I know it’s tight in there but you could improve the working angle of the center u-joint by reducing the length of the horizontal shaft and increasing the length of the vertical shaft. This will lessen the angle on the joint. Even if it’s only an inch it will help. 👍🏼
Nice work, man! Seeing those steering shafts turning was a thing of beauty! So you steered me toward Don Hentzell’s rad roadster pickup recently… and this week’s installment helped me realize that I’m going to have to re-think my plan for a side steering setup, because, you know, fenders… I’m a big fan of side steering or cowl steering setups. Have you seen examples of that with full fenders? Or do I need to start thinking cross steering? I don’t think I can let go of the full fendered roadster pickup look, it’s just too cool. But if there is a graceful way to do so without switching lanes to cross steering, I’d love to know it. Gracias amigo!
You could do it, the factory model a was side steer with fenders... they did it by putting the shaft through the frame. the "traditional" thing often put an f1 box on top of the frame rail, that would be problematic, unless you cut a hole in the fender and send the drag link through... the choice I would say depends on how you want to drive it... the cross steer system has better geometry and less bump steer. all fords had it by 1935. In side steer,the drag link is perpendicular to the axle...lets say you are driving straight down the road... you hit a bump.... as the axle goes up and down the distance between the fixed steering box(on the frame) and steering arm (that is moving up and down) changes slightly...but they are connected solid with a drag link... and the steering box is on the frame, so the only thing that can allow all that movent is the wheels changing direction slightly. Even the best side steer set ups have this issue and there are a lot of ways to make it worse (short drag links, not having the draglink parallel to the wish bone... incorrect pivot location) but this goes on to how you want to drive it, sunday cruiser, cars and coffee etc.. it should be fine. if you want to take it above 50 regularly or on the highway its something to consider. In my experience... there is a difference between thrilling and fun to drive and nerve wracking to drive... and when they are sketchy its not fun to drive... then you end up not driving it. My last T was very period correct "traditional" side steer, y block, 40 ford brakes... even had a 56 Thunderbird 3 speed with overdrive ...never took it on the highway once. it was a lot more fun to build than to drive.
@@betweenthesharksgarage I appreciate the insights and your experience. I have never had the thrill of actually driving an old hotrod like this… it’s all conceptual still - hell it may never even get finished and drivable, I am still just trying to collect parts… Assuming I keep going though, is experiencing bump steer, at speed, for the first time the thrilling experience I am after? Thanks for helping me flesh out this decision tree in my flow chart of hot rodding hypothetical-itude-ism… 🤙🤪
@@tomellis5462in my opinion.... no that is not the thrill you are after...it may be the kind of thing that makes you park it. even perfectly dialed in these things are a thrill ride... you don't need it to be all over the road sloppy-like due to bad geometry to get kicks. either way you go... do the research and learn the steering geometry to make it the best version of what you go with traditional or cross steer. collection parts, learning, and hot rodding hypothetical-itude-ism are some of the best parts of the process ... in the end it all depends on what you want... if you go with a traditional period correct hot rod build.. thats what you will get... a really cool hot rod built to be quick banging around 2 lane roads before the interstate was even developed... i was never brave enough to put mine on a highway next to a tractor trailer ... i knew it was fast enough, but it did not handle well enough or stop fast enough to risk it. Its the only car i ever got rid of... it was a blast to build but not to drive so I traded it for the 67 Cadillac i still have and drive on the interstate next to tractor trailers. its that whole experience that is informing my steering choices and brake choices on this hot rod build www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/model-a-front-end-steering-issues.936013/page-2 in this thread is a great pete and jakes diagram that will help you wrap your head around it... maybe i ll do a video
Your doing great work on it. Keep up the great work. when your dog Barks my Parrots start barking. I hope the Murder Van is doing good, I named my van The Mad Parrot after my Macaw Drago for he is a mean little shit.Sorry I haven't commented a lot on your videos Joy of being in the hospital. I love that your a down to earth guy who build cool vehicles.
Good show....I remember when this Jalopy was a bunch of pieces of floppy tin....looks so good now
thank man i appreciate that
Should be fine as long as there is no binding. Its a light car so it doesn't take much to steer it.
I know it’s tight in there but you could improve the working angle of the center u-joint by reducing the length of the horizontal shaft and increasing the length of the vertical shaft. This will lessen the angle on the joint. Even if it’s only an inch it will help. 👍🏼
you aren't wrong.... if a guy had bought more steering shaft ...lol
Nice work, man! Seeing those steering shafts turning was a thing of beauty!
So you steered me toward Don Hentzell’s rad roadster pickup recently… and this week’s installment helped me realize that I’m going to have to re-think my plan for a side steering setup, because, you know, fenders…
I’m a big fan of side steering or cowl steering setups. Have you seen examples of that with full fenders? Or do I need to start thinking cross steering?
I don’t think I can let go of the full fendered roadster pickup look, it’s just too cool. But if there is a graceful way to do so without switching lanes to cross steering, I’d love to know it.
Gracias amigo!
You could do it, the factory model a was side steer with fenders... they did it by putting the shaft through the frame.
the "traditional" thing often put an f1 box on top of the frame rail, that would be problematic, unless you cut a hole in the fender and send the drag link through...
the choice I would say depends on how you want to drive it... the cross steer system has better geometry and less bump steer. all fords had it by 1935.
In side steer,the drag link is perpendicular to the axle...lets say you are driving straight down the road... you hit a bump.... as the axle goes up and down the distance between the fixed steering box(on the frame) and steering arm (that is moving up and down) changes slightly...but they are connected solid with a drag link... and the steering box is on the frame, so the only thing that can allow all that movent is the wheels changing direction slightly. Even the best side steer set ups have this issue and there are a lot of ways to make it worse (short drag links, not having the draglink parallel to the wish bone... incorrect pivot location)
but this goes on to how you want to drive it, sunday cruiser, cars and coffee etc.. it should be fine. if you want to take it above 50 regularly or on the highway its something to consider.
In my experience... there is a difference between thrilling and fun to drive and nerve wracking to drive... and when they are sketchy its not fun to drive... then you end up not driving it. My last T was very period correct "traditional" side steer, y block, 40 ford brakes... even had a 56 Thunderbird 3 speed with overdrive ...never took it on the highway once. it was a lot more fun to build than to drive.
@@betweenthesharksgarage I appreciate the insights and your experience. I have never had the thrill of actually driving an old hotrod like this… it’s all conceptual still - hell it may never even get finished and drivable, I am still just trying to collect parts…
Assuming I keep going though, is experiencing bump steer, at speed, for the first time the thrilling experience I am after?
Thanks for helping me flesh out this decision tree in my flow chart of hot rodding hypothetical-itude-ism… 🤙🤪
@@tomellis5462in my opinion.... no that is not the thrill you are after...it may be the kind of thing that makes you park it. even perfectly dialed in these things are a thrill ride... you don't need it to be all over the road sloppy-like due to bad geometry to get kicks.
either way you go... do the research and learn the steering geometry to make it the best version of what you go with traditional or cross steer.
collection parts, learning, and hot rodding hypothetical-itude-ism are some of the best parts of the process ...
in the end it all depends on what you want... if you go with a traditional period correct hot rod build.. thats what you will get... a really cool hot rod built to be quick banging around 2 lane roads before the interstate was even developed... i was never brave enough to put mine on a highway next to a tractor trailer ... i knew it was fast enough, but it did not handle well enough or stop fast enough to risk it. Its the only car i ever got rid of... it was a blast to build but not to drive so I traded it for the 67 Cadillac i still have and drive on the interstate next to tractor trailers. its that whole experience that is informing my steering choices and brake choices on this hot rod build
www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/model-a-front-end-steering-issues.936013/page-2 in this thread is a great pete and jakes diagram that will help you wrap your head around it... maybe i ll do a video
Dude u missed the sign! Turn ur manifolds upside down and put turbos on it. Lotsa room👍
it was right in front of me the whole time
Your doing great work on it. Keep up the great work. when your dog Barks my Parrots start barking. I hope the Murder Van is doing good, I named my van The Mad Parrot after my Macaw Drago for he is a mean little shit.Sorry I haven't commented a lot on your videos Joy of being in the hospital. I love that your a down to earth guy who build cool vehicles.
thanks joe... hang in there you ll be back at it in no time
Good content. Please try to steady the camera. I feel like we're on a boat at sea.
thanks man... imagine how i feel... wobblin around like that all the time