I really like your videos because you have a passion for learning. There’s so much to discuss about this first part. I will address the question about the ability to self analyze - in Lacanian that would be a no, because the unconscious, which has the shape of a möbius strip, is a construction between analysand and analyst. At it’s core, Lacanian psychoanalysis is relational, from the mirror stage, the Other as language, the möbius, inmixing of otherness, demand and even desire because desire is always desire from and of the other.
I will respond to other parts of the video when I have time. Because it would be fun for me to set some of these concepts in writing and maybe also to generate dialogue with you and others.
Brilliant! Although I didn’t know of the Lacanian reasons as to why self-analysis would be impossible, I had a hunch from what I’ve read and my personal experience with analysis. The relationship between the analyst and analysand is crucial and I can’t think of a way in which analysis could ever occur if the discourse between the two doesn’t exist. I’d love for you to keep going if you want and if you are able to provide references (especially on the shape of the unconscious being that of a Möbius strip).
@@LacanofWorms well, for you it’s a little bit different because you are already in analysis and in transference with an analyst, your analysis doesn’t stop when you leave the session.
@@LacanofWorms previously the unconscious was thought to be a sort of iceberg “inside” the individual just waiting to be discovered by the analyst making the unconscious conscious. Through the model of the möbius strip, Lacan eliminates the inside/outside dichotomy. The unconscious, structured as a language, does not reside inside the person, it’s something that happens in relationship or inmixion of the Other through “languaging”.
Been in lacanian analysis for over a year and a half now. Very difficult process, yet, the shifts within the psyche have radical effects, at least for me.
I'm in analysis remotely in Ohio outside of any context of school or a study group, just a friend that is also interested. I'm pretty starved for places to compare notes. I really like my analyst but if she wanted to mess me up she absolutely could and in situations like that if ppl (analysands) aren't talking you run into all the problems that grow out of systems like that. Privacy + Power is the method in a way but also the most dangerous situation you can be in.
For the part you were talking about that you feel like you don’t have to tell everything to your analyst, question here is may be about why these thoughts that I am so resistant to express tickle me so much that they want to come out in front of my analyst? What do I fantasize to see in my analyst’s eyes, what kind of reaction? Today my session was about it and I remembered that I did things that would make my parents uncomfortable and that they didn't want me to do exactly when they could catch me
Brilliant question. When the patient has reached a point of discomfort, the Lacanian analyst - as opposed to a traditional analyst - does not offer immediate interpretation but encourages the patient to “go on”, “continue” to “say more”. The patient in some sense, has the responsibility of interpreting their own speech through the unraveling of their signifying chain. The role of the analyst is simply to bring the patient to this space.
@@LacanofWorms I see. Thanks for answering. I imagine Lacanian psychoanalysis to be extremely frustrating! I am training in the Kleinian framework which is more common in the UK where one of the main interventions is interpretation of transference.
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I really like your videos because you have a passion for learning. There’s so much to discuss about this first part. I will address the question about the ability to self analyze - in Lacanian that would be a no, because the unconscious, which has the shape of a möbius strip, is a construction between analysand and analyst. At it’s core, Lacanian psychoanalysis is relational, from the mirror stage, the Other as language, the möbius, inmixing of otherness, demand and even desire because desire is always desire from and of the other.
I will respond to other parts of the video when I have time. Because it would be fun for me to set some of these concepts in writing and maybe also to generate dialogue with you and others.
Brilliant! Although I didn’t know of the Lacanian reasons as to why self-analysis would be impossible, I had a hunch from what I’ve read and my personal experience with analysis. The relationship between the analyst and analysand is crucial and I can’t think of a way in which analysis could ever occur if the discourse between the two doesn’t exist.
I’d love for you to keep going if you want and if you are able to provide references (especially on the shape of the unconscious being that of a Möbius strip).
@@LacanofWorms well, for you it’s a little bit different because you are already in analysis and in transference with an analyst, your analysis doesn’t stop when you leave the session.
@@LacanofWorms previously the unconscious was thought to be a sort of iceberg “inside” the individual just waiting to be discovered by the analyst making the unconscious conscious. Through the model of the möbius strip, Lacan eliminates the inside/outside dichotomy. The unconscious, structured as a language, does not reside inside the person, it’s something that happens in relationship or inmixion of the Other through “languaging”.
Fascinating discourse!
Greetings from a fellow Lacanian!
Been in lacanian analysis for over a year and a half now.
Very difficult process, yet, the shifts within the psyche have radical effects, at least for me.
I'm in analysis remotely in Ohio outside of any context of school or a study group, just a friend that is also interested. I'm pretty starved for places to compare notes. I really like my analyst but if she wanted to mess me up she absolutely could and in situations like that if ppl (analysands) aren't talking you run into all the problems that grow out of systems like that. Privacy + Power is the method in a way but also the most dangerous situation you can be in.
Great ending btw
For the part you were talking about that you feel like you don’t have to tell everything to your analyst, question here is may be about why these thoughts that I am so resistant to express tickle me so much that they want to come out in front of my analyst? What do I fantasize to see in my analyst’s eyes, what kind of reaction? Today my session was about it and I remembered that I did things that would make my parents uncomfortable and that they didn't want me to do exactly when they could catch me
Brilliant! I think you’ve answered your own question!
Don't steal this idea but there isn't even rudimentary tooling on the web to support the actual work of lacanian analysis
That’s a very good idea! 📝📝
does a Lacanian analyst not provide interpretations?
Brilliant question. When the patient has reached a point of discomfort, the Lacanian analyst - as opposed to a traditional analyst - does not offer immediate interpretation but encourages the patient to “go on”, “continue” to “say more”. The patient in some sense, has the responsibility of interpreting their own speech through the unraveling of their signifying chain. The role of the analyst is simply to bring the patient to this space.
@@LacanofWorms I see. Thanks for answering. I imagine Lacanian psychoanalysis to be extremely frustrating! I am training in the Kleinian framework which is more common in the UK where one of the main interventions is interpretation of transference.