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Well done! Your co-pilot was excellent, too. Very supportive, and kind natured. She deserves a good employer, so let's see what the new decade brings for her. Wishing you and the family all the very best for 2021.
It's high time chargers were programmed not to care whether you plug in before or after pressing the buttons. Or if it really matters, they should make it quite clear in the instructions. Better still, if you plug in first, it shouldn't even need to ask you which cable you are going to use. Why is so-called smart electronics incapable of spotting the obvious?
it's called user testing. not just the people who run these. They should film their mum trying to use it for the first time and find out if it's REALLY obvious what to do. Most would fail. Looks like the latest ones are a lot better!
Exactly and that is what Andrew did eventually but did not twig he had originally pressed stop by mistake which meant he was already plugged in when he pressed start for the third time.
I find myself watching this yet again and I find myself screaming at you as you keep repeating the sequence error. It's making me laugh uncontrollably though so thanks for the mirth!
Hi Andrew. You had me shouting at my TV. 😁. On the chargeplace Scotland chargers order should be scan card, connect car, press start button. You kept getting the car not detected because you hit start before connecting the car. Glad you got home OK! Love your videos!
Well done at getting this finished, been waiting since the 3am arrival!!!! Limited charging has happened to you before, so maybe a reminder somewhere when you are away from home, to ensure that setting is turned off...And a big congratulations in completing your challenge, you have been a big inspiration of me ordering the Kia ENiro 4+...Thank you
Thanks for filming all of this trip. Really informative on the charging network in UK. I'm ditching my fossil cars and going electric because of your channel and Bjorn Nyland. Great to see your channel growing. You deserve it with all the effort you put in. Hope you are fully recovered.
When you need to perform rituals three times in front of each tin box in hope for it to make the right sounds... Long way to go for the non-Tesla ecosystem :(
Fantastic video again Andrew! Really enjoyed watching 👍 I did find it funny when you pressed stop instead of start at the charge place Scotland charger. That’s the tiredness kicking in 😴🥱😂
Andrew Till/Mr EV. Andrew. Heed the comments here about firmly pressing the charger plug into the car socket whilst the charger is doing the handshake. Its a high current connection and expects a secure connection. Same with all public fast DC chargers. And as they are frequently plugged/unplugged the contacts become worn over time. I’ve had no problems with DC fast connection on Ecotricity since pressing the plug in firmly during the handshake.
Nice video, yet again. Thank you for your dedication! I got my e-Niro 10 days ago, but the fun started months ago thanks to your videos. What's with that red-white-blue checkered shirt, did I miss something? ;-)
Hello, Ron, I will need to replace my 2012 Honda with an electric vehicle by the end of this year. After watching these videos, I am making a list of questions, asks, etc., for the Kia dealer. Do you have any recommendations? Are you satisfied with the Niro? Your time is greatly appreciated.
@@civilizeddiva Hi Silk, I'm very satisfied with the Niro, even though I only drove about 4200 km with it since I got it, about 8,5 months ago. I have no doubt that other models (2021 eNiro, EV6) or other brands will have the same - or better - quality, but I would not want to trade my Niro with any other car!
Watched the whole journey Canterbury to Land's End to John O'Groates and back to Canturbury and this has confirmed that signing up for the lease of the e-Niro 4+ last week was the right thing to do. What I will say though is whilst there were plenty of chargers about, the final talley of £140 for the whole journey was fine interestingly you didn't split out how many of the miles you did were free as there were 3 chargers where you didn't get charged. Also why is it that EV charge stations treat their customers like second class citzens? Not one charge point (including the Shell Garage ones) had any under cover. So if you had to faff around (as you did on occassion) and its raining you get wet, whereas our ice cousins do not.
CPS can be really annoying on CCS, especially their older chargers. Quite often need to call to reset machines. Sometimes it's worth supporting the cable while it negotiates as it's the two top pins in the plug that communicate with the car.
Andrew, I've got no openings in my business atm, however I'll reach out to my brother who is CEO at Clarion Events and see if they have positions within their Energy or sister sectors.
These parts of your epic up in Scotland in particular were really interesting! What was the point of attempting either the northwards or return journey in a single day though? It's mostly a question of bladder range between stops for me too 🙂
Yes I paid a tenner. Annual admin charge so technically not congestion charge but for admin fees only. EV cars are like this Till feb 2024. Unless HM Government changes it suddenly.
What happens if you use the ‘jag’ app and you stop charging to move chargers? Would you be charged twice? Is the app ‘intelligent’ enough to recognise the two sessions in quick succession and only charge you once or do you have to contact customer services to query the extra charge?
Have you heard of when charging, due to cable weight the contacts for communicating with the charger sometime won‘t fit? Take your time when charging, slowly push the charging cable into your car connector, and better not be in a hurry.
Push and hold the conector until it locks and start charging. If the conector is worn the weight of the cable can interfere with the handshake. For all the should have got a Tesla brigade you will have the same issues once the CCS conectors start to get old and worn
Fab ! ... well done! The last bit was a bit noisy... all those ICES in Londinium 🙈... hey you were a bit close to turtle in that last one (if only you knew then).
Scheduled charging can be inefficient if the driver does not remember too remove that functionality before expecting to charge to between 80%-100%. You mentioned this n another video. Seems like Kia should consider to set an audible tone, text message or carrier pigeon notification-reminder. 4:14: Once I make my e-vehicle purchase, should I begin thinking about trips in kWh hours? At a gas station, there is an attendant, who could possibly help you at the pump. Do any charge stations offer that service? This was stressful and I was just watching. I think anyone CONSIDERING a future purchase of an electric vehicle should subscribe to these types of channels to flatten the learning curve😅
Very interesting to see your real world experiences and how the charging network performs in practice, seems mostly fine with some quite annoying niggles getting charging to start. I’m probably looking to make the EV switch when I next change my car, when the current (petrol) one reaches its third birthday, end August 2022, so just over a year from now. Currently looking at the Kia Soul. My annual mileage is pretty low so I think the 240-260 mile real world range should suit me well for my occasional longer journeys. I’m in the north of Scotland so your journeys to/from here are mostly pretty reassuring.
Ive been in IT for over 30 years one and area that has never got any better is software designers not putting up proper accurate instructions. I am staggered how easy it is to solve this issue but they continue to make the same mistake causing massive frustration. And don't get me started onto the plethora of cards you need to carry to charge up.
Dam them ionity's are expensive!!! Can see why them Tesla owners didn't want to charge there! The Scottish ones are a load of hassle - but at least they're free! Kinda balances out in cost if you got free and 70p+ mixed in together!
Its not so much the charging infrastructure that concerns me, though I feel you were lucky not to find people on the charger when you get there, also you spent a very long time at each charger. If you were driving a petrol car fuelling would take 10 minutes maximum and probably only 4 times, how many hours did you spend charging?
I’ve been to Gretna Green Ionity (my first Ionity). I had trouble getting the correct charge card working (including a phone call) but it was very quick!
@@TheBeggFamily You mean a debit card using their app or directly on the unit itself? I'm assuming the former as I don't believe IONITY supports contactless payments yet?
The charging points need to be on an integrated system on all sat navs or google maps etc and in good working order and simplify, .. seems to be poor at best
In the mean time, there's ABRP (a better route planner). It has all the chargers, built in sat nav and if you take the time to set it up, you can enter your car model, preferred cruising speed, state of charge when you leave, preferred state of charge at each stop and final destination and it will work out the quickest route including charging time. This sometimes means a couple of fifteen minute stops because you get a faster charge rate than running the battery all the way down and then charging to full. It's based on real car data and takes into account weather and hills. On some cars (including Kia and Tesla) you can integrate it with the car so that it takes live data from your car.
Great videos but it must frustrating to find not all charges work the same way. Surely if the government want people to trade in their fossil run cars they would regulate and get standard that everyone can use. I’m trying to persuade my wife that our next car should be an EV but she would flip her lid if I had to do what you had to do.
New to you channel Mr. Till but enjoying your videos very much. There is one big question left unanswered from this video (though maybe you answer it in a later vid, I'm still watching them) - did Ceci find a job?!!
Funny order of handling. I always plugin first and follow instructions on screen. Curious also 84% state of charge with different stalls?! I never try to save a few minutes in time driving an ev! I am also very confident in traveling with public transport, a mindset better for ev driving?
At 17.05 or so at the 3rd attempt I hear you say ´push the start button´while you push the stop-button... And than you're slightly disappointed it's not working... Advice: Try to push the right button!
Seeing your experience with the temperamental charger in Wick worries me. If there had been someone else charging for an hour or so then you would be facing a very long wait. It's the infrastructure in the tourist hotspots that seems to be more needed than all the built-up areas?
Have you changed your front tyres yet? Sometimes I need to lock my car to get the charger working! Are you going to change your plates for green ones, I am? The news for the future is the batteries will come in two, so your new car might have two 32 kWh which will be brilliant!, oh yes, another enjoyable video😄
Thank you! I've not needed to change the tyres yet although I've heard of others (doing much higher milage) that have. I'd love green plates but I'll wait for the next car instead of spending money on this one I'm leasing. I've not heard that about batteries coming in two?! What benefit would that bring? Would it not be more expensive?
Well done. Got to see some Scottish scenery! Q: Would your CYC card have worked on the POLAR charger? (no idea if it would have been cheaper than a contactless ...but then, why have a card if contactless works?) . I think it was quite brave of you to attempt the distances involved, even with Ceci co-piloting. Kudos to her too.
The CYC card use on CPS is fine, but in the rest of the country the Polar Plus card I have does all the CYC chargers so I don’t bother carrying the CYC card with me. That caught me out when I visited Dundee to try the charging hubs. The Polar card doesn’t work and as I didn’t have my CYC card on me I ended up phoning support. They offered to send me a CPS RFID card through the post. When I informed them that I wanted to charge now rather than in a couple of days they looked for my CYC details and eventually gave me a free charge. I had to move between 4 different rapid chargers before they could get one working remotely. A very helpful taxi driver offered the use of his rfid card but I wanted to see how it was when you had an issue. What would happen if you needed an RFID card to fill up at Esso or BP petrol station but couldn’t because you needed an RFID card that they would send you. Being able to use a debit/credit card like we do for everything else we purchase would be much appreciated assuming that they didn’t use it as an excuse to charge more.
@@SirHackaL0t. as far as I'm aware, the CYC card works with CPS and CPS cards with CYC chargers. The CYC card should also work with POLAR and POLAR with CYC chargers. The problem is that Polar doesnt work with CPS cards and vice versa. This is how it was a year ago anyway. Theoretically, they are all the same company (these days) so they should get their act together....sometime. This is why I got a CYC card as it will work in England and Scotland. That said, Andrew and I have commented before that this isnt exactly a user friendly way to run charging infrastructure.
@@roderickmain9697 Yeah, I didn’t have (and still don’t have) a CPS card as I live in Eastbourne so visits to Scotland will be rare. Next time I’ll make sure I take the CYC card. As it happens, I paid a visit to the Dundee Supercharger and that worked without any issues. :)
There were 2 out of 16 chargers that were picky, and a regular working person would go on 1 or 2 of these road trips a year. Any other charging else will be for daily commutes, for which you'll find your charging routine quite fast I'd say. Hardly any hardships on the horizon therefore. Can't wait to go EV!
i did video about same thing - driving an ev in the uk - channel the 81% was the previous car info. so with that still showing it will not charge. it could be that the charger plug did not get turned off properly it may also help just keeping your hand on the charger plug in the car it just may not be as far in as it should be. you need to go back and get the picture but next time look for the cheapest chargers. may be do a coast road trip
If all the car chargers are so difficult to use,won't that put people off?I'm goner give it a year or so before committing to ev and hopefully network and systems will improve!
You get used to how the different chargers work especially the ones you normally use. It’s much easier now than 3 years ago. Some chargers required the car plugged in before using the RFID cards and some required the RFID card first before plugging in. These days most seem to work either way.
I borrowed an ev for a day and decided to give it a quick charge on the Polar network I have the app. It was pouring with rain I got it to work without too many problems but got soaked, after 20 mins sitting in the car I had what I wanted but it wouldn't stop and it kept telling me to scan my card to stop but I used the app? After several attempts I had to phone them and they stopped it remotely, by this time I was drenched. Not a great experience why don't they put charging stations under cover?
@@keithware5314 Can’t you stop the charge from the app? I have an RFID card and can also stop the charge from the car as well. Having chargers under cover would be a great step forward, as well as having sufficient lighting.
@@SirHackaL0t. Yes lighting would have been nice. I tried the app to stop it initially but that didn't work so I thought has it inadvertently taken it from one of my cards in my wallet because I was standing close to the charger, a bit of a long shot I know, so I tried scanning all my cards and it kept saying wrong card and my app still showed charging. When I phoned them they said it shows it was started on the app but couldn't understand why it was asking me to stop it with a card.
@@MrEV thanks for reply, just going through your videos and I must say there very addictive, and my wife and I love them ,say hi to Flav.take care look forward to latest adventures.
Watching you fight with the Charge Place Scotland chargers was so frustrating. Card, plug, start. Not card, start, plug. I was shouting at you because you repeated the mistake twice before getting it right third time. 🤔 🤣
Crikey, what are you doing plugging in for 15 mins. We just did 2000m to N Uist, chill out for goodness sake !! Just plug in and wait 45 mins, keep going until 50 m left, look for charger. We have been doing this for 5 years.
If the challenge wasn’t time-sensitive, I certainly would have taken it easy. I was hoping to get home at a sensible time which meant prioritising fast charges at IONITY unfortunately!
OK, enjoy your channel, especially when your missus tells you off. Not had a problem with charge place chargers as long as they work. But even on a time trial would it not be best to charge fully and chill out, rather than fiddling about for a few mins. We have Kona now and don't really plan in Scotland. Plenty chargers, just look for one at about 80-50 miles. With previous Zoe 22, bit more difficult, but we did the 500 from Suffolk. Great Fun. Shetland next.
Such a stressful charging experience in Scotland, when you going to gat a proper EV Andrew so you can supercharge, first time, every time and no ludicrous charges from Ionity ?
Totally believe that there are certain people for whom an electric car is not the correct solution. If watching someone drive 2000 km in a faultless car with infrastructure that worked very time makes you think that you don’t want to buy one, then I reckon you’re one of them.
PICNIC - the frustrating experience with Andrew using the Scottish chargers. Problem is In the Chair Not In the Computer. He didn’t follow the correct sequence. Most charging of EVs occurs at home on low price overnight tariffs eg, Octopus Go, with average cost less than 1.5p per mile. In three months E Niro ownership I’ve only used public chargers on four longer journeys, a total of 6 public DC charge sessions. Only the first one did not work as expected because I didn’t know what I was doing (PICNIC). On every other occasion the fast chargers (Ecotricity x3, Ionity x1, Instavolt x2) worked exactly as expected. My overall EV charging costs are less than 3.5p/kWh including public DC charging at c. 30p/kWh. And every drive is a pleasure. Smooth, effortless power with comfort and superior technology. And not contributing to more pollution.
I like to think of EV ownership as a bit of a voyage of discovery right now. I enjoy the adventure, and most of the people I know who got EVs seem to as well. I'll agree public charging has a way to go before it's completely painless but if you're able to charge at home, it's really not too much of a problem. It just pays to have a plan B and C if you're going to an area you've not visited before. Scotland is actually one of the best places I've been, despite those glitchy chargers. I wasn't concerned once. The pros of driving an EV massively outweigh the cons I think, although I fully appreciate that may not be the case for everyone.
Electric vehicles are just better. No noise, no emissions, less fuel costs, less maintenance costs. Gasoline and diesel are OLD polluting technology. So last century. Electric cars, electric trucks, electric buses, electric trash haulers, electric snow blowers, electric lawn mowers, electric snow mobiles, electric water craft, electric garden tools, electric mechanic tools, electric motor cycles, electric bicycles, electric scooters, electric farm tractors, electric construction equipment, electric delivery vehicles, ...... everything is going electric. No worries about starting after sitting for a few months. Gasoline and diesel vehicles and equipment always need repairs.
While I've enjoyed watching this series there should be a drinking game for the statement 'on the gom' at least then it might be fun & not so annoying! Please stop.
And drivers failing to press the charger plug firmly into the socket to ensure good contact for a high current charge. Eventually manufacturers will add a clamp system to public chargers to overcome this. Andrew was just putting the CPS plug into the socket without attention to a firm pressure during handshake. I’ve had zero issues with Ecotricity chargers since using this technique.
I own an EV so I know that public fast and rapid charging almost always works immediately. But I can understand that someone considering an EV will become a bit more hesitant after seeing those first two attempts to charge. If it was this hard to get a petrol pump going, there would be an outcry.
Watching you failing at the chargers in Scotland surely the start button needs to be pressed after you plug in and not before. I am sure that when you did this at Wick this is when you were successful.
You need to connect the car and THEN press start! also you missed a load of free CPS chargers down the Motorway. Also shell should ask for the card? otherwise anyone can do it
The awful Ecotricity chargers were part funded by the EU too. EU money doesn't necessarily guarantee good chargers! Thankfully we have Instavolt, Osprey and others that are far more reliable.
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Well done! Your co-pilot was excellent, too. Very supportive, and kind natured. She deserves a good employer, so let's see what the new decade brings for her. Wishing you and the family all the very best for 2021.
It's high time chargers were programmed not to care whether you plug in before or after pressing the buttons. Or if it really matters, they should make it quite clear in the instructions. Better still, if you plug in first, it shouldn't even need to ask you which cable you are going to use. Why is so-called smart electronics incapable of spotting the obvious?
I totally agree
@@robertsinclair1007 I dont like most chargers but i wont give up my EV , it will get better .
it's called user testing. not just the people who run these. They should film their mum trying to use it for the first time and find out if it's REALLY obvious what to do. Most would fail. Looks like the latest ones are a lot better!
Definitely more videos with Ceci 👍
On the ChargePlaceScotland chargers I find the best order is to scan card, connect plug, then press Start.
Exactly and that is what Andrew did eventually but did not twig he had originally pressed stop by mistake which meant he was already plugged in when he pressed start for the third time.
You two get along famously
Brilliant and informative thank you. There’s you at 39/40 an EV veteran and me at 75 getting my first EV. Can’t wait for my Ioniq5. Keep safe ☘️
Probably among my favourite series of videos ever posted on TH-cam. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much!
I find myself watching this yet again and I find myself screaming at you as you keep repeating the sequence error.
It's making me laugh uncontrollably though so thanks for the mirth!
I’m a slow learner. 😀
Hi Andrew. You had me shouting at my TV. 😁. On the chargeplace Scotland chargers order should be scan card, connect car, press start button. You kept getting the car not detected because you hit start before connecting the car. Glad you got home OK! Love your videos!
The instructions said to press start and then connect?!
Well done at getting this finished, been waiting since the 3am arrival!!!! Limited charging has happened to you before, so maybe a reminder somewhere when you are away from home, to ensure that setting is turned off...And a big congratulations in completing your challenge, you have been a big inspiration of me ordering the Kia ENiro 4+...Thank you
Thanks very much! You'd think I'd be old enough to learn from my mistakes!
Watching this while at a public charger,kept me entertained while waiting.
Well done matey. Lucky you got the trip in before lockdown. Enjoy the rest.
Just started watching the video.... Get yourself an Ohme charger!! So excited about this... You're a legend Sig Till.
Thank you sir! I'd love an Ohme.
Thanks for filming all of this trip. Really informative on the charging network in UK. I'm ditching my fossil cars and going electric because of your channel and Bjorn Nyland. Great to see your channel growing. You deserve it with all the effort you put in. Hope you are fully recovered.
Thanks so much, Rob - lovely of you to say.
When you need to perform rituals three times in front of each tin box in hope for it to make the right sounds... Long way to go for the non-Tesla ecosystem :(
Fantastic video again Andrew! Really enjoyed watching 👍
I did find it funny when you pressed stop instead of start at the charge place Scotland charger. That’s the tiredness kicking in 😴🥱😂
Thanks Samuel! Yes, I'll blame that on tiredness and not just general stupidity! 😀
Andrew Till/Mr EV. Andrew. Heed the comments here about firmly pressing the charger plug into the car socket whilst the charger is doing the handshake. Its a high current connection and expects a secure connection. Same with all public fast DC chargers. And as they are frequently plugged/unplugged the contacts become worn over time. I’ve had no problems with DC fast connection on Ecotricity since pressing the plug in firmly during the handshake.
so much faffing with those chargers in Scotland.. 😅
Nice video, yet again. Thank you for your dedication! I got my e-Niro 10 days ago, but the fun started months ago thanks to your videos.
What's with that red-white-blue checkered shirt, did I miss something? ;-)
Hello, Ron, I will need to replace my 2012 Honda with an electric vehicle by the end of this year. After watching these videos, I am making a list of questions, asks, etc., for the Kia dealer. Do you have any recommendations? Are you satisfied with the Niro? Your time is greatly appreciated.
@@civilizeddiva Hi Silk, I'm very satisfied with the Niro, even though I only drove about 4200 km with it since I got it, about 8,5 months ago. I have no doubt that other models (2021 eNiro, EV6) or other brands will have the same - or better - quality, but I would not want to trade my Niro with any other car!
Watched the whole journey Canterbury to Land's End to John O'Groates and back to Canturbury and this has confirmed that signing up for the lease of the e-Niro 4+ last week was the right thing to do. What I will say though is whilst there were plenty of chargers about, the final talley of £140 for the whole journey was fine interestingly you didn't split out how many of the miles you did were free as there were 3 chargers where you didn't get charged. Also why is it that EV charge stations treat their customers like second class citzens? Not one charge point (including the Shell Garage ones) had any under cover. So if you had to faff around (as you did on occassion) and its raining you get wet, whereas our ice cousins do not.
CPS can be really annoying on CCS, especially their older chargers.
Quite often need to call to reset machines.
Sometimes it's worth supporting the cable while it negotiates as it's the two top pins in the plug that communicate with the car.
Ah, good old NoChargePlace Scotland. 🤔
Andrew, I've got no openings in my business atm, however I'll reach out to my brother who is CEO at Clarion Events and see if they have positions within their Energy or sister sectors.
Thanks so much, Martin! Just as I posted this, Ceci got a job at the UN for a few months actually!
@@MrEV Well that should keep the peace in the family for a while LOL.
Happy Birthday, mate
I fell for you and I became a KIA, I brought KIA e Niro and I'll visit you with the new Niro. Greetings. 😉
No cover at any chargers , seems a bit long on every charger ( petrol station 5 to 10 minutes) for full tank of petrol range 300 to 400 miles
These parts of your epic up in Scotland in particular were really interesting! What was the point of attempting either the northwards or return journey in a single day though? It's mostly a question of bladder range between stops for me too 🙂
Just to make it more of a challenge!
Your labor, your breath, healthy.
Always enjoy the crack! We’ve just taken delivery of a Nero 4+ and loving it.
How’re the headlights? My First edition ones are not great. (The other Colin Munro).
Sorry Mr Till.... Congestion charge isn't free (for all you new EV owners). You have to pay yearly (about £9) and then it's all good. 👍💷👌
Yes I paid a tenner. Annual admin charge so technically not congestion charge but for admin fees only. EV cars are like this Till feb 2024. Unless HM Government changes it suddenly.
Oh that's where the charger is in JOG! - It's going to be replaced and another added I have heard lol
On CPS I always plug in then place card and then start button, works every time
Fucking brilliant mate
What happens if you use the ‘jag’ app and you stop charging to move chargers? Would you be charged twice? Is the app ‘intelligent’ enough to recognise the two sessions in quick succession and only charge you once or do you have to contact customer services to query the extra charge?
"There's an ecotricity over there but it doesn't work very well". Was that based on trying or just Ecotricity's reputation hanging round its neck? :)
Just reputation! That unit has not been working well for years. It's also only ChaDeMo and Type 2 so wouldn't have been much use anyway.
Enjoyed this trip..
As a soon to be EV owner what cards/apps do I need in readiness?
Have you heard of when charging, due to cable weight the contacts for communicating with the charger sometime won‘t fit? Take your time when charging, slowly push the charging cable into your car connector, and better not be in a hurry.
Push and hold the conector until it locks and start charging. If the conector is worn the weight of the cable can interfere with the handshake. For all the should have got a Tesla brigade you will have the same issues once the CCS conectors start to get old and worn
Fab ! ... well done! The last bit was a bit noisy... all those ICES in Londinium 🙈... hey you were a bit close to turtle in that last one (if only you knew then).
I know! Ignorance is bliss!
Scheduled charging can be inefficient if the driver does not remember too remove that functionality before expecting to charge to between 80%-100%. You mentioned this n another video. Seems like Kia should consider to set an audible tone, text message or carrier pigeon notification-reminder.
4:14: Once I make my e-vehicle purchase, should I begin thinking about trips in kWh hours?
At a gas station, there is an attendant, who could possibly help you at the pump. Do any charge stations offer that service?
This was stressful and I was just watching. I think anyone CONSIDERING a future purchase of an electric vehicle should subscribe to these types of channels to flatten the learning curve😅
As self depreciating as ever!
Very interesting to see your real world experiences and how the charging network performs in practice, seems mostly fine with some quite annoying niggles getting charging to start. I’m probably looking to make the EV switch when I next change my car, when the current (petrol) one reaches its third birthday, end August 2022, so just over a year from now. Currently looking at the Kia Soul. My annual mileage is pretty low so I think the 240-260 mile real world range should suit me well for my occasional longer journeys. I’m in the north of Scotland so your journeys to/from here are mostly pretty reassuring.
Ive been in IT for over 30 years one and area that has never got any better is software designers not putting up proper accurate instructions. I am staggered how easy it is to solve this issue but they continue to make the same mistake causing massive frustration. And don't get me started onto the plethora of cards you need to carry to charge up.
I couldn't agree more. Hence why Instavolt is so good.
I agree, now apply that lack of software checking and quality to self driving, and have a very scared moment !!
Dam them ionity's are expensive!!! Can see why them Tesla owners didn't want to charge there! The Scottish ones are a load of hassle - but at least they're free! Kinda balances out in cost if you got free and 70p+ mixed in together!
Would be interesting to compare with a deisel hatchback to compare time and cost?
With your charging woes, better you get someone else to kick you as you will more than likely miss :) But well done on the trip.
Its not so much the charging infrastructure that concerns me, though I feel you were lucky not to find people on the charger when you get there, also you spent a very long time at each charger. If you were driving a petrol car fuelling would take 10 minutes maximum and probably only 4 times, how many hours did you spend charging?
I’ve been to Gretna Green Ionity (my first Ionity). I had trouble getting the correct charge card working (including a phone call) but it was very quick!
Which card did you use?
@@MrEV I think I tried the Shell card (used to be New Motion) and ended up with a debit card (and a higher rate I think).
@@TheBeggFamily You mean a debit card using their app or directly on the unit itself? I'm assuming the former as I don't believe IONITY supports contactless payments yet?
You need plug in before pushing the start button
The charging points need to be on an integrated system on all sat navs or google maps etc and in good working order and simplify, .. seems to be poor at best
I couldn't agree more!
In the mean time, there's ABRP (a better route planner). It has all the chargers, built in sat nav and if you take the time to set it up, you can enter your car model, preferred cruising speed, state of charge when you leave, preferred state of charge at each stop and final destination and it will work out the quickest route including charging time. This sometimes means a couple of fifteen minute stops because you get a faster charge rate than running the battery all the way down and then charging to full. It's based on real car data and takes into account weather and hills.
On some cars (including Kia and Tesla) you can integrate it with the car so that it takes live data from your car.
Great videos but it must frustrating to find not all charges work the same way. Surely if the government want people to trade in their fossil run cars they would regulate and get standard that everyone can use. I’m trying to persuade my wife that our next car should be an EV but she would flip her lid if I had to do what you had to do.
New to you channel Mr. Till but enjoying your videos very much. There is one big question left unanswered from this video (though maybe you answer it in a later vid, I'm still watching them) - did Ceci find a job?!!
Thanks Peter! She did! She's working within one of the United Nations' projects for the environment.
Funny order of handling. I always plugin first and follow instructions on screen. Curious also 84% state of charge with different stalls?! I never try to save a few minutes in time driving an ev! I am also very confident in traveling with public transport, a mindset better for ev driving?
At 17.05 or so at the 3rd attempt I hear you say ´push the start button´while you push the stop-button... And than you're slightly disappointed it's not working... Advice: Try to push the right button!
I know. I'll blame lack of sleep!
Seeing your experience with the temperamental charger in Wick worries me. If there had been someone else charging for an hour or so then you would be facing a very long wait. It's the infrastructure in the tourist hotspots that seems to be more needed than all the built-up areas?
16 adverts!? Is this because it's all going to charity or something?
16?! Really?! That's insane. I'd not changed TH-cam's defaults - I'll sort it now.
@@MrEV there was one ad then 15 yellow bars on the timeline. I pushed your video to my tv while cooking and no further ads showed so not sure.
Have you changed your front tyres yet? Sometimes I need to lock my car to get the charger working! Are you going to change your plates for green ones, I am? The news for the future is the batteries will come in two, so your new car might have two 32 kWh which will be brilliant!, oh yes, another enjoyable video😄
Thank you! I've not needed to change the tyres yet although I've heard of others (doing much higher milage) that have. I'd love green plates but I'll wait for the next car instead of spending money on this one I'm leasing. I've not heard that about batteries coming in two?! What benefit would that bring? Would it not be more expensive?
Well done. Got to see some Scottish scenery! Q: Would your CYC card have worked on the POLAR charger? (no idea if it would have been cheaper than a contactless ...but then, why have a card if contactless works?) . I think it was quite brave of you to attempt the distances involved, even with Ceci co-piloting. Kudos to her too.
The CYC card use on CPS is fine, but in the rest of the country the Polar Plus card I have does all the CYC chargers so I don’t bother carrying the CYC card with me.
That caught me out when I visited Dundee to try the charging hubs. The Polar card doesn’t work and as I didn’t have my CYC card on me I ended up phoning support.
They offered to send me a CPS RFID card through the post. When I informed them that I wanted to charge now rather than in a couple of days they looked for my CYC details and eventually gave me a free charge. I had to move between 4 different rapid chargers before they could get one working remotely.
A very helpful taxi driver offered the use of his rfid card but I wanted to see how it was when you had an issue.
What would happen if you needed an RFID card to fill up at Esso or BP petrol station but couldn’t because you needed an RFID card that they would send you.
Being able to use a debit/credit card like we do for everything else we purchase would be much appreciated assuming that they didn’t use it as an excuse to charge more.
@@SirHackaL0t. as far as I'm aware, the CYC card works with CPS and CPS cards with CYC chargers. The CYC card should also work with POLAR and POLAR with CYC chargers. The problem is that Polar doesnt work with CPS cards and vice versa. This is how it was a year ago anyway. Theoretically, they are all the same company (these days) so they should get their act together....sometime. This is why I got a CYC card as it will work in England and Scotland.
That said, Andrew and I have commented before that this isnt exactly a user friendly way to run charging infrastructure.
@@roderickmain9697 Yeah, I didn’t have (and still don’t have) a CPS card as I live in Eastbourne so visits to Scotland will be rare. Next time I’ll make sure I take the CYC card.
As it happens, I paid a visit to the Dundee Supercharger and that worked without any issues. :)
@@SirHackaL0t. Im next door in Seaford but have relations in Scotland ;-)
@@roderickmain9697 If you want a lift one day let me know :)
This seems to be a similar story for all non Tesla owners attempting a long multipoint charging journey . Which is what puts me off EVs for now.
There were 2 out of 16 chargers that were picky, and a regular working person would go on 1 or 2 of these road trips a year. Any other charging else will be for daily commutes, for which you'll find your charging routine quite fast I'd say. Hardly any hardships on the horizon therefore.
Can't wait to go EV!
I'm confused why everyone is talking about the eNiro, and the eSoul gets so little press.
Simply because of the looks I think. We love it though.
Charge Place Scotland chargers are a pain in the neck. If they were all that were available, they’d be enough to put people off EVs.
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i did video about same thing - driving an ev in the uk - channel the 81% was the previous car info. so with that still showing it will not charge. it could be that the charger plug did not get turned off properly it may also help just keeping your hand on the charger plug in the car it just may not be as far in as it should be.
you need to go back and get the picture but next time look for the cheapest chargers. may be do a coast road trip
I wondered if the previous person didn’t press the stop button.
Not sure what the point of all that music is...if can't hear it.
Jag charging, 92p/kWh, what the hell???
If all the car chargers are so difficult to use,won't that put people off?I'm goner give it a year or so before committing to ev and hopefully network and systems will improve!
You get used to how the different chargers work especially the ones you normally use. It’s much easier now than 3 years ago. Some chargers required the car plugged in before using the RFID cards and some required the RFID card first before plugging in. These days most seem to work either way.
I borrowed an ev for a day and decided to give it a quick charge on the Polar network I have the app. It was pouring with rain I got it to work without too many problems but got soaked, after 20 mins sitting in the car I had what I wanted but it wouldn't stop and it kept telling me to scan my card to stop but I used the app? After several attempts I had to phone them and they stopped it remotely, by this time I was drenched. Not a great experience why don't they put charging stations under cover?
@@keithware5314 Can’t you stop the charge from the app? I have an RFID card and can also stop the charge from the car as well.
Having chargers under cover would be a great step forward, as well as having sufficient lighting.
@@SirHackaL0t. Yes lighting would have been nice. I tried the app to stop it initially but that didn't work so I thought has it inadvertently taken it from one of my cards in my wallet because I was standing close to the charger, a bit of a long shot I know, so I tried scanning all my cards and it kept saying wrong card and my app still showed charging. When I phoned them they said it shows it was started on the app but couldn't understand why it was asking me to stop it with a card.
@@keithware5314 If the charger has an emergency stop button then that would work although not all of them have that facility.
You keep pressing the button too early. Follow the instructions! Once connected and ready to charge THEN press start.
I was following the instructions! It said:
• Show card to reader
• DC -> push start button
• Unhook plug from charger etc
@@MrEV True. However from experience that is not how the Scottish ChargeYourCar stations work. It is to confuse tourists from down south.
Do you play golf (seems there are clubs in the rear of the car) ? And you're in Scotland too...
No golf clubs in the car - was that a camera tripod you saw perhaps?! (And no, I don’t play!)
Sorry, we golfmaniacs see clubs everywhere😀. Very good channel for us happy EV owners
You are not being aggressive enough when you are inserting the charger plug to make a connection first time.
Who is Ceci ?
My wife’s little sister.
@@MrEV thanks for reply, just going through your videos and I must say there very addictive, and my wife and I love them ,say hi to Flav.take care look forward to latest adventures.
@@bernardjohnston819 Thanks very much!
This is not a good advertisement for EV’s. The charging stations are so finicky. I think I’m going to follow Flaviana’s advice and get a hybrid.
Watching you fight with the Charge Place Scotland chargers was so frustrating. Card, plug, start. Not card, start, plug.
I was shouting at you because you repeated the mistake twice before getting it right third time. 🤔 🤣
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Gill Nowell has just posted a Marketing Job on her LinkedIn profile.
Thanks for letting me know!
Didnt know mrs EV had a sister?
She has two! There's a brief appearance of the other one in the Megane first impressions vid.
Did you preregister your car for the olez zone and the congestion zone for London?
Yes, we had already travelled to London previously so have it registered.
@@MrEV It is frustrating that you have pay £10 each year for the congestion zone.
Just got myself an id.3 i fancy copying your trip when we are allowed out an about
Congratulations! I love the i3.
@@MrEV it is a lovely car to drive
All these cards and apps just to use different chargers is an absolute farce
It’ll already be so much easier with all the motorway chargers getting upgraded. I’ll do the trip again next year hopefully!
Crikey, what are you doing plugging in for 15 mins. We just did 2000m to N Uist, chill out for goodness sake !! Just plug in and wait 45 mins, keep going until 50 m left, look for charger. We have been doing this for 5 years.
If the challenge wasn’t time-sensitive, I certainly would have taken it easy. I was hoping to get home at a sensible time which meant prioritising fast charges at IONITY unfortunately!
OK, enjoy your channel, especially when your missus tells you off. Not had a problem with charge place chargers as long as they work. But even on a time trial would it not be best to charge fully and chill out, rather than fiddling about for a few mins. We have Kona now and don't really plan in Scotland. Plenty chargers, just look for one at about 80-50 miles. With previous Zoe 22, bit more difficult, but we did the 500 from Suffolk. Great Fun. Shetland next.
Anyway, North Uist, showing off!
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Don't plug your car in until it tells you to... Achh eye the noo.
Such a stressful charging experience in Scotland, when you going to gat a proper EV Andrew so you can supercharge, first time, every time and no ludicrous charges from Ionity ?
When they stop falling to bits maybe.
Wow this is enough to make you not want to buy an electric car
Totally believe that there are certain people for whom an electric car is not the correct solution.
If watching someone drive 2000 km in a faultless car with infrastructure that worked very time makes you think that you don’t want to buy one, then I reckon you’re one of them.
PICNIC - the frustrating experience with Andrew using the Scottish chargers. Problem is In the Chair Not In the Computer. He didn’t follow the correct sequence. Most charging of EVs occurs at home on low price overnight tariffs eg, Octopus Go, with average cost less than 1.5p per mile. In three months E Niro ownership I’ve only used public chargers on four longer journeys, a total of 6 public DC charge sessions. Only the first one did not work as expected because I didn’t know what I was doing (PICNIC). On every other occasion the fast chargers (Ecotricity x3, Ionity x1, Instavolt x2) worked exactly as expected. My overall EV charging costs are less than 3.5p/kWh including public DC charging at c. 30p/kWh. And every drive is a pleasure. Smooth, effortless power with comfort and superior technology. And not contributing to more pollution.
I like to think of EV ownership as a bit of a voyage of discovery right now. I enjoy the adventure, and most of the people I know who got EVs seem to as well.
I'll agree public charging has a way to go before it's completely painless but if you're able to charge at home, it's really not too much of a problem. It just pays to have a plan B and C if you're going to an area you've not visited before. Scotland is actually one of the best places I've been, despite those glitchy chargers. I wasn't concerned once.
The pros of driving an EV massively outweigh the cons I think, although I fully appreciate that may not be the case for everyone.
Electric vehicles are just better. No noise, no emissions, less fuel costs, less maintenance costs.
Gasoline and diesel are OLD polluting technology. So last century.
Electric cars, electric trucks, electric buses, electric trash haulers, electric snow blowers, electric lawn mowers, electric snow mobiles, electric water craft, electric garden tools, electric mechanic tools, electric motor cycles, electric bicycles, electric scooters, electric farm tractors, electric construction equipment, electric delivery vehicles, ...... everything is going electric. No worries about starting after sitting for a few months.
Gasoline and diesel vehicles and equipment always need repairs.
While I've enjoyed watching this series there should be a drinking game for the statement 'on the gom' at least then it might be fun & not so annoying! Please stop.
You think it was bad for you? I had to edit the damn thing!
I'd have lost the plot! 😂😂😂😂
I wonder if your sister in law has forgiven you yet. She looks so fed up throughout, as she didn't really get to see much apart from car parks. Lol.
Unreliable chargers is the biggest frustration with EVs.
@@honesty_-no9he Tesla chargers can also be unreliable. Sometimes they charge slowly. Sometimes they are broken, sometimes they just don’t work.
And drivers failing to press the charger plug firmly into the socket to ensure good contact for a high current charge. Eventually manufacturers will add a clamp system to public chargers to overcome this. Andrew was just putting the CPS plug into the socket without attention to a firm pressure during handshake. I’ve had zero issues with Ecotricity chargers since using this technique.
I think your wife has a good point about the electric cars
I own an EV so I know that public fast and rapid charging almost always works immediately. But I can understand that someone considering an EV will become a bit more hesitant after seeing those first two attempts to charge. If it was this hard to get a petrol pump going, there would be an outcry.
Watching you failing at the chargers in Scotland surely the start button needs to be pressed after you plug in and not before.
I am sure that when you did this at Wick this is when you were successful.
Your trip up your co-driver only drove one leg hopefully she will drive more on way back. Thinking it'd be 50/50 driving between you.
You need to connect the car and THEN press start! also you missed a load of free CPS chargers down the Motorway. Also shell should ask for the card? otherwise anyone can do it
Playing songs by local band on a long drive is a brilliant idea, what app did you use to do that if I may ask?
That fancy Ionity was financed by European Union, it seems that you will see more of those buggy Charge Place around
The awful Ecotricity chargers were part funded by the EU too. EU money doesn't necessarily guarantee good chargers!
Thankfully we have Instavolt, Osprey and others that are far more reliable.
How long that take your journey???
Motion sickness inducing for me after 15 mins unfortunately.
Will have to watch in short bursts.
Sorry about that. I have a stabiliser for the iPhone now so future videos should be much less sickness-inducing.
@@MrEV thanks... It did improve as the video went on 👍
17:17 "press start button" but presses stop button... :-)
It's a miracle I can tie my own shoelaces sometimes.