Max hasn't returned to anything, He just hasn't been in a situation that's made him desperate recently, he hasn't matured leaps and bounds as a driver like everybody seems to be saying, Max is the driver that he is. He just hasn't been in a position where he needs to use tactics or set up moves properly in such a long time since the beginning of 22 because of how inherently faster him in that car was in comparison to everyone else
It's just a shame that the teams/drivers feel like a crash is needed for the stewards to do something - if driving standards are breached then it's the stewards' job to do something, not to wait for a crash to happen first. The responsibility shouldn't be on the victim to shed light on the aggressor!
The stewards should not do anything. Hard racing should be encouraged, and contact and crashes are just a bonus. They just barely had the slightest of little bumps/kisses. Super unlucky they both got a puncture, but no reason for people to overreact and immediately ask for rules and punishments so this (smallest contact in a fight) never happens again. *Crashes are a part of F1, as bloody noses are a part of boxing. If anyone can't handle that, stop watching instead of crying for rule changes.*
Just like the stewards should penalize the driver exceeding track limits repeatedly to gain an advantage before he can crash with the other driver right?
@@GFSCN69you should waste your time in F1, you should be demolition derby mad max ,Christian horner and Michael macy ...that would be the grand psycho...team..
The clips are showing at least 3 other drivers doing the exact same move. Braking in a straight line, but slightly aimed outwards. But most drivers on the outside in these clips realized the other guy was doing this, and ran a few wheels off the track/into the curb to avoid a crash. Lando doesn't, hits max, and then cries foul because his car is broken. Since everyone hates Max, everything sticks. Not 1 race ago starting straight someone pushed max off the road. 2 wheels on the grass. He complained, but he didn't crash. Same thing with clips here where max pushed Lewis off the track. Being aggressive and pushing someone off is a dick move. But hitting the other car when you have room you can go to is incompetence. More so if the other guy is able to finish the race while you have to retire afterwards. Lando's probably my 2nd favorite driver but he needs to do better.
You realise that they punished him for turning under braking in a recent GP in which he collided with Norris? It literally happened a few days ago and here you are commenting on a video which was inspired by this incident yet you haven't got a clue. Genuine question, why?
@@Czeslaw_cn4tvI think perhaps they mean the fact that Max had been moving under braking for several laps prior to their collision, and he didn’t get penalized for it until it escalated into actual contact.
@@Tensooni your theory is basically when fight with Max you need to leave him a whole track space. If you don't yield and crash its your fault. Max is allowed to move under braking and you complain its you that incompetent to overtake, go home and cry in corner. Max is never at fault. Period.
Max left Lando the same "car width" that he was given at the start of Spain. Remember, the one he was giggling about in the last press conference. You can't try and drive a guy off the road one week, and cry about it the next.
sir Lewis Hamilton told verstappen that he wouldn't have left him any room while he was laughing about Norris' answer, verstappen stopped laughing awfully quickly. i think you should get a clue first
@@Boy10DioNo mate you are wrong. What actually happened was that when LH said that, Max laughed and affirmed it saying Yeah you are probably right. Stop spreading hate and misinformation
Doesn't change the fact that max is pushing cars off track. You're not obligated to yield if it's past the white line. Lando decided not to roll over like Leclerc and look what happens, a crash. Max has done this countless, countless, countless times, and whenever the opponent doesn't back out, there's a crash I think I'm sensing a theme here. You can ride Max's nuts all day and night, but this bullshit needs to stop
@@dylanc3852yep. The reality is that Max has always been like this, where as a driver like Lewis races respectfully and doesn’t run someone off the track everytime they get close to passing him. I’ve never been a big Max fan for that exact reason. I cannot root for a guy who is 70 points up in the championship, who has been moving under braking for multiple laps, and who crashes into his opponent and supposed friend when they finally get close to pulling the move off. It’s just not respectable. That’s the reason that I still root for Lewis even though he’s not my favorite driver. He deserves a win, and he deserves the positions he takes and holds
I think only lecrec know how to race side by side with max. He know when to be agressive and know when to back off. He can fool max also, by creating the DRS chicken move 😅
That doesn't work at every track and only really worked in 2022 when these regs leh you follow. Now they are basically 2021 cars with all of the dirty air that comes off them.
Leclerc is definetly the best wheel to wheel racer on the grid at the minute. I don't like it when people say he's a hotlap merchant because I mean... Look at the car he's driving. Often awful tyre wear and questionable strategies. He has been so far the only driver I can remember who has defeated Max Verstappen in a wheel to wheel race without a collision happening (I think Raikkonen did it a couple of times as well iirc). If Leclerc was in the Mclaren this year I think the championship fight would be much much closer. Leclerc knows how to play the long game whilst also knowing when to take the chance when he has it. Ricciardo, Hamilton, Norris, Vettel all end up having a big crash with him. Granted, the blame was on Verstappen for pretty much all the incidents (except Copse 2021), but you can defeat him without turning into a bull in a china shop like Verstappen is.
honestly this can all be traced back to austria 2019, where the steward’s reluctance to give a penalty because of the backlash in canada set the precedent that the driver on the inside can force the outside driver off the track with no consequence
Pete Windsor broke this Down perfectly. Max was ahead and had the inside line. Why should he have to compromise his line for lando behind him? There was plenty of room left. Lando constantly entering corners at erratic speeds via drs, on several occasions. He had fresher tyres, he should have been more patient. If the FIA did their job and gave lando his obvious penalty on time then none of this would have happened. The UK media glazing landos nut sack is crazy. This is the same guy that squeezed max onto the grass literally last week.
Exactly everyone is jumping on this band wagon that Max is entirely at fault, he is to a certain extent but lando was also being wildly aggressive and dangerous in his attempts to overtake
You don't pass Verstappen in a turn and expect to come out unscathed. You need to get a perfect corner exit and get him with DRS on a straight. It was his corner and his line. It's up to the driver behind to not crash into him.
I'd rather have hard, clean, beautiful racing like we saw between Hamilton and Rosberg in 2014 over dirty hard racing that ends as soon as the two opponents get close to each other though tbh.
People can complain and cry all they want but this is what will make him a legendary driver. Look at Senna or Schumacher. Be upset all you want but dudes one of the best there ever was or ever will be.
For real. Everyone sees Schumacher and Senna as Gods, but they did maybe worse things than Verstappen now. I think it's just a lot of British biases as pretty much all big youtubers, media channels etc are British. But one thing is certain. He will be considered one of the legendary drivers of F1
@@mro9466 the logic is, to be GOAT, you have to be aggressive first, but being aggressive does not guarantee being a GOAT. And this actually applies to almost all highly competitive sports, just look at Michael Jordan.
People always get mad if you call out Senna or Schumacher or Montoya because of reverence for old legends and because many F1 fans who are winging about this are younger and haven't delved into older seasons and older drivers who had reputations for pushing limits in wheel to wheel combat
We had the best season ever in 2021, and this is what's been missing since then. Hard fights for the lead, constantly at and over the limit, the best drivers fighting each other as hard as possible with a knife between their teeth, dramatic fights and epic crashes. Imagine if Verstappen had just moved out of the way and stayed still. The fight would have lasted one corner of one lap and then it would have been over. Viewers deserve better. If this is 2021 all over again, don't change a thing, because that's a feature and not a bug.
And my and many other peoples opinions who been watching Formula One for over 40 years consider 2021 one of the worst seasons to watch because of the dirty Racing. There is a thing called hard racing and there is a thing called dirty racing. It’s a clear distinction.
@@claudiomarangone6142021 one of the worst seasons? worse than the Mercedes years? worse than 2022 until now? ok grandpa go water your plants. at least that is peaceful and won't get your heart rate up😂😂
This is the difference between the old 00s and early 10s drivers and the new video game drivers - little to no regards to racing lines and over-eagerness to dare the other driver into a collision. You never saw this stuff during Kimi, Alonso, Schumacher, Barichello and Montoya's era much, only in a few occasions. Those were gentleman drivers.
In those days the tracks were lined with grass or gravel. You can't force someone off into that without risking a serious accident. These young drivers don't have that level of respect.
How the British media seized on the desperately awaited opportunity to pounce on Max. Norris had about 3 of the divebomb moves that Max was castigated for in 2021, and Max had to take avoiding action every time to prevent a collision. Then their was a very slight touch that had big consequences, in an incident that was not more egregious than tens of incidents that have happened since 2021, involving probably every driver in the grid, including teammates like Charles and Carlos and Lewis and George. Lewis has had crashes in the same corner with Albon and Rosberg. Max is Max, he is aggressive and sometimes crosses the line. He had some bad decisions in the last few races of 2021, but this was nowhere near that. But Lando and Stella are going completely overboard with their reactions, this is racing and things happen.
Really disappointed that Aldas gave two incomplete information. Firstly in the post race conference max said he will have to look back before he can blame himself or lando, unlike what aldas said that max blamed lando. Secondly, you said max drove off the track in the second lunge by lando. In the first one lando drove himself out of the track so he gave the position back, in the second lunge lando drove max off the track and max stayed ahead. So why should max have given the position. And as for the crash, I really have to ask, was it erratic? The racing line veers left before turning into the corner, max did exactly that. So I disagree on the erratic comment. Not saying it wasn’t his fault. But saying erratic seems very uncalled for.
@@JAY-RIZZY Max looked and knew Lando was there... He just didn't act on it. Just like Lando knew Max was there, and did not change direction. So they made contact. According to the letter of the rule, Max is at fault. I think if Lando moved enough to sill have a wheel within the line, and not make contact. No penalty would have been given. It is imo Lando who chose to make contact and have 'luck' & the stewards decide what will happen. But again, Max is at fault for this not leaving enough room for the entire car on track (according to the rules). (A week earlier the roles where reversed, and Max decided not to have contact with Lando, even though the stewards might have given it to Max, Because Max rather not have Luck decide damage in that stage of the race.)
In regards to the incident where Max left the track and held the position. As far as I can tell, the inside driver is almost never punished for not leaving a cars width on the exit. Given they are on the inside, it is seen as their corner I guess. I don't know how I feel about this but I'll let actual racing drivers/ other professionals decide this. Anyway, this all said, this would then assume that Lando's overtake was legitimate and legal. Max's only option was to concede and try the switch back. Instead, he accelerated very early (way earlier than he would if he was trying to stay on track imo) and chose to leave the track to come back on ahead of Lando. Overall I think this particular move should have been a slam dunk penalty to Verstappen. Much more so than any of the "moving under braking" or "moving in the braking zone", or the actual contact itself. But I'm interested in other peoples opinions on this incident. If there is any precedent it would be good as well.
You are wrong for so many reasons. Firstly, Aldas never claimed that Verstappen blamed Norris in the post race conference. Secondly, you can clearly see Norris ahead at the apex, and Verstappen driving off track and keeping the position. Watch Anthony Davidson’s skypad review, and you’ll see how Verstappen bails out early and actually accelerates off track to keep ahead of lando. +10 for me. Also, aldas only used the word erratic to describe some of verstappens driving over the years (which is fair), not this crash specifically.
Max would've won the race in that Mclaren on Sunday - that says everything you need to know. Lando has won 1 race (in part due to the Safety Car). That's it. He needs to keep his head down and stop talking so much. The only reason why he was in a position where he could challenge Max is because the RB pit stop guy messed up, not because Lando did something spectacular on track to catch up. Max is a cutthroat driver and it'll make for an entertaining season.
"nothing spectacular" he was a couple tenths per lap quicker in the last stint. "lando has won 1 race. thats it" yeah no shit someone whos been in the sport for 4 years less and has only been in a competetive car for not even a full season has less wins than someone whos had a competetive car for 7.5 seasons.
@@justanotherbeautiful5736you say Lando sucks under pressure but it was your Dutch lord and savior who starts driving very sloppy and causes accidents when he’s under pressure. Deff not bias of you to disregard that. Kinda like the Brit’s do with their drivers 🙃
Yeah, Max sac'd his rear wheel to intentionally take Lando out in the only instance where the move Tackle is "very effective". Since Max does never get meaningful penalties
Max is the definition of greatness. He is superb, a king, a Sungod. Flawless in all his moves with perfect positioning. Gentle for his tires but ruthless for the competition. No one can touch him. All should bow deep for his excellence.
@@f1jones544 If that is your excuse to be angry, it is a poor one. Max had to learn to race against equally as aggressive opponents over the year and that culminated his style. Lewis was able to nearly beat it with his own unique aggressive style, even Charles when he had a somewhat close car can cleanly race Max. Norris has barely ever gotten time to race at the front of F1 and still needs to cultivate podium/champion level skills to consistently fight without causing a crash, it isn't some clean squeaky podium. Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Hunt and so many other winners are winners because of their amazing aggression.
@@AkibaMomoro Finally someone with some more knowledge than the average DTS fan lol - EXACTLY that - the best of the best didn't get where they are by always being ''polite'' and waving people thru - you get to a certain level by being at / sometimes OVER the limit of legality and acting in the exact grey zone where others like Schumacher / Senna / Prost / and ALSO a young Hamilton acted - Champions are NEVER nice - they are ALL cut throat - and controversial!
This is one of the better analyses of this situation I've seen. Showing similarities to what has happened in the past between drivers explains it well. Max and previous F1 champs are fierce and unrelenting competitors. They make the racing exciting! While Lando, finally in a competitive car to challenge, will now have to learn what it takes to be an F1 champion...ruthless.
Bahrain 2022, Saudi 2022, Monaco 2019, Austria 2022, Vegas 2023, yes Max can be erratic as the likes of Lewis and Seb for example have been before and I think he was at fault for that final collision, but no one should fool themselves into thinking that Max has NO idea how to race under pressure.
I mean, Leclerc kinda got a good grip on Max in Silverstone 2019 and Bahrain, Saudi 2022. He put him under pressure to mistake, multiple times using the DRS tactic to fool him. Yes, in Silverstone and Saudi, Max came out victorious, but Leclerc showed he is a hard and fair racer that could put Max to work hard.
@@Eriksen-wp3tv but crucially the two never came together in a way that was terminal. It just annoys me when people use this example to say that Max is still the hotheaded guy he was in 2018 he isn’t.
@@hamirthapar6788yes, I agree, its just so biased. Max could race perfect for 3 years, which he basically has, and when one incident occurs, people point the finger and shout "THERE, I KNEW IT, HE'S CRASHTAPPEN!!!" While people like hamilton had so many more incidents the last few years and no one talks about. And lando, I'm sorry, what he did in spain was at least as bad, and they just laughed it off
I think this was an insanely incomplete analysis, and everyone who is agreeing clearly did not see the on-board of max during the crash. he moves the car to the middle of the track 2 seconds before the turn, and keeps the steering wheel EXACTLY straight during the crash. Lando after DRS was coming in too fast and did not brake hard enough to back off. Inside line belonged to Max. Sure, it is kind of maxs fault but no where near the aggression that’s displayed in the past. Peter Windsor goes into this better, and I confirmed by watching the on-board multiple times.
That's incorrect. Max maybe kept going straight, but that means little when the track is NOT moving straight. Moving straight into a right hand corner is exactly the same as continuesly moving left on a straight: i. E. the gap on the left side to the edge of the track gradually disappears. You don't need to apply mental gymnastics here, just imagine the track limit to the left being a solid wall instead of a white line and you see why Max was at fault here. I dare say max knows just as much, probably the reason why this never really happens on tracks where there actually IS a solid wall instead of just a white line.
Excellent video, I agree 100%. But let me add, How can the FIA punish Max? Michael Masi made the 'No Max Penalty' rule. Masi may be gone, but the stewards still follow that rule. The FIA aren't just ruining the show for the fans and drivers, they are ruining it for Max too. If they actually penalized him when deserved, then it would have forced Max to become an even better driver. But without accounting him to the rules, they are robbing him of his own development.
Really guys, maybe he wasnt 100% clean, but dont act like that was some horrible driving, they all race like that. I would argue that norris' move at the start in spain was at least as bad, both laughed it off. Also, norris' divebombs before the crash werent 100% clean either. you can dish it out, you should also be able to take it.
the difference is that the move in spain wasnt under braking and there was still a cars width between lando and the white line, max overreacted to the squeeze and put 2 wheels onto the grass himself
So now "divebomb" is the new term for late braking? If Max does it, his fans say it is full send. When cars have similar pace as the Redbull and Mclaren seem to have, you cannot just rely on DRS and superior car pace to overtake. You have to try other methods like braking late into a corner, which has been a part of F1 forever.
@@quigglyz no, it isnt. f1 cars are really good at turning (and therefore avoiding other cars if needed) at high speeds. if you try to turn while braking youll like just lockup your front tires and go straigth regardless. thats why its not allowed for the defending car to change their line in the braking zone. it is very hard for the atacking car to avoid collision.
Max didn't become his old self. He made one slip of misjudgement in a weekend where otherwise he defended Lando as well as a champion could, or on the previous race weekend, in a car that on paper was weaker than the McLaren. If anything, Lando Norris just became Old Max instead. With every divebomb, he became more and more desperate and cried wolf afterwards, and then post race did not take any accountability, nor his boss really, and just pointed fingers. All while Max really showing how far he has become at keeping a cool head by saying he and the team made mistakes, he needs to look back and analyse before saying more, and that he immediately offered Lando a chat to discuss the incident (who again, just mumbled a "whatever"). Lando hasn't realized yet what it means to actually race for the top and be in title contention and challenge someone wheel to wheel, and just like old Max, is too busy throwing emotional fits rather than learning from what went wrong. If anything, it makes it so clear how people from a very specific part of the crowd were waiting for one simple moment to crawl out of their caves and immediately shout "SEE???? MAX ISNT A GOOD DRIVER ALL ALONG!!!!! BANISH HIM!!!!!!!" ((gives the hard stare)) It is true the final clash is on Max, but saying he is back to his old self is the stretchiest of stretches, especially as Lando is not innocent in it, either, and if this truly will become a rivalry and we will see more clashes for the rest of the season, then I will not be looking forward to see all the toxicity firing up again, and all the biased cries that conveniently will ignore the other side of the coin ((returns to hard staring))
People should easily be able to see that Max was moving slowly to the left on the helicopter shot. Whether or not he was braking at the same time is a different story, but it still caused a collision
But why didn't Norris react on that like Verstappen did in Spain and multiple times this weekend? He just didn't correct his line one inch, and drove straight onto a slowly incoming Verstappen. Verstappen didn't touched Norris on purpose, it looked like Norris wanted the contact.
@@pidfenderlane9012 On the onboard, Lando was making extremely small movements on his wheel, keeping it straight but then very slightly moving his wheel left. I think he either reacted too late and/or didn't expect Max to do this again
@@pidfenderlane9012 Ofhen times, when Max divebombs someone, he plays a "you move or we crash" game. Lando got frustrated that Max kept moving around when he tried to pass, so he played the same game Max did. Either Mak backs off, or they crash. They crashed.
@@justinm.1 , Verstappen didn't make any erratic movements on his steering wheel either before the touch happened. Look also at his onboards. He didn't even looked left before the touch because he didn't expect Norris being there that close. He left space for more than 99% of Norris his car. And you've seen the helicopter shot, so you've seen the time for Norris to react. Plenty of time to avoid a very slowly incoming Verstappen. Which he should've done, just like he expected Verstappen to do for multiple times these last 2 races. And if Verstappen wasn't braking while going slightly to the left, he didn't do anything wrong with the collision. Not saying Verstappen didn't do anything wrong, but Norris intentionally didn't avoid the contact. But in his defence, nobody could've guessed this slightest touch would take them both out of the win.
@Appletank8 , so when was the last divebomb from Verstappen? Leclerc 2023 in vegas, right? Got immediate a penalty for that, unlike Norris got. Glad you're honest saying it wasn't Verstappen who initiated the contact. Also, when looking at Verstappen's onboard, he didn't expect or see Norris. So, there is no intention to touch like Norris had. This just means Norris is the one that caused a collision instead of Verstappen. Just like my original comment said.
7:10 The vid is fine, but Horner is not covering for Max in that saying. That statement is pretty straight forward in saying "They raced hard and faced their consequences". Saying "That means that he knows it's Max's fault" is poor reporting and putting words/thoughts in the mouths of others.
Its really annoying. Max basically drove mistake-free for 2 years, one minor mistake/bit of dirty driving, and he is the most dangerous person on the planet
Double standards. They've been waiting to hate on Max and tbh it's so sad to see the media and fans being like this and lost what the sport is truly all about. Like if they want to find a villain, they should just watch Game of Thrones instead of F1.
@@MCFoultierwell in the last 2 years his car was so much faster he didn’t need to push every fight to the absolute limit but now he has to and it’s not a coincidence his incidents are increasing now
First off, Norris is not ready to race Max. He thought that Max would just move over and give him the race lead, which was never going to happen. Secondly, Max did not move under braking; he positioned his car so that he could force Norris to go left coming to the corner. That's called defensive driving, which Max's haters (especially those biased commentators at Sky Sports) will always blame Max for. Just go and watch Charles vs. Max back in 2022 at the same corner, and you'll understand what I am talking about.
the sky sports commentary team is Biased towards red bull. For example they sacked Johnny Herbert because he said Hamilton would be a 8 time champion if the rules were followed correctly.
Lando runs Max onto the grass, Max doesn't crash, no penalty given. Max edges to the left leaving Lando 1.5 car widths, Lando doesn't react and as a result they both collide. Penalty for Max.
lando left a full car width to the line in spain on a straight. max didnt leave a full car wifth to the line in a corner/braking zone. lando dives and goes offttrack and gives the position back. max goes offtrack to keep the position. i admire max and hes a generational talent and will go down in history as one of the greatest off all time, but this race was just not clean.
He was always there lol. Just didnt have anyone fighting him. Except Charles in 2022 first half and Lewis 2021. If Max had matured he would have let Lando go, gotten him right after, or enjoyed the win due to Lando's 5 second penalty for track limits.
@@thatlambda8587 I think this is the most common misconception and also a proof that someone doesn't understand racing. Max had chosen his racing line already and Norris had adapted to that. Max then abandoned/changed his line and got into Norris line. Not too hard to understand right?
I would have snapped a long time ago in Hamilton's place. And it's also really sad for the sport, because Max CAN drive fast and clean. I guess history is just going to repeat itself.
The problem with the comparisons being used is that Lewis vs Seb, and Max vs Carlos had the drivers MUCH closer throughout the braking zone than what happened here. Lando was behind Max, right up until the second that he wasn't. Regardless of what Max should or should not have done, the "crash" was 100% Lando's fault. Had he been along side him at the start or even mid way through the braking zone, then this would absolutely be on Max. But he wasn't. He got alongside right as they began the actual turn, at the point where all evidence from this race and multiple races in the past show that the best line for the corner is to take it slightly wider. Period. The end. That IS the line that drivers like to take, especially when defending. So it is either a penalty all the time, or it isn't. It wasn't until they touched. So that means Lando had NO reason to believe he was entitled to anything. All the while ignoring track limits to gain advantage, So, to say that max is "back to his old ways" is not only insulting to the drivers, both Max and Lando, but also completely ignorant of what actually occurred in the race.
Did f1 not learn from 2021, just make the on track decisions in a timely and correct manner, lando should have had that track limits penalty. As soon as they tangled the penalty comes through
Dude, the moving under breaking is a rule because of Max. Pre-Max, moves like that would be considered hard racing and probably praised. Never understood why it’s so “bad”. Both Lando AND Max went overboard and got sloppy.
Ah yes, the British being British... Both were playing stupid games and with stupid games you win stupid prizes. The difference is that Max drove on to score some points at least and Norris drove like a blind horse, destroying his car in the process.
Max crashed into Lando. Lando was parallel to the curb when they contacted, Max was not because he went defensive under braking then realized lando was on his outside so he changed course (under braking) and tried to squeeze Lando.'Tried' as in he miscalculated and didnt give Lando the 1 car space. Lando could have been further left on the curve and was stickling his nose up the outside - 70/30 Max fault and thats generous
the spain one not worse than austria one. That austria sprint and full grand prix is very clumsy from lando tbh. Even Lewis won't make such stupid divebomb like Lando did
@johnlau6749 in one way I'm glad to see Lando challenging Max and especially for the win of a GP. But yes ur right it was not smooth and precise over takes from Lando. Back to Spain, it was Lando who squeezed Max onto the Grass at the start.
Depends on how much margin their car has over all the others. If it is big enough, Lando can surely win a title. If it is much closer, as it seems to be now, I fully agree.
So you created this video to show your bias and declare that you still aren’t over 2021? We all know you are British biased but someone. This is being blown out of proportion. Every British f1 fan is becoming unhinged after this race, it’s quite comical.
Besides Lando btw who texted Max on monday to make it up. And Max his reaction was that the only thing he cared about is that he is still great friends with Lando. You British fake fans ( not all British most of you are lovely) are just stupid
Max avoided a crash 3 times when Lando was divebombing him before, and left plenty off room this time but Lando did not do anything to avoid contact ... Look at Sainz-Max 2023 or Leclerc-Max 2022 who went left much further with Max aside, Max went all the way onto the curbs to avoid contact so no crash.
I think this "divebombing" term is now overused and being vilified. It is late braking and has been a part of F1 forever. With DRS not available in 2026, this is going to be the only way you can overtake another vehicle especially if both have similar pace. Cheap DRS overtakes is over.
When you push a lion, you better be ready for consequences. Max was over defensive. However, Lando was also over aggressive, so in my opinion both were in the wrong.
Yes, even peter windsor say because the nature of the turn 3 that little bit veer to the left before the actual chicane make it realistic to the car moving a little bit to left to take the corner. Even in game you normally would take those corner by turn to left a little bit and then rotate your car fully to right. And you can take this as grain of salt because I see from some telemetry data that actually max move his steering just right before braking, if it was true then he clearly not wrong technically
@@nomiyahere3466 You are right, even though I dislike Max and I think he is king divebomb himself, in this case Norris just botched it. I drive that circuit a lot on sim racing and you have to pass either on the inside or stay behind for the DRS line and cut back so you can overtake on the straight. Trying to overtake on the outside is just very risky and you have to understand the driver on the inside is looking at the right, at the apex of the corner. It is mostly on the driver on the outside to make sure you don't collide and Max left more than enough room.
@@inverted_real_it_y yes, even I tried it on rfactor to overtake from outside in turn 3 it's just not work at all. You will lose a lot of traction if you decide divebomb from outside. It's better to take safer approach just blast on straightline or divebomb in turn 4 (I like this turn because once you done it, it will close any posibilities to being overtaken easily)
I think the main factor in this was Lando’s desperation, the moves he made were sloppy and max had to react accordingly to control the situation. The last collision was defidently max’s fault, but if he would have defended in the perfect way covering the inside I think with the approach Lando had he would have gotten rear ended.
Thats one thing i like about max. Last year ge made the FIA look sikly when he exploited the rule that you couls overtake in thr pit lane exit. He completely exposed them for making a stupid and very dangerous rules. He was the one that took fully advantage and showed the FIA should change it cause it was dangerous
@@Selendeki They haven't adopted it. It's all fine when a British driver is doing it. While it is a problem when someone is doing it who is not British. Why someone would even take these hypocritic toxic a-holes seriously is beyond me.
"Desperate" by today's standards. Pretty normal by yesterday's. People often feel nostalgia for the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, but when they actually get really intense battles like this, people loose their minds. Passing on the outside is always super risky right? I also seem to remember Lando one time a year or two ago, squeezing out Cheko on the outside, then getting pissed off for when HE got a penalty exclaiming: "what did he expect?" on the radio. It's sort of an old unspoken rule that the guy with the inside line owns the corner. Perhaps a penalty is warranted, perhaps not, but people need to calm down. Honestly the biggest villain in all this is the media. Everybody is so over dramatic about stuff that was so common not too long ago. They banged wheels, knocked each other out. It happens. Just enjoy the show, and hopefully we can get some more cheeky T poses from Russell.
That point about driver compliance VS being stubborn and not giving in was great context you are right it’s not talked about or shown in examples enough
Is it Max returning to his old ways? Or is it because this is the first time Max and Lando have ever gotten into a serious dogfight, and neither drivers have any experience challenging each other like that, and thus are unfamiliar with each other's approach? And yes, Max is still at fault for constantly turning under braking.
You get it. Lando has not had nearly any time fighting champions at the front. Max had to do it for a while with drivers like Sebastian, Kimi, Alonso, and Hamilton before his first champion fight with Lewis in the infamous year that shall not be named.
You took all talking points from Davidson's rabbid, biased analyze. The comparation between lap 63 and 2019 disqualifes your opinion - is not even close the same thing. In 2019, Max held the inside of Leclerc for the entire braking area, while now Lando bombed the inside from 30m back. And lap 64...wholly crap, what an uncontrolled, scrappy move from Lando. Biased, embarassing shit. This after Lando pushed him off track at Barcelona and no one said anything. Peter Winsdor is right.
These are the ramblings of an insane Max fan. Your judgment is so clouded. There is footage of Max divebombing Leclerc in the exact same way. The 2019 incident is the same.
@@gestapo81 it isn't British bias when they pretty much support Max for his ridiculous moves. We saw the exact same with Vettel. It's actually anti British rhetoric because you seem to think the media is biased towards our drivers but that absolutely isn't the case. They are individuals and have their own interests and the majority of the teams are based in Britain. It's a naive argument from someone who is ignorant of how F1 is run.
Lando pushed the guy on grass last race and no one said shit. Lando was the only one penalized for going over track limits in this race and no one says shit. Max would had won this race confortably if the penalty would had come in the race. Lando was to desperated to use the tire advantage that would have gone in a few laps time. Shit racer.
@@Pretency LOL! you almost called me a racist there. The main focus to all the british comentators during and after the race was that Max suddenly veered left, when after the onboard video, everyone saw nothing of that, but Lando turning into Max.
If there is one thing the last three days have shown me, is that most of you would simply not be able to survive Senna and Schumacher lol Norris is not ready in any way to compete with Max...yet. The only ones who can match Verstappen like this are Hamilton and Leclerc, the latter probably more so because him and Verstappen have been racing each other since they were kids. Funny enough, in that same corner Verstappen and Leclerc had a nice w2w action in 2022, no collision. Last year, I think it was Sainz and Verstappen, nothing happened either. Ya'll really blew this so out of proportion, you'd think he killed Norris and a hundred puppies.
I don't believe that Verstappen hasn't matured; I simply think he has a fundamentally different approach to racing than the other drivers. Some might find it unbecoming or reckless, but I find it to be endearing. That might sound strange, but he is quite literally willing to risk a crash and death to win. That speaks to his mentality and his trophy collection, one which is rivaled by only two other men... It's gotten him far, so why stop now?
Max defended the inside so he would definitely turn wider for the entry, when max started to turn wider lando wasnt at his side yet, but then lando sent it up the outside like a divebomb.
Lando was dive bombing like CRAZY. Went off himself once Pushed Max off another time. In Spain, Lando ran max on the grass on the start But this is all Max? LOL Your bias is showing
Fr I’m seeing this type of content from most if not all British F1 content creators. Do any of them have an original idea or did McLaren send out talking points😂
I'm neither British not European. I like max a lot, did cheer for him in 2021. But just think about this. Had it been Alonso or Lewis instead of Max, in the turn where Lando and Max collided, Lando would have had the space to drive. Max was purposefully moving while breaking. It was not normal to do so. He was desperate to keep the position at all costs. I feel that's not fair racing. I mean, the championship is not even close, Max is leading by a long way and still he dose things like this. It is fair to support Aldas in this video. I do not see any bias.
This is just hard Racing, we don't want drivers to open a door for a other driver. Than we will have a ''boring'' race and than people will cry about that. People always have something to cry about. Let please not go to the same situation as in football, that after a small Touch between footballers people go crying.
Max is classic, like Schumacher and Senna before him, in placing the driver he's fighting with in a situation where they can choose to crash into him or back off. He gave Lando the choice, Lando chose to hold station instead of drifting a bit wider onto the curb, and the collision happened. The penalty to Max was a little silly, but anyone can understand it. Lando should've made an easy and decisive overtake with such a faster car. The fact that he couldn't, instead choosing desperate dive bombs and complaining on the radio, speaks more to his immaturity as a driver fighting at the front than to Max's aggression.
Who cares? Every great championship caliber, and multi championship caliber racing driver in history, and not just in F1, has the attitude of win or crash. Perfect example is Senna. Everyone looks back at his career with rose tinted glasses, just because he passed away, but he was hands down the most aggressive driver in F1 history, who was involved in way more incidents then Verstappen at this point. It's part of what makes an elite, all time great driver in the first place. And if guys like Lando, or Charles don't figure it out, then they will be extremely lucky to ever win even one. F1 fans are so soft, and don't know what they really want. You cry out one side of your mouth about wanting more hard racing, and passing, and rivalries, yet when you get it, out the other side you start crying about rules and penalties and all this nonsense. Contrary to popular beliefs, these drivers in fact aren't perfect, or inhumane cyborgs. This sport is extremely fast, with extreme tolerances, and takes reaction runes that sometimes just aren't possible by humans, so during hard raging, contact will sometimes happen ...it's just inevitable.
If Fangio or Clark had the win or crash mentality they would have been killed in their first year, or probably more likely before they even got the chance to race in F1. Modern safety standards are absolutely fantastic don't get me wrong, but big accidents can still happen, and one of these days a driver is gonna end up being at fault for a career ending injury or even fatality because he just didn't back out. Before Senna came along and just completely threw safety out of the window, drivers were always concious that accidents and injuries could happen. An example is Prost. Before Pironi had his career ending crash, Prost was a very aggresive driver with a win or crash mentality. But because he was now aware of the dangers he decided to become 'le professeur' that we all know and love today. But Senna set this precedent and has been followed by Schumacher, Hamilton and now Verstappen.
U should stop watching f1 and Motorsports all together if u feel this justifies driving moronic, max didnt win championships because of his retarded behavior when battling wheel to wheel with ppl, Michael Massi gave him his first and the redbull was too good for the last two seasons. Max is not a once in a lifetime talent ppl behave like he is yes he is very good but it’s not just him, lando Lewis Charles sainz and Alonso can all beat max in equal machinery
One thing we also aren't talking about is the limited use of that curb in T3 braking zone throughout the weekend. I'm only guessing here, but I imagine it has been rebuilt and lacks the grip it has had in the comparison clips. Lando wants to sit on the rubber.
Really. One race and Max is now back to his old self. What is it with this F1 media?? ONE RACE!! I thought mistakes happen in F1 even for the best drivers. It doesnt all of a sudden diminish their accomplishments. It doesn't warrant the Max disrespect as though Lando is now the perfect driver. Clearly both drivers were aggressive and that made the race interesting and superb. This just makes me love Max even more.
Under breaking is a very loose term and i only realized because of this race. The driver NOT under drs has a much smaller "breaking zone" than the other driver.
I don't personally get how its ok for the 2 shoves where a sausage kerb is and not ok where there isn't a sausage kerb. Both Max 2019 and Lando 2024 were over the limit imo. Also the whole "self preservation bit", you need that in racing. If Lando wants to win more or actually contend for a championship. He needs to realize P2 is better than a DNF. He would've had 5 seconds added anyway so it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
I'm not sure how can someone compare this to Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain. In Spain, 50% of Max's car was on the grass, in Austria 0% of Lando's car was on the grass.
all of the champions are the same, look at his Lewis in his early years, and then people said Lewis is such a clean driver, its easy to be a clean driver when your car is faster, you can let people past and overtake them the next lap winning the race by 20 seconds regardless, same goes for Max, granted Lewis isnt as aggressive as Max so its less. however over the last couple of years, we've seen Lewis in multiple situations where as max has been 'clean' This year the pressure is back on so its back to aggression, he knew if Lando got by, it was race over. Also Max was probably given death threats over his reckless divebombs and yet Lando was basically praised by sky sports for it ? In my opinion nothing is gonna change, Alonso, Lewis, Max, Senna all of them would probably choose to crash rather than giving up p1 and Norris is realizing it too so we just need to shut up and let them race
The very same mindset that makes Max Verstappen a villain is also what made him a 3x world champion whilst you might disagree with his actions there's no doubting that his competitive spirit and will to win has helped get him to where he is in the sport's history.
I feel like this is not a new attribute of Max, it is simply being observed and analyzed to this extent for the first time. Everyone knew and analyzed the 2021 season, yes. But afterwards every pundit, every viewer said he got mature. While it may be ingenious to say that he hast matured at all, I do think that that observation was sort of a ‘character development’ that was forced on him as a result of both him not having to go wheel to wheel as much and the lack of storylines that came along with that fact relating to him. I personally do believe that he never changed considerably in the first place. Las Vegas turn 1 being an example of that. Nothing to lose, yet fully pushing Charles off. People just brushed it off and forgot it. It may not have bothered drivers like Norris and/or the fans during the 2021 season as everyone wanted a new winner and champion, but now those people that also root for Norris can finally experience what that driving style has as an impact on the race and the competition objectively. That said, this is great action for Formula 1, and I do hope that we get more wheel-to-wheel action like this!
I just reject the implicit condemnation of his initial actions by calling it "maturing". As if it was behavior that needed changing. As a pro athlete in a top sport you really should use everything that is allowed (or can get away with) to win.
exactly i was furious after that turn 1 incident in vegas but at that point i was amazed to see how people brushed it aside because the protagonaist was our usual max verstappen. i feel pity for leclerc knowing that he is a talent that can give max hard time but still not having the resources to prove himself
exactly i was furious after that turn 1 incident in vegas but at that point i was amazed to see how people brushed it aside because the protagonaist was our usual max verstappen. i feel pity for leclerc knowing that he is a talent that can give max hard time but still not having the resources to prove himself
I do not agree. You made a whole video talking about the sloppy driving Norris had at Austria, how he was not compliant and by not moving and basically provoked the crash and at the end the statement is “Max is the one guilty here”. I think this will set a bad precedent once again, they are basically telling everyone now to go crash Max Verstappen, for the sake of the show, and you wont be penalized, just because he (Max) has a “fame” of being (?) dirty (?). This is the same scenario as Alonso-Russel incident on Australia. Certain drivers cannot try different things, while others can
The sunday in Spain it began. Verstappen already avoided collisions with Norris multiple times these last races. Yet Norris refuses to move one inch to avoid any contact. This is a racing incident that that could've and should've been avoided. But the drivers, teams, and Fia will hopefully learn from this. Otherwise it will hurt them in the long run (finances, upgrades, personal relations, team dynamic, image, etc).
Max was at fault for the incident but Lando did lose his head in the situation. You could tell he was getting frustrated by that move he did where he dived up the inside and went of track which showed desperation to pass Max. Max will always fight hard so Lando will learn from this and do something diffrent next time he fights him.
Max did not veer left as you claimed, please watch the onboards again, his steering wheel was straight at that point. The track does have a slight curvature to the left at that point before shifting to the right, which explains what happened. That being said, Max is technically in breach of FIA regulations that favour the driver on the outside by requiring the inside driver to be extra accomodative to the outside driver and leave them a very comfortable amount of space which Max technically did not at the moment of the crash as the slight drift would leave Lando barely enough space assuming he actually properly reacted to it instead of what actually happened. Thus his penalty application was appropriate. The thing about great drivers is that they will study regulations very closely, and play the game on the margins that is technically okay, but perhaps against the spirit of the regulations. Had the crash not happened, Max would technically be compliant with the rules, even though conceptually he bullied the guy behind by not cooperating and offering them a free chance to attack without outskilling Max through that corner. The FIA has a very tough time policing such things as they run the risk of inconsistency when they attempt to take the spirit of the regulations into consideration, and that usually exposes them for taking the consequences into consideration more than the action. Case in point, Max has been pulling this stunt off multiple times already in the previous laps with no violations or warning for it, but suddenly it becomes a problem when Lando crashes into him after he lost focus and became increasingly desparate to overtake. It doesnt help that hes inching to the outside with DRS enabled, thus his speed is alot faster than he can handle while he's increasingly losing his calm and focus as the laps go by. The penalty is deserved of course, but lets be real had there not been the crash, the FIA wouldnt have penalised it, as they did not the multiple times this scenario played out in previous laps. Fans are also a funny thing, so many people came out the woodwork to stone Max and declare him a bully this time, yet they cheer Magnussen for doing the same things but actually botching things even more than Max did. 2 drivers cut from the same cloth in terms of racing mentality, yet much more people are unhappy with the more significantly skilled driver that uses his skills to take initimidation to brinksmanship level while the significantly less skilled driver that quite often literally fails at their execution and actually breaches regulations is somewhat celebrated for making racing "interesting" in a domination era. We dont really need to debate who is technically right or wrong since the penalty is already issued and the matters closed, but we should also think about what we want to see from racing in general, whether we want to see highly skilled overtakes with strong wheel to wheel action that sometimes people label as unfair or aggressive, or gentlemanly racing where basically whoever gets DRS should be allowed a free and easy overtake from the guy at the front, because what we prefer will ultimately shape the regulations of the future and how F1 driving looks like next time. The FIA evidently is a little confused and conflicted about it themselves, as evident in their creeping inconsistencies in rulings this year.
If Norris fans are happy with his racing in the faster car on better tyres then so be it. Hamilton needed to manipulate the engine rules for extra 35HP to be able to beat Max in 2021. Since then Hamilton has had a dozen collisions.
Lando didnt leave anything. He lunged and got a crap exit. Max passed him easily with no DRS. Guess you have never heard of braking in a straight line on a slightly angled trajectory....its very common in racing.
Old head on young shoulders Aldas. That's a very good summary from a different perspective to nearly all the pundits. Risk/reward comes into play. Max plays the game Senna and Scumacher played - you back away or we crash. They didn't sufficiently punish Senna so Scumacher learned the lesson. We have had a short break then Max arrived young and fresh at a top team. Horner defends the morally indefensible - Baku 2018 collision, "both to blame" The lessons - zero consequence. Has Lando made a conscious decision about not backing down?
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Max hasn't returned to anything, He just hasn't been in a situation that's made him desperate recently, he hasn't matured leaps and bounds as a driver like everybody seems to be saying, Max is the driver that he is. He just hasn't been in a position where he needs to use tactics or set up moves properly in such a long time since the beginning of 22 because of how inherently faster him in that car was in comparison to everyone else
Absolute L take. U should be embarrased. I mean that.🤦
I totally agree with your take, leto_atreusll is a DTS fan
@@leto_atreusIIalright grow up son
@@Ttcase7878 Literally and objectibly wrong. Try again lol
@@jamesmarr5196 Why? Ya'll delusional, facts!
It's just a shame that the teams/drivers feel like a crash is needed for the stewards to do something - if driving standards are breached then it's the stewards' job to do something, not to wait for a crash to happen first. The responsibility shouldn't be on the victim to shed light on the aggressor!
The stewards should not do anything. Hard racing should be encouraged, and contact and crashes are just a bonus.
They just barely had the slightest of little bumps/kisses. Super unlucky they both got a puncture, but no reason for people to overreact and immediately ask for rules and punishments so this (smallest contact in a fight) never happens again. *Crashes are a part of F1, as bloody noses are a part of boxing. If anyone can't handle that, stop watching instead of crying for rule changes.*
"hard racing" 🙄 or just don't move under breaking or force off-road. @@GFSCN69
Just like the stewards should penalize the driver exceeding track limits repeatedly to gain an advantage before he can crash with the other driver right?
@@GFSCN69you should waste your time in F1, you should be demolition derby mad max ,Christian horner and Michael macy ...that would be the grand psycho...team..
@@GFSCN69you are my hero
F1 literally made a rule because of Max,that should stop turning while under braking. Yet they never punish Max for violating this.
The clips are showing at least 3 other drivers doing the exact same move. Braking in a straight line, but slightly aimed outwards. But most drivers on the outside in these clips realized the other guy was doing this, and ran a few wheels off the track/into the curb to avoid a crash. Lando doesn't, hits max, and then cries foul because his car is broken. Since everyone hates Max, everything sticks. Not 1 race ago starting straight someone pushed max off the road. 2 wheels on the grass. He complained, but he didn't crash. Same thing with clips here where max pushed Lewis off the track.
Being aggressive and pushing someone off is a dick move. But hitting the other car when you have room you can go to is incompetence. More so if the other guy is able to finish the race while you have to retire afterwards. Lando's probably my 2nd favorite driver but he needs to do better.
You realise that they punished him for turning under braking in a recent GP in which he collided with Norris? It literally happened a few days ago and here you are commenting on a video which was inspired by this incident yet you haven't got a clue. Genuine question, why?
@@Czeslaw_cn4tvI think perhaps they mean the fact that Max had been moving under braking for several laps prior to their collision, and he didn’t get penalized for it until it escalated into actual contact.
@@Tensooni your theory is basically when fight with Max you need to leave him a whole track space. If you don't yield and crash its your fault. Max is allowed to move under braking and you complain its you that incompetent to overtake, go home and cry in corner. Max is never at fault. Period.
@@Czeslaw_cn4tvthe penalty was for CAUSING A COLLISION! Not moving under braking….read the stewards decision!!!
Max left Lando the same "car width" that he was given at the start of Spain. Remember, the one he was giggling about in the last press conference. You can't try and drive a guy off the road one week, and cry about it the next.
sir Lewis Hamilton told verstappen that he wouldn't have left him any room while he was laughing about Norris' answer, verstappen stopped laughing awfully quickly.
i think you should get a clue first
@@Boy10DioNo mate you are wrong. What actually happened was that when LH said that, Max laughed and affirmed it saying Yeah you are probably right. Stop spreading hate and misinformation
Doesn't change the fact that max is pushing cars off track. You're not obligated to yield if it's past the white line. Lando decided not to roll over like Leclerc and look what happens, a crash. Max has done this countless, countless, countless times, and whenever the opponent doesn't back out, there's a crash
I think I'm sensing a theme here. You can ride Max's nuts all day and night, but this bullshit needs to stop
@@dylanc3852yep. The reality is that Max has always been like this, where as a driver like Lewis races respectfully and doesn’t run someone off the track everytime they get close to passing him. I’ve never been a big Max fan for that exact reason. I cannot root for a guy who is 70 points up in the championship, who has been moving under braking for multiple laps, and who crashes into his opponent and supposed friend when they finally get close to pulling the move off. It’s just not respectable. That’s the reason that I still root for Lewis even though he’s not my favorite driver. He deserves a win, and he deserves the positions he takes and holds
@@talbotd27 I agree with your point but just be careful mentioning Lewis. Max fans tend to dismiss any argument and vice versa when he's mentioned
I think only lecrec know how to race side by side with max. He know when to be agressive and know when to back off. He can fool max also, by creating the DRS chicken move 😅
Or Max is the problem
That doesn't work at every track and only really worked in 2022 when these regs leh you follow.
Now they are basically 2021 cars with all of the dirty air that comes off them.
Leclerc learned young since the inchident
Thats because of silverstone 2019. Leclerc matched his aggression
Leclerc is definetly the best wheel to wheel racer on the grid at the minute. I don't like it when people say he's a hotlap merchant because I mean... Look at the car he's driving. Often awful tyre wear and questionable strategies. He has been so far the only driver I can remember who has defeated Max Verstappen in a wheel to wheel race without a collision happening (I think Raikkonen did it a couple of times as well iirc).
If Leclerc was in the Mclaren this year I think the championship fight would be much much closer. Leclerc knows how to play the long game whilst also knowing when to take the chance when he has it. Ricciardo, Hamilton, Norris, Vettel all end up having a big crash with him. Granted, the blame was on Verstappen for pretty much all the incidents (except Copse 2021), but you can defeat him without turning into a bull in a china shop like Verstappen is.
honestly this can all be traced back to austria 2019, where the steward’s reluctance to give a penalty because of the backlash in canada set the precedent that the driver on the inside can force the outside driver off the track with no consequence
Pete Windsor broke this Down perfectly. Max was ahead and had the inside line. Why should he have to compromise his line for lando behind him? There was plenty of room left. Lando constantly entering corners at erratic speeds via drs, on several occasions. He had fresher tyres, he should have been more patient. If the FIA did their job and gave lando his obvious penalty on time then none of this would have happened. The UK media glazing landos nut sack is crazy. This is the same guy that squeezed max onto the grass literally last week.
Seriously the brits are doing some next level seething 😂😂😂❤❤
Exactly everyone is jumping on this band wagon that Max is entirely at fault, he is to a certain extent but lando was also being wildly aggressive and dangerous in his attempts to overtake
You don't pass Verstappen in a turn and expect to come out unscathed. You need to get a perfect corner exit and get him with DRS on a straight.
It was his corner and his line. It's up to the driver behind to not crash into him.
Finally some spicy racing
Versus good racing, natch.
@@f1jones544seethe
@@f1jones544 good racing => predictable => ok we have a new winner today. Is that how F1 should feel like to you?
@@f1jones544 2023 was good racing from max. Not many people where happy with that.
I'd rather have hard, clean, beautiful racing like we saw between Hamilton and Rosberg in 2014 over dirty hard racing that ends as soon as the two opponents get close to each other though tbh.
What an overdramatic title jesus christ
It's true though?
Ikr bet this dude is fucking british. Title is click bait
@@venorando3672no
What an over dramatic response. Get off the internet if this bothers you that much.
That's the point
People can complain and cry all they want but this is what will make him a legendary driver. Look at Senna or Schumacher. Be upset all you want but dudes one of the best there ever was or ever will be.
Those 2 were still assholes
For real. Everyone sees Schumacher and Senna as Gods, but they did maybe worse things than Verstappen now. I think it's just a lot of British biases as pretty much all big youtubers, media channels etc are British. But one thing is certain. He will be considered one of the legendary drivers of F1
So Hamilton is the GOAT because of Silverstone 2021 by that logic.
@@mro9466 the logic is, to be GOAT, you have to be aggressive first, but being aggressive does not guarantee being a GOAT. And this actually applies to almost all highly competitive sports, just look at Michael Jordan.
People always get mad if you call out Senna or Schumacher or Montoya because of reverence for old legends and because many F1 fans who are winging about this are younger and haven't delved into older seasons and older drivers who had reputations for pushing limits in wheel to wheel combat
We had the best season ever in 2021, and this is what's been missing since then. Hard fights for the lead, constantly at and over the limit, the best drivers fighting each other as hard as possible with a knife between their teeth, dramatic fights and epic crashes.
Imagine if Verstappen had just moved out of the way and stayed still. The fight would have lasted one corner of one lap and then it would have been over. Viewers deserve better. If this is 2021 all over again, don't change a thing, because that's a feature and not a bug.
And my and many other peoples opinions who been watching Formula One for over 40 years consider 2021 one of the worst seasons to watch because of the dirty Racing. There is a thing called hard racing and there is a thing called dirty racing. It’s a clear distinction.
@@claudiomarangone6142021 one of the worst seasons? worse than the Mercedes years? worse than 2022 until now? ok grandpa go water your plants. at least that is peaceful and won't get your heart rate up😂😂
2021 was exciting but that was cheap drama and poor sportsmanship
Not the
2007, 2008, 2012, 2017 were better ...
@@mro9466 Agreed
It's wild that all these channels advocate for Max not defending and leaving the door open to anyone with DR'S.
This is the difference between the old 00s and early 10s drivers and the new video game drivers - little to no regards to racing lines and over-eagerness to dare the other driver into a collision. You never saw this stuff during Kimi, Alonso, Schumacher, Barichello and Montoya's era much, only in a few occasions. Those were gentleman drivers.
In those days the tracks were lined with grass or gravel. You can't force someone off into that without risking a serious accident.
These young drivers don't have that level of respect.
Norris getting too impatient and dive bombing and going off track getting penalties
How the British media seized on the desperately awaited opportunity to pounce on Max.
Norris had about 3 of the divebomb moves that Max was castigated for in 2021, and Max had to take avoiding action every time to prevent a collision. Then their was a very slight touch that had big consequences, in an incident that was not more egregious than tens of incidents that have happened since 2021, involving probably every driver in the grid, including teammates like Charles and Carlos and Lewis and George. Lewis has had crashes in the same corner with Albon and Rosberg.
Max is Max, he is aggressive and sometimes crosses the line. He had some bad decisions in the last few races of 2021, but this was nowhere near that. But Lando and Stella are going completely overboard with their reactions, this is racing and things happen.
Really disappointed that Aldas gave two incomplete information. Firstly in the post race conference max said he will have to look back before he can blame himself or lando, unlike what aldas said that max blamed lando. Secondly, you said max drove off the track in the second lunge by lando. In the first one lando drove himself out of the track so he gave the position back, in the second lunge lando drove max off the track and max stayed ahead. So why should max have given the position. And as for the crash, I really have to ask, was it erratic? The racing line veers left before turning into the corner, max did exactly that. So I disagree on the erratic comment. Not saying it wasn’t his fault. But saying erratic seems very uncalled for.
"The racing line veers left before turning into the corner, Max did exactly that."
And did not bother to look into the mirror his car clearly has.
@@JAY-RIZZY Max looked and knew Lando was there... He just didn't act on it.
Just like Lando knew Max was there, and did not change direction. So they made contact. According to the letter of the rule, Max is at fault.
I think if Lando moved enough to sill have a wheel within the line, and not make contact. No penalty would have been given. It is imo Lando who chose to make contact and have 'luck' & the stewards decide what will happen. But again, Max is at fault for this not leaving enough room for the entire car on track (according to the rules).
(A week earlier the roles where reversed, and Max decided not to have contact with Lando, even though the stewards might have given it to Max, Because Max rather not have Luck decide damage in that stage of the race.)
In regards to the incident where Max left the track and held the position. As far as I can tell, the inside driver is almost never punished for not leaving a cars width on the exit. Given they are on the inside, it is seen as their corner I guess. I don't know how I feel about this but I'll let actual racing drivers/ other professionals decide this. Anyway, this all said, this would then assume that Lando's overtake was legitimate and legal. Max's only option was to concede and try the switch back. Instead, he accelerated very early (way earlier than he would if he was trying to stay on track imo) and chose to leave the track to come back on ahead of Lando.
Overall I think this particular move should have been a slam dunk penalty to Verstappen. Much more so than any of the "moving under braking" or "moving in the braking zone", or the actual contact itself. But I'm interested in other peoples opinions on this incident. If there is any precedent it would be good as well.
Well said!!
You are wrong for so many reasons. Firstly, Aldas never claimed that Verstappen blamed Norris in the post race conference. Secondly, you can clearly see Norris ahead at the apex, and Verstappen driving off track and keeping the position. Watch Anthony Davidson’s skypad review, and you’ll see how Verstappen bails out early and actually accelerates off track to keep ahead of lando. +10 for me. Also, aldas only used the word erratic to describe some of verstappens driving over the years (which is fair), not this crash specifically.
it is exactly his driving style that keep me watching f1, especially since 2021, i never missed a single gp since his 2021 season
Max would've won the race in that Mclaren on Sunday - that says everything you need to know.
Lando has won 1 race (in part due to the Safety Car). That's it. He needs to keep his head down and stop talking so much. The only reason why he was in a position where he could challenge Max is because the RB pit stop guy messed up, not because Lando did something spectacular on track to catch up. Max is a cutthroat driver and it'll make for an entertaining season.
"nothing spectacular" he was a couple tenths per lap quicker in the last stint.
"lando has won 1 race. thats it" yeah no shit someone whos been in the sport for 4 years less and has only been in a competetive car for not even a full season has less wins than someone whos had a competetive car for 7.5 seasons.
They were fighting, no one would give a shit if it didn’t end Lando’s race.
don't forget he is British! And the Brits always treasure their drivers....!
Lando sucks bad under pressure!
@@justanotherbeautiful5736 yeah sure
@@justanotherbeautiful5736you say Lando sucks under pressure but it was your Dutch lord and savior who starts driving very sloppy and causes accidents when he’s under pressure. Deff not bias of you to disregard that. Kinda like the Brit’s do with their drivers 🙃
British cry baby hahah
Yeah, Max sac'd his rear wheel to intentionally take Lando out in the only instance where the move Tackle is "very effective". Since Max does never get meaningful penalties
Lando’s divebombs were like Max in 2021.
Lando was over the line
I agree, but the collision was not his fault, it was Max's
I love how the British are so biased!
Max is the definition of greatness. He is superb, a king, a Sungod. Flawless in all his moves with perfect positioning. Gentle for his tires but ruthless for the competition. No one can touch him. All should bow deep for his excellence.
You ready to make more exuses for your dear leader after Max's tantrum at the Hungarian GP?
Lando needs to up his game in close quarter racing.
Isn't it funny that everyone else always needs to learn how to race the guy who never learned to drive in lower formula?
@@f1jones544 If that is your excuse to be angry, it is a poor one. Max had to learn to race against equally as aggressive opponents over the year and that culminated his style. Lewis was able to nearly beat it with his own unique aggressive style, even Charles when he had a somewhat close car can cleanly race Max. Norris has barely ever gotten time to race at the front of F1 and still needs to cultivate podium/champion level skills to consistently fight without causing a crash, it isn't some clean squeaky podium. Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Hunt and so many other winners are winners because of their amazing aggression.
@@f1jones544cry
Trying to shift the blame on Lando here is crazy, sure he made mistakes but that doesn't justify what Verstappen did at all
@@AkibaMomoro Finally someone with some more knowledge than the average DTS fan lol - EXACTLY that - the best of the best didn't get where they are by always being ''polite'' and waving people thru - you get to a certain level by being at / sometimes OVER the limit of legality and acting in the exact grey zone where others like Schumacher / Senna / Prost / and ALSO a young Hamilton acted - Champions are NEVER nice - they are ALL cut throat - and controversial!
This is one of the better analyses of this situation I've seen. Showing similarities to what has happened in the past between drivers explains it well.
Max and previous F1 champs are fierce and unrelenting competitors. They make the racing exciting!
While Lando, finally in a competitive car to challenge, will now have to learn what it takes to be an F1 champion...ruthless.
Bahrain 2022, Saudi 2022, Monaco 2019, Austria 2022, Vegas 2023, yes Max can be erratic as the likes of Lewis and Seb for example have been before and I think he was at fault for that final collision, but no one should fool themselves into thinking that Max has NO idea how to race under pressure.
I mean, Leclerc kinda got a good grip on Max in Silverstone 2019 and Bahrain, Saudi 2022. He put him under pressure to mistake, multiple times using the DRS tactic to fool him. Yes, in Silverstone and Saudi, Max came out victorious, but Leclerc showed he is a hard and fair racer that could put Max to work hard.
@@Eriksen-wp3tv but crucially the two never came together in a way that was terminal. It just annoys me when people use this example to say that Max is still the hotheaded guy he was in 2018 he isn’t.
@@hamirthapar6788yes, I agree, its just so biased. Max could race perfect for 3 years, which he basically has, and when one incident occurs, people point the finger and shout "THERE, I KNEW IT, HE'S CRASHTAPPEN!!!"
While people like hamilton had so many more incidents the last few years and no one talks about. And lando, I'm sorry, what he did in spain was at least as bad, and they just laughed it off
If you haven't already, I suggest you listen to Peter Windsor's review on this race. This is to both Aldas and viewers.
I think this was an insanely incomplete analysis, and everyone who is agreeing clearly did not see the on-board of max during the crash.
he moves the car to the middle of the track 2 seconds before the turn, and keeps the steering wheel EXACTLY straight during the crash. Lando after DRS was coming in too fast and did not brake hard enough to back off. Inside line belonged to Max. Sure, it is kind of maxs fault but no where near the aggression that’s displayed in the past.
Peter Windsor goes into this better, and I confirmed by watching the on-board multiple times.
That's incorrect. Max maybe kept going straight, but that means little when the track is NOT moving straight.
Moving straight into a right hand corner is exactly the same as continuesly moving left on a straight: i. E. the gap on the left side to the edge of the track gradually disappears.
You don't need to apply mental gymnastics here, just imagine the track limit to the left being a solid wall instead of a white line and you see why Max was at fault here.
I dare say max knows just as much, probably the reason why this never really happens on tracks where there actually IS a solid wall instead of just a white line.
And you confirmed what the other maxi pad apologise said thanks for your analysis 🤡🤡🤡
@@jgee9160 Let me guess you are form the UK?
@@aidanya1336 let me guess your Dutch as it’s spelt “from” 🙈🤣
@@jgee9160 lol switching up 2 letters while typing is very common when typing fast. It has nothing to do with knowing the language. Also not dutch.
What a title, you'd think he killed someone. LOL
the compliance and non-compliance part of the vid is such fax. so overlooked
Excellent video, I agree 100%.
But let me add, How can the FIA punish Max? Michael Masi made the 'No Max Penalty' rule. Masi may be gone, but the stewards still follow that rule.
The FIA aren't just ruining the show for the fans and drivers, they are ruining it for Max too. If they actually penalized him when deserved, then it would have forced Max to become an even better driver. But without accounting him to the rules, they are robbing him of his own development.
Really guys, maybe he wasnt 100% clean, but dont act like that was some horrible driving, they all race like that. I would argue that norris' move at the start in spain was at least as bad, both laughed it off. Also, norris' divebombs before the crash werent 100% clean either. you can dish it out, you should also be able to take it.
the difference is that the move in spain wasnt under braking and there was still a cars width between lando and the white line, max overreacted to the squeeze and put 2 wheels onto the grass himself
@@the4GIVEN He pushed lando onto the kerbs, while lando pushed max INTO THE GRASS. very different
So now "divebomb" is the new term for late braking? If Max does it, his fans say it is full send. When cars have similar pace as the Redbull and Mclaren seem to have, you cannot just rely on DRS and superior car pace to overtake. You have to try other methods like braking late into a corner, which has been a part of F1 forever.
@@the4GIVENit was at high speed, which is a million times more dangerous
@@quigglyz no, it isnt. f1 cars are really good at turning (and therefore avoiding other cars if needed) at high speeds. if you try to turn while braking youll like just lockup your front tires and go straigth regardless. thats why its not allowed for the defending car to change their line in the braking zone. it is very hard for the atacking car to avoid collision.
This kind of racing invites good championship battles, I am all for it.
Max didn't become his old self. He made one slip of misjudgement in a weekend where otherwise he defended Lando as well as a champion could, or on the previous race weekend, in a car that on paper was weaker than the McLaren. If anything, Lando Norris just became Old Max instead. With every divebomb, he became more and more desperate and cried wolf afterwards, and then post race did not take any accountability, nor his boss really, and just pointed fingers. All while Max really showing how far he has become at keeping a cool head by saying he and the team made mistakes, he needs to look back and analyse before saying more, and that he immediately offered Lando a chat to discuss the incident (who again, just mumbled a "whatever"). Lando hasn't realized yet what it means to actually race for the top and be in title contention and challenge someone wheel to wheel, and just like old Max, is too busy throwing emotional fits rather than learning from what went wrong. If anything, it makes it so clear how people from a very specific part of the crowd were waiting for one simple moment to crawl out of their caves and immediately shout "SEE???? MAX ISNT A GOOD DRIVER ALL ALONG!!!!! BANISH HIM!!!!!!!" ((gives the hard stare)) It is true the final clash is on Max, but saying he is back to his old self is the stretchiest of stretches, especially as Lando is not innocent in it, either, and if this truly will become a rivalry and we will see more clashes for the rest of the season, then I will not be looking forward to see all the toxicity firing up again, and all the biased cries that conveniently will ignore the other side of the coin ((returns to hard staring))
Welcome to media, don't think too into it. Mr yappinator 9000
In my opinion, Norris got too frustrated that he can't overtake and touched Verstappen's car to take both of them out. Guess his plan failed.
People should easily be able to see that Max was moving slowly to the left on the helicopter shot. Whether or not he was braking at the same time is a different story, but it still caused a collision
But why didn't Norris react on that like Verstappen did in Spain and multiple times this weekend? He just didn't correct his line one inch, and drove straight onto a slowly incoming Verstappen. Verstappen didn't touched Norris on purpose, it looked like Norris wanted the contact.
@@pidfenderlane9012 On the onboard, Lando was making extremely small movements on his wheel, keeping it straight but then very slightly moving his wheel left. I think he either reacted too late and/or didn't expect Max to do this again
@@pidfenderlane9012 Ofhen times, when Max divebombs someone, he plays a "you move or we crash" game. Lando got frustrated that Max kept moving around when he tried to pass, so he played the same game Max did. Either Mak backs off, or they crash. They crashed.
@@justinm.1 , Verstappen didn't make any erratic movements on his steering wheel either before the touch happened. Look also at his onboards. He didn't even looked left before the touch because he didn't expect Norris being there that close. He left space for more than 99% of Norris his car. And you've seen the helicopter shot, so you've seen the time for Norris to react. Plenty of time to avoid a very slowly incoming Verstappen. Which he should've done, just like he expected Verstappen to do for multiple times these last 2 races. And if Verstappen wasn't braking while going slightly to the left, he didn't do anything wrong with the collision.
Not saying Verstappen didn't do anything wrong, but Norris intentionally didn't avoid the contact. But in his defence, nobody could've guessed this slightest touch would take them both out of the win.
@Appletank8 , so when was the last divebomb from Verstappen? Leclerc 2023 in vegas, right? Got immediate a penalty for that, unlike Norris got. Glad you're honest saying it wasn't Verstappen who initiated the contact. Also, when looking at Verstappen's onboard, he didn't expect or see Norris. So, there is no intention to touch like Norris had. This just means Norris is the one that caused a collision instead of Verstappen. Just like my original comment said.
Notice how everyone is riding the curbs besides norris lmaooooo
So if people say that the Stewards need to do something about that crash then Silverstone 2021 is a clear black flag for Lulu🤷🏻♂️
It's the racing style that we all keep coming back to 😂 and for a good reason
7:10 The vid is fine, but Horner is not covering for Max in that saying. That statement is pretty straight forward in saying "They raced hard and faced their consequences". Saying "That means that he knows it's Max's fault" is poor reporting and putting words/thoughts in the mouths of others.
nah
Dude, it’s one race. How did even came up to this conclusion?
Its really annoying. Max basically drove mistake-free for 2 years, one minor mistake/bit of dirty driving, and he is the most dangerous person on the planet
Double standards. They've been waiting to hate on Max and tbh it's so sad to see the media and fans being like this and lost what the sport is truly all about. Like if they want to find a villain, they should just watch Game of Thrones instead of F1.
@@MCFoultier yep, I think I’ll unsubscribe this channel. Sad to see it to seek loud statements
@@MCFoultierwell in the last 2 years his car was so much faster he didn’t need to push every fight to the absolute limit but now he has to and it’s not a coincidence his incidents are increasing now
Ready to admit you were wrong after Max's tantrum in the Hungarian GP?
First off, Norris is not ready to race Max. He thought that Max would just move over and give him the race lead, which was never going to happen. Secondly, Max did not move under braking; he positioned his car so that he could force Norris to go left coming to the corner. That's called defensive driving, which Max's haters (especially those biased commentators at Sky Sports) will always blame Max for. Just go and watch Charles vs. Max back in 2022 at the same corner, and you'll understand what I am talking about.
Thank god, someone with a brain
the sky sports commentary team is Biased towards red bull. For example they sacked Johnny Herbert because he said Hamilton would be a 8 time champion if the rules were followed correctly.
@@Hamilton8timeChampion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I guess I was watching a different race.
This is racing otherwise its just machines running according to rules and programs, unless its dangerous it should be alowed
Lando runs Max onto the grass, Max doesn't crash, no penalty given.
Max edges to the left leaving Lando 1.5 car widths, Lando doesn't react and as a result they both collide. Penalty for Max.
Max also moves in the braking zone twice and pushes Lando on the grass when they both have punctures
Defo not dangerous
@@KJ28554 Max: Dead or Alive you're coming with me 😈
lando left a full car width to the line in spain on a straight.
max didnt leave a full car wifth to the line in a corner/braking zone.
lando dives and goes offttrack and gives the position back.
max goes offtrack to keep the position.
i admire max and hes a generational talent and will go down in history as one of the greatest off all time, but this race was just not clean.
@@Selendeki I’m on about the ones before where Lando tries to go down the inside but Max moves under breaks and blocks him
He was always there lol. Just didnt have anyone fighting him. Except Charles in 2022 first half and Lewis 2021. If Max had matured he would have let Lando go, gotten him right after, or enjoyed the win due to Lando's 5 second penalty for track limits.
Exactly!
Ironicaly, Max showed much more maturity during interviews after the race than Lando the crybaby did.
But the Red Bull messed up with Verstappen not telling how close Norris was to a black flag when he had already had a 5 second penalty.
Or you know. Lando could have moved. It was Max's line.
@@thatlambda8587 I think this is the most common misconception and also a proof that someone doesn't understand racing. Max had chosen his racing line already and Norris had adapted to that. Max then abandoned/changed his line and got into Norris line. Not too hard to understand right?
Props to Hamilton for dealing with this shit for an entire season
I would have snapped a long time ago in Hamilton's place.
And it's also really sad for the sport, because Max CAN drive fast and clean.
I guess history is just going to repeat itself.
Bunch of crybabies... THIS is F1 look at Schumacher and Senna we dont want it clean, we want it spicey
@@ben-g314 youre 13 what do you know about Senna / Schumi?
@@ben-g314 you want entertainment and bloodsport not racing
Hamilton was just as bad, ask Rosberg. Hamilton knew Rosberg would always back down and he had better car control.
The problem with the comparisons being used is that Lewis vs Seb, and Max vs Carlos had the drivers MUCH closer throughout the braking zone than what happened here. Lando was behind Max, right up until the second that he wasn't.
Regardless of what Max should or should not have done, the "crash" was 100% Lando's fault. Had he been along side him at the start or even mid way through the braking zone, then this would absolutely be on Max.
But he wasn't. He got alongside right as they began the actual turn, at the point where all evidence from this race and multiple races in the past show that the best line for the corner is to take it slightly wider.
Period. The end. That IS the line that drivers like to take, especially when defending. So it is either a penalty all the time, or it isn't.
It wasn't until they touched. So that means Lando had NO reason to believe he was entitled to anything. All the while ignoring track limits to gain advantage,
So, to say that max is "back to his old ways" is not only insulting to the drivers, both Max and Lando, but also completely ignorant of what actually occurred in the race.
Did f1 not learn from 2021, just make the on track decisions in a timely and correct manner, lando should have had that track limits penalty. As soon as they tangled the penalty comes through
Dude, the moving under breaking is a rule because of Max. Pre-Max, moves like that would be considered hard racing and probably praised.
Never understood why it’s so “bad”. Both Lando AND Max went overboard and got sloppy.
the penalty was for CAUSING A COLLISION! Not moving under braking….read the stewards decision!!!
Ah yes, the British being British... Both were playing stupid games and with stupid games you win stupid prizes. The difference is that Max drove on to score some points at least and Norris drove like a blind horse, destroying his car in the process.
Max crashed into Lando. Lando was parallel to the curb when they contacted, Max was not because he went defensive under braking then realized lando was on his outside so he changed course (under braking) and tried to squeeze Lando.'Tried' as in he miscalculated and didnt give Lando the 1 car space. Lando could have been further left on the curve and was stickling his nose up the outside - 70/30 Max fault and thats generous
The start of the Spanish GP was the other way about, with Lando pushing Max wide, so rules of engagement were set there.
the spain one not worse than austria one. That austria sprint and full grand prix is very clumsy from lando tbh. Even Lewis won't make such stupid divebomb like Lando did
@johnlau6749 in one way I'm glad to see Lando challenging Max and especially for the win of a GP. But yes ur right it was not smooth and precise over takes from Lando. Back to Spain, it was Lando who squeezed Max onto the Grass at the start.
@johnlau6749 To me, there both at fault for the racing incident.
@@kdm6287 but still Lando cannot make these sloppy clumsy divebombs which cost him
I'm starting to question your f1 knowledge after this video
Hope more races like this will happen it was missing since the Schumacher era (excluding 2021) ! And like the 1989,1990 season championships 😊 !
I believe Lando just don't have the race craft to be a world champion
Drivers with worse racecraft have been WDC.
Depends on how much margin their car has over all the others. If it is big enough, Lando can surely win a title. If it is much closer, as it seems to be now, I fully agree.
So you created this video to show your bias and declare that you still aren’t over 2021? We all know you are British biased but someone. This is being blown out of proportion. Every British f1 fan is becoming unhinged after this race, it’s quite comical.
No, he just has eyes in his head that work like most of us
Well said
@@101cheekieyou proof his point 😂
Besides Lando btw who texted Max on monday to make it up. And Max his reaction was that the only thing he cared about is that he is still great friends with Lando. You British fake fans ( not all British most of you are lovely) are just stupid
Max avoided a crash 3 times when Lando was divebombing him before, and left plenty off room this time but Lando did not do anything to avoid contact ...
Look at Sainz-Max 2023 or Leclerc-Max 2022 who went left much further with Max aside, Max went all the way onto the curbs to avoid contact so no crash.
I think this "divebombing" term is now overused and being vilified. It is late braking and has been a part of F1 forever. With DRS not available in 2026, this is going to be the only way you can overtake another vehicle especially if both have similar pace. Cheap DRS overtakes is over.
The way you describe Max's style and aggressive behaviour reminds me of how Senna used to drive.
When you push a lion, you better be ready for consequences.
Max was over defensive. However, Lando was also over aggressive, so in my opinion both were in the wrong.
max was more at fault though and should have got a penalty
@@Hamilton8timeChampion he did get a penalty
@@tristan-lp7uw i know
@@Hamilton8timeChampionYes, Max was at fault, but your opinion doesn't hold any value thanks to your profile picture
@@Hamilton8timeChampionYes, Max was at fault, but your profile name suggests that you are not a very legit source of information, are you?
This line makes you sound a bit daft; 'veering left despite the fact that it is a righthanded corner'. That is how you take most corners.
It’s as if the dudes never driven a racing line before. Absolutely shocking for an F1 fan.
Yes, even peter windsor say because the nature of the turn 3 that little bit veer to the left before the actual chicane make it realistic to the car moving a little bit to left to take the corner. Even in game you normally would take those corner by turn to left a little bit and then rotate your car fully to right. And you can take this as grain of salt because I see from some telemetry data that actually max move his steering just right before braking, if it was true then he clearly not wrong technically
@@nomiyahere3466 You are right, even though I dislike Max and I think he is king divebomb himself, in this case Norris just botched it. I drive that circuit a lot on sim racing and you have to pass either on the inside or stay behind for the DRS line and cut back so you can overtake on the straight. Trying to overtake on the outside is just very risky and you have to understand the driver on the inside is looking at the right, at the apex of the corner. It is mostly on the driver on the outside to make sure you don't collide and Max left more than enough room.
@@inverted_real_it_y yes, even I tried it on rfactor to overtake from outside in turn 3 it's just not work at all. You will lose a lot of traction if you decide divebomb from outside. It's better to take safer approach just blast on straightline or divebomb in turn 4 (I like this turn because once you done it, it will close any posibilities to being overtaken easily)
@@nomiyahere3466 Have you watched the Jolyon Palmer analysis? Does shed another light on the crash, I have to say.
English gonna hate on Max fr
Car ahead into the corner OWNS the corner.
It was Norris's job to not crash into the guy in front.
I think the main factor in this was Lando’s desperation, the moves he made were sloppy and max had to react accordingly to control the situation. The last collision was defidently max’s fault, but if he would have defended in the perfect way covering the inside I think with the approach Lando had he would have gotten rear ended.
i dont think lando would have gotten this desperate if max had kept it clean and hadnt moved under braking almost every hard braking zone.
Thats one thing i like about max. Last year ge made the FIA look sikly when he exploited the rule that you couls overtake in thr pit lane exit. He completely exposed them for making a stupid and very dangerous rules. He was the one that took fully advantage and showed the FIA should change it cause it was dangerous
A champion exploits any advantage he can to win. I don't blame Max, Red Bull or anyone else for pushing the limits of the rules.
@@Selendeki They haven't adopted it. It's all fine when a British driver is doing it. While it is a problem when someone is doing it who is not British.
Why someone would even take these hypocritic toxic a-holes seriously is beyond me.
I don't get why people are complaining, just enjoy the race mate come onnnn
"Desperate" by today's standards. Pretty normal by yesterday's. People often feel nostalgia for the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, but when they actually get really intense battles like this, people loose their minds. Passing on the outside is always super risky right? I also seem to remember Lando one time a year or two ago, squeezing out Cheko on the outside, then getting pissed off for when HE got a penalty exclaiming: "what did he expect?" on the radio. It's sort of an old unspoken rule that the guy with the inside line owns the corner.
Perhaps a penalty is warranted, perhaps not, but people need to calm down. Honestly the biggest villain in all this is the media. Everybody is so over dramatic about stuff that was so common not too long ago.
They banged wheels, knocked each other out. It happens. Just enjoy the show, and hopefully we can get some more cheeky T poses from Russell.
Peter Windsor has the best analysis of this incident.
That point about driver compliance VS being stubborn and not giving in was great context you are right it’s not talked about or shown in examples enough
Is it Max returning to his old ways?
Or is it because this is the first time Max and Lando have ever gotten into a serious dogfight, and neither drivers have any experience challenging each other like that, and thus are unfamiliar with each other's approach?
And yes, Max is still at fault for constantly turning under braking.
I'd say yes to the old way at least, because what he did to Norris on that lap was the same thing that he did to Bottas in Italy 2018
You get it. Lando has not had nearly any time fighting champions at the front. Max had to do it for a while with drivers like Sebastian, Kimi, Alonso, and Hamilton before his first champion fight with Lewis in the infamous year that shall not be named.
You people should stop watching f1 and get therapy before you hurt yourself.
You took all talking points from Davidson's rabbid, biased analyze. The comparation between lap 63 and 2019 disqualifes your opinion - is not even close the same thing. In 2019, Max held the inside of Leclerc for the entire braking area, while now Lando bombed the inside from 30m back. And lap 64...wholly crap, what an uncontrolled, scrappy move from Lando. Biased, embarassing shit. This after Lando pushed him off track at Barcelona and no one said anything. Peter Winsdor is right.
These are the ramblings of an insane Max fan. Your judgment is so clouded. There is footage of Max divebombing Leclerc in the exact same way. The 2019 incident is the same.
Im not a Max fan, buddy. Just an F1 fan disgusted by British bias in the last 15 years in the sport.
@@gestapo81 it isn't British bias when they pretty much support Max for his ridiculous moves. We saw the exact same with Vettel. It's actually anti British rhetoric because you seem to think the media is biased towards our drivers but that absolutely isn't the case. They are individuals and have their own interests and the majority of the teams are based in Britain. It's a naive argument from someone who is ignorant of how F1 is run.
Lando pushed the guy on grass last race and no one said shit. Lando was the only one penalized for going over track limits in this race and no one says shit. Max would had won this race confortably if the penalty would had come in the race. Lando was to desperated to use the tire advantage that would have gone in a few laps time. Shit racer.
@@Pretency LOL! you almost called me a racist there. The main focus to all the british comentators during and after the race was that Max suddenly veered left, when after the onboard video, everyone saw nothing of that, but Lando turning into Max.
If there is one thing the last three days have shown me, is that most of you would simply not be able to survive Senna and Schumacher lol
Norris is not ready in any way to compete with Max...yet. The only ones who can match Verstappen like this are Hamilton and Leclerc, the latter probably more so because him and Verstappen have been racing each other since they were kids. Funny enough, in that same corner Verstappen and Leclerc had a nice w2w action in 2022, no collision. Last year, I think it was Sainz and Verstappen, nothing happened either. Ya'll really blew this so out of proportion, you'd think he killed Norris and a hundred puppies.
Wellsaid!!
God this comment section is toxic. One week later at silverstone and both drivers have moved on. I think this crash was blown way out of proportion.
I don't believe that Verstappen hasn't matured; I simply think he has a fundamentally different approach to racing than the other drivers. Some might find it unbecoming or reckless, but I find it to be endearing. That might sound strange, but he is quite literally willing to risk a crash and death to win. That speaks to his mentality and his trophy collection, one which is rivaled by only two other men... It's gotten him far, so why stop now?
Max defended the inside so he would definitely turn wider for the entry, when max started to turn wider lando wasnt at his side yet, but then lando sent it up the outside like a divebomb.
Lando was dive bombing like CRAZY. Went off himself once
Pushed Max off another time.
In Spain, Lando ran max on the grass on the start
But this is all Max? LOL
Your bias is showing
Fr I’m seeing this type of content from most if not all British F1 content creators. Do any of them have an original idea or did McLaren send out talking points😂
A 10 second penalty and two points on his license says who fault it was.
@@zandygreene8834let me guess you started in 2021.........right?
Actually, your bias is showing toward Max
I'm neither British not European. I like max a lot, did cheer for him in 2021. But just think about this. Had it been Alonso or Lewis instead of Max, in the turn where Lando and Max collided, Lando would have had the space to drive. Max was purposefully moving while breaking. It was not normal to do so. He was desperate to keep the position at all costs. I feel that's not fair racing. I mean, the championship is not even close, Max is leading by a long way and still he dose things like this. It is fair to support Aldas in this video. I do not see any bias.
the only driver who can race max verstappen is charles leclerc.
Milking the hate and frustration of the british bots..
This is just hard Racing, we don't want drivers to open a door for a other driver. Than we will have a ''boring'' race and than people will cry about that. People always have something to cry about. Let please not go to the same situation as in football, that after a small Touch between footballers people go crying.
acting lessons for all the drivers... Lets go!!
Yes i genuinely think football players take acting lessons.
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Max is classic, like Schumacher and Senna before him, in placing the driver he's fighting with in a situation where they can choose to crash into him or back off. He gave Lando the choice, Lando chose to hold station instead of drifting a bit wider onto the curb, and the collision happened. The penalty to Max was a little silly, but anyone can understand it. Lando should've made an easy and decisive overtake with such a faster car. The fact that he couldn't, instead choosing desperate dive bombs and complaining on the radio, speaks more to his immaturity as a driver fighting at the front than to Max's aggression.
Well said
Who cares? Every great championship caliber, and multi championship caliber racing driver in history, and not just in F1, has the attitude of win or crash. Perfect example is Senna. Everyone looks back at his career with rose tinted glasses, just because he passed away, but he was hands down the most aggressive driver in F1 history, who was involved in way more incidents then Verstappen at this point. It's part of what makes an elite, all time great driver in the first place. And if guys like Lando, or Charles don't figure it out, then they will be extremely lucky to ever win even one. F1 fans are so soft, and don't know what they really want. You cry out one side of your mouth about wanting more hard racing, and passing, and rivalries, yet when you get it, out the other side you start crying about rules and penalties and all this nonsense. Contrary to popular beliefs, these drivers in fact aren't perfect, or inhumane cyborgs. This sport is extremely fast, with extreme tolerances, and takes reaction runes that sometimes just aren't possible by humans, so during hard raging, contact will sometimes happen ...it's just inevitable.
If no one cared then there would be no content to provide, and no content for us viewers to watch either
Pro yapper
If Fangio or Clark had the win or crash mentality they would have been killed in their first year, or probably more likely before they even got the chance to race in F1. Modern safety standards are absolutely fantastic don't get me wrong, but big accidents can still happen, and one of these days a driver is gonna end up being at fault for a career ending injury or even fatality because he just didn't back out.
Before Senna came along and just completely threw safety out of the window, drivers were always concious that accidents and injuries could happen. An example is Prost. Before Pironi had his career ending crash, Prost was a very aggresive driver with a win or crash mentality. But because he was now aware of the dangers he decided to become 'le professeur' that we all know and love today. But Senna set this precedent and has been followed by Schumacher, Hamilton and now Verstappen.
U should stop watching f1 and Motorsports all together if u feel this justifies driving moronic, max didnt win championships because of his retarded behavior when battling wheel to wheel with ppl, Michael Massi gave him his first and the redbull was too good for the last two seasons. Max is not a once in a lifetime talent ppl behave like he is yes he is very good but it’s not just him, lando Lewis Charles sainz and Alonso can all beat max in equal machinery
@@Doggof2p You are just sying pro yapper because you know he is right
One thing we also aren't talking about is the limited use of that curb in T3 braking zone throughout the weekend. I'm only guessing here, but I imagine it has been rebuilt and lacks the grip it has had in the comparison clips. Lando wants to sit on the rubber.
Really. One race and Max is now back to his old self. What is it with this F1 media?? ONE RACE!!
I thought mistakes happen in F1 even for the best drivers. It doesnt all of a sudden diminish their accomplishments. It doesn't warrant the Max disrespect as though Lando is now the perfect driver. Clearly both drivers were aggressive and that made the race interesting and superb.
This just makes me love Max even more.
Netflix can smell a new episode
Under breaking is a very loose term and i only realized because of this race.
The driver NOT under drs has a much smaller "breaking zone" than the other driver.
I don't personally get how its ok for the 2 shoves where a sausage kerb is and not ok where there isn't a sausage kerb. Both Max 2019 and Lando 2024 were over the limit imo. Also the whole "self preservation bit", you need that in racing. If Lando wants to win more or actually contend for a championship. He needs to realize P2 is better than a DNF. He would've had 5 seconds added anyway so it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
It just took one challenge. He's the common denominator.
The brits are at war with max again lmao. I love it😅
I'm not sure how can someone compare this to Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain. In Spain, 50% of Max's car was on the grass, in Austria 0% of Lando's car was on the grass.
all of the champions are the same, look at his Lewis in his early years, and then people said Lewis is such a clean driver, its easy to be a clean driver when your car is faster, you can let people past and overtake them the next lap winning the race by 20 seconds regardless, same goes for Max, granted Lewis isnt as aggressive as Max so its less. however over the last couple of years, we've seen Lewis in multiple situations where as max has been 'clean' This year the pressure is back on so its back to aggression, he knew if Lando got by, it was race over. Also Max was probably given death threats over his reckless divebombs and yet Lando was basically praised by sky sports for it ? In my opinion nothing is gonna change, Alonso, Lewis, Max, Senna all of them would probably choose to crash rather than giving up p1 and Norris is realizing it too so we just need to shut up and let them race
Already knew this was bs as soon as the british accent started.
The British GP sprint in 21 also directly led to an incident in actual race as well.
And a poor Red Bull pit stop also led to a collision at Monza.
2024 is slow close in terms of time differences in qualifying amoung teams. Now imagine 2025, with Lewis in Ferrari, I cannot wait.
The very same mindset that makes Max Verstappen a villain is also what made him a 3x world champion whilst you might disagree with his actions there's no doubting that his competitive spirit and will to win has helped get him to where he is in the sport's history.
I feel like this is not a new attribute of Max, it is simply being observed and analyzed to this extent for the first time. Everyone knew and analyzed the 2021 season, yes. But afterwards every pundit, every viewer said he got mature. While it may be ingenious to say that he hast matured at all, I do think that that observation was sort of a ‘character development’ that was forced on him as a result of both him not having to go wheel to wheel as much and the lack of storylines that came along with that fact relating to him. I personally do believe that he never changed considerably in the first place. Las Vegas turn 1 being an example of that. Nothing to lose, yet fully pushing Charles off. People just brushed it off and forgot it. It may not have bothered drivers like Norris and/or the fans during the 2021 season as everyone wanted a new winner and champion, but now those people that also root for Norris can finally experience what that driving style has as an impact on the race and the competition objectively. That said, this is great action for Formula 1, and I do hope that we get more wheel-to-wheel action like this!
I just reject the implicit condemnation of his initial actions by calling it "maturing".
As if it was behavior that needed changing.
As a pro athlete in a top sport you really should use everything that is allowed (or can get away with) to win.
exactly i was furious after that turn 1 incident in vegas but at that point i was amazed to see how people brushed it aside because the protagonaist was our usual max verstappen. i feel pity for leclerc knowing that he is a talent that can give max hard time but still not having the resources to prove himself
exactly i was furious after that turn 1 incident in vegas but at that point i was amazed to see how people brushed it aside because the protagonaist was our usual max verstappen. i feel pity for leclerc knowing that he is a talent that can give max hard time but still not having the resources to prove himself
I do not agree. You made a whole video talking about the sloppy driving Norris had at Austria, how he was not compliant and by not moving and basically provoked the crash and at the end the statement is “Max is the one guilty here”. I think this will set a bad precedent once again, they are basically telling everyone now to go crash Max Verstappen, for the sake of the show, and you wont be penalized, just because he (Max) has a “fame” of being (?) dirty (?). This is the same scenario as Alonso-Russel incident on Australia. Certain drivers cannot try different things, while others can
Norris started the fist fight on Sunday. And i am glad Max was not having any of it.
Literally no one but max cultists think he was in the right.
The sunday in Spain it began. Verstappen already avoided collisions with Norris multiple times these last races. Yet Norris refuses to move one inch to avoid any contact. This is a racing incident that that could've and should've been avoided. But the drivers, teams, and Fia will hopefully learn from this. Otherwise it will hurt them in the long run (finances, upgrades, personal relations, team dynamic, image, etc).
Max was at fault for the incident but Lando did lose his head in the situation. You could tell he was getting frustrated by that move he did where he dived up the inside and went of track which showed desperation to pass Max. Max will always fight hard so Lando will learn from this and do something diffrent next time he fights him.
Max did not veer left as you claimed, please watch the onboards again, his steering wheel was straight at that point. The track does have a slight curvature to the left at that point before shifting to the right, which explains what happened. That being said, Max is technically in breach of FIA regulations that favour the driver on the outside by requiring the inside driver to be extra accomodative to the outside driver and leave them a very comfortable amount of space which Max technically did not at the moment of the crash as the slight drift would leave Lando barely enough space assuming he actually properly reacted to it instead of what actually happened. Thus his penalty application was appropriate. The thing about great drivers is that they will study regulations very closely, and play the game on the margins that is technically okay, but perhaps against the spirit of the regulations. Had the crash not happened, Max would technically be compliant with the rules, even though conceptually he bullied the guy behind by not cooperating and offering them a free chance to attack without outskilling Max through that corner.
The FIA has a very tough time policing such things as they run the risk of inconsistency when they attempt to take the spirit of the regulations into consideration, and that usually exposes them for taking the consequences into consideration more than the action. Case in point, Max has been pulling this stunt off multiple times already in the previous laps with no violations or warning for it, but suddenly it becomes a problem when Lando crashes into him after he lost focus and became increasingly desparate to overtake. It doesnt help that hes inching to the outside with DRS enabled, thus his speed is alot faster than he can handle while he's increasingly losing his calm and focus as the laps go by. The penalty is deserved of course, but lets be real had there not been the crash, the FIA wouldnt have penalised it, as they did not the multiple times this scenario played out in previous laps. Fans are also a funny thing, so many people came out the woodwork to stone Max and declare him a bully this time, yet they cheer Magnussen for doing the same things but actually botching things even more than Max did. 2 drivers cut from the same cloth in terms of racing mentality, yet much more people are unhappy with the more significantly skilled driver that uses his skills to take initimidation to brinksmanship level while the significantly less skilled driver that quite often literally fails at their execution and actually breaches regulations is somewhat celebrated for making racing "interesting" in a domination era.
We dont really need to debate who is technically right or wrong since the penalty is already issued and the matters closed, but we should also think about what we want to see from racing in general, whether we want to see highly skilled overtakes with strong wheel to wheel action that sometimes people label as unfair or aggressive, or gentlemanly racing where basically whoever gets DRS should be allowed a free and easy overtake from the guy at the front, because what we prefer will ultimately shape the regulations of the future and how F1 driving looks like next time. The FIA evidently is a little confused and conflicted about it themselves, as evident in their creeping inconsistencies in rulings this year.
If Norris fans are happy with his racing in the faster car on better tyres then so be it. Hamilton needed to manipulate the engine rules for extra 35HP to be able to beat Max in 2021. Since then Hamilton has had a dozen collisions.
Lando didnt leave anything. He lunged and got a crap exit. Max passed him easily with no DRS.
Guess you have never heard of braking in a straight line on a slightly angled trajectory....its very common in racing.
Indeed, breaking in a straight line does not mean that line has to be parallel to the track.
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Peter Windsors analysis is a must watch.
British driver protection at its finest
Old head on young shoulders Aldas. That's a very good summary from a different perspective to nearly all the pundits. Risk/reward comes into play. Max plays the game Senna and Scumacher played - you back away or we crash. They didn't sufficiently punish Senna so Scumacher learned the lesson. We have had a short break then Max arrived young and fresh at a top team. Horner defends the morally indefensible - Baku 2018 collision, "both to blame" The lessons - zero consequence. Has Lando made a conscious decision about not backing down?