14:45 Jung's quote: A neurosis is always a substitute for a legitimate suffering Anxiety distracts us away from the thing that we really need to pay attention to but it’s too painful/threatening
Wow, Lisa Marciano is such a wise person when she discusses the issues with medicalising anxiousness and the straightjacket of diagnosis. I am a medical doctor and I observe this as a serious problem. So many of our patients could do with jungian analysis...there is such a great need for your services!
Too much focus was put on phobias in this episode. Anxiety is not just oh I’m afraid of dogs oh I’m afraid to get on a plane.it’s an all day gnawing away at the spirit. A soup that you sit in that marinates all day. I hope you all can do another episode on anxiety, I’d really like to hear more about this generalized anxiety that Lisa tried to talk about.
Jungian thought meshes so well with the way my mind operates and I am really enjoying listening to your talks. I would very much appreciate an episode on PTSD, particularly CPTSD.
The lady leading this talk doesn’t seem to know what an anxiety/panic attack is. Some of her comments can be damaging to people experiencing this. Agoraphobia is not like being scared of spiders,heights or big dogs. Agoraphobia comes from on going every minute anxiety, everyday of your life. When going past your boundaries your body literally is not your friend and causes unbearable symptoms that make it impossible to go on. Vomiting, shaking uncontrollably, feelings of unreality, dizziness, total loss of control of your common sense and more. I would love to see anyone go out and do normal things, even going to do something fun while feeling this way. Every time you try the same thing happens. Factor in how exhausting this is and how many times can ones body take this repeated trauma. Why this lady thinks she has the wisdom to lead this topic screams an exaggerated sense of self importance and she just likes the sound of her own voice. The other two are far more knowledgeable on the topic.
In Egyptian mythology, the dung beetle (the scarab, or "Khepera") rolls the dung ball of the sun across the sky. According to them, life itself was impossible without this process. It was so sacred that there is a specific type of royal name that always contains the name of the dung beetle and most every Egyptian pharaoh has adhered to this formula, dating from the Old Kingdom.
My goodness this is such a reflection of an elite group of people. There is a world out there and it's demands and assaults can and are horrendous. Jung was a member of a cultural and economic elite and did not comprehend the magnitude of the suffering of those who did not experience a world that gave little comfort. We are collectively experiencing the accumulation of generational distress and yes people are anxious. To break the cycle takes access to a process that is not only culturally byond reach of many but also economically. In short I found this episode judgemental and a little narrow.
Will you do an episode about tips of living with anxiety as a disorder (not as a episode in life)? What I mean is - people living with GAD which can manifest itself in right about every part of life? Thank you.
In the Eleusinian Mysteries, the new novitiates were made to walk to the initiation in a procession where anyone could hurl insults, garbage, and .... feces at them. Alexander the Great included (purportedly) was no exception.
I have Chronic anxiety(Generalized anxiety disorder, a bit of OCD, i have had panic attacks often during my life also. i also have ADHD, Dysthymia and Seasonal affective disorder). But the Panic attacks where you actually "know" that you are going to die in that moment has resolved and i have not had one since i was like 17(i am 33 now). The last time i had one i was fishing from a low bridge with a high fence of sorts, and i just said to myself(while everything around me went on in ultra rapid and i heard this woman scream really high but at the same time very low/faint as usual) Daniel!, HOW should you die now really?, You can't actually just fall over the fence into the water, then i took my bike and went in Ultra rapid(as it seemed) to a grocery store and bought candy while having this full on attack, i have never had such an experience since. You have to talk to yourself like a "parent" and break it up in pieces to make it graspable so that you just SEE it for what it is and it actually helps. Because as long as you are ruled by that fear you will get stuck in these periods until they may grow away, but try my method and actually do a bit of mindfulness during the episode and show the panic attack that you actually can drive a bike and buy candy during it and "it" will somehow understand that you can't be controlled anymore and just leave you alone instead of testing you?. Maybe this sounds strange but i can't come up with a better way to get rid of such neurotic/psychotic panic episodes. But they actually never disturbed me compared to the Generalized anxiety or Seasonal depressions(summer Depressions are really stressful and just can't compare to such sporadic episodes of fear). During the last attack i was a regular smoker but that did not scare me(but it really should) but my panic attack scared me for dying just spontaneously while fishing?. You hear how silly it really is compared to the actual dangers of life. Cheers from Daniel/Sweden 🙂😗😗😗😗😗😗😗🤫🤫🤫
@MrAhuraMazda187 I don’t identify as LGBT, I am LGBT. It’s not an identity, but who I am. As LGBT people we have a unique shared experience of growing up as an outcast and marginalised group of society and that has a huge impact on the psyche. If you are interested more in the psychology of growing up gay, I would recommend the book “The Velvet Rage” by Dr Alan Downs.
Many people would like to minimise or erase the presence or unique experiences of LGBT people by opposing their organisation, campaigning and presence in society or deriding it as “identity politics”. Being gay affects every fibre of my being just as being male or being female affects someone else. Our experiences are unique and deserve recognition and discussion. Another book which uses analytical psychology to discuss growing up gay is Straightjacket by Matthew Todd.
14:45 Jung's quote: A neurosis is always a substitute for a legitimate suffering
Anxiety distracts us away from the thing that we really need to pay attention to but it’s too painful/threatening
Instablaster.
Wow, Lisa Marciano is such a wise person when she discusses the issues with medicalising anxiousness and the straightjacket of diagnosis. I am a medical doctor and I observe this as a serious problem. So many of our patients could do with jungian analysis...there is such a great need for your services!
Could not agree with you more!! We need to bring this kind of discussion into the forefront of our society.
Too much focus was put on phobias in this episode. Anxiety is not just oh I’m afraid of dogs oh I’m afraid to get on a plane.it’s an all day gnawing away at the spirit. A soup that you sit in that marinates all day. I hope you all can do another episode on anxiety, I’d really like to hear more about this generalized anxiety that Lisa tried to talk about.
In Buddhist iconography, the lotus grows from the excrement - enlightenment from the ultimate symbol of "samsara" (lived experience).
Very much in line with the alchemical prima materia.
Jungian thought meshes so well with the way my mind operates and I am really enjoying listening to your talks. I would very much appreciate an episode on PTSD, particularly CPTSD.
We'll add your suggestions to the list!
Have a look at, ‘ The body keeps the score ‘ Peter Levine , an expert on Trauma .so much is driven unconsciously..
The lady leading this talk doesn’t seem to know what an anxiety/panic attack is. Some of her comments can be damaging to people experiencing this. Agoraphobia is not like being scared of spiders,heights or big dogs. Agoraphobia comes from on going every minute anxiety, everyday of your life. When going past your boundaries your body literally is not your friend and causes unbearable symptoms that make it impossible to go on. Vomiting, shaking uncontrollably, feelings of unreality, dizziness, total loss of control of your common sense and more. I would love to see anyone go out and do normal things, even going to do something fun while feeling this way. Every time you try the same thing happens. Factor in how exhausting this is and how many times can ones body take this repeated trauma. Why this lady thinks she has the wisdom to lead this topic screams an exaggerated sense of self importance and she just likes the sound of her own voice. The other two are far more knowledgeable on the topic.
In Egyptian mythology, the dung beetle (the scarab, or "Khepera") rolls the dung ball of the sun across the sky. According to them, life itself was impossible without this process. It was so sacred that there is a specific type of royal name that always contains the name of the dung beetle and most every Egyptian pharaoh has adhered to this formula, dating from the Old Kingdom.
The great circle from Lead to Gold :)
13:00 Gives a very good example on child-parent relationship anxiety.
The interrupting each other is very disruptive to what each other is trying to say
My goodness this is such a reflection of an elite group of people. There is a world out there and it's demands and assaults can and are horrendous. Jung was a member of a cultural and economic elite and did not comprehend the magnitude of the suffering of those who did not experience a world that gave little comfort. We are collectively experiencing the accumulation of generational distress and yes people are anxious. To break the cycle takes access to a process that is not only culturally byond reach of many but also economically. In short I found this episode judgemental and a little narrow.
Please do a podcast on sleep disorders.
Thank you so much for all these inspiring talks 😊
You are most welcome ~ Joseph
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you
You are most welcome.
Will you do an episode about tips of living with anxiety as a disorder (not as a episode in life)? What I mean is - people living with GAD which can manifest itself in right about every part of life?
Thank you.
In the Eleusinian Mysteries, the new novitiates were made to walk to the initiation in a procession where anyone could hurl insults, garbage, and .... feces at them. Alexander the Great included (purportedly) was no exception.
Reminds me of Circe's walk, in Game of Thrones.
You should watch Act 1 and 2 of Wagner's Siegfried from _Der Ring des Nibelungen_ . This is a magnificent example of the Hero's Journey.
I have Chronic anxiety(Generalized anxiety disorder, a bit of OCD, i have had panic attacks often during my life also. i also have ADHD, Dysthymia and Seasonal affective disorder).
But the Panic attacks where you actually "know" that you are going to die in that moment has resolved and i have not had one since i was like 17(i am 33 now). The last time i had one i was fishing from a low bridge with a high fence of sorts, and i just said to myself(while everything around me went on in ultra rapid and i heard this woman scream really high but at the same time very low/faint as usual) Daniel!, HOW should you die now really?, You can't actually just fall over the fence into the water, then i took my bike and went in Ultra rapid(as it seemed) to a grocery store and bought candy while having this full on attack, i have never had such an experience since. You have to talk to yourself like a "parent" and break it up in pieces to make it graspable so that you just SEE it for what it is and it actually helps. Because as long as you are ruled by that fear you will get stuck in these periods until they may grow away, but try my method and actually do a bit of mindfulness during the episode and show the panic attack that you actually can drive a bike and buy candy during it and "it" will somehow understand that you can't be controlled anymore and just leave you alone instead of testing you?.
Maybe this sounds strange but i can't come up with a better way to get rid of such neurotic/psychotic panic episodes. But they actually never disturbed me compared to the Generalized anxiety or Seasonal depressions(summer Depressions are really stressful and just can't compare to such sporadic episodes of fear). During the last attack i was a regular smoker but that did not scare me(but it really should) but my panic attack scared me for dying just spontaneously while fishing?. You hear how silly it really is compared to the actual dangers of life. Cheers from Daniel/Sweden 🙂😗😗😗😗😗😗😗🤫🤫🤫
Could you make an episode on growing up LGBT?
@MrAhuraMazda187 I don’t identify as LGBT, I am LGBT. It’s not an identity, but who I am. As LGBT people we have a unique shared experience of growing up as an outcast and marginalised group of society and that has a huge impact on the psyche. If you are interested more in the psychology of growing up gay, I would recommend the book “The Velvet Rage” by Dr Alan Downs.
Many people would like to minimise or erase the presence or unique experiences of LGBT people by opposing their organisation, campaigning and presence in society or deriding it as “identity politics”. Being gay affects every fibre of my being just as being male or being female affects someone else. Our experiences are unique and deserve recognition and discussion. Another book which uses analytical psychology to discuss growing up gay is Straightjacket by Matthew Todd.
anxiety is fear what do u meannnnnnnnn
I think this was confusing. We actually consider the two emotions as different. Thanks for bringing this incongruity to the surface.
The part about needing support @11:00 is what I’m talking about and That is driving me insane.
Yes, our needs can drive us mercilessly.
13:06 uffff that is so me.