I think you've mentioned in a few videos that - 23 LUFS is broadcast standard but - 16 LUFS is often preferred for online distribution. Any chance you could expand upon this in a future video?
On 32 bit Float…I don’t know about anyone else, but I never thought I’d see the day when you could record something with clipping or really low and still be able to adjust to make it sound good. Blows my mind.
Curtis I appreciate this. Here are some things I like (in no particular order) 1.) The notes at the beginning. Specifically the timing of them, like you understand that I can pause it if I need to which is great. 2.) Colors, I watch these at night sometimes and you keep the colors....gentle on my eyes 3.) You're cadence and voice. It's accurate, paced properly, clear, concise, relevant, and human. 4.) The info. You give us exactly what we need to know. 5.) Kindness. I see you pop up on other channels to comment sometimes and it's always kind, supportive, and makes me happy. 6.) Honesty honesty honesty. You tell it like it is. 7.) Have a great day man. Thanks for doing what you do. We random humans are ACTUAL humans that ACTUALLY appreciate you! Haha be well.
im having trouble using this as an interface for Cubase. I see all the channels in the input selection but when I hit record, there's no signal. may you please explain?
Just got the X8 and really enjoying it thus far. Coming from a mixpre 6-ii, the large touchscreen and easy to navigate UI is a godsend. As Curtis points out, the flexibility/versatility is probably what is the best thing about the X8.
I've had the DR100 MK3 for a couple years now and have not been disappointed. It has worked well even under fairly rough conditions, including heavy costal moisture in the air.
There are many reasons why yours is an excellent review but let me comment on one aspect. The lighting and product presentation is the best in the business. The colorful background, controlled depth of field combined with high res image and sharp focus make a very engaging video.
As of September 2022, one advantage being seen in the touchscreen interface is the ability to revise and enhance the feature set offered. In the last year it gained solo monitoring of inputs and channels, Bluetooth timecode support, and ability to store and retrieve configurations for input dynamics as well as three customized configurations created in the manual mode or other app modes. Supposedly other stability fixes were also made in the firmware, and on release it clearly needed some. But unlike devices whose operation is heavily defined by physical control elements, the touchscreen UI allowed them to push the device out and later revise and enhance its feature set. At first it wasn't clear how much they'd do that, and perhaps they're done now, but they probably don't have to finished as room for more improvements remain.
@@curtisjuddReally appreciate your reviews, they're kinda the go-to trusted source for me and others.. So thought this might be best place to post update. Not so related to the touchscreen interface, but it also gained the ability to serve a 32 bit interface to the computer... And the price currently has a $100 (20%) discount from the $500 release price. I'm suspecting that will stick, as it seems like where this quality level product should have been from the start... Just as your reaction to the initial price reflected. My guess is they rushed it out unpolished at a high asking price to grab the opportunity. ...The launcher wheel in the UI always had those three empty spots that were begging for a future function, Now there are three user system configs that drop into those spots on the launcher.
I have a bunch of recorders, but the X8 is probably the one I would keep if ai had to part all but one. It is a very good concept and gives you the most versaitility. A variety of inputs, a lot of ways you can attach mics to the recorder body. You also get a lot of functionality: it is a mixing board, a DSP processor, a mobile podcast studio. It can record 24 and 32 bit simultaneously. It has control apps for both iOS and Android. As audio interface it works both 24 or 32 bit now. Very- very close to perfect for my needs. And I am happy with the audio quality as well. Having said that I also have an F3 and an F8n Pro, and a few more. The X8 stacks up nicely. There are a few things in the software that could be improved on, but recording quality is on par. The only thing I find misleading is the headphone amplifier which is quity noisy. I thought it was preamp noise, but no, the recording is clean, just there is too much hiss in the headphones.
Your review is by far the best and most elaborated with detailed explanation. Now waiting for your Zoom F8n Pro review and workflow because i am gonna have one next month :D
I purchased this recorder to replace the Zoom H8 because of the following reasons: 1. The Zoom H8 has a micro-USB connector which is irritating. The X8 has a USB-C connector which is MUCH more convenient. 2. The Tascam X8 has 32 bit float recording. 3. The X8's touchscreen is far superior to the H8's touchscreen - it's not even close. 4. The X8 is far more intuitive to use. 5. Recording music on the X8 with effects like reverb is easier and it is well laid out in the app. For amateurs like me, recording my original songs on the Tascam X8 is FAR easier than the Zoom H8. With the Zoom H8, often it would not start recording when I hit the record button twice, and it was hard to see on the touchscreen to monitor what was going on. On the X8, this has not been a problem. The entire record process for music using music app or recording without the app is streamlined and laid out far better with the Tascam X8. For people new to audio recording, this is extremely helpful. 6. The recording quality of the X8 appears to be at least equal to the H8. The Tascam X8 recordings of my original songs generally sound better than those I made on the Zoom H8. I am a skilled musician and songwriter and I CAN hear the difference. I am not sure why they sound better, but they do. Without effects, the difference is not world shaking, but with effects, it is night and day. The Tascam allows amateurs to easily add effects in the music app. 7. You can control every function of the X8 from an android phone remotely via the Bluetooth dongle. On the Zoom H8, you cannot control every function and their remote dongle only works with IOS (Apple) phones or tablets. The remote function on the H8 only lets you monitor the recordings and you cannot adjust the settings remotely. Every review of the Bluetooth remote control of the X8 has said it works very well with no delay. 8. I don't have a need to record in 192 kHz. Plus to do so would require expensive microphones. One professional reviewer mentioned that not many mics have the ability to record in that high sample rate range. I will take their word for it. Having said that, the 192 kHz feature is available on the X8, but the H8 does not have this feature at all. 9. The cost is fairly equal. The X8 is about a $100.00 more. Thanks for your thorough review - it was excellent. I have two questions. Do you think there is a hearable difference between the Zoom F6 or other higher level recorder (from any manufacturer) and the Tascam X8 for music and song recording, when recorded at 44 kHz, 48 kHz and 96 kHz? If there would be a difference that is audible, what prosumer audio recorder would you recommend in the price range up to $2,000.00? Thanks, Frank Long
Thanks for sharing, Frank. I haven't found sample rates to make a big difference unless you are doing sound design work and plan to slow the sound down for sound effects. However, the 32-bit float can make a practical difference if you happen to set your gain incorrectly. So the difference between the Zoom F6 and the X8 is largely going to be dynamic range in 32-bit float mode. If you're recording REALLY loud music and you have a high quality microphone which can handle high SPLs (e.g., >130dB SPL) then the 32-bit float on the F6 is going to be a safer bet. But if you set your gain appropriately, you can make fine recordings with the X8.
@@curtisjudd Thanks, your advice is very helpful. I feel a little bit like I am in a dark room and I am trying to "feel" my way through to the light when it comes to sound recording. There is a big learning curve to understanding both audio and video recording.
For sound designers, the X8's ultrasonic noise spikes in 192K mode are definitely significant! Take a recording, drop it a few octaves, and that noise will become a high-pitched audible tone. Whether you could work around that without spoiling the sample would depend on the application.
I had a traumatic experience where I was filming an EDM festival for my first time, using the X8 to capture audio off the DJ mixer. Because I enabled pre-record for my first time, when I hit record and saw the border of the screen illuminate red and heard the inputs through my headphones I assumed it was good to go. When I went to listen back to the recording after filming all night long (New Years in Miami is wild), there was no audio captured. People need to know, this recorder must have the record button pressed twice to actually record.
I am very glad I watched this video before purchasing. The 192khz 32 bit is not really necessary for what I do and the other pitfalls were really deal killers for me, and I went with the Zoom H8 instead for its capsules and versatility.
Nice review thanks. I'm torn between the X8 and the Zoom F6 for recording rehearsals of classical music ensembles. 32 bit float is going to be a life saver so I'm sure either will be a big upgrade on a zoom h1!
Hi Curtis, great review! (as always). I’m in the same situation - recording classical music (classical guitar specifically); is your preference for the Zoom F6 due to the quality of the preamps? Many Thanks.
I have a number of both Tascam and Zoom recorders in my studio and remote equipment collection and I recently added the Zoom H8 to my larder. What tipped the scales in it's favour was it's ability to record 10 XLR microphone sources at the same time (with the 4 mic adaptor). Nothing against Tascam as I have loved their equipment over the years (especially the 680 series) but currently Zoom has generally been a few steps ahead of Tascam in sound quality (I prefer the Zoom sound over the current Tascam sound) and function while bringing upgrades to market at a reasonable price. My favourite Zoom is still my F8N but the H8 is a great portable handheld option especially with the extra microphone inputs. The H8 also has the advantage of allowing me to use all the adaptors that I purchased for my H6 thus saving me money for the specialty adaptors already owned. The H6 is a great backup for remotes when I don't need the extra microphones or when I need to record the same audio from multiple perspectives beyond ten microphones. An example being recording fireworks from two locations without wanting to run extended cabling from one recording to distant wired microphones. Although another option was to run wireless microphones and receive at a single recorder.
Very much appreciate you taking a look at this. Some of your comments make me think that they only used a single A/D converter instead of using 2 to get a wider dynamic range. Of course, with previous Tascam recorders, the safety track option extends the dynamic range by 12dB, which can be handy in situations where this is needed. Personally, I'm most disappointed by the battery life. If you got about 4 hours with lithium batteries, that would suggest NiMH batteries would only get about 2 to 2.5 hours. This makes it a no-go for me, as I tend to use these types of recorders out in nature to get ambient recordings. My money would be better spent on a set of dedicated stereo mics to go with either my Tascam DR-44wl or DR-680mkII. (Something I have been considering, although not as convenient. Handling noise is another area of disappointment, especially since these devices are supposedly made to be held while recording.
Indeed exactly as i am thinking. Their stated Dynamic Range is only 112 dB ( Left completely out of public view for specifications and had to get through email contact with the engineering department ) For Reference these two other 32 Bit Float Recorders Zoom F6 has 132 dB Dynamic Range Sound Devices Mix Pre 3 ii Series Dynamic Range is 142 dB. So at 20 dB Dynamic Range Headroom Missing compared to a Zoom F6 and 30 dB ! vs Sound Devices Mix Pre ii... That's a whole LOT of missing Headroom! So where and how did Tascam Engineers Fail at this and huge amount of missing Dynamic Range especially for 32Bit Float
Thanks Alan. The safety track recording feature increases headroom but not overall dynamic range. I believe that they used multiple converters per input, but the relatively lower dynamic range of this device vs. the Sound Devices MixPre II series is likely due to poorer quality analogue preamplifiers.
@@curtisjudd It's possible I misunderstood your comments regarding the dynamic range available, so I guess I'll watch for a comparison between this and another Tascam device to see if there's any advantage here in that regard. Regarding combining tracks to increase dynamic range, this requires special post processing and setting levels to put the louder portions of the track into the safety track (thus reducing the headroom normally reserved as a safety), but it can be done.
@@alantuttphotography Yes, understood. Note that with the safety track recording, it is potentially a bit of a compromise because on the track recorded at -12dB, the noise floor is potentially closer to the sound source, or at best, the noise floor is different and so the job of blending that can be somewhat complex. It really depends on how they implement the safety track recording feature. If they're just using a pad, it may not sound the same as if they actually used a second preamplifier with 12 dB less gain applied (like on the ZOOM F series recorders).
Great review and demo but I think I'll stick with my Zoom H6, F8N and H3VR. I also use a Tascam 680 & 680 mk2, a DR-60D mkII, a DR-70D and a HDP2 so am familiar with both Zoom and Teac-Tascam units and have found both positives and negatives over time with both companies products. Lately I have found that the Zoom products seem just slightly better for my needs but I respect and use devices from both. Your reviews have helped me come to purchase decisions and kept me informed of the new products as they come available.
Thank you for mentioning the hum above 20kHz in the higher sample rate recordings. I was so excited about this recorder but going off the reviews it's just got too many issues to make me confident in buying it.
Yes, I wouldn't have noticed it since I do not usually record at 192kHz so we have to credit several audiophiles for pointing that out. I'm not sure why hum above 20kHz is a practical concern, but thought it should be mentioned.
@@curtisjudd the concern is more for sound design purposes. When you record in the ultrasonic range you need to re-pitch those sounds to bring them into the human hearing range. So the hum on the X8 at 25kHz (even dropped by one octave) would become about 12.5kHz, well within human hearing.
Good job as usual. Seems to me that 32 bit is best as a single operator tool when you cannot mind the camera and and lighting and worry about things like Make up and what the talent is warning and the set and constantly monitor audio levels at the same time.
I like how you included a bit of musical use for this recorder Curtis. I won't be a buyer for this new Tascam recorder but it's a good trend to see 32 bit float recording now available in these consumer type recorders with onboard mic capsules. I use and love the Zoom F6 these days and have the H6 in my bag as backup when I'm recording my concerts. Thanks for the great video again!
I was waiting for your review. I ordered it anyway for the 32bit and UI has great options. I say it's real weakness is it's main selling factor is the screen breaking also expensive. I don't have a high quality audio solution I had the DR 60 that I loved but this device covers alot of ground fast with presets. Thanks
Thank you for the review.. Now waiting for Zoom H6-II with 32 bit float, USB-C connection and faster bootup. For now, the Zoom H5 continues to be budget convenience king (along with F4 for more 'pro' work)
Agree, I got the XLR-module for my H5. I can use it for lavs that do not require phantom power. With backup recording it will protect from clipping in most situations. The XLR inputs I use for boom mics. In a dialogue or interview setup it will give you three recordings of the same source, plenty to work with. The signal from the boom mic needs to be pretty hot, like Rode NTG5. Using the optional remote, removes handling noises. Adjusting gain is out with the remote but you can start, stop the recording and playback. In addition, the H5 takes full size SD cards. microSDs are more fragile. Mini USBs are sturdier than micro, also a feature of H5. Why Zoom chose microUSB for H8 is beyond reason.
I've been waiting/hoping you would do a review of this as there are not that many quality reviews out there for this recorder. I've been seriously considering getting this unit since it was announced but there seemed to be a a lot of minor bugs with it and I couldn't decide between this and the Sony PCM-D10. The Sony interface isn't as fancy as the Tascam but Sonys just seem to work. Thanks for the review.
Just a quick comment on the internal amplifiers for 32 bit recording. I am a singer/song writer and have written dozens of original songs. My songs have a large vocal range and can go up to "D" above middle "C," which is an operatic level. Right now I am recording my songs for copywriting. Using the suppled mics in 24 bit 48.1 Khtz mode, I just set up the record levels on the recorder to what I think will work. I have found that even if the levels go into the "red" , where it should clip, it doesn't clip. In fact, I have had a hard time getting the X8 to clip at all under normal use. Out of curiosity, I raised the gain too high and tried to get it to clip. It did clip in this situation. I also set the gain at normal levels and shouted into the mics up close and it just clipped a little in this case, which is pretty impressive. So I am saying, for singer songwriters, this recorder is exceptionally flexible and easy to use. I also purchased the Zoom H8 and it was NOT easy to use. In fact, the Zoom H8 was so buggy, that I returned it. The Zoom H8 was clumsy to use, hard to follow the Zoom work flow logic, and the record function would not turn on at times when I pushed the record button twice (which was VERY irritating). There were a lot of things I really didn't like about the H8 recorder. Probably if a person is recording 192 Khtz, 32 bit recordings a lot, they should be purchasing a higher end audio recorder anyway. If they use Tascam X8 for field recordings, I don't think they will be disappointed. I have not been able to HEAR any discernable noise added by the unit. I get that they are concerned about inaudible noise that is added, but I am not sure why. If humans can't hear it, then what is the point? I guess if you boost the recording in post production or something like that (I am not an audio expert by any means) then it might be an issue. If I was recording in 32 bit, 192 Khtz levels, my first concern would be the quality of the mics I was using, not the indiscernible noise below human hearing from the X8 unit. Though, again, I am not an expert, based on what experts have said, it appears that to record at these high levels you need some very expensive mics with high dynamic ranges. I agree with you that the Tascam X8 audio record quality is better than the Zoom H8. Both are very good, but the Tascam has better dynamic range and the included mics have better sensitivity. I had trouble getting the Zoom H8 included mics to pic up my guitar and vocals at the same time and I had to place the unit very close to me, which was irritating. The Tascam X8 allows me to set the unit back three or four feet and get great recordings.
part of me thinks it's interesting that it has basically an android phone built in... but a bigger part of me wishes these things were just hard knobs and switches. I cant stand dealing with touch screen in the field.
Dear Patrick, I think we could all benefit from more analogue controls. And we could all benefit from some of the food you photograph as well. I hope some day to share a meal with you. 🙏
Thank you so much for the excellent review; I've been waiting for your take on this unit. The X8 looks really interesting for many use cases, but I'm left wishing Tascam put the R&D into different areas. Personally, I'd rather have something like a Zoom H5 (smaller, more physical controls) but with improved preamps and headphone amp rather than 32bit recording and a big screen with lots of presets. The X8 looks like it might be a super versatile and popular device after a few minor revisions to fix it's early issues, but I'm left wondering if a Centrance Mixerface (top of my budget :-) might be a better option for my uses. Or maybe Zoom will upgrade the H5 with improved preamps :-) hope springs eternal! Anyway, thank you again so much for your excellent channel and review.
My ideal recorder at this form factor would be the H6 but with locking xlr inputs, locking faders, better preamps, better headphone amp and a quieter stereo mic. That's a lot I know but competitors offer all of that. What I like about the H6 is actually it's interface. Easy to control faders on the fly. Easy to arm/solo any track in the click of a button. The essentials are right in front of you and don't require a screen and menu to navigate.
great video thanks! I've just bought the X8 and have a shoot coming up where they plan to use Tentacle Sync and send me audio timecode to sync up later in post. How do I mute the timecode monitor channel so I don't have it coming through the headphones?
I've been looking at the Zoom H recorders for a few years now and couldn't get my head around the fact that they still don't use USB C. So bought this immediately (can't use your links for EU), but did subscribe :-)
The Zoom XYH-5 XY stero mic capsule module has a _bit_ of shock isolation between the mic capsules and the frame. Each mic capsule is suspended by a small rubber gasket that does a decent job of at least partially reducing handling noise.
Hey Curtis lovely review as usual. I have always wanted to capture ambient sound for my videos in my rides. This fits the bill. And please re edit your pros you have repeated removable XY mic twice (unless I want to put it back on and remove it again to see it’s pros 😅)
Amazing review first and foremost. However, a few concerns. 1) There are only a few DAW's or video editors that can process 32bit float audio. FCPX & PP can, but your files will be outlandishly large. Or you could get fold back aliasing when it gets downgraded from 32bit to 24. The second problem, is that many podcasting apps like "Ferrite" offer 32bit floating audio, and the app is only $30 for the paid version. You can use your iPhone or iPad and avoid this thing all together. Third. You can get near perfect audio with dbx 286s, & a cloud lifter for your mic. A bit more equipment, but the sound is perfect, plug that into the Ferrite app and you're golden. Fourth. Digital audio is on the rise. Sony just made a hot shoe mounted shotgun mic that only uses the digital signal input. This completely eliminates the noise from the cameras preamps. Once these kinds of mics get popular, 3.5mm & XLR mics will be obsolete. I don't see the utility of these kinds of devices in the modern era. I could be wrong, but audio recorders like this, that still use preamps and not digital audio seem a bit antiquated.
Important note: Digital microphones are hybrid devices with analogue capsules and digital converters. This does NOT eliminate self-noise. How much self-noise they generate depends on the quality of the analogue and digital circuitry.
Curtis , you are our audio King , thank you so much for explaining everything so thoroughly to us mere mortals!! I can’t make a single audio related purchase without checking out your opinions first! Let me ask you one thing my friend… I do a lot of video work with doctors, dentists and etc for social media… been using lavalier mics but wanted to step up my game , so I picked up a mkh 416 this week… would you say that this tascam would be a good combination with it?? I would use mostly for spoken word… Thank you so much my friend
Looks like a nice gui on top of the legacy tascam recorders. The 32 bit is nice for event recordings where there is occasionally poorly setup music, which can be very loud but not something that you can always pre setup. Overall it's a nice option for those that this fits their workflow. Thanks
feels like its in a weird spot with the F6 a little above with better pre amps, more xlr inputs ect and the F3 below if you just need 2 channels of 32bit float but I don't see what tascam could do here.
Hey! Do you know if it's possible to record different channels to one file with multiple tracks. Whenever I record i get every track as an individual file, which makes sorting everything a pain.
Announced today: “With the introduction of the V1.30 firmware update, the Portacapture X8 now has the capability to use 32-bit float point resolution when using the unit as a USB audio interface to a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). This facilitates wider dynamic range, higher resolution, and greater audio quality for better overall record quality. The 32-bit float technology enables audio to be dynamically controlled and edited virtually without limitations. Clipped audio segments can easily be corrected and, similarly, low level audio passages can be adjusted to a higher dB level. Paul Youngblood, Director of Product Marketing at TASCAM, commented on the new features offered by the V1.30 firmware update, “The Portacapture X8 has proven itself to be a full-featured, powerful handheld recorder both on its own or when used in tandem with a computer. As a company, we strive to listen carefully to our users, as this enables us to learn first-hand how our equipment gets used in a wide range of applications-and the V1.30 update is a perfect example of this. We’ve taken the most requested capabilities and turned those into new features that make the Portacapture X8 even more versatile and useful.”
@@curtisjudd “The USB MIX MINUS function can now be used in the PODCAST app. This can suppress the occurrence of echoes in audio from remote participants when capturing podcasts.”
I'm now seeing B&H selling device for $400, or $450 with the Bluetooth and storage card. Let's hope that holds. I needed a step up and reluctantly bought one for $100 more months ago, but with the current price and feature set, it's now looking like a more obvious recommendation for a top-end handheld recorder. I suspect they're hoping to grab a bunch of that market from Zoom. So long as Zoom lacks a similar handheld, Tascam should be incentivised to keep improving the Portacapture. There are some things in hardware and UI design that leave opportunities for Zoom. Still, I suspect 32bit float recording and a flexible touchscreen interface are winning design elements for the next generation of multipurpose handhelds.
Thank you for the video. I have to say that is still need some work. It often freezes when you use the bluetooth connection and ruin the record. When using for a longer period it also freezes or shutdown by itself without using bluetooth.
@@curtisjudd I heard some people had similar issues. I used it yesterday with bluetooth connection and it did freeze again, very annoying. I don"t now if it"s a bad badge i got or something else.
It’s a tad bit disappointing that the X8 has so many issues from what I’ve seen, especially for $500. Luckily for me, I found a Mixpre 3 II for $500 and returned this unit. Hoping that Tascam learns from their mistakes.
The review did not list a lot of issues, neither have other professional reviews. I am not sure what you are referring to. Also, Sound Devices recorders are one of the best, no doubt, but they cost a lot more than this device and they are nowhere near as easy to use.
@@curtisjudd Ah ok, so there are no actual problems with the device, everything is working as intended... It just depends on the scenario if it's the right tool to use? Because the comment sounded like there are actual mistakes and issues...
The X8 is super useful for me because of the class-compliant USB audio interface functionality. My work IT does not allow non-approved software to be installed, including drivers. The X8 works great as an audio interface; I'm currently using the Earthworks Ethos as my work mic. When I tried the Rode A1, for whatever reason, the audio quality was compromised. With the X8, it is as it should be. I'm thinking a lot has to do with my crappy work-provided laptop, but also whatever differences there are in class-compliant standards between the two devices I tried. It's important to note that you need to match the sample rate between your computer and X8, so 48kHz across both devices. Also important to note that the in-built processing (gate, compressor/limiter, EQ, etc.) cannot be used when the sample rate is set at 192kHz on the X8; you'll get an error message on the X8 when trying to connect it as an audio interface.
@@spritual_enlightenment compared to the mixpre series? 1). Love the large touch screen, 2). Easy, clean and intuituve to navigate UI. I barely needed the manual to understand how to use it right off the bat. Due to small screen, the mixpre settings and UI is buried in multiple layers of screens and button pressing to access, 3). Really enjoy the built in effects (i.e compressor, reverb etc...). Especially impromptu music recordings, just record on the X8 music preset with compressor and little reverb with built-in mic, and you can get some amazing recordings 4). Mixpre preamps are better but to get 32bit and this many channels, ur looking at $1k for the comparable mixpre-6ii. X8 may be less 'pro' but it is more versatile and $500 cheaper for a comparable sound. 5). Looks are subjective, but i just think the X8 is a great looking device versus the mixpre and zoom offerings 6). This is a flagship portable sound recorder product for Tascam so I believe they will fix some of the early issues with future updates 7). Curtis didn't cover it. but the Bluetooth functionality is pretty darn good (I'm on Android). It's so convenient and opens up alot of different new use cases. Cons (what i don't like about the X8 after a month of use): 1). Need a way to completely turn off the display during recording if u want, 2). The way channel 1 & 2 is mapped is weird so it makes using the X8 as dedicated audio device for ur computer unusable. This should be an easy software update fix i think tho 3). no time code 4). due to form factor, it's not able to be used in a traditional sound bag like the mixpre series. This is not really a con for me but I know most pros in the field, this would be a big deal breaker for them 5). Small complaint, but it should have come with a windscreen 6). Wish it had a lithium rechargeable internal battery but to keep it at $500, they had to cut somewhere I guess
Thank you for a great review! You mention other recorders you have tested with lower self noise than the X8. Can't stretch to Sound Devices prices right now but if you have any thoughts on low self noise portable field recorders that would be really appreciated. I am considering a Zoom F3 to replace my H4N.
@@curtisjudd I was finally able to figure out how to record on the X8 from your presentation. Now am going to try to get recording connected to camera. Thank you
That is the type of video when you have 0 info about a product, after you watching it, you do informed decision. Thank you. I have 2 questions tho. Will describe my scenario then at the end will ask. I have to record a podcast with 4 people. Will be using one set of rode wireless go 2 and one DJI wireless mic. Since there will be multiple tracks, when I will sync them, I am sure that will get that "phasing", "echoing" effect a lot. Have to turn off all fhe tracks in post except the one speaking in order to ger crispy audio. I will be using only 2 inputs on recorder, every input will have a track from 2 mics. Question 1: can the recorder make a track baking all together both tracks. Question 2: is the recorder going to mix it down without that "echoing, phasing, bleeding sound" from other mics? I am trying to save time in post production. So I don't have to cut individualy tracks. Thank you a lot. Have a productive week.
1) You'll need an input for each mic if you want to treat each mic independently in post. In other words, you'll need 3.5mm to dual XLR adapter for each wireless receiver. 2) No, if they're out of phase, the recorder won't fix that for you. If there is a phase invert (I can't remember whether this has that feature per input), then you might be able to reduce the effect a touch. The biggest thing you can do is space people away from each other to reduce that effect.
I was looking to upgrade from my H4N Pro and I love the user interface of the X8 but the preamps seem no better for double the money so it's looking like the F6.
I regard your channel as the top of the heap of audio channels for my level. I have a question (for anyone): I don't understand why everyone's primary concern and reasoning for 32 bit float is clipping. In my small sample-size of polling other people that record for video, etc. is that our primary enticement is raising the levels of really quiet recordings without raising the noise floor. Who is out there peaking everything? Not to say it doesn't happen, but the number of times the emotional person is virtually whispering or cry-talking into the microphone over peaking may be considerably more prevalent. Also in scene dialog, speaking at a low volume and having the ability to have really dynamic dialog is wonderful... so the question is, do operators really have that many problems with peaking? Does no one out there have issues with quiet recordings? Thanks.
Yes, both. Solo operators have a lot going so missing a setting happens. That's where the clipping protection helps. Wide dynamic range is also a challenge, but it is more specialized. And 32-bit float, by itself, doesn't always result in wider dynamic range unless it is coupled with a quality microphone and quality converters. In that case, I have found that the noise floor can be a little better as well.
Great review as always Curtis. We will publish our own look at the X8 in a few weeks (we got it alongside some Tascam headphones). I really liked my old DR700D, it didn't have the best pre-amps or the most features but it was so easy to operate, much more intuitive than our current Mix Pre 3 workhorse (especially in advanced mode). Anyway, we will see how things go with this one - my perspective is going to be more on ease of operation as I believe this unit is not designed for the same target audience as the Mix Pre or even the equivalent Zoom recorders. P.S. did you see our Rycote mic review? we actually got them very early on but it took us forever to finish the review...
what is the single file max record length? Is it limited length of time per recording session? We plan on using a 512 GB card with DC external power, but many of these units still limit the length of single recording files.
Yes, will be interesting to see if Zoom brings wide dynamic range recording to their H series recorders. My sense is that they’ll need to develop a better preamp to make it worthwhile.
Thank you for a comprehensive review Curtis. Not exactly related to the content, but will you please share the identity of the mounting plate you used, seen at about 15:13 in the video? Looks like a nice, large, accessible 1/4-20 thumb wheel within a frame that might also include additional attachment points for a battery tray or other useful accessories. Thanks again, - James Audial Delta LLC Manassas, VA
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This video is normalized to -23 LUFS so that I didn't have to do any post processing and so you can hear how it sounds directly out of the recorder.
Is it possible to apply internal effects such as compressors and preset effects to the audio that has been recorded on this recorder?
@@OMTEKNO While it is recording, yes.
I think you've mentioned in a few videos that - 23 LUFS is broadcast standard but - 16 LUFS is often preferred for online distribution. Any chance you could expand upon this in a future video?
@@DanielSRosehill Yes, here: th-cam.com/video/nOzZKEWJ5wk/w-d-xo.html
Which one has better preamps, the Tascam DR100 MKIII or the Portacapture X8?
Great coverage, Curtis! Thanks.
Thanks Gerald!
On 32 bit Float…I don’t know about anyone else, but I never thought I’d see the day when you could record something with clipping or really low and still be able to adjust to make it sound good. Blows my mind.
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Curtis I appreciate this. Here are some things I like (in no particular order)
1.) The notes at the beginning. Specifically the timing of them, like you understand that I can pause it if I need to which is great.
2.) Colors, I watch these at night sometimes and you keep the colors....gentle on my eyes
3.) You're cadence and voice. It's accurate, paced properly, clear, concise, relevant, and human.
4.) The info. You give us exactly what we need to know.
5.) Kindness. I see you pop up on other channels to comment sometimes and it's always kind, supportive, and makes me happy.
6.) Honesty honesty honesty. You tell it like it is.
7.) Have a great day man. Thanks for doing what you do. We random humans are ACTUAL humans that ACTUALLY appreciate you! Haha be well.
Thanks Geodesic Interpolation!
PS - Do you so some sort of cartography or Geosciences work? Curious based on the name...
Man! Did you have to say it all? You stole all of my thoughts. I've been learning from Curtis since 2018. Much love Sir, you've helped me greatly.
Easily the best review I've seen for this product (and similar). Thanks so much!
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I brought it two weeks ago. I was waiting for this review. I like the interface and ease of use. It's a great piece of kit.
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im having trouble using this as an interface for Cubase. I see all the channels in the input selection but when I hit record, there's no signal. may you please explain?
@@AlternativeKava Probably best to contact Tascam support for help. Best wishes!
Bought a Tascam Portacapture X8 on the strength of this clear and comprehensive review! Thanks, Curtis.
Happy recording!
Just got the X8 and really enjoying it thus far. Coming from a mixpre 6-ii, the large touchscreen and easy to navigate UI is a godsend. As Curtis points out, the flexibility/versatility is probably what is the best thing about the X8.
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Does it sound as good as mixpre though there preamps are amazing
I've had the DR100 MK3 for a couple years now and have not been disappointed. It has worked well even under fairly rough conditions, including heavy costal moisture in the air.
Thanks for sharing, Ernie!
There are many reasons why yours is an excellent review but let me comment on one aspect. The lighting and product presentation is the best in the business. The colorful background, controlled depth of field combined with high res image and sharp focus make a very engaging video.
Thanks Allen.
Always love a new Curtis Judd video! Thanks for making these videos, really helps to find what gear to get and just fun getting knowledge on things
Thanks Kyle.
As of September 2022, one advantage being seen in the touchscreen interface is the ability to revise and enhance the feature set offered. In the last year it gained solo monitoring of inputs and channels, Bluetooth timecode support, and ability to store and retrieve configurations for input dynamics as well as three customized configurations created in the manual mode or other app modes. Supposedly other stability fixes were also made in the firmware, and on release it clearly needed some. But unlike devices whose operation is heavily defined by physical control elements, the touchscreen UI allowed them to push the device out and later revise and enhance its feature set. At first it wasn't clear how much they'd do that, and perhaps they're done now, but they probably don't have to finished as room for more improvements remain.
Thanks for the update.
@@curtisjuddReally appreciate your reviews, they're kinda the go-to trusted source for me and others..
So thought this might be best place to post update.
Not so related to the touchscreen interface, but it also gained the ability to serve a 32 bit interface to the computer...
And the price currently has a $100 (20%) discount from the $500 release price.
I'm suspecting that will stick, as it seems like where this quality level product should have been from the start... Just as your reaction to the initial price reflected.
My guess is they rushed it out unpolished at a high asking price to grab the opportunity. ...The launcher wheel in the UI always had those three empty spots that were begging for a future function, Now there are three user system configs that drop into those spots on the launcher.
I have a bunch of recorders, but the X8 is probably the one I would keep if ai had to part all but one. It is a very good concept and gives you the most versaitility. A variety of inputs, a lot of ways you can attach mics to the recorder body. You also get a lot of functionality: it is a mixing board, a DSP processor, a mobile podcast studio. It can record 24 and 32 bit simultaneously. It has control apps for both iOS and Android. As audio interface it works both 24 or 32 bit now. Very- very close to perfect for my needs. And I am happy with the audio quality as well. Having said that I also have an F3 and an F8n Pro, and a few more. The X8 stacks up nicely. There are a few things in the software that could be improved on, but recording quality is on par. The only thing I find misleading is the headphone amplifier which is quity noisy. I thought it was preamp noise, but no, the recording is clean, just there is too much hiss in the headphones.
Glad it works well for you!
Nice! I love it! I'm addicted to taking high quality audio samples of more than just speech. I really like this channel! Subscribed. Great video!
Thanks Luke and happy recording!
Your review is by far the best and most elaborated with detailed explanation. Now waiting for your Zoom F8n Pro review and workflow because i am gonna have one next month :D
I have the F8n on pre-order so hoping to do that review soon.
I purchased this recorder to replace the Zoom H8 because of the following reasons:
1. The Zoom H8 has a micro-USB connector which is irritating. The X8 has a USB-C connector which is MUCH more convenient.
2. The Tascam X8 has 32 bit float recording.
3. The X8's touchscreen is far superior to the H8's touchscreen - it's not even close.
4. The X8 is far more intuitive to use.
5. Recording music on the X8 with effects like reverb is easier and it is well laid out in the app. For amateurs like me, recording my original songs on the Tascam X8 is FAR easier than the Zoom H8. With the Zoom H8, often it would not start recording when I hit the record button twice, and it was hard to see on the touchscreen to monitor what was going on. On the X8, this has not been a problem. The entire record process for music using music app or recording without the app is streamlined and laid out far better with the Tascam X8. For people new to audio recording, this is extremely helpful.
6. The recording quality of the X8 appears to be at least equal to the H8. The Tascam X8 recordings of my original songs generally sound better than those I made on the Zoom H8. I am a skilled musician and songwriter and I CAN hear the difference. I am not sure why they sound better, but they do. Without effects, the difference is not world shaking, but with effects, it is night and day. The Tascam allows amateurs to easily add effects in the music app.
7. You can control every function of the X8 from an android phone remotely via the Bluetooth dongle. On the Zoom H8, you cannot control every function and their remote dongle only works with IOS (Apple) phones or tablets. The remote function on the H8 only lets you monitor the recordings and you cannot adjust the settings remotely. Every review of the Bluetooth remote control of the X8 has said it works very well with no delay.
8. I don't have a need to record in 192 kHz. Plus to do so would require expensive microphones. One professional reviewer mentioned that not many mics have the ability to record in that high sample rate range. I will take their word for it. Having said that, the 192 kHz feature is available on the X8, but the H8 does not have this feature at all.
9. The cost is fairly equal. The X8 is about a $100.00 more.
Thanks for your thorough review - it was excellent.
I have two questions. Do you think there is a hearable difference between the Zoom F6 or other higher level recorder (from any manufacturer) and the Tascam X8 for music and song recording, when recorded at 44 kHz, 48 kHz and 96 kHz? If there would be a difference that is audible, what prosumer audio recorder would you recommend in the price range up to $2,000.00?
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Thanks for sharing, Frank. I haven't found sample rates to make a big difference unless you are doing sound design work and plan to slow the sound down for sound effects. However, the 32-bit float can make a practical difference if you happen to set your gain incorrectly. So the difference between the Zoom F6 and the X8 is largely going to be dynamic range in 32-bit float mode. If you're recording REALLY loud music and you have a high quality microphone which can handle high SPLs (e.g., >130dB SPL) then the 32-bit float on the F6 is going to be a safer bet. But if you set your gain appropriately, you can make fine recordings with the X8.
@@curtisjudd Thanks, your advice is very helpful. I feel a little bit like I am in a dark room and I am trying to "feel" my way through to the light when it comes to sound recording. There is a big learning curve to understanding both audio and video recording.
For sound designers, the X8's ultrasonic noise spikes in 192K mode are definitely significant! Take a recording, drop it a few octaves, and that noise will become a high-pitched audible tone. Whether you could work around that without spoiling the sample would depend on the application.
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This problem has not been fixed in the new firmwares ?
Awesome. Now Tascam and Zoom are on the same pace 😍. I really like the design of TASCAM Portacapture X8. The UI is absolutely simple yet futuristic.
I do like the UI quite a bit more on the X8 vs. the ZOOM H8 and H6.
I had a traumatic experience where I was filming an EDM festival for my first time, using the X8 to capture audio off the DJ mixer. Because I enabled pre-record for my first time, when I hit record and saw the border of the screen illuminate red and heard the inputs through my headphones I assumed it was good to go. When I went to listen back to the recording after filming all night long (New Years in Miami is wild), there was no audio captured. People need to know, this recorder must have the record button pressed twice to actually record.
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20:24 You are amazing. That question was literally in my head and I was about to write that question in the comments. Great efforts, well appreciated.
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Wow! What a great review as always. Thanks so very much!!! :D
Thanks so much!
I am very glad I watched this video before purchasing. The 192khz 32 bit is not really necessary for what I do and the other pitfalls were really deal killers for me, and I went with the Zoom H8 instead for its capsules and versatility.
Happy recording!
im really waiting for this video. I have heard a lot of problems of the Portacapture X8 and I was waiting for your review to make a good decision.
I hope it was helpful.
Nice review thanks. I'm torn between the X8 and the Zoom F6 for recording rehearsals of classical music ensembles. 32 bit float is going to be a life saver so I'm sure either will be a big upgrade on a zoom h1!
I’d opt for the F6.
Hi Curtis, great review! (as always). I’m in the same situation - recording classical music (classical guitar specifically); is your preference for the Zoom F6 due to the quality of the preamps? Many Thanks.
Very detailed review - nice work Curtis!
Thanks David.
You're great reviewer.... Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences... It's appreciated
My pleasure! Thanks!
well, at the rist of making these comments seem repetitive, thank you for the wonderful video Curtis! An amazing review of a pretty unique product!
Thanks Isaac.
Thanks Curtis for this review. Definitely not wasting my time or money on this device. Nice review.
Thanks Johnny.
The reverb on the Tascam is still #1
Nice for musicians.
@@curtisjudd Very nice - plus 2 condenser microphones - set apart to create a stereo delay - very amazing
I have a number of both Tascam and Zoom recorders in my studio and remote equipment collection and I recently added the Zoom H8 to my larder. What tipped the scales in it's favour was it's ability to record 10 XLR microphone sources at the same time (with the 4 mic adaptor). Nothing against Tascam as I have loved their equipment over the years (especially the 680 series) but currently Zoom has generally been a few steps ahead of Tascam in sound quality (I prefer the Zoom sound over the current Tascam sound) and function while bringing upgrades to market at a reasonable price. My favourite Zoom is still my F8N but the H8 is a great portable handheld option especially with the extra microphone inputs. The H8 also has the advantage of allowing me to use all the adaptors that I purchased for my H6 thus saving me money for the specialty adaptors already owned. The H6 is a great backup for remotes when I don't need the extra microphones or when I need to record the same audio from multiple perspectives beyond ten microphones. An example being recording fireworks from two locations without wanting to run extended cabling from one recording to distant wired microphones. Although another option was to run wireless microphones and receive at a single recorder.
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Very much appreciate you taking a look at this. Some of your comments make me think that they only used a single A/D converter instead of using 2 to get a wider dynamic range. Of course, with previous Tascam recorders, the safety track option extends the dynamic range by 12dB, which can be handy in situations where this is needed. Personally, I'm most disappointed by the battery life. If you got about 4 hours with lithium batteries, that would suggest NiMH batteries would only get about 2 to 2.5 hours. This makes it a no-go for me, as I tend to use these types of recorders out in nature to get ambient recordings. My money would be better spent on a set of dedicated stereo mics to go with either my Tascam DR-44wl or DR-680mkII. (Something I have been considering, although not as convenient. Handling noise is another area of disappointment, especially since these devices are supposedly made to be held while recording.
Indeed exactly as i am thinking. Their stated Dynamic Range is only 112 dB ( Left completely out of public view for specifications and had to get through email contact with the engineering department )
For Reference these two other 32 Bit Float Recorders Zoom F6 has 132 dB Dynamic Range
Sound Devices Mix Pre 3 ii Series Dynamic Range is 142 dB.
So at 20 dB Dynamic Range Headroom Missing compared to a Zoom F6 and 30 dB ! vs Sound Devices Mix Pre ii... That's a whole LOT of missing Headroom!
So where and how did Tascam Engineers Fail at this and huge amount of missing Dynamic Range especially for 32Bit Float
@@BushMasterThermal likely in the analogue preamps.
Thanks Alan. The safety track recording feature increases headroom but not overall dynamic range. I believe that they used multiple converters per input, but the relatively lower dynamic range of this device vs. the Sound Devices MixPre II series is likely due to poorer quality analogue preamplifiers.
@@curtisjudd It's possible I misunderstood your comments regarding the dynamic range available, so I guess I'll watch for a comparison between this and another Tascam device to see if there's any advantage here in that regard. Regarding combining tracks to increase dynamic range, this requires special post processing and setting levels to put the louder portions of the track into the safety track (thus reducing the headroom normally reserved as a safety), but it can be done.
@@alantuttphotography Yes, understood. Note that with the safety track recording, it is potentially a bit of a compromise because on the track recorded at -12dB, the noise floor is potentially closer to the sound source, or at best, the noise floor is different and so the job of blending that can be somewhat complex. It really depends on how they implement the safety track recording feature. If they're just using a pad, it may not sound the same as if they actually used a second preamplifier with 12 dB less gain applied (like on the ZOOM F series recorders).
Thanks for another great review, Mr Judd.
Thanks Nik.
Really powerful content. Thank you.
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Excellent review, thanks for the attention to detail.
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I can't wait until you do a review of the Zoom F3. Also the F8n Pro.
Both on preorder. 👍
Great review and demo but I think I'll stick with my Zoom H6, F8N and H3VR. I also use a Tascam 680 & 680 mk2, a DR-60D mkII, a DR-70D and a HDP2 so am familiar with both Zoom and Teac-Tascam units and have found both positives and negatives over time with both companies products. Lately I have found that the Zoom products seem just slightly better for my needs but I respect and use devices from both. Your reviews have helped me come to purchase decisions and kept me informed of the new products as they come available.
Thanks Chris. Happy recording!
I just bought the zoom H6. its ooooooold tech and very limiting as a multitrack, returning it asap, unfortunately. nice as a simple mic though.
Thank you for mentioning the hum above 20kHz in the higher sample rate recordings. I was so excited about this recorder but going off the reviews it's just got too many issues to make me confident in buying it.
Yes, I wouldn't have noticed it since I do not usually record at 192kHz so we have to credit several audiophiles for pointing that out. I'm not sure why hum above 20kHz is a practical concern, but thought it should be mentioned.
@@curtisjudd the concern is more for sound design purposes. When you record in the ultrasonic range you need to re-pitch those sounds to bring them into the human hearing range. So the hum on the X8 at 25kHz (even dropped by one octave) would become about 12.5kHz, well within human hearing.
@@WilliamMorrisMusic fair point and I stand - happily - corrected. Thank you.
@@curtisjudd you're very welcome good sir. It is probably one of the more niche uses for the recorder, for a lot of users it won't be an issue at all.
hahah, I love the expression when discussing the price. Thanks for another great review.
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Formating the disk is VERY IMPORTANT - Thanks
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Good job as usual. Seems to me that 32 bit is best as a single operator tool when you cannot mind the camera and and lighting and worry about things like Make up and what the talent is warning and the set and constantly monitor audio levels at the same time.
Yes, or when recording extremely dynamic sound effects.
I like how you included a bit of musical use for this recorder Curtis. I won't be a buyer for this new Tascam recorder but it's a good trend to see 32 bit float recording now available in these consumer type recorders with onboard mic capsules. I use and love the Zoom F6 these days and have the H6 in my bag as backup when I'm recording my concerts. Thanks for the great video again!
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Good choice! I have the same two recorders (and the F8n but will soon upgrade to F8n pro)
I was waiting for your review. I ordered it anyway for the 32bit and UI has great options. I say it's real weakness is it's main selling factor is the screen breaking also expensive. I don't have a high quality audio solution I had the DR 60 that I loved but this device covers alot of ground fast with presets. Thanks
Happy recording!
I really wish that ZOOM could release the new H6n with 32bit/192khz in the same form factor as current H6
Well, they may have more motivation to do that now. 😀
Thank you for the review.. Now waiting for Zoom H6-II with 32 bit float, USB-C connection and faster bootup. For now, the Zoom H5 continues to be budget convenience king (along with F4 for more 'pro' work)
You're welcome. Happy recording!
Agree, I got the XLR-module for my H5. I can use it for lavs that do not require phantom power. With backup recording it will protect from clipping in most situations. The XLR inputs I use for boom mics. In a dialogue or interview setup it will give you three recordings of the same source, plenty to work with. The signal from the boom mic needs to be pretty hot, like Rode NTG5. Using the optional remote, removes handling noises. Adjusting gain is out with the remote but you can start, stop the recording and playback.
In addition, the H5 takes full size SD cards. microSDs are more fragile. Mini USBs are sturdier than micro, also a feature of H5. Why Zoom chose microUSB for H8 is beyond reason.
I've been waiting/hoping you would do a review of this as there are not that many quality reviews out there for this recorder. I've been seriously considering getting this unit since it was announced but there seemed to be a a lot of minor bugs with it and I couldn't decide between this and the Sony PCM-D10. The Sony interface isn't as fancy as the Tascam but Sonys just seem to work. Thanks for the review.
You're welcome and happy recording to you!
Nice in depth review as always! Side note, love the edit at 18:03 😆
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Just a quick comment on the internal amplifiers for 32 bit recording. I am a singer/song writer and have written dozens of original songs. My songs have a large vocal range and can go up to "D" above middle "C," which is an operatic level. Right now I am recording my songs for copywriting. Using the suppled mics in 24 bit 48.1 Khtz mode, I just set up the record levels on the recorder to what I think will work. I have found that even if the levels go into the "red" , where it should clip, it doesn't clip. In fact, I have had a hard time getting the X8 to clip at all under normal use. Out of curiosity, I raised the gain too high and tried to get it to clip. It did clip in this situation. I also set the gain at normal levels and shouted into the mics up close and it just clipped a little in this case, which is pretty impressive. So I am saying, for singer songwriters, this recorder is exceptionally flexible and easy to use. I also purchased the Zoom H8 and it was NOT easy to use. In fact, the Zoom H8 was so buggy, that I returned it. The Zoom H8 was clumsy to use, hard to follow the Zoom work flow logic, and the record function would not turn on at times when I pushed the record button twice (which was VERY irritating). There were a lot of things I really didn't like about the H8 recorder.
Probably if a person is recording 192 Khtz, 32 bit recordings a lot, they should be purchasing a higher end audio recorder anyway. If they use Tascam X8 for field recordings, I don't think they will be disappointed. I have not been able to HEAR any discernable noise added by the unit. I get that they are concerned about inaudible noise that is added, but I am not sure why. If humans can't hear it, then what is the point? I guess if you boost the recording in post production or something like that (I am not an audio expert by any means) then it might be an issue. If I was recording in 32 bit, 192 Khtz levels, my first concern would be the quality of the mics I was using, not the indiscernible noise below human hearing from the X8 unit. Though, again, I am not an expert, based on what experts have said, it appears that to record at these high levels you need some very expensive mics with high dynamic ranges.
I agree with you that the Tascam X8 audio record quality is better than the Zoom H8. Both are very good, but the Tascam has better dynamic range and the included mics have better sensitivity. I had trouble getting the Zoom H8 included mics to pic up my guitar and vocals at the same time and I had to place the unit very close to me, which was irritating. The Tascam X8 allows me to set the unit back three or four feet and get great recordings.
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Buying one. Decision point 13:04 the recovery abilities are amazing.
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@@curtisjudd are use the affiliate link on the video. Very excited to get this. It will be replacing an old Tascam DR60D MKII.
@@GaryStockton 👍 Affiliate links are all up to date. Happy recording!
Excellent review and tips. Mine just came so I can record quality audio and use in tracks later on.
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Yup, waiting for that Zoom F3 review. Glad you mentioned it. 😂😂😂
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part of me thinks it's interesting that it has basically an android phone built in... but a bigger part of me wishes these things were just hard knobs and switches. I cant stand dealing with touch screen in the field.
Dear Patrick, I think we could all benefit from more analogue controls. And we could all benefit from some of the food you photograph as well. I hope some day to share a meal with you. 🙏
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Thank you so much for the excellent review; I've been waiting for your take on this unit. The X8 looks really interesting for many use cases, but I'm left wishing Tascam put the R&D into different areas. Personally, I'd rather have something like a Zoom H5 (smaller, more physical controls) but with improved preamps and headphone amp rather than 32bit recording and a big screen with lots of presets. The X8 looks like it might be a super versatile and popular device after a few minor revisions to fix it's early issues, but I'm left wondering if a Centrance Mixerface (top of my budget :-) might be a better option for my uses. Or maybe Zoom will upgrade the H5 with improved preamps :-) hope springs eternal! Anyway, thank you again so much for your excellent channel and review.
Thanks Don. I think it largely depends on what you record. 32-bit float on the Tascam for spoken word recording is quite good.
My ideal recorder at this form factor would be the H6 but with locking xlr inputs, locking faders, better preamps, better headphone amp and a quieter stereo mic. That's a lot I know but competitors offer all of that. What I like about the H6 is actually it's interface. Easy to control faders on the fly. Easy to arm/solo any track in the click of a button. The essentials are right in front of you and don't require a screen and menu to navigate.
Could not wait for your review... I'm upgrading from the DR-100MK iii
It's sad they didn't include an INTERNAL LITHIUM BATTERY like the old version...
Oh, yes, I completely forgot about that. The DR-100mkII also had that.
This was very helpful, thank you Curtis
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Very informative video - Thank you Curtis.
Thanks Peter.
Was that Irish music at the start Curtis? Great video as always!
Yes! Out on the Ocean.
great video thanks! I've just bought the X8 and have a shoot coming up where they plan to use Tentacle Sync and send me audio timecode to sync up later in post. How do I mute the timecode monitor channel so I don't have it coming through the headphones?
I've been looking at the Zoom H recorders for a few years now and couldn't get my head around the fact that they still don't use USB C. So bought this immediately (can't use your links for EU), but did subscribe :-)
Happy recording!
The Zoom XYH-5 XY stero mic capsule module has a _bit_ of shock isolation between the mic capsules and the frame. Each mic capsule is suspended by a small rubber gasket that does a decent job of at least partially reducing handling noise.
Are you referring to the Zoom H8?
Good to know, thanks for sharing!
Hey Curtis lovely review as usual. I have always wanted to capture ambient sound for my videos in my rides. This fits the bill. And please re edit your pros you have repeated removable XY mic twice (unless I want to put it back on and remove it again to see it’s pros 😅)
Thanks and happy riding to you!
Amazing review first and foremost. However, a few concerns.
1) There are only a few DAW's or video editors that can process 32bit float audio. FCPX & PP can, but your files will be outlandishly large. Or you could get fold back aliasing when it gets downgraded from 32bit to 24.
The second problem, is that many podcasting apps like "Ferrite" offer 32bit floating audio, and the app is only $30 for the paid version. You can use your iPhone or iPad and avoid this thing all together.
Third. You can get near perfect audio with dbx 286s, & a cloud lifter for your mic. A bit more equipment, but the sound is perfect, plug that into the Ferrite app and you're golden.
Fourth. Digital audio is on the rise.
Sony just made a hot shoe mounted shotgun mic that only uses the digital signal input. This completely eliminates the noise from the cameras preamps. Once these kinds of mics get popular, 3.5mm & XLR mics will be obsolete.
I don't see the utility of these kinds of devices in the modern era. I could be wrong, but audio recorders like this, that still use preamps and not digital audio seem a bit antiquated.
Important note: Digital microphones are hybrid devices with analogue capsules and digital converters. This does NOT eliminate self-noise. How much self-noise they generate depends on the quality of the analogue and digital circuitry.
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Curtis , you are our audio King , thank you so much for explaining everything so thoroughly to us mere mortals!! I can’t make a single audio related purchase without checking out your opinions first!
Let me ask you one thing my friend… I do a lot of video work with doctors, dentists and etc for social media… been using lavalier mics but wanted to step up my game , so I picked up a mkh 416 this week… would you say that this tascam would be a good combination with it?? I would use mostly for spoken word…
Thank you so much my friend
Yes, that should work nicely.
Looks like a nice gui on top of the legacy tascam recorders. The 32 bit is nice for event recordings where there is occasionally poorly setup music, which can be very loud but not something that you can always pre setup. Overall it's a nice option for those that this fits their workflow. Thanks
Thanks Barry. I do think the 32-bit float with dual converters moves it a tad ahead of their legacy tech.
feels like its in a weird spot with the F6 a little above with better pre amps, more xlr inputs ect and the F3 below if you just need 2 channels of 32bit float
but I don't see what tascam could do here.
I'd suggest they find a way to make better preamps for this unit with wider dynamic range. That'd make it a lot more compelling.
Hey! Do you know if it's possible to record different channels to one file with multiple tracks. Whenever I record i get every track as an individual file, which makes sorting everything a pain.
Announced today: “With the introduction of the V1.30 firmware update, the Portacapture X8 now has the capability to use 32-bit float point resolution when using the unit as a USB audio interface to a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). This facilitates wider dynamic range, higher resolution, and greater audio quality for better overall record quality. The 32-bit float technology enables audio to be dynamically controlled and edited virtually without limitations. Clipped audio segments can easily be corrected and, similarly, low level audio passages can be adjusted to a higher dB level.
Paul Youngblood, Director of Product Marketing at TASCAM, commented on the new features offered by the V1.30 firmware update, “The Portacapture X8 has proven itself to be a full-featured, powerful handheld recorder both on its own or when used in tandem with a computer. As a company, we strive to listen carefully to our users, as this enables us to learn first-hand how our equipment gets used in a wide range of applications-and the V1.30 update is a perfect example of this. We’ve taken the most requested capabilities and turned those into new features that make the Portacapture X8 even more versatile and useful.”
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@@curtisjudd “The USB MIX MINUS function can now be used in the PODCAST app.
This can suppress the occurrence of echoes in audio from remote participants when capturing podcasts.”
Would love to see a comparison against the zoom fx3 when avail.
I'll definitely review the F3 once I receive my copy. We'll talk about how it compares to various other 32-bit float capable recorders.
Thanks Curtis. Appreciate the vid. 👍💯
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I'm now seeing B&H selling device for $400, or $450 with the Bluetooth and storage card.
Let's hope that holds. I needed a step up and reluctantly bought one for $100 more months ago, but with the current price and feature set, it's now looking like a more obvious recommendation for a top-end handheld recorder. I suspect they're hoping to grab a bunch of that market from Zoom. So long as Zoom lacks a similar handheld, Tascam should be incentivised to keep improving the Portacapture. There are some things in hardware and UI design that leave opportunities for Zoom. Still, I suspect 32bit float recording and a flexible touchscreen interface are winning design elements for the next generation of multipurpose handhelds.
That’s a substantial price drop! I hope that is sustainable for them.
Thank you for the video. I have to say that is still need some work. It often freezes when you use the bluetooth connection and ruin the record. When using for a longer period it also freezes or shutdown by itself without using bluetooth.
Interesting. I didn’t experience those issues on my copy.
@@curtisjudd I heard some people had similar issues. I used it yesterday with bluetooth connection and it did freeze again, very annoying. I don"t now if it"s a bad badge i got or something else.
It’s a tad bit disappointing that the X8 has so many issues from what I’ve seen, especially for $500. Luckily for me, I found a Mixpre 3 II for $500 and returned this unit. Hoping that Tascam learns from their mistakes.
Yes, I do hope so.
The review did not list a lot of issues, neither have other professional reviews. I am not sure what you are referring to. Also, Sound Devices recorders are one of the best, no doubt, but they cost a lot more than this device and they are nowhere near as easy to use.
Same here. I didn't see any issues in this review. What issues are there?
@@lukastemberger I did list some "cons" but whether those are issues depend on the situation in which the recorder is used.
@@curtisjudd Ah ok, so there are no actual problems with the device, everything is working as intended... It just depends on the scenario if it's the right tool to use?
Because the comment sounded like there are actual mistakes and issues...
The X8 is super useful for me because of the class-compliant USB audio interface functionality. My work IT does not allow non-approved software to be installed, including drivers. The X8 works great as an audio interface; I'm currently using the Earthworks Ethos as my work mic. When I tried the Rode A1, for whatever reason, the audio quality was compromised. With the X8, it is as it should be. I'm thinking a lot has to do with my crappy work-provided laptop, but also whatever differences there are in class-compliant standards between the two devices I tried.
It's important to note that you need to match the sample rate between your computer and X8, so 48kHz across both devices. Also important to note that the in-built processing (gate, compressor/limiter, EQ, etc.) cannot be used when the sample rate is set at 192kHz on the X8; you'll get an error message on the X8 when trying to connect it as an audio interface.
Thanks for sharing! Yes, I like that you do not have to install a driver if you just need a stereo feed to your computer.
My choice: Sound Device MixPre-3 II. 😀
Mine too. Sadly, anybody who wants to buy one in early 2022 is out of luck as they're not available.
@@curtisjudd, yes, indeed.
had it and prefer the x8 over it tbh
@@patentjohntran1283 What did you like about X8?
@@spritual_enlightenment compared to the mixpre series?
1). Love the large touch screen,
2). Easy, clean and intuituve to navigate UI. I barely needed the manual to understand how to use it right off the bat. Due to small screen, the mixpre settings and UI is buried in multiple layers of screens and button pressing to access,
3). Really enjoy the built in effects (i.e compressor, reverb etc...). Especially impromptu music recordings, just record on the X8 music preset with compressor and little reverb with built-in mic, and you can get some amazing recordings
4). Mixpre preamps are better but to get 32bit and this many channels, ur looking at $1k for the comparable mixpre-6ii. X8 may be less 'pro' but it is more versatile and $500 cheaper for a comparable sound.
5). Looks are subjective, but i just think the X8 is a great looking device versus the mixpre and zoom offerings
6). This is a flagship portable sound recorder product for Tascam so I believe they will fix some of the early issues with future updates
7). Curtis didn't cover it. but the Bluetooth functionality is pretty darn good (I'm on Android). It's so convenient and opens up alot of different new use cases.
Cons (what i don't like about the X8 after a month of use):
1). Need a way to completely turn off the display during recording if u want,
2). The way channel 1 & 2 is mapped is weird so it makes using the X8 as dedicated audio device for ur computer unusable. This should be an easy software update fix i think tho
3). no time code
4). due to form factor, it's not able to be used in a traditional sound bag like the mixpre series. This is not really a con for me but I know most pros in the field, this would be a big deal breaker for them
5). Small complaint, but it should have come with a windscreen
6). Wish it had a lithium rechargeable internal battery but to keep it at $500, they had to cut somewhere I guess
Thank you for a great review! You mention other recorders you have tested with lower self noise than the X8. Can't stretch to Sound Devices prices right now but if you have any thoughts on low self noise portable field recorders that would be really appreciated. I am considering a Zoom F3 to replace my H4N.
The ZOOM F3 would be a fantastic choice overall and definitely with lower self-noise.
Love your videos - keep up the good work -
Thanks Michael.
How can you have a higher dynamic range than 32bit?
You should do a review of the zoom m4 field recorder! It’s also 32 bit float with 2 xlr inputs
Cool, thanks for the suggestion.
Great review! It’s nice to learn about this device but it’s a little pricey considering it’s limitations. Glad I’ve got the F6!
👍 Happy recording!
Looks grate. I will think upgrade my XR40 to one of this. :)
Happy recording!
Thank you for your presentation.
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@@curtisjudd I was finally able to figure out how to record on the X8 from your presentation. Now am going to try to get recording connected to camera. Thank you
14:02 dang it! i really want the 32 bit for recording my synths!
That'd be neat.
That is the type of video when you have 0 info about a product, after you watching it, you do informed decision. Thank you. I have 2 questions tho. Will describe my scenario then at the end will ask.
I have to record a podcast with 4 people. Will be using one set of rode wireless go 2 and one DJI wireless mic.
Since there will be multiple tracks, when I will sync them, I am sure that will get that "phasing", "echoing" effect a lot. Have to turn off all fhe tracks in post except the one speaking in order to ger crispy audio.
I will be using only 2 inputs on recorder, every input will have a track from 2 mics.
Question 1: can the recorder make a track baking all together both tracks.
Question 2: is the recorder going to mix it down without that "echoing, phasing, bleeding sound" from other mics?
I am trying to save time in post production. So I don't have to cut individualy tracks.
Thank you a lot. Have a productive week.
1) You'll need an input for each mic if you want to treat each mic independently in post. In other words, you'll need 3.5mm to dual XLR adapter for each wireless receiver.
2) No, if they're out of phase, the recorder won't fix that for you. If there is a phase invert (I can't remember whether this has that feature per input), then you might be able to reduce the effect a touch. The biggest thing you can do is space people away from each other to reduce that effect.
Thanks dear curtis 💯
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Thanks man.
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Float means that you can retain 23 bit resolution over a much larger range - ie you don't lose definition.
You mean 32-bit?
Hi Curtis, Are you planning on doing a video on the new Zoom F8n Pro? Thanks for the the great information! I love your channel.
Yes, definitely.
Great info. Thanks!
Thanks Michael.
Wish Zoom made one with 4 inputs like the H6. The F6 is too heavy for travel for me and I prefer the table top view rack style
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very informative thanks :)
had no idea this model existed, had the dr-44, great sound but has its issues..
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Thanks for the video
You're welcome! Happy recording!
I was looking to upgrade from my H4N Pro and I love the user interface of the X8 but the preamps seem no better for double the money so it's looking like the F6.
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I regard your channel as the top of the heap of audio channels for my level. I have a question (for anyone): I don't understand why everyone's primary concern and reasoning for 32 bit float is clipping. In my small sample-size of polling other people that record for video, etc. is that our primary enticement is raising the levels of really quiet recordings without raising the noise floor. Who is out there peaking everything? Not to say it doesn't happen, but the number of times the emotional person is virtually whispering or cry-talking into the microphone over peaking may be considerably more prevalent. Also in scene dialog, speaking at a low volume and having the ability to have really dynamic dialog is wonderful... so the question is, do operators really have that many problems with peaking? Does no one out there have issues with quiet recordings? Thanks.
Yes, both. Solo operators have a lot going so missing a setting happens. That's where the clipping protection helps. Wide dynamic range is also a challenge, but it is more specialized. And 32-bit float, by itself, doesn't always result in wider dynamic range unless it is coupled with a quality microphone and quality converters. In that case, I have found that the noise floor can be a little better as well.
Great review as always Curtis. We will publish our own look at the X8 in a few weeks (we got it alongside some Tascam headphones). I really liked my old DR700D, it didn't have the best pre-amps or the most features but it was so easy to operate, much more intuitive than our current Mix Pre 3 workhorse (especially in advanced mode). Anyway, we will see how things go with this one - my perspective is going to be more on ease of operation as I believe this unit is not designed for the same target audience as the Mix Pre or even the equivalent Zoom recorders.
P.S. did you see our Rycote mic review? we actually got them very early on but it took us forever to finish the review...
Looking forward to seeing your review! I haven't, will need to have a look at the Rycote review as well. 👍
Im drooling right now
what is the single file max record length? Is it limited length of time per recording session? We plan on using a 512 GB card with DC external power, but many of these units still limit the length of single recording files.
2 or 4GB if I remember right. Contact Tascam support to confirm (I no longer have this recorder)
Lots of smart ideas in the tech here. It looks like a modern product that ought to warrant a reply from Zoom. Zoom H6 mk2?
Yes, will be interesting to see if Zoom brings wide dynamic range recording to their H series recorders. My sense is that they’ll need to develop a better preamp to make it worthwhile.
Love the change to Irish music rather than the spoken word.
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Very interesting video. Thanks. Will you be doing a review (and comparison) of the Zoom F3??
Yes, definitely planning to review the F3 once I get my copy.
Thank you for a comprehensive review Curtis. Not exactly related to the content, but will you please share the identity of the mounting plate you used, seen at about 15:13 in the video? Looks like a nice, large, accessible 1/4-20 thumb wheel within a frame that might also include additional attachment points for a battery tray or other useful accessories.
Thanks again,
- James
Audial Delta LLC
Manassas, VA
Hi James, yes, that's the Sound Devices Pix-base stand and I put a link for it in the description.