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Many of the terms we use today to differentiate swords from one another were not in use when those specific swords were in use. we live in a time where we need to differentiate between swords from all over the world and all throughout history.
calling something a "sword" was probably sufficient for most situations.
These terms may have historical precedence, but they were probably not as widely used as we are led to belive
Could you do a video about how the sword is often made to some situations ?
For exemple you will not use the same sword if you are on a horse or in a castle...
Sorry for my approximative english and greetings from France
Of course
I like this video. I learned this awhile back from the Shadiversity channel and I found it very interesting.
Probably not realistic If it had reverse grip
Tbf the scottish claymore (as far as I know) was genuinely called that during its "time"
"The classification is not what you'd call 'rules', they're more like... guidelines"
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More like trends. Or tendencies for some military issued blades and their common functions
I understood that reference...
crap you beat me to it, hats off
more like… guidelines…… If you’re generous.”
"If I had to classify that object, I'd say it's a sword..... Of the long-ass variety."
Man of culture I see. Tip of the hat 🎩
"Some seaweed in there too"
@@mtgspanglish731 I got a vivid imagination....
I killed Sir Kline, stabbed him in the spine, 9 pm on the dime
😂
Bastard swords were smithed outside of marriage
Weapons of Ill-Conceived Origin.
that joke was really edgy, you're a sharp fellow
But Who? The Customer or the Blacksmith?
@@TheLeefung Yes.
@@TheLeefung The milk man
“Smith! Make me one of those pointy things made of metal, and put some haste in your step!”
Metal*
“Here’s a nail, now let me finish my damn horseshoes.”
"Smith, what in heavens name is this?" "The people call it a _fork_ , sire.”
"Ah is this the smithy? How very quaint. I desire to have a pointy object made to impale mine enemies mehmehmeh"
*"THAT'S NOT TRUE*
*THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE"*
You win the comment section.
Search your feelings
You know it to be true
"Smith, my good man, could you make me a Bastard Sword, a Dumb Sword and an Idiot Sword?"
“sir all we’ve gots is retard swords, I cahn’t make those other swords”
Ok that's actually kinda funny
What about a smart sword?
@@DameOfDiamondsI'd say they're sharp enough as they are
Retard sword
"eh" is probably the most applicable category generally overall in erveything everytime always
That "Eh??" at the end killed me.
One funny example of weird sword terminology is how the two famous German swords, the Zweihänder and the Messer (and perhaps more examples I'm not aware of) - while having German words as names - are called something entirely different in German.
This is because what they are called in English - the German words for "Two-hander" and "Knife" respectively - are far too broad of a description to call these quite specific weapons.
Talk to a German about a Zweihänder, and he'll think you mean a longsword, since the word refers to all two-handed blades, from the Katana to the Broadsword.
What a Zweihänder is *actually* called in Germany is "Gassenhauer" which translates to "Alley-Beater" or, for a more apt translation "Path-Carver", referring to its role on the battlefield.
The Messer got off a little easier, simply being referred to as a "langes Messer" (long knife) or "Kriegsmesser" (War knife)...
Overall a pretty interesting example of how very broad terms from one language can be adapted by another language to mean something much more specific, because that specific thing also originates from the culture of the former language.
Confused yet? Because I sure am.
"k..kind of, but not really" killed me 🤣
"Even here on my back wall you can see all of the Oakeshotte Typology"
I always wondered about this cuz mass production was nothing like it is now or even 200 years ago. One blacksmith could only so far remake the same sword id assume. I love this channel
Think of it like how all suits were tailored bespoke pieces until around the 70’s (I think)
there really wasn't any mass production after the fall of Rome until the late middle ages in Europe. it was mostly due to a lack of people and real population centers.
judging from Roman mass produced weapons, they easily could have if they'd had the human resources.
this is pretty well shown in the southern German iron towns, which have companies that can trace their roots back to the Renaissance. while they couldn't do something complex with interchangeable parts 1-200 nearly identical swords or breastplates were well within their capabilities.
IF they had the workers to spare for it
It’s also fun because most words that people use as “classifications” of sword actually just literally mean “sword” in that area’s native language. That’s just what a sword was to them, and had just as many variations.
Person: "What did they call this sword back in the day?"
Historian: "[insert the word for sword in what ever language of the culture it was made in]
Me: I'll call it Jim...
Maybe a knight back in the day would shout, “I depart for battle….Pass me ye old long stabby thing please.”
Or they just say "pass me mine sword that smith makes the other day"
So the anime was accurate at this, I thought they were do this stuff just to make the antagonist shine more
"The anime" which anime?
@@khaoticpenguin3945 You know, *the* anime.
@@vladskiobi ah yes, I heard it's on Netflix
The one that I remember right now is kono suba and the slime one
@@vladskiobi i see it's that anime not the anime but that anime
You know, this is kind of a relief. I've been trying to design a sword for my fantasy character to use, but I couldn't find any 'official' terms that accurately describe it. I think I'll just find the one that fits best and go with it.
I look forward to seeing the new videos of “Bespoke long sword fitting ASMR”
On Savile row
In HEMA in Italy the instructor told me that categorization based on length and amount of hand needed is sh*t. Shape of the blade and edge of the sword are better indicator
“Omg Jessica is that a new sworddd?it’s so cute”
Yes,I made teenage girls in an era where they used swords like phone cases😎
Cute...
And not too far-fetched. In Medieval times but more popularly in the Renaissance and beyond, while swords were absolutely still used, those who could afford it often commissioned flashier, less practical (the detailing could get damaged in a fight though the sword itself was practical) swords as displays of their wealth and taste.
Fashion accessories essentially. Displayed for guests to appreciate or worn with civilian garb or armor. And just like today's fashion brands, the maker of the sword mattered a lot with some smiths and workshops having esteemed reputations for their quality and artistic ability.
Fanciful weapons (swords most typically) and armor could also be gifted to friends or vassals. A lot of the extravagant armor we still have today in museums were gifts distributed to vassals by kings and Emperors.
Finally someone on the same side as me about this. The largest sword in the world would indicate the Scotsman that wielded it was 8-9 feet tall but a lot of people think it was just made big. Nah it was used and the legends are true
The Smith would probably got a good look at the man and went something like: "sure I can make you a sword for your size lad, but it's going to cost you, metal ain't growingon trees ay know!?"
Parade swords are, as the name suggests, made for use at parades, not battle.
I find it funny that the guandao is a thing. It’s basically named, “Guan’s (Guan Yu’s, that is) dao.” But even that is probably not what he actually used, based on what a lot of Chinese historians tell me.
Three kingdoms 2010 tv show says otherwise owo
The Guandao is basically just a Naginata on steroids.
I Imagine going to a blacksmith, and he starts measuring you like a tailor.
I like the fact that you have a BKS. I too own a conical pommel with a downturn guard. Love it's balance too.
Imagine going to a blacksmith for a custom sword like how you would go to get a custom suit today. That's crazy.
“How many hands?”
“Two.”
“Blade?”
“Double sided.”
“What style?”
“Italian.”
“And the heraldry?”
“Feudal.”
Back then it was just sword but we like to classify things so we know exactly what we're saying. Like arming sword, a sword within the 2 to 3 foot range made to be wielded with one hand, or tha bastard sword, a 2.5 to 3.5 ft sword that can be wielded with one or two hands. We like having classes/technical language.
"your favorite swords"
Bruh you didn't even talk about my favorite swords
So basically how the hilt looks is just up to you it doesn’t really add to the accuracy of the sword.
not quite. the hilt length and blade length ideally will change for the user. shorter or longer depending. things like decoration, or pommel type are more or less just preference.
Actually makes alotta sense, i mean if youre getting a blacksmith to build you a sword, its like getting a piece of clothing custom made, so obviously its gonna be tailored to you, your fighting style, strengths and weaknesses, likings and dislikings, purpose you need it for, etc, etc, you dont go to a clothes maker and say "hey can a get a hoodie" then thats that
Tho i believe most people had swords given to them, taken from battlefields, or passed down by relatives, stuff like that, i'd assume it was much more like today where not many get clothes custom made but go to a thrift shop instead and just find something thats as close as possible to what they'd want custom made
I remember reading somewhere that a blacksmith when making a sword for somebody back in the day would measure from the hip to the heel of the person to determine the blade's length.
Don't know if it's true or not but it would be interesting.
So what you're telling me is swordsmiths worked on vibes
That last sound needs to become a sound
Isn't it already a sound?
@@Emre_H.Maybe they mean a soundbite?
@@wastrelperv First time seeing that term and after looking for it you may be right.
But, I still do not understand what @MacGuyver84 meant.
To this day my favorite sword is a slab of sharp metal
Imagine this guy got a poltergeist’s
So I came across a picture on the intarwebs and wanted to know your opinion and thoughts on this thing.
"Two-handed sword that belonged to Bavarian Prince-Elector Maximillion II, 1689"
The picture shows a massive weapon and the joke is that you need 50 str to wield it.
Bruh I can’t get over how he looks like a small person BUT I KNOW HE ISENT is it his proportions are more stocky or is it cause I’m 6’4 and thing everyone has long ass limbs lol
Finally a reasonable take on this historical fact. There's just so many people online that whenever you mention bastard swords they'll just run at you screeching that they didn't exist and acting like it makes them better than you.
Finally an acknowledgement that people probably called them something, but it wasn't widespread or super official. I mean, I don't think people were walking around having conversations about each others sword preferences in measurements, but the common man probably didn't care that much.
My favorite swords are-
Muramasa.
Masamune.
Claymore.
Dead reckoning.
How are they fakes 😒 🤔
It really comes down to individual makers. Two different blacksmiths might make two totally different two handed longswords based on your size, and while both of them would be "right" in terms of size and balance if the smith is good at their craft, it's very unlikely that both swords will look the same, unless you happen to go to a smith, then it turns out the second one was an apprentice under the first so a lot of the style of the first may manifest itself in the work of the second.
Kind of the way you can look at a sword that was made by a smith who is like a 5th generation smith and be able to tell who the original first smith in their lineage was because you might find a single trait or mistake that the first smith was known to make in all of their work that survived into the learning of each subsequent generation.
The same thing is done in South America with counterfeiters who hand etch the plates. You can trace a bill back through several generations of counterfeiters by a single microscopic mistake in the plates and the way they're engraved that survived to the next generation engraving new plates for changes in the currency, and so on. Certain federal agents tasked with taking down counterfeiters have been known to look at a bill and be able to tell you exactly which family made it because each one introduced their own tiny individual aspects that survived over a hundred years.
It's like looking for a cuban sandwich. Everyspot does something different and non are ever as good as a Philly cheese steak 😋
I heard they have curved swords. CURVED. SWORDS.
You should tell them that a lot of sword classifications in other languages literally just mean "sword" or "knife"
Like Messer
@@zacharyjohnson8037 also gladius, katana, spada de lato/espada, dao, etc
I distinctly remember seeing a video, I think it was scholagladiatoria channel's, where there was an example of text from a historical flyer for a "Bastard Sword Tournament." Apparently, these were also known as hand and a half swords. If it wasn't schola, then it's that other English guy who's not Lindybeige.
YES. THANK YOU.
It's annoying how often it seems like people treat medieval times and before as if everything was assembly line identical.
Without a definition, the term "long sword" is inherently subjective or at least contextual. Long in relation to what?
On top of this, even when a word *was* used, it's not necessarily exactly as we do today. Gladius is just the latin word for sword. Yes, they had specific terms, but if you time traveled and showed a roman a medieval "long sword" the way we define it today, which nobidy wouod ever call a gladius, in latin it wouod have been conpletely legitimate to call it that. If you'd have called it "gladius longus" nobody would disagree that that is an accurate term. It just means sword, but we today use it to refer to the roman legionnaire sword. It mskes complete sense, but it is a change in exact meaning.
I also 100% don't for a second believe that people had exact condistent standards for what was a lance, what was a pike, what was a spear, etc. Trends, sure.
I'm 5'7 140lbs.. my favorite sword is the Gladius. It feels good in the hand, practical, and doesn't make it look like I was compensating for something with a sword that looks like it would wield me into battle.
My favorite type of swords are "dao's' specifically the miaodao because it's actually quite similar to a katana but A bit wide and Longer like it's the asian version of the longsword
Honestly the first time I heard about hand and a half swords was in Eragon? The MC got a sword made just for them and I remember it being a Hand a Half. Bruh this short unlocked an old memory 😂
Bastard swords were made by the blacksmith apprentice. They weren't perfect. Couldn't make a real 1 handed grip or have the know how to make a dedicated 2 handed grip. The apprentice did the best he could and got it close; the bastard.
Side effect of everything being hand made. Even when a smith was making swords to identical specifications they'd end up different.
My favorite sword is a older (not sure the correct name) khopesh -pronounced hep-esh a long arm and a quarter 1-2 handed sword with a really curved mid section great at getting past shields and with the right leverage disarming and breaking arms... If your feeling really spicy most have a hook on the inner curve used it in a sparing match one time to bash a guy's face into his shield
At the time, most just called them swords just like we most often just call our weapons guns. We currently use different names for the different designs to more easily classify them since we currently have access to examples of almost every type of sword widely used.
Swords are one of my lifelong hyperfixations and I have irritated so many people trying to explain this concept😅
And two of the only straight Swords I really considered to be two-handed swords were zweihanders and claymores. Im sure theres others but 90 % of them can be used one handed. Btw All katana are considered 2 handed swords because of how they are wielded
The Japanese were real big on that. Often they would master the sword that was suited for them just to throw that away at the end of their training and use something a little longer so they can say “hey guys look how good I am”.
‘...so much as just ‘eh’’ I just can understand these technical terms you use😂😂😂
I love how much cool stuff you can learn from this channel. So informative!
The way i think of bastard and hand and a half, is bastard refers to length of blade while hand and a half refers to length of handle
I love this video, I’ve always gotten annoyed by the different sword names and people being aggressively certain X is whatever X sword is etc. i just call my swords by the names I give them, like coco, or chestnut, or buttercup
Stealing that for my DnD game
The paladin climbs the scales of the ancient red dragon Shaorath, the cleric and fighter are making death saves, finally he plunges his sword into the dragons skull, ending it's 1000 year tyranny over the capital city. The party opens the doors to it's hoard and are treated to mounds of gold and magic items. But none more powerful than the paladins newest weapon. The holy avenger that slayed countless foes, routed armies at it's unsheathing, put king and god alike to the blade. The holy avenger
*BUTTERCUP*
Ayo why has he got my entire childhood in his hands i thought this was supposed to be about swords
you had me at “eh?” 😂
How do we classify each of these swords?
"EH?"
"Why art thou upset? Do cocaine about it!"
Is that anduril flame of the west I spotted
Dude love yalls content! Keep it up!
My favorite sword is my Buck 110 folding knife. Because I can keep it in my pocket and nobody looks at me funny or calls the police. And I can peel apples with it. Can your longsword say the same?
What is the best modern sword today? Like is there the equivalent of an ar15 of swords you can buy or build cheaply in 2024 for a few hundred bucks or something? Like is there any sort of mass produced object made of a good stainless steel that you could use as a sword ? Like im thinking of something like if home depot had a sword section
Time to be facetious: So back in the day someone would just say to the blacksmith, "I would like a really long metal piece of 4 feet and have that little knob thing at the end, and that cool iron thing that goes in between where I grip it and where the actually sharp part begins."
This is fascinating information!
... but also, ngl, all my fav swords are definitely 100% fake. You got me. 😂 **LARP jokes lolol**
I appreciate the inclusion of the foam sword from my childhood
Don't be ridiculous. It was just called an "arming sword" by most people. The only people who had money for custom swords were the nobility. Common medieval soldiers used whatever sword they could find. Usually a family heirloom past down from the their father and grandfather.
Really enjoying your video series, dude. Glad I got to meet you!
"I give you your sword, it is of the straight-metal-cutty-thing-with-pointy-part-at-the-end-on-a-stick-you-hold-with-2-hands sword variety."
You forgot 1 classification..... THE FOAM SWORD! 😂
archeologists in the future: okay so we're gonna call this tiny L shaped gun a shortgun, and this long wooden gun is a long gun. this big tubular gun that shoots rockets is called a bastard gun.
While the sword in the far right is either a Motanté or a Zweihander, usually depends on the length of the blade (I think)
I swear there was a video that talked about bastard swords, then got into long swords and war swords, and such... now I can't find it..
SMITH! I would like 1 slightly curved, slightly longer than normal, and slightly thinner than normal sword please
I think it is very interesting how much of what we see in sword forms was experimentation that worked well or popular styling.
*swordsmiths in the past*
you know what this is? yeah, its a sword...you know what itll be in 100 years? ITLL BE A FUCKING SWORD
-Ah yes my dear smithy, good sir. I would like the "FromSoft Special".
*WINKS*
-WOT-U-MEAN the "FromSoft Special"?! You insinuatin' that my smithy sells soft steel?! UNTEMPERED!? IS IT?
-No no no my good man, I require a great sword, smithed from the very rays of MOONLIGHT capable of magically projecting waves of pure energy from the blade. You know the "FromSoft Special"? *WINKS* again
-There something wrong wit your eye? You flirtin' wif me? Think a bit of buggery will get you a better price? I've got better lookin' sheep in the yard! Move it along! Ain't no soft magical farcical moonray throwin' greatswords, 'ere ya dollywaddler. I suggest you make scarce like 'fore I brain yeh wif tha "Smithy Special"! See my 'ammer 'ere? It 'as a taste for blood as well as fire!
-Well I see my meaning was mistaken and shall inquire elsewhere. Good day sir and my patronage at this hovel establishment shall be withdrawn forthwith and evermore. Filthy peasant!
-Least I'm not a flowery speaking Twat, what winks at ovver men askin' for a soft sword what should be 'ard! Ya NANCY!
-Well I never!!
*Clutches Pearls and Leaves*
Ahh so, to summarize, the title is BS and unrelated to the content, which doesn't actually say much of anything. Longsword, Bastard Sword, and Half-and-a-Half are all fully viable descriptors of questionable chronology.
Oh yeah sword terminology is...very much something modern people have cobbled together using a variety of contemporary, non contemporary, and linguistically borrowed terms. And nobody can agree on what they mean (DND has not helped). Personally I use arming / hand and a half / longsword / greatsword.
The worst imo is Two Handed Sword (thank you very much German). I once had an argument over the course of an evening and morning before I realised that I was talking about two handed swords and he was talking about Two Handed Swords.
Was literally "oh yeah you can make longer weapons out of bronze if you know how, in China they even had two handed ones"
"No it's impossible to make two handed swords out of bronze, the metal isn't strong enough"
"Err....no, you definitely can, they had quite a few of them"
"Nope, can't be done"
"Yes, it can, here's a picture, you can see how long it is"
"You're talking nonsense, it cannot be done"
This went on over the course of EIGHT HOURS before I realised what he meant.
ITS A STUPID TERM, LONGSWORDS ARE ALSO TWO HANDED.
How it probably really went back then...
Smith: "watchu want boy"
Knight: "just gimme somethin that can chopp heads off and defends me in battle"
"I gotchu"
But... If the sword is a Bastard sword, can they do reverse grip?
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Im kidding. Jejeje
Guy soldierson: Smith, sir, would you mind making a long sword.
Smith: hand over the specification's or spend the next 14 blades I smith babbling the specification's. Got it.
Guy soldierson: ok so it's a two handed...
With a man and a woman in a compromising position for a pommel.
Smith: k can do, you'll have it by this time tomorrow just as soon as you've given me 180 pounds, 40 shillings and 20 pennies.
Soldierson: (weeps as he gives the smith a quarter of his provisionary money.)
Looks like You were Fencing with Bob Marley before this🧨💨💨💨
Basically, over the past century people have started charting sword terminology to measure knowledge dicks. Nobody historically used these terminologies, even terminology like "Rapier" is a shaky subject because.. it's just another sword.
People tend to think ISO-9000 style official classifications and standardizations were always a thing, but for most of history, making just about anything was more like grandma's secret souffle recipe.
Smith, make me a something that’s too thick, too heavy, too rough and too big to be called a sword, more like a big iron bar….and can kill a dragon but I shouldn’t or the dragons will be after me as well as the apostles
*BIG FAT HONKING HINT*
😎
Every Pirate ☠️ knows, 'Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side!'. Argh!!!!
I’d like to hear you analyze movie sword fights.
I particularly like the fight from Game Of Thrones where Ser Arthur Dane kills all Ned Starks buddies with the two swords. They look so damn heavy.
Post-It Notes slapped on centuries later to overcomplicate what most just called a Sword.
On an aside, Bastard Sword was a used term. However, it was not like, a category by shape. Blades without makers' marks (and therefore of unknown origin) were "bastard swords".
So a sword you might find on the a battlefield, one that was tailor made for the dead hand that held it, THAT you might call... a BASTARD SWORD?
Great video. However, I somewhat agree. But I hold reservation. I would imagine there are far more mass-produce "swords" then custom ones. As in ever. Even back in the 15th century! That being said. I would say that there is a substantial amount more of "weapons" in general that were handcrafted. Thent have ever been mass produced. What do you think?
So you're telling me Broadswords are just Custom Fitted Longswords for 8ft *_Absolute Units_*
Even the words we have for swords in other languages the fabled "katana" is literally just the Japanese word for sword, rapier, sabre? French words for sword. Most swords throughout history were just called "sword".
I may have found a useful ish for reverse grip: MMA, taekwondo, etc stance
Idk but when I tried reverse grip, immediately took that stance
Fun (and maybe npt very true, but i like to think it is) fact: The first Emperor of the Serbian Empire, Dušan the Mighty, was so massive for the time, he wielded a 2 handed sword with 1 hand.
It’s more like an evolution… it’s hard to depict exactly what sword is what. We classify them a TON more nowadays, but at the time, it wasn’t as specific. Correct me if I’m wrong