I think the HDR feature deserves its own stand alone video RECORDED and PRESENTED in HDR on TH-cam so that people can really see the difference. We finally have an HDR end to end workflow. More people need to really see how big a difference it makes your photos on a HDR display.
What happened to "RENAME PROFILE" in Camera Raw? Is there a way to organize custom priles into clusters/groups? This capability seems to have disappeared from earlier versions of Camera Raw.
Thank-you. When using the point, eyedropper method, I find it easier to adjust HSL, then refine with the HSL range sliders. ACR is getting closer to incorporating Lumenzia and Exposure techniques.
Hi Colin, perfect explanation, but my question is about the HDR setting in your display used. When I calibrate my display does the HDR setting influence my calibration and do I have a different comparison to my print then?
LOVE your tutorials. So very helpful!!! Unfortunately my very expensive "photo" monitor does not support HDR. Can you do these settings then output for printing even if you can't see them? Is there a way to get around the monitor? UGH, hard to justify buying a new monitor when there is nothing wrong with the expensive old one! I'm guessing that new printers will also need to be on the wishlist! lol
Awesome tutorial. I have a question. saving as an HDR at the 11:30 mark. How much larger is the file size if you do save as an HDR? Thank you for all the great info!!!
really enjoyed your contributions to the Summit. You were the one broke the ice for me on the Point Color, now you have done it again with the refinements in Lens Blur i.e The Target, and the brushes. Learned a bunch more. The HDR is sort of like future proofing your images. I hope you will do a more top to bottom on the Point Color and Lens Blur they are so amazing. I used Lens Blur on some Rodeo pics I did last May and it was like I had been gifted a fast 600mm lens..crazy cool. not to mention the easy job Gen fil made of the arena railings, what a difference an Adobe update makes.
I really like the lens blur,I hve used it many times. I absoutley do not like the separation of the tint and exposure adjustments into separate panels.
You mention "available in Lightroom too" (LrC) - I would add that Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) is the "raw processor" in both LrC and Photoshop (Ps). And you suggest to start ACR from Bridge. Until a couple months ago I was not aware of this and having been pointed at this made me install Bridge again. The difference between Ps and LrC is that LrC hides ACR in its UI, Ps makes it explicit. In both cases, ACR runs as a plug-in. So running it stand-alone started from Bridge gives a good view on what ACR precisely is, does. In LrC it's the Develop tab. Our edits made with ACR stand-alone are saved to a sidecar file specific to ACR. Not sure if you can import these as virtual copy in LrC, by the way.
Does that mean we have to open ACR via Bridge every time to get the full feature set? Or, just the 1st time to make all desired features appear in ACR automatically after that? Is there a limited feature set if using the Camera Raw Filter from inside Ps with this release? 😮
If you open a raw file directly in PS or from Bridge, you get full features. If you open as a filter you don't get the crop tools, this has always been like that
@@photoshopcafe Good to know. Thx! I didn't see crop & wondered where it went. It seems to be accessible via the masking panel when I checked after seeing your vid.
Waiting for Adobe to address the limited hue range you can change color too in the Point Color selector. Eg if you have a red object and want to make it blue, the hue range is limited. It stops and either purple or pink but you cannot shift the hues to an opposite color.
I think that scenario was already possible before this upgrade. Select the color you want to change with a Color Range mask, then adjust the mask’s Hue color adjustment to do a total color replacement with a completely different hue. For a major color move like your red to blue example, Hue is the tool to use. As I understand it, Point Color is more of a fine-tuning tool, not really intended for big color moves like red to blue like Hue already can, but more for subtle adjustments to target HSL color and correction ranges that could not be done with this kind of precision before, or at least not in Adobe photo software. (Some apps were using this type of correction as a competitive advantage over Adobe, but the release of Point Color lets Adobe catch up.)
@@brightboxstudio Yes it just one way of doing it you can also use a Hue and Saturation adjustment layer in PS BUT why not just give folks the ability to shift the hues to a greater range if point color was made to select ranges of color so precisely ;-)
Curious why jpeg xl was the choice for hdr output? Seems like that format is far less adopted at this point and avif is the leading choice for hdr output to be compatible across the most devices.
Good to know, I chose jxl because it was on Adobe docs. But I will research this more before making a dedicated HDR workflow video. And thanks for the info :)
@@photoshopcafe Thank YOU for all the great info you provide! That is only my takeaway from the little hit of hdr research I've done concerning output format.
I noticed that Photoshop 25.9 now can have up to 3 entries in what used to be the last filter so you can have Camera Raw, NEO and Topaz Photo AI a click away.
I have played with all these new features except HDR since I do not have a monitor that supports it but seeing your excellent, as always, overview, processed an image to be views on my phone and the difference was dramatic. More items added to the Christmas wish list, a modern monitor. Adobe has been making itself indispensable to photographers. Those with the low cost photographers bundle might not remember the old days when a new version require buying a whole new version so everyone seemed to be on a different version which would be a support nightmare. I shot a corporate Halloween party last weekend and had several hundred files to process and some of the nearer additions such as subject selection and background detection was used to apply to all the photos after the first one, to isolate the subject from the background in each photos allowed me to process one and have all the others detected and the changes applied to each file saved me hours of routine work. That allowed my to spend my time on another computer processing a fine art session. I am not sure why anyone would not have the photographers bundle as the best return on investment of all my tools. By the way, your simple direct easy to understand feature demos are the best and most effective of all the Adobe channels on TH-cam.
The Pansonic lumix S1 range of camera have been able to take HDR photos for several years now. It's the HSP format in HLG mode. Adobe PS recently added a plugin so you can edit and view them (albeit in SDR). To view them in HDR you have to connect the camera direct to the HDR capable TV/monitor. Mine is a 65" OLED TV 10bit and they look stunning (NO 8BIT BANDING!) I also spoke about this several years ago when HDR TVs came on the market. It's about time photos caught up with 10/12 bit HDR video. 8 Bit jpegs look so dated these days and about time 10bit HDR photos were the standard..or at least an option, much like on You Tube where you can view any video format there is yet for photos the web still only use 8bit formats
What this amera raw 16.0 hates is that it separates green light and color wb vibrant saturation into 2 separate parts (very cumbersome), so now pressing the ctrl shortcut to change items will have to change the habit. And in the old version, when in the mask section, press ctrl + number to return to the items, now you have to press E and then ask ctrl + number... I don't understand at all.
The point colour is a great tool and I’ve had quite a bit of success using it to isolate tan lines and blend them in to the surrounding skin. However, if you add a preset, or even convert to B&W via the tools panel afterwards, the colour fix seems to drop off and disappear, even though the mask is still there. The only workaround I’ve found for this process so far is to export to PS, and then save it back in to LR where its now a ‘flat file’ and you can add presets and conversions from there. Hopefully this will be fixed in an update.
@@Lensman64 in this case, you will lose the crop, rotation and full output capabilities. All the features are only available if you open (only) a raw file in File>Open in Photoshop or open from bridge.
I think the HDR feature deserves its own stand alone video RECORDED and PRESENTED in HDR on TH-cam so that people can really see the difference. We finally have an HDR end to end workflow. More people need to really see how big a difference it makes your photos on a HDR display.
This is a good idea
What happened to "RENAME PROFILE" in Camera Raw? Is there a way to organize custom priles into clusters/groups? This capability seems to have disappeared from earlier versions of Camera Raw.
Thank-you. When using the point, eyedropper method, I find it easier to adjust HSL, then refine with the HSL range sliders. ACR is getting closer to incorporating Lumenzia and Exposure techniques.
Hi Colin, perfect explanation, but my question is about the HDR setting in your display used. When I calibrate my display does the HDR setting influence my calibration and do I have a different comparison to my print then?
Yes, you should calibrate and create a profile of HDR as well as SDR
Thank you especially for the explanation of the HDR panel and the export setting
Your'e welcome
LOVE your tutorials. So very helpful!!! Unfortunately my very expensive "photo" monitor does not support HDR. Can you do these settings then output for printing even if you can't see them? Is there a way to get around the monitor? UGH, hard to justify buying a new monitor when there is nothing wrong with the expensive old one! I'm guessing that new printers will also need to be on the wishlist! lol
Hi Colin great information. Just one question, will we be able to print all these HDR colours?
Great explanation of HDR. Love all the tech explanations. Good for nerds. Thank you for a great tutorial.
that a very interesting video thanks
Awesome tutorial. I have a question. saving as an HDR at the 11:30 mark. How much larger is the file size if you do save as an HDR? Thank you for all the great info!!!
once again, this a great video. I am pretty sure the answer is no but does HDR do anything around printing or is it digital only?
really enjoyed your contributions to the Summit. You were the one broke the ice for me on the Point Color, now you have done it again with the refinements in Lens Blur i.e The Target, and the brushes. Learned a bunch more. The HDR is sort of like future proofing your images. I hope you will do a more top to bottom on the Point Color and Lens Blur they are so amazing. I used Lens Blur on some Rodeo pics I did last May and it was like I had been gifted a fast 600mm lens..crazy cool. not to mention the easy job Gen fil made of the arena railings, what a difference an Adobe update makes.
Thanks
I really like the lens blur,I hve used it many times. I absoutley do not like the separation of the tint and exposure adjustments into separate panels.
You mention "available in Lightroom too" (LrC) - I would add that Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) is the "raw processor" in both LrC and Photoshop (Ps). And you suggest to start ACR from Bridge. Until a couple months ago I was not aware of this and having been pointed at this made me install Bridge again.
The difference between Ps and LrC is that LrC hides ACR in its UI, Ps makes it explicit.
In both cases, ACR runs as a plug-in. So running it stand-alone started from Bridge gives a good view on what ACR precisely is, does.
In LrC it's the Develop tab.
Our edits made with ACR stand-alone are saved to a sidecar file specific to ACR. Not sure if you can import these as virtual copy in LrC, by the way.
Does that mean we have to open ACR via Bridge every time to get the full feature set? Or, just the 1st time to make all desired features appear in ACR automatically after that? Is there a limited feature set if using the Camera Raw Filter from inside Ps with this release? 😮
If you open a raw file directly in PS or from Bridge, you get full features. If you open as a filter you don't get the crop tools, this has always been like that
@@photoshopcafe Good to know. Thx! I didn't see crop & wondered where it went. It seems to be accessible via the masking panel when I checked after seeing your vid.
I like Camera RAW more than Lightroom. I wish there was a launch button for it in the cloud control panel
Waiting for Adobe to address the limited hue range you can change color too in the Point Color selector. Eg if you have a red object and want to make it blue, the hue range is limited. It stops and either purple or pink but you cannot shift the hues to an opposite color.
I think that scenario was already possible before this upgrade. Select the color you want to change with a Color Range mask, then adjust the mask’s Hue color adjustment to do a total color replacement with a completely different hue. For a major color move like your red to blue example, Hue is the tool to use.
As I understand it, Point Color is more of a fine-tuning tool, not really intended for big color moves like red to blue like Hue already can, but more for subtle adjustments to target HSL color and correction ranges that could not be done with this kind of precision before, or at least not in Adobe photo software. (Some apps were using this type of correction as a competitive advantage over Adobe, but the release of Point Color lets Adobe catch up.)
@@brightboxstudio Yes it just one way of doing it you can also use a Hue and Saturation adjustment layer in PS BUT why not just give folks the ability to shift the hues to a greater range if point color was made to select ranges of color so precisely ;-)
I'm just waiting for their simple program features to work without crashing constantly.
Curious why jpeg xl was the choice for hdr output? Seems like that format is far less adopted at this point and avif is the leading choice for hdr output to be compatible across the most devices.
Good to know, I chose jxl because it was on Adobe docs. But I will research this more before making a dedicated HDR workflow video. And thanks for the info :)
@@photoshopcafe Thank YOU for all the great info you provide! That is only my takeaway from the little hit of hdr research I've done concerning output format.
Hi I do have an HDR monitor Benq sw272u... when I click the HDR option in settings, the screen goes soft. what gives
It could be many things. But the most important is to choose a color profile that supports it, under Display > Color Profile
I used adobe and also benq it does not work
@@photoshopcafe
I scrolled through all of them and it doesn't make a difference...
I noticed that Photoshop 25.9 now can have up to 3 entries in what used to be the last filter so you can have Camera Raw, NEO and Topaz Photo AI a click away.
I have played with all these new features except HDR since I do not have a monitor that supports it but seeing your excellent, as always, overview, processed an image to be views on my phone and the difference was dramatic. More items added to the Christmas wish list, a modern monitor.
Adobe has been making itself indispensable to photographers. Those with the low cost photographers bundle might not remember the old days when a new version require buying a whole new version so everyone seemed to be on a different version which would be a support nightmare.
I shot a corporate Halloween party last weekend and had several hundred files to process and some of the nearer additions such as subject selection and background detection was used to apply to all the photos after the first one, to isolate the subject from the background in each photos allowed me to process one and have all the others detected and the changes applied to each file saved me hours of routine work. That allowed my to spend my time on another computer processing a fine art session. I am not sure why anyone would not have the photographers bundle as the best return on investment of all my tools.
By the way, your simple direct easy to understand feature demos are the best and most effective of all the Adobe channels on TH-cam.
How to view HDR photo? What software supports it?
Its more a hardware thing
Hi Colin, thing is the blur tool doesn't seem to work on windows 11 hardly at all.. Works on a mac a lot better. Colin Devon UK
I haven't used Win 11, so I can't comment. Maybe a widows 11 user can chime in?
At 11:35 is there a way to get rid of the foot prints in the sand, and make the sand look untuched...
Sure, use the patch tool. Or in Photoshop remove tool or Generative Fill. It will be harder on the close foreground where it's all footprints.
The Pansonic lumix S1 range of camera have been able to take HDR photos for several years now. It's the HSP format in HLG mode. Adobe PS recently added a plugin so you can edit and view them (albeit in SDR). To view them in HDR you have to connect the camera direct to the HDR capable TV/monitor. Mine is a 65" OLED TV 10bit and they look stunning (NO 8BIT BANDING!)
I also spoke about this several years ago when HDR TVs came on the market. It's about time photos caught up with 10/12 bit HDR video. 8 Bit jpegs look so dated these days and about time 10bit HDR photos were the standard..or at least an option, much like on You Tube where you can view any video format there is yet for photos the web still only use 8bit formats
What this amera raw 16.0 hates is that it separates green light and color wb vibrant saturation into 2 separate parts (very cumbersome), so now pressing the ctrl shortcut to change items will have to change the habit. And in the old version, when in the mask section, press ctrl + number to return to the items, now you have to press E and then ask ctrl + number... I don't understand at all.
informative video.
The point colour is a great tool and I’ve had quite a bit of success using it to isolate tan lines and blend them in to the surrounding skin. However, if you add a preset, or even convert to B&W via the tools panel afterwards, the colour fix seems to drop off and disappear, even though the mask is still there. The only workaround I’ve found for this process so far is to export to PS, and then save it back in to LR where its now a ‘flat file’ and you can add presets and conversions from there. Hopefully this will be fixed in an update.
Good to know
With the much vaunted AI I can’t believe that properly blurring background isn’t more automated. Why doesn’t Photoshop support HEIF/HEIC?
It does support it and uses the depth map of it contains one. I said that on the video
Camera Wraaw
But....... I don't want to use Bridge.
"... I don't want to use Bridge". But do you still want to use Camera Raw? If so then just access it in PS under "Filters" Shift+Ctl+A
@@Lensman64 in this case, you will lose the crop, rotation and full output capabilities. All the features are only available if you open (only) a raw file in File>Open in Photoshop or open from bridge.