Right now, the rules team is being lead by Thanos. The Admech and Dark Angels Codexes were built by someone that wants half of the factions dead. Now every faction will wonder: More of the AdMech codex builder, or more of the Necrons?
I feel like they’re scheming. First Ad Mech getting the shitty Combat Patrol twice in a row, as well as having an overpriced army. Now DA have sword heavy units with -1 AP swords. Maybe they’re going to push out a vastly superior army to encourage people to buy a whole new army rather than buy a few new models for old armies or something? If Kroot are released broken, I’m gonna pretend my tinfoil theory is right
The admech one wouldn't be worth it points wise if they doubled the number of models. Not to mention that the old box had some very usable units. Good thing that one is still around.
Literally going through the rules and like…they’re imperium so they can ally knights right? This should be huge for them. The enginseer literally can’t have anything to do with it because it has to be an ad mech vehicle for any of his abilities to work….
Ah yes, the army that can average at _more_ than $1 per point. Of course Games Workshop have a plan for them and won't let them keep struggling until 11th edition.
Amdec is just a classic example of game design not acknowledging lore or production. Their stats should be probably between sisters and space marines lore wise. Much closer to sisters for sure but that would be a much better points to dollar rate. There is not reason they should be a hoard army. There's just someone on the rules team who's really attached to the old-school idea of admec where they were pretty much just a guard regiment. The kits don't support that at all and the lore has surpassed that too having them be practically transhuman.
Auspex you put out so much content this feels ridiculously cheeky to ask, but have you considered doing one about the actual in-game merits of the combat patrols in the combat patrol game mode itself?
I bought the Death Watch Combat Patrol during 9 ed, and it was very good for my Salamanders. Lore-wise, since any member of DW that returns to their original chapter gets to keep their DW shoulder pauldron, I used them on my intercessors to add flavor to my army. It always sparks a conversation when they are on the board!
Boarding patrol "fixed" that by adding extra 3 guys on sprue. Too bad they picked arguably the worst, there is another (from First Strike box) with sergeant (with plasma backpack), Blight Launcher and Bolter, much more useful if you want build 2 squads of 5.
I don’t get why they’re in 7’s. Is it because that’s Nurgle’s number? Why not just balance them around being in 7’s? It’s such a headache decision on GW’s part
@@cadettrev762it is a big mess. They kept a lot of the models from dark imperium so they decided to make the plague marines around the pox walker kit. Probably just an oversight you need to model a few extra bits with green stuff to get the full ten. 7 does almost work but not with the combat patrol. If you don’t want poxwalkers getting three boxes of 7 gets you 21 and you can just kit bash the last guy into a deathguard chaos lord that actually looks like a deathguard and not a black legionary.
@cadettrev762 its literally just because that was how many of them fit on a signle sprue in 8th starter. Imagine having your mainline iconic troop be a mangled sprue from a started box. This is ridiculous.
The most hilarious thing is still Age of Sigmar. The 3E starter is still $120 most places, with two starter armies and rulebook. The "Vanguards", (Combat patrol) of the two factions have stripped down versions of their half of the big box, but for $140
I got a Leviathan and Genestealer Cult box based on your recommendations on where to buy them, and saved a great amount. Getting the actual Leviathan box with the full amount of miniatures and the Hardback book. Thank you for the recommendation and your videos in general. Great place first getting my 40k news :D
True lmao. I can't say I really _hate_ any of the models individually, but it's such a downgrade from getting a Chaplain and a Redemptor. The only models I remotely even care about are the Hellblasters and the Bladeguard, but I could just buy those separately, save some money, and end up with another five Hellblasters on top of that, rather than a bunch of Intercessors and a Captain I'll never use. They're not terrible as models go, but they're certainly not very useful from a "is this a good pick for my army" standpoint.
@@luckysevenow1872it does feel like a lot of the Space Marine patrol values are based on both the intercessor and character tax. The Blood Angels one would be amazing now if it came with say 10 infiltrators/incursors instead of 5 plus some intercessors.
@@sonicwingnut Tbh so many of GW's decisions regarding box sets seem less like they're thinking "okay what are some good thematic picks for X faction" and more like "how can we get rid of all these extra minis we haven't sold cause' no one wants them". I fail to see why they'd take the Impulsor out of the old Space Marine Combat Patrol and re-sell it _again_ as the Vanguard Task Force otherwise. It's like they made 10x more Intercessor and Shadowspear sprues than they actually needed, and have just been trying to sell us the same shit in different packages ever since in an attempt to get rid of them.
I miss the start collecting boxes. Price didn't feel as bad as committing to a combat patrol and they had nice stuff in em. I got 2 of them and would probably have got 3-4 more different ones if they still sold them.
Agreed. The Start Collecting boxes felt less bad buying. It seemed like a more obvious way to get new players into an army. (Plus, several of the old Start Collecting boxes were had as much or _better_ value as the Combat Patrols that replaced them. It was a price hike, plain and simple.)
On the Deatbguard combat patrol. You actually get the body and backpack of a plague marine in each pox walker sprue so theoretically if you use the extra chest arms and heads you can make a plague marine out of each pox walker sprue meaning that if you find some extra bases you can round out a squad of ten out of the box
I see it coming... New space wolf combat patrol. 2 Firestrike turrets 150p 10 reivers 170p 5 assault intercessors 80p 1 terminator captain 95p Total 495p great combat patrol🤯
Hey, at least you came up with a decent joke. Most people just cry. The thing with 40k is that it always changes. Balance data slates, new codexes, new editions. Anyone who cries about change needs to have a visit with Tzeentch. Pathetic children, the whole lot of them.
Hopefully it’ll be decent like the World eaters. I imagine it’s going to be something like 10 demonettes of slannesh 10 noise marines New HQ (perhaps Lucious) And 5 EC terminators
The sisters box really needs full kits. Scrap the partial repentia and arcos, give a full box of everything else, then throw in a squad of sacresancts or retributors to cover for the loss of the melee units. 2 mortifiers, 5 specials, 5 jetpack girls, 10 battle sisters, a canoness, and the rhino would be significantly better to start an army with. The problem with doing a sisters combat patrol, though, is that in order to get around 500 points, you end up with around $300 worth of kits. Which is why I suspect that if we get a new one, it's going to have either an Exorcist or Paragon suits in it to bring down the discount, with my money on Paragons.
I hate the nids one. It’s bad in the combat patrol game mode and is just redundant if you got leviathan box. This probably also applies to the space marines, but I don’t play them.
I've always loved when Combat Patrols compliment the big release box or at the very least shore up deficiencies. It's definitely less valuable when I come away feeling like I'm just being offered redundancy.
Marines is worse. At least the Tyranids getting a whole bunch of redundant models is sort of in-character for the faction. Space Marines get 2 characters twice with both, and just getting the Infernus Marines and Terminators by themselves would probably be ~$60 cheaper than buying the Combat Patrol box.
@@YouWinAFREEiPOD exactly! And Nids got so many new kits that would really benefit being part of a combat patrol box. Outside of the extremely limited Christmas boxes, there is not a good way to get genestealers and hormagaunts except buying them individually.
@@TauEnjoyer yes but the problem is that there are a lot of other tyranid minis that would love to be in a discount box, like hormaguants and genestealers.
It may have been a bit of a waste to choose it for my giveaway prize, but from what lore I've learned about I absolutely love the Death Guard and all I had before the combat patrol was a PBC and Blight Hauler so it's definitely helping me get a nice start for Death Guard as a second army
If you're just starting Death Guard the Combat Patrol is perfectly fine. It's bad if you're expanding a collection. You can make 3 more Plague Marines out of the spare parts on the Poxwalker but needs some green stuff and conversion work
Deathwatch player here, while the patrol box for us is vanilla-ish, I do not see it getting better given current price trends, and seeing we might get a quasi/soft refresh (most likely retiring the last of the firstborn range) im expecting the new one will be something like 2 x 5 primaris DW veterans + spectrus kill team + character(no idea which).
Sadly I doubt we'll be getting this even tis year. I started 40k in summer of 2023 with a Deathwatch army, I love them. I was worried about the first born models being replaced, but with us not even on the codex roadmap I think it's gonna be quite a while. So I just got my first born vets and chug along.
As a newcomer i think that a good Combat Patrol should have iconic cool stuff, some infantry, classic basic characters, some vehicle etc. The more indivudual units the better. I have choosen Sororitas and it's great and made me go "whoooa", so many unique units, variety, a cool rhino, a cool big penitent engine, some basic infantry, flying units, fast girls with swords, fast fucked up arcoflagelants and cool character. Variety is important. When i saw Thousand Sons one with 20 Tzangors i thought "it looks boring af" same with Death Guard, DG should have that small helicopter thingy instead of 10 poxwalkers and it would look much much cooler
The Thousand Sons one kind of suffers from TS being basically half an army. They were the initial experiment in making mono-god legions their own army, so GW didn't want to invest too heavily. Maybe they intended to release the other half of the army later. Which they never did, until years later when they finally got their terminators and a low effort "foot" hero. (World Eaters better hope they get THEIR second wave. Along with Leagues of Votann. Both are depressing right now.) So in this vein, Thousand Sons having their Combat Patrol padded with Tzaangors is a result of just not having many options. Especially since GW likely didn't want to include more Rubric Marines, since those were already in the Start Collecting box. What else were GW going to include, Chaos Spawn? What really grinds my gears is the Death Guard Combat Patrol, as you said. Unlike TS, DG were the antagonists from the 8th ed starter set. They had a HUGE push, including tons of new units. They could have included a bunch of different things in the Combat Patrol, like any of their Daemon Engines, or terminators, or _the other three Plague Marines._ Instead, All Pox Walkers All The Time.
the Deathwatch Combat Box is defo one of the worse but was perfect for me as I play UM painted as DW so the 2 upgrade sprues and the other 3 aggressors i needed for my Calgar where perfect. also helps that i got it 100% off as it was a gift from a friend.
The Space Marines combat patrol is literally just "New minis, the box." Like this wouldn't even get you anywhere. The termies are so so and infernus were just Dead on Arrival. Not to mention the stupid thing of having the terminator squad only getting the choice of the captain or the librarian.
Necron patrol box needs this one change and it would sell like hot cakes. Simply swap out the overlord for a Skorpek lord. Thats it. An impossibly hard to get model (since it was only sold in the indomitus box or royal court box) in exchange for one that has seen a reduction in on table usage and is sold currently in 2 flavors.
To be fair, the reason the Skorpek Lord is only seen in the Royal Court box is because it shares a sprue with those other models. They literally can't include it in the Combat Patrol unless they a) manually clip off those parts from the sprue (not gonna happen) or b) include the whole Royal Court (which, honestly, wouldn't be THAT bad).
My local store had the ultimate starter in for £93 - SM combat patrol was £72. So for an extra £21 you got the entirety of the nids combat patrol plus £52 (RRP) of scenery.
The sororitas box is missing. Doesn't even give you full units and the numbers of models are so weird that it doesn't even help to buy 2 boxes. Not to mention that the battle sisters are monopose. Easily the worst box of them all.
I bought the Blood Angels Combat Patrol, but I’m painting them blue for Ultramarines. Felt like a much better deal over the actual Ultramarines Combat Patrol.
The biggest Problem with the TS Combat patrol are the rules for it. you get a total of 3 ( +D3 with the default Enhancement) Cabal Points. and have rules for spending 2 or 6.
My main question for the DG CP is: why Typhus? No other CP comes with a named character, and it’s especially weird because the DG have plenty of other special characters they can use.
The death guard combat patrol is fine if you just want to add in some extra units to the army, but it is not good if you wanna start death guard. If anything, heres what i would like to see if they do a different set. X10 plague marines X1 lord of contagion X2 foetid bloat drones X1 malignant plaguecaster
Interestingly the Deathwatch box is a perfect one-off buy for me, I'm in need of an apothecary, aggressors, and intercessors which seems to be a rarity with SM players lol. Could be the fact that i want a good 15k points for my successor chapter collection though, lol
In Germany you can get the SM & Nids CP with 20% off from 3rd party retailors for 100 Euro vs. the GW price of 125 Euro but they still are worse than buying and (maybe) splitting the (Ultimate) Starter Set. Discounted 121,2 Euro for Set+Kits or 128 Euro for Ultimate vs. 151,5 or 160 Euro for the stuff from GW. With a budget of 200 Euro for two children that's roughly 70-80 Euro newcomers could use for 1-2 cans from Colour Forge (~26 Euro), a GW paint set (~32 Euro) and some brushes (~3-5 Army Painter ones e.g.) or extra paints like Retributor Armour for a shiny gold.
The old Astra Militatrum "Start Collecting" was great. I got three to start off my new Guard army. I got a couple of the Tempestus Scions "Start Collecting" too. I do have a number of plastic commissars. The only "Combat Patrol" I've bought was the Deathwatch. Still sealed in my pile. I like Aggressors and the Characters. They're for a homebrew Chapter so I'll likely resell the DW extras.
I use my typhus all the time …escorting DST.. Putrifier with PM is solid in 10 .. plague marines are strong if you back them double leader .. pox walkers are what they are .. screening and obsec.. I would buy two if I could have two typhus in an army.. combat patrol gameplay DG is solid .. deep strike typhus with pox bodyguard.. solid
In defense of the DW patrol, I wanted the models for my marine army, and some of the models and DW upgrades for putting together a truescale DW kill team for the game Kill Team at some point in the future. And I wanted both the apothecary and that particular lieutenant, both of which were out of stonk on their own. So for me was okay value.
Should be noted on the plus side for the Admech combat patrol, the best selling box set ever for admech was the "Talons of the Omnissiah" battleforce box. And that box was basically the combat patrol for plus a ironstrider and 5 sicarians. When that box went live, it was bought out almost immediately and ended up on ebay for like $300 at the time. But that was because everything in that box was either good or auto include and got you like 500 or some points compared to how cheap admech is now. Personally, I'd have the combat patrol have each unit (and the manipulus) be good and be worth 100 points each and that would at least get 400 points for the box and be generally a lot more reasonable. Or alternatively, bring back the Admech boarding patrol and throw in a marshal and have that be the new combat patrol.
It's really frustrating that GW keeps treating AdMech like a horde army. When they SHOULD be closer to an elite army. Make the whole army more durable, make their guns hit harder, maybe hand out more substantial buffs to character models. Or make it so more of AdMech's mechanics work with fewer arbitrary strings attached and hoops to jump through. You know, like most other armies get. Most other armies, their special buffs _just work._ Any that makes the army stronger, so the points values can be jacked up to match. That way new players aren't paying an arm and a leg to get into the faction.
Just yesterday got the custodes box from flgs. Been looking at it every time in the corner for months now-your best combat patrols video helped me pull the trigger before it gets replaced.
I'm 99% sure the Death watch box was less about what fits the lore and really just about what's cost effective without updating the upgrade sprue. Can't go too hard on Gravis as any more than 4 means adding another sprue so we end up with a box that isn't bad but for the price is just a kinda dud.
I feel i have to disagree on the Deathwatch box. While as a multiple purchase (more than 2), it's a tad lack luster, if you combine it with other combat patrols, the value goes up quite a bit.
The silly thing with the Deathwatch one is, the actual Deathwatch box is lame, but every other Space Marine Combat Patrol box is a Deathwatch one in waiting: it just doesn't know it yet. 😁
The plague marine for people who like the death guard and using lot of poxwalkers for tactic's. This is not a bad kit but is limited for what you get for money worth . At the very least if you did buy 2 or 3 of these boxes . Like i did buying 3 CSM combat patrol for a quick 2k point army . At the veryleast Typhus you could use them with plague marine parts to make a chaos lord . Now if the Death guard plaguemarine kit for a squad come in group of 10 as for people not need to spend more money .
I really enjoy these reviews of combat patrols, but what would be really interesting to me would be comparing them in the frame of playing combat patrol rather than for someone wanting to play full 40K. I imagine it would be difficult, because how "good" something is can be based on rolls in game and they all cost the same. Maybe no one else cares but i would find it interesting.
The Vanguard Task Force is either the best or worst 10th edition combat patrol depending on where you got it - it's now an official combat patrol as rules just released in White Dwarf - while this is £85 (dear god I think GW actually reduced the price on that!) It's direct-only which makes it terrible value anyway and is basically the old Space Marine Combat patrol minus the impulsor - but what makes it worse is the actual rules include a Phobos Librarian too which needs to be bought separately. If you were lucky enough to get the old Combat Patrol though it's pretty decent, and it's insane value if you collected Imperium Magazine last year as even including the Librarian it cost a total of 4 issues, which was £35.96.
Been considering a combat patrol to get started since some look cool and I'd like to try. But then every single faction I'm interested in is on here lmao Guard, AdMech, Death Guard, and Thousand Suns. The latter two I was already a bit against since I wasn't interested in all the demons that felt a bit filler-y, but it is sad that most of the factions I'm into seem to be Not Great deals for these packs
knowing these boxes migh chance once the codex drops I do wanna say with a little kit bashing you can get 3 free death guard models from the 3 pox walker sprues since they are re-using the starter set sprue from 8th edition from them. the plague marine sprues got the bits to make 3 full marines of the bits on the pox walker sprue.
as a serious deathwatch collector the dw combat patrol is pretty balls. no army specific units is a little insulting. ive started a crimson fists army using guys from this box and putting the upgrades on units i actually want
Death Guard needs 10 marines in the box at minimum. Some Terminators, since it fits the style of tanky shit. The Biologist can stay. Maybe give a Lord of Virulence or Lord of Contagion instead of Typhus. A blight Hauler or drone for something different, and a bit more of the mechanical side.
I honestly like the Guard combat patrol. It has no tanks, but most Militarum vehicles are very good as far as points per dollar. If they had tanks in that one, the usefulness of the value of those tanks would ironically go down. The combat patrol is best for getting everything else you'll need at a discount.
We are all evaluating Combat Patrol boxes for their savings value and relvance to a new collector. If we instead evaluate them in the context of effectiveness for GW’s “Combat Patrol” game format, does this change the thinking at all?
I know it’s not his fault, but can AT make a Worst video where Deathwatch isn’t front and center on the thumbnail? I just feel bad for my little silver shoulder guys…
The guard box is annoying because a) cadians and b) basic guard infantry is so often used as box chaff in bundles. It does, however, give you a balanced force if you genuinely need everything and want to go to a game tomorrow. Swapping one squad of cadians for a chimera and a commissar would put it into "about right" territory imo. (Regiment agnostic and useful collection filler) Similarly I'd rate the nids box even lower because you are going to have termagants thrown at you by the bucket load in nid bundles. (The 40k starter set is great value despite the filler termagants because the winged prime, psychophage and 3 leapers are new to edition kits)
If deathguard came with 1 or 2 sets of 10 plague marines GW could have their cake and eat it. Something the community wants without having to do too much work on their end.
The pricing difference in the Tyranid boxes is ridiculous. Most stores still have a decent amount of Leviathan and both Starter boxes too. I went ahead and bought the simple starter and I’ll just give the blue boys to my friend. I could’ve spent $50 more for…less plastic…why? Very goofy.
The thousand sons would be decent if 10 of the tzaangors were swapped with rubrics. GW cant just give 5 because of how the sprue is built- but at that point i would say its probably a buy 2.
The Thousand Sons Combat Patrol was so bad that it actually spent an extended amount of time being $90 on Amazon, and I think sellers were still struggling to move them.
I'd say the orks are terrible based on what kind of units you get. Character can't join anything, the orks boyz are fairly terrible and restricted kit with the only upside being 2x10 man. The Deff Dread is not worth the points at all and the Deffkoptas is the only saving grace for them. It may save you a lot of money for some random units, but it's all over the place, no synergy and that's all I can say about it. Only worth buying once or maybe twice, if you want a stack of boys, two terrible Deff dreads, but cheap koptas.
One thing I will say for the Death Guard box is that it is kind of cool to get named character with what is essentially the starter set. I think they're the only ones that do that.
Fun fact, deathwatch combat patrol was not the worst for me cause i payed 35 euros for it. ^^ And sold the 2 upgrades for 10 euros on ebay. O.o So 25 euros for all the minis ... beat that.
I feel the new necron one was pretty horrible and really disappointing. Almost no discount and miniatures u can get cheaper in the 9th edition boxes u can still easily find
I don't understand why GW keeps doing the Tyranids dirty. Are they still paying for their sins in 9th? Especially since they are the big bad again and have some GREAT new sculpts. They're just... not worth fielding ( I'm looking at you, Screamer Killer).
As a newish player, the Chaptered SM patrols are lame since they basically only contain generic SM units, the point of playing chaptered is to use chapter specific units... put bloodclaws or wulfen in the wolves box instead of intercessors... thunder wolves or venerable dreas instead of the dread... the options are there
It’s cheaper to buy the starter box and add the librarian for the 10th edition space marines combat patrol…….that has to be either an oversight or gw thinking they can get away with ripping their customers off with those boxes, brought two starter boxes and now have enough to play a 1000pts game with my kid, no way would I even consider buying anything else after the price increases especially in Australia where a lot of their products are pushing $300……some of these are singular models too, it’s just not worth the price anymore and GW’s business model has killed the hobby for me personally.
The death guard one is terrible especially if you collected the conquest magazine the thousand sons should have had marines instead of age of sigmar figures the imperial guard one suffers from being released shortly after the release box same contents no book should have changed the artillery for hvy weapons the deathwatch just seems to be how can we use a upgrade sprue to sell marines
Deathwatch's combat patrol is actually less useful than a standard, non chapter specific boxset. The fact they haven't updated it after all these years is just sad.
it isn't so much that the AdMech box is bad, as the ENTIRE faction is problematic in terms of monetary costs. I don't know why GW hates AdMech players in particular. The TSons box is just outright stupid, it's just a 3D printable generic demon box. The Tyranid box is just GW hoping we had forgotten about the Starter box.
So dumb the admech on just came out and it was a disappointment even before release, not even the new scatros sniper is in it. Not that he’s any better, but wouldn’t hurt
it's insane ad mech is in literally the worst position of all time always, what the fuck did we do
we didnt apease gw's voxcast team
GW hates AdMech just for existing
Omnissiah save us all
Right now, the rules team is being lead by Thanos. The Admech and Dark Angels Codexes were built by someone that wants half of the factions dead. Now every faction will wonder: More of the AdMech codex builder, or more of the Necrons?
I feel like they’re scheming. First Ad Mech getting the shitty Combat Patrol twice in a row, as well as having an overpriced army. Now DA have sword heavy units with -1 AP swords. Maybe they’re going to push out a vastly superior army to encourage people to buy a whole new army rather than buy a few new models for old armies or something?
If Kroot are released broken, I’m gonna pretend my tinfoil theory is right
The admech one wouldn't be worth it points wise if they doubled the number of models. Not to mention that the old box had some very usable units. Good thing that one is still around.
Literally going through the rules and like…they’re imperium so they can ally knights right? This should be huge for them. The enginseer literally can’t have anything to do with it because it has to be an ad mech vehicle for any of his abilities to work….
@@giantninja9173 all they have to do is give us Knight of the Cog back, but noooooooo
Ah yes, the army that can average at _more_ than $1 per point. Of course Games Workshop have a plan for them and won't let them keep struggling until 11th edition.
Amdec is just a classic example of game design not acknowledging lore or production.
Their stats should be probably between sisters and space marines lore wise. Much closer to sisters for sure but that would be a much better points to dollar rate.
There is not reason they should be a hoard army. There's just someone on the rules team who's really attached to the old-school idea of admec where they were pretty much just a guard regiment. The kits don't support that at all and the lore has surpassed that too having them be practically transhuman.
Auspex you put out so much content this feels ridiculously cheeky to ask, but have you considered doing one about the actual in-game merits of the combat patrols in the combat patrol game mode itself?
I bought the Death Watch Combat Patrol during 9 ed, and it was very good for my Salamanders. Lore-wise, since any member of DW that returns to their original chapter gets to keep their DW shoulder pauldron, I used them on my intercessors to add flavor to my army. It always sparks a conversation when they are on the board!
That’s actually a really cool idea. I just flat avoid them as I didn’t want a DW army and didn’t even think of them returning to their legion.
I bought them to fill out my new Dark Angel army. Also been adding the pauldron to a few guys for a bit of flavor.
As long as we don't get the new, PROPER plague marine kit, the Death Guard combat patrol can never be anything other than a disaster.
This is the only proper 10 plague marine kit. I have one; there are enough full pieces that require a little trim and fit.
Boarding patrol "fixed" that by adding extra 3 guys on sprue. Too bad they picked arguably the worst, there is another (from First Strike box) with sergeant (with plasma backpack), Blight Launcher and Bolter, much more useful if you want build 2 squads of 5.
I don’t get why they’re in 7’s. Is it because that’s Nurgle’s number? Why not just balance them around being in 7’s? It’s such a headache decision on GW’s part
@@cadettrev762it is a big mess. They kept a lot of the models from dark imperium so they decided to make the plague marines around the pox walker kit. Probably just an oversight you need to model a few extra bits with green stuff to get the full ten.
7 does almost work but not with the combat patrol. If you don’t want poxwalkers getting three boxes of 7 gets you 21 and you can just kit bash the last guy into a deathguard chaos lord that actually looks like a deathguard and not a black legionary.
@cadettrev762 its literally just because that was how many of them fit on a signle sprue in 8th starter.
Imagine having your mainline iconic troop be a mangled sprue from a started box. This is ridiculous.
The most hilarious thing is still Age of Sigmar. The 3E starter is still $120 most places, with two starter armies and rulebook. The "Vanguards", (Combat patrol) of the two factions have stripped down versions of their half of the big box, but for $140
I got a Leviathan and Genestealer Cult box based on your recommendations on where to buy them, and saved a great amount. Getting the actual Leviathan box with the full amount of miniatures and the Hardback book. Thank you for the recommendation and your videos in general. Great place first getting my 40k news :D
Dark angels are just lucky their new one isn’t out yet or it would be on this list
True lmao. I can't say I really _hate_ any of the models individually, but it's such a downgrade from getting a Chaplain and a Redemptor. The only models I remotely even care about are the Hellblasters and the Bladeguard, but I could just buy those separately, save some money, and end up with another five Hellblasters on top of that, rather than a bunch of Intercessors and a Captain I'll never use. They're not terrible as models go, but they're certainly not very useful from a "is this a good pick for my army" standpoint.
Eh, I always felt like the 10e box was set up to fail unless if GW gave it a Dreadnought again. So not much use could have been done there.
@@luckysevenow1872it does feel like a lot of the Space Marine patrol values are based on both the intercessor and character tax. The Blood Angels one would be amazing now if it came with say 10 infiltrators/incursors instead of 5 plus some intercessors.
@@sonicwingnut Tbh so many of GW's decisions regarding box sets seem less like they're thinking "okay what are some good thematic picks for X faction" and more like "how can we get rid of all these extra minis we haven't sold cause' no one wants them".
I fail to see why they'd take the Impulsor out of the old Space Marine Combat Patrol and re-sell it _again_ as the Vanguard Task Force otherwise.
It's like they made 10x more Intercessor and Shadowspear sprues than they actually needed, and have just been trying to sell us the same shit in different packages ever since in an attempt to get rid of them.
As a DA player, I immediately picked up another combat patrol before they get shitcanned for the new one.
I wondered how far up Thousand Sons were, I will never understand the Tzaangors.
Custodes have sisters, Space Marines have scouts, Death Guard have poxwalkers, Thousand Sons get cannon fodder too
Edit: Aside from Cultists I mean
@@Akimbo411 I understand fodder, I think Chaos IG would do it better.
@@Akimbo411I wish the sisters had more power behind them. They're so bad ass in the lore. Shame to see them reduced to objective monkeys.
They spent 150k on a mould and they want their ROI
I miss the start collecting boxes. Price didn't feel as bad as committing to a combat patrol and they had nice stuff in em. I got 2 of them and would probably have got 3-4 more different ones if they still sold them.
Agreed. The Start Collecting boxes felt less bad buying. It seemed like a more obvious way to get new players into an army.
(Plus, several of the old Start Collecting boxes were had as much or _better_ value as the Combat Patrols that replaced them. It was a price hike, plain and simple.)
On the Deatbguard combat patrol. You actually get the body and backpack of a plague marine in each pox walker sprue so theoretically if you use the extra chest arms and heads you can make a plague marine out of each pox walker sprue meaning that if you find some extra bases you can round out a squad of ten out of the box
Can’t wait for GW to somehow come up with worse versions of these in the future 🤣
I trust at least 1k sons, death guard and sororitas to be better. Not that it would be much of a challenge.
GW: "Challenge accepted" 😅
I see it coming... New space wolf combat patrol.
2 Firestrike turrets 150p
10 reivers 170p
5 assault intercessors 80p
1 terminator captain 95p
Total 495p great combat patrol🤯
The new tyranid and space marine ones just did
Hey, at least you came up with a decent joke. Most people just cry. The thing with 40k is that it always changes. Balance data slates, new codexes, new editions. Anyone who cries about change needs to have a visit with Tzeentch. Pathetic children, the whole lot of them.
Looking at Death Guard and 1KSons patrols has my brain whirring trying to think about how they can screw up the Emperor's Children box
Hopefully it’ll be decent like the World eaters.
I imagine it’s going to be something like
10 demonettes of slannesh
10 noise marines
New HQ (perhaps Lucious)
And 5 EC terminators
@@berry1666 probably not Lucius, there aren't named characters in any other combat patrol are there?
@@saltytattie833 typhus in the death guard box and ahriman was in the previous start collecting box. So maybe, probably not but maybe.
The sisters box really needs full kits. Scrap the partial repentia and arcos, give a full box of everything else, then throw in a squad of sacresancts or retributors to cover for the loss of the melee units.
2 mortifiers, 5 specials, 5 jetpack girls, 10 battle sisters, a canoness, and the rhino would be significantly better to start an army with.
The problem with doing a sisters combat patrol, though, is that in order to get around 500 points, you end up with around $300 worth of kits.
Which is why I suspect that if we get a new one, it's going to have either an Exorcist or Paragon suits in it to bring down the discount, with my money on Paragons.
Sisters is the only Combat Patrol that I'm looking forward to being replaced
I hate the nids one. It’s bad in the combat patrol game mode and is just redundant if you got leviathan box. This probably also applies to the space marines, but I don’t play them.
I've always loved when Combat Patrols compliment the big release box or at the very least shore up deficiencies. It's definitely less valuable when I come away feeling like I'm just being offered redundancy.
nobody is forcing you to buy it if you already of the minis?
Marines is worse. At least the Tyranids getting a whole bunch of redundant models is sort of in-character for the faction. Space Marines get 2 characters twice with both, and just getting the Infernus Marines and Terminators by themselves would probably be ~$60 cheaper than buying the Combat Patrol box.
@@YouWinAFREEiPOD exactly! And Nids got so many new kits that would really benefit being part of a combat patrol box. Outside of the extremely limited Christmas boxes, there is not a good way to get genestealers and hormagaunts except buying them individually.
@@TauEnjoyer yes but the problem is that there are a lot of other tyranid minis that would love to be in a discount box, like hormaguants and genestealers.
It may have been a bit of a waste to choose it for my giveaway prize, but from what lore I've learned about I absolutely love the Death Guard and all I had before the combat patrol was a PBC and Blight Hauler so it's definitely helping me get a nice start for Death Guard as a second army
If you're just starting Death Guard the Combat Patrol is perfectly fine. It's bad if you're expanding a collection.
You can make 3 more Plague Marines out of the spare parts on the Poxwalker but needs some green stuff and conversion work
Deathwatch player here, while the patrol box for us is vanilla-ish, I do not see it getting better given current price trends, and seeing we might get a quasi/soft refresh (most likely retiring the last of the firstborn range) im expecting the new one will be something like 2 x 5 primaris DW veterans + spectrus kill team + character(no idea which).
Sadly I doubt we'll be getting this even tis year. I started 40k in summer of 2023 with a Deathwatch army, I love them. I was worried about the first born models being replaced, but with us not even on the codex roadmap I think it's gonna be quite a while. So I just got my first born vets and chug along.
What I'm getting from this and your top 5 vid is that the Sororitas CP is "eh"
well the porblem in my eyes with sob cp is the increments of units are not usable once you upgrade,3 flags and 1 engine are weird
As a newcomer i think that a good Combat Patrol should have iconic cool stuff, some infantry, classic basic characters, some vehicle etc.
The more indivudual units the better.
I have choosen Sororitas and it's great and made me go "whoooa", so many unique units, variety, a cool rhino, a cool big penitent engine, some basic infantry, flying units, fast girls with swords, fast fucked up arcoflagelants and cool character.
Variety is important.
When i saw Thousand Sons one with 20 Tzangors i thought "it looks boring af" same with Death Guard, DG should have that small helicopter thingy instead of 10 poxwalkers and it would look much much cooler
The Thousand Sons one kind of suffers from TS being basically half an army. They were the initial experiment in making mono-god legions their own army, so GW didn't want to invest too heavily. Maybe they intended to release the other half of the army later. Which they never did, until years later when they finally got their terminators and a low effort "foot" hero.
(World Eaters better hope they get THEIR second wave. Along with Leagues of Votann. Both are depressing right now.)
So in this vein, Thousand Sons having their Combat Patrol padded with Tzaangors is a result of just not having many options. Especially since GW likely didn't want to include more Rubric Marines, since those were already in the Start Collecting box. What else were GW going to include, Chaos Spawn?
What really grinds my gears is the Death Guard Combat Patrol, as you said. Unlike TS, DG were the antagonists from the 8th ed starter set. They had a HUGE push, including tons of new units. They could have included a bunch of different things in the Combat Patrol, like any of their Daemon Engines, or terminators, or _the other three Plague Marines._
Instead, All Pox Walkers All The Time.
the Deathwatch Combat Box is defo one of the worse but was perfect for me as I play UM painted as DW so the 2 upgrade sprues and the other 3 aggressors i needed for my Calgar where perfect. also helps that i got it 100% off as it was a gift from a friend.
I think an honorable mention should be the demons one, as it only has Khorne demons, leaving people who want Slaanesh, Tzeentch, or Nurgle left out
Completely agree. They have such a best opportunity to either release 4 one for each Demon or 1 healthy mix. Or 5 sets 1 for each sect and 1 blend.
The Space Marines combat patrol is literally just "New minis, the box." Like this wouldn't even get you anywhere. The termies are so so and infernus were just Dead on Arrival. Not to mention the stupid thing of having the terminator squad only getting the choice of the captain or the librarian.
Necron patrol box needs this one change and it would sell like hot cakes. Simply swap out the overlord for a Skorpek lord. Thats it. An impossibly hard to get model (since it was only sold in the indomitus box or royal court box) in exchange for one that has seen a reduction in on table usage and is sold currently in 2 flavors.
To be fair, the reason the Skorpek Lord is only seen in the Royal Court box is because it shares a sprue with those other models. They literally can't include it in the Combat Patrol unless they a) manually clip off those parts from the sprue (not gonna happen) or b) include the whole Royal Court (which, honestly, wouldn't be THAT bad).
I think my ideal space marine combat patrol is an impulsor, 10 infiltrators, 3 eliminators, 3 suppressors and a phobos lieutenant.
Hey that sounds familiar....
Totally agree about the Nids and space marines.. buy the starter box .. add a few characters and you have a competitive list
My local store had the ultimate starter in for £93 - SM combat patrol was £72. So for an extra £21 you got the entirety of the nids combat patrol plus £52 (RRP) of scenery.
The old Dark Angels one is sold out all of a sudden at my local store; people like it more than the new one.
With some of these, it's so obvious that someone said "what it is the least we can give them and still call it the start of an army?".
The sororitas box is missing. Doesn't even give you full units and the numbers of models are so weird that it doesn't even help to buy 2 boxes. Not to mention that the battle sisters are monopose.
Easily the worst box of them all.
I bought the Blood Angels Combat Patrol, but I’m painting them blue for Ultramarines. Felt like a much better deal over the actual Ultramarines Combat Patrol.
So all the new ones. Got it.
I had a games work shop employee PUSHING that Deathwatch box onto me lol. They want to get rid of that one
I really wish Deathwatch had been a FB combat patrol. (2) Veteran box, Corvus, watch master
The biggest Problem with the TS Combat patrol are the rules for it. you get a total of 3 ( +D3 with the default Enhancement) Cabal Points. and have rules for spending 2 or 6.
My main question for the DG CP is: why Typhus? No other CP comes with a named character, and it’s especially weird because the DG have plenty of other special characters they can use.
The death guard combat patrol is fine if you just want to add in some extra units to the army, but it is not good if you wanna start death guard. If anything, heres what i would like to see if they do a different set.
X10 plague marines
X1 lord of contagion
X2 foetid bloat drones
X1 malignant plaguecaster
I would change a bloat drone to one myphtic blight haulers. Since DG need a bit Long range firepower.
Interestingly the Deathwatch box is a perfect one-off buy for me, I'm in need of an apothecary, aggressors, and intercessors which seems to be a rarity with SM players lol.
Could be the fact that i want a good 15k points for my successor chapter collection though, lol
i'd love to see a new deathguard patrol with 2x7 marines, 3x deathshroud and a new deathguard-specific-termi-sorcerer
In Germany you can get the SM & Nids CP with 20% off from 3rd party retailors for 100 Euro vs. the GW price of 125 Euro but they still are worse than buying and (maybe) splitting the (Ultimate) Starter Set.
Discounted 121,2 Euro for Set+Kits or 128 Euro for Ultimate vs. 151,5 or 160 Euro for the stuff from GW. With a budget of 200 Euro for two children that's roughly 70-80 Euro newcomers could use for 1-2 cans from Colour Forge (~26 Euro), a GW paint set (~32 Euro) and some brushes (~3-5 Army Painter ones e.g.) or extra paints like Retributor Armour for a shiny gold.
The combat patrol boxes which dont give you enough points to play combat patrol...
The old Astra Militatrum "Start Collecting" was great. I got three to start off my new Guard army.
I got a couple of the Tempestus Scions "Start Collecting" too.
I do have a number of plastic commissars.
The only "Combat Patrol" I've bought was the Deathwatch. Still sealed in my pile.
I like Aggressors and the Characters. They're for a homebrew Chapter so I'll likely resell the DW extras.
I use my typhus all the time …escorting DST.. Putrifier with PM is solid in 10 .. plague marines are strong if you back them double leader .. pox walkers are what they are .. screening and obsec.. I would buy two if I could have two typhus in an army.. combat patrol gameplay DG is solid .. deep strike typhus with pox bodyguard.. solid
poor, poor admech.
Lmao 😂
Pain
In defense of the DW patrol, I wanted the models for my marine army, and some of the models and DW upgrades for putting together a truescale DW kill team for the game Kill Team at some point in the future. And I wanted both the apothecary and that particular lieutenant, both of which were out of stonk on their own. So for me was okay value.
Should be noted on the plus side for the Admech combat patrol, the best selling box set ever for admech was the "Talons of the Omnissiah" battleforce box. And that box was basically the combat patrol for plus a ironstrider and 5 sicarians. When that box went live, it was bought out almost immediately and ended up on ebay for like $300 at the time. But that was because everything in that box was either good or auto include and got you like 500 or some points compared to how cheap admech is now.
Personally, I'd have the combat patrol have each unit (and the manipulus) be good and be worth 100 points each and that would at least get 400 points for the box and be generally a lot more reasonable.
Or alternatively, bring back the Admech boarding patrol and throw in a marshal and have that be the new combat patrol.
Crazy that the boarding patrol (value box) is better then the new combat patrol
It's really frustrating that GW keeps treating AdMech like a horde army. When they SHOULD be closer to an elite army. Make the whole army more durable, make their guns hit harder, maybe hand out more substantial buffs to character models.
Or make it so more of AdMech's mechanics work with fewer arbitrary strings attached and hoops to jump through. You know, like most other armies get. Most other armies, their special buffs _just work._
Any that makes the army stronger, so the points values can be jacked up to match. That way new players aren't paying an arm and a leg to get into the faction.
the only savings for the necron combat patrol is for the overlord and while it's not bad you'r stuck with arrow and blade
Just yesterday got the custodes box from flgs. Been looking at it every time in the corner for months now-your best combat patrols video helped me pull the trigger before it gets replaced.
I'm 99% sure the Death watch box was less about what fits the lore and really just about what's cost effective without updating the upgrade sprue. Can't go too hard on Gravis as any more than 4 means adding another sprue so we end up with a box that isn't bad but for the price is just a kinda dud.
I feel i have to disagree on the Deathwatch box. While as a multiple purchase (more than 2), it's a tad lack luster, if you combine it with other combat patrols, the value goes up quite a bit.
The silly thing with the Deathwatch one is, the actual Deathwatch box is lame, but every other Space Marine Combat Patrol box is a Deathwatch one in waiting: it just doesn't know it yet. 😁
The plague marine for people who like the death guard and using lot of poxwalkers for tactic's. This is not a bad kit but is limited for what you get for money worth . At the very least if you did buy 2 or 3 of these boxes . Like i did buying 3 CSM combat patrol for a quick 2k point army . At the veryleast Typhus you could use them with plague marine parts to make a chaos lord . Now if the Death guard plaguemarine kit for a squad come in group of 10 as for people not need to spend more money .
I really enjoy these reviews of combat patrols, but what would be really interesting to me would be comparing them in the frame of playing combat patrol rather than for someone wanting to play full 40K. I imagine it would be difficult, because how "good" something is can be based on rolls in game and they all cost the same. Maybe no one else cares but i would find it interesting.
The Vanguard Task Force is either the best or worst 10th edition combat patrol depending on where you got it - it's now an official combat patrol as rules just released in White Dwarf - while this is £85 (dear god I think GW actually reduced the price on that!) It's direct-only which makes it terrible value anyway and is basically the old Space Marine Combat patrol minus the impulsor - but what makes it worse is the actual rules include a Phobos Librarian too which needs to be bought separately.
If you were lucky enough to get the old Combat Patrol though it's pretty decent, and it's insane value if you collected Imperium Magazine last year as even including the Librarian it cost a total of 4 issues, which was £35.96.
Been considering a combat patrol to get started since some look cool and I'd like to try. But then every single faction I'm interested in is on here lmao
Guard, AdMech, Death Guard, and Thousand Suns. The latter two I was already a bit against since I wasn't interested in all the demons that felt a bit filler-y, but it is sad that most of the factions I'm into seem to be Not Great deals for these packs
The Necrons one is actually pretty strong as for the Combat Patrol game mode. Would love to see a list there.
knowing these boxes migh chance once the codex drops I do wanna say with a little kit bashing you can get 3 free death guard models from the 3 pox walker sprues since they are re-using the starter set sprue from 8th edition from them. the plague marine sprues got the bits to make 3 full marines of the bits on the pox walker sprue.
Ngl I absolutely love the dg combat patrol it’s just such a goofy box
as a serious deathwatch collector the dw combat patrol is pretty balls. no army specific units is a little insulting. ive started a crimson fists army using guys from this box and putting the upgrades on units i actually want
Death Guard needs 10 marines in the box at minimum. Some Terminators, since it fits the style of tanky shit. The Biologist can stay. Maybe give a Lord of Virulence or Lord of Contagion instead of Typhus. A blight Hauler or drone for something different, and a bit more of the mechanical side.
Did I miss the discussion on the daemons combat patrol that was all Khorne that then boarding party that doubled down on more Khorne daemons?
Remember old Start Collecting boxes? 65e with 50% value?
I honestly like the Guard combat patrol. It has no tanks, but most Militarum vehicles are very good as far as points per dollar. If they had tanks in that one, the usefulness of the value of those tanks would ironically go down.
The combat patrol is best for getting everything else you'll need at a discount.
what I really dont understand is why the space wolfs box dosnt come with their own dread... they cost the same.
We are all evaluating Combat Patrol boxes for their savings value and relvance to a new collector. If we instead evaluate them in the context of effectiveness for GW’s “Combat Patrol” game format, does this change the thinking at all?
I know it’s not his fault, but can AT make a Worst video where Deathwatch isn’t front and center on the thumbnail? I just feel bad for my little silver shoulder guys…
If GW exchanged 10 tzaangor with 10 rubrics the Tsons combat patrol could be a great great deal for someone starting out
The guard box is annoying because a) cadians and b) basic guard infantry is so often used as box chaff in bundles. It does, however, give you a balanced force if you genuinely need everything and want to go to a game tomorrow. Swapping one squad of cadians for a chimera and a commissar would put it into "about right" territory imo. (Regiment agnostic and useful collection filler)
Similarly I'd rate the nids box even lower because you are going to have termagants thrown at you by the bucket load in nid bundles. (The 40k starter set is great value despite the filler termagants because the winged prime, psychophage and 3 leapers are new to edition kits)
Should probably rename this “Top 5 combat controls that won’t get replaced”
If deathguard came with 1 or 2 sets of 10 plague marines GW could have their cake and eat it. Something the community wants without having to do too much work on their end.
The pricing difference in the Tyranid boxes is ridiculous. Most stores still have a decent amount of Leviathan and both Starter boxes too.
I went ahead and bought the simple starter and I’ll just give the blue boys to my friend.
I could’ve spent $50 more for…less plastic…why?
Very goofy.
The thousand sons would be decent if 10 of the tzaangors were swapped with rubrics.
GW cant just give 5 because of how the sprue is built- but at that point i would say its probably a buy 2.
sisters box should be there aswell, mono pose weird, unit comps, zephrim only got pistols, absolute worst
This is the video my budget needs.
I'm glad I picked World Eaters now.
The Thousand Sons Combat Patrol was so bad that it actually spent an extended amount of time being $90 on Amazon, and I think sellers were still struggling to move them.
I'd say the orks are terrible based on what kind of units you get. Character can't join anything, the orks boyz are fairly terrible and restricted kit with the only upside being 2x10 man. The Deff Dread is not worth the points at all and the Deffkoptas is the only saving grace for them. It may save you a lot of money for some random units, but it's all over the place, no synergy and that's all I can say about it. Only worth buying once or maybe twice, if you want a stack of boys, two terrible Deff dreads, but cheap koptas.
Those space marine and tyranid boxes are so dreadful
Was this video inspired by the new Dark Angels Combat Patrol box?
Can we add to the list the leaked DA combat patrol?
3 of them on the list are recent additions... the future doesn't bode well
One thing I will say for the Death Guard box is that it is kind of cool to get named character with what is essentially the starter set. I think they're the only ones that do that.
World eaters have lord invocatus or juggerlord depending who you build
Also it’s Typhus….he’s the best & the Biologus is real strong for DG right now.
Fun fact, deathwatch combat patrol was not the worst for me cause i payed 35 euros for it. ^^ And sold the 2 upgrades for 10 euros on ebay. O.o So 25 euros for all the minis ... beat that.
I feel the new necron one was pretty horrible and really disappointing. Almost no discount and miniatures u can get cheaper in the 9th edition boxes u can still easily find
New Deathwatch combat patrol should be primarised captain Artemis, 10 veterans, 5 terminators, corvus blackstar and 2 upgrade sprue.
I don't understand why GW keeps doing the Tyranids dirty. Are they still paying for their sins in 9th? Especially since they are the big bad again and have some GREAT new sculpts. They're just... not worth fielding ( I'm looking at you, Screamer Killer).
As a newish player, the Chaptered SM patrols are lame since they basically only contain generic SM units, the point of playing chaptered is to use chapter specific units... put bloodclaws or wulfen in the wolves box instead of intercessors... thunder wolves or venerable dreas instead of the dread... the options are there
Funnily enough I actually have both a thousand sons army and a death guard that i made without the combat patrols
"Most people would feel like this is a bit of a cop out" - Auspex Tactics. Oh how the mighty have fallen to clickbait
I managed to pick up the Thousand Sons combat patrol for £60 yesterday so I can't complain 😂
There's no sprue for 5 rubrics. It's 10 half rubrics or 10 other half rubrics.
The day GW makes a Space Marine box set without 5 or 10 intercessors, prepare for Armageddon
Haven’t finished but wonder if admech ended up on here lol
Admech tends to make every "Top X worst ____" lists
Yeah they're just so expensive. One model has a 0.75 points-to-dollars ratio
It’s cheaper to buy the starter box and add the librarian for the 10th edition space marines combat patrol…….that has to be either an oversight or gw thinking they can get away with ripping their customers off with those boxes, brought two starter boxes and now have enough to play a 1000pts game with my kid, no way would I even consider buying anything else after the price increases especially in Australia where a lot of their products are pushing $300……some of these are singular models too, it’s just not worth the price anymore and GW’s business model has killed the hobby for me personally.
Awesome 2(3) of 5 were new combat patrols. And all new combat patrols were mentioned in this video. 😂
The death guard one is terrible especially if you collected the conquest magazine the thousand sons should have had marines instead of age of sigmar figures the imperial guard one suffers from being released shortly after the release box same contents no book should have changed the artillery for hvy weapons the deathwatch just seems to be how can we use a upgrade sprue to sell marines
BA combat patrol is horrid for BA. I suppose its ok for non-ba, though. Hopefully they get a new combat patrol if/when they get a range refresh.
At least you can play the death guard this edition, I still don't understand how they fucked that up in 9th.
Deathwatch's combat patrol is actually less useful than a standard, non chapter specific boxset. The fact they haven't updated it after all these years is just sad.
Best Value video next?
it isn't so much that the AdMech box is bad, as the ENTIRE faction is problematic in terms of monetary costs. I don't know why GW hates AdMech players in particular. The TSons box is just outright stupid, it's just a 3D printable generic demon box. The Tyranid box is just GW hoping we had forgotten about the Starter box.
So dumb the admech on just came out and it was a disappointment even before release, not even the new scatros sniper is in it. Not that he’s any better, but wouldn’t hurt