The RECON Tourniquet is Dead (and it is a good thing)
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- The RECON tourniquet is a cheap knockoff of the CAT that has been being manufactured in China with no quality control for the past several years. Luckily RECON medical lost a lawsuit to Composite Resources (the parent company of NAR) and has been barred from making their product. The judge found evidence that RECON intentionally tried to trick their customers into thinking they were buying the RATS and the CEO is on record admitting that the RECON tourniquet had delamination issues.
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I don't understand all the comments about buying the Recon because it's CHEAPER??? There's NO peer reviewed published papers or evidence biased science demonstrating that it works effectively! On the other hand, the CAT and SOFTW have 3,000+ documented saves in combat and EMS, in addition to dozens of published studies demonstrating that they work! Saving a few bucks on a life saving piece of equipment is like buying a Hi point pistol for home defense for your family and kids...sure it "might" work? Agree or disagree?
Exactly. I would even go so far as to say it would PROBABLY work but that “probably” is a pretty scary word when we are talking medical equipment. We wouldn’t accept a product like the RECON in any other healthcare setting, so why would we accept it in the “tactical” industry.
so are you telling every young father and mother out there who cant afford a sig to go unprotected until they save up enough to buy one? that is a poor argument
Of course not. Why would there be any peer reviewed data on a competitive, cheaper, effective product?
This is not an efficacy issue, this is a money issue.
@@PrepMedic how many repetitions and hours do you have on Recon tourniquets?
I would doubt very little. I understand as a youtube personality and a swat medic you can't recommend certain products, but youre completely dismissing those who do have experience with said products. Again, this is not an efficacy issue, it's a money issue. Have you noticed the company isn't going after any other companies producing subpar cat clones?
@@TXAslingr the real question is why are you using a product that has known QC issues and has no data to support its use. That's pretty unethical to use on patient's in the real world, especially when there are 7 other options on the market that come with peer reviewed studies and strict manufacturing guidelines.
For any first responder in a poor country money makes all the difference. I live in Argentina and win U$S 700 a month, that puts me in the top 10% that have the higher income in my country (out average monthly income compaes to Haiti). My subordinates win maybe US$ 300 a month and a CAT o SOFTT-W will cost us, after shipping and taxes, U$S 100 or more. You can imagine no one has a TQ here.
The only cop I know that has one is me and, being honest, my guys can't afford a CAT. So I'd rather they at least but a chinese copy or a Recon. Bad TQ means they might have a chance, and no TQ mean they bleed out.
Now, were I a US LEO, I'd agree and only aproved TQs.
Totalmente de acuerdo Luciano, estamos en la misma. Ahora un Recon sale 12mil, contra 18mil del SAM, por lo menos por ahora, porque en cualquier momento pega otra escalada el precio. Abrazo
I'd like to see CAT offer a multi pack at a huge price per item discount. I really need a total of 7 or 8 for different task/activity kits I have, and laying out $200 + or continually re-locating the 2 real CATs I own now are both a pain.
They would lose money doing that.
I just buy LE NAR kits include Cat7 with other items for a very reasonable price.
Give me 10 for $220 free shipping and ill buy a 10 pack every 4 months 😂
@@TXAslingr they would rake up less money, have you seen how much these companies make in profits a year? But to heck with losing 3% revenue on their already 200% growth.
When I was stationed at Ft. Stewart the ladies that received issued gear turn in would dump excess medical supplies in a box for anyone to grab. I think I have about 20 of them
If anyone wants I left a recon medical outside in the elements for 4 months and then threw in a drawer and it’s been in there for a couple years now. Decided to test it on my thigh and it definitely works. 2 turns past “ow fuck” so definitely works. The aluminum and fabric is all discolored the white time tape has fraying but still works. Just my 2ct
Good a tourniquet should hold the weather and time
just don’t cheap out on life saving equipment. you have one time to save someone’s life, make it count…
One thing I do like about the Recon tourniquet is that it has a pen built into the windless
Well that explains why they aren't on Amazon any longer. There are still a lot of cheaper TQ's that look similar to CAT, but they are obviously manufactured in China. I have several Recon Medical TQ's. I bought them for stop the bleed classes and in those classes, we train real-world use and we've never had one fail, they always achieve sufficient pain. As for me personally, I view first aid/medical items the same way I view my personal defense items and that is I want to have and use what I know works. Granted sometimes that means I'm using something "old school" esp certain black rifle parts, but I know what has been down range and is proven and that is more important to me than saving some bucks, or in some cases saving some weight. But that's my philosophy. I have far more SOF TQ's because that is what I have more experience with and I don't worry about failure. I rotate medical items in the IFAKs in my truck because here in Texas it does get hotter than 10 hells, and it just makes sense to rotate certain items in my truck IFAKs and also on my kit that end up wet from weather, sweat, plus heat and cold and TQ's are part of that rotation. That said if I rolled up to a situation where a TQ needed to be applied and the injured person only has a Recon Medical TQ on him, I'm not going to start ranting at him about having a cheap knock-off TQ while they bleed out. 🙂
I know the owner of recon, he’s got a great little shop in Northern California and he is so supportive of law enforcement and emts. You can go into his shop and be like hey you should make these and 6 weeks later he’ll have them. Police depts up here have to turn him away because of all the free shit he gives us its too big of donations they have to go to city first
I am not here to put individuals down or take away from good things a company has done. I take some exception to shady marketing techniques and what I feel is lack to due diligence when it comes to QC which puts people needlessly at risk. All of that aside I will not pretend to know the character of the RECON CEO.
@@PrepMedic it’s all good your video was accurate and informative. I just wanted peooole to know it’s not some weird foreign company give people shit products for greed
@@PrepMedic i thank you for your videos and advice i have learned alot. but that being said when you make a claim and we know you make money forn the item you are promoting , it kind of leads to questions. why not do a test between both , uncut raw fair testing and see how it goes?
The cut out hole in my opinion serves a true purpose. Its actually one of my favorite features about the tourniquet. Not only for fine motor skill purposes under duress but if you happen to lose multiple fingers or a thumb, this feature allows for convenient application. Not only have I purchased the Recon Med before but Ive actually used it in the field and it worked as prescribed...
I think there is definitely an argument to be had about quality control concerns and manufacturing concerns with items oversees. But lets not pretend like none of our medical supplies are manufactured overseas...
As far as the adhesive coming off, ok? The adhesive does not prevent the tourniquet from being effective.
I could see a need for the thumb hole; fine motor movement is problematic under stress and pinching motion can be tough to do through trauma/blood-soaked hands vs a simple finger hole for leverage. My 2c
The problem becomes that everything beyond the thumbhole is now decoration, from an engineering POV.
@@bashkillszombies an attempt to skirt patent violations.
The thumb hole is for self application. If you are alone and have to apply the tourniquet on yourself, that thumb hole really helps if you're one arm down. I think the NAR CAT should actually do that for the next generation.
NAR should offer a buy up, if they're so concerned.
July 27th 2021 in Reno, I saved a kids life after he was shot 7 times with 2 recon medical chest seals, and a recon medical Gen 4 tourniquet. Worked without a hitch to stop an arterial bleed from 2 9mm rounds high in the left thigh. My case is annicdotal but I think the TQs are great, and NAR should stop being sue happy gatekeepers with the only brand that's challenged their market...
As I said, they will work most of the time but having no qc presents an unacceptable risk for me when there are better alternatives. I don’t know why everybody keeps on saying that recon was the only other brand that gave them competition when there are six other brand tourniquets that are evidence based and CoTCCC recommended.
I don’t understand why you would buy anything made in China given another option it’s only Strengthening our enemies
They aren’t gatekeeping anything. Recons are subpar tourniquets, the market is already flooded with approved TQs
I actually bought a Recon Medical 2 pack in December 2020 and I actually had to use one today to save a guys life at work. He was working on the roof of a metal building removing it when just about the worst case could have happened that the roof gave way. The metal roof lacerated his right arm and he fell 10' to the concrete floor below. I had the tourniquet staged on my range bag and we had to apply it to stop the bleeding. The tourniquet was in perfect condition, and worked flawlessly. There was no lack of quality and I'm sure the guy who's life was just saved is grateful I had it with me. The next closest thing we had was some shirts and wire. Knowing that I can't buy the Recon now I'll only buy the NAR CAT but I didn't have a lot of money when I bought the Recon but it for sure worked. I also tend to check the quality of my medical equipment from time to time as regular inspection and the second Recon Tourniquet I have is still in good shape as well. I was actually just coming online to buy more of the Recon Tourniquets when I realized I couldn't and that led me to your video. If they really did have failures, ok I can understand that, but I just had one and there is a man alive today who would not be without it.
The fact that Composite Resources had the necessity to sue Recon, given all the other copies in the market....something to think about.
A cheap clone was successfully tricking customers into buying a bad product and got sued because they were better at misleading then other cheap clone companies …. Something to think about.
There has been failure reports on the CAT. Fact is recon got sued because they were beginning to edge on profits and advancing on the CAT design and becoming a superior product. They had issues getting their cert because of the stronghold of CAT contracts and the way money does what money does. Fact is this lawsuit we all lose
Why hasnt say RhinoRescue been sued... or many other companies? Good question to consider if your free thinking
Man, I'm glad I'm not the only one who isnt a NAR cultist.
Chinese slave laborers undercutting American companies who have to pay higher wages.....something to think about.
The hole and the windless is obviously not because they are actually fixing a problem or issue, they are obviously changes to support a patent. Those changes do nothing to compromise the integrity of the devise. As far as manufacturing in China, over 80% of modern medical equipment is manufactured overseas, that's not really relevant. What is relevant is that the free market has allowed a company to make a comparable product at a cheaper price, and the government has stepped in and done what they do best, break down the fabric of free market capitalism. And it probably has nothing to do with all of those government contracts...sure. I've heard stories of CATs failing too, so that can't be the standard we use. I own a few NAR CATs and twice as many Recon, and the number one reason why is price. I have trained with both and found absolutely no difference in quality or in application of the tourniquet. I hope Recon appeals the suit and wins, because this is nothing but chronie capitalism and government favoritism that degrades the free market system this nation was made great on. And seriously, how much did NAR pay you for this video?
The Recon TQs that I have are superior to the CAT TQs that I have. This constant gatekeeping from NAR is getting ridiculous.
First I should point out that there are no less then 7 other tourniquets on the market that have a body of literature to support their use and give them CoTCCC recommended status. But saying that a Chinese made TQ that comes from a factory with no quality control and the CEO admitting under oath that there are delamination issues with several components doesn’t really scream “superior”. Also, zero evidence to support their use.
I like the Recon TQs better than the Cat 7s. I think its just business and a big company broke a smaller one that was competing against it. I bet you anything CAT will come out with a metal windlass in the future. Maybe gen 8 or 9.
What evidence do you have that the quality control used in making the CAT is superior to that being used by Recon. Just curious if that’s conjecture or was there evidence in the lawsuit? Being made in China doesn’t automatically mean low quality control.
In general, yes it means low quality (control). So, it is not a wrong statement.
@@wedo4fun251 I manufacture thousands of items in China through several private label brands. Quality Control certainly can be poor in China, as well as here in the US; though very little manufacturing is even available here in the US. To assume that quality control is low simply becuase it's made in China is presumptuous at best, but possibly dishonest since you aren't taking the time to consider that someone might have inspections and quality testing standards in place.
Except that the owner is on record under oath admitting that they had manufacturing defects.
Also under oath admitting that they had zero QC.
I've actually purchased the recon medical tourniquet myself (fyi: it was my first tourniquet) of course this was a while back when I didn't know anything about true medical supplies but it worked all the same for me I have practiced with it a couple times and every time I felt blood flow be cut off. However i do have 3 other tourniquets now 2 Cats and a Soft w but I still keep my recon medical around because I personally know with mine that I have anyway works. (just my opinion.👍)
Life saving items such as these should be made affordable and accessible to all populace. You cannot put a "premium" on life saving equipment other wise we'll have more EpiPen shenanigans were you life is valued at whatever this companies decide to upmarket these products.
Ahhh... but C-A-T RESOURCES (the real mfr of the CAT TQ, not NAR) would then have to offer discounts to the military and all other government agencies, and we can't have that now, can we? It's all about the money.
Preach
@Lone_ Scout You're kind of blaming the customers for why the company chooses to sell at a big markup. No, the company is responsible for its pricing. I have a couple of trauma kits with no formal training. My trauma kit is for my own use. So if someone does have some knowledge they can use my kit on me and save their own supplies.
Real CAT tourniquets are $30, which really isn't that bad. The higher cost likely goes into quality control and buying more expensive components.
@@8mmmauserman maybe.
I bought a couple of the Recons a couple years back. My philosophy has changed since then, and I only wanna carry proven medical equipment like the CAT. I use the Recon tourniquets as trainers now for my family.
How did they work as trainers?
If they worked well, what's the reasoning for not using them as primaries?
@@TangoDown103 they work well as they are designed almost 100% like the CAT. I’m sure the Recons would work just fine, but I’d rather spend an extra $15 on a CAT for the peace of mind of knowing I have a trustworthy and well tested/proven tourniquet. I’m also issued CAT’s at work and have actually used them on trauma patients, so I trust them.
@@CodCraVe Fair enough. Another question, if I may:
What would have to happen for you to trust RECON as much as CAT? More documented saves? Some kind of lab testing?
I ask because depending on a person's standard of "well proven/tested" being required to carry an item that is used in such extreme circumstances, it would be hard for any new product to measure up.
CATs are government issue for many - so they'll have more field use, and more saves, thus bolstering their reputation. A new product that isn't GI might be better, but since it isn't in circulation, it doesn't get as much testing.
@@TangoDown103 Are you a recon employee ?
@@lel7531 Not at all, just asking the question.
Recon medical tourniquets are completely fine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the one's that I've bought and trained with. I have complete confidence in them working when needed. They were just taken out by a bigger company that felt threatened because they were digging into their profits and were on the up and up.
Sample size of? 1, 2? Would it be acceptable for a surgeons tools to come from a factory that didn’t have quality control? Why is it any different here?
Lemme guess, you think tampons work well for bullet wounds
100%
@@PrepMedicI think alot of us brokies definitely bought into the recon especially for training. I had a basic understanding in who founded the company and came up with the idea and why. That extra $20 is enough to get a decent redundant first aid kit going that can be given to anyone you care about. I think the CAT is still a little overpriced from those government contracts and recon was showing just how much profit they make off of 1 tq. NAR is the way to go but not everybody has NAR money especially for training.
@@Dragonstorm1557GAMING RECON saved money by manufacturing it in china and not paying for any kind of QC. Its not like NAR and RECON came from the same factory.
Thanks for the video that said. As someone that knows some of the people that work there who are now unemployed. And I have several of their tourniquets and I've had not one problem with them not one. I see this video as hey here's a chance to kick someone while they're down and I thus boosting my views. Is here one thing in here saying you tested the tourniquet or pointing out that the parent company of the original tourniquet was upset that somebody was offering something that was exactly the same people were actually using at a better price. If it was that big a pos. Why are they not going after all the Chinese knockoffs on Amazon.? Think about it all they had to do was contact Amazon and say hey this is Pat and infringement and they'll get rid of them but they haven't done it.
Yeah man, I am absolutely not throwing shade at employees or making light of the hardships they are facing right now. To be clear, I have a problem with a product and the practices that went into its manufacturing and marketing. While I understand it might seem like kicking a company when they are down, I am just sharing news that pertains to my following along with my opinion on the matter.
In my experience, Chinese quality control often fails at the factory, the moment a company's representatives leave the premises, the objective becomes cost-cutting- using cheaper materials, decreasing labor times, and even making their own off-brand copy of the product you have contacted them to build.
Chinese products can be well made, but it has to be at the cost of constant supervision and vigilance by the company that has commissioned the job.
I would suggest applying for North American Rescue's discount pricing. It took a few days, but I was approved since I work at a public school. The discount is around 24% - 25% so that brought the tourniquet price down to $22. The discount also applies to all or at least most of their other stuff too.
How did you go about that application. I also work at a public school. My trauma kit has a recon tq that has never been used. That is one reason I shopped the less costly item in the first place.
@@carlstanley9226 Hi Carl, TH-cam keeps deleting the link when I make a comment. Look under FAQs on their website; they have a special pricing application that you fill out. Your organization would be your school district. They’re send you an email when you’re approved or if they need more information.
I do kinda like the videos they put out about the TQ under extreme stress tests, and the things that were put into it though
There is no evidence that it doesn't work either!!!
Besides the CEO stating under oath that they have delamination issues…. Also, there is no evidence to support a chain saw doesn’t work for an appendectomy…. Still not something I am willing to try
@@PrepMedic so are you saying that the delam affects ALL Recons?
Whats your claim? They HAD issues?
the two improvements they did were really an attempt to get around the patent on the CAT and nothing to do with improving the device so understand the patent ruling. I have used 2 in training and they have worked. Inspected the other 8 I have and they are comparable to the CAT in quality at least the 5 CAT that I bought from NAR. Velcro will fail and start slipping in wet conditions and I don't think that is unique to recon. Open to hear more about failures, but just because a Recon fails doesn't mean a CAT would do better. Also, that is why backups are recommended.
@@zippitydoohdangtwang honestly we could just buy tiedown straps from harbor freight, cut to size, and use a steel bolt as a windlass. No patent issues, would work just as well and unlikely to fail at the level of use.
@@zippitydoohdangtwang yeah they are debated for good reason, but if people would actually try their equipment that would be a bigger improvement. Always get at least 2 one to try and one to use and ideally a backup when you need it if possible. before I knew any better I bought a knockoff cat clone on amazon because it was cheap, but really couldn't get it to cut off flow. The SOFT-W is what I keep on me because it is stupid low profile. I can rubber band it with a chest seal and sealed zfold gauze and put it in a pocket.
Yeah people in here are acting like there's no way to know if a TQ will work until there are 10 million documented cases of it working on the battlefield. People are being silly and acting like a piece of nylon webbing might mysteriously fail to get tight when twisted with a windlass. These devices aren't that complicated and don't need to be treated with such superstition. You should still inspect your gear, but after that, there is nothing that a big price markup will do to improve the reliability of an identical piece of gear.
I was just looking to buy another Recon tourniquet for my 3rd kit. (I have both NAR CAT and Recon TQs). I couldn't find one anywhere and was searching the Internet, which brought me to your video. The Recon I own looks sturdy and well made but thankfully I haven't tested it yet. That's a shame about the company. I guess I will go with another CAT or with a Tac Med Solutions TQ. They are also highly rated. Thanks for the video.
I just saw a video of a guy tightening the Recon Medical tourniquet atound a rectangular wooden stool, and he couldnt get it to break under maximum force.
Recon were some i first bought but only like as a potential back up now. There are other tourniquets out there not as much as a Cat 7, still good but also when it comes to saving your life cheapest cost isn't the highest priority.
I was getting ready to say the same thing. If you went cheap and it failed when you needed it most, this will cost a life. Don't go cheap on life-saving equipment. (How much is your life worth?)
But if you can’t afford the real deal, would you want to have a TQ when you need it that has a 99.99% chance of working just fine, or not have one at all because you couldn’t afford it?
@@gagemason3865 Let me tell you a story. My friend's sister had one of these recon TQ's and while her and her boyfriend were at a Walmart, a bunch of 19 year old's with guns came in and started shooting people. One of them hit her boyfriend. She did a good job at keeping her cool and responded by trying to apply the recon TQ she always kept with her. After she applied it, the Velcro detached and his injury started bleeding again. The only reason he survived was because the police had entered the Walmart and medics were able to reach him in time. On the way to the hospital she talked with the EMT about the recon TQ. She explained she couldn't afford a NAR TQ. The EMT advised her that should they have been even a minute later getting to him, he may not be alive. They told her a belt or a shirt tied very tight around the injury would have been better than using a "cheap knockoff" that has a history of failure. This was from an EMT of 12 years. So if he says a belt is more dependable then a recon TQ, then it must be pretty bad.
You should carry a $2 roll of packing gauze that is proven to work in both extremity hemorrhage and junctional sites and spend the rest of your money to put food on your table.
@@PrepMedic wow thanks you and skinny medic have done wonders on my medical planning.
I have a box full of the cheapest CAT amazon knockoffs available, and I am really happy with them... for training purposes.
In my real life bag there are real CATs and the other stuff is made in Israel...
Agreed - Can of blue spray paint + cheapo TQ =trainer (and used for NOTHING ELSE)
@@TomAustin303I use no blue paint. According to old army tradition a DP (drill purpose) marking will suffice.
I have use the Recon Medical TQs for a long time. In training, and real life use along side CATs. It's worked just as well as the CATs andI have never had an issue with them.
I have one in particular that I have used serveal hundreds times in training over and over. I still use it. It's dirt and a little warn but holds up.
People will hate my opinion but I have used real world. So (shoulder shrug).
No one is saying that every Recon tourniquet will fail, like Prepmedic said in the video they do not have a robust QC. Which means that 1 in X might fail with problems that should've been caught by manufacturer.
Would you accept surgery with equipment under those circumstances? Other medical equipment? Impants like a heart valve? The antibiotics you'll receive for sepsis? If not, how come you accept it in a tourniquet?
Not saying recon tqs will fail. In fact it appears to serve you well. The point is PM isn't comfortable with recommending anything made from china (and i agree) and chinese manufacturing has a bad tendency to cut corners for more profit without care of consumers, quality and their own workers. Of course not all but still overwhelming numbers of corporations are guilty of this without admitting. Thats why i prefer anything American made and Europe. In life saving situation, the last thing anyone wants is a dud.
Be careful. People will tell you that Recons shouldn't work, whether in training or real life.
@@TXAslingr that's not the point being made. Of course it works, it's a wide band with a windlass. That has been proven to work. I'm sure it's better than a generic Chinese knockoff with a failure rate much closer to the CAT than those knockoffs.
The point is that a company has copied a design and that they don't have the strict quality control they should. Both of these are troublesome.
You wouldn't accept me cannulating you with a cheaper cannula that cost $1 less but where sterility or safety couldn't be guaranteed, right? Even if it has worked hundreds of times before.
@@swe_nurse8121 I would if I and you had hours and uses with it. We would both know that if we used said cannula... right?
Most of the arguments against Recons are from people who cannot speak to their quality and efficacy.
If you have zero repetitions or training with recons, what makes you think you're in any position to speak on its quality, or lack thereof?
Miss me with the video. He states the obvious and clearly hasn't been challenged on Recons efficacy or quality.
NAR CATS need to come down in price. If they did that then there wouldn't be much room for copies and lawsuits.
But top grade material, testing, and certification cost the company more than the cheap stuff. So how much can they really cut?
@@lmccluer
Literal pieces of plastic with room for sloppy tolerances (e.g. not a gun part)...
They're making a crap ton of money selling these things.
It's a stick and a couple straps.
So glad I got before they sold out lol woulda bought more if I saw this video
Yeah I'd really hate have to pay 30 dollars on a tq. Oh wait no I wouldn't when it's something that will literally save your life. Why would you want to risk needing it and pulling out the Recon Medical and it failing? I'm sticking with TCCC approved tourniquets. Why go cheap when it's a tool used to save a life. A Cat or Soft t w and quick clot is the most expensive thing but are so worth it when you need them. Would spend money of the tq before quick clot when compressed gauze works good as well. Don't be cheap when it comes to equipment that can save your life or someone else's!
I bought the Recon full kit when it was $20 a piece; for tq, pressure bandage, compressed gauze, mylar blanket, and some not super flimsy shears. The TQ may not be the best, though mine certainly seems sturdy and we'll made, but the value of the kit as a whole was too hard to pass up, so I bought 5 more so my friends and family would have at least a start in emergency preparedness. Plus, not sure if name brand company would seek legal action if it was an obvious choice between them or small time competition.
Exactly. Goodbye any chance of NAR being competitive in their pricing anymore.
I purchased two Recon Medical TQ's in 2019 when money was tight and have been carrying them ever since. I did ask about those TQ's on PrepMedics channel back when I bought them and I didn't get an answer. I did search for reviews on them and I found good and bad ones. Lucky I haven't had to use these in a real situation.
Guess I'll be turning these into training TQ's and buying NAR CAT's for everyday carry.
I use a cat, I have to get a lot of blood work done due to my disabilities & the medication I am on, I HATE the stupid elastic blue ones most blood labs have (those things hurt BAD when they snap) & I carry my own, ppl look at me funny, but I love it.
I'm physically disabled & I find the CAT, easy to use.
That's really cool!
I've used the CAT as a blood draw tourniquet more than once and it's quite effective. I prefer it to a blood pressure cuff most of my colleagues like. It's just a bit more work to go get my training tourniquet from my bag.
@@swe_nurse8121 I keep it in a pouch in my wheelchair backpack, it's an essential part of my EDC, I have a 'medical tactical' pouch in there with various things, including a full size naloxone kit, since I live in a major city.
@Lone_ Scout a, I'm in Canada & b, I use only hospital blood clinics, not privately owned ones.
I've used a Cat for many years, (since v1)
Staff see on my blood draw sheets, that ok with it & that the 'rubber' in the 'typical' blue ones makes me severely ill, I also get over 240cc drawn each time, every 2 weeks.
I'm severely immunocomprimised & these tests keep me going.
I can assure you, that unlike most ppl, needles don't scare me, as I've had blood work done on me at least once a month, since the day I was born.
@Lone_ Scout close!
I have a few health issues that need special drugs & I have pic that absolutely loves failing.
Also epilepsy & need for spinal injection every 3 months.
North American Rescue is only a distributor, not the manufacturer. CAT Resources is the manufacturer of the CAT TQ.
I love the Recon TQ. I buy myself the ones I use as a volunteer BLS on my local Red Cross. Can’t afford the CAT for that use
Stop buying knockoff stuff. If you’re saving lives buy the real thing. Knock that off.
That’s incredible irresponsible. Using unapproved equipment in a medical capacity kills patients.
and the possible liability when things don't go well for the patient
@@EBMisKing I can assure you they do not kill. I have used them myself and delivered patients ALIVE to the ER.
@@Izak213 Mate... They work. Things are not always black and white. But you are entitled to your opinion.
Probably works fine. While there is little reason to evaluate it when there is data on the CAT. I’d still like to see some. I suspect the outcomes would be almost the same. People still use what you want.
If it was manufactured in the same way with the same techniques and material, I would be inclined to agree with you. In this case I am less concerned about the mechanics and more worried about the propensity for them to break. The internal band is heat welded and not radio welded, difference windless and different stitching all done at a factory with no QC (and documented QC issues). If you get a good one which you “probably” will it will function fine but if you don’t then……
@@PrepMedic people all of sudden acting there is any evidence of them failing. Sorta how the evidence of CAT windlass failures. Every medical device, whether recommended in the paper I co-authored or something brand new usually gets words like probably and likely.
@@PrepMedic do you have actual data, video or photos of Recons failing, whether by function, craftsmanship, or materials?
Are we just assuming lack of data means product failure?
@@TXAslingr I assume that lack of data coupled with sub-par manufacturing/no QC offers a risk that I am not willing to take and would encourage others not to take (hence this video). Especially considering the plethora of other options on the table. To answer earlier comments you have left, I have actually been sent three RECONS in various kits and do have some hands on experience with them. I wont pretend I have had failures with them, but again, it's a three TQ sample size. Ultimately this is just a video on the internet, you are welcome to continue using the RECON but I will not be endorsing them on this channel.
I bought a few a couple years ago but just as backups, I have two Gen7’s in my trauma kits and these act as a third.
great trainer TQ, ive got a few that have been used like 100plus times and still occlude blood flow
If you're buying this for yourself to carry and it's not your job, buy what you want. If your job is medic, emt, battlefield nurse, you're spending your emplyers money, buy the best available so you don't get sued. Most don't have the money to buy the best out of their own pocket and something is better than nothing. I carry a couple fake CAT tourniquettes in my battle belt and a couple in my house. It was what I could get and afford and is for first aid not permanent surgery. If something happens I want buddy to last till the ambulance gets there with their fancy equipmant. At work they buy us CATs so I use that till the real medic comes and takes my buddy away.
The SOF-T tourniquet is about the same price, yet far superior. I'll buy that one. I don't trust Velcro to hold my pants up. Why would I trust it on a life savings device? Thanks for showing me why NOT to buy the genuine CAT tourniquet! It was very informative. It only took 10 minutes of Internet searching to find the best, and it isn't that expensive.
Understand not wanting to go with the recon bc they are made in China and not TCCC approved, however the reason many including I still rely on recons for backups is that for half the cost they are great! Never would rely on one as a primary TQ but for me that wasn’t the point, I was able to put the recon as backups in places I never would’ve buying 30-40$ cats and for me they just filled the role of a SWAT-T always with a genuine NAR cat nearby should the recon fail. Not everyone can drop 300-400$ on cats to have staged up everywhere
At one point you could get a blue Recon trainer, and a black Recon TQ for the price of one CAT.
It was really the best deal for civilian medicine out there.
@@TXAslingr ong like CATS are always gold standard which is why they are my primary but I can barely afford them and for half the price it 100% bears a belt
it's a shame the only thing i can afford her in Brazil are fake cats, (i tried to get the best one i can) but legit ones sell here around 280BRL (aprox 50USD)
Por enquanto estou usando um Recon G4 durante o serviço, mas as vezes sinto que ele pode me deixar na mão. Aqui no Brasil é assim, estou juntando grana para comprar um CAT.
@@mre6751 boa sorte, é foda que tudo nesse país é caro e esse tipo de equipamento não dá pra pegar o mais barato
If NAR really cared they would price the CAT tourniquet at a lower price point and sell way more of them. No one wants to buy crap but at the same time we don’t want to pay ridiculous mark ups just for the CAT name.
It’s $30.
I'm going to be 100% honest here. Ok for the record I own CATS, RATS, SWAT-T and Soft-T and recon. I love all of them for different reasons. As you will see in my comments Recon stopped being my go to after some things I noticed but I also think they have a place, I also support the lawsuit findings in favor of CAT
Recon I used to think would work amazing and cut off the distal pulses with 1-2 full turns vs 1-1.5 for the CAT. However their adhesive for the time stamp is aweful and melts quickly I'm hot temps (like sitting in a car trauma kit) so brought them in and replaced them all with CATS. The plastic plate under the windlass has always worried me also.
So what am I getting at.... If it was all I had I would use it, for training they are absolutely fantastic.
What i wish the CAT and Soft-T had that recon does was the finger loop for pulling. I agree with the impersonation lawsuit against Recon, what they did was f'd up.
Is Composite Resources going to sue all of the amazon knock offs as well??
@@KuriosPC there’s simply too many
You lost me at RATS
Well shoot. I bought two of their kits, one for my range bag and one for my chainsaw kit. Looks like I'll relegate the tqs to second line gear.
What happened to the ratchet style tourniquet? I can't find them anywhere.
Great information in all your videos! Can you make a review on the ETQ Tourniquet from SnakeStaff?
You have to pay for quality. Doesn't matter whatbitnis. People don't understand safety. Thanks for video.
Dunno, could it be the "m'urican made is better" and people are truly just paying more for the brand logo?
It is better. The CEO under oath admitted to quality control issues
The price for a TQ is ridiculous.
Well, looks like my recon TQ is going on airsoft gear as a prop from now on. I'll bite the bullet and stick to the good stuff for edc and training.
I def have a few of these Recon and some other off-brands that all rip off the CAT. Bought them before I really even put much thought into quality. I'm not gonna get rid of them yet but I really feel compelled to get a couple reputable ones for my range bag.
Recon CATs are all that I have. I tested each one before I put it in a kit though. No problems. How about NAR finding a way to lower their prices on piece of nylon and plastic? If I’m putting two in every car, two on my tac kit, one for edc, a couple for home med kits, I’m looking at over $250 in tourniquets. I can’t afford that.
Consider paring down your kits an dgoing with an evidence based option. TQs are one time use. Don’t “test” them when you get them, regardless of manufacturer. All you are doing is increasing likelihood of failing when you actually need to apply ine
@@PrepMedic When I said “tested” I didn’t really mean that I applied them, I just took them out of the package and inspected them. I’m not saying they are “just as good”. And when I get the funds I’ll definitely get the NAR CATs. But until then, the Recon TQ’s are staying in my kit.
Considering that the internal band is what applies pressure, how does your inspection help anything?
Can you make a video about rhino rescue stuff? They seems to be pretty popular right now
I wouldn’t use any of it.
@@PrepMedic here in italy some ems teams get issued they're chest seals and tourniquet
They have the same factory in China
Is the RECON better than no TQ at all? Absolutely. But considering that a TQ could be all that's standing between me and a lengthy trip to the morgue, I'll use something that's proven to work (CAT or SOFTT-W) wherever possible.
a bad tourniquet can absolutely be worse than no tourniquet at all. we found this out during the Boston bombing. they can potentially cause paradoxical bleeding by only occluding venous flow. while this is typically seen more often in restricting band style tourniquets, it's not unheard of even with improvised or poor quality windlass tourniquets. but more critically, they can lead to you under duress assuming you've stopped a bleed when you really haven't. this is why I really caution people on consistent training and buying quality products.
I love mine , I can't afford a cat tourniquet
I never go cheap on something that might save my life. Camping/shooting/hiking is one thing. Life saving gear is not a compromise.
I’ve seen real EMS carrying these scary shit
I don’t care what you give me! I’ll get the bleed tied off, get the wound packed, get it bandaged and get the patient out of there! I can use SWAT tourniquets!
Easy.
I bought a recon medical tourniquet, for me it was the difference between having a tourniquet or not as I wasn't able to spend the extra money for the North American Rescue one. I would love to have a BearFAK, but I couldn't justify the price at the time.
They were the best value out there.
You couldn't afford $20-25 on regular sales?
You couldn’t afford $25?
@@Bursar60 At the time I couldn't find them for that much. I remember everywhere that had them were $30 to $40. They weren't on sale when I needed to buy one.
People fail to understand the idea of carrying tourniquets are relatively novel. Having a $15 alternative to life saving equipment vs $30 is significant.
If people aren't THAT into medical, $30 could be useful elsewhere, like half a tank of gas. Eliminating the $15 option was bad for everyone and people are actually cheering this on.
Yeah I see someone got paid, I have four and I really don't see any difference with the quality.
Yeah. Not sponsored and have made a total of $30 off of ad revenue.
CoTCCC said the recon tourniquet didn't meet standard so I would assume they did some testing on it.
CoTCCC doesn’t test TQs, they compile and review evidence. There is literally nothing published on the RECON.
@@PrepMedic So why did they specifically say that it didn’t meet CoTCCC standards? Because of the quality control issues?
Because there is no data to recommend it. There is absolutely nothing objective to say that it works or is effective. It’s country of manufacture also precludes it from use by the US military even if they wanted to use it.
@@PrepMedic oh yeah duh I guess that makes sense lol
It's not Berry compliant due to being made in China. So CoTCC won't recommend. Its extremely similiar to the cat, so at least the design works. It doesnt have the data i guess, and it won't. Because its identical to a CAT.
opinions on the SAM, aluminum splint
Recon used to be my main TQ, but since then I've sucked it up and bought a few CATS and now the recons are for training and backup/emergency use only
Some things you just can't compromise on.
Can you do a review on the RHINO RESCUE Medical Tourniquets
Is a good looking military surplus CAT G7 tq a good idea or not?
Only if it's new unused.
@@warrenharrison9490 It looks great, but it does not have the plastic on it. I put it in my EDC, next to a (sealed) brand new CAT backup. Is this a good or bad idea?
@@stijn2472 could mark it and use it for training. Or keep as a backup if it seems it's not damaged.
I bought a Recon just to use as practice TQ.
How many subs have you lost?
You won't even touch this subject on your channel. You know it's a losing argument.
@@TXAslingr I have done a few videos on how to spot fakes, including the Recon.
@@SkinnyMedic a clone that works, is more affordable, effective, and would have allowed quality tourniquets to reach more of the public.
But sure, if your only argument is that it's not a CAT, you probably aren't for civilian medicine as much aa you think you are.
@@SkinnyMedic I didn't see the RECON in the spotting fakes video. I saw legit crappy TQs, but you have to admit, RECON is a step above a "knockoff". It's a copy, or clone. Not the same, but close.
@@TXAslingr dude stop simping
Just got some of these as a gift. They do feel incredibly sturdy, I can't see a weak point with stitching or materials. But, I trust the science so I guess I'll just keep them as secondaries.
Use them for airsoft lol
@@ranchero5595 I'll donate them to the local air softer lol.
Lol "science "
I have a recon medical TQ on my duty belt for quite some time and the delaminating on of the Velcro is definitely true. I do like them but should probably swap to real CATs.
I know people will say that you should always be willing to spend all your money on life saving gear, but the reality is, it’s not easy when you have to buy your own equipment.
It’s $30. That’s cheap
@@GiventhaD Not really no. Especially when you need to but multiple.
@@Mad_Alyx $30 is literally cheap for lifesaving medical equipment. I bet you’d buy a better gun if it was more reliable, and that’s hundreds of dollars
@@GiventhaD I’m not saying that people shouldn’t buy the best gear, but not everyone can.
I bought those TQs quite a long while back when that’s all I could afford and intend to replace them.
Simply pointing out that a $15 TQ is better than nothing and that’s all some people get.
I don't get cheaping out on any life supporting equipment of any type not just med gear. Seen similar sentiments in life supporting climbing and load bearing gear where failure = critical condition or death too. In case of TQs and med equip where it's self provided but not commonly deployed daily/weekly it is not even likely to be used regular so you're not saving that much, in circumstances when you work in a role they'll commonly be deployed they are provided. For none critical items that are staple consumables you use a lot then saving money when failure doesn't matter so much is fine but for stuff like arterial bleeds I'd rather have the peace of mind and not a shadow over possible failure and someone bleeding out arising from being a cheapskate.
I don’t think it’s about saving money at the cost of performance though. If you have two products that have nearly an identical design and materials and you truly believe that they will both perform exactly the same (wether right or wrong), why not choose the cheaper product? More expensive does not necessarily mean better. Personally, I think testing and experience is more important than price and no product should be written off completely without extensive testing. Again, not saying NAR isn’t better than Recon, that’s just the logic behind it. Many people truly believe they perform the same for less money.
@@Nicksperiments makes more sense now you mention it that way. I missed that as I get more expensive doesn't necessarily mean better but proven track record and use data factor into the performance for me. If that is missing it feels more like HOPE they perform the same. Still in some ways it could be good if cost really is an issue something substandard is better than nothing, plus they'd do well as cheap training aids.
That is the mentality used when buying coffee machines, not medical equipment. For an average consumer if you look at two products that do the same thing but one is cheaper, it is often prudent to buy the cheaper option. If it breaks the first time you turn it on it’s no big deal, you send it in and get a new one. A lot of non-medical providers unconsciously use the same thought process when buying medical equipment, but now if it fails it means death. Just because the two TQs look almost identical does not mean they are manufactured to the same specs. Take for example the internal band which applies pressure when the windless is turned. NAR radio welds it to the end of the sleeve where RECON uses the cheaper option of a heat weld and a quick stitch. Look at the Hook and loop as well, RECON has known issues with delamination (CEO said so under oath). PLUS having no quality control on a medical product? We would never accept a device like this in the operating room or trauma bay at a level 1 facility so why is it all of a sudden acceptable for the tactical industry.
For the record a failed TQ is worse then no TQ at all as it causes paradoxical blood flow and can increase mortality.
If you want a cheaper alternative get a SWAT-T. it's also multipurpose and also will fit on children and dogs where a SOF or CAT won't.
The CAT TQ is not made in the USA. It is made with US materials. If it was it would be labeled "Made in the USA" or printed on the package or on the tourniquet.
It is. Which is why it has an NSN number. Can’t have an NSN number if it is made over seas.
@@PrepMedic A NSN number does not mean it was made in the USA. NATO Stock Number, or National Stock Number as it is known in the US, is a 13-digit numeric code, identifying all the 'standardized material items of supply' as they have been recognized by all NATO countries. Pursuant to the NATO Standardization Agreements, the NSN has come to be used in all treaty countries
Yes but in this case it is used by the Defense Department and the start of the CAT TQ NSN is 6515-01. The 01 is the country of origin which happens to be the US. A simple google search could have shown you you were wrong from the get go.
@@PrepMedic country-of-origin does not mean it's manufactured here. On the North American Rescue Hyfin Vent chest seal package it has the NSN & it says....
"Made in America " because it is made here in the US. Their tourniquets have a NSN # but does not say.....
"Made in America/USA" 🤔 If they were, They (NAR) would have it labeled as such.
They are manufactured by composite resources in SC who’s parent company is CAT resources (also in SC).
Never even heard of recon 🤷♂️ but it does sound like the CAT could be sold a bit cheaper. It doesn’t cost twice as much to make it in America. Which product would you be willing to put your life on the line for? That’s the question you need to ask yourself.
You can't expect there to be data on a pieace of equipment that had just been released, if we did that we wouldn't have any of the medical equipment we got today, it all started without any data and gained a reputation as the times went on
That’s not true at all. We can absolutely expect data on any piece of medical equipment prior to use. That’s why studies exist.
@@PrepMedic And where do those studies get conducted IN THE FIELD they are issued or bought by professionals and are used on the daily and the data is compiled and released
@slender169101 no. That’s one source of data but there are many other studies conducted in controlled environments with ultrasound to evaluate effectiveness. There are phases of evaluation for medical products. Tourniquets are no different.
When it comes to LIFE SAVING equipment, I'll stick with the good stuff. Thanks Sam for the update.
Personally, I don't F'around when I'm buying my first aid equipment. I'm not saying there could be a piece or two that are not made in the US, but especially my tourniquets. They're non-negotiable to me. Myself or someone else's life may depend upon it. There's a few other things of my EDC I simply have to depend on. Just my 2c
I believe Recon was sued because its products were of high quality at a lower price. Why sue a specific company, when there are others that manufacture the same product but with a lower quality?
If your life, or the life of your kids/wife was on the line, is it worth the $20 you saved when your loved one is now dead because you cheaped out on a tourniquet? Don’t understand why people go cheap on life saving devices!
As someone else stated, 1 family of four at 2 tourniquets per person, x2 vehicles is $540. Not cheap. Its smarter to pay $250 for life saving gear.
@@TXAslingr of course it’s not cheap. But life saving equipment isn’t something I’ll cheap out on. The money saved won’t make a difference if I’m dead or if my loved one is dead. And then it’s on me for their death for me being a cheapass and not buying quality legitimate gear. There isn’t a single study to support his cheaper tq either. If it had legitimate studies and real world use proving it’s effectiveness then I’d be okay with it. But it doesn’t even have that. Why even bother? The money you save is not worth it when someone’s dead because I wanted to be a cheapass on life saving equipment. There are some things you just don’t cheap out on.
@@TXAslingr Better solution: Buy quality, buy once. And if you can't buy 16 TQs all at once, buy what you can in increments. In fact, better to have each family member carry 2 TQs in their EDC back pack or purse, etc. Boom, I just saved you $240.
Like Josh said, life is expensive, gear is cheap.
Question, why are tourniquets so expensive? I understand it takes a-lot of money to create one, but a singular tourniquet (e.g. CAT) costs £30-40.
R&D, medical regulations/requirements, stateside manufacturing and profit margin.
@@PrepMedic Thank you!
Recon is Back. The new name is Rhino Rescue
Did they acquire rhino? I was pretty sure rhino was around when recon was still going
@@PrepMedic look at the metal tourniquet from Rhino. it is a copy of the Recon. Especially the pen and the lettering on the windles
hahahaha, I have applied a TQ with a bandana and a stick on multiple occasions.. I do not think I would have used them if there was a recon available at the time.. What say you?
I say that a RECON will probably work, but if given the option why would you choose it when there are vetted and tested TQs that come with a large amount of evidence to back them up.
I ordered a couple recons to replace cheap crap that came with a booboo kit. Liked em enough and being poor(er) at the time I got more because of the price.
But now I been able to save up the money I can afford actually tested and reputable brands.
Just glad I never needed them or I'd probably have to flip the coin I saved to see if I live or die
Totally agree. I don't like supporting China and I have the same concern about a life saving device that has no quality control. Save money elsewhere.
Where is a good place to get the cat?
North American Rescue
The ones with the aluminum windlass were pretty good...
These turnikits are still alive and well
don't know what he's talking about
They are not. Still some stock being sold on Amazon but they are no longer manufactured
I've go no problem critiquing the recon over it being manufactured in china, but to be a matter of fact and disappointment, I've got quite a bit of stuff here from NAR that is also made in china. And Taiwan. And Poland... Now I will admit, I'd defiantly have greater concern over the quality of my TQ's than some gauze or other non-mechanical and critical items.
Two things, my biggest concern is not that the RECON was made in china. It’s that it was made In china with zero quality control measures. Second unless something drastically changed I believe most, if not all products from NAR (who is the distributor, not the manufacturer) have NSN numbers.
Manufactures choose to have proper quality control. The fact it's manufactured in China is no reason to have ongoing quality issues.
And yet here we are, in a world where everything made in China falls apart on us. Almost like manufacturers DON'T choose to have proper quality control if they're in China.
Practically everything manufactured in China has quality issues because...China has no quality control regulations.
@@Ceyx000 There's no regulation to have, and that's better like that.
I don't want the gov to put its nose in yet another place where it doesn't belong.
I manufacture life-critical equipment (medical, airspace, military) and quality control is an agreement between us and the client.
Clients can require to get free access to make audits, ask for the measurement logs, demand than any change in the production process be validated by them, etc.
They also can (should) do their own randomized controls when they receive the production.
Chinese probably know how to do that as well.
They build high-end CPUs, so I'd say they're more than capable to assemble Nylon, Velcro and plastic together in every ways possible...
But of course if the client says "I don't care about quality, just ship us the stuff as fast and as cheap as possible" then the manufacturer won't make something much better than what the client was willing to pay...
That being said I know nothing about the quality of both products.
@@bashkillszombies better ditch your phone your laptop your headphones….. and I better get rid of half of our ambulances.
All our gauze is made in China, our abdominal pads, syringes etc
For something that gets used once and thrown out, how much QC is required? Back in the day we used belts etc, so anything is better and for the price?
GTFO of here with that booshit! Logical thought isn't tolerated here.
@@TXAslingr I know, sorry for the logic. I actually bought a bunch of the cheapest tourniquets I could find on the internet at wish. You know, for just in case. One could just tie them if they had to in an emergency.
I once used a full-sized bath towel to make a tourniquet for a motorcyclist who had his leg cut off half way below the knee by a Jeep's bumper (tried to beat the Jeep while turning left, failed to do so). I quickly regretted not cutting a strip off and not having a windlass, but it worked. The guy lost barely any blood, considering it was a full amputation.
I was in high school, hanging out with friends at McDonald's, so I didn't exactly carry a TQ on me. Thank goodness I had been in Boy Scouts, though! DIY tourniquets is what I was taught, so I never even thought about buying a purpose-made one.
I don't think I'll panic about the Recon TQ in my workshop kit just yet. When I build my next FAK for the car or EDC, I'll look at my options. The CAT is awfully expensive for what it's made of, good QC or not.
@@bloodgain Personally, I believe most medical supplies are way overpriced simply because the tacticool folks will pay it. There are wine snobs who criticize certain wines, beer snobs etc. too. I look at much of the gimmicky tacticool crap being promoted as tacticool snobs. Buy a cheap AR, there they are saying you need a top of the line DD or something. Face it, us poor folks having anything that can get the job done is good enough especially since 99% of it will never be used anyway.
"back in the day" tourniquets were a last ditch effort and the methods prescribed were significantly worse, with poorer patient outcomes. they may be single use, but they're first line gear for life saving interventions - if your TQs fail, you or the patient under your care are fucked. they need to adequately occlude arterial blood flow, they need to be easily applied under duress, and they need to consistently not fail when used as indicated. if they're not willing to submit their products to third party testing, there should really be zero discussion.
I contacted Amazon re them selling fake/counterfeit tourniquets and there reply was and I quote “our products team have looked into your concerns and have said that they are not fake or counterfeit”
My reply was “ oh, I didn’t know that Amazon had a member on the committee for tactical Combat Casualty Care”
No reply.
Unless amazon opens a separate department dedicated to tactical gear, I wouldn't trust them to make any effort in the realm of tactical gear.
I find it interesting that you push the CAT but not the SAM XT. the CAT will fail in a muddy environment the SAM XT will not. The advantage that NAR CAT has over RECON is that they got the military contract. You can by a Sig P226 for 1015.00 or 2 Glock 17 for a total of 830.00, which do you think I'm going to buy, hmm , no brainer. Now I will buy the RHINO RESCUE tourniquet; There is a video where someone is twisting the crap out of both a RHINO RESCUE and a CAT, the CAT failed.
I discuss the CAT in this video because it’s the TQ that the recon imitated. The fact that the CAT was selected by the military has nothing to do with its “approval” in-fact the opposite is true. The CAT was selected by the military because it has a body of evidence to support its use, and is Berry compliant (made in the US with high quality control standards). The Recon on the other hand was made in China with zero quality control and known manufacturing issues along with zero evidence behind it. The SAM, TX3 TMT, EMT and several other tourniquets are CoTCCC recommended as they all come with litterateur to support their effectiveness (unlike recon).
@@PrepMedic So, I have a question. What are your thoughts concerning the RHINO RESCUE tourniquet? Also know that I'm not hating on you, I follow you because you teach me and my family valuable skills. Please keep up your good work.
Exactly. Thank you.
Can you cheak out the Rhino Rescue Torniquet.
I still have a bunch of Recon Medical TQ's unopened still. I use them all the time in training and can absolutely 100% rely on them. They have proven themselves 100 times over. It's a shame that we aren't allowed to have quality proven affordable an medical gear.
They are not proven. Would you let a loved one get operated on with a tool that had no quality control and know quality issues? Probably not and unless you are a PJ on your 10th deployment you have not applied 100 real world TQs. Just because a handful worked doesn’t mean they are reliable or justifiable.
@@PrepMedic Well yes, they are proven. Over and over and over again. Not only my experience, but countless people in just this rats nest of a comment section have had numerous of the same accounts... They've used Recon multiple times without an issue. And there are countless other comments on other videos and other social media platforms that are the same. It's the very definition of proven. When the gun goes bang, over and over again, multiple times for multiple people, over a period of time, it is by every intelligent metric, proven. I get that you're not allowed to agree, otherwise risk losing all that sweet sweet NAR money they're paying you. But you're on the losing side of this. Just because the NAR mafia does what it can to have a monopoly on the market, does not mean they're the only game with anything to offer.