Tartessos: A Celtic Kingdom in Iron Age Spain?
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- With Tartessian tentatively identified as Celtic, and at the very least Indo-European, this might this change our view of the ancient Celts.
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I think the theory that Tartessos was the inspiration for Atlantis was true, ground penetrating radar shows the cities likely ruins underneath the river delta that was once a shallow bay and that it was shaped like Homer described and they believe the city was destroyed by a quake and tidal wave. It is located beyond the pillars of Heracles as described, perhaps the ancient Greeks thought the Iberian peninsula was a massive island.
Why does it have to be an inspiration and not a civilization built by the survivors of Atlantis? I find it interesting that the Wikipedia page on Atlantis is locked and every documentary I have watched on Atlantis either goes out of it's way to convince me that Atlantis was a just a myth and Plato wasn't anyone to take seriously or they search for it everywhere but where Plato said it was located.. the *Atlantic* Ocean...
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It’s been made clear from archaeology that tartessos and the people associated were and remained well known as dominant people in Iberia for hundreds of years. Definitely not some “Atlantis” type of place to the Greek mind. Greek colonies existed in areas ruled by tartesians and Greeks and Phoenicians traded with them for centuries. No massive collapse occurred that would make them forgotten in an Atlantean way.
In the main Spanish city of that area, called Huelva, and in its proximity, numerous Indo-European-type burial mounds (tumulum) were found, with a single dead person inside something similar to a small wooden house, surrounded by valuables such as bronze swords, mirrors of hand, chariots, skeletons of horses, etc. It is also known from numerous engraved stelae that they wore helmets "with two horns" on their heads (see "Estelas tartesicas"). This indicates that their culture was Indo-European. Probably these Indo-Europeans had arrived by sea. Tartessos possibly disappeared abruptly around 600 BC, most likely due to a tidal wave (originated in the Canaries?) The similarities with Atlantis are remarkable: perhaps it was the same town. It would be very interesting to do a haplogroup analysis if new burial mounds with skeletons are found. Unfortunately, the burial mounds are in the city, so some were destroyed and furthermore, new excavations cannot be made.
In reality, in the Tartessos area (assuming that it is the area around the current city of Huelva, the valley of the Guadiana River and the area of large copper deposits of the Tinto River / Rio Tinto) two types of funerary remains were found: Indo-European type funerary mounds (tumulus) : small artificial hills with a wooden hut inside in which there was a single individual, often with a chariot of 4 wheels, bronze swords, hand mirrors, some horses, etc.) and "urn field" type burials had been made over them: a ceramic container with burned skeletal remains inside, which perhaps were from the same human group or perhaps another. About 1920 the "bay of Huelva" (Ria de Huelva) was dredged and a large number of bronze swords were found (more than 300), which have been assumed to be Phoenician or Greek, when in fact they clearly belong to the "Atlantic bronze" , which were allegedly transported by a shipwreck, see data on Wikipedia in Spanish, erroneous since it almost childishly states that they are "Phoenicians" and "Greeks." Later, more bronze swords have been found in that area. es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dep%C3%B3sito_de_la_r%C3%ADa_de_Huelva
Νήσος Island in Greek = Island , peninsula , cost and land area in contact with springs lake or river.The Sais priest that talked to Solon the year was one month , that makes the time period of Atlantis 1328BC . By size it meant military power , it had greater military power than Asia and Lybia combined.
Nope. Tartessos and Celts were in contact as they traded. Thus, they probably exchanged some words and perhaps even certain cultural aspects, but that's all about it.
the toponymy, the place names, of the southwestern part of the coast of Iberia was clearly "Celtic", with populations with the word "briga" included (a variety of Celtic language related to the current Gaelic). The ancient Greco-Roman geographers also placed the "Celtici" in that area, the southwest of the Iberian Peninsula. What is now considered a "Tartesian" culture is actually a culture brought by the Phoenicians and others who came to that area possibly to obtain copper (there were huge deposits of copper) and silver, but the culture of the indigenous people was clearly Indo-European.
Please, enlighten us with facts and not with your theories after smoking grass.
The trade between Tartessos and the Celts of the European Atlantic coast is totally logical: in Tartessos (current province of Huelva, possibly devastated by a tsunami around the year 800 BC or 600 BC, possibly the mythical Atlantics) there were (and still some quantity) enormous amount of copper and silver deposits, even in metallic state, (it is the origin of the Rio Tinto mining company). Therefore, there would be maritime metal trafficking (in the "ria" or bay of Huelva, a large quantity of bronze swords and other similar bronze objects were found about 100 years ago, when dredging that bay). Likewise, there are numerous "funerary mounds" (tumulus) of "Indo-European" type (artificial mountain with a single individual buried inside what looks like a wooden hut or a four-wheeled cart, or the cart is an addition, ancient toponymy, from when the ancient Greeks, seemed related to the language Gaelic.The ancient Greco-Roman geographers located in the area of Huelva a people they called "Celtici" (see Wikipedia)The Tartessians left a script still untranslated, which according to some scholars, seems to contain words of a Gaelic or Indo-European type.
The carthaginians are also responsible for the end of the Tartessian Civilization. The successors of the Tartessians were the Turdetani which endured some centuries until the punic wars
The Tartessos had contact with the Celtiberians, and Celtiberia being the origin of the Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Manx, Breton and Cornish, t It makes sense that the runes of the Celts of the British Isles are related to the Tartessian writing system.
Evidence shows direct genetic similarity also. Irish are blood brothers of the basque, the basque are most related to Sardinians, and Sardinians to ancient Phenoecians/Israeli. I believe some bloodlines may be direct descendants of Israel.
I’ve studied the welsh language most of my life and found that the similarity to ancient Phoenician is absolute. It seems to be the least evolved Celtic branch as I’ve found it to have the most similarity to Phoenician out of the 4 main Celtic languages. Even linguistically Hebrew has an undeniable resemblance to the Celtic languages. It’s an incredible phenomenon, which displays an extraordinary origin for the people that we refer to as ‘Celts’ in modern day.
To add further, the Celtiberian Gallaeci (authentic pronunciation: Gallaic) is quite close to Gael/Gaelic, the round houses found in northern Iberia and the british isles are another claim.
Tacitus mentionned that the Silures tribes looked closely like Spaniards.
There is also the hypothesis, which gains more ground, that the Celts would had originated from the West Atlantic Coast and not in austria, hallstaat.
For more interest ms in 2 extinct Celtiberian languages (Galeiga and Kantabriagu) type on Google: conlang Galeiga or Kantabriagu
Hope these linguistic fans reconstruct other Celtic languages
Lol, get some better references dude, Basque are genetically and linguistically easily differentiate from any R1 European and so are the Semitic tribes. The P.I.E languages had a lasting effect throughout northern Asia, India, the middle east and the majority of Europe from the copper through the bronze age collapse and the iron age into the modern interesting times. All this before Abraham was born to and entirely different bloodline! The genes don't know how to lie!
Is it me or does the “Tartessian” sound very similar to Tartan…& being Celtic, who’s to say the word tartan didn’t originate from them?
Hmmm…Just something to think about. 🤔🤷🏻♂️😉
@@Elijahdescendedthe problem with your theory, although it is creative and cool to consider, is that you’re trying to using language as hard evidence for directly linking multiple very different cultures thousands of miles apart from one another. What you need to look at is genetics (haplogroups and DNA), because that is HARD evidence. If you take any native Irish person and compare their DNA to a Jew or a basque you will see that they are very different. There may be some small percentage of shared ancestry but you must take into account that Indo Europeans expanded so vastly and rapidly that even some populations as far as china can be found to hold Indo European ancestry. Language is not a trustworthy tool to use when trying to determine genetic similarity between populations.
Could you make a video about the peoples of the Iberian Peninsula? I'm Portuguese so I'm interested on your research and thoughts specifically in the Lusitanians, although I'm from the north of Portugal and know that it used to be the Galician kingdom. I already seen the video The Celtic Circle, but is it possible to know more about the other Celtic symbols? What is believed to be their meaning, which are of Indo-European origins, and which are originally Celt, for example, if the triskele is one of the main symbols of the Lusitanians.
It is better to think of the symbol as belonging to the general Indo-European sphere. It is used by the Greeks and others as well.
I had no idea that it was used by the Greeks too.
I know the symbol is Indo-European, it's just that when I research Lusitanian symbols it comes up a flag that is similar to the portuguese flag and has a triskele in the middle. I don't know the origin of this flag, but either way, if the flag is "recent", did they chose the triskele for being one of the predominant or one of the symbols, found in archeology?
@@JosePereira-qk8px Portugal, Galicia, Asturias and Leon once were a united kingdom before roman invasion and conquest. A kingdom created by gaulish people who migrated from early or actual iron age central Europe (Bohemia, Austria, Hungary, Switzerland, South Germany) to northwest Iberia, France and British isles.
The roman empire and the vatican divided the gaulish tribes in Iberia and they are responsible of why people don't speak galician language in Portugal, Asturias and Leon provinces. The reason why people from Galicia feels so comfortable and like the same race with their neighbours from mid and northern Portugal, Asturias and Leon provinces is because they are decendants of the same gaulish tribe of people.
Actually the gaulish tribes in Europe never called themselves "Celts", they called themselves: GAL, Gauls, Galek, Galegos, Gaels and Anglos in Great Britain (An-Galos: the prefix "an" meaning "Gallic men" or "Gauls from god or from heaven", because prefix "an" can be traduced heaven, god or man), and so on.
Even today exists the name "Galitzie" for a "kingdom" that existed in central Europe (Bohemia, Austria and Hungary) prior to the "new world era", at least the official academy recognizes that. Gaulish elite rich tribes colonized Britain and northwest Iberia probably prior to iron age introducing their GENES, material culture, religion and languages. Later on internal migrations on Iberian peninsula, mixing with local populations (bell beaker natives), war against other tribes and MENA empires, religious conversions and erasing and rewriting of history in Iberia caused gaulish DNA becoming more dilute over time and making things difficult to trace them. But there are still gaulish DNA from iron age central Europe in northern Portugal and Galicia and British isles i'm sure of this.
Waves of Galitzie or Gaulish elite people (wrongly called "celts") from central Europe entered Britain and northwest Iberia via land from ancient Gaul (France). But also they entered those regions via maritime routes too, specially in west and north parts of Iberia. In northern Italy (northern Italy was ruled by gaulish "celts" over a period of time) in Genoa city are still some old ships in the old harbour that clearly resemble the stylish of the Gaulish "celtic" ships and navy fleets. Even there is a ship called "GALleon" that resembles very well the type and design of Portuguese and British shipbuilding.
That's because those ships (GALeon) were built by the descendants of the same common ancestor and race of people that colonized separately in independent tribes British isles and Iberia (PortuGAL + GALicia + Asturias + Leon, who all once were one united kingdom named GALitzia with capital named "Oportugal" in actual Porto city, PortuGAL) in the iron age. And that is the reason why the two major naval powers in the west world were Portugal and Britain. Both with similar but not identical naval culture, structural design and procedures
@@FortressofLugh I'm wondering if you have a video on the Triskelion as well as the Gorgon Medusa? I went to Sicily 2 years ago & was fascinated that it was seen everywhere, incorporating the head of Medusa into it.
& also ceramic Medusa heads EVERYWHERE.
They aren't celtic. They were iberian. If they were celtic their script should be similar to Ancient Celtic script in Briton and Ireland. Iberians could have borrowed words from Celts and Celts could have borrowed from Iberians. Everything else shows a stronger connection with greeks, Anatolia and Phoenicians
Maybe but the place names and the regions were Celtic, maybe a bigger spread of Celtiberian culture
While I agree that Tartessians aren't Celtic - writing scripts are not genetic and are not tied to any ethnic group. The Celts borrowed whatever writing script their neighbours were using - Etruscan, Greek & Iberian scripts were used by different Celtic peoples at different times before the rise of Rome. Even Romans wrote in different scripts - East Romans wrote in Greek instead of Latin, not all Slavs use Cyrillic etc..
@@disapearingboi Very interesting I didn't know that at all
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Yup - the Celts had already dispersed/diversified before the development of writing reached them. I've never seen any other ethnic grouping discredited on the basis of having different scripts except the Celts.
Those concentric circles in 4:11 can be found in various depictions from the bronze age in southern Spain. Some say is a representation of Atlantis
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No. These are leather shields, also known from excavations.
Interesting video. While it may well be that Tartessos was a Celtic polity, or at least a polity with a Celtic upper class on account of the name or title of their ruler, it is unlikely that the language written in thet so-called Southwestern Iberian script would have been Celtic, or at least any Celtic similar to Callaecian or Celtiberian. I will elaborate:
As you can see, the Southwest Iberian script is a script which is derived from an alphabet, but it throws away many phonetic distinctions made in the prior alphabet: particularly, it represents but a single series of stops (thus no t/d or k/g distinction), and it does not seem to allow a stop to be followed by a consonant, as Callaecian -BRIS in VESUCLOTI or BLANIOBRENSI or ARQVIENOBO. Why would Celtic speakers take a writing system and make it more difficult for them to write their own language in it?
Also, the Southwestern script has two typological cousins in the Southeastern and Northeastern Iberian Scripts. The Southeastern script seems to have many similar letters, but omits the vowel letters after the plosives, transforming from a redundant alphabet to a true semisyllabary, while the Northeastern seems to be closer to the Southeastern while reintroducing the distinction of a second series of stops for the T/D and the K/G series, but not for the B one; later the distinction was lost again. In both these scripts, the surviving corpus seems to be written in the non-Indo-European Iberian language, which might be a reasonably distant relation to proto-Basque ("Aquitanian").
Naturally, the problem here is not that the stelae prove that Tartessos was not Celtic, but rather the simplest inference was that the stelae are *not* Tartessic in origin, being that they were mostly found in the territory of the Cempsi and the Cynetes. As for the Cynetes having a name that is analysed as Celtic, it may not be an endonym (as the Welsh can attest, it does happen that peoples become known by a name which is attributed to them by others).
You should take this up with those who make their professional careers studying this. I just summarised Koch's arguments mostly, but there are various others who agree.
It’s funny. I spent so much of my life interacting with Iberians (both from Europe and their diaspora in the Americas) that I would jokingly distinguish these individuals with stereotypes.
For example, the shrewd merchant types I would refer to as ‘Punics’; the lively, artist Euro-Mediterranean types I’d call ‘Romans’; the rural types-often coming from backgrounds that trace to the highland regions around the North Atlantic coasts (generally more Celtic/Germanic/Ancient Mediterranean/Vasconic-or some mix thereof in terms of physical appearance) were the ‘Celtiberians’; the exceptional Norse-looking ones (very often more stoic or professional in demeanor) were the ‘Hispano-Goths’; and every individual I found to be insufferable or an odd interloper was automatically a ‘Morisco’ lol. (I’d also occasionally designate someone to be a ‘Basque’ if they had uncooperative, unreasonable or duplicitous tendencies.)
All crass/biased stereotypes but I likely rooted in some small measure of truth :D
LOLOL uh "racist" but yes, quite an astute observation.
All i could read was autism
"ancient Mediterranean"
whatever that means lmao
Love the content, brother 🤜🏻🤛🏻
The name of that king reminded me of King Nuada Airgetlám.
Yes I noticed that as well
Very interesting. In relation to the origin of writing, it is interesting to take a look at what the epigrapher Georgeos Diaz-Montexano says, linking symbols of cave paintings (so far undeciphered) as the oldest precedent of writing and the origin of the Phoenician alphabet, because its spellings are present long before in this peninsular cave art. (source: The writing was born in West: essay on Paleolithic Linear Writing)
Our alphabet comes from the Alvao scripts, not Phoenician. Older too, by thousands of years.
2:20 Those are lovely artifacts. True craftsmanship right there.
The ancient Greco-Roman geographers located the "Celtici" in the southwest of the Iberian Peninsula, which the Greeks and Romans possibly detected by the language they spoke (it must be taken into account that in that area there were huge copper deposits).
Maybe its in Iberia that the word *Keltoi* was first recorded, by the Celtici tribe
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 What I have read, and I believe it is true, is that Keltoi was the name given by the ancient Greeks who had settled in what is now Marseille (around 500 BC) to the indigenous people who lived north of Marseille and that it meant " the tall ones". The Romans took that name and applied it to other peoples, although modified, although it is not known why, perhaps because of the language. There is some information, uncertain, that the language of the Celtici of Iberia was related to the Gaelic of Ireland, perhaps they descended from Gaels who had visited the area looking for copper or silver, in the Atlantic Bronze Age. The coastal area of southwestern Iberia was very abundant in enormous deposits of copper and silver.
@@josealbert4596 yup, but it makes more sense that the ones who settled in Hibernia (Ireland) were the Gallaeci (Gallaic) which is really similar to Gael, but its not impossible that the Celtici were also around that migration, after all people traveled long distances, like some Iberians went to the Balearic islands or even Sardinia and made the Tayalotic and Nuragic cultures respetively but im getting out of the subject
La tribu " Celtici " estaba ubicada en sudoeste penínsular atlántico.
It´s nothing personal, but our round stone houses are contemporary - at a certain point - with the Atlantic Megalithic Culture which starts at 6000-5000 bc in Portugal. That is why in most cases there is a megalith or more in the surroundings of a setllement. You are talking 700 bc, get your dates right! The oldest setllements in Portugal are, at least, AT LEAST, 3500 years old!! And that is roughly 1500 bc!!!!! First they were made of wood and then stone!! Always round houses!! And before the stone circles there were the wood circles (woodhenges). Check this one out :"Complexo Arquelogico da Herdade dos Perdigoes".
The map of the metal trade highlights my families homeland! KERNOW BYS VYKEN!
Thank you for providing Celtic info I haven't found!
Apparently there was a link between the Swords of Mycenaeans, the Wietenburg Culture, Helversum the Wessex Culture and Ireland. Could it be that Proto-Celts searched for a migration route via the Seas to connect with Mycenaeans ? There was after all an Isles trade connection to Germany and Denmark very early on.
As far as I know there is still no significant evidence of Genetic change in Ireland from the Early Bell Beaker period till the Norse period. Even in France there was no significant genetic changes up until the Romans arrived.
So maybe Celtic is much older than most think and Tartessos was a Celtic Colony rather than the origin of Celts.
The Celts originated in the upper Danube river during 1400 B.C.
It would be badass if they were even older
@J. Smith actually it'a called quoting BBC
The Urnfield Cultures are the earliest known Celtic-speaking people and were existent in the Upper Danube.
The Celts are not necessarily an ethnicity. It is simply a Language and associated culture transmitted thru that language.
@@davidrafferty2491 The Celts were an ethnicity that developed from the Urnfield culture on the upper Danube, who themselves were called Proto-Celts after breaking from the Scythian Italo-Celts.
When we see people of the 1800s in Britain riding horses and people riding motor vehicled in Britain today do you think they speak/spoke the same Language ? Both are within the same Language family but their Culture changed drastically. I think this is what we see happened in Northwestern Europe. Adoptions of new ideas but with no extreme linguistic changes from the Bell Beaker period up until the Romans arrived.
Hi Mr Raging Celt this has been my favorite show for ages John Koch is Canadian but Works in the strongest (culturally) Celtic nation Wales he is not used enough on our BBC television but makes a lot of points that do seem obvious to anyone , who is interested , who has lived in Western Britain all their lives like myself .Of course the trade and travel came from Western Europe and distinctively went on into the ,so say , dark ages as written by Gildas. Really happy your channel still going good luck comrade
Outstanding! I'd love to hear more about tartessos and the possibility it was a Celtic civilization
It was. Ruler was a queen. Wanna know what she looked like? Google: "Lady of Elche" Oddly enough, we actually found her jewellery. It's in this video @2.25
The original Celtic Civilization. The most ancients of us... confirmaded.
@@ancientbuilds3764 That’s just a theory. She’s also thought to be a priestess.
Maybe a celtic with strong semitic/Near east & mediterranean influences
@@ancientbuilds3764 OMG. The Lady Of Elche is a piece of iberian art. Not celt at all.
Can you do one about Switzerland?
There should be plenty of stuff
In Olalde study the people from Tartessos had less North-Central Europe DNA than people in Celtic area, then NO, probably they were not Celtics. But we cannot deny the cultural and technology exchance between Hispano-Celts and Tartessians
This was a stellar presentation! Thank you so much for putting this together.
Well, as far as we learn in Spain, Tartessos was a native Iberian kingdom, that was in contact with celts but they weren't the same
Ah yes. Tartessos. Bloody place. I have known the location of it for about 2 years now. All I can say is that the actual city is about 165 hectares in size, had impressive walls and a large harbour. It was destroyed by an EWE in about 550 BC with almost total loss of life. Good luck getting the Spanish government to admit it though. They have known about it since 1956. There is a lot more going on down there than you realize. The place has a long history of Extreme Wave Events.
What do you mean by extreme wave event?
@@douglas_fir Tidal waves.
Why would the Spanish government not admit it though?
@@someguy8732 Just have some patience. I am most definitely not gonna let that cat out of the bag. Someone else is doing that. You will know.
@@ancientbuilds3764 that doesn't help lol
I already knew about tartessos significance thanks to ipernick the great's video on them but man that far back during the late bronze age even it was around.
Listening to the speed of this narrator after listening to tides of history is a WILD change up hahaha are we drunk??
Finally a video on the celtiberians.
I will do more eventually
Celtiberians does NOT mean all Celts in Iberia.
Celtiberians were the Celtiberi culture in the central of Spain where the Celtiberian language was spoken. The Celtiberian culture is a transition and mix between Iberian cultures of the east and Celtics of west of the peninsula.
Tartessians were iberians, not celtics.
It seems strange to me, some say that it can be an isolated language with many Celtic loanwords, or a Creole language with a pre-Celtic core and vocabulary of Celtic dominance.
Its probably the Iberian peninsula equivalent to Etruscans
Do we know when P- Celtic languages separated from Q- Celtic? Bases upon the many cognates with Old Irish, one would surmise that the Tartessian language is Q- Celtic. Ie epona Gaulish vs ek- Old Irish ( horse). The latin equus( horse) suggests an early Q- Celtic/ latin connection. There are liturgical words that have come into Irish from Latin during the influence of the monastic schools, but there is a lexicon of words in Irish that are cognates with Latin that pre-date the Christianization of Ireland suggesting a much older connection that Italic had with Celtic.
BTW. Check out proto Berber script too.
🌈It would be neat to see a video about the Celtic and Illyrian Connection(I've noticed some similarities that connect the Celtic Isles not only to the Iberia Peninsula, but even as far east as the areas north of Greece)
Try "The sea!" By Xenophon of Athens (sometimes Xenophon of Sparta, where he retired). The Celts that joined his mercenary army settled in Cappadoccia (Turkey) after they walked home from the Darius campaign. It's a 2500 year old classic history saga, they based the film "The Warriors" on this story.
At 4:38 “teth” in gaelic means “hot”
So here is something you can believe or not. They have distorted the history we know by adding one letter and another way the have used is by flipping the first and last letter it is a form of cerilic text which is a form of writing in a circle or a loop. This is why the English language was created as a language to use compound words when back in the day what we know as a word having different syllables the syllable was a sign of a period meaning new word and sentence the original way they spoke back in the day was a lot more complex then they would like you to know of. Each letter represented a couple letters, image, sound and meaning. For instance we use see or sea they used C which when you say it the c, ce, se, 👁, and the water 💧 are how the different things they connected that one letter to the combination of letters would make a sentence the very first capital letter you would see is the sound you would of added to the words you seen and they would judge the words that it's why interpretations and translations are so far off. Just look at it as the people back then had a very very complex way of writing that was a big Cypher that was based on sounds. Like (the letter) they would of only wrote letter with 1 t so leter and the simple phrase the leter would of been theleter and would of been seen as they'll retell ,, this is why math was such a big deal in the past they made everything into a math problem "theleter" the ele is the flipping or point mirror point the l would both end the first word and begin the second they knew this because of the ele the 2nd e signified that part of the word needed flipped or mirrored so it would of bee the,l,eter
the,l,rete,l
As in the letter retells what the person was saying, I know sounds confusing but once you get it down it actually is a very intelligent way to think and speak where we see one word one word to them ment a entire sentence and is why most old manuscripts or codex Dont use space or punctuation to separate anything
Vert interesting. I've been thinking that this connection between the Celts, the city of Tartessos and the Mediterranean levantine peoples was likely, for trading reasons. John Koch's theory is plausible too, about a Celtic component of the Tartessians. If Tartessos is ever found (as Ilion/Troy was) more evidence of the Celtic connection will see the light.
Their writing system is Phoenician - and this itself is the key to getting this. Phoenicians are also the Canaanites of the biblical stories - but their origin story as written by the greeks is the story of the Phoenix... It literally describes a seafaring trading collective of city states which was destroyed by fire and flood and rose again from the ashes. It's a whole allegory thing. The greeks inherited the kings of the previous civilisation as their gods, and that civilisation probably pwned the med, and possibly crossed the Atlantic, they also knew how to build ships and owned the lands from Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Spain, Sardinia, Sicily, Cornwall and more. When their collapse came, they invaded other states and some they conquered. That was approx 1250 BCE, late Bronze Age deal. The thing that is quite a bit confusing is that Phoenician is Canaanite, is probably also Sea Peoples, is probably also Atlantean, and we've slapped all these stories in a blender which was post-late-bronze age collapse... writing systems collapsed, education and agriculture collapsed, whole cities were enflamed.
So, it then, stands to reason, that when talking of advanced atlantean technology, it's probably a description of bronze, and brass metallurgy, and the manufacture of glass and coloured dyes (ancient alchemy essentially). In the Bronze Age, this was advanced. There's very likely a Celtic link to all of these city state, old god-king civilisations due to the Tin mines in Britain, but they're also involved in the Iberian pyrite belt, and other mining sources around Europe. To facilitate the Bronze Age, ships were needed, and the civilisation that provided them, was these guys for sure. The question though, is who actually are they? Because there's multiple cultures, multiple ethnic groups, multiple cities which are all connected by these sea farers. We seem to have many names for them, but they don't have a name for themselves, their kings are the line of Ba'al which becomes Zeus or Poseidon in greek legend.
We can assume though, that whoever these people were, they had detailed maps... because once the Romans took Tyre, they made a beeline for Cornwall to secure the tin mines.
Phoenician is an exonym Canaanite is a endonym
One in the same peoples.
The confusion lies because people call the same group of peoples different names from different regions. Essentially “nick names” that stick over time. So in order to clear the confusion one must identify the multiple names for the same peoples that is synonymous.
Unfortunately many paid off academics and scholars keep this ongoing confusion alive so people don’t get clarity on the historical timelines and who the origins of the Sea Peoples are.
It creates challenges and discrepancies to the real origins of the Semitic Levantine peoples of our modern day.
I believe the “mysterious” Confederation of the Sea Peoples and are the remnants of Atlantis and Atlantian Colonies such as the Tartessos.
John T. Koch is pronounced John T. Cook. There are many ways of pronouncing the surname Koch.
It looked like it was a melting pot between local tribes of celts and iberians with phoenician culture, it's quite sad that the phoenician colonists destroyed that kingdom after king Argantonius support to Greek colonists in Western Mediterranean.
Tartessos was a Phoenician colony
Very interesting video. I'm Spanish myself from Extremadura, in southwest Spain, with some Portuguese roots, and it's pretty obvious that in all of Western Iberia we certainly had a very intense relationship with the British Isles and France's Atlantic coast. It's even been proven by genetics: my own Y haplogroup is R1b-L21, not so common in Iberia but actually the most common Y haplogroup in most of the British Isles, especially the Celtic territories like Ireland, Wales and Scotland and Brittany in northwestern France. And common archeological artifacts have been found in all those places above since before the bronze age (allegedly the time Celts made their entrance in Iberia)
Tartessos are iberian not celtic
The Tartessos are Tartessians, Strabo made it clear that they were different from the rest of the Iberians in language and writing
@@Clover_el_alma_amarilla other dialect but is the same alfabet
@@chinchanchou No, you can look it up, they are different. The letter E in the Iberian alphabet is represented by an H, but in the Tartessian it is represented by a circle similar to an O
The TARCHICH may have used MAKELTE writing system as these were a more populace peoples in europe. - Tarchi-Eryo
Spain as Battle Field Back then Greece Great Traveler's also there were two types Tribes of Celt's I think In Europe an Spain Right and I also think the Vandels that came to Egypt they were Celt's too Vandels Tribes came thru Spain and I think they fought with Hannibal Barca of Carthage Carthagian they also the Celtic of Spain could have been Sea People's they look like them alittle
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Acccording to the Book of Jonah, that's where the Jewish Prophet Jonah was heading to get away from preacjong to Nineveh.
Archaeologists Identify Possible Location of Lost Temple of Hercules
Experts in Spain used laser scanning technology to locate submerged ruins along the coast of the Bay of Cádiz .Ποικιλασσός Pikilassos ancient city south west Crete. Just compare Los Millares to cycladic cities of the same period ,same.
Hmm. If the Fir Bolg are based on actual Iberian celts, then what of the Tuatha De?
They are not. They are another name for giants or Fomorians.
@@FortressofLugh I saw your video on the subject, and I'm not so sure about that.
Tartesians were not celtic are more pre indoeuropean maybe more related to iberians or another indoeuropean tribe who were not related to celts in the north are the celticii who settled in extremadura and south portugal and maybe traded with the tartesians
Nadie sabe de loa tartesos, deja de decir que son de origen indoeuropeo... puede ser al revés España la mamá de todos los europeos.
@@darkgames26 no dije indo europeos eh dicho Pre Indoeuropeos anterior a estos y que no estan relacionados aunque comparten alguna plabra celta e iberica seguramente influenciados por esos pueblos esta increiblemente influenciado por los griegos y fenicios.
Someone who claims "tartessians were celts" must have some political agenda behind his discourse.
@@redl1ner170 yeah and this same people ignores the Near East influence in the coast of Portugal and Spain.
1:23 This is a Turkic runic, the Tartessians were relatives of the Etruscans, and their ancestors lived in Anatolia, Central Asia and the Ural-Volga region, that is, they were the ancestors of modern Turkic-speaking peoples. Paleo-Iberian writing was deciphered using Turkic languages
6:02 This bronze item depicts a plot from Turkic-Altai mythology about the creation of the world by two ducks and mother nature
Iam irish scottish 85% my genes peak in cannabis receptors Because my ancestors are traced to central Asia and the blacksea
Half the males In ireland carry y haplogroup for etruscan males.
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Ghe same was triue of the Troan War. Myrh has become history,/.
Were these the Milesians?
The Romans discovered the Turdetans, successors of the Tartessos, as short, somewhat dark-skinned, with slender bodies, brown eyes, and curly dark hair.
Physically they were quite different from the Celts, they are a pre-Indo-European people.
Seguramente los romanos no me vieron a mí !!! Soy sudeuropeo.
Tartessos was a foreign kingdom to the Indo-Europeans, its isolated language proves it, it does not have any type of kinship with Celtic lalanguages, Nor with other pre-Indo-European languages of the peninsula such as Iberian or Basque.
We still dont know ah this language
There are many lies in this video. Lies! There were no Celts at the time Tartessos was existing in the south of the Iberian Peninsula!
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The idea that "Celts" are from the east stems from early DNA finds in places like the pontic steppes over near Ukraine, yet I do not live in the same house I was born in, I have travelled since, as probably most of you have, some maybe in other countries. One day maybe that ancestors partner will be found and we will have a better understanding of things. The several present day branches of that ancestors family tree flourished in Ireland, tree's flourish where their roots are. Celts were always in the area around present day british isles and are still here in spite of the ages. Rome wrote what ever history it wanted.
Sounds nice, pity though.
The fact that you are referring to these people as "Greeks" in the seventh century leads me to believe that you have missed a point sir. Are you not aware that Greece was not even a country until the eighteen hundreds? Although I do realize that most would not know who you were referring to if you were to do this.
The people that you are referring to would most likely have been known as the Helenes.
Overall your material is quite good and greatly appreciated by those of us with Celtic ancestry. I myself am Scottish and Welsh and would love to see more about the Scottish Celts.
The name "Greeks" considerably predates the foundation of the present country of Greece (which is in any case called Ελλάδα by the Greeks themselves, not Γραικία). The Romans themselves knew the speakers of Greek as _Graeci_ which derives from Γραικοί _Graikoí,_ which was a term of self-identification of many Greek-speakers in Italy (particularly the citizens of Neapolis who were among thet first Greeks the Romans had contact with).
Now, I don't know whether the Greek-speaking inhabitants of Iberia like Portus Menesthoi and Emporion called themselves _Graikoi,_ _Hellenoi,_ _Danaoi,_ _Lakonioi_ _Ionioi_ or any of the several other terms they had among themselves. If they had contact with Magna Graecia at all, though, they would recognise the term "Greek" (or the term _Graecus,_ at any rate).
There is no evidence whatsoever that Tartessos was a Celtic-speaking land. The inscriptions have been examined in detail by linguists and they can find nothing Celtic about them. The language was either ancient Iberian or perhaps Berber-related.
The Tartessian king, called Arganthonios by Herodotus, has a name based on the word "silver". While Arganti can be read as Celtic, it can also be from Italic, and it seems that the Italians applied the name to Tartessian kings in reference to the mineral wealth of the region.
No, spain was and is mostly Celtic, but not the Tartessians.
The discovery of Tartessos has been one of the most important recent discoveries in Mediterranean archaeology, showing that the Tartessians were in many ways the equivalent of the Etruscans in Italy. So far they have only been known from a couple of obscure reference in Herodotos, but now archaeology is uncovering this remarkable civilisation, comparing Tartessos with the Etruscans.
Both cultures are considered to be unknown mysteries, both languages are undicifered yet based on the Phoenician alphabet, AND both belonged to the same world's trade route of their Phoenician (Canaanites) partners:
Tyre --> Tarsus --> Cartage --> Etruria --> Tartessos
Tarshish is not just a name of one place, it is a nation, a greek sub-race of people, and all that proves that the people of Tarsus-anatolia, Etruscans of Italy & Corsica, and the Tartessians of south Spain, Gibraltar are in fact one people who gave their name to all 3 places: TARSHISH
Tartessians were close to the Celts, but were not Celts. Be honest! To support your theory you quote Strabo and Avieno. But do not read the whole sentence right???? They say: The Country of the Celts is over the Pillars of Hercules (right); Their country borders Cyneticum (Todays Algarve, also right). But why don´t you quote the end of the sentence as they both said????? "They are the westernmost nation of IBERIA!", on the side of the Ocean! THE WESTERNMOST!!! The Celtic Culture comes from the Atlantic Megalithic Culture. If you put together Portugal and Galicia, the actual and present borders of today represent EXACTLY the area where Megalithic culture first started. In Brittany, France, is the richest area of France in Megaliths. Cornwall, in England, lots of big stones too, Wales (South Wales- very rich in megaliths); Ireland, very very rich in Megalithic Culture. They are all the same type of monuments, the ones in Portugal and Galicia and the ones in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornawall, Brittany and even in England! BE HONEST! If you want to quote classic authors quote the whole sentences! Don´t presume everybody is ignorant! I´m from Portugal and very proud of my ancestry. I have been there in the Celtic cities in The North of Portugal. Citania de Briteiros, citania de sanfins, citania de santa luzia, etc.etc.etc. Its more than 5000 FIVE THOUSAND celtic setllements in Portugal and Galicia, its the double of setllements if you put together all of france, Ireland and Great Britain!! OUR SYMBOL IS THE TRISKELL!! ITS CARVED IN EVERY ROCK FROM HERE TO ETERNITY!!! DON´T STRIP ME FROM MY CULTURE!! VIRIATHUS WERE DOUBLE CROSSED By 2 TARTESSIANS. ENDOVELLICUS FOREVER!! TOGOENABIAGUS!!! EPONA!!! TURIACUS!!! LUGU!!! LUSITANIA the IMMORTAL NATION!
I don't know how you portuguese write so many comments that are dripping with attention seeking sweat and not get embarrassed by it lol
@@whatofit559 Your comment is vague and it doesn't pinpoint any specific ideia that could bring value to this discussion. If it was me, yes, I would be embarassed by it, for the sake of intelectual honesty.
megalithic nothing to do with the Celts they were in chicken ass at the time
cut the crap and put your DNA there probably you are Berber , ibero , north Afrikaans Egyptian you match gidane the french from Elgar
@@robertolang9684 If I am berber or or North African or egyptian is there a problem for you there? Are you saying this as an opportunity to offend? Because if you are trying to be offensive to me is because you don't consider the people that you just quoted as good as you.... Just because they belong to a different ethnic group and not because of their personality. That fact, tells us all, intelligent people who read these posts, a lot about you and your intelectual brilliance. THANK YOU for enlighting us all. You, in fact, are a fantastic jewel of knowledge that should be preserved at all costs for the sake of mankind!!!😂😂🤣🤣😂😂
Celts/Basques=the Holy Grail.
Tartessian = PRE-indeoeuropean language. Just like euskara and iberian.
Celtic = Indoeuropean languages.
The only indeoeuropean languages in the pre-romanic Iberia were: Lusitanian and celtiberian.
This video is simply laughable.
i still speak my indoeuropean language carago puxa que partiu language can be adopted not DNA , it must have a connection local
@@robertolang9684 This video is an example of cultural appropiation, mate.
@@redl1ner170 ha ha ha English ? whatta are you talking about ? do i care about whatta English say about Iberian people ? i'm a Iberian , i know from where my origins are , Austria , Hungary , Balkans , andronovo , sintasha culture , Caucasus , Persia Iran , we are the Celtic people we are the ind European of Iberian peninsula , we arrived in Iberia peninsula , in late bronze age today we still Iberian but at the same time the real Celtic people
@@redl1ner170 To anyone that have a dna test , genoplot dodcad k12 b ancient is a good tool to tell the iberian of today from where they come from , i'm related to kallaico lusitanian , i'm not native iberian , my tribes come and arrived in iberia from the east in bronze simple as that and they were admixed with other tribes , today we plot with the romanians bulgaros , , kosovars , south french austrians switzland north italians that are the people more close to kallaico lusitanians bulgaros yes we were thracians before coming to iberia
@@robertolang9684 Oh Zuca deixa-te de apropriação cultura dos outros, fica-te pelo tuppi que a malta agradece...
LUSITANIA IS NOT SPAIN!!! Have you ever wondered why Portugal exists??? IF you like to quote classic authors why don´t you quote this: "The Lusitanians are the most numerous, the fiercest and most powerful of Iberian Tribes. They dwell in war and its no use to threaten them with war because it will only make them more happy!"
:D Beautiful!!! F$cking empirialists
very easy today to see who is from celtic origin or not , just test your dna and compare it to archaic dna of the alps austria switzeland north italy hungary , its very simple today if you match that dna , you are lusitanian ligurian gaul , luxemburg switzeland austrian ungarian of bronze age people
@@robertolang9684 There is a good book for you to read: it's called "Blood of the Isles" by Bryan Sykes, published by Oxford University Press. It's purely scientifical.
There another, by Jonh Beddoe, from 1850, that is called "The Races of Britain" (a work culturally important and selected by scholars, considered part of the knowledge base of civilization as we know it) that states exactly the same, resourcing the tools available at the time.
Cultivate yourself. Cultuvated people don't take one's ears (or eyes in this case) as toilets.
@@tiagomachado4686 i got more books about the Celts than anyone on this forum plus DNA tests too don't come lecture me with your ignorance , the Celts did not invaded Rome from England but from the lands close to it central Europe Balkans, as i said today the only people that carry the most amount of Celtic tribes DNA are the Iberian period
Nationalist tuga behaving a like a nationalist tuga. 🤡🤡
Lusitanians were NOT iberians. And Lusitania was an administrative division of Hispania.
Also Portugal ≠ Lusitania.
Andalu que ostias