Surviving R. Kelly (Day 3)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- All The Missing Girls
Parents of girls in R. Kelly's camp accuse him of keeping them psychologically and sexually imprisoned; one mother fights to get her daughter back, and wins.
Black Girls Matter
As other major public figures fall from grace, women's groups come forward to take aim against the sexually brazen superstar.
#SurvivingRKelly #FunkyDineva #FunkyBunch
What I respect most about you is that even when I find an area of disagreement, it feels like more of a point of engagement than it does disappointment. I know that you are only thinking critically about a topic and most times being more honest than most other are comfortable being. I love everything about your content because you always approach things from a place of intellect, humor and even grace. I am excited about the new direction of your media channel and I am motivated in my own space. Thank you for being here. You're a star in the real way, not hollywood. You just shine.
I must agree with you 100 percent, he is so showing much growth. Quinten is awsome.
I totally agree!
Great words
Could have not said it better! Yes!
Jambo, habari yako! Words right out my mouth. I complimented him a while ago. We need to encourage and uplift people like him who stand up for an open, logical and critical discussion that is rare and lacking in the world today.
The Clary parents made me mad af because they knew everything and ignored the freaking signs just like Aaliyah’s parents did.
The Clarys just ain't give a fuck cuz everything had done came out at that time.
Thats what I'm saying who tf takes their teenager to an rkelly concert first off. I can see if they went to like a meet and greet but they let him pull her up on stage. Like what the entire fuck😵
Facts
And this was after everything had been out..now they mad! He hadn’t been poppin in a decade and u still thought he could make ur daughter a star!??I can’t with these parents!
All these parents need to go to jail! No parent that loves their children will allow this 💩 to go down! Your child don’t come home from school on time you snapping! Your child don’t pick up the phone when you call you worry and be about to call the 👮! The parents are playing the victims now but their the cause of this 💩 too! RKelly, Andrea, his brother, the women and men involved all need to go to FUCKN JAIL! #noexcuses#
Some people were raised, others just grew up...
I guess Im kinda randomly asking but does anybody know of a good site to stream new movies online?
@Wayne Alvin try Flixzone. Just google for it :)
@Abraham Cesar yup, I've been using Flixzone for months myself =)
@Abraham Cesar Thanks, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there =) I appreciate it !!
@Wayne Alvin happy to help :)
Chile this whole documentary has exhausted me!!! I don’t think I’ve watched anything in a long time that has drained my spirit and energy like this has.
Sis me too.
This is why I don’t know if I can watch it
That's why I stop watching it bc I can't understand where the fuckin parents
Me too I went to bed for hours then even though I stop supporting him years ago I threw away ALL MY CDs today 🤬
im telly you you said a mouthful right there this made me mad and cry at the same time and people still wanna step in the name of love to the evil pied pipers tune smdh wtf
This docuseries drained me and left me feeling the world is going to sh❗️t. It made me realize as a society we over look a lot of foolish at the cost of our on demise. Lord help the youth!
XOXO_ Shaunie I agree
XOXO_ Shaunie It took this documentary to make you feel like the world is gone to shit?
Same
I couldn’t understand why Azriel’s parents would even take her to a R Kelly concert. Seems inappropriate knowing how sexually charged his music is...
Jackson Tenise I thought the same thing!!! And then let R Kelly pull her up on stage!!! I mean the daddy seemed either a little weak or money hungry to allow that🤷🏽♀️
Jackson Tenise.
I have been saying the same thing.
Everybody knew what R Kelly is about.
His music is all about Sex...
Saaaaaammmmeee EXACT THING I SAID....why was that CHILD at that concert? Why?
Me either!!!! I thought THE SAME THING!
@@valendabroussard9760 the daddy seemed slow af
Azriel's parents really have me confused. You take your 17 year old to a R. Kelly concert, let him pull her on stage, AND let her go with him out of town with a "guardian"?! It would almost make sense in 1995, but in 2015? Nah, playa. I got questions that need answers...
LD M they are liars. I think they pimped off their daughter.
I had so many questions and side eyes
yes I agree the daughter had no reason to be there...maybe the parents had motives but they thought they could control the situation. why did the dad go out of town with them???and is he the only person in the music industry??
Preach
First of all my seventeen-year-old ain't going up on no stage and I'm there... Let's start there
Kitty and Asante... I'm sorry... I feel no ways tied for ya'll. Ya'll met him as adults. After alllllll the allegations, you consciously set out to be with him. That would mean you quit your job, sold your assets, and willingly moved to live in a 300 sq ft room. Make it make sense please.
LD M Amen, I tweeted and asked why was she on the documentary
Yes indeed...now was it me or it seemed that Asante appeared to be slightly off.....? The other chick was dumb as hell, you had warnings....looked at the video and you still went in...you two aren't victims just fools!
300 sq. foot room, jtfo
@@cornellwilson3760 Asante is a self diagnosed "Super Fan"... that would make me believe she knows allllllll of what's going on, good or bad, over the year. Mama gotta be a lil off fam. You're right.
@@Taggimit yes she saud that if someone spoke bad about him she would even put them out of her house.. smh. So she went willingly, knowing everything about him.. Dont feel sorry for her all
Hi, i'm a current Psychology student last year in my studies, I believe its a psychological pattern of Mental Development traumatic childhood experiences, like severe abuse, may be due to an impaired structure and functioning of cells in the anterior cingulate cortex. This is a part of the brain which plays an important role in the regulation of emotions and mood. R. Kelly wants to have control of these young girls and take their innocence the same way his innocence was taken as a young child. Him being involved with older women and being married are just life experiences for him to have control over, the abuser might also try to prove sexuality by initiating a lot of short-term sexual relationships with women, in the hope that fear of being homosexual will eventually disappear.. Hopefully this helps!!😉
@mizzmolly Hi, I believe Dominique dressing up like a boy is truly connected to the sexual abuse she has endured. Abused children are strongly motivated to want to please adults whose care they depend on. Also her dressing up like a boy and R.kelly approving it can be connected back to his psychological harm on his mental developments leading back to his childhood. I can't really speak on his daughter's case because that's a deep situation, but studies do show that Individuals who identify as transgender tend to experience higher rates of mental health issues than the general public. also, one third of abused children will eventually victimize their own children."
Do you believe he is homosexual?
@@businesslady26 yess!!
Damn!
I would like to have a session with you.
@@businesslady26 Jerhonda Pace said he's gay in her opinion.
I cried on the Dominique escape too!! That was disturbing and sad AF! 😢😢😢
When I read at the end she returned to him at 3 days but then returned to her mom I was shook.🤯
I knnnoooow...she’s going to need major counseling! She’s a beautiful girl...#PoorChild
Watch Escaping Polygamy.. They flee that situation too.. wheww
. It is saddd
@@tmac9818 EXACTLY! I couldn't believe she went back 3 days later to rkelly...that had me speechless like wtf 🤔
My heart ached for her and her mother
Every adult that was involved should be put in jail
Q I agree with everything you said
Especially the ones that aided him in the early years
@@marzellholbrook6130 they knew exactly what they were doing. They thought
thought their daughter was going to be a huge star, when them poor babies music never came out they started making reports. I'm soooo fucking mad, not at them babies, but their fucked up parents
Those grown women who participated in sexual acts with the young girls should be in trouble too
Dominque's mom does deserve the mother of the century award. My mom would have done the same thing. I hope all of the women affected find some peace within.
Amanda B I would of done the same thing !!!
Amanda B exactly she had the best mother mine would’ve got the strap and happily went to jail so Long as i was safe
Yea she reminded me of my own mother. My mom would have done the EXACT same thing. Chase me down!
Soon as that door would’ve opened my mother wouldn’t even have to lift a finger or saying anything before my father or brothers would’ve dragged my ass down that hallway!
Too bad that was staged. She knew where her daughter was the whole time because she was being paid by R. Kelly. He bought her a boutique and everything.
My heart still hurts for Dominique. I really hope her mother puts her in Counseling and NOT on TV.
Billie Smith-jones I don’t think her moms intentions were to put her on tv because the mom tried to go inside in shut the door .. dominque opened the door back because the girl was in the room .. and her mom told the cameras to stay back once she did get her .. I don’t think she noticed the mics were still on because she was caught in the moment.. I loved Michelle and even how she knew how to handle the situation with her child
I hung with R.Kelly 1 time on his tour bus and he gave off such a eerie feeling. My friends and fam called me dumb for not sleeping with him and going to Chicago. But I didnt feel comfortable he kept asking me my age which made me think of aaliyah. I would say 18 and he was like say "No 18 daddy" he corrected me several times and yelled at me because I looked out the bus window. I was 2 seconds from cursing his ass out. He is intimidating so I know how people feel pressured. I seen abuse growing up so I know the red flags. I set a alarm real quick when he went to the bathroom because he dont allow phones around him even yelled at the me when I sent a text to my mom. But when that alarm went off I acted for my life and said I had a family emergency. Got off that damn bus and never talked to his ass again or listened to his music. My mom was like what he did to you. I couldn't explain it but he is so aggressive and try to hide it but intuitively I felt like he was abusive, he had a infatuation with age, and he dont want you to talk he have a way of shutting you up without him even saying anything. That moment in 2010 was when I felt and grieved for what aaliyah went through because I officially got it.
Praise God you were quick on your feet and followed your instincts..If you had complied to his demands and line of questioning theirs no telling would could have happened
@@andrespace6088 Right!!
Girl I'm so glad you didn't stay.
Thank God you had the good sense to get off precious!
Thank you for sharing your story. Something similar happened to me with a guy. I got bad vibes and set my phone alarm and played like my roommate called. He became furious and I just knew if I did not leave something bad would happen to me. I’m so glad you listened to your intuition. I’ve never been able to put into words or describe what happened to me so your story gave me chills. Stay blessed
Grown women can be manipulate too. Whether denying his accusations or just falling in love. Women get into manipulative abusive (physically emotionally mentally and sexually) relationships. They are controlled everyday.
A silly girl is one thing. There's only so much you can do for a silly grown ass woman with kids.
Men too, it's life..
This, exactly this. When you're young, you think "I'm different to other people my age, no one will get the drop on me." When you're an adult, you think "I'm an adult, I know what's cool and what isn't cool. No one will get the drop on me."
But then you start thinking; maybe it's in your head? Maybe he's having a bad day? Maybe it's you, and you *did* do something, so you need to talk about it.
Then, you're in love. You want to be around them because they weren't always like that. When you first met, he was great 7 days of the week.
By the end, he's awful 6 days of the week, but on the seventh, he's a dream. So you start waiting for that seventh day.
No one would date an abuser if they *knew* he was an abuser. If he abused *them* from day one. It's so gradual you can't even see it happening.
@@wejust_dontknow yes exactly. People think over night you are manipulated no it's little by little no matter what age you are abuse is abuse the person who is the abuser is the problem, NOT the victim.
Say what you want but dineva has mastered comedic timing. The way he transitioned to kitty I hollered 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 yes he has me dying!
I'm Elated that we in the black community is having this dialogue! Thank you Dineva for the platform!
I happened to be sexually abused as a child. So I was extra protective of my kids. I warned my children about predators. I told my kids to be aware of adults trying to be their friends. Real adults don't want to be around nobody's kids. Only a child molester wants to be friends with kids. I hugged my kids, listened to them, and did everything possible to protect them. I even got into arguments with men who looked at my daughter's. And I didn't let no woman hug up on my son's. They had a mom. Parents step up and protect and teach your children real life skills.
Q, you are so on point, and you did it so eloquently. I was done with R Kelly and his music when he started going by the moniker "Pied Piper." Look into that story, the Pied Piper of Hamelin led children away when their parents refused to pay for his services. R Kelly calling him self the Pied Piper is sick and twisted. As a black woman I wanted to take the time to thank you for being bold enough and brave enough to publicly state that you will be giving up his music. Thank you for standing up for the black community in the myriad ways that you do, but especially this one. It's easy to voluntarily give up the things that trigger painful memories. However to give something up voluntarily that releases endorphins and triggers a happy response can be painful in itself. That you're doing this despite all of the good memories that you personally have in connection to his music, is an inspiration to me personally, and should be a catalyst for us all to do some soul searching and investigating and investment into our own moral compasses. Thank you.
Speaking truth to power!!!
Exactly, Pied Piper led them away with his music. This shit got me not trusting nobody
I always thought I knew the story, I thought that it was about rats BUT when I googled and found out the full story I was disgusted... r. kelly isn’t as dumb and ignorant as he want people to believe. The audacity to name himself “pied piper” and no one noticed is crazy. It’s so bold and arrogant
The documentary drained me! Everyone who worked with him need to be held accountable 🤬
Absolutely.
Yes! That shit gave me a headache because people walked around him and knew the shit that was going on and still enabled the shit. Spare me the bullshit
Jean facts...
Exactly.
I got tired if crying and praying
Predators prey on those that aren't as happy with themselves as other people seem to think they are. All these females were as they themselves stated, "superfans". There were simple things he did and said to them to see if he could control them without any pushback. Those that didn't go along with him, he didn't keep around because they would make it difficult for him to control the others. It does not matter how old a person is if they've had past traumas and/or have a self-esteem issue it is easy for them to be manipulated. (They haven't done the work.) Now, let's remember how mentally unstable teenagers are. The frontal lobs of their brains have not completely developed. That doesn't happen until 25 years of age. This is the age of rebellion! No matter what these parents would have said or done these teenagers would have left, or ran away to be with this "celebrity". How many noticed that these women were all involved in music in some form or fashion. That is how he knew they would at the least be interested. Even if it was just for the music.
Brilliantly stated!
In the documentary it was said that R. Kelly prefer his girls to be weak minded and easy to control
John Legend spoke out against R Kelly years back in a court case..he was a witness to something that went on with Kelly in the studio. Don't remember too much but that's why he was apart of the documentary.
Edit: Also wanted to add that John Legend doesn’t even need to be directly involved with anything in this case to speak out about the situation. It’s about time black men stand up for black women anyways. Black women constantly rally for police brutality.🤗
Right I knew nothing about this.rkellys team must of swept this under the rug really fast.
I was today years old when I found this out 😮
Another fucking lie...
@@IjeomaMenkiti how do you know? Smh
Oh wow didn’t even know
Did anybody pick up the fact that the Police gave R Kelly the heads up about the "Well-Fare check" because he knows people in the chicago police station. I meann no where to runn!!! He had eyes everywhere!!!!
Sheba Honey right they was covering for him to ‼️‼️
Yeah, money and greed
Fire they azzes and prosecute them as well. This WHOLE thing stinks like rotten fish from the head to the tail!!
Sheba Honey exactly ✔️
I think they actually mentioned that he does have snitches in the police department
There are men who r not celebrities doin this yes its real
you are so right
+Mona Scott, Yes
So true
Ive been WAITING for your call! Never clicked so fast! #notificationgang
Vanessa St-Amand right
Yes gurl... Lol
We been waiting
Vanessa St-Amand me too!!!!
They were talking about Kitti on Rickey Smiley, they said she left me for bags and shoes. She worked the Rickey Smiley Morning Show.
@@jvictorianelite he tells the truth and nothing but
Thank you for sticking throughout it Q.
Yes Indeed!👏🏾
I don’t care what no one says...Drea is lying that she didn’t know about the other girls. She knew! R Kelly has a pattern that he carried through with each of the girls. They all knew about each other and accepted that he had multiple women. Treated wonderful by him while dating until once moved into the house then it all changes. Do you really think he changed that pattern for Andrea. If you asked me I think she was content there was other girls there because it meant less time spent on abusing her. She can have some short periods of relief & peace. It’s probably a survival coping mechanism but she managed to get out!!! After she got out she was in a position now and free will to help them girls. And She should of helped those girls by going public, calling police, or even mention it in those multiple tv interviews she had in which she spoke of her own abuse. She only went public about her abuse and didn’t try to help them. She knew and needs to be accountable. In my opinion she didn’t say anything because she knows it and doesn’t want to look bad in the court of public opinion. However know I see her ghetto video. I wonder if she was plainly on board the whole way with R Kelly! Hmmmm.... Either way I don’t believe Drea didn’t know!
I think so too. She just dont wanna go to jail
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Jeannie Ortiz Yes, she knew. What don’t come out in the wash will come out in the rinse.
@@dlynn101 you mad or nah? 🤷🏿♀️
Jeannie Ortiz She is the one that need the biggest ass whooping out of all the adults.
This documentary was put together fairly well. I just hope something good can come out of this production and not just a few paychecks.....
Well put I agree with u
Only paychecks!!Lifetime dont care for u black girls
The participants did NOT get paid for this Documentary. Dream Hampton has spoke on this detail several times now.
@@csbean8783 I'm not only referring to payments to the cast and crew for the production. I'm mostly referring to settlements and aftermath effects. Some of those young ladies have already been paid off and one even broke her NDA to speak out.
Mr. Know It All Got it. Agreed. As cheap as R Kelly was, I bet the settlements and pay outs were little to hardly any money to there girls and their parents compared to the huge settlements the white kids received from Michael Jackson. Just saying.... we settle for anything. It’s hard to believe how easy it was to buy these people off.
Azaria's parents were only concerned about their daughter being a star. They GAVE her to him. When they said they gave R. Kelly the daughters number I knew right then they didn't have good intentions.
The signed a damn paper...I fell dead to the bed when they said that
Right! I couldnt understand why they would take a 17 year old to his concert, then allow her to go onstage with him with other grown women. He is known for bringing women on stage, but her being only 17 just bothered me. They are def paying the ultimate price now. I pray she returns home one day.
Exactly! I'm wondering why she had Direct contact with him and not them!! Straight BS
The parents only seen 💰
In 2011.
There was more than enough information to decide that leaving your child alone with his man would potentially put her in danger.
Trial or no trial.
There was more than enough information available. Then that whole hotel situation...
Nope that should have been it.
They say the main reason that John legend spoke out is because he witnessed something years ago in the studio with R Kelly and he did not like it and it rubbed him the wrong way so he's been speaking out about him ever since... So for him it's personal...
@Alissa Michelle I agree!!! It should be personal to everybody... Period!!!
Did he call the police
Really? What did John Legend witness?
@@kellyryan6914 hell no ...everyone continue to listen to his music and turn the blind eye and danced to his flute song ...He"s been doing it for years..
@@basha8313 Well that's the problem. People saw things but remained silent.
As this doc rolled out I realized I haven't listened to alot of his music lately (even the classics he has) which makes it pretty easy to let go of the music
Conversations With Me same here
Wow! Dineva you went up 2k followers in a week, you’re amazing and we love you!
"A silent scar that only a predator can see" This is so true!!!! Let us pray.
Kitti, Ashante, Azriel’s parents represent the people who have made excuses for R. Kelly and continue to support him despite the allegations. Now their asses are caught up in his trap of abuse.
This!!!! I said the same damn thing. Its okay until its their child. Damn shame
My mama would've kicked the door and snatched me by my ponytail
Okay!!!! Edges and All!!!
Periodt and if that was my sister baby iono care if you is grown baby you living this situation periodttttt
Exactly😫
Yatta. Datta right i don’t care what threats he gave me if he was so bold then he’ll do baby I’m telling my parents that my sister is in danger periodt !!! Mane I’ll take a bullet for all my siblings that’s how blood works !!!
L C rightttt
John Legend witnessed stuff in the studio and spoke up
NOT WHEN IT MATTERED.....FUK HIM
John legend ain't shit....#team r.kelly💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
I prayed over my babies.........and ask God to cover them with his blood
.in Jesus...name......
This doc was overwhelmed but needed....
Girl, me too
I do as well you have to put God in the situation have too God bless you and your family
I have been doing the same. Hopefully, this will start the trend of old school parenting again and not caring about being your kids friend or them liking you. I remember going straight home from school, not allowing anyone over while my mom wasn’t home, checking in by phone to let her know I was home and the door not opening again until my mom came home. Thank God for strict parents! I’m sure this saved me a million times over.
Davis Campos amen
I’m not only praying over them but making sure they feel loved, protected ,and important so that no one can PREY on them.
I feel like Azriels parent were full of sh*t because the mom was talking about “when I see you it’s on and popping, I’ve been to jail before” and the dad was up there co-signing with her but your daughter was inside a building and the police said they couldn’t go in....if MY child, hell even if my DOG was being held captive my someone, it don’t take much to drive a car through a building, especially since you not afraid to go to jail....
EXACTLY, they both living their lives while their daughter is in harms way. She had all the bravado as he stood there on the phone while she banged on the door, shouted, threw rocks on the window. He's a pathetic excuse for a male. I think he has a mangina!
Riiiight
would have bought a big ass ladder climbed up there and smashed that damn window out.
🚚🚚 I'm getting in there!!
Girl you can't drive a car through a brick building in Chicago, maybe a hummer
RIGHT! Kitty and that other lady, Asanti, whatever her name is, they need to be ashamed of themselves!!! Like what??? 30 something and signed up for it, then crying later.....girl BYE!!!
You could try having some empathy for them. People have different psychological states that drive their behaviors that may seem crazy or stupid to others. A LOT of women suffer from a poor sense of self worth and low self esteem and that's not their fault.
And the sad part is that Asante is a mother and left her kids to be raised by her older daughter. The same one that says her mother is lying. Smh.
I said the same thing. Those bitches are dumb as hell. They willingly put themselves in those situations. Kitty's friend tried to tell her about R. Kelly and even show her the infamous tape but she didn't listen. She still quit her job and move to Atlanta to be with R. Kelly. Just stupid.
@@kaygee2277 There is no excuse for that Kitty lady because she was a DJ with a whole career and she left that to go be with him. She was in the industry. She knew who he was. She should have known better. Ijs.
Pray and Slay Right they knew better now they writing books and milking this whole saga off R.kelly name.
I wouldn’t have take my 17 year old to a R. Kelly show. IJS.... and she wouldn’t have went on no damn stage either
Thank you!!!!!
That part !!
Right!! And then let her go back stage with him alone!! No !!
Toniesha Walker Facts!! I was wondering why she was there
That should've just been a date between them. He would've pulled my child on stage. Then again, my child wouldn't even be there.
Wendy said it all. He likes petite women. I think he is stuck between 8 to 15 mentally or emotionally somehow.
Bea Jane Hudson probably because of the age he was, during his own abuse. And possibly because they are the opposite of his molester sister.
My God that's so real!!
Bea Jane Hudson and he reads below that level as well. That’s terrible
When me and my family was discussing it today I kept telling them that he is stuck at our age or something very very traumatic happened to him
Bea Jane Hudson - this man has multiple personalities and one of those personalities is the age at which he was abused.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT CHARLAMAGNE❗️
Yes dont like him.....he's a ass hole💯
He abuse someone too
I absolutely agree with you on Kitty and Asante....get off my line
Them broads knew better in there 30s acting like that and no sympathy for them but the other girls that we're minors now I feel hurt for them
I feel that way about Jarhonda! She was at his trail and still drink the kool-aid!
I just want everyone that enabled the situation to get where it is to be held accountable....rather than soliciting our sympathy.
Ooh I was so mad!! How the hell they gave up everything to be with this man! I was like you have to be bat shit crazy and want to say they survivers 😡 no bitch y'all stupid
MsCarolinadiva as for Jerhonda, she was 14 going to a trial of her favorite artist. A lot of “stans” could’ve ended up in the same situation with their favorite artists who they were blinded by and believed were innocent.
Why would the mom and dad take their 17 yr old daughter to his concert and let her go on stage...that made no damn sense to me azreail....they were looking for the come up
Rochean Spencer I said those exact same words.... verbatim. Somebody needs to make it make sense!!
I agree! They knew how he was and if their daughter had talent, they should have looked to other people to help their daughter.
Why would R Kelly sleep with a kid no matter how close she was or how she got in his presence, HE IS THE PROBLEM, NOT THE PARENTS!!
Rochean Spencer Not until right now am I really looking at the parents different😒Why would any 17-year-old be at an R. Kelly concert with their parents? His music is so sexually suggestive and I can’t imagine there was any other 17-year-old girl there with their parents on date night? That being said he’s disgusting it’s never her fault it’s never anyone’s fault but the predator... but that family though??
The dad couldn't have given two shits about anything Kelly did because it didn't effect him - until it did.
I been through wit R Kelly frfr even before the Doc my playlist has not one of his songs...and I don’t miss it ...when it comes to 90s music I found plenty of songs to take the place of dude. Keep these vids comin!!
Yes preach we need the black community to take a stand and stop enabling such predators
When the money disappears so will rkelly.
Bye to the lawyers, bodyguards, assistants, managers, handlers, credit cards, etc.....
Thank you Dineva for standing by us. Sending so much love your way!!!!
Azriel parents was slow AF!! The oldest sister was dumb too! How she NOT tell her parents what happened until things got worse?!?!
Star struck!!! Is it me or did anyone notice that NONE of these women were on a R.Kelly track! #NotOne
Soooooo what did they stay for again?!?!
Shakia Jackson very Slow asf
I was like not one of them was talking about he was giving me all this stuff so I was excited. He would have lost me as soon as I couldn't eat for days. I can't eat, you hitting me and doing crazy things to me in gone.
AyeishaNOCurry exactly. Fuck that..my ass is going to find a way to eat and drink. These bird brain chicks..lord 😩🤦🏽♀️
@@shaunettehoney3514 that part was the director's selective storytelling. Mentioning the gifts, money and material things would have hurt their narrative. Lisa posted a picture on her ig of her at what she calls "Her" vacation home with family members that were "flewed out" to visit.
Shaunette Jewsbury I'm so sorry for laughing at your comment😂😂😂. Do they know how important eating food is? Was he really trying to break their spirit and leave them weak, defenseless?
The majority of his victims bonded with him over molestation and abuse similarities in their backgrounds. That's how he relates to them and sorts them into ones who will stay in his house and ones that are temporary. Notice the unseen speaker said that the women with their shit together were temporary. The ones that were hurt in their pasts were permanent.
Right
Spoke the truth!
Abusers Target them specifically. Also girls with no Dad's & those whose mother's are too busy & overwhelmed to notice.
Mary V R right. And remember she said not only could he spot the weak girls but he could spot the parents that he could get over on. Q was right when he said that Azriel parents were star struck and was more into her being famous than anything.
I’m a licensed counselor and a long time fan and I’ve always said that you should be in the helping field. You have a way of conceptualizing situations with empathy that is usually reflected in therapy.
As a psychology major; currently in grad school...I think it is a matter of him staying within the age group that he lost out on because of his particular abuse. Maybe during the ages of adolescence years is when he realized he was beyond those hormone stages and didn't quite fit in like he may have liked; considering that he was sexually abused at such a younger age. Now that he has an interest in; as you said 36 years old's; his mentality has now hiked up in years (being that he isn't exempt from aging) and those once teenage girls would now be within that same age group of 36. If that makes sense. He's stuck in a time frame that would have been essential to the overall development that he recognizes that he lost out on. At least at the pace of his peers, during his time. Those are pivotal years for all of us. No different from men coming out of prison as older men but still walking around as the 'young' men they once were when the first went to prison. Holding onto years they lost out on. Just some off the top of my head thoughts. No actual research done here ;-)
my thoughts exactly, his childhood was robbed and he's clinging to young girls to fill the void. Disgusting but sadly true
I think so too. You're spot on with this one!
Proud of Tom Joyner, spotify, pandora, and other stations for removing him or not allowing him to further make money.
Sttuuuurrrvvvveee it up!!! That kitttiiiiii...whatever you say, I'm agreeing with you! THAT HEFFA THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO BE SPECIAL! He never loved yoooouuu!!!
Renee Young nah. Spotify still has his music
He’s not removed from any streaming services, just removed from their playlists.
Thanks ladies. I couldn't remember which station downgraded him.
Pandora STILL has his music!!
His music is still on Pandora.
I think you would be an amazing psychologist!!!
Yanicheyanne1 Has
What he did to Dominique was powerful! I wasn’t sure a man had that much power! That’s scary. Whew chyy
Pimp mentality.
Dominique’s story was the saddest. She was with him for 9 years. But kudos to her mom. I hope she prosecutes him.
I don’t think anyone caught it but Azriel ‘s mom stated that prior them going to the concert something happen to her but she didn’t go in further detail . R.Kelly smells any insecurity , family problems etc . Azriel is his favorite and has very young face and I pray that she makes it out .
Yes that part. Plus knowing his history why did they take her to the concert while she was underage and allow her to go up on stage. Some of these parents willingly turned a blind eye and a now paying for it dearly
Them parents dumb as hell
Yeah... WTF was Charlemagne the God on there for?
Say same thing
Why would some parents take there teenage daughter to a R.Kelly concert. His music is not even in her age demographic.
Finally some one said it....I understand all the other things that took place after she went on stage but what reason could they give to justify her needing to be at HIS concert, which song inspired her of his🤔
I thought the same thing!
Exactly!!! They set her up... and then to let her go on stage... and then the hotel “interview” in Orlando the next day... they’re the only parents that I have zero sympathy for.
@@APTTMHYforever right because I would have slapped that microphone out of R.Kelly hand sanging to my daughter 😂😂 his music is to inappropriate for her
Nessa gurlllllll!! I almost broke my thumb tryna click on this video 😂
Bree Christina right
Girl...dropped my phone, hit the wrong video by mistake and all trying to get to this video so fast.
I agree I really don't have time for Ms Kitty! You left your profession to have to ask to pee and had to have your friend in TX to order a pizza for you in Chicago? I cant and I wont! smh Kitty main regret was she didn't get her bags and red bottoms! SMH
After watching the 6 part docuseries ”Surviving R.Kelly”. I want to share my thoughts on the entire documentary. In beginning, I was in a rage about some parts of the documentary, mostly the Aaliyah segment. I had felt that she is no longer present with us, and her narrative can be easily be misrepresented and false (and still till this moment my feelings remain the same). This documentary has pulled the full mirror image not just on R.Kelly, the victims and the victim’s parents, but on the general public.
Just like the victims, we too were manipulated by this single man through his music. The music felt so good in our spirit and it brought happy times along with loving times, that we became very blinded by what was really the message he was spreading in his music. Like Michael, Marvin, Prince, and Mary, Robert Kelly had a gift with his music that made us remember good moments and gave us inspiration to go through life. The sad part about it was that we really didn’t know that his music muses were at the expenses of preteen, teenage and young black women.
I was never a fan of R. Kelly (even still to this very moment I’m not). However, I did like songs that he had written for some of my favorite artists like Michael (You Are Not Alone), Ciara (Next To You and Promise remix), and Aaliyah’s first album Age Ain’t Nothing but a Number. After finding out the true meaning behind the songs and album, I can’t listen to those songs and that album anymore.
Another part that brought rage to my soul, was the victim shaming, blaming and total disrespect to the victims. I have my experiences in life and remember being afraid because I didn’t know what the outcome would be, thank god that my mother stood by me and wanted to help me get through my trauma. It is easy to blame the parents, and I can understand how it can be. However, we have to remember how we all missed the signs in his music, they also missed the signs also. Also to clarify somethings, Aaliyah’s Mother wasn’t the one who introduced Aaliyah to R.Kelly, it was her uncle; Barry Hankerson.
He was R.Kelly’s manager at the time and had ties in the music industry (He was once married to Glady Knights). He managed both Aaliyah and R.Kelly’s careers at the same time. Her mother trusted her daughter with her brother, because why would my brother put his niece in harm's way. Yes, it was naive on their part, and it very sad an unfortunate what happened to her.
Aaliyah wasn’t the first young star who dated or mess around with men older than her. (Sorry to do this) Brandy (15-16)mess with Wayna(20 something), and yes they weren’t married or anything. However, the age difference is an issue (made a post about it and Brandy fans/stans wanted to attack me). Diddy, exploited a young usher to sex during his first album (when he was mentoring him), Lil Wayne admitted that he was raped at 11 and was forced to performed sexual activities in front of Birdman and Cash money crew, Britney Spears dressing inappropriately on the cover of The Rolling Stones (wearing a silk top, and boy shorts),even the lyrics in our favorite teen star songs had hidden innuendos about pre-martial sex. Songs like: “I wanna be down”(Brandy), “With You” (Monica), “Whispers” (Usher) and etc etc. The moral of the story is that a lot of young artists had either been exploited for personal gained or economic gained.
This docu-series has brought issues that We as the black community covers up due to feeling shame and failure to the forefront. It was needed and it was a great conversation piece. It did bring a lot of emotions out of me, because of my personal experiences, but it also helps me to remember that I’m not a victim, I’m a survivor and I can go forth in my truth without shame. It also brought out a very complex question that we; the black community, needs to answer right away. Do we stop supporting him or separate the man from the art? Well for me, I never supported him, and I’m not separating the man from his art, because his art is pure evidence to the many crimes he has committed for 2 decades.
Sorry for the long post! Just wanted to get this off my chest.
Thank you for your honesty
U on youtube too travis lol.. This is eddie
Thank you brother!
You stated nothing but the truth
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 very well said
He was only fooling with the older women to cover up them young girls.
True
Exactly...plus he sniffed out their vulnerability too! Well atleast the vulnerability of the one with the cheating husband, and the stupidity of the radio castor dumb lady!
I cried when the daughter was in the car crying to her mom. That was really deep for me. She said “that was the hardest decision she’s ever made” how do this monster have that much power over these girls? It’s sickening!
the former employee behind the curtain has to have been a personal assistant...they knew too much and they're accountable too.
The parents did nothing. Until the r kelly checks stopped coming in
😂😂😂
Exactly
He wasn't even paying child support ..what checks
One girl said he tested her to see how she would react. That's how he knew which girl to keep and which one to leave alone
RIGHT!!
Thank you! Kitty is not a victim. I don’t feel sorry for her in the least. She was a grown woman and went along with all of it.
I felt the same way about the older ladies. In it for a lil change. These parents pimped their daughters.. I was so happy for Dominque's mom! I literally cried..
Me too!!!
Seeing Dominique dressed like a boy made me so sad. I was so glad when her mom got her !
L. Peach State same
Her whole story made my stomach flip a million times. Happy her mom managed to get her out of that mess
Me too especially seeing her all dolled up in the makeup picture
I cried a river.
Girl I cried
I’m side eyeing Dominique’s momma a little. She waited for the network to buy her a ticket before she got flewed out 🤔🤔🤔
Maybe ahe didnt know or wasnt shure where her Daughter was.. cuz he has different properties in different states.. the network probably just found out where she was at before doing the documentary... I dont know if thats what happen... I am glade she got her back.
And she is, still today, dating his bodyguard
sexy cherry SHE FUCKING KNEW. She was being paid by him.
Miss Kitty get off my line!!😂😂😂😕
I would love to see the parents on Iyanla. She would call them out on their BS.
Shannon Scott Yes!!!
All of the players should be on Iyanla .
Shannon Scott I was thinking the same thing too
Great idea.
But to what end? The trauma has been done. The families have been humiliated. The victims' lives have been changed forever.
I read (somewhere?) that @dreamhampton and others involved with the docuseries have already made sure that the families receive follow-up mental health services. I don't think we would gain anything more from having Iyanla yelling at them on national TV but to fulfill own need to see these parents punished, and I want no parts of that. Instead, I hope that we will see justice for those girls/young women, and that the predator who hurt all of them is made to take responsibility for his actions.
I'm not here for Drea Kelly sorry
Me neiver
Especially when she was trying to make a coin by being his wife on rb divas or whatever that show was
Right
fyecarmel2012 me either because she is doing too much wavering back and forth is she against him or not...
To me she is feel of shit
Funky, thank you, I've enjoyed your entire coverage on this documentary. I live in the UK, so we don't get to see this show as yet. However, your review captured my imagination so deeply that I feel as though I also watched the shows myself. I feel that your ability to relay information with conviction helped to take me through the various emotions you appear to have tapped into yourself i.e. mentally, emotionally and possibly physically. This perpetrator and his yes men/women enablers are all sick, twisted, evil and all deserve to be in prison. This has also been hugely about the love of money on the yes brigade. He has been their money train, tree or whatever applies to greedy people. It feels dark and he is most likely worked under the influence of the devil (allegedly!!). Thank you very much for your well thought out and great delivery of this awful story Funky Dineva xx
Mrworldpremiere has all 6 parts online. I’m in the Uk and just finished watching
I'm in the UK too and watched it all on Brokensilenze.net
Oh and I watched a BBC documentary that coincided with the Beverly Hills hotel situation and what y'all didn't see on Lifetime that I saw on BBC the police had to break down Joselyn's hotel door to do the welfare check! She told them she wants NOTHING to do with her family and she wouldn't speak to them on the phone! Her parents were trying to get a flight out they were booked up til the next day and by then Jocelyn was gone😢 this shit is deeper than we know! I've been following and researching this for some years now!!! #MuteRKelly #BlackGirlsMatter
I seen that too and it raised a eyebrow that they left that out
I caught that document too, whoever produce that one was going in on RKelly. I think the show aired last spring/ summer!
I am with you in the music. Removed his songs from my phone. I just can’t anymore.
Rhea Miller I’m not going to lie I felt some kind of way when I had to delete him from my Apple Music...especially step in the name of love. But I did the right thing
YES! I DO AGREE, Charlamagne need to quiet.
Blackdiamond 2424 that’s what I said
Yo,he should hv been da Last Nucca making any Comments 🙄🙄🙄🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️!!!
New subscriber. The Dominique thing, wearing the boy clothes, short hair and full tattoo arm 😫😫 made me feel so much pain. She did anything he told her. Poor thing
Agree
I was wondering if Dominique represented the Male that abused him
Kimberly Greene this is what I’m confused about. Because in the beginning of the documentary, they said a female relative ... but then towards the end it became a male relative ??
She was most likely scared. That's what makes it so sad.
Monika Mathis R Kelly said it was more than one relative that abused him. His sister wasn’t the only one. So maybe a couple of uncles or something too.
John Legend should be able to speak about this and he has the right to as a man in the Music industry they know things before we do.
The fact that Azriel 's mom says she has been to jail and will go back...not buying it. If you felt that way...why didn't you go before those cameras showed up to get your daughter 🤷🏾♀️ second..Andrea KELLY (kept that last name by the way) got some explaining to do as well!
And R Kelly ain't that hard to find...all she has do is go to one of his concerts and then follow him and the tour buses afterwards!🤔
@@Cravingshay Andrea lived in a different house than the girls, he didn't start moving girls to that house until after she left.
Dark n Lovely I don’t believe that at all, he was way too open about his life.
@@kgee7101 right! When she made the statement "if I ever see u again" girlll Google his tour schedule 🤷♀️
All of these parents are full of shit. Those fathers are simps and beta males. They were opportunists. NO PASS!
Congratulations!!! I’m happy that you are continuing your education!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The Eddie Long tea!!!!!......I"M TIRED OF THIS CHURCH!!!!!!!! *little boy Christmas speech*
Like my Momma says.....a shark can smell blood in the water. That's a predator to a victim
I feel like the hotel staff where Dominique was staying at, had to feel like something wasn't right. They were very eager to assist her... either the manager had a gut feeling something that something wasn't right or that was some major divine intervention
@Alissa Michelle mom stayed in contact with her daughter and the daughter told her the name of the hotel but she never told her the city. Mom saw her on TMZ with the other girl out in California.
Many hotel management are being trained by various federal agencies to recognize the warning signs of trafficking & forced sex work- ESPECIALLY the upscale ones like the Beverly Hills Hotel.
They want NO PARTS of it, it's bad for business & their brand.
God moved that man's heart to actually assist her in rescuing her daughter.
I wish that the cops would go see what he has to say. I bet he has some STORIES.
Dani Elle or it was staged😒
They probably were used to seeing little young girls go in and out of those rooms
Missme Witdat that’s what I think
Congrats to going back to school. You have a purpose and calling, and I’m glad you’re tapping into it!!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I'm trying to figure out what talent he has developed since Aliyah? Why would the parents be so rapped up in what he could do to launch their daughters' careers, all of songs he's written for other artists, they were already well known. #muterkelly
Schonell Burroughs Not to be funny, but I be feeling the same way when I watch love and hip hop with so many girls making it seem as though Stevie J, Kurt, Peter Guns, DJ Self, and Rich Dollars when is the last time you've seen them produce and Artist ??? When???
Sparkle Kmichelle are the only other talent I know of
All I can think of is K. Michelle, Syleena Johnson, and Sparkle.
I was saying the same thing.. What other talents besides Aaliyah did he help?
@@MZAWESOMEFORLIFERID Changine faces
Time for Iyanla: Fix My Life - R Kelly The Soul Snatcher!
OMG.....That would be.....whew chile!!! You know Auntie Iyanla probably don't even wanna be in the same room as him. R. Kelly is beyond Iyanla though.
@@TheeAntisocialXxtrovert You know Auntie Iyanla dont play.😂 She will lock him in a room like she did Kamiyah Mobley🙄
They all need to make Iyanla their next stop! She will need several weeks or months really to unwrap in 2 seasons. 😫
They need, Iyanla, Dr.Phil, Dr. Jeff, Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
More like an exorcism! Break out the holy oil!!!!
No the 2 older ladies I can't understand
Q! Aaliyah’s parents were the ones who knew better out of all them parents ! Aaliyah’s uncle, her mom’s brother was Barry Hankerson. Barry was R Kelly’s manager in the 1990’s (up until 1995) and the CEO of blackground records. Barry’s wife was Gladys Knight. Therefore Aaliyah grew up in an “industry family”. Ain’t no way Barry did not know about Aaliyah and R Kelly because back in 1992, he shouted out her name in a song saying “lil Aaliyah got it”. Barry knew what was happening but like I said Diane (the mom ) and her husband Mike (God bless the dead) pimped Aaliyah our for a check! If you go back to that infamous BET interview where they wore matching shirts, you see Aaliyah playing with a wedding band, if you look at R Kelly’s left hand, he has on a wedding band too. Guess when that interview was made ? August 1994. When did they get married ? August 1994. By that time, Aaliyah was 15, pregnant, but no one stepped up until after the marriage. Damon Dash spoke about it yesterday. He was engaged to Aaliyah towards the end of her life and she wanted to speak on R Kelly and the marriage but she was too broken for it. He wanted to bring her to counseling but she passed before he could do that. Everybody knew about the Aliyah story including her friend Jay Z who still went ahead and had a full on album and tour with R Kelly. That led to Rocafella’s label death. For the rest, Sparkle knew who he was, she was his gf too at one point, she knew the dude! Her brother Greg Landfair whose daughter is on the tape, still played guitar for him after the tape scandal and from what people have said, Reshonda (the lil girl in the tape) still is in contact with him and still lives in Chicago. So they all knew who he was to some extent but chose to turn a blind eye. I sympathize with the daughters but I can’t understand the parents
I wish they can bring some type of evidence to put him away. I pray
Wow! I can't believe all this happened to poor Aaliyah. So I assume she had an abortion?
I'll be the song you referring to was "She Got that Vibe" and referrals to Aaliyah part as " Lil cute Aaliyah got it". Now that's what I call All Time Low!
Can’t understand the parents at all
Author Janae Marie she had one indeed
The bigger question is what stars, aside from Aaliyah, has R. Kelly produced? The parents lived in Atlanta. You can easily bump into stars that can put your daughter on. Not to mention the countless talent shows and social media platforms. Knowing what we all know and heard, you failed your daughters.
Sharon's Boys don’t quote me but didn’t he discover or mentor Avant? I wonder what his take on this is🤔🤔🤔
I think he gets those girls addicted to drugs.
Kayla Monroe he doesn’t have to use drugs to manipulate them. Most were CHILDREN with one of the most famous Black men in the entire world. They are going to try to please him. And when they look at their lives after being with him; what are they really going back to? I think their safety and mental health is worth more than money but in a celebrity and money obsessed culture, giving up access to celebrity and money can seem like too much when “all” you have to do is just not piss him off. And women always think they can learn how to stay on the abuser’s good side.
Heck, people stay in bad situations with unemployed men that can do nothing for them, never mind star-struck young girls/women with a mega-star.
I'm sure that's part of it
A few of girls said he fed them ecstasy. But they all knew and stayed! If Aaliyah, parents had exposed his. Instead letting him sign over his music catalog. He could've been stopped. They basically chose money over their daughter! And yes I also agree drea, knows a whole lot more than she telling!
I feel no sympathy for Kitti and Ashantee either. Their asses need to held accountable!
😂😂😂
Amber Bentlee lol right they were grown assss women 😭
Asante made me realize that his fans simply don't care about what he's done/doing. These grown men and women couldn't care less about those girls and it's disturbing because some of them may be into that crap
Agree
Azriel situation could've been prevented 💯
Kelli B period!
Yes
Kelli B yess 1000% preventable im so mad at her damn parents but i hope she comes home
I believe her parents understand that now & are truly suffering.
100%
It's so shameful to see R.Kelly continues to use these young girls and nothing has happened to him. Isn't this illegal in the US? I don't understand why he's "untouchable"? I actually don't blame him..I blame the society who let him do these things for decades without facing the consequences. This gotta stop right now before he grooms another innocent girl.
As a teen my first job was working in a 5 star hotel where my Mother was a supervisor. Most of the guests were wealthy men on business trips who always found the time to interject sexcapades! They always had young girls, high end 'escorts' young men going in and out of their rooms. They would even proposition the housekeeping staff. Mom made sure I stayed away from room service! If the walls could talk. R. Kelley is guilty of what so many men wealthy men in America is guilty of and getting away wit h it!
Thats right Dominiques mom was gonna get her baby, Dominique looked so empty it was so sad.
In the bible, Jesus came upon a man and he asked him his name; the man replied back and said it is Legion for we are many. And it says, "Be sober, be vigilant; because the devil, a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: That's exactly what R. Kelly is, he's demonic and full of different wicked spirits. The sinister spirits search out and it shows him which person who he can devour. It first starts with the Pied Piper, he's alluring and though many of us are not moved by it, the spirit is seeking out the energy in others he can pull in. There's a saying, "try the spirit by the spirit" that is what those demonic spirits inside Robert Kelly is doing.
Well said!!!
Well Drea Kelly had to have the same spirit. She bonded with him thru a vow of marriage.
For we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood BUT against principalities in high places. He operates in a form of witch craft that is manipulation. And sexual perversion which is the jazebel spirit.
desi ma you hit that on the money!!!!
I didn’t finish the video yet...
But I was mad at Jocelyn Pace, she was at the trial and didn’t believe the accusation even when there’s video evidence. She meets him and hooks up with him and introduce (more like recruit) Dominique to r kelly, (who life was good prior to meeting him). She gets tired of r kelly so she leaves and doesn’t take Dominique with her and leaves it up to her mom to find her daughter. Like what kinda friend is she? Like don’t come over my house and taint my daughter and get her caught up with your fuckery🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️😡🤬
Couldn't agree with you more
She was 14 and star struck
Dominique's mama should've whoop her ass.
I think you are 100% correct!
I agree with him about grabbing the daughter. It's no way I wouldn't had scooped her right up. Wish a mf would say so about me yanking her ass out they ass would have asked me to be there security for the hotel because I would have snapped..
I do agree, except that a 30+ year old woman can't fall prey to abuse we see it and hear it all the time, I have family members that I can't for the life of me growing up see it like why stay...but they do. So it's not only possible but it happens every day. I'm wondering how they walked out.. the older ones especially...I wonder if Aaliyah hadn't said she was pregnant if she would have ever been able to get away from him.
@@MZAWESOMEFORLIFERID Yeah I use to wonder the same thing about aaliyah. The one that I said I would have grabbed she was young but over 18. And the 30 year old one didn't love herself at first. Staying there with all that foolishness should be ashame of herself..
Dominique story reminded me that R Kelly daughter (son) is trans and he doesn't approve that made the story even sicker...the whole thing is sick and I can't understand how nobody has beat his ass yet
R Kelly should've been lost some teeth, a limb, and an eye by now. How is the evidence in front of EVERYONE, but no one does anything?
deirdrasj1 WOW totally forgot about his child being transgender. Kelly has sick behavior.
I am going to give my stand point from a woman who has been there. We go back because depending on how long we dealt with the predator, by then we have been brainwashed to see the good in them that is how they suck us in, along with us having low self-esteem and no self love. I was 22 when it happened to me, had just had a daughter and was suffering postpartum depression, my friends warned me about him, yet by the time they did we had already started having intimate conversations that made feel like I could fix him due to his upbringing. Long story short they were all lies, it took me 6 years to see his true side, by then I wanted to leave but my mind was telling me, he isn't really like that, if I stick it out he will be the person that I saw in him. I could go on but this is just a short synopsis of why we go back. It takes a lot of self love, building yourself up and having a support system to finally leave for good.
I think the older brother molested R Kelly too and the scary part is I think R Kelly eventually ended up enjoying getting molested as a child. R Kelly’s mind is extremely sick, that man needs help.
Rkellys youngest brother Carey eluded to that exact thing when he was talking about both of them getting raped & molested by their older Sister in a recent interview.
Mona W yes he said even tho he was six years old he knew it was wrong and would still get aroused. Whole story sad and sickening
@@sewblue187 I was so disturbed by his interview. Especially when he said he never told his Mom and now the Mom has passed on. 6 years of abuse 😔... But I'm glad he finally found the strength to name that predator.