We rented a Blazer EV on Turo this summer in Portland and I enjoyed it! I was really surprised at how it had good range because it is not a small vehicle and there were 5 of us in the car. Access to the Supercharger network is a game changer! Solid through 54% and then blah. Thanks for making this!
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry ABRP tells me to charge to 94% and drive down to 6%. There are no [working] chargers in between on this route. This is maybe less common case, but it is sometimes needed.
It can be, maybe typical is around $0.45/kwh at fast chargers. This is similar to gas. I charge at home overnight most of the time at $0.05/kWh, which is much cheaper.
I have no proof - but I think it you have a tesla it gets the coordinates from the car but if you have no Tesla it start at 0,0 and then gets the GPS from the phone.
25:52 If there is a legitimate temperature issue here (rather than a preset), I don't think the pack temperature is the issue. It's more than likely the charging harness, bus bars, etc. After all, GM recently filed for patents on PCM (phase change materials) for use in temperature regulation of the charging port and harness.
That is my thought. Starting at 42% didn't do this, so I suspect bus bar temps, etc as you say. Can others confirm this happens on theirs? Based on what I have read on Equinox and this, they all seem to do similar.
@@cyberzev Yes, it seems common across all 85 kWh Ultium EVs. It also happens on the 100 kWh Ultium packs, but to a slightly lesser extent. This isn't too different from the earlier Bolt EV step downs, which GM eventually corrected with an update. I'd expect that, after an update, you should be able to consistently charge from 10% to 80% in about 35 minutes.
@newscoulomb3705 mine was a buyback for "slow charging". So I got a great deal on it as the previous buyer in CA (lax on buybacks) didn't like how it charged :)
@@cyberzev Yeah, I think that had more to do with the buyer's expectations as this charge session looked pretty standard to me. Frankly, I don't think it's terrible (your 10% challenge numbers would be similar to the Tesla Model Y and updated VW ID.4), but I would have the expectation that GM eventually smooths out and improves the charging profile for their Ultium products.
Have any of you noticed that not all of the V3 Superchargers show up when you go to the Tesla app, click on "Charge Your Other EV", and then you see the map and the list of V3 chargers and there are just some missing. I noticed that one of the missing had a mixture of V2 and V3 chargers while the one that showed up was all V3. I need to verify with other chargers to see it thats consistent.
I know not all are supported. What would be fun to try if it still works at the mixture station (my guess is you couldn't try to start it). This might be a good way to avoid confusion at those stations by people not knowing the difference.
Eric, I would recommend charging from around 20% to 80% if needed and Ideally 20% to 60 %. Coming from a 10% SOC seems to cause an extended thermal de-rate condition as you experienced. I just did a full Tesla V3 test from 19% - 80% and that took 32 min held 100 KW to 65% then a slow ramp down 90 KW at 70%, 77 KW at 75% and 76 KW at 80%. 5 min SOC 32% 10 min SOC 43% 15 min SOC 54% 20 min SOC 64% 25 min SOC 73% 32 min SOC 80%
Exact reason I bought Blazer EV is cabin space. It is 3" more rear hip room and very spacious in back seats. Like the extra long wheelbase luxury car for space. I have a video showing how spacious it is in the back.
Yes, it auto preconditions the pack, or you can manually start it. However, it only seems to operate at cooler temps. It isn't same as Tesla that really cranks up the heat.
If they just had faster charging I think, with the recent price drops, they have a winner. Even the latest Caddilac limits the top end charge speed. Even if at 80% they would be at 100Kw that would make the change curve flat and charge quicker
I'd determine the lowest state of charge it puts the high amount in. Say 2%. Then charge to 50%, where it drops a lot. Then move on to the next Supercharger, if possible. You can calculate the charging time difference.
45 kw at 58% is terrible. There’s no reason these packs should ever drop below 80 kw on a charge like that. I wish GM would get serious about the charging inconsistencies out there.
It all depends on where you start charging. As you saw, it ramped back up to 70 kW after resting. It seems to hold about 20 min before reducing the rate, probably for thermal reasons. The day before, it averaged over 100 kW doing 42-80%, but the full charge was ~20 min, so it didn't have the same thermal slow down at 58%. From my perspective, I will focus on 20 min charges at lower SoC to maximize power delivery. PS agree it could be better, but not really surprising either.
It's GM, the company that tried to kill the electric car. And then tried bog down the charging infrastructure by building the Bolt. What else do you expect from them. Although, to their credit and the architecture, their expensive 800v EV trucks charge fantastic. So they can do it on their lower end EV's, they just don't want to. Even though it actually costs less to manufacture an 800v EV.
I'm back in a Tesla as of a few weeks ago from an Ioniq5 and It's painful how bad the Tesla charging curve is compared to Hyundai's. It seems the blazers is pretty bad as well. The Hyundai would be above 100KW until 86%, It droppeds below 50KW at 94%. 0-100% charging time, 37 minutes. I haven't tested the full charging curve on the new Tesla yet, but from what I've experienced so far, it's still pretty bad.
Most cars are bad relative to e-GMP cars. My wife has an EV6, so I know your pain :) yeah, this Blazer isn't great. I'm going to try to focus on 20-25 min charges more often.
That is at real highway speeds and comparable to what my Model 3 would do. With how EVs travel, it is fastest to drive like 120 miles and charge for 15-20 min. I regularly drove 800 miles days in my Model 3, add a couple hours, but did this maybe 6 days a year, so it didn't really matter. The other thing to consider is that the EV is always charged and ready to go the next day, so charging is only ever a concern when you exceed range in a given day. Around town, the Blazer will go more than 300 miles.
well...going to be a long way before I switch to EV....40 minutes to go rom 10% to 80% 😪......sticking with hybrids for now....going to wait until charging from 10% to 80% in less than 5 minutes....probably be another 10 years
It is all about use case, I only supercharge a few days a year. A vast majority is done at home with no effort. Most people are going to just fly where it gets tedious. A day trip you really don't spend much time charging.
@@cyberzev I don't want to wait...not worth the time if there's better alternative....when people own a car, they generally will only want to own one...sometimes a vacation or so require driving 500 miles.....while some would say, good time to stretch....I'd say I can stretch while walking to the bathroom and returning to continue the trip....I'll wait until charging can become a non-issue like gasoline....it's the only bottleneck I see for me
@@consolemaster I don't like to wait either. Why I like an EV is the 95% of days I drive the car is full and ready to go every morning. The few days a year I drive long distances I have to wait a short bit. I spend the extra time walking, eating while not driving, watching Netflix, whatever.
The new Taycan goes from zero to 65% in 12 minutes. And zero to 76% 16 minutes. Or 10 to 80% in 13 minutes. Forget about GM other than their EV trucks. They are way behind. You have to keep in mind that this is the company that tried to kill the electric car. And when that failed due to Tesla, they've been trying slow down the adoption ever since. How else do you explain a modern EV that charges at 55kWh max. Of course, the fact is, EV's go from zero to 100% in ZERO seconds. Because you charge overnight and wake up to a "full tank," to borrow your ICE a anology, every day. Can any of your ICE vehicles do that? You can keep your 5 minutes charging and smelly hands. The rest of us wake up to a "full tank," or whatever change limit you set, every day. You can't beat zero seconds.
As a tesla owner. I hate Tesla opening these up to non Tesla's. Tesla should have mandated that non tesla oem's to put the port on the back driver side. Sucks GM, Ford, Rivian, etc.. all have to take to spots.
This is a Tesla stall problem. New installs with V4 charger stalls are no issue. If Tesla wants the handouts, they have no choice. I am a Tesla owner and welcomed them opening the network.
I agree 100% At super off peak hours I'm paying 4.5 cents per kwh charging at home. Using the Supercharger is literally 10 times that. If you can't charge at home EV's are just not worth having. If you going to pay that kind of money just get a gas car. My goal is to NEVER use a Supercharger.
We rented a Blazer EV on Turo this summer in Portland and I enjoyed it! I was really surprised at how it had good range because it is not a small vehicle and there were 5 of us in the car. Access to the Supercharger network is a game changer! Solid through 54% and then blah. Thanks for making this!
Vs my Tesla, I am surprised at how good the range is relative to the rated range in real-world driving. Supposedly, Tesla fixed this in 2024.
@@cyberzev same! Our Model 3 is great, but often short of the stated range.
That's a beautiful vehicle. I have one exactly like it! I love my Blazer EV RS AWD!
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Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the information
Thanks for showing the charging speed throughout. Hopefully we can see a 5 to 95 percent charge next time.
I will try to do that.
No one should be fast charging to 95%
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry
ABRP tells me to charge to 94% and drive down to 6%. There are no [working] chargers in between on this route. This is maybe less common case, but it is sometimes needed.
Thanks!
You are welcome!
How much is charging in general on the go? It seems to be in the 50c per kWh range. Is it usually that high to charge on the go?
It can be, maybe typical is around $0.45/kwh at fast chargers. This is similar to gas. I charge at home overnight most of the time at $0.05/kWh, which is much cheaper.
Please share link for adapter.
State of Charge also showed the Tesla app map defaulting to West Africa. Must be 0,0 long and lat.
Yeah, I'm not sure why it does that. It's really annoying :)
I have no proof - but I think it you have a tesla it gets the coordinates from the car but if you have no Tesla it start at 0,0 and then gets the GPS from the phone.
Which Blazer do you have the 85kwh or the RWD that has the 102kwh battery?
AWD, but usable seems more like 90-95 kWh. Certainly more than 85 kWh.
25:52 If there is a legitimate temperature issue here (rather than a preset), I don't think the pack temperature is the issue. It's more than likely the charging harness, bus bars, etc. After all, GM recently filed for patents on PCM (phase change materials) for use in temperature regulation of the charging port and harness.
That is my thought. Starting at 42% didn't do this, so I suspect bus bar temps, etc as you say.
Can others confirm this happens on theirs? Based on what I have read on Equinox and this, they all seem to do similar.
@@cyberzev Yes, it seems common across all 85 kWh Ultium EVs. It also happens on the 100 kWh Ultium packs, but to a slightly lesser extent. This isn't too different from the earlier Bolt EV step downs, which GM eventually corrected with an update. I'd expect that, after an update, you should be able to consistently charge from 10% to 80% in about 35 minutes.
@newscoulomb3705 mine was a buyback for "slow charging". So I got a great deal on it as the previous buyer in CA (lax on buybacks) didn't like how it charged :)
@@cyberzev Yeah, I think that had more to do with the buyer's expectations as this charge session looked pretty standard to me. Frankly, I don't think it's terrible (your 10% challenge numbers would be similar to the Tesla Model Y and updated VW ID.4), but I would have the expectation that GM eventually smooths out and improves the charging profile for their Ultium products.
Have any of you noticed that not all of the V3 Superchargers show up when you go to the Tesla app, click on "Charge Your Other EV", and then you see the map and the list of V3 chargers and there are just some missing. I noticed that one of the missing had a mixture of V2 and V3 chargers while the one that showed up was all V3. I need to verify with other chargers to see it thats consistent.
I know not all are supported. What would be fun to try if it still works at the mixture station (my guess is you couldn't try to start it). This might be a good way to avoid confusion at those stations by people not knowing the difference.
@@cyberzev Good point, I'm going to try that.
Is your Blazer an AWD or RWD?
AWD
Eric,
I would recommend charging from around 20% to 80% if needed and Ideally 20% to 60 %. Coming from a 10% SOC seems to cause an extended thermal de-rate condition as you experienced.
I just did a full Tesla V3 test from 19% - 80% and that took 32 min held 100 KW to 65% then a slow ramp down 90 KW at 70%, 77 KW at 75% and 76 KW at 80%.
5 min SOC 32%
10 min SOC 43%
15 min SOC 54%
20 min SOC 64%
25 min SOC 73%
32 min SOC 80%
I will do similar test and see how it does.
Why do people get the blazer over the equinox? Only thing better is larger back seat room and cooler name..
Exact reason I bought Blazer EV is cabin space. It is 3" more rear hip room and very spacious in back seats. Like the extra long wheelbase luxury car for space. I have a video showing how spacious it is in the back.
I am not a midget like you, and need the extra room so I got the Blazer EV
I went with blazer because the car seats to my kids for more comfortably.
Is there any way to precondition the pack before arriving at the supercharger? I would have been out of there at 60%.
Yes, it auto preconditions the pack, or you can manually start it. However, it only seems to operate at cooler temps. It isn't same as Tesla that really cranks up the heat.
If they just had faster charging I think, with the recent price drops, they have a winner. Even the latest Caddilac limits the top end charge speed. Even if at 80% they would be at 100Kw that would make the change curve flat and charge quicker
I'd determine the lowest state of charge it puts the high amount in. Say 2%. Then charge to 50%, where it drops a lot. Then move on to the next Supercharger, if possible. You can calculate the charging time difference.
45 kw at 58% is terrible. There’s no reason these packs should ever drop below 80 kw on a charge like that. I wish GM would get serious about the charging inconsistencies out there.
It all depends on where you start charging. As you saw, it ramped back up to 70 kW after resting. It seems to hold about 20 min before reducing the rate, probably for thermal reasons. The day before, it averaged over 100 kW doing 42-80%, but the full charge was ~20 min, so it didn't have the same thermal slow down at 58%. From my perspective, I will focus on 20 min charges at lower SoC to maximize power delivery.
PS agree it could be better, but not really surprising either.
It's GM, the company that tried to kill the electric car. And then tried bog down the charging infrastructure by building the Bolt. What else do you expect from them. Although, to their credit and the architecture, their expensive 800v EV trucks charge fantastic. So they can do it on their lower end EV's, they just don't want to. Even though it actually costs less to manufacture an 800v EV.
oof that is not a good charging speed
It is not great, but not bad for first 20 min. Definitely better vehicles, but this is still usable.
that is....atrocious.
I'm back in a Tesla as of a few weeks ago from an Ioniq5 and It's painful how bad the Tesla charging curve is compared to Hyundai's. It seems the blazers is pretty bad as well. The Hyundai would be above 100KW until 86%, It droppeds below 50KW at 94%. 0-100% charging time, 37 minutes. I haven't tested the full charging curve on the new Tesla yet, but from what I've experienced so far, it's still pretty bad.
Most cars are bad relative to e-GMP cars. My wife has an EV6, so I know your pain :) yeah, this Blazer isn't great. I'm going to try to focus on 20-25 min charges more often.
How often do you need to SuperCharge
@@thomasjacques5286 Just the rare long trip or for TH-cam content.
I only do so on road trips, so maybe 5-6 charges in a day over 800 miles.
Hyudai has other issues, software. It's route planning and interface is clumsy.
Thats way too much money for only +200 miles.
That is at real highway speeds and comparable to what my Model 3 would do. With how EVs travel, it is fastest to drive like 120 miles and charge for 15-20 min. I regularly drove 800 miles days in my Model 3, add a couple hours, but did this maybe 6 days a year, so it didn't really matter.
The other thing to consider is that the EV is always charged and ready to go the next day, so charging is only ever a concern when you exceed range in a given day. Around town, the Blazer will go more than 300 miles.
well...going to be a long way before I switch to EV....40 minutes to go rom 10% to 80% 😪......sticking with hybrids for now....going to wait until charging from 10% to 80% in less than 5 minutes....probably be another 10 years
It is all about use case, I only supercharge a few days a year. A vast majority is done at home with no effort. Most people are going to just fly where it gets tedious. A day trip you really don't spend much time charging.
@@cyberzev I don't want to wait...not worth the time if there's better alternative....when people own a car, they generally will only want to own one...sometimes a vacation or so require driving 500 miles.....while some would say, good time to stretch....I'd say I can stretch while walking to the bathroom and returning to continue the trip....I'll wait until charging can become a non-issue like gasoline....it's the only bottleneck I see for me
@@consolemaster I don't like to wait either. Why I like an EV is the 95% of days I drive the car is full and ready to go every morning. The few days a year I drive long distances I have to wait a short bit. I spend the extra time walking, eating while not driving, watching Netflix, whatever.
The new Taycan goes from zero to 65% in 12 minutes. And zero to 76% 16 minutes. Or 10 to 80% in 13 minutes. Forget about GM other than their EV trucks. They are way behind. You have to keep in mind that this is the company that tried to kill the electric car. And when that failed due to Tesla, they've been trying slow down the adoption ever since. How else do you explain a modern EV that charges at 55kWh max.
Of course, the fact is, EV's go from zero to 100% in ZERO seconds. Because you charge overnight and wake up to a "full tank," to borrow your ICE a anology, every day. Can any of your ICE vehicles do that?
You can keep your 5 minutes charging and smelly hands. The rest of us wake up to a "full tank," or whatever change limit you set, every day. You can't beat zero seconds.
As a tesla owner. I hate Tesla opening these up to non Tesla's. Tesla should have mandated that non tesla oem's to put the port on the back driver side. Sucks GM, Ford, Rivian, etc.. all have to take to spots.
This is a Tesla stall problem. New installs with V4 charger stalls are no issue. If Tesla wants the handouts, they have no choice. I am a Tesla owner and welcomed them opening the network.
@@cyberzevuntil SC turns into a Costco gas line.
@@LazyTeslaSounds like a Tesla problem.
that's gas station prices better get a home charger
I agree 100% At super off peak hours I'm paying 4.5 cents per kwh charging at home. Using the Supercharger is literally 10 times that. If you can't charge at home EV's are just not worth having. If you going to pay that kind of money just get a gas car. My goal is to NEVER use a Supercharger.
I charge overnight for $0.05/kWh. So less than ~$5 for 300 real world miles. This is a test for road tripping.
@@cyberzev As bad as your road tripping prices were there is a small town near here that is charging $1.03/kwh. No way.