Thank you so much for making this video! This is so incredibly helpful! I have been feeling overwhelmed with all the things I've been needing to get done and finding it hard to find a system that can help my brain keep track of them all and figure out where to start! It's easy to get lost in the long list of to-dos and feel stuck from the start, let alone getting lost in all the possible systems, methods, and types of planners out there. When I'm already overwhelmed it's easy for me to get lost in the weeds. I think this method makes so much sense and will help me brain dump when I'm feeling anxious and overwhelmed (and soothe my worried mind that I have everything I've thought/am thinking in one place, while also giving me direction on how to get started in taking action! Again, thank you so much! I've liked and subscribed and I really like your videos and how genuine and down to earth you are in your planning approach and videos! I really appreciate it!
It is a good idea to have one place to write down everything. I find when I switch planners up a lot, I lose track of all those things that I have written as tasks. I do use the Reminders app in my phone a lot though for things especially with a due date so I do not forget and I also get that notification! For me, I think what I need to do is set up the lists initially at the location, such as to buy, to call, to do, etc. instead of brain dumping them all in one spot and then moving them all. It is a good system, and I have read the book but it is also nice to see examples!
Thanks so much for watching and totally agree on initially putting it to that location! I definitely sometimes do this as well as just put it straight into the next actions list for example cause I’m too lazy to write it again or copy and paste hahah. Do you have an on the go planner that you write things down immediately into or rely more on reminders as well?
I so relate and recently started using the GTD system. Your system looks great! It's interesting how differently GTD can be implemented and still work. I have a zillion happy planners so made those my frankenplanned project planners: 1 for my full-time job, another for my side hustle, another for my volunteer work, etc. In each of these, I prioritize and break down the projects into next actions. Then, I move all of the next actions to be done that week into my EDC planner. Good luck with the system. I hope it continues to work for you.
Thanks so much for watching! Wow your system sounds great! I think I might need a separate planner for work as well once I go back! I plan to implement this system there as well ☺️
Thank you. I watched this a long time ago but wasn't ready I guess. I have now read part of the book and recently was given similar inserts. But the explanation was not included. Lol. Thank you very much. I have you bookmarked for my gtd paper resource in future if needed. ❤😉
You explained the GTD method so well! I've watched other videos prior and I wasn't getting it. Thanks so much for sharing. This will be a a game changer for me. I also downloaded the audiobook.
Hello from the NWT! I'm a first-time watcher of your channel & I love how chill you are while explaining planning processes! I've never heard of the GTD method & am an avid planner, been doing it for yrs. I'm thinking about going digital (buying the Docket Planner from your shop). Thx so much for your videos! They're super helpful for me & others I see.
So I have been watching your videos for years and have re-watched this and some of your other GTD videos bc you have really been SO inspiring and basically encouraging me to start implementing the GTD method in my planner! I’ve read the book, done so much research on it - but never really knew how to start utilizing it in my planner. I’m actually thinking of creating or putting together a planner just for GTD. I already have so much in my everyday planner, plus I think I may like having just a small Pocket or Personal planner filled with all my GTD inserts, to complement my everyday planner! ALSO - I just watched your more recent video of using your GTD Digital Planner….🤯 I mayyyyy just do that too!! Lol! Sorry for the long comment, I just absolutely love your content & Etsy shop! 💕 I wish there was a way to schedule 1:1’s with you, to go over any personal or more specific questions! (You should think about that 😌) Thank you for all the wonderful tips!! 🙏🏼
Aw thank you so much for the sweet comment!!! 😭❤️ I’m so glad I could help, Im just really enthusiastic about the system since it’s worked so well for me haha! I think a separate planner is a great idea! Especially if you have multiple projects or waiting on items the lists really add up eh?! Hahah Re 1:1 consultations I have actually done a couple of these in the past on request ☺️ I offer 30min zoom sessions for $50usd. If it’s something you might be interested in you can just email me at momyeplans@gmail.com But ya thanks again for the sweet comment!!! You’re toooo nice, it really made my day 😭😭😭
I’m so glad I found your channel!! I love this explanation of the GTD system… I keep hearing about it but didn’t really understand? I think this will help me a lot and I love your inserts you made for them!
Aww yay! I’m so glad I could help explain it to you! I honestly found it pretty confusing myself prior to until finally committing to the book haha but ya thanks so much for the support!
I had some “inboxes” similar to what you have. They worked brilliantly!.. until I ran out of these sheets and needed to print and cut out some more. I just never got around to it lol!
Are you still using this method? I listened to David's book a few months ago (because my life suddenly became extremely busy with a million things I needed to get done, total task overload for me) but I've been struggling with how exactly to implement the finer details of the system into my planner. It's kinda funny because I was in a bound notebook last year and switched to rings specifically because I thought it would be much easier to implement in rings... got my new rings last month and somehow completely lost track of implementing the GTD system into it 🤦♀️ just goes to show what a total hot mess I am right now. Your video totally helped. I think I'm going through similar life changes that ypu may have been when you made this video, we are doing repairs on my moms house in order to sell it and building her a mother-in-law unit for her on our property, as well as trying to manage her estate since my father passed away last August, it's been a lot and we are only halfway there at the moment, so Thank you so much for sharing!
How do you know what your next action is? Do you create a project for the item in your inbox that is more than two tasks and add it to the project sheet and then take those steps for the next action until the project is finished?
Exactly! So anything with multiple steps I’ll outline in the project (if it’s like literally 2 steps I’d just put in directly in next actions). For the larger projects I like to outline it all out separately as ideas come and go. From there once I’m set on the list of to dos I move it into next actions as they become ready to do. For example sometimes as I do one item it can create issues or additional considerations for the next task so I don’t move everything over, just the items I can actually do if that makes sense?
as I'm getting older and experiencing different forms of arthritis I find myself noticing things I didn't use to. that being said I noticed that your finger joints are a bit pronounced and your fingers appear a bit bent. is that from arthritis? my joints have always been large and my joints there are kind of double jointed so they over bend and my "straightened" hand looks bent backwards a bit. I don't have arthritis in my hands though.
I'm in the USA. I had to use short term disability when my son was born cause my company didn't offer maternity. Before my short term could be used I had to use my vacation and pto. My son was born in Feb. So a whole year with no calling in or sick leave cause I used it. Plus my son was born early so a big portion of my leave we spent in the hospital. So lil bonding before I went back to work. When my son got covid from daycare I had to have my mom help with him cause I couldn't afford to take off. And the poor dude was only 8 months.... we are exhausted 😩
Omg that sounds awful!!! I honestly can’t even imagine maternity leave in the US I feel like its borderline inhumane! That must be so so rough, hang in there mama
That’s right! I always add things as they come up, if I’m not in front of my planner I add it to my phone and then consolidate it to my list in the evening! That way I know my inbox is always up to date!
Thanks for this post and your sheets. I bought the GTD official ones but like yours better! Also your explanation helped clarify the relationships between the sheets. I struggled with that from the book. So helped me very much!
Awww I’m so so glad it’s helping! It took a bit for me to think about how to put it all together so I’m glad it was a help to you! ❤️❤️❤️ Thanks for your sweet comments and making my day!
Very helpful video! I read the book and downloaded your inserts but it's been at least a month and I'm having trouble getting started. When you did your initial brain dump, did you use your inbox insert or did you write things down on a single sheet of paper? Also, if you are back at work, are you planning to have a separate GTD planner or keeping everything in one place? Thanks!
I totally understand how the initial dump can seem daunting! Honestly just start on the inbox insert and write down anything that comes to mind. Don’t even think twice, if it comes to your mind then write it down. Give yourself a couple days where you just write things down on the inbox insert until you feel like you finally don’t have anything else to write! Then you can go back to the insert and use the categories there to help you sort through your thoughts. If they don’t fit any of those categories then just cross it off. Don’t worry about it looking messy, after you get into the groove you can always clean it out and start a new inbox! Hope that helps!
I’m still watching and see you have a second set of categories something about more “actions” but I can’t see what they say. Maybe it’s not relevant I’m not sure, I’m new to this whole thing and I am loving what you’re saying but I don’t know what the categories are still and do we need these categories? Do we make our own categories and what type of actions are these? I guess I’m confused I don’t know why am listing these things and I don’t know what kind of action I’m taking. I guess I should just buy the book and just follow along. I apologize. I am very new to this and I just don’t understand the categories that you have listed with the checkmarks. I don’t know what those are. Thank you.
great video thank you, you explained it so much better than anyone else and the book, the only question i have how would you do this in a weeks or a cousin as thats what use and i use the weeks as my everyday carry so it would have to be in there.
Thanks so much for watching! So in a weeks mega I’d probably use the back pages as the master lists ie.inbox, next actions, projects etc. For regular weeks and cousin where there isn’t enough pages I’d just include these in a separate notebook (the hobonichi memo sets would be perfect as they come in weeks and A5 size!)
Hello, I’m enjoying this video and I’m enjoying it very much! I’ve been listening a couple times and I I don’t know if you’re saying and I’m missing it but can you please share what are the five categories that you have the checkmarks in? Like I said when you have everything listed but then what are the five categories across the top of the paper? I tried to screenshot it and blow it up but it’s too blurry. I just have no idea what the categories are that you’re talking about. Thank you very much.
Hey there! Great video!! Definitely use the system but I have gotten so much more out of your video! Will you be adding the GTD inserts in A6 to your shop? Thanks again for a great video! May watch a second time!
Aw thank you so much Tina! I’ve been making sizes based on demand/requests! If you’re interested in A6 ahead of Etsy you can always email me at momyeplans@gmail.com!
Thank you so much! Yes absolutely! This bundle really acts as a master list of everything you need to do or might want to do whereas your monthly weekly is time based so you would move things from these master lists to your calendar if the task is a time based item! Hope that makes sense!
I appreciate that you trying to explained the GTD system! But I cannot see what your lists look like so it's hard for me to get a clear picture of how I'm supposed to be doing things. I wish I could actually see your planner instead of just this book. I can't see anything so it's hard for me clearly understand the gtd system. Wish it was clearer!
Thanks so much for watching and I’m so sorry you had issues seeing the lists! If you go on my Etsy shop you can see the descriptions and inserts in more detail based on the listing photos if that helps! Sorry about that!
I really hate the idea of an inbox.. just put it in its designated category/folder so you don’t have a clutter mess of everything at once. Also waiting on? If you’re waiting on something other than yourself to complete something I wouldn’t even bother making it on the list. Someday? That sounds more like a goals thing And next action.. how do you know what main task these mini actions are attached to individually? This format just seems so messy, too many steps that are unnecessary.
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Thank you so much for making this video! This is so incredibly helpful! I have been feeling overwhelmed with all the things I've been needing to get done and finding it hard to find a system that can help my brain keep track of them all and figure out where to start! It's easy to get lost in the long list of to-dos and feel stuck from the start, let alone getting lost in all the possible systems, methods, and types of planners out there. When I'm already overwhelmed it's easy for me to get lost in the weeds. I think this method makes so much sense and will help me brain dump when I'm feeling anxious and overwhelmed (and soothe my worried mind that I have everything I've thought/am thinking in one place, while also giving me direction on how to get started in taking action! Again, thank you so much! I've liked and subscribed and I really like your videos and how genuine and down to earth you are in your planning approach and videos! I really appreciate it!
“The mind is for thinking things, not holding things.” Love gtd.
Couldn't agree more! Thanks so much for watching!!
It is a good idea to have one place to write down everything. I find when I switch planners up a lot, I lose track of all those things that I have written as tasks. I do use the Reminders app in my phone a lot though for things especially with a due date so I do not forget and I also get that notification! For me, I think what I need to do is set up the lists initially at the location, such as to buy, to call, to do, etc. instead of brain dumping them all in one spot and then moving them all. It is a good system, and I have read the book but it is also nice to see examples!
Thanks so much for watching and totally agree on initially putting it to that location! I definitely sometimes do this as well as just put it straight into the next actions list for example cause I’m too lazy to write it again or copy and paste hahah. Do you have an on the go planner that you write things down immediately into or rely more on reminders as well?
@@MomYePlans I used to but now that I’m not working, I just use my phone Reminders and Siri if driving to add something.
That’s me too! I rely on iOS reminders and calendar a lot…
I had heard of the book but never knew exactly how it worked. This is a very helpful video explaining it. I love this system.
Aww yay I’m so glad you found it helpful! It’s a great book! Highly recommend the audiobook if you want more details!
I so relate and recently started using the GTD system. Your system looks great! It's interesting how differently GTD can be implemented and still work. I have a zillion happy planners so made those my frankenplanned project planners: 1 for my full-time job, another for my side hustle, another for my volunteer work, etc. In each of these, I prioritize and break down the projects into next actions. Then, I move all of the next actions to be done that week into my EDC planner. Good luck with the system. I hope it continues to work for you.
Thanks so much for watching! Wow your system sounds great! I think I might need a separate planner for work as well once I go back! I plan to implement this system there as well ☺️
Sounds like you need to do a video on your project planning system. Sounds interesting!
Thank you. I watched this a long time ago but wasn't ready I guess. I have now read part of the book and recently was given similar inserts. But the explanation was not included. Lol. Thank you very much. I have you bookmarked for my gtd paper resource in future if needed. ❤😉
You explained the GTD method so well! I've watched other videos prior and I wasn't getting it. Thanks so much for sharing. This will be a a game changer for me. I also downloaded the audiobook.
Awww yay!! I’m so glad you found it helpful!! ❤️ thanks for watching!
Hello from the NWT! I'm a first-time watcher of your channel & I love how chill you are while explaining planning processes! I've never heard of the GTD method & am an avid planner, been doing it for yrs. I'm thinking about going digital (buying the Docket Planner from your shop). Thx so much for your videos! They're super helpful for me & others I see.
Wow hi!! That’s so cool to live in the NWT! And thanks so much for your kind words! Welcome to the channel!
So I have been watching your videos for years and have re-watched this and some of your other GTD videos bc you have really been SO inspiring and basically encouraging me to start implementing the GTD method in my planner! I’ve read the book, done so much research on it - but never really knew how to start utilizing it in my planner. I’m actually thinking of creating or putting together a planner just for GTD. I already have so much in my everyday planner, plus I think I may like having just a small Pocket or Personal planner filled with all my GTD inserts, to complement my everyday planner!
ALSO - I just watched your more recent video of using your GTD Digital Planner….🤯 I mayyyyy just do that too!! Lol!
Sorry for the long comment, I just absolutely love your content & Etsy shop! 💕
I wish there was a way to schedule 1:1’s with you, to go over any personal or more specific questions! (You should think about that 😌) Thank you for all the wonderful tips!! 🙏🏼
Aw thank you so much for the sweet comment!!! 😭❤️ I’m so glad I could help, Im just really enthusiastic about the system since it’s worked so well for me haha! I think a separate planner is a great idea! Especially if you have multiple projects or waiting on items the lists really add up eh?! Hahah
Re 1:1 consultations I have actually done a couple of these in the past on request ☺️ I offer 30min zoom sessions for $50usd. If it’s something you might be interested in you can just email me at momyeplans@gmail.com
But ya thanks again for the sweet comment!!! You’re toooo nice, it really made my day 😭😭😭
i just bought these inserts and i’m so excited! thank you for this video and the gtd inserts you offer! 🙏 💕
Aw thank you so much for watching and for the purchase! If you have any issues don’t hesitate to let me know! ❤️
I too am a list maker but don’t regularly review them. Thanks for the tips to help me get into the habit. Btw, love your inserts!
Thanks so much! Definitely finding this streamlined approach much more helpful. List making has been a good foundation!
Fab explanation of the GTD method, thanks! Also love your inserts - they really helped me to visualise and understand GTD.
Aw thank you so much for watching and supporting the shop! I'm so glad they could help!
I’m so glad I found your channel!! I love this explanation of the GTD system… I keep hearing about it but didn’t really understand? I think this will help me a lot and I love your inserts you made for them!
Aww yay! I’m so glad I could help explain it to you! I honestly found it pretty confusing myself prior to until finally committing to the book haha but ya thanks so much for the support!
I had some “inboxes” similar to what you have. They worked brilliantly!.. until I ran out of these sheets and needed to print and cut out some more. I just never got around to it lol!
They are the best eh??! Haha
Are you still using this method? I listened to David's book a few months ago (because my life suddenly became extremely busy with a million things I needed to get done, total task overload for me) but I've been struggling with how exactly to implement the finer details of the system into my planner. It's kinda funny because I was in a bound notebook last year and switched to rings specifically because I thought it would be much easier to implement in rings... got my new rings last month and somehow completely lost track of implementing the GTD system into it 🤦♀️ just goes to show what a total hot mess I am right now. Your video totally helped. I think I'm going through similar life changes that ypu may have been when you made this video, we are doing repairs on my moms house in order to sell it and building her a mother-in-law unit for her on our property, as well as trying to manage her estate since my father passed away last August, it's been a lot and we are only halfway there at the moment, so Thank you so much for sharing!
I love your dividers. You should make a tutorial on the dividers 🤭
Thanks girl! I have one already ☺️
@@MomYePlans thanks I'll go look for it. I literally watch all your videos!! I need to learn how to do it with the written tabs on it. Keep it up!!
@@MomYePlans I bought 2 of your bundles too ahhhhhhhh I'm so excited 😊 to try it!
How do you know what your next action is? Do you create a project for the item in your inbox that is more than two tasks and add it to the project sheet and then take those steps for the next action until the project is finished?
Exactly! So anything with multiple steps I’ll outline in the project (if it’s like literally 2 steps I’d just put in directly in next actions). For the larger projects I like to outline it all out separately as ideas come and go. From there once I’m set on the list of to dos I move it into next actions as they become ready to do. For example sometimes as I do one item it can create issues or additional considerations for the next task so I don’t move everything over, just the items I can actually do if that makes sense?
@@MomYePlans yes....uts slowly sinking in.
Thank you 😊 that was such great information!!! I’m definitely going to try this method!!!
Thank you so much for watching! I hope the method works for you!
thank you so much for your explanation :) im just starting and im very excited cause i feel this is what i needed to feel safe with my systems :)
You're so welcome!
as I'm getting older and experiencing different forms of arthritis I find myself noticing things I didn't use to. that being said I noticed that your finger joints are a bit pronounced and your fingers appear a bit bent. is that from arthritis? my joints have always been large and my joints there are kind of double jointed so they over bend and my "straightened" hand looks bent backwards a bit. I don't have arthritis in my hands though.
Unfortunately just have knobby hands!
I'm in the USA. I had to use short term disability when my son was born cause my company didn't offer maternity. Before my short term could be used I had to use my vacation and pto. My son was born in Feb. So a whole year with no calling in or sick leave cause I used it. Plus my son was born early so a big portion of my leave we spent in the hospital. So lil bonding before I went back to work. When my son got covid from daycare I had to have my mom help with him cause I couldn't afford to take off. And the poor dude was only 8 months.... we are exhausted 😩
Omg that sounds awful!!! I honestly can’t even imagine maternity leave in the US I feel like its borderline inhumane! That must be so so rough, hang in there mama
I was curious -- where do you get your dividers? They look very nice and legible.
I made these myself on cricut! I have some videos showing how to make it!
shouldn't a receipt be actionable? as in: file it somewhere?
So glad I ran into this video. Thanks for sharing.
Aw yay thanks so much for watching Pascha! ❤️
I'm wondering how often do you update inbox, or adding new things as they come up?
That’s right! I always add things as they come up, if I’m not in front of my planner I add it to my phone and then consolidate it to my list in the evening! That way I know my inbox is always up to date!
This is sooooo helpful! Thank you! Saving to watch again!
Awww thank you so much for watching! I’m so glad it helped! ❤️
Thanks for this post and your sheets. I bought the GTD official ones but like yours better! Also your explanation helped clarify the relationships between the sheets. I struggled with that from the book. So helped me very much!
Thank you so much Kelly! I’m so glad you found it helpful as I was unsure if I could explain it properly so that’s such a big compliment! Thank you!
Honestly your video and sheets have been the first time I ‘get’ GTD. Sitting here reviewing my inbox and it is all starting to make sense!
Awww I’m so so glad it’s helping! It took a bit for me to think about how to put it all together so I’m glad it was a help to you! ❤️❤️❤️ Thanks for your sweet comments and making my day!
What are the official GTD sheets? And where do you find those? I’d just like to take a look at them
Love this upload 😍😍😊
That’s pretty organized
Thank you!
Very helpful video! I read the book and downloaded your inserts but it's been at least a month and I'm having trouble getting started. When you did your initial brain dump, did you use your inbox insert or did you write things down on a single sheet of paper? Also, if you are back at work, are you planning to have a separate GTD planner or keeping everything in one place? Thanks!
I totally understand how the initial dump can seem daunting! Honestly just start on the inbox insert and write down anything that comes to mind. Don’t even think twice, if it comes to your mind then write it down. Give yourself a couple days where you just write things down on the inbox insert until you feel like you finally don’t have anything else to write! Then you can go back to the insert and use the categories there to help you sort through your thoughts. If they don’t fit any of those categories then just cross it off. Don’t worry about it looking messy, after you get into the groove you can always clean it out and start a new inbox! Hope that helps!
Also thank you for the support!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Appreciate the advice.
I’m still watching and see you have a second set of categories something about more “actions” but I can’t see what they say. Maybe it’s not relevant I’m not sure, I’m new to this whole thing and I am loving what you’re saying but I don’t know what the categories are still and do we need these categories? Do we make our own categories and what type of actions are these? I guess I’m confused I don’t know why am listing these things and I don’t know what kind of action I’m taking. I guess I should just buy the book and just follow along. I apologize. I am very new to this and I just don’t understand the categories that you have listed with the checkmarks. I don’t know what those are. Thank you.
great video thank you, you explained it so much better than anyone else and the book, the only question i have how would you do this in a weeks or a cousin as thats what use and i use the weeks as my everyday carry so it would have to be in there.
Thanks so much for watching! So in a weeks mega I’d probably use the back pages as the master lists ie.inbox, next actions, projects etc. For regular weeks and cousin where there isn’t enough pages I’d just include these in a separate notebook (the hobonichi memo sets would be perfect as they come in weeks and A5 size!)
Thanks for this! Where do you have the cover page with the method map?
Thanks for watching!! I literally just googled it! ❤️
Hello, I’m enjoying this video and I’m enjoying it very much! I’ve been listening a couple times and I I don’t know if you’re saying and I’m missing it but can you please share what are the five categories that you have the checkmarks in? Like I said when you have everything listed but then what are the five categories across the top of the paper? I tried to screenshot it and blow it up but it’s too blurry. I just have no idea what the categories are that you’re talking about. Thank you very much.
Thanks for watching! The columns at the top are calendar, next actions, waiting on, projects and someday maybe!
Love this!!
Thanks so much love! ❤️❤️❤️
How did you make your nice clear dividers with the words on them?
You use the text function in cricut design space then flatten it to the divider
Great video, thanks! Greetings from Edmonton :)
Hello my fellow Canadian! Thanks for watching! ❤️
Hey there! Great video!! Definitely use the system but I have gotten so much more out of your video! Will you be adding the GTD inserts in A6 to your shop? Thanks again for a great video! May watch a second time!
Aw thank you so much Tina! I’ve been making sizes based on demand/requests! If you’re interested in A6 ahead of Etsy you can always email me at momyeplans@gmail.com!
@@MomYePlans I will email you right now!! :)
So inspiring
Aw thank you for watching!
This is so helpful! Do you think these inserts could work being integrated into an existing planner? One that has monthly and weekly inserts?
Thank you so much! Yes absolutely! This bundle really acts as a master list of everything you need to do or might want to do whereas your monthly weekly is time based so you would move things from these master lists to your calendar if the task is a time based item! Hope that makes sense!
I appreciate that you trying to explained the GTD system! But I cannot see what your lists look like so it's hard for me to get a clear picture of how I'm supposed to be doing things. I wish I could actually see your planner instead of just this book. I can't see anything so it's hard for me clearly understand the gtd system. Wish it was clearer!
Thanks so much for watching and I’m so sorry you had issues seeing the lists! If you go on my Etsy shop you can see the descriptions and inserts in more detail based on the listing photos if that helps! Sorry about that!
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I really hate the idea of an inbox.. just put it in its designated category/folder so you don’t have a clutter mess of everything at once.
Also waiting on? If you’re waiting on something other than yourself to complete something I wouldn’t even bother making it on the list.
Someday? That sounds more like a goals thing
And next action.. how do you know what main task these mini actions are attached to individually?
This format just seems so messy, too many steps that are unnecessary.
Thanks for sharing!
Stop waving your hands over the pages. Zoom into the pages so they can be seen
Will do!
I am not knowledgeable on GTD but it seems your writing it on one list them writing it on another list and so on
It does sometimes seem redundant but it also helps you to think about whether you really still need that task!
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That looks like a lot of work to implement a simple system.
Just sharing how I do it, you do you!
My wife is a nail tech for 30 yrs just saying.