I’ve commented on this under the video and people are roasting me saying I’m bullshitting. Hopefully more will know so us aspiring producers can have the attention back 🥲
It was really concerning that they dont tag any artist, I thought they were just a compiling chanel, the art looks good too and its just very suspiciously repetitively good music, man... 😢
Anything generated with AI should be legally required to be disclosed. Not just in the description, it should be labeled in the content itself. On the photo, on the video, in the text itself. Edit: It appears this has triggered people and they are slinging words they don't know what they mean. 😂 This has already infiltrated education and the teachers can't screen for this. A lot of the AI detecting tools are wrong with an awfully high percentage. There are also uneducated, elderly people, people with disabilities, and people who just don't care who won't be able to identify if the picture, music, video, or words they are reading are machine generated or written by AI. This will only lead to even more massive amounts of disinformation. We are already dealing with untenable amounts of disinformation and combating it takes far more resources than just spewing nonsense. This is already a big problem and identifying things created by machines is so minor in comparison to just outright banning the use of AI. We already have rules for identifying when you are being paid to speak about a product or service. This isn't that much of a stretch to say, label your AI content.
Should be a warning pop up that shows when you clicked on a video and you have to click "I understand" to continue (similar to when you try to watch an age restricted videos)
Yeah problem is right now they're like "well we count on you guys to be honest and disclaim it yourself" and nobody's there to check that it's done so there are no consequences if they don't. I hope it changes in the future. I'm tired of all this AI bs.
I feel like the AI bros are always saying "it's a combination of generative AI and my own work", but I think the "my own work" stuff is the prompt writing. Prompt writing doesn't and shouldn't count as artistry. It's a misleading statement. Like some pathetic way to save face because they know deep down they didn't do anything.
That argument only applies when you create music using AI and then you remixing it using your own skills in ableton/FL studio. Otherwise it's not valid at all
I feel like "my own work" is mostly just the album picture they mashed together from stolen pictures or when they photoshop AI pictures to hide AI artifacts
I saw one where the extent of their work was replacing the gibberish on a street sign with actual English but they missed all the other AI art tells (buildings melting into sky, etc)
Even if somebody did use part of their own work then used AI; I wouldn't want to see it. AI has poisoned the artistic community so much that at this point, even if there were "ethical AI"s who actually asked permission instead of scraping; I wouldn't want to see what it made. I don't want anything AI generated in my life; I'm about ready to start selling tshirts that say" f*ck gen AI"
Aftwr accidentally locking myself out of a few youtubes recently... it's better just to skip things you don't want to see, and like things you do. I swear the algorithm will start shoving a bunch of other versions of disliked videos to see if there is any version of it you like, especially with right wing shit.
Straight up, AI has ruined everything. It's super depressing. Like many others have said, I really do feel like 2019 was truly the last normal year, I wish we could all go back...
@@Ron-eg9kb Even that 5% is generous. Especially since the purpose of AI is clearly meant to automated the generation of culture and human creativity so it can finally be bottlenecked into the hands of the people in power. We were getting to ocomfortable with being informed and learning on the net and getting too uppity with our opinions. Turn that brain off, become washed in the endless generation. Become mallable. Oh...you made something...cute...but we made machines better than you. Your creativity means nothing. That is clearly the end intent and its the consistent anger and message you get from AI supporters too. Anyone who sees the absolute frothing rage they show to artist and how they are "obsolete" knows that. and also how most of their argument only utilize artists and their rights for the purpose of trying to obsolete them. They'll cry about people "stealing" images for human transformative work and commitment - say making a cyoa out of images - but then won't apply that same logic to literally feeding all that work and trying to claim, in many cases, people styles through a automated machine so they can remove that person from the equation entirely in the same ballpark. Because they think they're revealing humanist logic to them, when all they're showing is they aren't concerned at all. The simple end argument is this: if these machines are so good. Why can't they enjoy them in peace. They reject artists, human culture nad idea interaction. So why can't they use these "just as good" and "can't tell the difference" generators in their own room. Locked away with a server, with bots and auto-generators making their perfect curated net. It's not enough they reject artist, they want the world to reject humanity too.
Spotify has been overrun with jazz ai junk to the point where it's made me so paranoid that I can't listen to anything new to me without doing a big research session to make sure the band is actually real. On the plus side I've found a few artists from the 50s I never knew before, so all the homework paid off.
If you're looking for more jazz you might not have heard before, I can't recommend Yoko Kanno/Seatbelts highly enough. She composes in many different genres, but most of her compositions have at least some influence from jazz. The Cowboy Bebop soundtrack is what she's most known for, and it's a great listen, whether you're listening to it actively or putting it on in the background. If you look up the soundtrack for Cowboy Bebop you'll be able to find playlists putting all the different albums used in the anime together in one place. Just writing this comment is making me want to listen to Tank! for the umpteenth time so I'm gonna go do that lol
when I saw the thumbnail for this video, I went "no way..." I thought I found a nice channel and I just listened to one of their videos a few weeks ago. I feel so betrayed. I even left a comment on one of their videos saying how I really liked their music 😕 sad but I gotta take back that like and comment now.
I saw another video and thought it was cool and nice (because some music playlists I put in the background while studying starts to crash my laptop) but now I watch this video, I will just stay with the crashing laptop
It's a Future Job. Curating music personally for clients. None of the AI junk everyone else listens to - you personally check that each track is real and customize the set list for each client as a luxury service. If you think of a good brand name you could be in at the ground level.
There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing more and more things related to music and art being made with AI just to make money. There is no love for art, no passion, no humanity in that. No one is going to convince me otherwise.
i initially started listening to 'a sip' because i thought they were just another passionate, human, music/playlist creator like yourself! i will immediately be going back to your channel instead. i'm an artist myself and will never stop standing up against AI garbage thats trying to steal the soul of the craft, whether it be art, music, or anything else. also, everybody listen to nobody RIGHT NOW
@@handler8838If its meant to be boring, it can be ignored completely. Eric Satie made background music that was meant to be ignored, but it was never boring. You lost the plot.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 Preach Brother. I keep coming back to the same non-AI music for background noise because it's not boring. Sure it's background music but it's background music I enjoy.
EXACTLY! That's what I keep telling - why would anyone spend 1 hour listening to stuff that took only few minutes and 0% care to manufacture? It's all just digital noise, it makes me so sad realizing that most people won't give it too much thought and all these content farms will get successful. At least at this point, before this market is oversaturated so there's no point in doing it anymore.
I think the ai status should be in the title and or big in the thumbnail. People that like ai or don’t care should be able to consume what they want just as I want to avoid it. Politically I don’t want to support it
I got turned off of a lot of my old favorite lo-fi channels cuz AI music was infiltrating and everything started sounding the same. I will recommend Afro Lofi, Sound Station, and ill-advised records for good lo-fi and vaporwave created by talented folks!
lets be for real the human made ones all sound the same anyways. zero creativity. also for the vast majority, their lofi beats aren't even their own creation they just steal from other musicians and slap some lofi instrumentals on top and call it a day, not even bothering to credit the original artists.
@@rvndre8601 atleast humans are making transformative content. AI music cannot even be creative right now, it doesn't really create. Ai pretty much doing what you were annoyed about in the first place, sampling without credit. Sure it's annoying when a human does it, why would your opinion change when ai does it?
@@Teriiiyakiii Louie Zong actually releases every genre under the sun, even if the silly funk ones tend to get the most traction. Some of the longer albums you can find on his bandcamp are very unique.
Just chiming in to say I'd recommend Louie Zong's music, he's got lo-fi kinda stuff but also all different kinda genres and makes pretty art/cute animations too :)
i hate having to screen everything for ai. why is it so hard for people to understand that we want to experience things people actually bothered making and learning to make. beyond that, the wastefulness of ai... why would i want to let the natural world decline even further just so i can listen to some slimey plastic sounds
@@mweeeelofi girl is not in for the money lol? they made the channel to help people relax or play background music when theyre studying 24/7. i think its a beneficial thing if you ask me
@@mweeee wdym? people use lofi to sleep and stuff and the fact that its a long stream means that they can play it however long they want. its there for peoples relaxation, i dont think lofi girl is putting out individual tracks saying they made it by themselves lol
@joejoeington2654 watch the video before arguing with people in the comments I'm not gonna argue with you about facts that Pinely already explained in the video
AI doesn’t steal music, it’s the people who take samples and train the AI code to use it. This idea going around that AI tools are self aware and independent is silly.
@@ConfusedOctopus The people are wrong. The authors get like .0.05 cents to get their tracks fed to different AI tools, or if they store it in cloud services, they pay to get their stored audio fed to the AI tools. But it is not stealing, contracts are being accepted. Now if those contracts are in bad faith or violate existing legislation, thats for courts to decide. But this "requires theft" sh#t is nonsense.
DUDE!!! Ive been listening to lo-fi while working, and i usually just let youtube queue up whatever it wants. Until I started noticing the videos started looking VERY similar but from different channels. I slowly realised i'd probably been listening to AI made music for the last few days.. You even have the exact ones that was recommended to me especially the channel "home alone". Grrr.
omg I knew there was something sus about having popular barber beats albums! NO BARBER BEATS ALBUM IS POPULAR! Also of course, churning out one one hour album every week is suspicious as fuck. Like, Macroblank releases music once every rise of a dark lord, and haircuts for men has most of their albums dating back to the 90's
Not really a good comparison, especially when we're talking about jazz and lo-fi, genres that interpolate and sample other songs very very often. Essays and music are very different, nobody "makes a cover" of a previous well known essay for example. I don't wanna listen to AI generated music either personally, especially when it's not disclosed, but I wish people would stop using this "plagiarism" argument. I don't think it helps artists in most artforms, it ends up justifying frivolous copyright lawsuits instead.
That's the thing with AI generated content, though. They make me miss straight up plagiarism. Because it's based on stolen content, anyway, but it's not even good. It's nonsense, it's inaccurate, it's boring, and it makes everything worse (including AI content themselves, since AI is already surpassing all human content, and AI will eventually steal from AI making worse and worse content)
I recently ran into a flood of AI music while looking for compilations of classic Halloween/Fall music. The amount of AI generated stuff is flooding out the real stuff. And for me, if I want AI generated music, it's already easy to access. The people who use the tech but take credit for the output feel justified in posting tons and tons of it, until the algorithm only wants to give that.
I'm hopeful that all the AI music channels will eventually cannibalize each other. They all think they can become the next Lofi Girl, but when 10,000 channels are all trying to do the same thing while churning out the same shitty AI-generated music, there's nothing to make any of them stand out from the rest. If they're lazy enough to try to get rich with AI music channels, I'm betting they're also lazy enough to stop putting in even the bare minimum effort of posting videos once they realize they can't get enough viewership to make money off of it.
I love how people are leaving recommendations for actual artists in the comments. My favorite lofi music artist is In Love With a Ghost. (I also love Snail’s House, but I think that’s technically kawaii future bass).
i remember when lofi study girl live stream went on like a 2 month break and everyone was like "OH GOD WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO STUDY TO" 😭 thats when i released how much money that person must be making bc it was wayyyy more popular than i thought it was
I actually noticed a similar issue recently with electroswing music. I like having something playing in the background while I work, and I don’t always pay attention closely when TH-cam autoplays one of their recommendations. But I suddenly noticed that all of the music was weirdly similar and just a bit ‘off,’ and when I checked the description I saw it was indeed AI music (at least the person who uploaded it bothered to add that information). One of the things I really dislike about the proliferation of generative AI is the way it’s eroding my trust in just about everything. Books, music, artwork, etc. I can no longer feel confident it was made by a human who cared about what they were doing. Instead, so many things are being pumped out with as little effort as possible for the sake of making some quick money.
The thing you said about losing trust, yeah. I feel the same. I noticed that I don't really want to engage with stuff made after 2022 altogether, and even when I come across new stuff that is good, I can't really like it because I cannot trust it, even when it is from a trusted source. It sucks. Things that were meant to be enjoyable are now just one more reason for paranoya.
@arpeacewithnotknowing5677 THERE IS A DISTINCT WAY TO KNOW ITS AI RIGHT NOW. AI MUSIC WILL NOT HAVE ANY "breathing" When there is no breaths between verse its likely to be AI. When the vocals or drums have a staticy filtery type of overcompression its TYPICALLY AI, it may be hard to recognize it at first but ill post some examples of AI music look up these 2, im a music producer of 15 years, so I know how to spot it HERE IS AN AI SONG: Nightshade Anthem - Let Me Drown HERE is another ai song Which is a shame th-cam.com/video/bxHshhjo4_g/w-d-xo.html KEEP IN MIND THE INSPIRATIONS TO AI SONGS COME FROM REAL ARTISTS AND THOSE ARISTS ARE NOT PAID
@@tuckerbugeater maybe don't give random strangers unasked advices that make no sense anyway. The problem is not what's good and what's not, whatever you mean by that, or what's replicatable or what's not (everything is if there's enough training data) but that it is much harder (at least for me but I'm definitely not alone in that) to form a genuine emotional connection with a piece of music (or visual art, or story), even when I know the source. I think that in 2022 - 2023 for a lot of us relationship between us and art and artists just irreversibly changed forever.
I'm fucking devastated. And right when I thought I finally found a channel that pumped out good HUMAN music... Time to search for something else, it's so sad that it scratched my brain in such a good way while working, too... Thank you for making this video and bringing attention to more oblivious people like me. Keep up the good work! 💜
A good vaporwave musician is Windows96/Gavriel, he is one of the best sounding and creative vaporwave I've heard in a while, and he is NOT DEAD like 80% of vaporwave! A good channel to discover lo-fi/synthwave/retro/vaporwave musicians as well is dungeonsynth archives, most of the music has that crusty 80's rpg soundtrack vibe, but then there are some really creative like tales under the oak, that made the toad kingdom trilogy of albums, swamp/amphibian style RPG ambient music? FUCK YEAH OH OH! Also, since Pinely is a fan of DOOM, all of his secret herbs and special herbs albums are a great example of lo-fi hip-hop before it became generic and oversaturated (because people think it is really easy to make it, so they just make listenable music instead of good music).
I love Windows96 so damn much. I've got a few more recommendations (and double checked to make sure they're all real people): Instupendo, bonjr, Home, Mareux, late night drive home (not exactly the same genre but close to it)
the fundimental problem with ai vaporwave though is that vaporwave already is "stolen". like, it's just chopped and slowed down versions of 80s pop songs, it's already not "yours". not that it doesn't take a lot of work to make it, it's just that, it's already, in a sense, stolen. so making that argument is kind of odd
@@shadowchasernql That's not true for vaporwave as a genre, most songs are entirely original. Of course you can find low-effort versions of 80s songs on youtube, but those aren't made by actual artists. And remixes are usually fine, especially when they list original authors as co-authors of the remixes. I wouldn't call a good remix a stolen piece of music
@@krejtek9654 also, even though waporwave does often toy with copyrighted content, which is a questionable thing to do, it's still a relatively small niche genre, it's not trying to dominate the entire music industry.
The thing about AI music is that it isn't even good. Aside from being mind-numbingly repetitive and often ending abruptly with no resolution, every track Suno makes has the same tinny quality to the audio. It's impossible not to notice once you've heard enough of it. There used to be a time where TH-cam would occasionally recommend me an EDM track with like 100 views and I've stumbled across a few really talented artists that way. Now whenever a video like that shows up in my feed I just block the channel without even listening because 99.99% of the time it's AI and I know if I click it TH-cam will just start sending me more of it.
I felt so cheated when I realized these videos were AI!! I've actually been focusing a lot more on writing in my personal time and I loved the aesthetic and cohesion of "what is ?" when it came across my youtube home page, but once I clicked on their channel and realized they were uploading like multiple times a week alarm bells started going off but I didn't want to believe it because I felt so calm and productive listening to it. I can't run from it anymore, I've quit listening to it and I feel so bad I didn't recognise it before clicking on and giving them views. my latest lofi playlist will come up if you search "frutiger aero mii music" which as far as I'm aware is made by a great independent creator with their own 3D blender animation all through the video, and the official Hatsune Miku channel's "Study with Miku" series with lofi versions of different popular vocaloid songs with beautiful artwork as well!! wish I would have come across these channels sooner instead of some AI 😢
You don’t have to feel bad. 🤷🏻♀️ I mean I hate AI more than anyone I know but you’re not the one stealing and profiting off of artist works. You’re just listening to music with the assumption it was made in good faith and entered the creative arena fairly. Thank you for the recommendations btw! 🎉
@@LuluTheCorgi man, I got other shit that makes me feel good. the point is that I felt miserable finding out that it was AI. I'm not trying to be a chump giving these guys who think these playlists are a "side hustle" or a "passive income business in 3 easy steps" easy money. like I said in my comment, I've got other stuff to listen to that makes me happy. I'm just saying, it's disappointing finding out that it's AI
because human made lofi beats are so low effort, easy to make, and steal from other artists already, that they could easily be made by AI in the first place.
collecting some of the recs I see people mentioning (mostly jazz, lofi, vaporware artists/channels and what not from what I can tell): the jazzhop cafe greafer purple cat kudasai beats jim butler's "deep energy" sci fi music Patrick lenk playlists of the background music for jon bois documentaries (history of [team name] mini series) captain ahab soundtrack city girl in love with a ghost (I personally love the song flowers) snail's house (kawaii future bass) cafe de touhou windows96 instupendo bonjr Home Mareux late night drive home macroblank haircuts for men afro lofi sound station ill-advised records soundtrack for cowboy bebop and artists behind it nick torretta soft machine herbie hancock miles davis frank zappa check the replies of this comment for more too! some personal recs are ivy league by potsu and harbor lp by tomppabeats, I also really liked the song james by pat metheny, very relaxing, and I want to check out more of his stuff since I've heard he's good. i also like some early stuff by eery and Idealism. also, lei qiang is a great erhu player with two albums of Chinese traditional music. pretty calming.
my absolute fave is “blue turtle”, a channel that does fantasy and lofi playlists in which they make all of their own art and always credit all of the artists of the songs with timestamps which should be a low bar but i find that it’s rare another channel rec i have is “lepreezy” which also makes their own art and does jazz and oldies
Great list! Also commenting to add "Off the Label" - formerly "R-life." I have listened to them for years and they try to spotlight underground artists and they also do different types of music along with lofi
"let's use the elevator" "nice music, right" "yeah" ... "dang, this ride never ends! Good thing that we have elevator music!" "even if it's a little repetitive" *soft laugh track* ... "I'm tired of hearing this" *soft laugh track* "let's break the radio" *loud laugh track*
It’s happening to the piano jazz cafe channels too. And those are my favorite ones. I have had to search HARD to find authentic ones lately. I’m trying to compile a playlist of non-ai lofi, piano jazz cafe, and other music/ambient videos. Had to unsubscribe from multiple channels after realizing that their images/animations were AI. Not sure about their music, but I think they were AI too.
I hate that that thumbnail would actually go really hard as album art for actual music. Like can you imagine if instead of AI slop, it was mid centry inspired songs??
That’s exactly what I was expecting when I clicked on it. But when I listened, I was like, “oh, never mind, this ain’t what I’m looking for.” They even included a great gatsby quote and everything, giving the music a bit of a 20s swing feel would be cool.
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 aaaack, thank you for bringing it up! :( I started listening to DJs livestreams because I CAN SEE who is playing! I'm wary of faceless playlists now 😭😭😭😭😭
@@TheChilaxicleright? I'll be listening to that and paying more attention! If a channel is faceless, as the video states, check the description for track credits!
Thank you so much for calling out the channel in the thumbnail. That video appeared in my algorithm the other day, and I dug the tunes for about 20 minutes, but before long I got the sense it was AI generated. Sure enough, I checked the channel, and it had multiple hour long releases of original music within the last few days. When channels churn out instrumental music that fast to feed the algorithm, it's a surefire sign it's AI schlock. I hate it so much when they obfuscate it, so thanke for bringing attention to the issue.
@@snowmeows3342 public consumption is hard to avoid and still function, we'll have to stick with private consumption because otherwise it would be impossible
Before AI, we had a thing called Musak. It was nondescript background music played in stores and offices to keep people calm and not get stressed from the overwhelming silence.
@@t0bi_333The art looks like Vicki Sigh. I hope they got permission to use it! They probably did but TH-cam has trained me to think everyone steals thumbnail art.
My favorite album of this year (so far!) is a very soothing lofi-ish album, Qué Nos Mantiene Despiertos by Ine Güemes! I would highly recommend it as both calming background music, and as music that’s well-made and interesting and rewards careful listening, too!
I remembered loving Nujabes. before Lo-fi became popular. It's always been my alltime favorite since Champloo days. It wasn't until circa 2015 people started putting lo-fi up around the same time City Pop and Vaporwave came around. This was the trend at the time, but lo-fi was a derivative of those trends (evven though Nujabes was made a decade before, it wasn't popularized until around 2015). Then around late 2015/early 2016, I remember when Lo-fi girl came out. That's was when it got REALLY popular. Man, these were good college days for me.
ooh this hurts a lot.. i genuinely enjoyed the musics in that channel, ironic that i vibe with it while i'm making my art assignments :( thank you for the awareness!
As a music producer, I don't really mind people dabbling with ai music. What I quite dislike however is when people try to pass those off as their own creations with no added efforts and distribute them on streaming platforms. I swear, if I get another recommendation of musics "made" by that Unfinish guy, I might lose my mind.
I was gonna ask about this like I know about music production and can sing but I’m just too goddamn stuck with bad autism motor skills to play instruments so I always wondered if I would be hated for making something but having like, one part of it be generated
@kaydwessie296 Even with autism motor skills, you should be able to at least produce music digitally (like I do), but you would likely need some equipments to accomodate for it. I think people would be fine with you generating music and releasing it as long as there's enough "human input", like writing the melodies for example, or starting from something AI-generated and reinterpreting it. If you're a singer however, people would probably be chill with it most of the times (unless they are AI-haterd) because the focus would be on yourself rather than the backing audio.
Bruh!!! This right here!!!! Omg is it horrifying to hear a beat and then be like "wait a minute" when it ends abruptly, or the arrangement doesn't make sense, or when it sounds like anything off those AI channels! You nailed it. Not being creative with the sound being spit out is my biggest problem with AI. like, you could chop it at least? Change the pitch? Reverse it? No!!!! Straight raw upload!!!!!!!!!!!! It's ridiculous!
I didn't realise that these were AI music channels and I was listening to them without knowing. I thought it was channels making their own muzak style background music but I did noticed Home Alone and their clones were using more AI art thumbnails (that I can tell really well for now). That I recommend, listen to muzak if you want actual "junk" background music made with real hands at least. Thank you for confirming these sus channels cuz my untrained ears couldn't pick up what was wrong until I noticed more of the same channels were popping up all over my feed. Love your videos hun don't stop making them❤
another good not AI music channel is Luv or Not which seemed to have been made way before AI music became new junk to pump out. I checked their playlist and they're real musicians that's in their playlist. It's a jazz type of channel so a lot of their music was way before computer manipulation.
legit, i had it saved to a youtube playlist where I have a bunch of albums/playlists that pop up in my recommended and was gonna listen to it. so glad this video was in my recommended too,
You dont hate it, you like the music it can produce. In the near future when more advance ai are available, you can just ask your phone or Smart Home device to give you "rain and lofi sleep sounds" and you will get this quality mix automatically generated.
@@handler8838 but that’s not what I want, I want to be able to support an artist who made it with their own input and passion. I understand it’s easy if you just want to be able to quickly listen to some simple chill music, but what about the people who make that type of music as a job or something, they literally have to compete with a computer
@@crimsonicss You didnt even give enough of a F**k to check if they existed, I doubt your sleeping playlist was that carefully picked before you saw this video.
I was the comment featured at 3:33. I’m so glad that now this issue has been brought to light. People in the comments were arguing with me about it, denying it!
Thank you for covering on this topic. It means alot especially for lofi artists since some make it their livelihood and bringing attention to issues like this really brings exposure on the troubles of independent artists especially during this day and age.
The music that the documentarian Jon Bois uses in his video projects is top-notch music for all your background listening needs. People have made playlists compiling the music he's used in each of his Dorktown "history of [team name]" miniseries, and he even made a Spotify playlist himself for the music used in the most recent "The History of the Minnesota Vikings" miniseries. I listened to the Captain Ahab soundtrack a lot during college when I was doing my readings and it was great.
Oh my goodness, I knew that home alone channel was AI soon after I started listening to it. I asked a couple of times if it was AI music and my comments got deleted, and afterwards I emailed them and they refused to answer my question and kept giving me ChatGPT-like replies. Needless to say, I am definitely surprised that they're now actually admitting it's AI in their comments section, and it's just shameful that they weren't up front about it in the first place.
same happened to me today with "archive7" channel. I have commented some things about AI in his channel and all I got is that he is the composer, intellectual owner of the songs. Did a little research and it seems the guy has knownledge about music platforms and software but I'm still sure AI is involved in his "creations". I'm pretty pissed off because I liked the music that it's there, and in other channels too, but when I see them denying the truth and making donation pages for "promoting their work" I cannot take it anymore
i notice this a lot too, i hate it. i put on jazz/piano music for my dogs while im at work, and half if not most of livestreams that happen have shitty ai generated background and plays the same music over and over with no credit so im guessing its ai. ill have to try to filter it out better.
omg i was listening to AI playlist without knowing so. i do agree that ai music should have an indicator on the top of the description so at least the viewers know.
Wow you have a good take on jazz as background music. Most people don't get jazz. When I ask my students what they think of jazz they associate it with fancy restaurants. It's not their fault, but I wise people were exp papped to the jazz that is really sick and wild and crazy.
It's a shame the direction digital art is going - both visual and audio. I hope in the future, AI generated content is required/automatically detected and clearly disclosed as such on all social platforms.
I really like Jim Butler's "Deep Energy" sci-fi music and Patrick Lenk's hauntingly beautiful for my "relaxation music"... both are real people and not robots. I have anxiety and I'm neurodivergent and I find these are helpful, so its a shame AI is taking over.
ughhh I feel this heavily. the past couple years has been sensory hell, songs with lyrics just overload me most of the time, and it has become such a struggle finding literally anything. I just wanna listen to music and have variety in that music without having a sensory overload caused meltdown but I guess in dying internet that's too much to ask! I have to dig through mountains of AI to find anything real anymore.
i swear even before ai lofi i've noticed that it has gotten so watered down. I thought that i just wasn't into lofi anymore but some of the lofi that i used to listen to in like 2017 came back on my fyp recently and it still holds up, i still love it
Well that explains it, I would click the videos because the thumbnails looked good, and then click off 3 mins later when the music was just so boring. Idk why I didn't consider it to be AI, I think because past couple years lofi has been becoming elevator music so that's how this ai goes under the radar
this explains so much- I like random music videos/compiliations and the cover looked pretty but I thought these videos sounded... okay but kind of bad and had a bad feeling.
My algorithm just saved me cause I was immediately falling down this with a real hope they were just some basement gremlin releasing every they make good or bad
These AI music videos are also in the genre of like mixed east asian music, like japanese trap etc. I didn't notice they were AI at first, but after a short while you notice how everything sounds the same-ish, and sometimes "not right". I can't really explain what I mean, because I'm no musician, but if you're been listening to a lot of music your whole life you can sometimes hear what is AI and what isn't. Kind of how even people who only paint as a hobby can spot AI images.
I got recommended (a) sip as well and yeah the vibes were off. Tried googling for the artist, couldn't find anything at all, and the rate of videos being released tipped me off. Glad im not going crazy
At times like this, I'm grateful that my music listening habits consist of the same songs and artists I've listened to since middle school. If I never listen to anything new, I can never be fooled by AI. 💪🧠
What a coincidence! Just today, I listened to 3 mixes from (a). while working and after a few minutes of the first video, it became clear that it was AI, but it didn't stop me from listening to the others while working. The problem for me is, we focus on working while working, right? But as someone who works from home, I personally look for music in the background that is empty, flat, non-tiring, fluid, in other words, "doesn't require my focus". I really like these AI musics in this sense. Because they are flat, fun, and don't tire me. For example, I really like Pink Floyd or let's say Morten Granau from another genre. I tried listening to Pink Floyd while working before. At some point, I find myself disconnecting from work, putting on my headphones, leaning back, focusing on the song and appreciating the music. Or I suddenly find myself dancing while listening to Morten Granau. But you see, I also need to work. This is where AI music comes into play. "Good music is good music". I agree with that from this perspective. Is it better than Pink Floyd? :D Come on. The kind of art that truly speaks to humanity in a profound way can only come from another human being. AI surprises us because it is only just beginning to develop.
Oh. I thought "what is"was a legit artist.. damn. Its sad i liked one of their music in the youth playlist. Ill go back to lofi girl since they still get their music from real artists, hopefully
This is so true! It’s become such a problem and it’s really annoying. I check the descriptions first thing now after clicking on a music video. It’s crazy how many low-effort music channels keep popping up. Thanks for making a video about this!
I listen to a lot of jazz, fusion, prog metal and other typically instrumental genres so hearing someone with a platform bring up the way people reduce that type of music to just background stuff is refreshing to me the fact I watched this video right after listening to Hmayra by Shubh Saran made it extra painful
I make lofi and spend a lot of time doing so, seeing this kinda stuff is just kinda soul crushing and honestly has made me pursue other genres. I'll always make music but making lofi kinda felt like home, now people only see what I make as 'background music' at best when I've been studying for years about jazz progressions, getting swing and good timing on my drums, sampling with intention etc. For people who make this kind of music a LOT goes into it, sad really.
It's so wild that this video came up on my homepage after literally all of these videos and their respective channels have been "recommended" to me. I noticed the similarities between channels and felt like something was off, but I couldn't determine why this was. Now it makes so much sense that they are AI-generated. Thank you for bringing this to my attention with your video! If you're looking for some jazz recommendations, I'd suggest Hugh Masakela, Berlioz, Quincy Jones, Mulatu Astatke, Grover Washington Jr., and Bill Withers!
(a) sip has been my go to jam whenever I was working for the past 1-2 months since the channel popped on my home screen. Now that you have mentioned I did felt like I was listing to same song but I never noticed as I was not focusing that much on the songs !
Even lofi channels that use real music have a massive plagiarism problem. So often will they reupload other people's tracks without permission or credit. Often times they won't have a tracklist so you can't even track down where the song came from!
Thanks for spreading the word on this, when you're not fully paying attention to the music, which these 'chill' playlists are meant for by design, it's quite easy to miss how samey they sound.
"I've listened to music and thought, 'this is pretty good.' Should learning it was AI suddenly change my opinion of it?" Yeah because eating fast food burgers made out of gray sludge isn't too good for your health
I hate AI """"""""""""art"""""""""""""" of all forms. Music, images, models whatever. Gross. A destruction of humanity, a crime against life and the world
What's crazy, I came across the "home alone." channel a few months ago, and I would have never guessed it had AI incorporated into the music. I never even bothered to look at the description or the pinned comment, where it discloses the usage of AI; I just was looking for some chill music! Thank you for covering this topic, because I'm going to be more aware and do some more research into the music I listen to. #Subscribed
$$$ That's literally the only reason, because it's not like a human artist making art. It's a soulless and disposable collection of notes and sounds made by a soulless and disposable AI. It's anti-art.
“Human music? I like it!”
Everyone who doesn't already know search Canti right now!!!!!!
Wait, for (a) sip, i didn't even know it was AI, i thought it was odd and very repetitive but didn't question it any further. I feel cheated on !!
I’ve commented on this under the video and people are roasting me saying I’m bullshitting. Hopefully more will know so us aspiring producers can have the attention back 🥲
SAME!
@@rudolphdandelion6840 There's no evidence this can be created using suno.
It was really concerning that they dont tag any artist, I thought they were just a compiling chanel, the art looks good too and its just very suspiciously repetitively good music, man... 😢
i’m so sad i just found out!!! i thought it was so nice!!! but it cannot, in good conscience, listen to it now
Anything generated with AI should be legally required to be disclosed. Not just in the description, it should be labeled in the content itself. On the photo, on the video, in the text itself.
Edit: It appears this has triggered people and they are slinging words they don't know what they mean. 😂 This has already infiltrated education and the teachers can't screen for this. A lot of the AI detecting tools are wrong with an awfully high percentage. There are also uneducated, elderly people, people with disabilities, and people who just don't care who won't be able to identify if the picture, music, video, or words they are reading are machine generated or written by AI. This will only lead to even more massive amounts of disinformation. We are already dealing with untenable amounts of disinformation and combating it takes far more resources than just spewing nonsense. This is already a big problem and identifying things created by machines is so minor in comparison to just outright banning the use of AI. We already have rules for identifying when you are being paid to speak about a product or service. This isn't that much of a stretch to say, label your AI content.
Should be a warning pop up that shows when you clicked on a video and you have to click "I understand" to continue (similar to when you try to watch an age restricted videos)
Fascism.
@@sihamhamda47 snowflake
They should also disclose the authors sexual preference and whether or not they're vegan. STFU
Yeah problem is right now they're like "well we count on you guys to be honest and disclaim it yourself" and nobody's there to check that it's done so there are no consequences if they don't. I hope it changes in the future. I'm tired of all this AI bs.
I feel like the AI bros are always saying "it's a combination of generative AI and my own work", but I think the "my own work" stuff is the prompt writing. Prompt writing doesn't and shouldn't count as artistry. It's a misleading statement. Like some pathetic way to save face because they know deep down they didn't do anything.
That argument only applies when you create music using AI and then you remixing it using your own skills in ableton/FL studio. Otherwise it's not valid at all
I feel like "my own work" is mostly just the album picture they mashed together from stolen pictures or when they photoshop AI pictures to hide AI artifacts
It's like saying your Starbucks order is the combination of your and the batista's work
I saw one where the extent of their work was replacing the gibberish on a street sign with actual English but they missed all the other AI art tells (buildings melting into sky, etc)
Even if somebody did use part of their own work then used AI; I wouldn't want to see it. AI has poisoned the artistic community so much that at this point, even if there were "ethical AI"s who actually asked permission instead of scraping; I wouldn't want to see what it made. I don't want anything AI generated in my life; I'm about ready to start selling tshirts that say" f*ck gen AI"
Every time I hit "not interested/don't recommend channel" 100 more show up; I feel like Hercules fighting the Hydra. Or Sisyphus.
One must imagine youtube working
Me too but in my case, TH-cam won't stop recommending me incel/extremist content farms 🫠
Fun Fact: Hercules's Greek name is Heracles, Hercules is the Roman version.
@@dashfire3185ok
Aftwr accidentally locking myself out of a few youtubes recently... it's better just to skip things you don't want to see, and like things you do. I swear the algorithm will start shoving a bunch of other versions of disliked videos to see if there is any version of it you like, especially with right wing shit.
Straight up, AI has ruined everything. It's super depressing. Like many others have said, I really do feel like 2019 was truly the last normal year, I wish we could all go back...
Steezy I knew I could trust you 🙏
yea I agree AI is spammed EVERYWHERE when its good ok cool whatever IDC but 95% of the time its absolute slop
@@Ron-eg9kb Even that 5% is generous. Especially since the purpose of AI is clearly meant to automated the generation of culture and human creativity so it can finally be bottlenecked into the hands of the people in power. We were getting to ocomfortable with being informed and learning on the net and getting too uppity with our opinions. Turn that brain off, become washed in the endless generation. Become mallable. Oh...you made something...cute...but we made machines better than you. Your creativity means nothing. That is clearly the end intent and its the consistent anger and message you get from AI supporters too. Anyone who sees the absolute frothing rage they show to artist and how they are "obsolete" knows that.
and also how most of their argument only utilize artists and their rights for the purpose of trying to obsolete them. They'll cry about people "stealing" images for human transformative work and commitment - say making a cyoa out of images - but then won't apply that same logic to literally feeding all that work and trying to claim, in many cases, people styles through a automated machine so they can remove that person from the equation entirely in the same ballpark. Because they think they're revealing humanist logic to them, when all they're showing is they aren't concerned at all.
The simple end argument is this: if these machines are so good. Why can't they enjoy them in peace. They reject artists, human culture nad idea interaction. So why can't they use these "just as good" and "can't tell the difference" generators in their own room. Locked away with a server, with bots and auto-generators making their perfect curated net. It's not enough they reject artist, they want the world to reject humanity too.
I've been listening to your channel for years. So glad you aren't using AI for the music.
2016 was.
Spotify has been overrun with jazz ai junk to the point where it's made me so paranoid that I can't listen to anything new to me without doing a big research session to make sure the band is actually real. On the plus side I've found a few artists from the 50s I never knew before, so all the homework paid off.
If you're looking for more jazz you might not have heard before, I can't recommend Yoko Kanno/Seatbelts highly enough. She composes in many different genres, but most of her compositions have at least some influence from jazz. The Cowboy Bebop soundtrack is what she's most known for, and it's a great listen, whether you're listening to it actively or putting it on in the background. If you look up the soundtrack for Cowboy Bebop you'll be able to find playlists putting all the different albums used in the anime together in one place. Just writing this comment is making me want to listen to Tank! for the umpteenth time so I'm gonna go do that lol
Nice to know there was a positive outcome for OP
Nick Torretta is a small ambient/noir jazz channel that makes real music.
can't go wrong with old school fusion i guess, i listen to a lot of soft machine, herbie hancock, miles davis, frank zappa
If you cant tell it's fake why do you care? Doesn't that just prove that "soul" in art isn't real? Why can't you sniff out the soul of real music?
1:28 i feel really disapponted. I thought this was a cool art project. Screw AI.
right Im heartbroken😭😭
Uh oh luddite 🫵🫵🫵 stinky luddite
Im so sad, I loved listening to that channel in the bg when I'm studying 😓😓
when I saw the thumbnail for this video, I went "no way..." I thought I found a nice channel and I just listened to one of their videos a few weeks ago. I feel so betrayed. I even left a comment on one of their videos saying how I really liked their music 😕 sad but I gotta take back that like and comment now.
I saw another video and thought it was cool and nice (because some music playlists I put in the background while studying starts to crash my laptop) but now I watch this video, I will just stay with the crashing laptop
Oh man, now we gotta screen our chill out music TOO? 😭
Jazz and synthwave are also under attack 😢
It's a Future Job. Curating music personally for clients. None of the AI junk everyone else listens to - you personally check that each track is real and customize the set list for each client as a luxury service. If you think of a good brand name you could be in at the ground level.
@@greenhowie GET OUT.
You... don't? Do you even know the name of the artists you listen to?
@@NothingXemnas I do, there is a couple of artists I listen to regularly
There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing more and more things related to music and art being made with AI just to make money. There is no love for art, no passion, no humanity in that. No one is going to convince me otherwise.
i initially started listening to 'a sip' because i thought they were just another passionate, human, music/playlist creator like yourself! i will immediately be going back to your channel instead. i'm an artist myself and will never stop standing up against AI garbage thats trying to steal the soul of the craft, whether it be art, music, or anything else.
also, everybody listen to nobody RIGHT NOW
Agreed. This is greed through and through. Nothing but greed.
Ayyy, Nobody!! Everyone go check out their playlists :)
Ahh, I love your playlists!! Keep going :)
Why should I bother listening to music that no one bothered to create?
Its supposed to be so boring you fall asleep, no one is asking you to bother intently listen to it.
@@handler8838If its meant to be boring, it can be ignored completely.
Eric Satie made background music that was meant to be ignored, but it was never boring.
You lost the plot.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 Brian Eno as well
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 Preach Brother. I keep coming back to the same non-AI music for background noise because it's not boring. Sure it's background music but it's background music I enjoy.
EXACTLY! That's what I keep telling - why would anyone spend 1 hour listening to stuff that took only few minutes and 0% care to manufacture? It's all just digital noise, it makes me so sad realizing that most people won't give it too much thought and all these content farms will get successful. At least at this point, before this market is oversaturated so there's no point in doing it anymore.
I think the ai status should be in the title and or big in the thumbnail. People that like ai or don’t care should be able to consume what they want just as I want to avoid it. Politically I don’t want to support it
I got turned off of a lot of my old favorite lo-fi channels cuz AI music was infiltrating and everything started sounding the same. I will recommend Afro Lofi, Sound Station, and ill-advised records for good lo-fi and vaporwave created by talented folks!
Please check out ‘Aixie’! She’s a talented artist and I really enjoy listening to her beats!
lets be for real the human made ones all sound the same anyways. zero creativity. also for the vast majority, their lofi beats aren't even their own creation they just steal from other musicians and slap some lofi instrumentals on top and call it a day, not even bothering to credit the original artists.
@@rvndre8601 atleast humans are making transformative content. AI music cannot even be creative right now, it doesn't really create. Ai pretty much doing what you were annoyed about in the first place, sampling without credit. Sure it's annoying when a human does it, why would your opinion change when ai does it?
Louie Zong is a pretty good channel for "chill" music. It's a bit more funk or jazz than lo-fi but it's still very cozy.
@@Teriiiyakiii Louie Zong actually releases every genre under the sun, even if the silly funk ones tend to get the most traction. Some of the longer albums you can find on his bandcamp are very unique.
Got hooked with some “what is” content recently and then youtube recommended this video to me. The algo is doing me a favor lol
Just chiming in to say I'd recommend Louie Zong's music, he's got lo-fi kinda stuff but also all different kinda genres and makes pretty art/cute animations too :)
thanks /subbed
Rat taxi is an absolute blast!
Yeah, all of Louie's stuff is great :)
I particularly like his album called Jazz
Adding Aixie to this. Her music is so good!
OMGGG louie Zong mentionned! Hes super underrated and Talented.
i hate having to screen everything for ai. why is it so hard for people to understand that we want to experience things people actually bothered making and learning to make. beyond that, the wastefulness of ai... why would i want to let the natural world decline even further just so i can listen to some slimey plastic sounds
I'm pretty sure these kinds of channels are just in for it for the money
Even if they understand, they simply don't care
@@mweeeelofi girl is not in for the money lol? they made the channel to help people relax or play background music when theyre studying 24/7. i think its a beneficial thing if you ask me
@joejoeington2654 who is it beneficial to, if there's already plenty of real LoFi music
@@mweeee wdym? people use lofi to sleep and stuff and the fact that its a long stream means that they can play it however long they want. its there for peoples relaxation, i dont think lofi girl is putting out individual tracks saying they made it by themselves lol
@joejoeington2654 watch the video before arguing with people in the comments
I'm not gonna argue with you about facts that Pinely already explained in the video
I think big issue is yes good music is good music, but AI stole that good music, to get there. Which is obviously an issue.
Agreed
AI doesn’t steal music, it’s the people who take samples and train the AI code to use it. This idea going around that AI tools are self aware and independent is silly.
@@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968what people mean when they say AI steals music, is that the use of generative AI requires art theft.
@@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968the wording may imply that, but the op meant the same thing you just said
@@ConfusedOctopus The people are wrong. The authors get like .0.05 cents to get their tracks fed to different AI tools, or if they store it in cloud services, they pay to get their stored audio fed to the AI tools. But it is not stealing, contracts are being accepted. Now if those contracts are in bad faith or violate existing legislation, thats for courts to decide. But this "requires theft" sh#t is nonsense.
Ah man I totally fell for this. Like you said it’s music you’d put on while working and I def thought it was some video essay beforehand.
DUDE!!! Ive been listening to lo-fi while working, and i usually just let youtube queue up whatever it wants. Until I started noticing the videos started looking VERY similar but from different channels. I slowly realised i'd probably been listening to AI made music for the last few days.. You even have the exact ones that was recommended to me especially the channel "home alone". Grrr.
omg I knew there was something sus about having popular barber beats albums! NO BARBER BEATS ALBUM IS POPULAR!
Also of course, churning out one one hour album every week is suspicious as fuck. Like, Macroblank releases music once every rise of a dark lord, and haircuts for men has most of their albums dating back to the 90's
I used to like youtube random recommends to find new music, but lately i gotta stick with the playlist ive built cuz recommendations suck ass
Noooo not home alone DDDDDD:
@@Gustoberg omg I found the one other person who knows what barber beats is
@@Astar24653 Discovery is fine, but mindlessly allowing TH-cam's autoplay to run ad nauseam is... That isn't "listening", is it?
if youtube had community notes/disclaimers, that would fix a good chunk of issues with things like this
But then the community would have a say. That is not TH-cam-like.
Closest we've got is DeArrow which allows for community voted renaming of TH-cam video titles. Helps avoid and remove clickbait too.
"Good music, is good music" is the equivalent of handing in a plagiarised essay and your excuse is that "good essays, are good essays".
or “Good paintings are good paintings” _(Ignoring that it's forged and probably traced)_
yeah kinda removes the importance and value of the human element
Not really a good comparison, especially when we're talking about jazz and lo-fi, genres that interpolate and sample other songs very very often. Essays and music are very different, nobody "makes a cover" of a previous well known essay for example. I don't wanna listen to AI generated music either personally, especially when it's not disclosed, but I wish people would stop using this "plagiarism" argument. I don't think it helps artists in most artforms, it ends up justifying frivolous copyright lawsuits instead.
Well the essay is still good though 🥲.
Only thing is you shouldn't get your credit for it.
That's the thing with AI generated content, though. They make me miss straight up plagiarism.
Because it's based on stolen content, anyway, but it's not even good. It's nonsense, it's inaccurate, it's boring, and it makes everything worse (including AI content themselves, since AI is already surpassing all human content, and AI will eventually steal from AI making worse and worse content)
I recently ran into a flood of AI music while looking for compilations of classic Halloween/Fall music. The amount of AI generated stuff is flooding out the real stuff. And for me, if I want AI generated music, it's already easy to access. The people who use the tech but take credit for the output feel justified in posting tons and tons of it, until the algorithm only wants to give that.
I'm hopeful that all the AI music channels will eventually cannibalize each other. They all think they can become the next Lofi Girl, but when 10,000 channels are all trying to do the same thing while churning out the same shitty AI-generated music, there's nothing to make any of them stand out from the rest. If they're lazy enough to try to get rich with AI music channels, I'm betting they're also lazy enough to stop putting in even the bare minimum effort of posting videos once they realize they can't get enough viewership to make money off of it.
I love how people are leaving recommendations for actual artists in the comments. My favorite lofi music artist is In Love With a Ghost. (I also love Snail’s House, but I think that’s technically kawaii future bass).
Adding Aixie to this for anyone who wants to check her music out!
Honestly my favorite part of this video. Love seeing people come together to share some good channels recs.
have they worked on video game soundtracks before? that name sounds familiar
certified Ujico* fan !!
@@gabbyy2897 in love with a ghost did the song Golden Ridge (Golden Feather Mix) that plays for Golden Ridge B-Side in the game Celeste.
i remember when lofi study girl live stream went on like a 2 month break and everyone was like "OH GOD WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO STUDY TO" 😭 thats when i released how much money that person must be making bc it was wayyyy more popular than i thought it was
I actually noticed a similar issue recently with electroswing music. I like having something playing in the background while I work, and I don’t always pay attention closely when TH-cam autoplays one of their recommendations. But I suddenly noticed that all of the music was weirdly similar and just a bit ‘off,’ and when I checked the description I saw it was indeed AI music (at least the person who uploaded it bothered to add that information). One of the things I really dislike about the proliferation of generative AI is the way it’s eroding my trust in just about everything. Books, music, artwork, etc. I can no longer feel confident it was made by a human who cared about what they were doing. Instead, so many things are being pumped out with as little effort as possible for the sake of making some quick money.
The thing you said about losing trust, yeah. I feel the same. I noticed that I don't really want to engage with stuff made after 2022 altogether, and even when I come across new stuff that is good, I can't really like it because I cannot trust it, even when it is from a trusted source. It sucks. Things that were meant to be enjoyable are now just one more reason for paranoya.
i feel the same way, lol. i always just go off of recommendations for stuff now and stay within my playlists, i cant trust the wider social medias tbh
@arpeacewithnotknowing5677 THERE IS A DISTINCT WAY TO KNOW ITS AI RIGHT NOW. AI MUSIC WILL NOT HAVE ANY "breathing" When there is no breaths between verse its likely to be AI. When the vocals or drums have a staticy filtery type of overcompression its TYPICALLY AI, it may be hard to recognize it at first but ill post some examples of AI music look up these 2, im a music producer of 15 years, so I know how to spot it
HERE IS AN AI SONG: Nightshade Anthem - Let Me Drown
HERE is another ai song Which is a shame th-cam.com/video/bxHshhjo4_g/w-d-xo.html
KEEP IN MIND THE INSPIRATIONS TO AI SONGS COME FROM REAL ARTISTS AND THOSE ARISTS ARE NOT PAID
@@nobody-nk8pd .maybe listen to good music that isn't easy to replicate
@@tuckerbugeater maybe don't give random strangers unasked advices that make no sense anyway.
The problem is not what's good and what's not, whatever you mean by that, or what's replicatable or what's not (everything is if there's enough training data) but that it is much harder (at least for me but I'm definitely not alone in that) to form a genuine emotional connection with a piece of music (or visual art, or story), even when I know the source. I think that in 2022 - 2023 for a lot of us relationship between us and art and artists just irreversibly changed forever.
I'm fucking devastated. And right when I thought I finally found a channel that pumped out good HUMAN music... Time to search for something else, it's so sad that it scratched my brain in such a good way while working, too...
Thank you for making this video and bringing attention to more oblivious people like me. Keep up the good work! 💜
A good vaporwave musician is Windows96/Gavriel, he is one of the best sounding and creative vaporwave I've heard in a while, and he is NOT DEAD like 80% of vaporwave!
A good channel to discover lo-fi/synthwave/retro/vaporwave musicians as well is dungeonsynth archives, most of the music has that crusty 80's rpg soundtrack vibe, but then there are some really creative like tales under the oak, that made the toad kingdom trilogy of albums, swamp/amphibian style RPG ambient music? FUCK YEAH
OH OH! Also, since Pinely is a fan of DOOM, all of his secret herbs and special herbs albums are a great example of lo-fi hip-hop before it became generic and oversaturated (because people think it is really easy to make it, so they just make listenable music instead of good music).
I love Windows96 so damn much. I've got a few more recommendations (and double checked to make sure they're all real people): Instupendo, bonjr, Home, Mareux, late night drive home (not exactly the same genre but close to it)
YEAH Windows96 is really unique sounding artist
the fundimental problem with ai vaporwave though is that vaporwave already is "stolen". like, it's just chopped and slowed down versions of 80s pop songs, it's already not "yours". not that it doesn't take a lot of work to make it, it's just that, it's already, in a sense, stolen. so making that argument is kind of odd
@@shadowchasernql That's not true for vaporwave as a genre, most songs are entirely original. Of course you can find low-effort versions of 80s songs on youtube, but those aren't made by actual artists.
And remixes are usually fine, especially when they list original authors as co-authors of the remixes. I wouldn't call a good remix a stolen piece of music
@@krejtek9654 also, even though waporwave does often toy with copyrighted content, which is a questionable thing to do, it's still a relatively small niche genre, it's not trying to dominate the entire music industry.
The thing about AI music is that it isn't even good. Aside from being mind-numbingly repetitive and often ending abruptly with no resolution, every track Suno makes has the same tinny quality to the audio. It's impossible not to notice once you've heard enough of it.
There used to be a time where TH-cam would occasionally recommend me an EDM track with like 100 views and I've stumbled across a few really talented artists that way. Now whenever a video like that shows up in my feed I just block the channel without even listening because 99.99% of the time it's AI and I know if I click it TH-cam will just start sending me more of it.
Instagram surprisingly does it for me. I get ads by obscure artists to check out their song on spotify and it feeds me really good stuff.
I felt so cheated when I realized these videos were AI!! I've actually been focusing a lot more on writing in my personal time and I loved the aesthetic and cohesion of "what is ?" when it came across my youtube home page, but once I clicked on their channel and realized they were uploading like multiple times a week alarm bells started going off but I didn't want to believe it because I felt so calm and productive listening to it. I can't run from it anymore, I've quit listening to it and I feel so bad I didn't recognise it before clicking on and giving them views. my latest lofi playlist will come up if you search "frutiger aero mii music" which as far as I'm aware is made by a great independent creator with their own 3D blender animation all through the video, and the official Hatsune Miku channel's "Study with Miku" series with lofi versions of different popular vocaloid songs with beautiful artwork as well!! wish I would have come across these channels sooner instead of some AI 😢
You don’t have to feel bad. 🤷🏻♀️ I mean I hate AI more than anyone I know but you’re not the one stealing and profiting off of artist works. You’re just listening to music with the assumption it was made in good faith and entered the creative arena fairly. Thank you for the recommendations btw! 🎉
i recommend checking out Monterey Bay Aquarium, they have music made by real human artists
>finds something that makes them feel less miserable
>freaks out at feeling good
>stops the thing
Genius right there
@@LuluTheCorgi man, I got other shit that makes me feel good. the point is that I felt miserable finding out that it was AI. I'm not trying to be a chump giving these guys who think these playlists are a "side hustle" or a "passive income business in 3 easy steps" easy money. like I said in my comment, I've got other stuff to listen to that makes me happy. I'm just saying, it's disappointing finding out that it's AI
because human made lofi beats are so low effort, easy to make, and steal from other artists already, that they could easily be made by AI in the first place.
collecting some of the recs I see people mentioning (mostly jazz, lofi, vaporware artists/channels and what not from what I can tell):
the jazzhop cafe
greafer
purple cat
kudasai beats
jim butler's "deep energy" sci fi music
Patrick lenk
playlists of the background music for jon bois documentaries (history of [team name] mini series)
captain ahab soundtrack
city girl
in love with a ghost (I personally love the song flowers)
snail's house (kawaii future bass)
cafe de touhou
windows96
instupendo
bonjr
Home
Mareux
late night drive home
macroblank
haircuts for men
afro lofi
sound station
ill-advised records
soundtrack for cowboy bebop and artists behind it
nick torretta
soft machine
herbie hancock
miles davis
frank zappa
check the replies of this comment for more too!
some personal recs are ivy league by potsu and harbor lp by tomppabeats, I also really liked the song james by pat metheny, very relaxing, and I want to check out more of his stuff since I've heard he's good. i also like some early stuff by eery and Idealism. also, lei qiang is a great erhu player with two albums of Chinese traditional music. pretty calming.
Thank you for the list, this is great ❤
@@tamkingshorts of course!
I know a few of those artists and they're really good, so I'm gonna check out the rest later. Thank you for this list!!
my absolute fave is “blue turtle”, a channel that does fantasy and lofi playlists in which they make all of their own art and always credit all of the artists of the songs with timestamps which should be a low bar but i find that it’s rare
another channel rec i have is “lepreezy” which also makes their own art and does jazz and oldies
Great list! Also commenting to add "Off the Label" - formerly "R-life." I have listened to them for years and they try to spotlight underground artists and they also do different types of music along with lofi
It sounds like elevator music used in a comedy to be specifically bad.
Stinky luddite take 🫵
Hey, i like that theme.
"let's use the elevator"
"nice music, right"
"yeah"
...
"dang, this ride never ends! Good thing that we have elevator music!"
"even if it's a little repetitive"
*soft laugh track*
...
"I'm tired of hearing this"
*soft laugh track*
"let's break the radio"
*loud laugh track*
Bro they didn't even change the instruments it's just the same electric piano sample over the same drum beats 😭
It’s happening to the piano jazz cafe channels too. And those are my favorite ones. I have had to search HARD to find authentic ones lately.
I’m trying to compile a playlist of non-ai lofi, piano jazz cafe, and other music/ambient videos.
Had to unsubscribe from multiple channels after realizing that their images/animations were AI. Not sure about their music, but I think they were AI too.
I've started listening to so much more live jazz because of this. It's been nice, I was missing out!
Cafe de touhou (I think that's what it's called) is some pretty good jazz and it's non AI too
A lot of things are getting affected by ai: writing, arts, music. Like goddamn, ai must be their best friend
@@Unbelievablyunfunny Thanks!
I didn't expect the first video on your playlist to be Kuromi lo-fi. It's a cool playlist, though.
Oh god I was WAITING for someone to talk about it, I noticed it a while back and just. It’s so frustrating. PLEASE.
I hate that that thumbnail would actually go really hard as album art for actual music. Like can you imagine if instead of AI slop, it was mid centry inspired songs??
That’s exactly what I was expecting when I clicked on it. But when I listened, I was like, “oh, never mind, this ain’t what I’m looking for.”
They even included a great gatsby quote and everything, giving the music a bit of a 20s swing feel would be cool.
id seen ( a ) sip on my reccomended once and had zero idea it was ai generated while listenting to it i feel so bad now.
same...
@@AxelRaisin bot
@@tuckerbugeater what ? I"m not ? :')
same,,
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 aaaack, thank you for bringing it up! :( I started listening to DJs livestreams because I CAN SEE who is playing! I'm wary of faceless playlists now 😭😭😭😭😭
Rec 2: th-cam.com/video/uxRRuHH4po8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WtTn-_GUwYSbc8wr
Steezyaf is real! They credit their artists in the description!
Same! Discovering The Boiler Room has been a happy effect of me avoiding all this AI schlock
@@TheChilaxicleright? I'll be listening to that and paying more attention! If a channel is faceless, as the video states, check the description for track credits!
Recommending Aixie! th-cam.com/video/pKPJ_qYG-kE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uzDB0vJW7WbNhqfv Please give her music a listen!
Thank you so much for calling out the channel in the thumbnail. That video appeared in my algorithm the other day, and I dug the tunes for about 20 minutes, but before long I got the sense it was AI generated. Sure enough, I checked the channel, and it had multiple hour long releases of original music within the last few days. When channels churn out instrumental music that fast to feed the algorithm, it's a surefire sign it's AI schlock. I hate it so much when they obfuscate it, so thanke for bringing attention to the issue.
You could give music by the artist Aixie a listen! No AI, just a chill person that likes making chill music!
People saying stuff like "why does it matter" have no respect for artists.
Why do artists inherently deserve respect?
@LuluTheCorgi everyone inherently deserves respect.
@@LuluTheCorgigo a week without art (movies, games, music, TV, included) and then we can talk
@@bujusticDeal. Do billboards and wall murals count?
@@snowmeows3342 public consumption is hard to avoid and still function, we'll have to stick with private consumption because otherwise it would be impossible
Before AI, we had a thing called Musak. It was nondescript background music played in stores and offices to keep people calm and not get stressed from the overwhelming silence.
It wasn't that uncanny though
City Girl is also a great lofi artist!
YES! lovee City Girl 🏙️
same! city girl’s music is so calming, and the album artwork is always stunning too :’)🫶🏻💖
Recommending Aixie! Please give her music a listen: th-cam.com/video/pKPJ_qYG-kE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uzDB0vJW7WbNhqfv Please give her music a listen!
It looks like she hasn't posted in a while? Maybe I found the wrong channel?
@@t0bi_333The art looks like Vicki Sigh. I hope they got permission to use it! They probably did but TH-cam has trained me to think everyone steals thumbnail art.
My favorite album of this year (so far!) is a very soothing lofi-ish album, Qué Nos Mantiene Despiertos by Ine Güemes! I would highly recommend it as both calming background music, and as music that’s well-made and interesting and rewards careful listening, too!
I remembered loving Nujabes. before Lo-fi became popular. It's always been my alltime favorite since Champloo days. It wasn't until circa 2015 people started putting lo-fi up around the same time City Pop and Vaporwave came around. This was the trend at the time, but lo-fi was a derivative of those trends (evven though Nujabes was made a decade before, it wasn't popularized until around 2015). Then around late 2015/early 2016, I remember when Lo-fi girl came out. That's was when it got REALLY popular.
Man, these were good college days for me.
RIP SEBA!!!! DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE 😢
ooh this hurts a lot.. i genuinely enjoyed the musics in that channel, ironic that i vibe with it while i'm making my art assignments :( thank you for the awareness!
As a music producer, I don't really mind people dabbling with ai music.
What I quite dislike however is when people try to pass those off as their own creations with no added efforts and distribute them on streaming platforms.
I swear, if I get another recommendation of musics "made" by that Unfinish guy, I might lose my mind.
I was gonna ask about this like I know about music production and can sing but I’m just too goddamn stuck with bad autism motor skills to play instruments so I always wondered if I would be hated for making something but having like, one part of it be generated
@kaydwessie296 Even with autism motor skills, you should be able to at least produce music digitally (like I do), but you would likely need some equipments to accomodate for it.
I think people would be fine with you generating music and releasing it as long as there's enough "human input", like writing the melodies for example, or starting from something AI-generated and reinterpreting it.
If you're a singer however, people would probably be chill with it most of the times (unless they are AI-haterd) because the focus would be on yourself rather than the backing audio.
Bruh!!! This right here!!!! Omg is it horrifying to hear a beat and then be like "wait a minute" when it ends abruptly, or the arrangement doesn't make sense, or when it sounds like anything off those AI channels! You nailed it. Not being creative with the sound being spit out is my biggest problem with AI. like, you could chop it at least? Change the pitch? Reverse it? No!!!!
Straight raw upload!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's ridiculous!
@@kaydwessie296there's loops. Made by real people.
You can find real made loops or sample packs created by real people instead of AI generated. Add your own spin to it. No need for AI at all really.
noooo i was actually jamming to both these channel trying to finish my deadline and came across your video during my break 😭😭 this is devastating
Thank you for shouting out Nujabes the GOAT may he rest in peace
I didn't realise that these were AI music channels and I was listening to them without knowing. I thought it was channels making their own muzak style background music but I did noticed Home Alone and their clones were using more AI art thumbnails (that I can tell really well for now).
That I recommend, listen to muzak if you want actual "junk" background music made with real hands at least. Thank you for confirming these sus channels cuz my untrained ears couldn't pick up what was wrong until I noticed more of the same channels were popping up all over my feed.
Love your videos hun don't stop making them❤
another good not AI music channel is Luv or Not which seemed to have been made way before AI music became new junk to pump out. I checked their playlist and they're real musicians that's in their playlist. It's a jazz type of channel so a lot of their music was way before computer manipulation.
no way I tought those were real 😭 literally wouldn't have known without this video, I hate ai
DUDE SAME HERE 😭😭 😭. ILEGITMENTLY THOUGHT THESE SONG WERE REAL BUT THEY WERE AI. I FEEL SCAMMED NOW
legit, i had it saved to a youtube playlist where I have a bunch of albums/playlists that pop up in my recommended and was gonna listen to it. so glad this video was in my recommended too,
You dont hate it, you like the music it can produce. In the near future when more advance ai are available, you can just ask your phone or Smart Home device to give you "rain and lofi sleep sounds" and you will get this quality mix automatically generated.
@@handler8838 but that’s not what I want, I want to be able to support an artist who made it with their own input and passion. I understand it’s easy if you just want to be able to quickly listen to some simple chill music, but what about the people who make that type of music as a job or something, they literally have to compete with a computer
@@crimsonicss You didnt even give enough of a F**k to check if they existed, I doubt your sleeping playlist was that carefully picked before you saw this video.
I was the comment featured at 3:33. I’m so glad that now this issue has been brought to light. People in the comments were arguing with me about it, denying it!
This and rain sound videos deserve a deep investigation imo
rain sounds? ppl are using ai for this too?? 😭
@@thatkidkickedsandincoolcat4860 ppl use it for everything now 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Aren't rain sound videos just somebody frying chicken?
If you're gonna use generative AI for anything, 10 hours of rain sounds seems like a pretty good use case lol
to generate rain sound is INSANE!! omg
Thank you for covering on this topic. It means alot especially for lofi artists since some make it their livelihood and bringing attention to issues like this really brings exposure on the troubles of independent artists especially during this day and age.
The music that the documentarian Jon Bois uses in his video projects is top-notch music for all your background listening needs. People have made playlists compiling the music he's used in each of his Dorktown "history of [team name]" miniseries, and he even made a Spotify playlist himself for the music used in the most recent "The History of the Minnesota Vikings" miniseries. I listened to the Captain Ahab soundtrack a lot during college when I was doing my readings and it was great.
Oh my goodness, I knew that home alone channel was AI soon after I started listening to it. I asked a couple of times if it was AI music and my comments got deleted, and afterwards I emailed them and they refused to answer my question and kept giving me ChatGPT-like replies. Needless to say, I am definitely surprised that they're now actually admitting it's AI in their comments section, and it's just shameful that they weren't up front about it in the first place.
same happened to me today with "archive7" channel. I have commented some things about AI in his channel and all I got is that he is the composer, intellectual owner of the songs. Did a little research and it seems the guy has knownledge about music platforms and software but I'm still sure AI is involved in his "creations".
I'm pretty pissed off because I liked the music that it's there, and in other channels too, but when I see them denying the truth and making donation pages for "promoting their work" I cannot take it anymore
I used to watch these videos with my dad :) I miss doing that, but when I watch I feel a sort of connection to him still. Your videos are always good
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NO WAAAAAAAY i thought this is human-made .... i've been listening to their videos 24/7
Who cares if it's made by ai based on songs created by humans or made by humans based on songs created by others before
@@AzweeeL but there's no proof it's ai
i notice this a lot too, i hate it. i put on jazz/piano music for my dogs while im at work, and half if not most of livestreams that happen have shitty ai generated background and plays the same music over and over with no credit so im guessing its ai. ill have to try to filter it out better.
omg i was listening to AI playlist without knowing so. i do agree that ai music should have an indicator on the top of the description so at least the viewers know.
Wow you have a good take on jazz as background music.
Most people don't get jazz. When I ask my students what they think of jazz they associate it with fancy restaurants.
It's not their fault, but I wise people were exp papped to the jazz that is really sick and wild and crazy.
"I wise people were exp papped"
lol I'm assuming you meant "I wish people were exposed"
Exactly, it's just like when ppl reduce bossa nova to elevator music
The playlists were so good 😭 its good to know the background behind these channels.
Nujabes mention!! 🙌
It's a shame the direction digital art is going - both visual and audio. I hope in the future, AI generated content is required/automatically detected and clearly disclosed as such on all social platforms.
I really like Jim Butler's "Deep Energy" sci-fi music and Patrick Lenk's hauntingly beautiful for my "relaxation music"... both are real people and not robots. I have anxiety and I'm neurodivergent and I find these are helpful, so its a shame AI is taking over.
ughhh I feel this heavily. the past couple years has been sensory hell, songs with lyrics just overload me most of the time, and it has become such a struggle finding literally anything. I just wanna listen to music and have variety in that music without having a sensory overload caused meltdown but I guess in dying internet that's too much to ask! I have to dig through mountains of AI to find anything real anymore.
@@AveryAnarchylapfox trax
i swear even before ai lofi i've noticed that it has gotten so watered down. I thought that i just wasn't into lofi anymore but some of the lofi that i used to listen to in like 2017 came back on my fyp recently and it still holds up, i still love it
Yo, literally right after I clicked out of this video, TH-cam recommended me an A.I. "Southern Rock" video wtf
Well that explains it, I would click the videos because the thumbnails looked good, and then click off 3 mins later when the music was just so boring. Idk why I didn't consider it to be AI, I think because past couple years lofi has been becoming elevator music so that's how this ai goes under the radar
this explains so much- I like random music videos/compiliations and the cover looked pretty but I thought these videos sounded... okay but kind of bad and had a bad feeling.
Artificial food: OK! Industrialized clothes: OK! Industrialized art: OMG, WE GOTTA STOP THAT!
this but unironically
Was not expecting the Satisfactory music in the background of this video. Been playing that game so much recently I thought I was hearing things.
It’s so addictive! I couldnt put my finger on the music but it was so familiar lol
My algorithm just saved me cause I was immediately falling down this with a real hope they were just some basement gremlin releasing every they make good or bad
These AI music videos are also in the genre of like mixed east asian music, like japanese trap etc. I didn't notice they were AI at first, but after a short while you notice how everything sounds the same-ish, and sometimes "not right". I can't really explain what I mean, because I'm no musician, but if you're been listening to a lot of music your whole life you can sometimes hear what is AI and what isn't. Kind of how even people who only paint as a hobby can spot AI images.
I got recommended (a) sip as well and yeah the vibes were off. Tried googling for the artist, couldn't find anything at all, and the rate of videos being released tipped me off. Glad im not going crazy
At times like this, I'm grateful that my music listening habits consist of the same songs and artists I've listened to since middle school. If I never listen to anything new, I can never be fooled by AI. 💪🧠
What a coincidence! Just today, I listened to 3 mixes from (a). while working and after a few minutes of the first video, it became clear that it was AI, but it didn't stop me from listening to the others while working. The problem for me is, we focus on working while working, right? But as someone who works from home, I personally look for music in the background that is empty, flat, non-tiring, fluid, in other words, "doesn't require my focus". I really like these AI musics in this sense. Because they are flat, fun, and don't tire me.
For example, I really like Pink Floyd or let's say Morten Granau from another genre. I tried listening to Pink Floyd while working before. At some point, I find myself disconnecting from work, putting on my headphones, leaning back, focusing on the song and appreciating the music. Or I suddenly find myself dancing while listening to Morten Granau. But you see, I also need to work. This is where AI music comes into play. "Good music is good music". I agree with that from this perspective. Is it better than Pink Floyd? :D Come on.
The kind of art that truly speaks to humanity in a profound way can only come from another human being. AI surprises us because it is only just beginning to develop.
Oh. I thought "what is"was a legit artist.. damn. Its sad i liked one of their music in the youth playlist. Ill go back to lofi girl since they still get their music from real artists, hopefully
This is so true! It’s become such a problem and it’s really annoying. I check the descriptions first thing now after clicking on a music video. It’s crazy how many low-effort music channels keep popping up. Thanks for making a video about this!
I like the generative AI music for "cyberpunk ambient" streams. In my head, that it's AI is 100% on-point in the whole cyberpunk idea.
I listen to a lot of jazz, fusion, prog metal and other typically instrumental genres so hearing someone with a platform bring up the way people reduce that type of music to just background stuff is refreshing to me
the fact I watched this video right after listening to Hmayra by Shubh Saran made it extra painful
I make lofi and spend a lot of time doing so, seeing this kinda stuff is just kinda soul crushing and honestly has made me pursue other genres. I'll always make music but making lofi kinda felt like home, now people only see what I make as 'background music' at best when I've been studying for years about jazz progressions, getting swing and good timing on my drums, sampling with intention etc. For people who make this kind of music a LOT goes into it, sad really.
DUUUDE... This showed up for me one day and I instantly liked, because I was looking for some background music while working 🙆🏽
nujabes mentioned let's fucking gooooo
It's so wild that this video came up on my homepage after literally all of these videos and their respective channels have been "recommended" to me. I noticed the similarities between channels and felt like something was off, but I couldn't determine why this was. Now it makes so much sense that they are AI-generated. Thank you for bringing this to my attention with your video!
If you're looking for some jazz recommendations, I'd suggest Hugh Masakela, Berlioz, Quincy Jones, Mulatu Astatke, Grover Washington Jr., and Bill Withers!
Dont worry pinely im sure youtube is investing in stopping -checks notes- oh nvm theyre still going after ad blockers
(a) sip has been my go to jam whenever I was working for the past 1-2 months since the channel popped on my home screen.
Now that you have mentioned I did felt like I was listing to same song but I never noticed as I was not focusing that much on the songs !
5:35 my guy just summarized what I said in da comment a min after :P
damn home again as well :(
Even lofi channels that use real music have a massive plagiarism problem. So often will they reupload other people's tracks without permission or credit. Often times they won't have a tracklist so you can't even track down where the song came from!
my god I've been listening to these lately. Jeez. Guess I'm gonna go for the live DJ dayrooms now.
Derrick Gee is really everywhere. On my fyp, in Hamburg and now in an Evil Pinely video?
The fact that I saw this video on recommended and then three videos down it’s this what is ?channel .
Kudasai Beats comes to mind for really good lofi artists, I remember listening to a lot of it :) Technicolor was one of my favorites
Thanks for spreading the word on this, when you're not fully paying attention to the music, which these 'chill' playlists are meant for by design, it's quite easy to miss how samey they sound.
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK
I LOVE WHAT IS
IT AI???? DUDE I CANT BELIEVE MY MORNING ALARM IS AI GENERATED
"I've listened to music and thought, 'this is pretty good.' Should learning it was AI suddenly change my opinion of it?"
Yeah because eating fast food burgers made out of gray sludge isn't too good for your health
I hate AI """"""""""""art"""""""""""""" of all forms. Music, images, models whatever. Gross. A destruction of humanity, a crime against life and the world
But with AI making all the art we'll have time for the fun jobs like shoveling shit for rich people.
What's crazy, I came across the "home alone." channel a few months ago, and I would have never guessed it had AI incorporated into the music. I never even bothered to look at the description or the pinned comment, where it discloses the usage of AI; I just was looking for some chill music!
Thank you for covering this topic, because I'm going to be more aware and do some more research into the music I listen to.
#Subscribed
Purple cat is a great lofi artist
love ur background mate.
Also, a sip was recommended as a related video to this.
There’s sooooooo much lofi out there in an infinite amount of subgenres, why on earth do we need ai to make more
$$$ That's literally the only reason, because it's not like a human artist making art. It's a soulless and disposable collection of notes and sounds made by a soulless and disposable AI. It's anti-art.
thanks for bringing this up, I was surprised how many people don't find these channels sketchy.
0:15 Is that Satisfactory's sound in the background... love it!
what is satisfactory's sound?
@@theunoriginaldude8345 It's music from the game "Satisfactory".
Ngl, as an amateur music producer, this is filling me with unimaginable dread 😭
It's like im getting shanked even before I properly get started