for the hard work you and Kristi do. Your reviews come off so polished.
That is why it's always best to take a reviewers opinion with a little grain of salt since speakers will ALWAYS sound different since our rooms are different. The single biggest factor in a how speaker sounds is one's room. So a speaker might sound great in reviewer's space won't necessarily sound great in your room. The only one true way to know is to test that speaker in your OWN room.
Thank you for reminding us of a fact I like to forget everytime i listen at friends and acquaintances homes. Every speaker will sound different in every room.
Not trying to beat them up, but Kristi was right in knowing the question many of you would ask. So asked and once again answered, I guess. Thanks for watching!
Love your videos Andrew. Because of you I have an amazing pair of RP-8000Fs. And they sound spectacular in our living room. I typically turn off the Klipsch subwoofer when not watching movies. The other day I was jamming some tunes and thought, "oops, I must have left the sub on." So I check and sure enough...it is OFF. Yeah, these speakers are definitely killing the 22 year old Bose Acoustimass they replaced.
I don't have to move rooms, just moving the speakers a couple of inches can totally change the tonality of a speaker. Too much toe-in can make a speaker very bright sounding and moving a stand mounted speaker up or down can make a speaker bright or dull sounding. Your average problem room, though, usually aggravates in the 60Hz to 70Hz region.
We did not hang on to them, but that is NOT a knock against them. Our pair were the first all-black pair and they needed to make the rounds to other reviewers.
Would it be possible to show the measurements that you have taken for a speaker you are evaluating? For Example, it would probably be much easier to see, as you said, that the KLH model 5 measured flat and the B&W very much did not.
Ahh the room. I think that most people really don’t take the room into consideration and spend money chasing a better sound. The treatments you installed has helped and understanding your room measurements will give us all who are consistent viewers more of a reason to keep watching this channel. I will be look back to your room treatment video and pickup a mic to also understand my room characteristics. Thanks a million.
Alas, is there then, no such thing as a 'perfect' product reviewer?! Oh fie. You did get the M8xi and the 936 K2 absolutely correct though, and I think, many others!!! Thanks for your help, in guiding my purchases.
Andrew you may know more than most! However the end result is an opinion & that opinion based on circumstance (time / place etc) can change. It boils down to wether People value an another persons opinion or ultimately want to develop there own! Keep up the reviews I enjoy the content.
Good video, rooms do matter… In regards to the KLH, the game changer for me after figuring out placement and sub matching, was moving from the Delta Sigma DACs to the R2R Ladder, mainly the Denafrips Ares II with the Iris DDC. Analog bliss with zero fatigue. Totally transformed the listening experience.
I understand where you are coming from and as you get older you are affected by changes to your hearing and if you follow the required discipline of listening to music without using tone controls then you come to understand that it's the room that is "wrong" and you begin to rearrange the furniture looking for a way make things sound like you remember which is not necessarily better because few people have perfect auditory memory. This leads to spending money for new equipment to fit your change in your hearing or moving. I am glad to see that you were able to recognize the need for a better listening space and to act upon it.
"something truly special" reminds me of the Klipsch employee who allegedly moved house to be able to have Ak6s in her living room. Now that's dedication. Also love the Model 5. Very forgiving of room and placement. Do I spot a Marantz 40n connected to those B&W speakers?
The Model 5’s are incredibly forgiving, and paired with the right DAC are darn near a forever speaker, they are that good. Put it this way, the longer I own them the happier I become regarding the purchase.
@@michaelwright1602 they're very good value for the quality offered. They rock with the latest Technics G700 mk2 digital amp. Which is kinda funny when you think these are 2 retro looking products with bang up to date production.
In total, the KLH are the most traditional in design. I think there are better used speakers you can still get for a third of the price on ebay, if you are attracted to the KLHs. One is Roger Sounds Labs 3600 or 3800. The 3800s have a dome tweeter, and a 4.5 inch midrange, 12 inch woofer, with a 93 db efficiency at 1 watt. The KLH on the other hand is a 10 inch with a 90.5 db senitivity. The driver placement is exactly the same. In fact the KLH is based on an legacy design of theirs from 1968, which proves the durability of this design. As to room dynamics, when I was doing some sound reinforcement, I would walk the room to hear each area. The coloring of the room is what makes h-fi fun, btw. I do like the wood details in your setting, which both act as dampening as well as tuning, and they make a great focal point. Arrrggghhh, I've been watching too much HGTV, lol. (Do you want to love it, or do you want to list it? 😁 )You did a marvelous job on this place. Congrats. Interesting about your better half's remarks re: the Klipsch. Very revealing about the B&Ws.
Hello Mr Andrew, the other thing that i notice when i test speakers, is that they sound Better when you put your amp speakers settings as large speakers Full Range, and in pure direct without the Subwoofer, Because if you use the Crossover You Are Limiting the power to the speakers.
A Klipsch surprise? Hmm...Getting yourself your very own pair of LaScala, maybe?...or a set of new Jubilee to review? Rent across the country's shot up down here in Australia so I've settled on just upgrading the headphone/DAC/amp setup for now and the full system's on the back burner, but would love a short re-review of the Magnats in your new space.
Andrew, enjoy your vlogs. Not only are they educational but informative as well. But, could you please explain what you mean when you say, “the sound is or is not forward or neutral.” Thanks, Chris
I'm pleased with this direction of Re-review, as it addresses how changes in electronics and rooms has an impact on sound. Two speakers I currently own shifted in my preferences due to a room change. It was not subtle, even as I know from experience that they are both awesome to me.
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Did you move to Nashville?
@@martinvegas1327 Nope.
@@martinvegas1327 I used to live in Nashville (some years ago).
@@zachariahadams I miss conversation pits.
Did I tell you guys (Rob and Kris) that I love ya and you are *My Favorite Couples Audiophiliacs Critics* & _I can't wait till RICKY and DAVID become parts of the show._
.... I'm kidding and using a very very very old t.v. show for effect, "Ozzie and Harriet Show"
Anybody who is willing to challenge their own previous opinions based on new information is right by me. I really appreciate you guys revisiting old reviews and helping us understand new things in the process. Right on you two
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The room is everything! I bought LS50's and thought they were absolute garbage until I treated my room. The change in sound signature was immense after adding carpet, heavy curtains, and GIK Acoustic panels to my room. I thought I had to upgrade to a more expensive speaker to get the sound I wanted, when in reality it was my room that needed an "upgrade".
The majority I'd say 80% of it, is getting your speakers and room to play well together. Once you have that; a good source, amp and preamp will cover the other 20%.
Absolutely agree
The room makes all the difference. My buddies and I host a monthly vinyl night at a local brewery. The first time we did it I brought the equipment from my home listening room (e.g., AB amp with no tone controls, horn-loaded full-range loudspeakers, etc.). The concrete floors, open rafter ceiling, and tile walls at the brewery caused my system to sound terrible. Now when we host vinyl night we bring old class D amps, bookshelf speakers, and a subwoofer. We're able to tailor the sound to the room much better, and I don't have to dismantle my listening room once a month :-).
Love this video for two reasons: the new transition music is sweet! Second, I really like that you all are talking more about room influence on the acoustics and making a video comparing a few speakers in your former space and the new space. Great concept for a video and the new room is sharp as hell by the way!
Our pleasure!
Humble request: could you do a video on linearity, frequency response, bass definition, treble harshness, warm vs cold vs forward vs neutral sound? These terms have been popping up more frequently in your videos, and I kinda get what you’re saying, but don’t have the technical background. Would LOVE if you could make a beginners video on this aspect of the hobby.
My wife and I moved two years ago. I own the Micca RB42's and Yamaha A-S301 integrated. The attack in the kick drum lost some energy in the new place but the overall character is exactly the same. God, I just love the way this system sounds in my room. My wife feels the same way. She is surely becoming an audiophile. Great job as usual.
After auditioning both the KLH 5's and Wharfedale Lintons, I was surprised to find some cymbals missing on a jazz cut from the Wharfedale. The cymbals were barely struck but audible on the KLH but not so on the Wharfedale. It was ever so slight in sound on the recording but that missing detail on the Linton prompted me to be won over by the 5's. Good review as always.
If Andrew and Kristi broke in the B&W 606 S2 AE, I believe their opinion of the speaker would change. I have owned these speakers for almost a year and absolutely love them. Yes, I have to agree that they are very sensitive to what room you place them in and what amp you pair them with. If you get the right combination, they sound amazing!
I love your videos. I don’t just watch and listen to them, I study them. Always anxious for a new one to come out. I wouldn’t dare buy a piece of equipment or a speaker until you review it. And I absolutely love the wood slats on the wall. Dual purpose concept. Well done.
Wow, thank you!
I think the KLH Model 5s are very special. I understand your recommendation of the Linton's took into consideration that the Linton's are less alive, especially at low volumes. I do a lot of late-night listening, and for me, the revealing nature of the speaker means it takes less volume to hear the detail. If I do turn it up, it is definitely revealing and an enjoyable experience. I am sure the Model 7 will be better, but it costs lots more. I understood your reasoning then, and your follow-up review also didn't seem happy about them. It was like you begrudgingly had to say, good speakers. What I love is how they reveal the music and the performance.
Definitely how your room set up makes a massive change to sound. I recently had new flooring in my room my stereo system is, removing carpet. Now the sound bounces around the room
That room looks stunning. What a drastic change in the new house vs. the previous one. Cheers!
We are really happy with how it turned out. Thank you for tuning in!
Andrew and Kristy. You have my respect for posting on this subject and being ready to challenge your conclusions now that you've completed the new listening space. Being ready to say I got it wrong/or right, publicly in a balanced manner requires guts, although I would possibly post the changes that have been noticed as you've done. I simply couldn't do this because my audio memory is not good enough. Keep on keeping on both, I love your posts.
I’m not a audiophile but love my music after watching many reviews and many of yours I purchased nr1200 and monitor silver 100 and love the whole set up. Easy punchy fun and the louder it goes the better it sounds. Love not beating myself up about is there something better all the time. Thank you for your reviews
Heresy's are just absolutely amazing! Yeah, they are certainly not a "neutral" speaker. But, my God, they are the most fun speakers I've ever had! Glad to see you got them dialed in. Also, glad to see you guys have gotten things set up in the new space. Stay well, you two!
Great concept love this type of content! I think an initial review / impressions vs long term revision are always helpful. I’ve always been impressed with speakers like B&W after initial demos but when I actually spend time with them the spicy tweets can get old quickly. Perceived initial resolution quickly fades to hey look at me type of treble presentation. At least for my preferences.
Andrew I really appreciate you going back to test your old opinions. You’re absolutely right, the room is the biggest change for a speaker. So much respect for you going back and checking yourself!! You are one of the most honest reviewers I know. I would love to see a Polk L600 review from you in your new space, as I have owned a lot of different speakers and these blow me away with an Emotiva amp, no matter what room I try them in. Yes they are definitely power hungry and a high end (or $1500 sweet spot) receiver does not bring these speakers fully to life. Or even the Polk R700’s in this new space. I have owned KEF, wharfedale, Klipsch, and now I’m hooked on the Polk’s solid performance and build quality all around (L600😉) And yes I have owned older Polk’s as well, including the previous legendary series. I agree that the large legendary towers are complete overkill for a normal living room. Maybe they would be cool in a home movie theater? Not for me.
Thanks for this video, Andrew and Kristi. I discovered you the day after I ordered a pair of the B&W 607s from Crutchfield. Kristi, what you had to say about your experience listening to Alanis Morissette on them was almost word for word my experience listening to Linda Ronstadt (among others) on the Matrix 805s when I bought them 25 years ago. So I canceled my order, and I am very glad I did. I thank you.
I ended up with a pair of the current Paradigm Atoms. I owned a pair of the v.2 from 2000 to 2016, and I enjoyed them. I only sold them because I’d bought a B&W Z2 wireless speaker around 2010, the sound of which gave me the best listening experience of my life. (Early in the oughts, I acquired tinnitus, and nearfield became my only enjoyable listening experience.) I also have a pair of B&W MM1s hooked up to my laptop, and that’s a good listening experience, too.
The Z2 and my modem/router dropped the connection so often, I wouldn’t turn it on after a point, and I ended up selling it, too. And I’ve been thinking about a replacement for some time. So when B&W had a 15% off sale this month, I ordered a pair of 607s, my experiences at the lower end of their range having been so positive, sonically speaking.
But when you said what you said, Kristi, it went straight to my heart, my brain, my ears. Non posso farlo un’altra volta. I couldn’t do it again! And when what you both had to say today in your re-review didn’t change that much, I felt heartened I’d chosen the Atoms-which seem to have doubled in size-instead. They may not be the last word in detail, but with them, I am listening to the music, not the speakers.
Thanks again.
My experience wasn't really switching rooms but building a second system in a different room. My first system in this house is in the living room which is... a mess for audio. It has hardwood floors, is open to the kitchen, it has an open staircase, and it is way off center because of the way the room is laid out. All of this made me rely on using a minidsp shd with Dirac to correct for low frequencies (which were very boomy) and time domain issues. My second system is in a nearly golden ratio room with carpeted floors. It is so much easier to get speakers to sound right in this room, and I was able to do some minor room treatment (bass traps). It is a night and day difference. No booming, a wider soundstage, and a much more focused center image. It is nice to have the two rooms to see how much the room can change a speaker's sound.
Sounds like a great A/B litmus test! Thanks for sharing!
I hope that you do this for the amps that you reviewed, particularly the NAD M33. However good on you for doing this, it just continues to speak to your high integrity. Great work.
Amazingly I’ve spent the last week image searching for silver 100 in light oak and solid steel stands to see how they look. So THANKS !
Would you guys consider shooting a tutorial of using REW to measure the room response? I think it would be great and allow many to understand what their room sounds like.
I have almost the exact same room layout as you guys have, man that big open space to the right of the room is a challenge!
I DIYed a room divider to help out
Andrew has plans for something like this in the near future.
@@KristiWright how about reviewing the NAD C658 Dac/preamp. As far as I know is the only streamer/Dac/preamp that is made for stereo but also includes Dirac live room correction built in. More user friendly room correction than using REW. Just a suggestion...
Paul Klipsch wrote a paper on the position of horn loaded speakers and in that he recommended crossing the streams in front of the listener.
I did this and noticed a softening of the top end. Love your channel.
The room is the most significant component of your sound. Full Stop!
Your experience in setting up systems goes a long way to trying to get the sound that you want, and how much effort you put into it makes all the difference. Being able to do anything you want with the room to change your sound is a blessing.... But there are a lot of people who can't do much about the room.
Agree on all accounts, which is why in our latest room I knew we had to treat it, but wanted to do as little as possible to make it right. In our old room, we stuck with what I felt was a better facsimile of what everyday consumers would face. While I know that ticked-off many in the hifi community (especially folks in the press and on TH-cam) but I felt it made our content MORE relatable, because, as you said, not everyone can treat their room.
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Thank you! I've been wondering/hoping you would revisit previously reviewed speakers in your new place. Outstanding as always and keep up the great work.
Great idea guys by revisiting your old speakers. It's amazing how treating your room makes a world of difference. Great job!!!
Thank you so much for making this video! The behavior of a room is something that your brain can easily just 'adapt' to, which prevents most people from even believing that any room could make a speaker sound different.
It's also worth noting that almost all of your impressions IMROVED with the move, which is another convincing argument for proper room acoustics across the board.
Room and placement. I'm still learning, but this has been my mantra. My room is very live and untreated right now. I know it needs some help, but I already know that I don't want to kill the reverb completely. I am losing some detail now and have some room modes, but the sound is still great. Looking forward to some delicately placed diffusion and absorption to dial in further.
And a nice thick rug to tie the room together. Lol
Room makes a huge difference. I lived with Snell E-II's for quite a while...until my room became dead (heavy drapes...bigger furniture). I went Klipsch Heresy then Cornwall. However I happened on some Infinity Overture 1's and my spouse said that they could compete with the Corns. I made it my business to get a good pair of P-FR's...those infinities fit the room...all of them.
It must have taken some courage to publish this video. It shows how intellectually honest you both are. Well done.
It took time, but we weren't nervous to hit publish. These things are what they are. There is no shame in changing one's mind or in being wrong. If I'm wrong, I admit it and do what I can to correct it. As a commentator of anything, it's important that we don't believe our word or opinion is gospel. Thanks so much for watching!
I’m currently building a home. This re-review has me so excited about purchasing the Model 5s.
I purchased the Klipsch Heresy IV's and your review aided me in that decision. They arrive tomorrow and will be replacing a pair of Polk Audio Polk Audio RTi A7 ($539.99/pair). Im looking forward to receiving them and will be powering them with a Yamaha A-S801 Integrated amp.
Enjoy!!
I'd be curious how the Magnat Transpuls 1500 may differ in sound in the new room as they seemed to have a good bang for the buck. However, given their size and mass, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make the journey (and it appears as if they are now out of stock on Magnat's website). Definitely an interesting perspective! I think the worst (most memorable?) experience I had in shifting spaces was deejayin at a venue and on one song hearing the bass vanish! After additional research later, I determined that the tune had been mixed in such a way with little to no low end reverb, and presumably the speakers at the venue had been wired out of phase, and thus the baseline phase cancelled itself (or so I was able to postulate with another musician friend of mine and some plugins to simulate such conditions). Albeit, they weren't my own speakers, but deejays are often at the whims of a venue to "get things right" though I added some tools to my belt should I encounter such a situation again and will hopefully be able to at least minorly mitigate, if not fully correct such room deficiencies.
I wish we had kept them to be able to answer that question for you. It is highly unlikely we'll ever get them back.
Any opinion on the Eltax Monitor PWR 1959? Enthusiast "nicoastyle hifiman" has posted several different "battles", etc., about them (en français, sorry, english captions not available I don't think), often alongside the Magnats, but I'm searching for other perspectives as well, especially regarding soundstage & imaging. No in-store listening nearby... Merci!
Love my MA Silvers. Although I'm far from an audiophile and only have experience with half a dozen speakers to compare them with.
They sounded the best to me in the Audio showroom store I bought them from and they were a British company so that sold me, as easier for warranty and parts.
Thanks for this review. I am considering the sonus faber lumina 2’s and so your additions to your original comments were helpful, and I respect you all the more for that. Btw, your new room looks a picture and you both should be very proud of yourselves!
Well it’s like visiting a place you loved ages ago and see what’s changed or not changed since that time.
Loved the “re-review” off all those speakers. Awesome review, and I love the Chris comments, nice to have an other point of view. And one interesting thing is how room change the final result, and how some speakers interact more than others. I guess the cabinet front baffle play a big rule on that interaction.
I’m in the process of building a new home. This review is what I needed to hear. I’ve been holding off on buying new gear until I move in. It’s great to re-review !!! Keep up the great work you two ! Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
With real estate and speaker placement, it’s location, location, location. I’m about to move from one apartment to another and will go through this experimentation again soon. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Moving rooms can be the biggest upgrade (or downgrade). Enjoy the ride and thanks for watching!
I have a pair of 3-way towers, some years ago I modified the passive crossover to be 2-way between the tweeter and mid driver, then I modified the input panel to allow me to biamp and externally crossover between the hi/mid and low frequency drivers. This made a HUGE improvement in the overall sound of the speakers. Using a miniDSP to do the crossover for the biamp stage, I was also able to tune the speakers to the room using RTA software and the parametric EQ in the DSP. Later I moved to a different apartment and thought I'd need to retune the cabinets, but I didn't, they still sounded great in the new space. 3 years after that I moved again into a house this time and thought well maybe this time I should retune them for the space, after a good listen I decided to leave them alone, they still sounded great and still sounded like they did in the first apartment. If it isn't broke, don't fix it they say.
I really appreciate your videos, most especially this one. I, too have recently moved house and although I knew about the room impact on SQ, I only got to experience it first hand recently. It was so obvious. Moving into a larger living space required a lot more work to dial in the sound to my taste. It’s the thing we love, so we do it. Thanks!
Its been so interesting seeing a comparison between the different room environments!
Thank you so much, Daryl J! We appreciate you watching.
Love your content!
I have a question about bass?
20 or so years ago, I went to the home of a friends grandparents.
We were hanging out and she suggested we play some music and she walked me over to the stereo. It looked like a nice system, but I didn’t really think much of it.
I played Modest Mouse’s “Good News for People Who Love Bad News”. I was floored. Everything sounded better. The bass was especially articulate - to the point that I felt like I was back in high school band listening to the instructor play electric bass.
I had heard the album countless times through my Advent As2 towers and 15”Cerwin Vega sub.
I’ve since built a better system, but I have never heard speakers do what that system 20 years ago did. I’ve spent time in hi-fi stores listening to speakers and systems that cost more than my house. These 6 figure systems still weren’t doing what I remembered.
What am I doing wrong with this? Is it that hard to get accurate and live sounding bass guitar? For the life of me, I can’t remember what those speakers were.
I’ve played that same album in demos and it’s just not the same.
It's a great idea to revisit any opinion. I think a room is a part of the the listening experience, and I'm glad you include yours in your evaluation of a speaker. you guys continue to impress .
I really like how you and Kristy give your opinions. The biggest change was when I went from Klipsh Synergy bottom firing subs with rear ports on bass platforms to 2 SVS PB2000-pro front firing ports. Compliments my system very well and a whole lot less vibration. I am using SVS isolation pads.
Complements........unless of course the subs can talk. 😋
Neat approach: looking back on your reviews IN your NEW space! Great job. Love the space and I die for those walls.
Pretty fantastic video. Very interesting. Sounds like the KLH fared the best. However you came about knowing the way to treat the room I think it must sound good, but definitely looks awesome. As time goes by I’d be curious if Maggie’s bounce of the wall in a good way. In any event, I love the comparisons.
Used to have a pair of LS35As and they sounded good in my basement room. One day I played them in my double garage with an open peaked ceiling. A lot of cubicle yards. It sounded like different speakers, more like the music was happening in real space and all the different sounds had a more natural weight. Just wish I could make my stereo room work that well.
10:22 La Scala in the new room? It would be perfect 😇
Moved cross-country. Used to have a huge open floor plan main level with 20’ vaulted ceilings and I LOVED my Definitive Technology BP20s. I spent 3 months trying to find a listenable position in the new space, which is still wide open but only 10’ ceilings, and finally gave up, dumped and replaced with B&O BeoLab 8000s which sound spectacular.
I value your opinion Andrew and Kristi's. Glad you added the room treatment. Now Danny and GR-Research may give you a pair of his speakers to try......maybe the NX-Otica.....lol.
Kudos for revisiting each of these speakers!
It's all about preference and presentation. If everyone hates the KLH MODEL 5'S I absolutely still love them. Partnering of equipment and room acoustic is key ✌
It is largely about preference. Thanks for watching!
The reason why the KLH’s sound signature was largely unchanged even in your new space is because it’s a sealed design - as you noted - but also because of that massive front baffle. It means the drivers are mostly interacting with the cabinet, not the room. Most speaker manufacturers abandoned large baffles after the 1980s, which avoided a lot of issues they caused, but also dramatically increased speakers’ reliance on placement within a room.
So wider baffles = less room interaction ? How come ?
@@oldestpunkinargentina7766 The drivers are interacting with the front of the speaker itself instead of their surroundings - especially the wall behind them. Designers actually moved away from wide front baffles by the ‘90s - we knew even back in the late ‘70s that narrow front baffles and rigid column designs made for better fidelity by providing a better, less reactive environment for the drivers.
It just took awhile for tastes to change - consumers resisted the new designs, which also made it difficult to include large (front facing) woofers, which were also popular in the ‘70s and ‘80s.
Hoping for a Cornwall IV review. Great video that leverages your new space with old reviews. Thanks. What a great idea to do this!
Agree on that. A Cornwall 4 review would be awesome. Also compared to the Heresy 4 and Forte 4.. And even better (because no one has done this video) Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4. This is high on my "wishlist"
I have to agree, I moved the hersey's from my father's large reflective room to my carpeted, furnished and DIY "treated" and the PA nature of the speaker calmed down a lot and I found the speaker much more full bodied and pleasant.
Hi Andrew and Kristi, I have the Heresy IVs and I acknowledge all of your comments as truth. The one aspect I don't recall you mentioning but something that does influence their sonic character, is the humidity level. We moved from a moderately humid location to a lower than average location and the sound was definitely influenced by the same. As such, I notice on rainy days that the entire spectrum is much more present, full, and warmer, while on low humidity days much less so across the board. Not to say the sound is unbecoming on low humidity days...quite the contrary. It's just that the large swings in humidity from low to high to low again is much more palpable living in a semi-arid clime than when I was not. Based upon the hints you've provided, I assume you now live in a similarly lower than average humidity location. Would be interesting for you to compare and contrast between the two extremes (normal lower humidity compared to rainy day hunidity) to see if you agree. As a revealing speaker. the Heresy IVs certainly reveal these differences as effortlessly as they do poorly recorded music relative to well recorded music. Love the new room!
A perfect story of room changes. Years ago my son bought a pair of AR 9's based on my recommendation. Especially since i promised him incredible low end. He was disappointed! He had more than enough power with good electronics and sources. But real lows just did not develop. I told him it was because he was in a typical Midwest 50's home with a relatively small living room. It was not possible for low frequencies to develop because of wavelength needed.
He move a few years later to a place with still a small to modest but almost down the size living room. He was much happier even though only the room changed. Nothing in his system.
He just bought a nice big house with an open concept living/ dining room with cathedral ceilings. Same basic electronics and speakers. He is blown away with what they can do when in a room that can handle them. To the extent that he set the switches on the crossover back to flat from the -3db he had been using on the mid and highs to boost the low end. And now that he can get further from the drivers, they blend much better. He just stopped planning on replacing them the change was so dramatic.
I bought lumina V from your review. I always feel something is off. I tweak this and there like change cables and but acoustic panel and qrd. It gets better. And last week i bought klipsch r820f. However despise which one better. I am more enjoying listen to klipsch with very loud volume 😅
Now i use cxa81 and sf lumina v and klipsch r820f
Love this concept video. Also kudos on how much better you sound in the same space. Incredible.
New space ,new variable people tend to forget that speakers play the room .
In all reality there are no real bad speakers anymore (within said price classes we dabble with) it's more a matter of , does it fit the room , acoustics , size , what not.
I am sure Andrew is aware of it too, it's just another video on the list of many
It's good to have you back. You can't get something wrong if you give an honest opinion. Different amp or room could change an honest opinion. If you and Kristi ever review the new Primaluna hybrid EV300 integrated and hook it up to the Heresy IV, you'll get that sound back and more. I've heard it and it's a real game-changer.
Curious to hear how your Lintons faired in your new space. Have a feeling they might be too big and wooly sounding in my tiny living room.
They did not make the trip. Sadly, they had to be sent back.
Oh darn, was looking forward to the ‘speaker of the year’ re-review.
@@jimmyt8535 Yeah, it's a bummer for sure.
Would've loved to hear about the Magnats again
It is so cool that you and your wife have such a bad ass hobby together. I am loving listening to your experiences with speakers and audio gear. Great channel! Good energy to you and you endeavors.
Even in the TH-cam videos watched on my iPhone 12 I can hear a difference in the room from before treatment and after, even before the move and after. It’s a bit drier now. Assuming this isn’t all in post ;-)
I also really appreciate that you went back to check a few reviews. Shows integrity. Good stuff.
I am finding your journey through room correction is very engaging content. You are living the trope about room, then speakers, then the rest of the chain. It’s inspiring, actually.
Since many of us will never be "treating" our living rooms or wherever we listen, your original review was probably closer to what we will actually hear. That's not to say that I personally won't conduct room correction for speakers using Dirac or similar, however, springing for sound absorption is out of the question a. My wife would flip out and b. we move around every 5 years give or take. Cost prohibitive. I will still buy the Lumina II though 🙂
My family grew up with KLH 5 series driven by a tube amp. Wish that I appreciated it more when I was young.
I would like to try out the new Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g speakers, they have 8in bass drivers be good for impact with movies & music.
Monitor Audio usually good with detail too.
Good pairing would be with Arcam, which is my favourite best sounding audio equipment
That whole line is pretty great!
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Are the Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g speakers hard to drive?
Need to get the LaScalas back. Once you hear them in your new space, bet they don't go back...lol
You never know what might make an appearance 😉
Kristi, welcome to the “all I know is that I know nothing” club. Shout out to Plato.
Pretty much.
Try the NHT C-3 speakers. You'll also need at least 50+ watts the speaker represents very well. Great detail, sweet treble response and solid mid bass
Congratulations to you and Kristi on the new home. Glad you’ve pretty much figured out the room and how certain gear sounds in it. It’s all about tuning your system to suit your tastes in your new room. Best of luck to you both. You truly seem like quality people. 🙂🔊✌️🎶
Omg. I just got up and was ruminating about how lately I am struggling with getting my speakers to sound good in my room. And I swear I thought of you guys in the new place and if you are having the same struggle and I see this. Ha
No I’m no clairvoyant.
But it was funny to see this vid as soon as I opened TH-cam.
I have a pair of Proac DT8 floorstanders and in my room which is 12’ length by 17 width ( I have to set the up on the long wall) . I am having trouble getting my speakers more that 6.5 feet apart from each other without loosing volume from the phantom center. My sitting place is around 8 feet away.
The front wall is 2/3 into the room so the left speaker doesn’t really have a wall behind it.
Do you think the reason my center image falls apart a bit is my room?
Pardon for the long winded response.
PS Also tell Kristi that Floyd Toole said in his book that we get used to our rooms after awhile , so both of your ‘ears’ will adjust to the new rooms sound. 😊
I'm a little disappointed you didn't mention the Warfedale Lintons. I honestly couldn't believe that speaker made "speaker of year" in your reviews. In my room they lacked detail and presence. The mids were nice but the treble was grainy and lacking. It's competition was the Kef R3's which I kept. My thoughts were "how can he like that." They weren't awful in my room, they just didn't give a vibe that they were a high end speaker.
Interesting video. I'm as guilty as anyone. If it doesn't sound good in my room "it's the equipments fault." Thanks for the hard work you and Kristi do. Your reviews come off so polished.
"lacked... presents"
Hopefully they bring you gifts next time. ;)
@@BB.......... damn spell check 😄
That is why it's always best to take a reviewers opinion with a little grain of salt since speakers will ALWAYS sound different since our rooms are different. The single biggest factor in a how speaker sounds is one's room. So a speaker might sound great in reviewer's space won't necessarily sound great in your room. The only one true way to know is to test that speaker in your OWN room.
Thank you for reminding us of a fact I like to forget everytime i listen at friends and acquaintances homes. Every speaker will sound different in every room.
Great video. Bowers and Wilkins was looking at this video with anticipation then collectively sighed..d@mn 😞. Lol
Not trying to beat them up, but Kristi was right in knowing the question many of you would ask. So asked and once again answered, I guess. Thanks for watching!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews This is very true. Your criticism is honest and can only help them build a better product.
Love your videos Andrew. Because of you I have an amazing pair of RP-8000Fs. And they sound spectacular in our living room. I typically turn off the Klipsch subwoofer when not watching movies. The other day I was jamming some tunes and thought, "oops, I must have left the sub on." So I check and sure enough...it is OFF. Yeah, these speakers are definitely killing the 22 year old Bose Acoustimass they replaced.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for sharing!
I don't have to move rooms, just moving the speakers a couple of inches can totally change the tonality of a speaker. Too much toe-in can make a speaker very bright sounding and moving a stand mounted speaker up or down can make a speaker bright or dull sounding. Your average problem room, though, usually aggravates in the 60Hz to 70Hz region.
Great idea to reprise these speakers in your new space. Thanks!
How about the Lintons? My guess is that they were returned…
We did not hang on to them, but that is NOT a knock against them. Our pair were the first all-black pair and they needed to make the rounds to other reviewers.
Would it be possible to show the measurements that you have taken for a speaker you are evaluating? For Example, it would probably be much easier to see, as you said, that the KLH model 5 measured flat and the B&W very much did not.
funny, i was thinking about a week ago ,to suggest revisiting some speakers you had reviewed before , but in the "new" room , way to go !
ATX misses you! Went back and watched some of your old videos and you are volumes (pun intended) better :-)
I appreciate that, Bill!
Ahh the room. I think that most people really don’t take the room into consideration and spend money chasing a better sound. The treatments you installed has helped and understanding your room measurements will give us all who are consistent viewers more of a reason to keep watching this channel. I will be look back to your room treatment video and pickup a mic to also understand my room characteristics. Thanks a million.
Your initial review of the lumina II's, put them on my radar. Picked up a pair and am very happy with them. Thanks!
Great to hear! I know they are among Kristi's favorites especially in the new space.
Alas, is there then, no such thing as a 'perfect' product reviewer?! Oh fie. You did get the M8xi and the 936 K2 absolutely correct though, and I think, many others!!! Thanks for your help, in guiding my purchases.
Andrew you may know more than most! However the end result is an opinion & that opinion based on circumstance (time / place etc) can change.
It boils down to wether People value an another persons opinion or ultimately want to develop there own!
Keep up the reviews I enjoy the content.
Yeah, hoping either Klipsch Jubilee or the La Scala AL5.
Good video, rooms do matter… In regards to the KLH, the game changer for me after figuring out placement and sub matching, was moving from the Delta Sigma DACs to the R2R Ladder, mainly the Denafrips Ares II with the Iris DDC. Analog bliss with zero fatigue. Totally transformed the listening experience.
I understand where you are coming from and as you get older you are affected by changes to your hearing and if you follow the required discipline of listening to music without using tone controls then you come to understand that it's the room that is "wrong" and you begin to rearrange the furniture looking for a way make things sound like you remember which is not necessarily better because few people have perfect auditory memory. This leads to spending money for new equipment to fit your change in your hearing or moving. I am glad to see that you were able to recognize the need for a better listening space and to act upon it.
I have the Heresy iv and love them. I also have the usual suspects also ( focal , LS/35a you name it)
I like them all. The Heresy’s are never going
Ours are never leaving either!
"something truly special" reminds me of the Klipsch employee who allegedly moved house to be able to have Ak6s in her living room. Now that's dedication.
Also love the Model 5. Very forgiving of room and placement.
Do I spot a Marantz 40n connected to those B&W speakers?
The Model 5’s are incredibly forgiving, and paired with the right DAC are darn near a forever speaker, they are that good. Put it this way, the longer I own them the happier I become regarding the purchase.
@@michaelwright1602 they're very good value for the quality offered. They rock with the latest Technics G700 mk2 digital amp. Which is kinda funny when you think these are 2 retro looking products with bang up to date production.
In total, the KLH are the most traditional in design. I think there are better used speakers you can still get for a third of the price on ebay, if you are attracted to the KLHs. One is Roger Sounds Labs 3600 or 3800. The 3800s have a dome tweeter, and a 4.5 inch midrange, 12 inch woofer, with a 93 db efficiency at 1 watt. The KLH on the other hand is a 10 inch with a 90.5 db senitivity. The driver placement is exactly the same. In fact the KLH is based on an legacy design of theirs from 1968, which proves the durability of this design.
As to room dynamics, when I was doing some sound reinforcement, I would walk the room to hear each area. The coloring of the room is what makes h-fi fun, btw. I do like the wood details in your setting, which both act as dampening as well as tuning, and they make a great focal point. Arrrggghhh, I've been watching too much HGTV, lol. (Do you want to love it, or do you want to list it? 😁 )You did a marvelous job on this place. Congrats.
Interesting about your better half's remarks re: the Klipsch. Very revealing about the B&Ws.
Hello Mr Andrew, the other thing that i notice when i test speakers, is that they sound Better when you put your amp speakers settings as large speakers Full Range, and in pure direct without the Subwoofer, Because if you use the Crossover You Are Limiting the power to the speakers.
A Klipsch surprise? Hmm...Getting yourself your very own pair of LaScala, maybe?...or a set of new Jubilee to review? Rent across the country's shot up down here in Australia so I've settled on just upgrading the headphone/DAC/amp setup for now and the full system's on the back burner, but would love a short re-review of the Magnats in your new space.
Andrew, enjoy your vlogs. Not only are they educational but informative as well. But, could you please explain what you mean when you say, “the sound is or is not forward or neutral.”
Thanks, Chris
I love this revisiting approach 👏 Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm pleased with this direction of Re-review, as it addresses how changes in electronics and rooms has an impact on sound. Two speakers I currently own shifted in my preferences due to a room change. It was not subtle, even as I know from experience that they are both awesome to me.