Quick correction, the MC-101 DOES have probability for drum tracks and that's my bad for missing it. And in general, to be clear, I don't think one device is objectively better... They're both the gold standard for budget, hands-on, surprisingly powerful gear. Hopefully this helps you decide which one fits your specific needs better.
Yep, it becomes a multitrack midi controller. I did a video about that exact thing at the beginning of this year, and the process should be pretty much the same with the Tracks.
Intresting vid.need some advice pal iv been trying to synch my korg electribe 2 into my minilogue so i can play minilogue on my electribe .ive turned input up but no sound .is pluged in midi out and sent to synch in to the electribe with midi cable (ive got the synch adapter)is something i need to press ?
I've recently been watching many of Gabe's videos about Grooveboxes. All very helpful (especially the "Terms" one). This was the one where I finally felt like I decided on which one would work best for me and my budget (the Novation Tracks). I am a beginner, no music training, never learned an instrument. But I've always enjoyed electronic music (especially Todd Terje) and remixes, and want to try getting my music ideas out of my head and onto recordings. His description of the easier live jamming and intuitive interface with Tracks is what sold me! Thanks for your informative and easy to understand videos Gabe! 🙂
That's awesome! Hopefully you enjoy it, glad the videos have been helpful. I've got multiple tutorials as well if you get stuck. Getting into music production can be a huge learning curve but it's super fulfilling, regardless of the gear route you go for.
I bought an Mc101 and, even though I was worried about the menu diving, I got used to the shortcuts and button combos really quickly. On the other hand, Circuit's workflow is a thing of beauty. That's why I really wanted chromatic sample flipping, direct sampling and more synth tracks. I really don't care about having side chain inside the box since I prefer to mix and master outside the device. Of course that depends on the way you use the machine, from a performance stand point having side chain compression it's very handy. Thanks for the video!
Yeah the MC-101 workflow is pretty fluid at this point, which is great to see. And having the ability to chromatically flip and even chop samples on the 101 is really useful and unique for something of this price and feature set.
I was actually looking for exactly this kind of comparison. This is super informative, so happy I found this channel. definitely deserves more subs. keep it up, you're doing everything right.
I ordered my Circuit Tracks as a complete newb and was kinda unsure wether the 101 would have been better for the money. Nonetheless I went on a 6 hour binge with my Circuit today. Its just such a fun and intuitive device.
Thanks for another great video Gabe! Just got me a Circuit Tracks and I think it's perfect for finding inspiration when you've been stuck inside the box for too long!
On the 101 you can use the 4 macro's to change different parameters for each track. I sometimes tweak decay on the bass and filter on the arp for instance. When it's on 'filter' it can still change any parameter you want. So that could be a selling point for the 101, albeit something very specific.
What is nice about the circuit is the FREE offline editor. Roland's subscription model for an offline editor alone disqualified the 101 for me. I had the 707, and IMO the Roland Zencore sound is unapologetically digital, more so than other digital synths I own. I never fully loved any demos of the circuit engine, so for me could only be a scratch pad, but one with amazing workflow. I could see using one for writing on the go, then using that midi to send to my other synths to be used for their sound. Best of both worlds if you don't mind the extra steps. Nice video as always!
This comparison is pretty spot on. I never owned a circuit, the but workflow seems really fluid and a definitely better performance device than the mc101. If you're new to music production and want a device you can lay down ideas fairly easily, i would probably go with the circuit tracks, if you want to do more sound design in a box and dont mind menu diving and really learning as many aspects of a device as possible, i would say shoot for the mc-101
Thank you very much for this very informative video. At the MC-101 you can also change the settings for the knobs, so that all 4 control one track at the same time. So you can be able to change the cutoff and resonance at the same time for example. For the circuit tracks I am still unsure how I think about it. I feel like they optimised some things but not as much as they could have. We still don't know all the details about the new Rhythm but I think one machine with the capabilities of both would have been perfect.
damn I have the 101 and that audio input from the tracks would be an awesome feature to have! I hope the Rythm improves on that and add the ability to live record samples from that input as well.. that would be the perfect setup for me !
Gabe, you really have the talent to explain things very very clear without being boring at all. I really appreciate the fact, that you always clarify if it is an objective difference or your personal opinion. I agree, that the most powerful addition to the circuit is the possibility to sequence two external devices AND mix them with the internal effects. I own an MC-101 and love it. But, when i want to use it for example with my modal craftsynth 2, I need a mixer, a lot of cables and an additional sequencer (with a different workflow) because the craftsynth doesn't have one built in.
It's really interesting to see each device's strengths and weaknesses knowing these differences can be nice since it makes it easier for someone to chose between them based on what that person is specifically looking for.
Really difficult to decide between those two. People tend to fall a bit for more features and here i think the 101 would win. You can have 16 samples tracks + 3 powerful synth tracks, usb multitrack audio and clip based workflow. However in my experience the Circuit is just so much more pleasant to use. Very quick, immediate and logical. Just think about the experience when deciding! Btw. i chose a used OP-Z in this price range, hahaa. The sequencer is just insane + a lot of other stuff and a lot of fun.
@@KunchangLeeMusic Didn't know Bon Iver, but had a listen. If i had to do such music directly on a groovebox, i would probably go with an MPC One honestly. Reason is that none of those small devices is great at working with samples. In EU the Circuit Tracks is 400 Eur, MC101 is 430, OP-Z 500 (400 used). MPC One is 600 Eur and maybe 520 used. So the prices are pretty close. If i was forced to choose between the 3 portable boxes for that type of music, it would be 101.
@@Maochan81 Yesterday I bought used MC-101 for 300Eur. I probably would go with Circuit Track if not this real bargain offer I found. It had been send today to me so can't wait to get it
@@sinewaymusic A month :) It's tiny music powerhouse, with great, great sound patches, with well samples capabilities, very,very portable which is really big pros. But it suffers (my opinion) from lack of proper song mode and 60sec sample limitation. In fact if it had more memory for sample I could workout song mode quite easy with looper track. MC-101 is suite the best for live performance at least with current 1.60 fw. I'm using 101 not mostly for sketch ideas on my couch and later evolve it in Ableton. I made one full song but it took a week and at the end I fixed few issues in DAW. So I might as well did it in Ableton entirely. Besides all that 101 is fun...a lot of fun!!
I enjoy your videos and your production is top notch, but I think you missed or incorrectly stated a bunch of stuff about the MC-101. I hate to be the 'well actually" guy...BUT 1. note probability - Not only do you have note probability on drum kits, but you can set the clip play modes for all tracks including inverse and random 2. distortion - There are tons of distortion, saturation, and overdrive FX that you can put on each track. it’s Roland/Boss after all. They make guitar pedals. There's like 90 different FX to choose from on each track. 3. side chain - You can 'fake side chain' using the motion designer to apply waveform modulation to volume or filter 4. external input - You can actually route audio over USB into 101 enabling you to record external audio into a looper track or assign the scatter to USB input. If you have an additional audio interface with analog inputs, if you set the 101 as the audio output and the other interface as the audio input in a DAW, you route LIVE EXTERNAL INPUT through the 101. Run a microphone or external synth through the scatter for instance, 5. control knob modes - There’s an option to change the 101’s control knobs to macros for controlling 4 parameters of a single track instead of 1 parameter for all 4 tracks. set ‘knob trk’ to ‘single’ in the system settings. 6. batteries - The 101 will run off a USB power bank. It's actually the best way. I can get 20 hours of use from a small $17 power bank. Never use alkaline batteries. 7. master filter - There a button to toggle the master FX off/on right nest to master FX knobs. That’s what you use to engage the filter instead of a notch at 12 o’clock. It’s actually better as you can set the filter at a certain level and instantly jump to it in addition to sweeping the filter. 8. synth engines - One thing I think you missed in comparing the synth engines is that the Zen-Core has a wider range and a lot more acoustic and bread n’ butter sounds. You can do way more styles of music with Zen-Core vs Novation’s virtual analog synth engine.
Thanks for the comment. Tbh I was a bit worried that I displayed some unintended Circuit bias, which wasn't my goal at all since I adore the 101 and think it's an incredibly powerful, impressive device. 1. Yeah not sure how I missed that one. I even dug through the manual for my "tips and tricks" video and still managed to not come across it. That's my bad. 2. Yeah totally, I just wish I could control it within the unit itself for both samples and patches more. 3. Totally, although I imagine that only works for straightahead drum patterns (4 on the floor or similar). 4. I definitely should mess with that more. 6. Yeah, I didn't mention it but I figured that was known. I still like the batteries for ultimate portability though. 7. True, but I like the notch because it's more forgiving... Since it's continuous, you don't have to 100% nail the timing on the downbeat. 8. I mentioned all of that briefly, but probably could have gone more in depth. I also really like that the Zencore engine is meant to be the basis for a lot of Roland stuff, so you can get pretty accurate recreations of classic Roland synths in a budget hardware device. Plus the way it works with samples is something that the current Circuits can't touch.
All I will say is....... "Polyend Tracker"!!!!!! All argument's over! 💯👌🏾 life changing instrument/synth/performance tool/groove box/sound shaping device/interface/feel/speed/learning curve/inspiration and pretty much everything.
I definitely want to give one a go. But not everyone is going to be down to learn the Tracker workflow, and not everyone is able or willing to pay the extra for it. There's still absolutely a place for more pads based grooveboxes.
@@GabeMillerMusic Honestly, I thought the exact same until I tried the Polyend, then I was hooked! it really is such a great bit of kit, and for what is achievable on the tracker it really destroy's the groovebox price range battle, it's got £1000 quality, functionality, great build and feels amazing. (sorry, I'm just a bit of a fanboy ATM :)) it really has changed my entire workflow and outlook on music production.
Gabe, please make a song of these two fighting each other on each solo!! Each one putting its best strengths on each solo duel... And in the end the Circuit assimilates the MC-101 inside a midi track with side chain and effects for a dope performance beat!!
even if i sold the OG circuit (the 707 as well, hated the roland work"flow") and i have the deluge, i bought the tracks now again, just for fun and jamming.
I just can’t decide. Leaning towards circuit tracks but wouldn’t have any external gear to connect to it. Don’t mind spending a bit more time learning the mc101 if it suits my needs better. Anyone with experience got any advice?
I'll go for the tracks. I want to MIDI sync it with my RC 505. I play percussion and wind instruments and I want a setup that works good for performances.
Just bought the circuit tracks! One thing worth mentioning is that circuit tracks is the second generation and has improved over time and after much user feedback. Cant wait to get my hands dirty!
One last thing Gabe, if the mutate feature randomizes a patterns sequence, you can also do that on a clip by clip basis on tone tracks & drum tracks by shift & pressing a clip, then changing the mode from FWD to RND
As always, straight to the point, very mature and non biased comments. Not interested in any of these devices but enjoyed this incredible well thought video.
From my point of view, there is one key difference between those 2, and actually very important one. Zenoligy pro vs novation circuit component. Unlike the mc707, mc101 is limited on how to edit the synth patch, not even an LFO :-/ The only way to do your own patches is to buy zenoligy for 250€. On the other hand, novation circuit need also an external tool to edit the patches called novation circuit component that is for free (linux compatible!!) and with it you can build patches, backup your device... So in one way would make sense to even compare those 2 tools to edit your patches on your hardware.
Hey Gabe, relative newbie to electronic music production. Been having great fun with Logic, but have been watching your content for months. Love your style and your approach. Was looking for a good place to start my groovebox journey. Opted for the Circuit Tracks and I’m absolutely loving it. Will you have dedicated Tracks packs for sale soon? If so, I’ll be first in line to buy them. Thanks again and keep it up Gabe. 👏👏👏👏🏴
@@GabeMillerMusic Will love to see you playing it! I am spoiled by iOS Gadget, Cubasis and got Zenbeats from day one. Just upcoming integration with Verselab is a killer harness, both on a go with iOS and desktop on a studio table driving synths. (skipped on 101/707 due to lack of this integration, but i knew Roland is up to something with Zenbeats. Maybe even support other grooveboxes one day). But man, I like the Circuit pads and sequencer flow! (as in Launchpads and Push). One drum and two synth is too little to jam on a go. If at least Circuit could capture audio of from driving external synths to the same tracks it would be a real deal. Will keep waiting for Push Standalone, really hoped Circuit be closer to it. For pocket groovebox OP-Z is a s great. Love to learn more on Verselab. I think everyone should get zen-core in some shape or form eventually. All great stuff!
@@GabeMillerMusic because it's been cool to hate Roland for the past 10 years but nobody will admit that's why. everyone nitpicks the crap out of everything they make while giving Behringer endless praise. imho it's the price tags and nothing else.
Don’t forget the MC-101 can also sequence external hardware. In effect, it could actually sequence four external synths by using all four tracks as tone tracks controlling external MIDI. Circuit Tracks with 2 external synths would leave drums + 2 internal synths, MC-101 with 2 external synths would leave drums + 1 internal synths. I suppose the Circuit Tracks could probably run duplicate sequences on internal and external synths in the same way as the original Circuit? As can the MC-101. The MC also has probability, but only on drum tracks I think? The way the external synths can be routed back into the Circuit Tracks is really cool (the more expensive MC-707 can do that, I think, but not the MC-101). The MC-101 can also sample directly via USB which is really handy to capture sound from a phone or iPad etc, but it only is currently usable on the looper tracks. I’m hoping firmware 1.7 might change that! I’ve been looking forward to seeing the performance of the Circuit Tracks for a while and it seems really good. I think combining a Circuit Tracks with the Circuit Rhythm (when it’s released) could be a killer combo! Great video as always!
I love my MC-101. Either standalone or as a sound module slaved to the MPC One, it's earned a permanent place in my setup. The biggest negative for me is that the pads are terrible. I'm surprised nobody seems to mention it. If you hook up a midi controller with nice pads (like the Launchkey mini mk3) it improves things massively.
When I found out Roland recently rolled out proper Zen-core userbank support to the MC-101 it was what has pushed me to be willing to spend the extra money on the MC-101 after my MS-20 Mini sells. This opens a huge world of possibilities for the MC-101 if you are willing to do your sound design on a computer as that means the full Zen-core synth engine is now properly usable on the MC-101 which wasn't the case before. I really think Roland has been slow to roll out features to the MC-101 as they where afraid of it possibly cannibalizing some MC-707 sales. Doing sound design on my computer doesn't bother me but I still wish Roland would allow more access to the parameters on the MC-101 itself even if it would inevitably end up super menu dive heavy. The other major downside with the MC-101 is if you do want to make your own sounds/presets on a computer to my knowledge that requires either paying for a Roland Cloud subscription or buying a lifetime license to Zenology Pro which either way you go is an extra expense against the MC-101. For me though having what is becoming more and more access to the proper Zen-core experience in such a relatively affordable package just makes the MC-101 too good to ignore for me even with it's limitations, especially when I consider most of it's Zen-core based compatriots cost so freaking much when many are 1K or more here in the states. I would still say parts of the MC-101 have obvious places where Roalnd can expand it's feature set and I half expect them to as it seems they intentionally held back a little to see what the competing devices would offer.
Just bought my circuit two months ago. Will have to wait a few months, but definitely getting it. Not selling the og, though. Probably combine them for 14 tracks!
Bougth my first groovebox for something like a 3 weeks ago. Actually wanted to purchase Notaion Circuit cuz while it seems less capable than MC-101, it's much more simpler to dive in (and it aslo a little bit cheaper). However there was no possibility to get Circuit in my region, so MC-101 was the only option I had. And I really like it - such a great device to start. But now, when Tracks is out, I'm already wainting 'till it arrives to us and will take it too.
Gabe on og circuit if you pick blank pattern and make chords on steps then turn volume down on synth track...you can play chords live and they sound...so kinda like chord mode😉 either turn volume down or hold bottom left step on it it holds that Patten so think you pick blank pattern but hold the Patten with left bottom step that holds you on that Patten view so you can play chords live?
Thanks to you and Loopop, I've ordered both of these and I already have a VerseLab MV-1! LOL. I just love these kinds of devices and I have different needs at different times. Thank you for your in-depth videos and all the great tips! You and Loopop, among some others too, are real assets to our community because of your willingness to share your knowledge.
Hmmm. Great review Gabe. We should figure out your Las Vegas Residency EDM Moniker. Like G- Money? Naw-General Mechanics? Anyway-thank you for posting, Man!
Before i finish the video, i just hope both novation and roland do not stop updating the firmwares for these devices anytime soon (more worried about roland since mc101 has been out longer)
That's definitely an improvement on the original Circuit, thanks for mentioning that. It's still not nearly as clean as it is on the MC-101 though, which can map a sample to a keyboard and treat it like a synth track.
Gabe Miller Music would ChordBot (Chord Module VIA Midi) give you a better vantage to review a pro/con between MC-101 and Circuit Tracks? Love your final words on MC-101 - Spotify-Advanced; VS. Circuit - Beginner Dawless Summation
You recall projects, patterns, scenes, sound presets etc. by clicking on the pads. The pads are just a great context sensitive control surface. Ingenious.
@@steventaylor3789 But doesn't that mean you have to remember where the sounds are like you have to remember what the control knobs do to each sound? The only instrument I own that dosent have a screen has no presets and comes with cheat sheets.
this is what stopped me from getting the first circuit and why i am confused about how everyone loves them but complains about the small screens on rolands...
Congrats first, as always great hands-on insights!! I have one question on my mind: The OG Circuit sends out automation as midi CCs over usb midi, but not over midi out. Did you have a chance to try if the new models sends MIDI CCs over the midi port as well? Cheers & best wishes!
One question, I have an akai mini mpk3 an I want to connect with some device (without using a computer) that brings power and sounds, and at the same time connect to this device a boss rc500 looper that I use live woth my guitar ad vocals. Some of these two devices can solve this?
True, but it is a bit of a workaround, whereas the MC-101 has that built right in. My point with that section is that the MC-101 is more optimized for samples, although the Circuit can do quite a bit.
now that all the shops are closed, im super grateful that you do these comparisons! thanks! do you know if the roland supports live recording midi data from a midi keyboard?
Dude I love your work! However, I would still love to see you do something with the Novation circuit and the zoom ar48... If you can't do both, at least do something on the zoom, ar48 please!!!
Cool can you do a novation mk3 with mv-1 verselab. Maybe a great mix of equipment. Because you can get so much classic roland sounds in the verselab with cloud downloads and controle with 8/16 patches mk3 as well.
Great video Gabe, I have a question: when using external synths on the circuit is there any way to program a change of the preset of the external synth sio when you switch project the external synth sound changes?
I wish the MC-101 had the randomized type of sound option for drum tracks* like the tone track has. Them adding that in general has made the mc101 a keeper for me
I have a video coming on randomized sounds, it's one of the coolest features. They do have tone tracks for drum sounds, but that's fairly hit or miss (and not quite what you're saying).
@@GabeMillerMusic yea its definitely hit or miss on the sounds it creates, but the randomized tone sounds tend to be good starting points for a bit of sound design on the box (if you stick to poly,pad, or analog)
Before I start, I loved the OG Circuit. This comparison seems to be swayed towards the Novation Tracks, and I think that's because it's new. I have 2 x MC-101 units and I absolutely know that these are much better and capable than the Tracks is. Yes there's menu-diving, but once you know where stuff is it's really not a problem. The Tracks has 2 x 6-note synths, yet the MC-101 can have 4 synths with many, many notes AND have a different sound on each clip, so the Tracks is very limited in comparison. The Novation box needs to be linked to a computer to properly edit/create sounds and to transfer samples = the MC-101 you just dump the WAV files on the SD card. Handy MC-101 Shortcuts: Track and > = randomises the current track whilst held (so it does have a 'mutate' equivalent) Track and < = reverses the current track whilst held Also, the MC-101 DOES have probability = shows as 'MTE' when step editing. These 2 together would be a great combo, but if anyone thinks the Tracks is better than the MC-101 is nonsense to me = more immediate maybe, but not better in terms of sound and functions
I was a little worried when I put this out that it showed a Circuit bias, as that's not my intent at all. I think the Circuit wins on workflow and live jamming (especially with multiple devices), but there's a huge amount of producers who will get much more out of the MC-101's features (how it effortlessly and powerfully deals with samples, its synth engine, audio over USB, chord and arp and random patch engines, the list goes on). I think "better" is a strong word, but the 101 will definitely be better for someone trying to make full, polished songs. I still think the Tracks is better for complete beginners and for advanced live jamming. It's nuanced and situationally dependent, and that's why I try to steer clear of just calling one device better overall.
@@GabeMillerMusic I do understand what mean, and I'm glad you made that distinction whilst summing-up. I did edit my comment so it didn't sound like I was saying you thought the Track was better (knowing how much you love the Circuit!) but after getting the MC-101 I can see how much better it is than the Circuit & Tracks (which isn't as much of an upgrade as I'd hoped), however if you pair these things together you get the best of both worlds, which maybe should've been your recommendation right at the end
I appreciate it. I didn't recommend both simply because I'm imagining that a lot of people looking to buy a budget groovebox can't or aren't willing to spend the money to get both, which is why I took the approach of showing features and capabilities so people can decide which fits their needs better. Both devices together would definitely be a powerful combination though, I'm hoping to give that a go in the nearish future.
Well, you can without problem create full songs on Tracks easily, that sound good. If you're interested, check out my newest video- the song is created on Tracks and OG Circuit
Adeptus Psychonautica, no sir. Please don't sell it short. There are too many "modular synth" cats out there who only play 'drone ambient" or some Plinkity-Plunk-Bleep-Bleep-Bloops. Seriously, I don't own either one, but I have the original 808, 606, 626, 707,, 909, and now the 8s. I also have the Circuit and the Circuit Monostation. Definitely check out the Circuit Patch Store...this will help you become inspired, and I assure you that you will be creating whatever sort of music you want on that thing. Throw your sh*t up once you've rocked it some. All the best with it!
Wrong, because a noob wants a big patch library. The Circuit needs you to set up all the patches and samples you want to use. You need weeks to program all those synth patches with the external editor.
Oh wow didn't know the 101 is so expensive in the States. In Europe it's the same price as the new Tracks. I was kinda hoping for 101 functionality with a circuit workflow. That would be so rad. Still kinda want the Tracks though, it does seem nice and I bet it'll get a bunch of new features with updates. I'd definitely wait for it to go down in price, but I can see how it's exactly what some people were waiting for.
Did you work out a way yet of exporting patches from circuit to tracks better than exporting each one of them individually, I only did 4 packs this morning but it was starting to make my hand hurt, then I released I did 512 clicks to export them, at least it was only drag and drop to do the new pack. And I'm surprised there is no samples.syx import, it just seems to be audio unless I'm missing something.
Thanks for the video! I saw the original Circuit at Instafest several years ago and bought it. I love steptime recording and thought it would get me back into it. The entire reason for selling it was the lack of a screen. I never knew exactly what the pads were doing. I spent the entire time I had it looking at the poorly written manual and the cheat sheet, trying to accomplish anything, The fact that you have no feedback to tell where you are left me never using it. I, also, have a JDxi, that’s almost as frustrating. The fact that all sounds are tied to the pattern, to some on who’s first synth was a Juno 60, is stupid. I saw the MC101 at NAMM and it seems to be a major improvement over the JDxi. Just the fact that I can name a bass sound and use it on 3 different songs, is so much better, than coping a pattern and then spinning all of the way through the sounds to not find it...It’s tied to the pattern. That too is a complaint of mine about the Circuit, with no screen I can’t jut name a sound and use it wherever I want to (the Editor Lib. for the Circuit was far from easy to use). The one thing I really loved about all of these named units sound great! But, I have to respectfully disagree that the Circuit is easier for anyone to ever use. I suppose you might be able to learn all of the button pushes by roat, but I certainly didn’t. I own both the PreSonus Atom and Atom SQ and the addition of the screen, IMHO, makes the SQ a hundred times easier to use, FWIW. Thanks again for the video.
thanks, I'm from a world before cryptic coloured squares (ex MC-303 owner), so interesting to hear it's not easy for everyone to grasp. I think the MC-101 is closer to what I'm used to.
Hey Gabe! Thanks so much for shairing the knowledge! I'm owning the mc 101 and Circuit OG focusing on live performances. I love the combination of the dirtyness of the og and clean sound of the mc 101. But as you said live performance with the roland is not as smooth as with the circuit (especially tracks). I wonder if you can control two tracks of the mc 101 via Midi tracks and use even side chain or put parameters of the roland to the microknobs of the circuit. Do you think that would work?
What I would really like to see is a behringer groovebox with two analog voices (model d and deep mind?) A wave table synth, an Mc101 style drum track and some nice TC electronics effects. If you add a streamlined workflow you have a winner.
Hello Thank you for your Video. I am a blind musician and bought a novation circuit. While I am happy, I don't like the sounds so much. Do you think that it is possible to operate the roland mc101 as a blind when memorizing some short-cuts? Is the menu consequent, so that you can try to remember when I press menu and scroll maybe three times I am at this option? I apreciate your answer. Thank you.
I think it would be possible, but definitely an uphill battle. The MC-101 relies on its screen a lot, so while it probably wouldn't be too hard to choose sounds and record stuff, doing any in depth tweaking without any visual feedback would be incredibly difficult, as everything relies on the value knob. I'd say maybe stick with the Circuit and try to find a sound pack you like better.
You can use the Circuit to control other gear. If you live near a good music they might be able to put together a something you could use wit the Circuit.
I wouldn’t leave the Circuit Tracks plugged in all the time. I really doubt that they have the advanced battery conditioning that Apple does (for instance). You will shorten the battery life if it is charging all the time. Just plug it in during use or before going mobile. If they do have advanced battery conditioning, that would be good to know.
That's really a shame. Devices like this stay useful for much longer than the latest cellphone etc, so a battery that's not easily replaceable is a bit of a non-starter for a lot of people (myself included). Great review!!
I wondered about the SD card in the new circuit, I mean packs aren't that big to even need an sd card if you can only put 32 of them on there unless the swapping card between the rhythm. Who knows until summer, but it's weird you cant just out them on the sd card.
Yeah it's purely there for expanding the storage. You can load multiple packs in via components, and they live on the SD card. I'm hoping that's streamlined on the Rhythm, much like it already is on the MC-101 (drag and drop wavs).
@@GabeMillerMusic yeah but you could probably fit a 256gb card in there I just don't see them filling it, I'm unsure what size to put in mine, I've tried a 16, 32 and 128gb at the moment and they all work. Anyway cool video mate off to have a play on my tracks.
Hi Gabe. Don't recall anyone mentioning this between you and a couple other TH-camrs, but can the synth tracks also be used as external midi tracks... Being able to sequence 4 ext midi tracks in total? Or is it just the 2 ext midi tracks? Thank you
You can sequence 4 external synths, but there are only two outputs, so the routing for that might get a bit complex, and you'll need a synth with midi through.
Now, when you have also Digitakt .. imagine situation you want to add to live set second synth/groovebox to Digitakt. Like for more synth tracks. Which one will be you choice, if you had to choose one ? MC101 or Cicruit Tracks ? I'm currently in phase i need sadd something to my DT+DN kombo (i'm missing at least 2 more polyphonic synth tracks) and for the hell i can't decide which one to choose .. Sub question. I tested it and when i switch pattern on DT/DN, it switches scene on Circuit OG (i guess it will be same in Circuit Tracks). But can you please verify if it does same thing with MC101 ?
Good job, kid. The thing I respect about this channel, you don't seem to be in anyone's poclket. Moreso, it's obvious you actually USE the products you speak on (as opposed with being sent gear to borrow along with a script to read aloud). Please keep it that way, I was the first to be "sponsored" via YT content (on an entirely different account within a different domain..but it's all the same. It is impossible to "keep it real" and have sponsorships these days, and honestly it's because so many 'Starboys' out there wanna be....all in the video, all on the record, dancin....etc. :-)
I'm not cool with people putting down any of my contemporaries to make me look better, but I appreciate the sentiment. I value my integrity and try to make it VERY clear when something is or isn't sponsored, and always keep the focus on the music making process. I've been fortunate to work with brands more often lately, and they've been cool about giving me quite a bit of creative control.
Instead of a VS and having them fight, I want to see them have a hug and collab on some music :D MC101 and Circuit Tracks collaborating to make music would be a dope jam ;)
The tracks holds a special place on the groovebox realm. The inmediacy of it cannot be found anywhere ese. It works beautfully as the brain of far more complex gear, since the sequencing and midi implementation is the best out there, just for the simplicity of it. Where it lacks a bit is in the Synth engine, but has great effects, a master compressor, and SIDE CHAIN... As i said, the synth engine may lack (although it can do pretty decent bass and pads), but if your main use is going to be MIDI sequencing, then this thing is going to be hard to beat (even compared to elektron gear), The two midi tracks work like butter. Don't think twice about it, for the price, its unbeatable.
I have the 101 and a microfreak. I want to include the novation tracks on the setup. Does you guys see any advantage on that combo? Or its redundancy? Maybe wait for the circuit rhythm?
If you're doing multitrack recording, don't mind having the MicroFreak double a built in synth track, and have a separate device to capture the MicroFreak's output, I'd say nah, what you've got should be plenty powerful. But if you want a setup that's more integrated for live jamming, the Tracks is probably worth a look. You could definitely use it with both the Freak and the 101 together. Probably overkill, but it would be cool, I'm planning to give that a go myself in a bit.
@@GabeMillerMusic thanks a lot Gabe. It makes sense, I will keep with this two beats for now and when I am more proficient with them maybe add another machine to the setup. Keep on rocking your channel is growing and that's beautiful.
Quick correction, the MC-101 DOES have probability for drum tracks and that's my bad for missing it.
And in general, to be clear, I don't think one device is objectively better... They're both the gold standard for budget, hands-on, surprisingly powerful gear. Hopefully this helps you decide which one fits your specific needs better.
Yep, it becomes a multitrack midi controller. I did a video about that exact thing at the beginning of this year, and the process should be pretty much the same with the Tracks.
Intresting vid.need some advice pal iv been trying to synch my korg electribe 2 into my minilogue so i can play minilogue on my electribe .ive turned input up but no sound .is pluged in midi out and sent to synch in to the electribe with midi cable (ive got the synch adapter)is something i need to press ?
You are Richard Huckle
Great comparison. Thanks Gabe. Would you ever review/look at the 101’s big brother, the 707?
Really? How so? I mean, in the video you seem to say that the Circuit kicks the MC101's ass. Isn't workflow the main feature of a groovebox?
I've recently been watching many of Gabe's videos about Grooveboxes. All very helpful (especially the "Terms" one). This was the one where I finally felt like I decided on which one would work best for me and my budget (the Novation Tracks).
I am a beginner, no music training, never learned an instrument. But I've always enjoyed electronic music (especially Todd Terje) and remixes, and want to try getting my music ideas out of my head and onto recordings. His description of the easier live jamming and intuitive interface with Tracks is what sold me! Thanks for your informative and easy to understand videos Gabe! 🙂
That's awesome! Hopefully you enjoy it, glad the videos have been helpful. I've got multiple tutorials as well if you get stuck. Getting into music production can be a huge learning curve but it's super fulfilling, regardless of the gear route you go for.
I bought an Mc101 and, even though I was worried about the menu diving, I got used to the shortcuts and button combos really quickly. On the other hand, Circuit's workflow is a thing of beauty. That's why I really wanted chromatic sample flipping, direct sampling and more synth tracks. I really don't care about having side chain inside the box since I prefer to mix and master outside the device. Of course that depends on the way you use the machine, from a performance stand point having side chain compression it's very handy. Thanks for the video!
Yeah the MC-101 workflow is pretty fluid at this point, which is great to see. And having the ability to chromatically flip and even chop samples on the 101 is really useful and unique for something of this price and feature set.
I was actually looking for exactly this kind of comparison. This is super informative, so happy I found this channel. definitely deserves more subs. keep it up, you're doing everything right.
YES BUT ..YOU COULD SAY WHATS YOUR CHOICE BETWEEN THESE
I ordered my Circuit Tracks as a complete newb and was kinda unsure wether the 101 would have been better for the money. Nonetheless I went on a 6 hour binge with my Circuit today. Its just such a fun and intuitive device.
Thanks , just what I was looking for. I’ve got a Volca and DAW’s but want a groove box . So I don’t have to use a computer.
@@jambutty2218 any updates so far? how you like it
Thanks for another great video Gabe! Just got me a Circuit Tracks and I think it's perfect for finding inspiration when you've been stuck inside the box for too long!
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
Beautiful.
Wow! wow wow Wow
Wow
I understand this reference
I dont
These kind of references are TIGHT
On the 101 you can use the 4 macro's to change different parameters for each track. I sometimes tweak decay on the bass and filter on the arp for instance. When it's on 'filter' it can still change any parameter you want. So that could be a selling point for the 101, albeit something very specific.
Love this! It's honestly impressive how quickly you got something this deep and well done in such a short time!
What is nice about the circuit is the FREE offline editor. Roland's subscription model for an offline editor alone disqualified the 101 for me. I had the 707, and IMO the Roland Zencore sound is unapologetically digital, more so than other digital synths I own. I never fully loved any demos of the circuit engine, so for me could only be a scratch pad, but one with amazing workflow. I could see using one for writing on the go, then using that midi to send to my other synths to be used for their sound. Best of both worlds if you don't mind the extra steps. Nice video as always!
I appreciate your honesty about the design and user experience with all these devices. Love your videos
Me watching this already owning an mc-101 knowing damn well Im buying a tracks eventually too.
This comparison is pretty spot on. I never owned a circuit, the but workflow seems really fluid and a definitely better performance device than the mc101. If you're new to music production and want a device you can lay down ideas fairly easily, i would probably go with the circuit tracks, if you want to do more sound design in a box and dont mind menu diving and really learning as many aspects of a device as possible, i would say shoot for the mc-101
Thank you very much for this very informative video. At the MC-101 you can also change the settings for the knobs, so that all 4 control one track at the same time. So you can be able to change the cutoff and resonance at the same time for example. For the circuit tracks I am still unsure how I think about it. I feel like they optimised some things but not as much as they could have. We still don't know all the details about the new Rhythm but I think one machine with the capabilities of both would have been perfect.
damn I have the 101 and that audio input from the tracks would be an awesome feature to have! I hope the Rythm improves on that and add the ability to live record samples from that input as well.. that would be the perfect setup for me !
Gabe, you really have the talent to explain things very very clear without being boring at all. I really appreciate the fact, that you always clarify if it is an objective difference or your personal opinion. I agree, that the most powerful addition to the circuit is the possibility to sequence two external devices AND mix them with the internal effects. I own an MC-101 and love it. But, when i want to use it for example with my modal craftsynth 2, I need a mixer, a lot of cables and an additional sequencer (with a different workflow) because the craftsynth doesn't have one built in.
The mc101 does have a probability option for notes & drum sounds on the sequencer through the mute(mte) parameter when you shift + press a step
Oh dang I'll give that a look
@@GabeMillerMusic actually doubled checked, mte is only available for drum tracks
Okay good to know. I hadn't run across it when I was digging through the manual to make my tips and tricks video so I'm guessing it's easy to miss
OP1+ Electribe+Model Cycles+ Both Circuits+ MC101+ (whatever else I'm missing here)=The Megazord/Voltron of set ups.
It's really interesting to see each device's strengths and weaknesses knowing these differences can be nice since it makes it easier for someone to chose between them based on what that person is specifically looking for.
That's the idea! Hopefully it helps
Really difficult to decide between those two. People tend to fall a bit for more features and here i think the 101 would win. You can have 16 samples tracks + 3 powerful synth tracks, usb multitrack audio and clip based workflow. However in my experience the Circuit is just so much more pleasant to use. Very quick, immediate and logical. Just think about the experience when deciding!
Btw. i chose a used OP-Z in this price range, hahaa. The sequencer is just insane + a lot of other stuff and a lot of fun.
If you had to pick between these two and the opz1 for like indie songwriting like Bon Iver - which would you pick ?
@@KunchangLeeMusic Didn't know Bon Iver, but had a listen. If i had to do such music directly on a groovebox, i would probably go with an MPC One honestly. Reason is that none of those small devices is great at working with samples. In EU the Circuit Tracks is 400 Eur, MC101 is 430, OP-Z 500 (400 used). MPC One is 600 Eur and maybe 520 used. So the prices are pretty close. If i was forced to choose between the 3 portable boxes for that type of music, it would be 101.
@@Maochan81 Yesterday I bought used MC-101 for 300Eur. I probably would go with Circuit Track if not this real bargain offer I found. It had been send today to me so can't wait to get it
@@dewille-pl Now that you've used it for a week, what do you think about it? And what do you like/hate the most?
@@sinewaymusic A month :) It's tiny music powerhouse, with great, great sound patches, with well samples capabilities, very,very portable which is really big pros. But it suffers (my opinion) from lack of proper song mode and 60sec sample limitation. In fact if it had more memory for sample I could workout song mode quite easy with looper track. MC-101 is suite the best for live performance at least with current 1.60 fw. I'm using 101 not mostly for sketch ideas on my couch and later evolve it in Ableton. I made one full song but it took a week and at the end I fixed few issues in DAW. So I might as well did it in Ableton entirely. Besides all that 101 is fun...a lot of fun!!
I have the mc101 and the mc707...still gonna get the Circuit Tracks too...great info video
I enjoy your videos and your production is top notch, but I think you missed or incorrectly stated a bunch of stuff about the MC-101. I hate to be the 'well actually" guy...BUT
1. note probability - Not only do you have note probability on drum kits, but you can set the clip play modes for all tracks including inverse and random
2. distortion - There are tons of distortion, saturation, and overdrive FX that you can put on each track. it’s Roland/Boss after all. They make guitar pedals. There's like 90 different FX to choose from on each track.
3. side chain - You can 'fake side chain' using the motion designer to apply waveform modulation to volume or filter
4. external input - You can actually route audio over USB into 101 enabling you to record external audio into a looper track or assign the scatter to USB input. If you have an additional audio interface with analog inputs, if you set the 101 as the audio output and the other interface as the audio input in a DAW, you route LIVE EXTERNAL INPUT through the 101. Run a microphone or external synth through the scatter for instance,
5. control knob modes - There’s an option to change the 101’s control knobs to macros for controlling 4 parameters of a single track instead of 1 parameter for all 4 tracks. set ‘knob trk’ to ‘single’ in the system settings.
6. batteries - The 101 will run off a USB power bank. It's actually the best way. I can get 20 hours of use from a small $17 power bank. Never use alkaline batteries.
7. master filter - There a button to toggle the master FX off/on right nest to master FX knobs. That’s what you use to engage the filter instead of a notch at 12 o’clock. It’s actually better as you can set the filter at a certain level and instantly jump to it in addition to sweeping the filter.
8. synth engines - One thing I think you missed in comparing the synth engines is that the Zen-Core has a wider range and a lot more acoustic and bread n’ butter sounds. You can do way more styles of music with Zen-Core vs Novation’s virtual analog synth engine.
Thanks for the comment. Tbh I was a bit worried that I displayed some unintended Circuit bias, which wasn't my goal at all since I adore the 101 and think it's an incredibly powerful, impressive device.
1. Yeah not sure how I missed that one. I even dug through the manual for my "tips and tricks" video and still managed to not come across it. That's my bad.
2. Yeah totally, I just wish I could control it within the unit itself for both samples and patches more.
3. Totally, although I imagine that only works for straightahead drum patterns (4 on the floor or similar).
4. I definitely should mess with that more.
6. Yeah, I didn't mention it but I figured that was known. I still like the batteries for ultimate portability though.
7. True, but I like the notch because it's more forgiving... Since it's continuous, you don't have to 100% nail the timing on the downbeat.
8. I mentioned all of that briefly, but probably could have gone more in depth. I also really like that the Zencore engine is meant to be the basis for a lot of Roland stuff, so you can get pretty accurate recreations of classic Roland synths in a budget hardware device. Plus the way it works with samples is something that the current Circuits can't touch.
Thanks for the upload and reviews. I’m trying to decide which one would suit me best.
All I will say is.......
"Polyend Tracker"!!!!!!
All argument's over! 💯👌🏾 life changing instrument/synth/performance tool/groove box/sound shaping device/interface/feel/speed/learning curve/inspiration and pretty much everything.
I definitely want to give one a go. But not everyone is going to be down to learn the Tracker workflow, and not everyone is able or willing to pay the extra for it. There's still absolutely a place for more pads based grooveboxes.
@@GabeMillerMusic Honestly, I thought the exact same until I tried the Polyend, then I was hooked! it really is such a great bit of kit, and for what is achievable on the tracker it really destroy's the groovebox price range battle, it's got £1000 quality, functionality, great build and feels amazing. (sorry, I'm just a bit of a fanboy ATM :)) it really has changed my entire workflow and outlook on music production.
Gabe, please make a song of these two fighting each other on each solo!! Each one putting its best strengths on each solo duel... And in the end the Circuit assimilates the MC-101 inside a midi track with side chain and effects for a dope performance beat!!
Video title: The clash off the groovebox ... With a very impressive manga Goku style thumbnail!
They could battle through some unique styles of music. Hahahaha
Maybe I’m tripping here? Just an idea. Hahaha Keep up with the amazing videos. You rock!
Making a song with the MC-101 fed into the Circuit is on my list!
@@GabeMillerMusic WOW! Can’t wait to see...
I'd be keen to see your live set with just OG circuit, tracks + microfreak, 2 channel mixer with FX.
even if i sold the OG circuit (the 707 as well, hated the roland work"flow") and i have the deluge, i bought the tracks now again, just for fun and jamming.
I sold my «Deluge» for a MC-101 and a Circuit ;-)
I just can’t decide. Leaning towards circuit tracks but wouldn’t have any external gear to connect to it. Don’t mind spending a bit more time learning the mc101 if it suits my needs better. Anyone with experience got any advice?
I'll go for the tracks. I want to MIDI sync it with my RC 505. I play percussion and wind instruments and I want a setup that works good for performances.
The dream couple. I got both and I'm happy ;-)
Just bought the circuit tracks! One thing worth mentioning is that circuit tracks is the second generation and has improved over time and after much user feedback. Cant wait to get my hands dirty!
Thanks for the video. Planning to swap my 707 out for a 101 for the sounds alone to go along with a Deluge.
One last thing Gabe, if the mutate feature randomizes a patterns sequence, you can also do that on a clip by clip basis on tone tracks & drum tracks by shift & pressing a clip, then changing the mode from FWD to RND
Yep, although if I recall correctly, it randomizes it every time the clip loops.
As always, straight to the point, very mature and non biased comments. Not interested in any of these devices but enjoyed this incredible well thought video.
From my point of view, there is one key difference between those 2, and actually very important one. Zenoligy pro vs novation circuit component. Unlike the mc707, mc101 is limited on how to edit the synth patch, not even an LFO :-/ The only way to do your own patches is to buy zenoligy for 250€. On the other hand, novation circuit need also an external tool to edit the patches called novation circuit component that is for free (linux compatible!!) and with it you can build patches, backup your device... So in one way would make sense to even compare those 2 tools to edit your patches on your hardware.
Hey Gabe, relative newbie to electronic music production. Been having great fun with Logic, but have been watching your content for months. Love your style and your approach. Was looking for a good place to start my groovebox journey. Opted for the Circuit Tracks and I’m absolutely loving it. Will you have dedicated Tracks packs for sale soon? If so, I’ll be first in line to buy them. Thanks again and keep it up Gabe. 👏👏👏👏🏴
Can’t get over Circuit has one mono sample at a time on drum tracks. In between Tracks and MC101 I will be choosing VerseLab :)
Fair. I'm hoping to try the Verselab soon, I read the spec sheet and don't understand why more people aren't super pumped for it.
@@GabeMillerMusic Will love to see you playing it! I am spoiled by iOS Gadget, Cubasis and got Zenbeats from day one. Just upcoming integration with Verselab is a killer harness, both on a go with iOS and desktop on a studio table driving synths. (skipped on 101/707 due to lack of this integration, but i knew Roland is up to something with Zenbeats. Maybe even support other grooveboxes one day).
But man, I like the Circuit pads and sequencer flow! (as in Launchpads and Push). One drum and two synth is too little to jam on a go. If at least Circuit could capture audio of from driving external synths to the same tracks it would be a real deal. Will keep waiting for Push Standalone, really hoped Circuit be closer to it. For pocket groovebox OP-Z is a s great. Love to learn more on Verselab. I think everyone should get zen-core in some shape or form eventually. All great stuff!
@@GabeMillerMusic because it's been cool to hate Roland for the past 10 years but nobody will admit that's why. everyone nitpicks the crap out of everything they make while giving Behringer endless praise. imho it's the price tags and nothing else.
Don’t forget the MC-101 can also sequence external hardware. In effect, it could actually sequence four external synths by using all four tracks as tone tracks controlling external MIDI. Circuit Tracks with 2 external synths would leave drums + 2 internal synths, MC-101 with 2 external synths would leave drums + 1 internal synths. I suppose the Circuit Tracks could probably run duplicate sequences on internal and external synths in the same way as the original Circuit? As can the MC-101. The MC also has probability, but only on drum tracks I think?
The way the external synths can be routed back into the Circuit Tracks is really cool (the more expensive MC-707 can do that, I think, but not the MC-101). The MC-101 can also sample directly via USB which is really handy to capture sound from a phone or iPad etc, but it only is currently usable on the looper tracks. I’m hoping firmware 1.7 might change that!
I’ve been looking forward to seeing the performance of the Circuit Tracks for a while and it seems really good. I think combining a Circuit Tracks with the Circuit Rhythm (when it’s released) could be a killer combo!
Great video as always!
Yes the drums can be set to hit at a percentage in sequence mode
I love my MC-101. Either standalone or as a sound module slaved to the MPC One, it's earned a permanent place in my setup.
The biggest negative for me is that the pads are terrible. I'm surprised nobody seems to mention it. If you hook up a midi controller with nice pads (like the Launchkey mini mk3) it improves things massively.
Fair. I've never had a problem with the pads, but they are kinda dinky.
When I found out Roland recently rolled out proper Zen-core userbank support to the MC-101 it was what has pushed me to be willing to spend the extra money on the MC-101 after my MS-20 Mini sells. This opens a huge world of possibilities for the MC-101 if you are willing to do your sound design on a computer as that means the full Zen-core synth engine is now properly usable on the MC-101 which wasn't the case before.
I really think Roland has been slow to roll out features to the MC-101 as they where afraid of it possibly cannibalizing some MC-707 sales. Doing sound design on my computer doesn't bother me but I still wish Roland would allow more access to the parameters on the MC-101 itself even if it would inevitably end up super menu dive heavy. The other major downside with the MC-101 is if you do want to make your own sounds/presets on a computer to my knowledge that requires either paying for a Roland Cloud subscription or buying a lifetime license to Zenology Pro which either way you go is an extra expense against the MC-101.
For me though having what is becoming more and more access to the proper Zen-core experience in such a relatively affordable package just makes the MC-101 too good to ignore for me even with it's limitations, especially when I consider most of it's Zen-core based compatriots cost so freaking much when many are 1K or more here in the states. I would still say parts of the MC-101 have obvious places where Roalnd can expand it's feature set and I half expect them to as it seems they intentionally held back a little to see what the competing devices would offer.
New Circuit is not revolution but solid evolution. I ordered one immediately and received Yesterday😀
Where did u order it?
Just bought my circuit two months ago. Will have to wait a few months, but definitely getting it. Not selling the og, though. Probably combine them for 14 tracks!
@@newsdaily8270 Thomann
@@CoenBijpost yes, I am keeping my OG Circuit se well. It will pair nicely with the new one!
Yea my tracks comes in today also
Bougth my first groovebox for something like a 3 weeks ago. Actually wanted to purchase Notaion Circuit cuz while it seems less capable than MC-101, it's much more simpler to dive in (and it aslo a little bit cheaper). However there was no possibility to get Circuit in my region, so MC-101 was the only option I had. And I really like it - such a great device to start. But now, when Tracks is out, I'm already wainting 'till it arrives to us and will take it too.
Very interesting and thorough comparison.
Nice video, what's next on the list of your things to try? Polyend Tracker?
Thanks! The Roland MV-1 is next, after that it's a toss up between the MPC One and the Tracker.
@@GabeMillerMusic Look forward to it!
Gabe on og circuit if you pick blank pattern and make chords on steps then turn volume down on synth track...you can play chords live and they sound...so kinda like chord mode😉 either turn volume down or hold bottom left step on it it holds that Patten so think you pick blank pattern but hold the Patten with left bottom step that holds you on that Patten view so you can play chords live?
Thanks to you and Loopop, I've ordered both of these and I already have a VerseLab MV-1! LOL. I just love these kinds of devices and I have different needs at different times. Thank you for your in-depth videos and all the great tips! You and Loopop, among some others too, are real assets to our community because of your willingness to share your knowledge.
Hmmm. Great review Gabe. We should figure out your Las Vegas Residency EDM Moniker. Like G- Money? Naw-General Mechanics? Anyway-thank you for posting, Man!
Hi! Cant you control MFX vith Velocity of the note or LFO? In that case it could be som kinda S-chain. Best Wishes
Before i finish the video, i just hope both novation and roland do not stop updating the firmwares for these devices anytime soon (more worried about roland since mc101 has been out longer)
@@djyucatec4999 has there been a new update recently? Im currently on the 1.60 firmware
No but song mode is coming very soon according to somebody who has constantly been correct about this kinda stuff in the Facebook 101/707 group
@@OttosTheName wow sounds veery interesting
You can change the pitch of samples on Circuit Tracks. Latest Deep Dive video from CALC on Novation TV shows how.
That's definitely an improvement on the original Circuit, thanks for mentioning that. It's still not nearly as clean as it is on the MC-101 though, which can map a sample to a keyboard and treat it like a synth track.
I was wondering whether to get a Circuit or an MC 101.... wondering then wondering..I ended up buying a Behringer TD3
Gabe Miller Music would ChordBot (Chord Module VIA Midi) give you a better vantage to review a pro/con between MC-101 and Circuit Tracks?
Love your final words on MC-101 - Spotify-Advanced; VS. Circuit - Beginner Dawless Summation
101 actually does have probability, but they gave non obvious name for this option. “Mute chance” or something similar.
Dosnt the 101 have a lot more sounds,and how also how do you recall anything on the Circuit with no screen ?
You recall projects, patterns, scenes, sound presets etc. by clicking on the pads. The pads are just a great context sensitive control surface. Ingenious.
@@steventaylor3789 But doesn't that mean you have to remember where the sounds are like you have to remember what the control knobs do to each sound? The only instrument I own that dosent have a screen has no presets and comes with cheat sheets.
this is what stopped me from getting the first circuit and why i am confused about how everyone loves them but complains about the small screens on rolands...
I hope you make more videos with the Novation Circuit Tracks, I think I will also buy it.
Yeah lots more on the way!
Love the pitch meeting reference lol
Barely an inconvenience 😆
Congrats first, as always great hands-on insights!!
I have one question on my mind: The OG Circuit sends out automation as midi CCs over usb midi, but not over midi out. Did you have a chance to try if the new models sends MIDI CCs over the midi port as well? Cheers & best wishes!
I haven't messed with it much yet, but yes, the Tracks sends MIDI CCs out over the midi port.
@@GabeMillerMusic thanks for confirmation. That was a bummer for me in OG. Good news!
One question, I have an akai mini mpk3 an I want to connect with some device (without using a computer) that brings power and sounds, and at the same time connect to this device a boss rc500 looper that I use live woth my guitar ad vocals. Some of these two devices can solve this?
Samples can be played chromatically on the circuit. Loopop demonstrates it in his review of the circuit tracks.
True, but it is a bit of a workaround, whereas the MC-101 has that built right in. My point with that section is that the MC-101 is more optimized for samples, although the Circuit can do quite a bit.
now that all the shops are closed, im super grateful that you do these comparisons! thanks! do you know if the roland supports live recording midi data from a midi keyboard?
Dude I love your work! However, I would still love to see you do something with the Novation circuit and the zoom ar48... If you can't do both, at least do something on the zoom, ar48 please!!!
Cool can you do a novation mk3 with mv-1 verselab. Maybe a great mix of equipment. Because you can get so much classic roland sounds in the verselab with cloud downloads and controle with 8/16 patches mk3 as well.
Great video Gabe, I have a question: when using external synths on the circuit is there any way to program a change of the preset of the external synth sio when you switch project the external synth sound changes?
I wish the MC-101 had the randomized type of sound option for drum tracks* like the tone track has. Them adding that in general has made the mc101 a keeper for me
I have a video coming on randomized sounds, it's one of the coolest features. They do have tone tracks for drum sounds, but that's fairly hit or miss (and not quite what you're saying).
@@GabeMillerMusic yea its definitely hit or miss on the sounds it creates, but the randomized tone sounds tend to be good starting points for a bit of sound design on the box (if you stick to poly,pad, or analog)
Before I start, I loved the OG Circuit.
This comparison seems to be swayed towards the Novation Tracks, and I think that's because it's new.
I have 2 x MC-101 units and I absolutely know that these are much better and capable than the Tracks is.
Yes there's menu-diving, but once you know where stuff is it's really not a problem.
The Tracks has 2 x 6-note synths, yet the MC-101 can have 4 synths with many, many notes AND have a different sound on each clip, so the Tracks is very limited in comparison.
The Novation box needs to be linked to a computer to properly edit/create sounds and to transfer samples
= the MC-101 you just dump the WAV files on the SD card.
Handy MC-101 Shortcuts:
Track and > = randomises the current track whilst held (so it does have a 'mutate' equivalent)
Track and < = reverses the current track whilst held
Also, the MC-101 DOES have probability
= shows as 'MTE' when step editing.
These 2 together would be a great combo, but if anyone thinks the Tracks is better than the MC-101 is nonsense to me
= more immediate maybe, but not better in terms of sound and functions
I was a little worried when I put this out that it showed a Circuit bias, as that's not my intent at all. I think the Circuit wins on workflow and live jamming (especially with multiple devices), but there's a huge amount of producers who will get much more out of the MC-101's features (how it effortlessly and powerfully deals with samples, its synth engine, audio over USB, chord and arp and random patch engines, the list goes on). I think "better" is a strong word, but the 101 will definitely be better for someone trying to make full, polished songs. I still think the Tracks is better for complete beginners and for advanced live jamming. It's nuanced and situationally dependent, and that's why I try to steer clear of just calling one device better overall.
@@GabeMillerMusic I do understand what mean, and I'm glad you made that distinction whilst summing-up.
I did edit my comment so it didn't sound like I was saying you thought the Track was better (knowing how much you love the Circuit!) but after getting the MC-101 I can see how much better it is than the Circuit & Tracks (which isn't as much of an upgrade as I'd hoped), however if you pair these things together you get the best of both worlds, which maybe should've been your recommendation right at the end
I appreciate it. I didn't recommend both simply because I'm imagining that a lot of people looking to buy a budget groovebox can't or aren't willing to spend the money to get both, which is why I took the approach of showing features and capabilities so people can decide which fits their needs better. Both devices together would definitely be a powerful combination though, I'm hoping to give that a go in the nearish future.
wow wow wow wow wow. This video was tight!
Would love to see a mc-707 review
waiting for the demo tracks ;)
Great video,
I've just ordered the circuit tracks!
Can the midi tracks be utilised in any way when using it as a stand alone device?
Thanks
This has convinced me that circuit tracks is the way to go for a noob like me who just wants to make a few bleeps and bloops
Well, you can without problem create full songs on Tracks easily, that sound good. If you're interested, check out my newest video- the song is created on Tracks and OG Circuit
Adeptus Psychonautica, no sir. Please don't sell it short. There are too many "modular synth" cats out there who only play 'drone ambient" or some Plinkity-Plunk-Bleep-Bleep-Bloops.
Seriously, I don't own either one, but I have the original 808, 606, 626, 707,, 909, and now the 8s. I also have the Circuit and the Circuit Monostation. Definitely check out the Circuit Patch Store...this will help you become inspired, and I assure you that you will be creating whatever sort of music you want on that thing. Throw your sh*t up once you've rocked it some. All the best with it!
Wrong, because a noob wants a big patch library. The Circuit needs you to set up all the patches and samples you want to use.
You need weeks to program all those synth patches with the external editor.
@@pcuimac are the internal basic sounds that bad?
And is it that hard/long/tricky to upload news sounds into the circuits?
Oh wow didn't know the 101 is so expensive in the States. In Europe it's the same price as the new Tracks. I was kinda hoping for 101 functionality with a circuit workflow. That would be so rad. Still kinda want the Tracks though, it does seem nice and I bet it'll get a bunch of new features with updates. I'd definitely wait for it to go down in price, but I can see how it's exactly what some people were waiting for.
how to sync the circuit tracks with external drum maschines like tr6ss or digitakt?
the circuit has an issues with falling out of step if you adjust the step length while playing live. I wonder if that's been addressed at all.
Ten year old Nova engine versus 35 year old Linear Algorithmic Synthesis 😂 I love em both forever!
Did you work out a way yet of exporting patches from circuit to tracks better than exporting each one of them individually, I only did 4 packs this morning but it was starting to make my hand hurt, then I released I did 512 clicks to export them, at least it was only drag and drop to do the new pack. And I'm surprised there is no samples.syx import, it just seems to be audio unless I'm missing something.
Not yet unfortunately, all I know is drag and drop at the moment.
Great comparison!
Thanks for the video! I saw the original Circuit at Instafest several years ago and bought it. I love steptime recording and thought it would get me back into it. The entire reason for selling it was the lack of a screen. I never knew exactly what the pads were doing. I spent the entire time I had it looking at the poorly written manual and the cheat sheet, trying to accomplish anything, The fact that you have no feedback to tell where you are left me never using it. I, also, have a JDxi, that’s almost as frustrating. The fact that all sounds are tied to the pattern, to some on who’s first synth was a Juno 60, is stupid. I saw the MC101 at NAMM and it seems to be a major improvement over the JDxi. Just the fact that I can name a bass sound and use it on 3 different songs, is so much better, than coping a pattern and then spinning all of the way through the sounds to not find it...It’s tied to the pattern. That too is a complaint of mine about the Circuit, with no screen I can’t jut name a sound and use it wherever I want to (the Editor Lib. for the Circuit was far from easy to use). The one thing I really loved about all of these named units sound great! But, I have to respectfully disagree that the Circuit is easier for anyone to ever use. I suppose you might be able to learn all of the button pushes by roat, but I certainly didn’t. I own both the PreSonus Atom and Atom SQ and the addition of the screen, IMHO, makes the SQ a hundred times easier to use, FWIW. Thanks again for the video.
thanks, I'm from a world before cryptic coloured squares (ex MC-303 owner), so interesting to hear it's not easy for everyone to grasp. I think the MC-101 is closer to what I'm used to.
True....i wish they added more outputs on the circuit tracks.
If you had to pick between these two and the opz1 for like indie songwriting like Bon Iver - which would you pick ?
Good breakdown - without a doubt the Circuit for performance.
Hey Gabe!
Thanks so much for shairing the knowledge! I'm owning the mc 101 and Circuit OG focusing on live performances. I love the combination of the dirtyness of the og and clean sound of the mc 101.
But as you said live performance with the roland is not as smooth as with the circuit (especially tracks).
I wonder if you can control two tracks of the mc 101 via Midi tracks and use even side chain or put parameters of the roland to the microknobs of the circuit. Do you think that would work?
Do you plan on reviewing the Roland Verselab?
Yep, as soon as I can get my hands on one
27:22 if this isnt downloadable somewhere i will be upset it goes unreasonably hard for a demo
What I would really like to see is a behringer groovebox with two analog voices (model d and deep mind?) A wave table synth, an Mc101 style drum track and some nice TC electronics effects. If you add a streamlined workflow you have a winner.
Deepmind is more than 2 voices alone. Its a 12 voice or 6 voice depending on the model.
@@thegoony Yeah, I meant two separate analog synths engines, a wavetable or fm and a sample based drum track.
Why did novation leave out a visual to see the sample names?
Hello Thank you for your Video. I am a blind musician and bought a novation circuit. While I am happy, I don't like the sounds so much. Do you think that it is possible to operate the roland mc101 as a blind when memorizing some short-cuts? Is the menu consequent, so that you can try to remember when I press menu and scroll maybe three times I am at this option? I apreciate your answer. Thank you.
I think it would be possible, but definitely an uphill battle. The MC-101 relies on its screen a lot, so while it probably wouldn't be too hard to choose sounds and record stuff, doing any in depth tweaking without any visual feedback would be incredibly difficult, as everything relies on the value knob. I'd say maybe stick with the Circuit and try to find a sound pack you like better.
You can use the Circuit to control other gear. If you live near a good music they might be able to put together a something you could use wit the Circuit.
I wouldn’t leave the Circuit Tracks plugged in all the time. I really doubt that they have the advanced battery conditioning that Apple does (for instance). You will shorten the battery life if it is charging all the time. Just plug it in during use or before going mobile.
If they do have advanced battery conditioning, that would be good to know.
That's definitely something I'll look into. I'm also looking into whether it can eventually be replaced, even though the manual says it can't.
That's really a shame.
Devices like this stay useful for much longer than the latest cellphone etc, so a battery that's not easily replaceable is a bit of a non-starter for a lot of people (myself included).
Great review!!
@@GabeMillerMusic Awesome! Please let us know what you find out.
I wondered about the SD card in the new circuit, I mean packs aren't that big to even need an sd card if you can only put 32 of them on there unless the swapping card between the rhythm. Who knows until summer, but it's weird you cant just out them on the sd card.
Yeah it's purely there for expanding the storage. You can load multiple packs in via components, and they live on the SD card. I'm hoping that's streamlined on the Rhythm, much like it already is on the MC-101 (drag and drop wavs).
@@GabeMillerMusic yeah but you could probably fit a 256gb card in there I just don't see them filling it, I'm unsure what size to put in mine, I've tried a 16, 32 and 128gb at the moment and they all work. Anyway cool video mate off to have a play on my tracks.
Hi Gabe. Don't recall anyone mentioning this between you and a couple other TH-camrs, but can the synth tracks also be used as external midi tracks... Being able to sequence 4 ext midi tracks in total? Or is it just the 2 ext midi tracks? Thank you
You can sequence 4 external synths, but there are only two outputs, so the routing for that might get a bit complex, and you'll need a synth with midi through.
@@GabeMillerMusic prefect. Thank you
I think I'm going to wait for circuit rhythm 😃👍🏽
Now, when you have also Digitakt .. imagine situation you want to add to live set second synth/groovebox to Digitakt. Like for more synth tracks. Which one will be you choice, if you had to choose one ? MC101 or Cicruit Tracks ? I'm currently in phase i need sadd something to my DT+DN kombo (i'm missing at least 2 more polyphonic synth tracks) and for the hell i can't decide which one to choose ..
Sub question. I tested it and when i switch pattern on DT/DN, it switches scene on Circuit OG (i guess it will be same in Circuit Tracks). But can you please verify if it does same thing with MC101 ?
Great video and insight.. thanks. Both are great at different things. Think the Roland is more suited for what I want to achieve..
Which is best as a stand alone music making machine?
11:34 ahhh I see what you did there :P
which is better for finger drumming improvisation?
Hard to say, they're probably roughly equivalent. The Circuit is a bit more flexible, but the 101 has more sample slots that can play at once.
Good job, kid. The thing I respect about this channel, you don't seem to be in anyone's poclket. Moreso, it's obvious you actually USE the products you speak on (as opposed with being sent gear to borrow along with a script to read aloud).
Please keep it that way, I was the first to be "sponsored" via YT content (on an entirely different account within a different domain..but it's all the same. It is impossible to "keep it real" and have sponsorships these days, and honestly it's because so many 'Starboys' out there wanna be....all in the video, all on the record, dancin....etc. :-)
I'm not cool with people putting down any of my contemporaries to make me look better, but I appreciate the sentiment. I value my integrity and try to make it VERY clear when something is or isn't sponsored, and always keep the focus on the music making process. I've been fortunate to work with brands more often lately, and they've been cool about giving me quite a bit of creative control.
Instead of a VS and having them fight, I want to see them have a hug and collab on some music :D
MC101 and Circuit Tracks collaborating to make music would be a dope jam ;)
Yeah I'm planning to do exactly that in the future!
@@GabeMillerMusic nice, looking forward to it
For the love of God, can you play a midi synth into these and sequence it?
The tracks holds a special place on the groovebox realm. The inmediacy of it cannot be found anywhere ese. It works beautfully as the brain of far more complex gear, since the sequencing and midi implementation is the best out there, just for the simplicity of it. Where it lacks a bit is in the Synth engine, but has great effects, a master compressor, and SIDE CHAIN...
As i said, the synth engine may lack (although it can do pretty decent bass and pads), but if your main use is going to be MIDI sequencing, then this thing is going to be hard to beat (even compared to elektron gear), The two midi tracks work like butter.
Don't think twice about it, for the price, its unbeatable.
I have the 101 and a microfreak. I want to include the novation tracks on the setup. Does you guys see any advantage on that combo? Or its redundancy? Maybe wait for the circuit rhythm?
If you're doing multitrack recording, don't mind having the MicroFreak double a built in synth track, and have a separate device to capture the MicroFreak's output, I'd say nah, what you've got should be plenty powerful. But if you want a setup that's more integrated for live jamming, the Tracks is probably worth a look. You could definitely use it with both the Freak and the 101 together. Probably overkill, but it would be cool, I'm planning to give that a go myself in a bit.
@@GabeMillerMusic thanks a lot Gabe. It makes sense, I will keep with this two beats for now and when I am more proficient with them maybe add another machine to the setup. Keep on rocking your channel is growing and that's beautiful.