O’Neil deserves a standing ovation by the entire world of journalism. Very very very few writers have put themselves this deep into a subject (not counting Hunter S. Thompson, Capote, Burroughs, etc.)
Listening to him talk about how difficult it was to get it published and the legal / financial side of it is incredible. It really goes to show how much podcasts and social media have upended traditional journalism. The long and short of it is the CIA didn’t cover their ass enough before the internet was invented, even then these are old school journalists or sons of victims / people personally invested in it as the only people looking into it. I was listening to the podcast with the guys that investigated Danny Castalero (sp) someone needs to put all these guys files in AI and see what it spits out lol
I just bought this book last Monday, and I finished it this morning (Sunday). It's a Must-Read book! Tom earned every penny he makes from this! His tenacity, strength, and courage amid the daunting and overwhelming obstacles are just legendary! He deserves to be famous for it and immortalized in history!
Tom O'Neill deserves a Pulitzer. I have read this book and recommended it to (and bought it for) students and am never tired of hearing O'Neill talk about his 20-year slog. And to hear him say that there is more and maybe a second book. So glad he teamed up with Dan Piepenbring and this story saw the light of day. The audiobook is a wonderful listen.
@@MeeMee-gz5vp he’s not “full of shit”…. Just because there’s not physical evidence of something, doesn’t mean that something can’t be inferred… Look at Bundy.. He was essentially convicted with ZERO definitive physical evidence. So even courts will convict without physical evidence. And yes, O’Neil HAD TO say he couldn’t definitively prove certain things for legal reasons. The same reason media hosts will say “ALLEGEDLY the man arrested for SA this past weekend SA’d a minor.” Because the person isn’t yet convicted, they have to say allegedly for legal reasons. That’s the same reason O’Neil said that about “Chaos”. What’s PROVEN in “Chaos”, is that Bugliosi was a crazy person and a drunk who had multiple complaints/reports made on him by some women who he was stalking and intimidating. He made up so much of the stuff he used in the trial and in his book “Helter Skelter”. That book is complete garbage. That book is a total lie. They say these same things about Maury Terry, the guy who deeply investigated the theory of David Berkowitz, the “Son of Sam”, being involved in a satanic cult, and that he wasn’t the only shooter, but was just 1 of 4.
@@onemaddad3823 idk maybe I’m the odd one out here, but until an assertion is proven true without a reasonable doubt, I don’t believe in that assertion. To each his/her own. As for Bundy, and Aileen Wuornos for that matter, it didn’t help either of their cases by admitting to being the murderer. And didn’t Bundy have dental comparisons with the bite marks on one of his victims? Not to get too far off the subject, I think Chaos is another well-written theory as with all of the books published on this case. Also, that’s not news about Vincent Bugliosi - that’s almost as old as the murders themselves. In fact, just about everything in O’neil’s book is OLD NEWS, for the exception of his own theories. So what new “news” did Tom O’neil’s Chaos sell you?
@@onemaddad3823 one more thing… everything in Bugliosi’s Helter Skelter is not a lie. How do I know? Because Bugliosi backs up what he says, such as tape and video recordings of the actual person telling what happened, unlike Tom O’Neil who just regurgitates what was already common knowledge about the case and adds a few spicy tidbits to appear like he’s privileged to hidden information. Anyone can do that, man, true crime writers have been doing that for years. The only thing out of Bugliosi’s book that was a lie is the race war theory itself. But because a race war wasn’t such a far fetched idea back in those days, and several family members did say they used to talk about an impending race war during their fireside chats, this made Bugliosi’s theory more believable. But regardless of why the murders happened, that still doesn’t lighten the fact that people were viciously and mercilessly slaughtered. It’s the act of murder itself that’s still appalling. Just my two cents.
@@onemaddad3823 Excellent recommendation. I would also say McGowan’s book on Laurel Canyon is essential and very interesting in how it overlaps with the Manson/Dennis Wilson/etc group discussed in Tom’s book.
@@jaydenrock don’t waste your time man, “no user found”=no brain in that troll head… Tom’s/joe rogan interview clearly stands at the top five greatest interviews here in TH-cam…
@@isailopez4132 that makes a lot of sense. Dudes on here just to be a prick but wants to stay anonymous. Kinda a cowardly thing to do. I agree though. I’ve watched that interview 3-4 times. I even bought the book and reading it now. Man is it interesting. It crazy they will go that far to let a criminal like Manson go free, just to disparage the hippie/anti-war movement. Makes me wonder what kind of nonsense the CIA is up to now?
@@jaydenrock ignore that lame 😵💫, clearly too much of a hipster to watch Joe Rogan, it stands firm as one of Joe’s best guests for me, revisited a couple times 🙏🏻
Saw Tom O'Neill at Joe Rogan's podcast, and ordered the book immediately. Was my read of the summer 2020 - highly recommended! And if you, like me, feel confused about the intense name dropping in the first 100 pages or so, take notes about names and relations to each other. Helped me a great deal to fully understand the big web of suspects and acquaintances that Tom O'Neill lay out. Incredible piece of journalism!
This is my absolute favorite podcast of yours. You should call Tom up, ask if he has enough new information to make a new podcast out of, and have him come on again!
I am so thankful to Tom for these interviews. I will read his book Chaos. I have two daughters who have tried to talk to me about the incident as many of us born in the sixties and were young remember how it affected us. It has been hard to talk about because of the emotions it brings back But listening to Tom talk about the truth of what really happened helps me put it in to perspective. I really appreciate that. I can't wait to read his book.
Why are y'all so emotional? Like yeah, it was a tragedy but unless you were actually close to someone affected or it affected you directly, why would you let that affect you that much?
I was a child of hippies, and there were some who took advantage of what was going on. there were good people, there were not-so-good people---there were definitely not very many RULES.
I read this book a few months ago, I was really impressed how Tom O’Neill’s family truly supported him throughout his process, that says a lot about him and the great family he comes from
@@FookU2b WTF are you taking about? Sure, the CIA want Tom to talk about MK Ultra and about using the Manson murders against the hippy moment, you spook.
@@sergeikhripun he’s putting stuff together which he did a great doing so. But we are so saturated with information from all over the place that unless the media puts this story on rotation like everything else… then people won’t care.
@@Lucky-sh1dm Most definitely, the internet is the best opportunity we the people have ever had to break away from that system and share knowledge freely that isn’t tainted with agendas.
It's just a new name for an old agency. Started in England. After WWII they saw the dwindling power of England and came over to the states. Think it was called Angelo alliance or something to that nature. Anyways, the families in power have been the same for centuries
I just love that it took this sweet man 20+ years to finish this book. This book and subsequent publications have come to be a major definition of his life. Most human beings would kill for meaning like that. Big ups bruh!
I wish my great Uncle was still alive. He was a Detective on the Manson murders. Many years later he told us things that was "unbelievable". But now we know it is true.
One of the best intriguing interviews I’ve ever seen! Like oh my gosh, wow level of detail he has in his mind is incredible! Fast is three hours of my life and man I’m the better for it
Great interview. Got this suggestion by the algorithm. Thank you for allowing him to speak and not interrupting. He covered so much in just a couple of hours. Excited about getting his book. Subscribed.
I knew a guy for awhile (gym) here in the Midwest who turned out to not only have gone through high school in the South Bay with Lynette Fromme but actually drove her to school and back in his carpool click. He was popular because he had a sweet 60’s convertible Mustang. He brought his signed with note (from her) yearbook to the gym one day to show me. He remembered her well. He said she was like the typical kind of hippie girl but she was really into the environmental aspect of it. He said there was strife in the home which led to her parents kicking her out of the house after high school. Apparently she met the family/Manson right, like immediately, after getting kicked out of the house. It made think, what if she got kicked out a day or two earlier or a day or two later. She probably never would have met and got groomed into the family and her destiny would have been much different.
One of the most fascinating persons I've ever seen interviewed. Wow, what a story, what a great memory, and what a wild life !!! Gotta get the book now.
Forever fascinating. I’m 46 years old now and when I was a tween my hippie father gave me helter skelter to read. It blew my whole mind. I wanted to leave home so bad and find a new family. Later he gave me My Life with Charles Manson when I was around 16. Still think about the reality of psychic fences. We used to drive around the desert and talk about Manson for hours. Wish he was here to listen to Chaos with me. He was always resentful that Manson stole the 60s from him and my mother. Fun fact my brother moved in with a cult for four years in the California desert. He was the lure for fragile females. The front of young sexually liberated egoless females was the financial basis and fed the collective.
@@melissamartinez3593 Jim Morrison's father was the Navy Admiral that was responsible for the introduction into the Vietnam War with the False Flag attack known as "The Gulf of Tonkin incident." It also was known as the USS Maddox incident. Admiral George Steven Morrison was in charge of the carrier group during the USS Maddoc incident and was also a high-level Naval Intelligence Officer. However, Admiral Morrison who was Jim Morrison's father was NOT a CIA Agent.
Great Interview! I was 18 when these murders happened. I read the book, but I love listening to Tom O'Neil talk about it. Please talk him into doing his own podcast. He's a great talker! Love you guys....Great podcast
Tom has an amazing recall. The names he named and the times he lived; obviously (I stopped and researched so many times in this as he just rolled) what a story he has to tell. He needs a publisher, a guided professional. I don't think even HE knows how much he really knows - but is there a process to fill it all out? Interesting man and he has been so patient to gather the experiences he freely speaks of.
The drug that he said Terry Melcher was into is called “Dilaudid” aka Hydromorphone. It has a rush comparible to heroin, but is a pharmaceutical pill. For the discerning opiate addict. Thank you so much for a great podcast! I bought the audible version of Chaos and it was great. Now I’m going to have to buy the paperback to read the notes at the back! Thanks again! And I can’t believe Hamilton Morris’s dad is Errol Morris!?!?! No wonder Hamilton got famous so quick. Love both their work! Wormwood was great!
Known as Ds in the hood be careful if anyone’s looking for em a lot are home pill milled with Fenny in it these days can kill newcomers in a split second
The government knew damn well before they released Dilaudid that it wasn't bio available from the gut.. I would never waste one of those and swallow one
@@Unsubscribedd in the early 70s DEA cracked down on the drug even going as far as harassing doctors of terminal patients and threatening them to not prescribe it. They even went to patient's homes to intimidate.
I read the book cover to cover twice and am on third. It's incredible. Granted this subject has been an obsession for me for years, but still the book is freaking amazing.
As a child of hippies during that time; i have always been fascinated with the 60's and especially with the Manson incident. I read Bugliosi's book while babysitting one night as a teen; had read "the Family" by Ed Sanders when i was about 11. Read Paul's book about being in the Family. I've read "Chaos" twice ; then saw that the book about Sidney Gottlieb "Poisoner in Chief" was at my library and read that. There are so many tentacles that reach out into so many things...you could really spend a lifetime.
I could go on and on about how I intended to only watch this for 5-10 minutes because of other tentitives on my agenda, only to watch the video start to finish with no breaks. I could focus on how comfortable I found the interviewer's technique to be and as a result of his genuine listening skills, the momentum of information that was able to be gained as a result, and the quality of his follow-up questions. I could also mention the incredible level of likability Tom O'Neill has the extraordinary level of research and due diligence he has invested. His work and demeanor reek of credibility. But since I'm easily the most important person in my very real, very 2022 life, I have to mention how thoroughly insulted and disgusted I am with Amazon now. There have been a number of minor little business mistakes they have made in the past on my accounts, nothing that has ultimately not been rectified rather quickly and nothing that has kept me from moving probably +$750,000.00 through their buying service. "Steering away from White, middle-aged protagonists!", is racist and agist. But put those terms du jour aside. That is the language and thought-pattern of a Jedi-level, steaming piece of shit, sub-moron. You know a complete and total dumbass. A failure. I'm going to spend some time reevaluating where and through whom I spend my hard-earned, considerable cheese.
Congratulations on such a work Mr. O'Neill--it has renewed my faith in journalists and the field of journalism, which ironically has lessened my faith in that much more of my fellow Americans.
This was the best interview I've ever listened, Bravo. Also, MR O'Neill.. I've nothing but respect & love for you, sir. Blessings. Keep the sunny side-up
Great Interview True Crime is so crazy cause you never get the full truth and probably for the better cause it’s so unreal just shocking Tom has such heart and grit to go through all those years writing this book
The other problem with AUDIO is that many people get distracted by other noise or think they can multitask and absorb all that's being read... and they can't.
This has made me think about Nick Brookfield's doco with Aileen Warnous. She said two things that stuck out to me and even more so now I've begun reading Tom's book... 1- She tells Nick to "wake up" because the police knew she was killing people but let her carry on. 2- She mentioned to Nick that the guards were wrecking her head by sending sound waves into her cell and turning the vibrations up and down over and over. I don't think she was lying about any of this. Just a few things that are red flags to me.
There was a great series of videos called programmed to kill on yt years ago, linking basically all the top serial killers to naval intelligence, army, mind control and/or dark occultism. Stateside and England. Some of it was next level info that I’ve seen slowly theorised on by other parties or confirmed/echoed in the news here and there since, Gacy having accomplices and the like. One thing I remember standing out to me was Dahmer. He was an experiment. Had a cctv set up in his lounge. Rocked back and forth and phased out. His one escapee/survivor, a naked gay teen bleeding from the anus on a city street in daytime- was returned to his custody by the police that arrived. They looked in his apartment when there were bodies in barrels present- only to leave him as he was like everything was fine. There must have been at least an odour ffs. He was an asset and the police were told to back off, end of. Game the series got deleted though not at all surprising. It was tough but you could tell whoever made it lived in several rabbit holes.
Tom you are a true Super Hero! I love you! This was my favorite interview. Your investigation is so important the average person wouldn’t believe this incredible story. Many suspected something wasn’t right with the whole Charlie Manson story, he had help, a lot of it to get the story the way “they” wanted it told. Wormwood is a great film I hope yours turns out something like that 🤞🏼. Thank you for your tenacious journalism appreciate you.
Tom O'Neill should write a whole book on Vince Bugliosi! wow. Wow. WOW!!! what a fuggin dirt-bag. Prosecutors are like the slimiest bastards on the planet. Guys like VB (and Guilliani, and a few others i can think of) should be in an under-water prison with windows that don't close.
It's true that Bugliosi stalked his milkman. Someone got the depositions and included them near the end of thos video: th-cam.com/video/LUbAuWV8pB4/w-d-xo.html
Usually in these settings when the guy behind the mic keeps saying "Just have to read the book" I get mad, I think we all do. But then you put it into perspective.....20 YEARS of his life......Yeah, we can pay the price of admission on this one
14:11 did he just admit Marilyn Manson texted to make sure he got home okay? You might be a badass if Marilyn Manson texts you to make sure you got home okay.
Try to keep in mind that MM IS SIMPLY another human being; a Hollywood constructed "idol" built to make money. Why do you people STILL buy into a "brand"? Hollywood is demonic and it's a mess as are most of their MADE idols, who always fall from grace since they ARE human.
@@mjrotondi5086 you’re kind of being a toot but I actually agree 100%... 👿 is in charge of the world. To get in the club you gotta so very bad things. Like Charles Manson is a novice compared to most in Congress and the ones behind the curtain.
Paul Tate, Sharon's father, was military intelligence. Sharon at 16 years old, was straddling a US Missile for the cover of a 1960 issue "Stars and Stripes" magazine. Sharon was not married to Roman Polanski, she was in love with Jay Sebring aka: .Thomas John Kummer. Tom was the real father of Sharon's baby. She was not renewing her contract with MGM and, anyway. Abigail Folger had been groomed to be a private banker bursar like her mother, and she wasn't playing ball. They were both targeted and murdered for their own reasons. Haircuts were $1 then, "Jay Sebring" lived in a $1 Million property, any barbers you know living that large? You cannot fathom how deep this rabbit hole actually goes down.
I read his book, "Chaos". It's basically what happens when a reporter falls down a rabbit hole and never finds his way out. But this is still a cool interview.
...Dave McGowan's book "Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon" is better. It shows comprehensively that all of the 60s Laurel Canyon bands, producers, movie actors and Manson himself were military intelligence assets.
Dude, why did you interrupt Tom while he was talking about the Tex tapes, to talk about your air conditioner and change the subject? You ruined what was going to be the best part of the interview!
So the question remains- why did Terry Melcher lie on the stand? Did he want one of those ppl killed? This is just one of those cases where you’re never gonna find the answers to but the more you look the more questions and theories you have about what actually happened.
Probably because Melcher's mother was probably responsible for setting Manson off, by insulting him. Also, Melchor was most likely heavily involved in local drug trafficking and was compromised. Hence, Bugliosi was able to coerce him and control his narrative and testimony.
@@EastSide-qc5oy DD heard Manson's tapes, called it crap and told him to his face that he'd never amount to anything or get a recording contract - in front on TM, too. Its in O'Neill's book. He was enraged and insulted by this treatment, although the Tate snuffs were probably due to a drug debt, as well. Several plausible theories.
renaissance guerrilla I don’t remember reading that and it sounds EXTREMELY far-fetched. Was this another tidbit ONeill says he was told in a one-on-one conversation with someone who is now dead? like so many of his little stories?
Great Book Tom! In Shane O’Sullivans book Who Killed Bobby, Jolly West is brought up with possibly being the radio man that Sirhan was meeting with. West was involved with Patty Hearst & the SLO. He saw Jack Ruby. Dig deep in books like Who Killed the King , James earl ray saw a hypnotist, the attempted assassin of Wallace saw a hypnotist. West was at the top of his game but their was more like West out their. Read the book who killed John Lennon. Russ Bakers masterpiece Family of Secrets about the bushes is a must Read. Another strange thing is that when the Manson Murders occurred Polanski was in England looking for a location to film a movie called the Day of the Dolphin. A movie about a dolphin trained to assassinate the president. In the nonfiction book The Search For The Manchurian Candidate it clearly states that their was a CIA doctor at that same time obsessed with training dolphins with hypodermic needles attached to them to kill enemy frogmen. ( I know off subject but strange) Has anyone ever wondered why the Author of the book Manson Files which is extremely expensive can’t find it cheaper then 200$ who opposes the CIA theory and Ed Saunders book called the Family because of the connection to the satanic church called the process avoids questions about Reece Whitson at all costs. Everyone needs to dig deep. Things like Manson mastered the highest level of Scientology in which it has been proven that Hubbard was in fact extremely close to Aleister Crowley who was working closely with the CIA for years. Even the fact that a big time la costa nostra (Mafia) member Carbo was very close with Manson is huge because the CIA has been working hand & hand with the Mafia since project underground and with Vito Genoese in Italy When Patton liberated it. The Mafia & the CIA again ran the drug trade together! Read Strength of the Wolf by Valentine. Labianca was a massive gambler in huge debts to the mafi. This rabbit hole is massive and these things just are not coincidental. Must reads are Acid Dreams, Operation Mind Control, Journey Into The Madness, The Search For The Manchurian Candidate, Cointelpro, The Secret Team, The Cult of Intelligence, The Devil’s Chessboard & Who Killed Bobby. I’m currently researching Jonestown & my podcast/Vlog is about to restart soon. Manson, Kennedy, Ruby, MLK, RFK, Malcom X, Lennon , Hoffa, assassination attempts on Wallace , the Pope ,Reagan by Hinckley ( friends with bush VP and former director of CIA after MK-Ultra was exposed) the connections are insane. Do the research the answers are there. Thank you Tom for your dedication, we look forward to the next book. In the CIA the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. They portray this image that they are constantly screwing up. That’s all part of espionage. You only know what they want you to know. Everyone should listen to MAE BRUSSELS old radio shows. She was ahead of her time and this was her masterpiece. She covered all this.
Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail in Dallas, the other doctor that was already seeing Ruby as well as others who were dealing with Ruby have said he changed that day and never changed back to the person he was before that visit. I forget what book this is in but you can search to find this is the truth,
Exactly what I thought at the start of this video 👍😂 It's a compliment though, cause Napoleon is classic.... And "IT HURTS REALLY, REALLY BAD" When people make fun of you 😉😉😉
Mae Brussell was talking about all of this stuff ... in the early 1970s. If Tom could have listened to all of her material, or could have corresponded with her, before she mysteriously died, in 1988, maybe more could have been possible? But, I'm definitely buying this book.
Candace said she has contacted him, after he finishes the next book he will be on her show and since she has been taking about it there has been a massive spike in book sale.
Tom, why is Debra Tate utterly utterly disinterested in the fact that the official Bugliosi case has just unravelled with gaping holes? She seems to have nothing nice to say about you, but I've never heard you say anything negative about her, which is good. Does she live in a fantasy world about this story and just can't handle the truth? I really would like to know what's wrong with her. Surely her first and only loyalty should be to her sister Sharon and knowing the truth.
My guess would be that she came to terms with the Bugliosi version of what went down and that she doesn’t want to risk appeals caused by new information.
@@amyv8181 Sharon's whole family had a good relationship with Roman forever, Doris Tate met him in Paris at some point as I recall seeing in pictures.. and Debra likes him too. Not sure why they love him so much... But it could be because they were grieving together when it happened so they developed a bond.
@@amyv8181in my view, Debra Tate was and has been infatuated with Roman Polanski since she met him as a young teenager and when someone is infatuated with a person they cannot anything other than what they want to see. It's sad that she was infatuated with her big sister's boyfriend later husband and has not been able to outgrow it in more than half a century. Very sad.
One thing that I always thought important is that Tex Watson took along a long length of rope to Cielo Drive, along with wire cutters. The house had open ceiling beams and the rope was tied around the necks of the victims and over the beams. I think it shows that they knew exactly what the house was like as the rope was only used for that purpose.
@@JCLADOG Both Manson and Watson had been at the house before. Manson was rejected by Melcher for ending his dream of being a rock star which fueled his rage. He knew that Melcher had moved, but the house represented PIGS to him, so he sent his zombies out there anyway. It's not a coincidence that house was selected.
@@rocket2579 That motive was never quite substantiated based on the facts of the case. Additionally, why is the LAPD so adamant about not releasing the Watson tapes? Even attorneys have subpoenaed them based on the Freedom of Information act, but they still refuse. Could it be the that Watson's confession doesn't align with the state's narrative? Remember, Watson talked for over 20 hours before he had ever heard of the Helter Skelter motive and the mind control excuse that was used to convict Manson. Final point, if this was a revenge killing for Melcher "wronging" Manson, why did Melcher visit Manson several times post crime, before arrest?
@@JCLADOG It's always been disputed. At the trial there was absolutely no evidence presented that either Manson or Watson had ever been in the house before. Watson doesn't admit to having known the house in his own book, it's first mentioned in the book 'Chaos'. Manson hadn't been in Melcher's home himself either according to the trial testimony. Melcher said that Manson was in a car with Dennis Wilson when they once dropped him off on Cielo.
The author of the Sidney Gottlieb book, Kinzer, mentioned that Gottlieb dies of a possible suicide in 99, now Tom O’Neill says Jolyon West also topped himself off? Mindboggling.
Couldn't pause this it was so interesting and informative never heard or thought there was something squirrely going just confirms one planned and designed event this country lived through and we're planning future events insanity most people can't comprehend..thanks
I have no way of backing this up but it's known that they used jimsonweed at spahn ranch as a recreational drug, and it contains scopolamine, I've always wondered if Charles Manson discovered how obedient scop made people
@@ExploringtheKawithRa there's a record of Tex being found after wandering around for days,it was because he was eating a lot of datura root. I don't know where the link is but that's something you can find reported on somewhere
@@ExploringtheKawithRa Belladonna isn't found naturally around the ranch, it doesn't grow in the USA wild. the documents all say that they picked it out of the ground. they called jimsonweed belladonna because they didn't know what it was
Can we get another episode with Tom please if possible? I’m sure he’s really busy and so are you but I can’t get enough of these stories. I’m sure mor has been uncovered and it would be great to hear some more! Great episode nonetheless
I got a jaw-twinge just hearing about the “good stuff” coming out at MM’s house. Great storyline throughout the podcast - one of my favourites so far ❤️🤘💀🤘❤️
@@marymarmande8446 they are talking about marilyn manson not charles manson. When u said "while he was in prison" . Tom was doing coke with marilyn manson.
Get Tarantino to give you half a million for the rights to a document-series. It will be a hit & you can retire happy. Bravo & thank you for dedicating 2 decades to this historical mystery. Terry Melcher seemed to be a big piece of the puzzle. Wow!
What a really nice and fascinating chap Mr O'Neill is and delighted that I read Chaos and discovered him, here's to more work and exposure from the hombre named Tom O'Neill *
I LOVE the endnotes! Actually thought it was typical "cheating" with adding blank resources, so I tended to check all those that caused my doubts. I guess it took mi some months to go thru book with reading additional resources but it actually made it much more "fun" and satisfying. Looking forward seeing more from Tom, I guess the next book also will be one of few I am actually not "borrowing" from libgen but buying in paper edition. Also - he's so good in being a guest! I didn't expected so many backstage stories (that I actually never heard of before!).
O’Neil deserves a standing ovation by the entire world of journalism. Very very very few writers have put themselves this deep into a subject (not counting Hunter S. Thompson, Capote, Burroughs, etc.)
Read Maury Terry's Ultimate Evil if you want to see another crime consume another reporters life. Those books might as well be cousins.
Thompsons is a legend, imo
Listening to him talk about how difficult it was to get it published and the legal / financial side of it is incredible. It really goes to show how much podcasts and social media have upended traditional journalism. The long and short of it is the CIA didn’t cover their ass enough before the internet was invented, even then these are old school journalists or sons of victims / people personally invested in it as the only people looking into it. I was listening to the podcast with the guys that investigated Danny Castalero (sp) someone needs to put all these guys files in AI and see what it spits out lol
@@M2m1x'They All Love Jack' by Bruce Robinson. The parallels with CHAOS, and the writers' individual journeys, are quite bizarre.
Dont forget Bill Cooper.
I just bought this book last Monday, and I finished it this morning (Sunday). It's a Must-Read book! Tom earned every penny he makes from this! His tenacity, strength, and courage amid the daunting and overwhelming obstacles are just legendary! He deserves to be famous for it and immortalized in history!
Is this a spoiler for the book 📖?
He thinks Adolf Hitler was evil
I agree I also read it and was very impressed by his bibliography page !
Thx for the review! Im sure it's absolutely fascinating!
Good to know.
Tom O'Neill deserves a Pulitzer. I have read this book and recommended it to (and bought it for) students and am never tired of hearing O'Neill talk about his 20-year slog. And to hear him say that there is more and maybe a second book. So glad he teamed up with Dan Piepenbring and this story saw the light of day. The audiobook is a wonderful listen.
If you liked O’Neil’s book, you’d really like “Programmed To Kill” by David McGowan. It’s eye opening, and shocking. Great read.
Lol Tom O’Neil is full of shot. Even he said himself he can’t prove everything in Chaos is a fact
@@MeeMee-gz5vp he’s not “full of shit”…. Just because there’s not physical evidence of something, doesn’t mean that something can’t be inferred… Look at Bundy.. He was essentially convicted with ZERO definitive physical evidence. So even courts will convict without physical evidence. And yes, O’Neil HAD TO say he couldn’t definitively prove certain things for legal reasons. The same reason media hosts will say “ALLEGEDLY the man arrested for SA this past weekend SA’d a minor.” Because the person isn’t yet convicted, they have to say allegedly for legal reasons. That’s the same reason O’Neil said that about “Chaos”. What’s PROVEN in “Chaos”, is that Bugliosi was a crazy person and a drunk who had multiple complaints/reports made on him by some women who he was stalking and intimidating. He made up so much of the stuff he used in the trial and in his book “Helter Skelter”. That book is complete garbage. That book is a total lie. They say these same things about Maury Terry, the guy who deeply investigated the theory of David Berkowitz, the “Son of Sam”, being involved in a satanic cult, and that he wasn’t the only shooter, but was just 1 of 4.
@@onemaddad3823 idk maybe I’m the odd one out here, but until an assertion is proven true without a reasonable doubt, I don’t believe in that assertion. To each his/her own.
As for Bundy, and Aileen Wuornos for that matter, it didn’t help either of their cases by admitting to being the murderer. And didn’t Bundy have dental comparisons with the bite marks on one of his victims?
Not to get too far off the subject, I think Chaos is another well-written theory as with all of the books published on this case. Also, that’s not news about Vincent Bugliosi - that’s almost as old as the murders themselves. In fact, just about everything in O’neil’s book is OLD NEWS, for the exception of his own theories.
So what new “news” did Tom O’neil’s Chaos sell you?
@@onemaddad3823 one more thing… everything in Bugliosi’s Helter Skelter is not a lie. How do I know? Because Bugliosi backs up what he says, such as tape and video recordings of the actual person telling what happened, unlike Tom O’Neil who just regurgitates what was already common knowledge about the case and adds a few spicy tidbits to appear like he’s privileged to hidden information. Anyone can do that, man, true crime writers have been doing that for years.
The only thing out of Bugliosi’s book that was a lie is the race war theory itself. But because a race war wasn’t such a far fetched idea back in those days, and several family members did say they used to talk about an impending race war during their fireside chats, this made Bugliosi’s theory more believable.
But regardless of why the murders happened, that still doesn’t lighten the fact that people were viciously and mercilessly slaughtered. It’s the act of murder itself that’s still appalling. Just my two cents.
Tom O'Neill's 'CHAOS' is the most important book on Charles Manson ever written. Excellent journalism.
100%. If you liked “Chaos”, you should check out a book called “Programmed To Kill” by David McGowan.
@@onemaddad3823 Excellent recommendation. I would also say McGowan’s book on Laurel Canyon is essential and very interesting in how it overlaps with the Manson/Dennis Wilson/etc group discussed in Tom’s book.
@@CircuitRider yes! Great book. Laurel Canyon is full of mysteries/theories, and so many murders. Ramon Navarro, The Wonderland Murders, etc.
Is that a fact@stddisclaimer8020
this man's dedication to getting the story is almost unbelievable
You have to respect guys who NEVER give up and seek the truth
Agree❤❤
Indeed
Amen
Amen
Especially when raised with truth and being lied and betrayed by those same people work LIES!
Tom is literally the greatest guest of all time. I can’t get enough of his work. I hope Joe Rogan has him on again.
Oh a Joe Rogan fan how cool 🤮
@@usernotfound904 not really. He just asked good questions during his interview. Stop being such a dick man. It’ll get you further in life.
@@jaydenrock don’t waste your time man, “no user found”=no brain in that troll head…
Tom’s/joe rogan interview clearly stands at the top five greatest interviews here in TH-cam…
@@isailopez4132 that makes a lot of sense. Dudes on here just to be a prick but wants to stay anonymous. Kinda a cowardly thing to do.
I agree though. I’ve watched that interview 3-4 times. I even bought the book and reading it now. Man is it interesting. It crazy they will go that far to let a criminal like Manson go free, just to disparage the hippie/anti-war movement. Makes me wonder what kind of nonsense the CIA is up to now?
@@jaydenrock ignore that lame 😵💫, clearly too much of a hipster to watch Joe Rogan, it stands firm as one of Joe’s best guests for me, revisited a couple times 🙏🏻
Saw Tom O'Neill at Joe Rogan's podcast, and ordered the book immediately. Was my read of the summer 2020 - highly recommended! And if you, like me, feel confused about the intense name dropping in the first 100 pages or so, take notes about names and relations to each other. Helped me a great deal to fully understand the big web of suspects and acquaintances that Tom O'Neill lay out. Incredible piece of journalism!
It was a phenomenal book!
Exact same experience in summer ‘20.
It really changed my view on other parts of US history as well.
Let me borrow it
Thanks for the tip. I just put the book on hold at the library.
It’s not really journalism. Tom is trying to appeal to conspiracy theorists. There’s ZERO evidence Manson had anything to do with the CIA.
This is my absolute favorite podcast of yours. You should call Tom up, ask if he has enough new information to make a new podcast out of, and have him come on again!
I am so thankful to Tom for these interviews. I will read his book Chaos. I have two daughters who have tried to talk to me about the incident as many of us born in the sixties and were young remember how it affected us. It has been hard to talk about because of the emotions it brings back But listening to Tom talk about the truth of what really happened helps me put it in to perspective. I really appreciate that. I can't wait to read his book.
I am a hippy from the 60s and I (we) have a lot of emotions from that time.
Why are y'all so emotional? Like yeah, it was a tragedy but unless you were actually close to someone affected or it affected you directly, why would you let that affect you that much?
Tom's book is a revelation. Actually, MANY revelations. It's a true eye-opener.
@@CertifiedClapaholic Maybe it brought home to them the reality and true nature of hippy.
I was a child of hippies, and there were some who took advantage of what was going on.
there were good people, there were not-so-good people---there were definitely not very many RULES.
I read this book a few months ago, I was really impressed how Tom O’Neill’s family truly supported him throughout his process, that says a lot about him and the great family he comes from
The CIA also supports this "controlled disclosure". Tom O'neil is on the payroll of CIA. Otherwise, he'd never be allowed on JRE. Same as Alex Jones.
@@FookU2b WTF are you taking about? Sure, the CIA want Tom to talk about MK Ultra and about using the Manson murders against the hippy moment, you spook.
@@sergeikhripun he’s putting stuff together which he did a great doing so. But we are so saturated with information from all over the place that unless the media puts this story on rotation like everything else… then people won’t care.
@@mightyea this way of life was purposely engineered
@@Lucky-sh1dm Most definitely, the internet is the best opportunity we the people have ever had to break away from that system and share knowledge freely that isn’t tainted with agendas.
Imagine all the crimes that would not have occurred if the CIA never existed?
Amen! 🙏🏻
It's just a new name for an old agency. Started in England. After WWII they saw the dwindling power of England and came over to the states. Think it was called Angelo alliance or something to that nature. Anyways, the families in power have been the same for centuries
Mind blowing.
@@Hhuhbvhjbhjb I was going to say don't forget about the FBI , NSA ,ATF
@@Hhuhbvhjbhjb it was actually called the oss i forgot what it stood for but yeah the oss became the cia
I just love that it took this sweet man 20+ years to finish this book. This book and subsequent publications have come to be a major definition of his life. Most human beings would kill for meaning like that. Big ups bruh!
I realize this comment is 1+ years old but I gotta say it's an interesting choice of words given the subject matter 👀🥴
He is a sweety, yeah
I realize it's a year later, but touché@@jungwolf1987
I read John Marks book over 20 years ago, and I'm so glad Tom's work brings more information and stories on MK Ultra.
Tom O'Neill i greatly respect you for spreading awareness on this subject.
Absolutely captivating. This man deserves a journalist achievement award.
Never gonna happen. The powers that be will Never allow it. Shocked he hasn't had death threats
100%
@@MG-cd9ek took the words out of my mouth.
Don't all of the very best and I just thank god for finding muses such as Mr O'Neill and wish him all the very best regardless of futile awards 😍
A Journalist Achievement award in 2021 is prison without trial
I've been listening less than year but I can say after years of listening to podcasts you're up there with the best of them
I wish my great Uncle was still alive. He was a Detective on the Manson murders. Many years later he told us things that was "unbelievable". But now we know it is true.
what did he share
.
Can you elaborate please?
Dude, I wish your great Uncle was still alive!
Can you tell us ?
just ordered Tom's Book 'Chaos - cant wait to get it! Thankyou - London, UK
One of the best intriguing interviews I’ve ever seen! Like oh my gosh, wow level of detail he has in his mind is incredible! Fast is three hours of my life and man I’m the better for it
Great interview. Got this suggestion by the algorithm.
Thank you for allowing him to speak and not interrupting. He covered so much in just a couple of hours.
Excited about getting his book.
Subscribed.
This is part of what needs to be taught in school nowadays. How corrupt our government really is !!!
read devils chessboard as well
It is taught indirectly in all public schools.
Schools are part of the corrupt cult that wants to control the narrative and what is taught and learned
👍🏽definitely!!!🇺🇸
Even if your kids attend public school, teach this at home! Kids can still learn from a system they're allowed to see the failings of.
As a teenager I was convinced Marilyn Manson was Paul Pfeiffer from The Wonder Years. Hahaha so silly.
They used to say that Alice Cooper was Eddie Haskell
I knew a guy for awhile (gym) here in the Midwest who turned out to not only have gone through high school in the South Bay with Lynette Fromme but actually drove her to school and back in his carpool click. He was popular because he had a sweet 60’s convertible Mustang. He brought his signed with note (from her) yearbook to the gym one day to show me. He remembered her well. He said she was like the typical kind of hippie girl but she was really into the environmental aspect of it. He said there was strife in the home which led to her parents kicking her out of the house after high school. Apparently she met the family/Manson right, like immediately, after getting kicked out of the house. It made think, what if she got kicked out a day or two earlier or a day or two later. She probably never would have met and got groomed into the family and her destiny would have been much different.
Absolutely fascinating 👏 I still can't get enough of Tom O'Neil interviews .
One of the most fascinating persons I've ever seen interviewed. Wow, what a story, what a great memory, and what a wild life !!! Gotta get the book now.
I half expected in the middle of the interview this guy's mom to start shouting down the stairs _Rupert........ _*_turn that thing off!_*
60's music industry and hippie movement was also CIA movement . it is amazing how many people were connected to Charles Manson kind of guys.
Jim
Morrison’s father was a very involved CIA agent check out Dayz of Noah he does a video on the CIA and it’s involvement with Pop culture
Forever fascinating. I’m 46 years old now and when I was a tween my hippie father gave me helter skelter to read. It blew my whole mind. I wanted to leave home so bad and find a new family. Later he gave me My Life with Charles Manson when I was around 16. Still think about the reality of psychic fences.
We used to drive around the desert and talk about Manson for hours. Wish he was here to listen to Chaos with me. He was always resentful that Manson stole the 60s from him and my mother.
Fun fact my brother moved in with a cult for four years in the California desert. He was the lure for fragile females. The front of young sexually liberated egoless females was the financial basis and fed the collective.
Morrison's father was the naval officer who was responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which served to draw American troops to the Vietnam War.
@@chadwhite2931 yup
@@melissamartinez3593 Jim Morrison's father was the Navy Admiral that was responsible for the introduction into the Vietnam War with the False Flag attack known as "The Gulf of Tonkin incident." It also was known as the USS Maddox incident. Admiral George Steven Morrison was in charge of the carrier group during the USS Maddoc incident and was also a high-level Naval Intelligence Officer. However, Admiral Morrison who was Jim Morrison's father was NOT a CIA Agent.
Great Interview! I was 18 when these murders happened. I read the book, but I love listening to Tom O'Neil talk about it. Please talk him into doing his own podcast. He's a great talker! Love you guys....Great podcast
Buying the book. Great interview! Not only the subject but the amazing view of what investigative journalism is really about. Bravo Mr. O'Neil
Thank you. 💜 I wish there were more podcast episodes with Tom. The video and audio quality is great, and Tom is amazing! Have him on again?
Really Enjoy this rabbit hole that I've jumped down with Tom O'Neil. Can't stop reading and watching about MK-Ultra and the wake it left behind.
Ah the good old days when the swamp was just a swamp and not a massive fucken ocean
It was an ocean. We just didn't know. It was the big secret.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha - So True !!
The Freakin MoFos !!
mj Rotondi - Yep 👍 Good Point !!
Correction Sir We the People are the ocean they are but a puddle. Imagine if all of America woke up to their plans. They would 't stand a chance.
@@Isaac33Noles bingo!
As a 30 year student of the Manson case, Tom's book is the best of the bunch. Great interview...solid podcast, new subscriber here
Never mentioned in any docs that Ted Kaczynski was a victim of MK research on East Coast, post MA degree, Ivy league.
How is this interview so underrated
It was shadow banned for awhile
this one was better than the rogan interview
Tom has an amazing recall. The names he named and the times he lived; obviously (I stopped and researched so many times in this as he just rolled) what a story he has to tell. He needs a publisher, a guided professional. I don't think even HE knows how much he really knows - but is there a process to fill it all out? Interesting man and he has been so patient to gather the experiences he freely speaks of.
He has published the book "Chaos".
It would be a crime not to do a documentary on this. This is a book to read multiple times.
The drug that he said Terry Melcher was into is called “Dilaudid” aka Hydromorphone. It has a rush comparible to heroin, but is a pharmaceutical pill. For the discerning opiate addict. Thank you so much for a great podcast! I bought the audible version of Chaos and it was great. Now I’m going to have to buy the paperback to read the notes at the back! Thanks again! And I can’t believe Hamilton Morris’s dad is Errol Morris!?!?! No wonder Hamilton got famous so quick. Love both their work! Wormwood was great!
Known as Ds in the hood be careful if anyone’s looking for em a lot are home pill milled with Fenny in it these days can kill newcomers in a split second
It's actually not very bioavailable when taken orally. That's why you usually get it via IV in the hospital
The government knew damn well before they released Dilaudid that it wasn't bio available from the gut.. I would never waste one of those and swallow one
@@aaronmiller7954 I used to snort them. Instant bliss.
@@Unsubscribedd in the early 70s DEA cracked down on the drug even going as far as harassing doctors of terminal patients and threatening them to not prescribe it. They even went to patient's homes to intimidate.
I can’t wait to buy the book. Great interview. A privilege to be a listener. Wow wow wow.
I read the book cover to cover twice and am on third. It's incredible. Granted this subject has been an obsession for me for years, but still the book is freaking amazing.
Book has been out for at least a year
As a child of hippies during that time; i have always been fascinated with the 60's and especially with the Manson incident. I read Bugliosi's book while babysitting one night as a teen; had read "the Family" by Ed Sanders when i was about 11. Read Paul's book about being in the Family.
I've read "Chaos" twice ; then saw that the book about Sidney Gottlieb "Poisoner in Chief" was at my library and read that.
There are so many tentacles that reach out into so many things...you could really spend a lifetime.
This guy tells a fantastic story thank you all
Fact stranger than fiction every time. Excellent interview.
I could go on and on about how I intended to only watch this for 5-10 minutes because of other tentitives on my agenda, only to watch the video start to finish with no breaks.
I could focus on how comfortable I found the interviewer's technique to be and as a result of his genuine listening skills, the momentum of information that was able to be gained as a result, and the quality of his follow-up questions.
I could also mention the incredible level of likability Tom O'Neill has the extraordinary level of research and due diligence he has invested. His work and demeanor reek of credibility.
But since I'm easily the most important person in my very real, very 2022 life, I have to mention how thoroughly insulted and disgusted I am with Amazon now. There have been a number of minor little business mistakes they have made in the past on my accounts, nothing that has ultimately not been rectified rather quickly and nothing that has kept me from moving probably +$750,000.00 through their buying service.
"Steering away from White, middle-aged protagonists!", is racist and agist. But put those terms du jour aside. That is the language and thought-pattern of a Jedi-level, steaming piece of shit, sub-moron. You know a complete and total dumbass. A failure.
I'm going to spend some time reevaluating where and through whom I spend my hard-earned, considerable cheese.
Congratulations on such a work Mr. O'Neill--it has renewed my faith in journalists and the field of journalism, which ironically has lessened my faith in that much more of my fellow Americans.
relax chief. When they start telling the truth and calling people out in mainstream media my faith will be renewed.
This interview is even BETTER than the Joe Rogan spot!
This was an absolutely fascinating interview! I am definitely buying this book
This Book and the Man who dedicated his life to it...are both incredible.
This was the best interview I've ever listened, Bravo.
Also, MR O'Neill.. I've nothing but respect & love for you, sir.
Blessings. Keep the sunny side-up
Great Interview True Crime is so crazy cause you never get the full truth and probably for the better cause it’s so unreal just shocking Tom has such heart and grit to go through all those years writing this book
The other problem with AUDIO is that many people get distracted by other noise or think they can multitask and absorb all that's being read... and they can't.
Great interview. I could listen to Tom O'Neill all day. Thank you.
This has made me think about Nick Brookfield's doco with Aileen Warnous. She said two things that stuck out to me and even more so now I've begun reading Tom's book...
1- She tells Nick to "wake up" because the police knew she was killing people but let her carry on.
2- She mentioned to Nick that the guards were wrecking her head by sending sound waves into her cell and turning the vibrations up and down over and over.
I don't think she was lying about any of this.
Just a few things that are red flags to me.
I remember that and I thought at the time we could never know if what she was saying is true because she’s been labeled as crazy.
I remember that, also it was rumored one of her johns was the chief of police
I want to rewatch that doc now.
So are you saying she was mk ultraed? To kill police chief? I'm very familiar w her case and would love to know more.
There was a great series of videos called programmed to kill on yt years ago, linking basically all the top serial killers to naval intelligence, army, mind control and/or dark occultism. Stateside and England. Some of it was next level info that I’ve seen slowly theorised on by other parties or confirmed/echoed in the news here and there since, Gacy having accomplices and the like. One thing I remember standing out to me was Dahmer. He was an experiment. Had a cctv set up in his lounge. Rocked back and forth and phased out. His one escapee/survivor, a naked gay teen bleeding from the anus on a city street in daytime- was returned to his custody by the police that arrived. They looked in his apartment when there were bodies in barrels present- only to leave him as he was like everything was fine. There must have been at least an odour ffs. He was an asset and the police were told to back off, end of. Game the series got deleted though not at all surprising. It was tough but you could tell whoever made it lived in several rabbit holes.
Tom you are a true Super Hero! I love you! This was my favorite interview. Your investigation is so important the average person wouldn’t believe this incredible story. Many suspected something wasn’t right with the whole Charlie Manson story, he had help, a lot of it to get the story the way “they” wanted it told.
Wormwood is a great film I hope yours turns out something like that 🤞🏼. Thank you for your tenacious journalism appreciate you.
Awesome book and awesome interview. I could listen to tom for hours.
Definitely want to see a movie or docu series about Tom's life.
Tom O'Neill should write a whole book on Vince Bugliosi! wow. Wow. WOW!!! what a fuggin dirt-bag. Prosecutors are like the slimiest bastards on the planet. Guys like VB (and Guilliani, and a few others i can think of) should be in an under-water prison with windows that don't close.
It's true that Bugliosi stalked his milkman. Someone got the depositions and included them near the end of thos video: th-cam.com/video/LUbAuWV8pB4/w-d-xo.html
Usually in these settings when the guy behind the mic keeps saying "Just have to read the book" I get mad, I think we all do.
But then you put it into perspective.....20 YEARS of his life......Yeah, we can pay the price of admission on this one
Very nice to see the truth win sometimes. Congratulations to Mr. O'Neill.
14:11 did he just admit Marilyn Manson texted to make sure he got home okay? You might be a badass if Marilyn Manson texts you to make sure you got home okay.
or a sexual predator homie
Try to keep in mind that MM IS SIMPLY another human being; a Hollywood constructed "idol" built
to make money. Why do you people STILL buy into a "brand"? Hollywood is demonic and it's a
mess as are most of their MADE idols, who always fall from grace since they ARE human.
@@mjrotondi5086 you’re kind of being a toot but I actually agree 100%... 👿 is in charge of the world. To get in the club you gotta so very bad things. Like Charles Manson is a novice compared to most in Congress and the ones behind the curtain.
@@HammerOfJustice124 #TrueStory
Tom is a bad ass.
Paul Tate, Sharon's father, was military intelligence. Sharon at 16 years old, was straddling a US Missile for the cover of a 1960 issue "Stars and Stripes" magazine. Sharon was not married to Roman Polanski, she was in love with Jay Sebring aka: .Thomas John Kummer. Tom was the real father of Sharon's baby. She was not renewing her contract with MGM and, anyway. Abigail Folger had been groomed to be a private banker bursar like her mother, and she wasn't playing ball. They were both targeted and murdered for their own reasons. Haircuts were $1 then, "Jay Sebring" lived in a $1 Million property, any barbers you know living that large? You cannot fathom how deep this rabbit hole actually goes down.
He was was pulling $50-$100+ per styling, redefining men's styling; not to mention being one of Hollywood's top coke slingers.
You are not right about anything. Not one thing.
Cocaine didn't cost $1...😂
Sharon was gonna leave Roman for Jay.
Jay was the baby's father?
I read his book, "Chaos". It's basically what happens when a reporter falls down a rabbit hole and never finds his way out. But this is still a cool interview.
So good. Hearing the Truth Out. Thank you.
People need to wake up.
I rarely read books. I prefer articles and op-ed pieces, but I bought and read Tom’s book. I couldn’t put it down.
I recommend it to you.
Dude that’s nuts. Great content Danny. Keep em coming.
I bought Chaos I really recommend it, it's incredibly fascinating
What the mk ultra angle? I'm more interested what was really going on between the family and them.hollywood stars.
I bought the book immediately after I saw his Joe Rogan interview ! This is TRUE journalism!
Ordo ab chao
Best 'Manson' book out there, probably nearer to the truth than the rest.....
...Dave McGowan's book "Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon" is better.
It shows comprehensively that all of the 60s Laurel Canyon bands, producers, movie actors and Manson himself were military intelligence assets.
Dude, why did you interrupt Tom while he was talking about the Tex tapes, to talk about your air conditioner and change the subject? You ruined what was going to be the best part of the interview!
Bought the book, read in three days (nights), and I loved it. I can’t imagine taking in this information via audiobook.
Oh Man....I am down the rabbit hole on this stuff. This is crazy.... great work...
Love your talk Tom. Could listen to you for hours.
Mansion is childs play compared to the PSYchological OPerations that’s being perpetuated on us today.
Welcome to the machine
So the question remains- why did Terry Melcher lie on the stand? Did he want one of those ppl killed? This is just one of those cases where you’re never gonna find the answers to but the more you look the more questions and theories you have about what actually happened.
Probably because Melcher's mother was probably responsible for setting Manson off, by insulting him. Also, Melchor was most likely heavily involved in local drug trafficking and was compromised. Hence, Bugliosi was able to coerce him and control his narrative and testimony.
renaissance guerrilla Doris Day was responsible for “setting Manson off”? What does that even mean?
@@EastSide-qc5oy DD heard Manson's tapes, called it crap and told him to his face that he'd never amount to anything or get a recording contract - in front on TM, too. Its in O'Neill's book. He was enraged and insulted by this treatment, although the Tate snuffs were probably due to a drug debt, as well. Several plausible theories.
renaissance guerrilla I don’t remember reading that and it sounds EXTREMELY far-fetched. Was this another tidbit ONeill says he was told in a one-on-one conversation with someone who is now dead? like so many of his little stories?
@@EastSide-qc5oy O'Neill provides primary sources for most of his material, and he's pretty transparent about what he can prove and cannot.
Great Book Tom! In Shane O’Sullivans book Who Killed Bobby, Jolly West is brought up with possibly being the radio man that Sirhan was meeting with. West was involved with Patty Hearst & the SLO. He saw Jack Ruby. Dig deep in books like Who Killed the King , James earl ray saw a hypnotist, the attempted assassin of Wallace saw a hypnotist. West was at the top of his game but their was more like West out their. Read the book who killed John Lennon. Russ Bakers masterpiece Family of Secrets about the bushes is a must Read. Another strange thing is that when the Manson Murders occurred Polanski was in England looking for a location to film a movie called the Day of the Dolphin. A movie about a dolphin trained to assassinate the president. In the nonfiction book The Search For The Manchurian Candidate it clearly states that their was a CIA doctor at that same time obsessed with training dolphins with hypodermic needles attached to them to kill enemy frogmen. ( I know off subject but strange) Has anyone ever wondered why the Author of the book Manson Files which is extremely expensive can’t find it cheaper then 200$ who opposes the CIA theory and Ed Saunders book called the Family because of the connection to the satanic church called the process avoids questions about Reece Whitson at all costs. Everyone needs to dig deep. Things like Manson mastered the highest level of Scientology in which it has been proven that Hubbard was in fact extremely close to Aleister Crowley who was working closely with the CIA for years. Even the fact that a big time la costa nostra (Mafia) member Carbo was very close with Manson is huge because the CIA has been working hand & hand with the Mafia since project underground and with Vito Genoese in Italy When Patton liberated it. The Mafia & the CIA again ran the drug trade together! Read Strength of the Wolf by Valentine. Labianca was a massive gambler in huge debts to the mafi. This rabbit hole is massive and these things just are not coincidental. Must reads are Acid Dreams, Operation Mind Control, Journey Into The Madness, The Search For The Manchurian Candidate, Cointelpro, The Secret Team, The Cult of Intelligence, The Devil’s Chessboard & Who Killed Bobby. I’m currently researching Jonestown & my podcast/Vlog is about to restart soon. Manson, Kennedy, Ruby, MLK, RFK, Malcom X, Lennon , Hoffa, assassination attempts on Wallace , the Pope ,Reagan by Hinckley ( friends with bush VP and former director of CIA after MK-Ultra was exposed) the connections are insane. Do the research the answers are there. Thank you Tom for your dedication, we look forward to the next book. In the CIA the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. They portray this image that they are constantly screwing up. That’s all part of espionage. You only know what they want you to know. Everyone should listen to MAE BRUSSELS old radio shows. She was ahead of her time and this was her masterpiece. She covered all this.
Man, I want you on a podcast! Fascinating
You would love Lisa Pease and her book on Bobby Kennedy.
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It's released now if you want to see it@@jimnavarro6859
Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail in Dallas, the other doctor that was already seeing Ruby as well as others who were dealing with Ruby have said he changed that day and never changed back to the person he was before that visit. I forget what book this is in but you can search to find this is the truth,
I didn't know Napoleon Dynamite had a TH-cam channel.
That is so spot on and I knew I was thinking something, that- was it., lol.
Burn another 1 !!!!!!
Exactly what I thought at the start of this video 👍😂
It's a compliment though, cause Napoleon is classic....
And "IT HURTS REALLY, REALLY BAD"
When people make fun of you 😉😉😉
Mae Brussell was talking about all of this stuff ... in the early 1970s.
If Tom could have listened to all of her material, or could have corresponded with her, before she mysteriously died, in 1988, maybe more could have been possible?
But, I'm definitely buying this book.
WHILE I watched Tom on the JRE I ordered his book, I will certainly be ordering the follow up.
Thank You for all the hard work Tom
My grandpa worked the labianca murders and the body with WAR carved into the stomach was a part of his book cover Profiles in murder
FBI states they were "Rogue Agents". This is what they use to distance themselves from the agent's criminal activity.
BTW , it was Candace Owens that convinced me to read it, he should contact her to be on her podcast cast !!!!!
Candace said she has contacted him, after he finishes the next book he will be on her show and since she has been taking about it there has been a massive spike in book sale.
Tom, why is Debra Tate utterly utterly disinterested in the fact that the official Bugliosi case has just unravelled with gaping holes? She seems to have nothing nice to say about you, but I've never heard you say anything negative about her, which is good. Does she live in a fantasy world about this story and just can't handle the truth? I really would like to know what's wrong with her. Surely her first and only loyalty should be to her sister Sharon and knowing the truth.
My guess would be that she came to terms with the Bugliosi version of what went down and that she doesn’t want to risk appeals caused by new information.
She probably just wants to get it out of her life and move on. It was incredibly hard on her family
She also loves that scumbag Roman which I don’t understand because he treated Sharon badly from many accounts.
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Sharon's whole family had a good relationship with Roman forever, Doris Tate met him in Paris at some point as I recall seeing in pictures.. and Debra likes him too. Not sure why they love him so much... But it could be because they were grieving together when it happened so they developed a bond.
@@amyv8181in my view, Debra Tate was and has been infatuated with Roman Polanski since she met him as a young teenager and when someone is infatuated with a person they cannot anything other than what they want to see. It's sad that she was infatuated with her big sister's boyfriend later husband and has not been able to outgrow it in more than half a century. Very sad.
Fascinating man. Thankyou for your life's work Mr. Oneil
One thing that I always thought important is that Tex Watson took along a long length of rope to Cielo Drive, along with wire cutters. The house had open ceiling beams and the rope was tied around the necks of the victims and over the beams. I think it shows that they knew exactly what the house was like as the rope was only used for that purpose.
He had been inside the house prior and that was never disputed
@@JCLADOG Both Manson and Watson had been at the house before. Manson was rejected by Melcher for ending his dream of being a rock star which fueled his rage. He knew that Melcher had moved, but the house represented PIGS to him, so he sent his zombies out there anyway. It's not a coincidence that house was selected.
@@rocket2579 That motive was never quite substantiated based on the facts of the case. Additionally, why is the LAPD so adamant about not releasing the Watson tapes? Even attorneys have subpoenaed them based on the Freedom of Information act, but they still refuse. Could it be the that Watson's confession doesn't align with the state's narrative? Remember, Watson talked for over 20 hours before he had ever heard of the Helter Skelter motive and the mind control excuse that was used to convict Manson. Final point, if this was a revenge killing for Melcher "wronging" Manson, why did Melcher visit Manson several times post crime, before arrest?
Listen to his version of that event on joe rogans podcast … he explains it differently …
@@JCLADOG It's always been disputed. At the trial there was absolutely no evidence presented that either Manson or Watson had ever been in the house before. Watson doesn't admit to having known the house in his own book, it's first mentioned in the book 'Chaos'. Manson hadn't been in Melcher's home himself either according to the trial testimony. Melcher said that Manson was in a car with Dennis Wilson when they once dropped him off on Cielo.
The author of the Sidney Gottlieb book, Kinzer, mentioned that Gottlieb dies of a possible suicide in 99, now Tom O’Neill says Jolyon West also topped himself off? Mindboggling.
Couldn't pause this it was so interesting and informative never heard or thought there was something squirrely going just confirms one planned and designed event this country lived through and we're planning future events insanity most people can't comprehend..thanks
Fantastic interview. Omg so much time. He is a determined journalist. I can only imagine the toll it had on his personal relationships
As always, another compelling interview.
That was the best interview I’ve seen on YT. Well done. Brilliant guest. Couldn’t put my phone down. Riveting.
I have no way of backing this up but it's known that they used jimsonweed at spahn ranch as a recreational drug, and it contains scopolamine, I've always wondered if Charles Manson discovered how obedient scop made people
Lots of available natural psychotropics. Dosage can be tricky though.
I almost ended up killing a kid in high school that requested I bring him a bunch of Jimson seeds from our horse farm....
They used Belladonna
@@ExploringtheKawithRa there's a record of Tex being found after wandering around for days,it was because he was eating a lot of datura root. I don't know where the link is but that's something you can find reported on somewhere
@@ExploringtheKawithRa Belladonna isn't found naturally around the ranch, it doesn't grow in the USA wild. the documents all say that they picked it out of the ground. they called jimsonweed belladonna because they didn't know what it was
It's an amazing book. And a complete must read or listen. Truly amazing story for not just Tom but for the entire Manson case.
This man seems to be a beautiful human. Have not seen a bad interview. So sweet 💗
Fascinating Guest! Thanks
Can we get another episode with Tom please if possible? I’m sure he’s really busy and so are you but I can’t get enough of these stories. I’m sure mor has been uncovered and it would be great to hear some more! Great episode nonetheless
Toms book chaos is amazing, the research and detail..i bought it after hearing him speak on the Opermann programme...fascinating stuff
I got a jaw-twinge just hearing about the “good stuff” coming out at MM’s house. Great storyline throughout the podcast - one of my favourites so far ❤️🤘💀🤘❤️
I met mansons personal assistant in Hollywood at an after hours party he said would have him pick up an 8 ball for him almost every night
@@lr2119 while he was in prison
@@marymarmande8446 marilyn not cm
@@muhammadal-baghdadi9660 what?
@@marymarmande8446 they are talking about marilyn manson not charles manson. When u said "while he was in prison" . Tom was doing coke with marilyn manson.
My hat is off to O'Neill as a professional writer - the story of his perseverance to write the book "Chaos" would make a better movie than "Zodiac".
Get Tarantino to give you half a million for the rights to a document-series. It will be a hit & you can retire happy. Bravo & thank you for dedicating 2 decades to this historical mystery. Terry Melcher seemed to be a big piece of the puzzle. Wow!
What a really nice and fascinating chap Mr O'Neill is and delighted that I read Chaos and discovered him, here's to more work and exposure from the hombre named Tom O'Neill *
I LOVE the endnotes! Actually thought it was typical "cheating" with adding blank resources, so I tended to check all those that caused my doubts. I guess it took mi some months to go thru book with reading additional resources but it actually made it much more "fun" and satisfying. Looking forward seeing more from Tom, I guess the next book also will be one of few I am actually not "borrowing" from libgen but buying in paper edition.
Also - he's so good in being a guest! I didn't expected so many backstage stories (that I actually never heard of before!).