It’s a shame these reviews never look into aftermarket support such as availability of replacement bearings and price. Some brands are terrible at distributing parts and expensive.
A Specialized pedal striking the ground? I am shocked I say, SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked... It is interesting the Stumpy can be set up MX and I believe this Troy can be made 29er. Which I feel even with flip chipping stuff would accentuate that BB height narrative. Sounds like this bike in 29er would be great? And stumpy in MX might be iffy?
@@LaurentiusTriarius full suspension? id rather just buy a safer bike than mentally adjust to it. thats asking for a broken toe even without crashing. I wouldn't want to descend a tech trail on a sub 330mm bb FS bike. just gonna vote with my wallet because its not worth the broken toe...
@@206board ya I demo'd it. good fun. but it was on flow trails so I can't quite speak to its BB design. though I know Specialized was at the forefront of the 'let the pedals hit the floor' remix design ideology. mid to long travel probly shouldnt be close to 330mm imo
Bikes are built as a series of compromises, none more so than "Quiver Killers". No bike can truly "do it all", that's the issue. It's not that I don't want one perfect bike, it's just that it doesn't exist and its disingenuous to suggest that it does. For example, I ride XC, trail, all-mountain/enduro and park. What bike is a quiver killer for me? The Troy leans way harder to the all mountain/enduro side of the spectrum. It would be trash on undulating single track. Could you ride it on XC track? Sure, but it's going to rob you of all kinds of fun. And even in this review they say it can be overwhelmed in fast chunk... so then it's not really great in the park either. You can only accurately call a bike a "Quiver killer" if the rider only rides a narrow band of trail styles, styles that the bike is well suited to. Maybe the Troy can cover trail, all mountain/enduro and park duty, but it's only really going to be well suited to all mountain/enduro riding. Add to that that every rider has their own preferences for terrain and trail style and it begs the question, how can a bike be a one-size-fits-all solution?
@@BoardinorBored aesthetics is a very important aspect of life, whether it comes to people or objects. I wouldnt pay 10 bucks for an ugly piece of equipment let alone over 5 k. Especially if it has a lousy suspension platform and does nothing better than its competitors.
@@andresdavila4500 stand over heights and / or seat tube lengths have gotten shorter. 125mm would be okay if your BB is high and seat tube is long so your bike is already up your @55 but with the BB so low and saet tubes so short... a 125mm post would need to be run multiple inches out to get to pedal stroke. if a frame can take it... better to slam a ~200mm post so it can be as low as possible on descents. while still at pedal stroke on climbs.
@@andresdavila4500with seat tube angles getting so steep, you need longer dropper posts. A 200mm post on a bike with a 78 degree SA feels like a 150 on a bike with a 75 degree SA
Even when they were saying 125 was fine i was questioning them, but that’s bc i love slamming my saddle as close to the seat tube as possible. Makes my bike feel like a big dirt jumper I’m 5’7” and have crammed 210s in my bikes
@@joehoeper3941 Insufferable is spot on. Somebody at Pinkbike needs to give the guy a boom or a camera to hold on to. Ain't nobody trying to hear this pompous bs.
I don‘t get the negative comments… imho, this is a good, comprehensive review in an interesting format. Well done!
When is the Hawk Tuah Flat video coming out???
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Quiver Killer?
The only quiver killer I know of as a mtb enthusiast is finances.
I have never wanted a "quiver killer." I'm all about that N+1 life, dawg.
People who spend money wisely like quiver killers lil feller
It’s a shame these reviews never look into aftermarket support such as availability of replacement bearings and price. Some brands are terrible at distributing parts and expensive.
A Specialized pedal striking the ground? I am shocked I say, SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked... It is interesting the Stumpy can be set up MX and I believe this Troy can be made 29er. Which I feel even with flip chipping stuff would accentuate that BB height narrative. Sounds like this bike in 29er would be great? And stumpy in MX might be iffy?
My trail bike has a 32 cm BB height and 50 mm of BB drop I don't have much pedal strike. Your brain adjusts to it...
@@LaurentiusTriarius full suspension? id rather just buy a safer bike than mentally adjust to it. thats asking for a broken toe even without crashing. I wouldn't want to descend a tech trail on a sub 330mm bb FS bike. just gonna vote with my wallet because its not worth the broken toe...
Stumpy in Mx is pretty fun - just needs a new linkage to lift the bb
@@206board ya I demo'd it. good fun. but it was on flow trails so I can't quite speak to its BB design. though I know Specialized was at the forefront of the 'let the pedals hit the floor' remix design ideology. mid to long travel probly shouldnt be close to 330mm imo
$5500 for an aluminim bike is wild. Carbon ripmo deore build is $5000.
So the Troy doesn't have a split pivot rear end anymore...?
De Vinki?
Quiver killer is exactly the type of bike lots of people are looking for, not everybody has got two or three bikes in the garage
True, most have seven
Bikes are built as a series of compromises, none more so than "Quiver Killers". No bike can truly "do it all", that's the issue. It's not that I don't want one perfect bike, it's just that it doesn't exist and its disingenuous to suggest that it does.
For example, I ride XC, trail, all-mountain/enduro and park. What bike is a quiver killer for me? The Troy leans way harder to the all mountain/enduro side of the spectrum. It would be trash on undulating single track. Could you ride it on XC track? Sure, but it's going to rob you of all kinds of fun. And even in this review they say it can be overwhelmed in fast chunk... so then it's not really great in the park either. You can only accurately call a bike a "Quiver killer" if the rider only rides a narrow band of trail styles, styles that the bike is well suited to. Maybe the Troy can cover trail, all mountain/enduro and park duty, but it's only really going to be well suited to all mountain/enduro riding. Add to that that every rider has their own preferences for terrain and trail style and it begs the question, how can a bike be a one-size-fits-all solution?
everyone can aspire to the N+1 life - It's a wonderful thing.
so... devinci 141 privateer?
Hope it comes to NZ soon 🤞
shouldn‘t you always hang your bike up on your saddle with the post fully extended?🙈
Exactly, but it’s less of an issue with these lighter bikes under short durations. E-bikes, never
it's not really an issue with most dropper posts (except reverbs) but for general practice yeah it's best to keep the post extended when lifting
nice review
impossible to read the stats.
Its canyon Spectral AL for 5,5K
Can you guys please do a review on the Radon Swoop 😊?
Linear is good!
Love you guys but there is the other Mike!? Bring him back!
yeah sorry Henry.. I just feel like everything he says is filler.
The problem with devinci is they always manage to look cheap.
Who cares how it looks. It’s how it rides player.
Not wrong though
@@BoardinorBored aesthetics is a very important aspect of life, whether it comes to people or objects. I wouldnt pay 10 bucks for an ugly piece of equipment let alone over 5 k. Especially if it has a lousy suspension platform and does nothing better than its competitors.
@@DandyHippo yikes
Pinkbike lost its personality when Levy left. These reviews are so boring, I damn near fell asleep listing to this review.
It's like the video is made though PBS.
I like Henry just as much - he's different, from a different background, less flashy but just as competent, weird and funny
I like PBS...
Are these the same guys that a couple of years ago were riding 125 dropper posts? Now 180 is not long enough… lol
Surley expectations can change over time? 125 for me now aint long enough- ask my physio.
@ agreed, they can and they should, it is still funny to say a 180 dropper post is not long enough…
@@andresdavila4500 stand over heights and / or seat tube lengths have gotten shorter. 125mm would be okay if your BB is high and seat tube is long so your bike is already up your @55 but with the BB so low and saet tubes so short... a 125mm post would need to be run multiple inches out to get to pedal stroke. if a frame can take it... better to slam a ~200mm post so it can be as low as possible on descents. while still at pedal stroke on climbs.
@@andresdavila4500with seat tube angles getting so steep, you need longer dropper posts. A 200mm post on a bike with a 78 degree SA feels like a 150 on a bike with a 75 degree SA
Even when they were saying 125 was fine i was questioning them, but that’s bc i love slamming my saddle as close to the seat tube as possible. Makes my bike feel like a big dirt jumper
I’m 5’7” and have crammed 210s in my bikes
jesus christ henry is so unrelatable
I had to stop listening to the podcast cuz he hosts the episodes- insufferable
@@joehoeper3941 Insufferable is spot on. Somebody at Pinkbike needs to give the guy a boom or a camera to hold on to. Ain't nobody trying to hear this pompous bs.
Suspension is for the weak.
Please don't hang bikes by dropped posts.
Lol, it doesn't matter.
Try to stop me
Would someone please think of the children!