Completely agree with the logic. There was a time that I carried for a career and it was a G17. Even though I thought I could shoot/operate my USP equally, that theory was crushed the first force on force training session I attended. My complete operation with my G17 was much faster and natural than with my USP. And if your target is an opposing moving, thinking, being also shooting at you as opposed to a piece of static cardboard things happen you cannot foresee. I think that “carry rotation” is just a hip term to sell more guns/holsters, etc.
I totally agree Mike. I don't believe in the "rotation theory" as I didn't have much at first. But now that I have a couple, I still train and carry 1 for months. When I get used to a tool I either love it or I don't. I will spend more time with it if I know and love it. Muscle memory means everything to me for speed and accuracy.
I do rotate carry guns across a pretty broad spectrum of platforms (G19 Gen 3, CZ P-10C, CZ P-07, CZ P-01, Beretta 92X, Sig P229, etc.). But I also train 2-3 days a week under stress and against a timer. I think your general premise is correct and sticking with a single configuration tends to reduce variability (I’m definitely able to see a difference when I focus on one platform).
@@nbonner75 Says the man who posts idiotic rebuke without credential or context. 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😂 Btw, anyone with any real training and half a brain knows it’s a foolish practice. While there are a few exceptions, few possess the actual, real-world skills to be an expert on multiple platforms. Maybe you’re one…but doubtful. Have a nice day.
I carry a glock 43x during the hot summer months and a glock 19 gen5 during the fall and winter months. Both setup exactly the same Johnny glocks triggers,red dots and magwells. That’s all I carry. I have over 3k rounds through each one. I feel very confident I will make the shot if needed.
I rotate but seasonally not daily. Summer gun p10c. Fall winter PDP full size. I generally shoot just those during that time frame because like you said there is a difference in grip angle and triggers and when first switching, I get some user induced errors.
I used to rotate seasonally due to sizes of carry/conceal ability, but now I carry a CZ P01 year round. It was finding that right platform that checked all the right boxes for me. (Which was a journey through many manufacturers)
I have been switching back and forth between a 19 and PDP, but honestly I will likely switch over to the PDP because I shoot it so much better. Love the iron infidel bottle have the 64 ounce one times 2, my wife’s bottle to prove its toughness decided to fall off the back of our truck, it got a little dent but still works just fine.
@@IronInfidel That I know, I have thousands of rounds on 19s that I have owned, the PDP is just so superior to the 19 though, I think it has a lot to do with ergonomics of the PDP.
Great video! I think one would have less problem with different pistols that are similar platforms (striker fired) than they would if they switch between, say, a Glock or PDP and a DA/SA pistol or 1911. Not being on the job anymore, I pretty much pocket carry a Shield Plus every day and rarely carry anything else. All of my potential "social" pistols are striker fired, no manual safety. Point and click, regardless of model. I dont't think I'd have any meaningful deterioration in performance if I chose to carry my Glock 48 or Sig P365 X-Macro, though. Absent a CNS hit, incapacitation time for someone with a non-survivable hit is still much longer than any difference in split times between different models of pistols. A violent perp with a completely destroyed heart can have as much as 15 seconds left to fight back. .5 split time is not likely going to matter much. Pick something reliable, with good capacity, and keep shooting until the threat is down.
I have 3 versions of the same pistol in Full/Duty, Carry and Compact sizes. Grip sizes are identical the only changes are barrel lengths. Compact in the spring and summer, Carry in the fall and winter. Full size for range days.
Another fantastic video. Yes, changing pistols absolutely matters. Before bringing a loaded pistol out into the public, a person bears the responsibility to have trained with it enough to know 1) it is reliable with the ammo they are carrying, and 2) they are reasonably proficient with it. Carrying a different pistol every day defeats all of these efforts in large part. In a real-world defensive shooting, gun type and caliber go completely out the window, statistically speaking. The only important factor is rounds on target. Everything we do in training should be with this one goal in mind if we have the misfortune of finding ourselves in a defensive shooting situation. You demonstrate this well, keep up the great educational videos!
This makes all the sense in the world. I ended up (after a little trial and error) going with the P365 platform. It just works for me. Size, capacity, concealment, etc. Ive become pretty fond of the trigger style and actually prefer it at this point. Training is everything tho. Id say you can get used to literally anything....just gotta be consistent and TRAIN. Godspeed.
*I rotate carry handguns between Walther, Canik, and Sig Sauer, mainly. Sometimes, I carry an FN or a CZ. I feel very confident in doing it because I handle any of those handguns well individually. Now, if you go for a sudden quick change of several handguns in a row to test the differences, of course, you will be thrown off by the differences.*
I occasionally rotate, but they are the same platform. CZ P10C and the CZ P10F. I run the same trigger shoe, optic, magwell, sights, and magazine extension on both pistols. I try to think of the old saying, beware the man with one gun.
Used to rotate between a Glock G19 and CZ P10C. Finally settled on the M&P Shield and it’s been my EDC for years now. It has one of the slimmest profiles and I can practically wear anything with little to no concern of printing.
This is a great bunch of hard data 👍 I agree in principle even though I swap a lot myself. TP9 eliteSC with a dot when the sun's out and Q4SF with light when its not. They present the same for me and the only problem I have is on close targets, at speed, I will occasionally use the caniks irons by reflex. The dot is always there but I'm target focused anyway. Better splits with the bigger tool, slightly faster first shot from holster with the lighter one. If I ever find a light/holster combo I like for the Canik my Walther will stay bedside. Great stuff and a happy new subscriber here🇺🇲
Before I retired from the police department that I worked at, I carried my issue G23 for nearly 20 years before I retired. Now that I have a choice, I carry a SIG P-229 in .357SIG year round. I bought my Glock and I have other handguns that I play around with at the range however I love the trigger on the SIG and now it is what my hands and brain are linked too. For me, the SIG hits that sweet spot between being large enough to handle most potential problems with a pretty potent cartridge to being small enough to where I can effectively conceal it 90% of the time, so long as I adjust my clothing.
I carry my 229 most of the time, in summer heat I wear shorts with a 357mag snubbie. Thatsbas close as I can get to 357sig and still hide it. But I agree that the 229 357sig all day everyday 👍
For 9mm, I rotate between the Beretta APX A1, HK P30L, AREX Rex Zero 1, CZ P09, CZ P10F, and just added the AREX Xero 2. If I carry a .45, it's between the Walther PPQ or the CZ P10F. I've had a custom holster made for each, and I have a training rotation with also. The Arex Zero 2 jumped to #1 because of the feel and accuracy.
@hardcore4476 I have the P10F in .45, and it shoots great. 13 round capacity is nice. The APX A1 is awesome, but that's to be expected from Beretta. Nice trigger, accurate, and make a great EDC.
I only go between two pistols for my edc. Depends on my clothing choice for the day. But my two go to's are my shield plus or my s&w 642... ok so I lied I guess it's 3 lol winter time sometimes I'll carry my fullsize m&p 40. Yes I like my s&w's lol but own a bunch of different brands just what I've shot the most.
I don’t rotate because my guns (Glock 19 and Sig M18) require different muscle memories. I may get a 43/43X, but am concerned that a smaller grip could create issues in a situation where quickly drawing is necessary.
I have 2 carry guns. An X carry and an m18 with the safety removed and an x carry grip mod. Both have the same Apex trigger and short reset bar. Both feel and run the same. The greatest argument for your point is when you have to defend yourself or shoot under duress, training and familiarity are paramount
I agree with you. The reason being is because I honestly feel you cannot be 100% trained on every carry gun in your rotation. If you focus on that daily carry, you will be a force to reckon with in the event that you ever had to use that weapon in self defense. Great content!
Great video, love to see some different drills and real results. Cold shots are great and we dont see someone get perfect shots every time Appreciate it
Yesterday at the range after shooting 3 of the 4 I carry most often, I realized switching out is a bigger problem than expected. I'm 4.5 years in to CC, 9 pistols in, having let go of 3 that I got early on and found didn't work for various reasons, including how and where I ended up carrying. I started out in early 2020 just wanting a trail gun, having recently retired and spending a ton of time solo in the woods. I just wanted a gun for in the woods. I still do spend a lot of time solo in the woods, which recently led to my two most recent purchases, both revolvers. By the way, my EDC in the middle of this adventure was a LCR 5 shot snubby. I gave it up a year ago and have been mostly carrying a DA/SA 380. I learned on the M92 platform decades ago and am very comfortable with it. Finally to why I found myself here. Changing back to a revolver from a DA/SA to a snubby 357 is a big change. I had experienced some performance challenges when I went from semi auto to the LCR revolver a few years ago, but practice corrected the issue. I adapted ang got proficient with the snubby LCR revolver. It was my EDC for 2 years. A year ago I decided the 5 shot snubby wasn't the best choice for in town EDC and traded it in on a DA/SA 380. As I had learned to shoot handguns on the DA/SA platform, it was a pretty easy transition. However a small 380 is not what I'd consider an adequate trail gun. So I purchased a couple 357 revolvers, a 3" and 2". I noticed my accuracy with both falls short of what I am used to. Yesterday at the range after shooting 3 of the 4 I carry most often, I realized switching out is a bigger problem than expected. So I Googled "downside of rotating between handguns". Here I am. I have watched hundreds of TH-cam videos on guns and shooting and not one raised the issue.
As a fairly newer shooter I can tell you taking my full size pistol and my micro pistol to the range back to back in the same session feels very weird like I have to re adjust for the size difference to fast. Maybe I’ll switch days I train each
I'm not a novice, but definitely not an expert. I have learned that FOR ME, I have to limit what I take to the range. I now usually only take one of my pistols and spend A LOT of time with it rather than taking multiple. I want to make sure I'm more than competent on each platform. Again, that's what works best for me.
I carry Shield compact with spare mag most of the time, the other is FN 509 tactical. Practice at range with both. The type of gun really doesn't matter as long as you train with them
I like the video keep them coming. I pick one handgun and have carried the same one everyday for 4 years. I actually have three of the same gun but have not rotated because the carry gun is rock solid. We have a group that meets every week and we run IDPA style drills so I have about 10K through this one gun.
Like you, I sometimes carry different holsters and pistols due to reviewing and testing them. But outside of that, I agree that a person is likely better off sticking to a pistol for carry.
Yeah I never understood the “carry rotation” thing personally. If I have to use a firearm to protect myself I want it to be the one I have the most experience with, that I’ve put the most rounds through, that I have the most memory with. Luckily I’m big enough to get away with my P10c all year long. It was my first pistol and has been through hell but I’ll keep carrying that forever
@@oscarbear7498 with my size it’s proportionally about the same as an average sized person carrying a P365 XL so it works for me. I also carry appendix so that helps with bigger guns. It’s really reliable and flat shooting with an awesome trigger so I’ll gladly trust my life with it
Big fan of systems and commonality of training. Throughout the 90’s carried a Sig P220 in .45 ACP backed up by a Sig P225 in 9mm. From ‘99 to 2011, Glock .40 caliber guns, mostly G23’s backed up by a G27. From 2011 to 2022 Glock 9mm’s mostly G19’s backed up by a G26. Over the last 15 months 9mm Shadow Systems MR920’s a DR920, and an XR920, eventually adding a CR920. Like I said earlier, systems and commonality of training! 😎✌️
I've been running the same edc G21 Gen3 since 2010 up until last week. The only reason I changed to the G21 Gen5 MOS, because my eyes said you need an optic. It takes a lot of time, and reps to get to know your edc firearm.
Agreed. Or at least stick to a brand. For instance. I carry a glock 19 gen 5 mos or 43x mos. Im very accustomed to the 19 gen 5. Because it’s been main edc for about 2-3 years now. I wanted something a little smaller for easier more comfortable carry when I’m dressed light. I’ve owned the sig p365, Springfield hellcat osp, and several other very popular ccw’s. Ultimately, after upgrading and giving each gun a fair shot. I decided to buy a 43x. And man am I not disappointed. I love it. I’ve had a 43 before. And this just beats the pants off the regular 43. That extra inch or so of grip makes a world of difference. But yea, I think it’s a bad idea to have a rotation of different guns to carry that aren’t close the same thing. Unless you train with each gun regularly and are that confident with each gun to put your life on it. I just know I didn’t shoot nearly as good with the sig, hell cat or the other ccws that I’ve owned. Wish I would have saved some time/money and got the 43x sooner
Lmao. This was just a topic of discussion with guys i shoot with. Its great to have multiple guns, i mean 2 is 1 and 1 is none, so there is that. But yeah shooting glock 17, sig P320, and an XDM ELITE Sunday, my shooting was notably different with the shot timer, and accuracy from one to the other. Grip angle, triggers, recoil, grip itself, sights, all different and making me see my clear disadvantage from one to the next. Same thing running different ARs. Great content Mike and thanks Alex for getting one of my favorite reviewers on to deliver good content
@@IronInfidel Yeah I'm a recent SIG convert, lovin the P320 platform, always had my personal issues with the Glock grip angle, can't hate on it, it goes bang but if it's uncomfortable you're not going to want to shoot it.
I want to carry 1911s, so I figured I'd always train with 1911s to build the muscle memory for the safety, then if I ever rotated out the pistols for carry, whether its DA/SA or DAO, I'd still have that 1911 SAO memory regardless of what I use. I mean these days it's pretty much SAO or DA anyway 😂
I agree. Find one gun you can shoot well and carry it every day. It took me five years and about seven different guns to find my preferred edc but I don’t see myself changing again.
Yeah I have learned this over time. I have a smith and Wesson shield and a Glock 19 that I carry depending on the weather and what I’m wearing. I’m going to carry those the rest of my life and enjoy my other fire arms at the range.
I think that's the worst thing you can do. The Shield has an 18 degree handle angle. The Glock has a 22 degree handle angle. Which one are you going to remember in a panic?
@@jhutch1470 I train with both regularly. The last thing I think I’d be worried about if I have to draw my weapon is grip angle lol. What do you carry?
I got one primary which is my Sig Macro Sometimes I’m dressed in a way where it’s not comfortable/convenient/concealable so my backup is a 8rd Walther PPS M2. If I ever have to use my Macro I’ll use my FN 509C until I buy a second Macro
You gave me a lot to think about. I duty carry a Glock 17 Gen5. I off duty carry a Glock 23, Canik TP9 Elite Combat and a Glock 27. You showed a few key things to consider. With varying weights, sizes, triggers and calibers, my main three rotation guns are all totally different. Even though I’m proficient with all of them, you hit it on the head, when you are in the heat of the battle, you don’t want to have to worry about the gun you are carrying that particular day. Thanks to you video, I will take a closer look at this and either pick a single gun to always carrying off duty or pick a better gun to carry off duty. I have my eye on the CZ Shadow 2 compact. When I get it, if it is as good as the videos say, I’ll make that the only edc I carry. Thanks for the great video.
Great video that showed why finding and sticking to one platform is so important. Sure you can own and shoot multiple guns but finding and constantly training with your carry gun is more effiecient and it will save your ass when your number gets called and you got to deliver or you or someone you love dies. Don't quite understand why you are doing the video for iron infidel but I liked it and hope for more videos in the future.
Hey Eddie thanks for watching. It is very important to have a high level of skill with the carry piece for sure. Iron Infidel brought me on to do some content for them .
Great video and I’m glad someone finally did this… Because each gun shoots different. Awesome. I’m guilty of changing guns myself. Until I realized. So last few months been carrying the hell cat… Gun just works for me.. And real life matters when to comes to shot placement.
I only IWB...never OWB. I do have a rotation but it's seasonal and no more than 2 or 3 options. Once I make the switch I stick with it until the next season.
I only have 2 rotations. Sig P365 with Macro grip and Glock 19. Both are similar in foot print so it’s basically a preference factor. Not concealability factor. Lol.
Oh yeah for sure. Matter of fact the Sig is my preferred to carry and shoot because it’s the Spectre Comp model. That trigger is far better than the Glock factory trigger. The more I fire the 365 the better it feels.
Watching this and your suggestion video on how many guns. Having the same gun as your EDC makes total sense. Your other vid you mentioned if you have a few pistol that are compact up to full size, have them be the same "type" of pistol, IE glocks or the various Shadow Systems models. So I've really had to try and think about that. Because due to smaller hands, guns like the Hellcat Pro and P365 Xmacro make sense and seem comfortable, and I've held the hellcat and loved it. But going up to a full size in either brand would be a completely different experience in terms of controls. Vs going from a Glock 19 to a glock 17 or a Sig p320 carry to a full size. So I'm really trying to think and be smart for my first and second pistols. Sorry I know this is long, but I like that you're giving me these things to think about. And I'd love to hear your personal thoughts.
I'm a beleiver in platform. Yes you can swap from compact to full size , but i stay in platform. Do i shoot my 26 as well as my 17 or 45 ? No , but almost , and it's familiar. And I don't love micro guns. That gets into a different platform. Though you could argue some micros are more similar to their big brother than some others are. Try to keep things familiar is my goal. Also mag compatibility has it's merits.
I’ve recently just started carrying, I carry one gun, no rotation. I run my carry gun exclusively at the range. Logic is l need to know with absolute certainty where strengths and weaknesses lie using this one gun. Now l could understand staying within he same platform, you carry a g26 and you switch between a g19. But carrying a g26 one day then a p365xl? Even going from a g19 to g48 feels different, l wouldn’t do it. Two different feels. It’s like your starting over each day and to me that could be dangerous in a self defense moment of stress. I say pick one gun and stick with and train with that. For me it’s the canik mete mc9. Love it.
The holster is a big factor. If you don't have manual safety (which contributes to unintentional discharges, which are 1,000's of times more common than gunfights) you need a specific holster for each firearm, and practice time drawing from that specific holster for that pistol. Too often, the main priority is wild west quick draw time and hair trigger, when for a civilian that is statistically equivalent to dedicating lots of time to prepare for pterodactyl attacks regardless of whether it is more likely result in your dog's tail disappearing, holes in your dash board, new boots ruined, a limp, etc. Statistically, as a civilian, carrying safely and situational awareness and being able to shoot straight at close range is going to decide your fate.
@@IronInfidel thanks! i'm probably one of the few people who will ever tell you that even though it's basic math. manual safety makes all the difference in the world as far as safe carry options, and carrying safely for civilians is 1,000x more likely to contribute well being than a wild west quick draw and hair trigger. yes, it is possible to fluster people during training and make them falter with the manual safety, but it takes no effort or flustering at all for civilians and even instructors and experts to total 1,000's of AD's in america alone every year, the vast majority during 1 holstering, 2 drawing, 3 cleaning, almost all of those with no manual safety. civilian gun fights are extremely rare for non-criminals, even for LEO dealing with criminals every day, and of those law abiding citizens involved in gun fights trained with a manual safety, it's only theoretical that the safety could make a difference in the outcome. the number of times someone trained with a manual safety faltered operating it in a defensive exchange and it was a determining factor in the outcome around the world over the past century is within 3 of the total killed in pterodactyl attacks. safe carry, situational awareness, and shoot straight at short range is the real world priority set.
I carry a S&W shield plus every day really good with it. When I carry my full sized handgun I do shoot better but do have trigger freeze. And notice flinching. Want to just start carrying my full size 24/7
I practice with and carry my glock 17 and my shield 40. Adding my rifle back in the mix with its new 16" upper setup. Thats it for me. Reliability and being able to hit effectively is my highest priority. Dont need the newest or coolest. Gen 3 glock 17 and gen 1 shield 40 are all I need. I got two exceptional weapons with these purchases.
Seasonal for me and I've always done it. If I was built differently body wise and I could conceal a full size handgun, I'd do it. Just doesn't work for me. I'll carry small in the Summer, medium sized in the Fall and Spring and full size when the snow starts flying. All striker fired so they're similar. Biggest thing for me is when I do decide to change handguns, I'll get a few hundred rounds downrange to get the feel of a different weapon. To each his/her own.
What you doing on here Mike? Love it! I agree. I’ve been carrying religiously for 15ish years and I was guilty of switching carry guns a lot. Yet, depending on dress, it’s hard to carry just one pistol. What I found works FOR ME is a Glock 48MOS and a Glock 19 that are setup exactly the same. Same grip angle, same trigger, basically same sight, same light, same holster setup, etc… I shoot them almost the same with the G19 getting a tiny edge because of the thicker grip and weight. And before any comments about Shield magazines, I only trust OEM Glock mags. Personal choice and if you like the Shield mags, you do you.
@@bloodycrepe refer to my initial comment. They’re just not as consistently reliable as OEM mags. Period. And my #1 criteria for a defensive gun is reliability. If other choose to run them, that’s their call.
@@Goldenwithaleash lol I was pulling your leg. Overall I couldn't agree more. Although it doesn't apply to me as single stack Glocks would be my last choice for CCW. I would never carry one with shields mags.
@IronInfidel Guy came to the fun shoot competition today, and he only has a P320 Compact with a Wilson module. Dude was QUICK. I started to catch up towards the end, but he was just consistent from start to finish.
"I fear not the man who has practiced thousands of kicks, but the man who has practiced one kick thousands of times." Bruce Lee I think I got that a little wrong but the point is still there.
I didn't think there where bugs in the desert LOL. Great video, shows what changing up daily carry may happen. I try to carry the same gun all the time, nevertheless here in Florida where it gets a little warm in the summer LOL. I like to go to a compact for shorts and Tee shirts, given that I like a full to mid size carry but it isn't always the case.
@@IronInfidel I understand that, here in Florida it's a way of life with the mosquitos. Don't get caught outside at dark 30 for sure you will be dead from blood loss before you make it back lol.
I rotate depending on time of year, and daily weather conditions. Winter it's either my PDP or PPQ. Warmer weather it's hellcat or hellcat pro and sometimes my glock 19, just depends on what I'm doing really. I mainly carry the glock when I'm fishing on the old boat.
I have different guns, and have switched around. But I think you're better off picking 1 gun and get proficient with it. I understand winter and summer carry. But when you carry a different gun everyday it'd be easy to screw up under pressure. But each to their own opinions. I carry a Sig 229 in winter and a pocket rocket for summer. Very good discussion on carry guns
Push comes to shove; I'm most comfortable with a J frame. I started with revolvers many years ago. I carry a semi most of the time these days but that revolver is always special.
I only rotate my carry based on my outfit. If I have a flannel or jacket then I carry my cz p10S but if it’s t shirt weather I carry the browning 1911 chambered in .380 because of how small and easy to conceal it is.
I'll get emails from this guy all the time and I have never heard of him until I just saw this video show up in my recommended. I think it's like about a year now I've been getting emails from iron infidel and had never heard of him
Revolver, simple and I don’t have to waste another moment of precious life on a ridiculous carry rotation like I’m some kind of professional operator in a war zone.
Maybe it’s cause I was in the infantry but to me, if you train regularly with all your “carry rotation” guns you’ll be fine. Most defensive shooting incidents happen at super close distances and are nothing like the movies lol
@@IronInfidel I feel like you have to say that cause your audience is so big and the average person needs to hear it lol I’m at the range 2-3 times a week so to me it’s no big deal. All the guns I carry i shoot all the time. But I do agree if you don’t train as often don’t do it! 👍🏽
I stick to my 2 guns for carry and 2 guns for duty. Glock 19 & CZ P07 for carry. The 2 duty are Staccato P and Glock 45 , both with TLR 1HL’s. Really good info though brother 💪🏻
That is a great and well proven choice. Holster choice is going to be a determining factor on comfort. IWB on full sized pistols can be uncomfortable at first but you get used to it. On the belt with a full size that is close to the body is most comfortable for that. This Sunday's video actually goes over holster choices for you .
I have 4 Sig P365 builds that I rotate 😂 For this reason exactly. The controls are the same, but the grips and barrel lengths differ. Overall still has the same muscle memory.
How does the dot track with the PDP full size vs Glock? Is keeping it in the window the goal on recoil management, I’ve heard diff schools of thought on that
@@IronInfidel Ben Stoeger did a vid with Walther shooter Kim Hwansik and mentioned the dot leaving the window more than Glock, but also how it’s not a big deal and the PDP does point better, so I wondered if it’s noticeable between the two guns.
Great to see you over here Mike. For me I carry 4 different guns based on my situation. I live in a small, very safe town and have a fairly non permissive job in that town. However, 30 miles away is one of the most dangerous cities (per capita) in the US. I try to keep them as similar as possible when I can. I carry my lcp2, a p365, a p365 macro and an agency arms p320. Basically the biggest one of those that I am able to carry. I have a lot of different guns (Mikes reviews don’t help that😂) and a lot of versions of all of my guns (8 p320s and now 3 G45s), but I will. only carry those 4 and shoot those 4 the most of all my guns.
Training with ONE gun makes you VERY proficient with that particular weapon. If for some reason you have to go to another gun the base skills transfer but you are handling an unfamiliar weapon. I have long thin fingers and thin wrists but prefer larger calibers. Firmly believe the bigger the hole the faster they quit being aggressive. Recoil is mitigated by the weight of the firearm. I rotate through several different firearms. I even carry a tiny .22Mag revolver to the pool or beach. Single action only. Waterproof containers I can manipulate it through an if necessary shoot through. I practice with all of the carry guns I use. My clothing and the environment I will be in determines which one I carry. Lighter (summer) clothing requires a smaller one to carry concealed. In Cold weather it is easier to conceal a large one. At the beach concealing a large one is pretty much impossible. You get the idea. When I open carry what I am doing at the time dictates what I carry. Am I doing physical labor? Something older and already banged up. Exercising (hiking and such) calls for something relative to the environment I will be in. Driving across the country calls for a compact firearm. Full size really digs in while driving long distances. I also have a few to use for dress occasions. Weddings, dinner parties, etc. and more formal occasions. You get the idea. Living the pew-pew life.
I carry 3 different ones depending on what I’m doing. At work I have to carry a glock. For around town and general off duty carry I have the x macro. When I’m working on my property, M&P 10mm. I shoot the Smith and the Sig better than the glock and I have thousands and thousands of rounds through glocks.
It does. Haven’t had any problems with it but did just get the FN 510 so I may end up switching to that. The glock 20 just feels like a brick in my hand.
No point in switching to the Hellcat. The P365 is the way. If you switched to a G43X or G38 I would say that makes sense. Maybe with the new VP9CC comes out then there will be a real contender for the P365.
If your job is to carry a firearm and to proactively go into harm's way then wearing a consistent uniform & using singular equipment makes sense. But if your day-to-day is not full of expected near-death experiences and stresses then rotating through your '6' favorite carry firearms is not an absolute loss. Unlikely that you'll need to use it anyway, and if you carry something you know you're actually not effective with, then that's on you. My everyday automobile rotation varies from day-to-day, and that is another piece of equipment that can save or take a life; same application.
I would never compare a car to a gun. Realistically unless you are like Ben Stoeger, you will have way more time behind the wheel than behind a gun. Going between guns isn't a huge deal though. At the end of the range day people were handing me guns to try out, and I was able to step on the gas relatively quickly with all of them (the Smith was fantastic honestly).
@@IronInfidelThe only problem is most people who are skilled in shooting will definitely be able to put shots on target at 7 yds or less with any gun.
I run three guns p10c p10F and a macro. Luckily both p10 have the same trigger, although the p10F for sure shoots flatter than the p10c. The macro for sure is different. Have some others but I really only carry these. I can’t always carry a large gun. But the macro I pretty much can.
It is very comforting I shoot it best. Will compete with my pdp pro full size next year so maybe it will beat my f out. I do try to train with different guns as Clint smith is all for. Of course we should be most proficient with our own edc. Great content!!
I just can't get myself to love the P10F. I also don't trust it. The PDP has been much easier to live with, albeit I think I would probably be faster with the P10F if I had a dot on it too.
@@Osprey1994 Your p10F has had problems? The only thing I dislike about mine is sometimes my high grip keeps the gun from going to slide lock on empty. Same happened with Glocks and several other firearms models for me.
I carry the same firearm always I have 2 with different setups. Both have optics one has light. Carry both with tier 1 Agis. Light barring is the old style non light the elite. I prefer consistency over variety but that’s just me.
For me it's a sig X macro with a red dot, almost the perfect size, also always really liked a oldie but goodie the glock 27 gen 4 for years. Don't know why but always liked it regardless if others liked it or not
I'd be curious to see how much the times vary between drills if conducted with the same pistol, multiple times. For example, 5 rounds of each drill per pistol and then average the times. Would the times vary as much between pistols at that point? For example, Glock went first (cold start), but the PDP got into the rotation after getting warmed up a bit. Who knows, the times might be similar to the original test, but then again, they might not. It's interesting to think about, though.
They will get much faster. These were all cold start. I have run the Baer drill sub 6 seconds all in after running it time and time again. The reason I went from one directly to the next was to simulate cold starts since its different gun with different attributes.
@@IronInfidel That makes sense since the test was geared toward what you’d conceal carry. When things pop off, you don’t get an hour to warm up before you respond. Cold starts make the best sense in this case. Thanks for the helpful context; helped me to think it through more thoroughly!
all my carry guns are the same action and operation.. ie compact 9mm P250 vs full size .45 P250 .....sometimes carry 2 or 3 guns i would never carry G20 monday the Beretta 92 on Tuesday
I have 3 handguns I rotate through depending on the situation I'm going to be in and how much concealment I need. I have shot them back to back and have trained consistently with 1 while avoiding the others quite a bit for a while. I've noticed a difference in performance with them, but at the same time keep getting better with all 3 over time. I also have compact and full size guns I use that have different types of actions and triggers. Motor learning theory would argue that being good with many types of platforms will make you better at a specific platform. Much like your better overall athletes make better specific sport athletes.
I agree to an extant, you shot proficiently with all of them. If you ran the drills with just 1 gun do you think your times would be exact back to back with same gun no youd have slight variations maybe a poor grip, got too fast on the trigger before the dot settled enough. I think as long as your putting in the due time in dryfire, and live fire your good to go with any gun. However in the other extreme, if you train year round with a glock and pick up your sig for the winter obviously there will be a deficiency.
Well yes I shot ok with all of them but If I run the same drills consistently with the same handgun I can shave seconds off the times and accuracy will improve. The changes from optic to optic and pistol to pistol can have effects on proficiency and speed. Also I made sure to cold start these which always shows some areas for improvement.
@IronInfidel no definitely I agree as far as improvement. My cold times are on par with yours. I run a staccato c2 as a daily carry, and my SHTF is a glock. I, however, train both when I go to the range. I run my staccato out an appendix rig. My glock out of a safariland holster, I split my ammo, and day between both. I see it as I'm pretty sure most competition shooters don't carry around their races guns. I don't disagree that you should master one and stick to one, but I also don't believe that you can't have a second squeeze lol just in guns, mind you. You're one of the few reviewers, I actually watch a lot of guys here who don't show what they can do at speed, yet want to review guns. Keep up the good work, man!
Cole Thornton speaking to Alan Badillion Trahern (Mississippi) "Were you aiming at that 🌵cholla?" 😂 I carry and train with a P365XL exclusively in order to keep everything as consistent as possible.
Like some of the other ppl in the section..i carry based on season. Summer/spring is usually a micro 9 (mc2sc) fall/winter czp10s. Keep it simple. Don't have the body size to carry my compacts unless its freezing. I try to train with what I have as much as possible especially my edc. Awesome videos and thanks for your service sir.🇺🇲💪
Completely agree with the logic. There was a time that I carried for a career and it was a G17. Even though I thought I could shoot/operate my USP equally, that theory was crushed the first force on force training session I attended. My complete operation with my G17 was much faster and natural than with my USP. And if your target is an opposing moving, thinking, being also shooting at you as opposed to a piece of static cardboard things happen you cannot foresee.
I think that “carry rotation” is just a hip term to sell more guns/holsters, etc.
It seems a carry rotation or the idea has been popularized recently .
I totally agree Mike. I don't believe in the "rotation theory" as I didn't have much at first. But now that I have a couple, I still train and carry 1 for months. When I get used to a tool I either love it or I don't. I will spend more time with it if I know and love it. Muscle memory means everything to me for speed and accuracy.
I don't practice with a battle belt usually because I carry concealed. I practice the same way I carry.
That's the best way.
@@IronInfidelElement of surprise.
I do rotate carry guns across a pretty broad spectrum of platforms (G19 Gen 3, CZ P-10C, CZ P-07, CZ P-01, Beretta 92X, Sig P229, etc.). But I also train 2-3 days a week under stress and against a timer. I think your general premise is correct and sticking with a single configuration tends to reduce variability (I’m definitely able to see a difference when I focus on one platform).
Most will not train like you are doing. I wish they would.
I wish I could train like you do good on you sir.
Foolish practice.
@@oleboy7615 (offers criticism without credential, context or constructive comment = dismissed out of hand as just another useless internet troll)
@@nbonner75 Says the man who posts idiotic rebuke without credential or context. 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😂
Btw, anyone with any real training and half a brain knows it’s a foolish practice. While there are a few exceptions, few possess the actual, real-world skills to be an expert on multiple platforms. Maybe you’re one…but doubtful. Have a nice day.
I carry a glock 43x during the hot summer months and a glock 19 gen5 during the fall and winter months. Both setup exactly the same Johnny glocks triggers,red dots and magwells. That’s all I carry. I have over 3k rounds through each one. I feel very confident I will make the shot if needed.
Those JG triggers are something else for sure.
@@IronInfidel makes all the difference in the world and worth the money for sure
I rotate but seasonally not daily. Summer gun p10c. Fall winter PDP full size. I generally shoot just those during that time frame because like you said there is a difference in grip angle and triggers and when first switching, I get some user induced errors.
Very good way to do it.
Agree, Summer and winter guns essentially. Summer gun is smaller.
I used to rotate seasonally due to sizes of carry/conceal ability, but now I carry a CZ P01 year round. It was finding that right platform that checked all the right boxes for me. (Which was a journey through many manufacturers)
That is a great way to do it. Find the perfect fit and rock on.
I have been switching back and forth between a 19 and PDP, but honestly I will likely switch over to the PDP because I shoot it so much better. Love the iron infidel bottle have the 64 ounce one times 2, my wife’s bottle to prove its toughness decided to fall off the back of our truck, it got a little dent but still works just fine.
Just put that time in for proficiency.
@@IronInfidel That I know, I have thousands of rounds on 19s that I have owned, the PDP is just so superior to the 19 though, I think it has a lot to do with ergonomics of the PDP.
These are my 2 guns I keep debating. I like both.
Great video! I think one would have less problem with different pistols that are similar platforms (striker fired) than they would if they switch between, say, a Glock or PDP and a DA/SA pistol or 1911. Not being on the job anymore, I pretty much pocket carry a Shield Plus every day and rarely carry anything else. All of my potential "social" pistols are striker fired, no manual safety. Point and click, regardless of model.
I dont't think I'd have any meaningful deterioration in performance if I chose to carry my Glock 48 or Sig P365 X-Macro, though. Absent a CNS hit, incapacitation time for someone with a non-survivable hit is still much longer than any difference in split times between different models of pistols. A violent perp with a completely destroyed heart can have as much as 15 seconds left to fight back. .5 split time is not likely going to matter much. Pick something reliable, with good capacity, and keep shooting until the threat is down.
Most going from a strike to hammer rig would likely struggle.
I just made this similar commitment. Carrying a G19.5 for the foreseeable future only. I'm literally selling holsters off so that I don't get tempted.
Yup I have been there.
I have 3 versions of the same pistol in Full/Duty, Carry and Compact sizes. Grip sizes are identical the only changes are barrel lengths. Compact in the spring and summer, Carry in the fall and winter. Full size for range days.
Perfect way to go about it
@@IronInfidel Rgr that
You got Big Mike on here👍💪
Yeah buddy.
@@IronInfidel this u.s. marine vet here 93' to 97' active has your 6 -1 million % , thanks > tom !
Another fantastic video. Yes, changing pistols absolutely matters. Before bringing a loaded pistol out into the public, a person bears the responsibility to have trained with it enough to know 1) it is reliable with the ammo they are carrying, and 2) they are reasonably proficient with it. Carrying a different pistol every day defeats all of these efforts in large part. In a real-world defensive shooting, gun type and caliber go completely out the window, statistically speaking. The only important factor is rounds on target. Everything we do in training should be with this one goal in mind if we have the misfortune of finding ourselves in a defensive shooting situation. You demonstrate this well, keep up the great educational videos!
Very important and factual info here .
I have carried the FN 509 tactical for the last 4 years. Have 8k ish rounds through it. Repetition repetition repetition.
That is the key
I wish I could trust the 509. Looks like a cool gun, but the issues were a big no for me.
Got the fns.40 but yours is cooler
This makes all the sense in the world. I ended up (after a little trial and error) going with the P365 platform. It just works for me. Size, capacity, concealment, etc. Ive become pretty fond of the trigger style and actually prefer it at this point.
Training is everything tho. Id say you can get used to literally anything....just gotta be consistent and TRAIN.
Godspeed.
Consistency is a very important part for sure.
*I rotate carry handguns between Walther, Canik, and Sig Sauer, mainly. Sometimes, I carry an FN or a CZ. I feel very confident in doing it because I handle any of those handguns well individually. Now, if you go for a sudden quick change of several handguns in a row to test the differences, of course, you will be thrown off by the differences.*
That's because you a boss buddy. Good to see you here.
@@IronInfidel 😁 I'd say I am not just an average gun owner/shooter 😎
Is this your backup account? Or a new partnership?
I occasionally rotate, but they are the same platform. CZ P10C and the CZ P10F. I run the same trigger shoe, optic, magwell, sights, and magazine extension on both pistols. I try to think of the old saying, beware the man with one gun.
Yeah that is not a bad way. The feel will be very similar between those grip and trigger wise but the F is a big boy for sure.
Used to rotate between a Glock G19 and CZ P10C. Finally settled on the M&P Shield and it’s been my EDC for years now. It has one of the slimmest profiles and I can practically wear anything with little to no concern of printing.
The Shield is a great edc piece well proven and easy to carry.
This is a great bunch of hard data 👍 I agree in principle even though I swap a lot myself. TP9 eliteSC with a dot when the sun's out and Q4SF with light when its not. They present the same for me and the only problem I have is on close targets, at speed, I will occasionally use the caniks irons by reflex. The dot is always there but I'm target focused anyway. Better splits with the bigger tool, slightly faster first shot from holster with the lighter one. If I ever find a light/holster combo I like for the Canik my Walther will stay bedside.
Great stuff and a happy new subscriber here🇺🇲
Awesome happy to have you.
Before I retired from the police department that I worked at, I carried my issue G23 for nearly 20 years before I retired. Now that I have a choice, I carry a SIG P-229 in .357SIG year round. I bought my Glock and I have other handguns that I play around with at the range however I love the trigger on the SIG and now it is what my hands and brain are linked too. For me, the SIG hits that sweet spot between being large enough to handle most potential problems with a pretty potent cartridge to being small enough to where I can effectively conceal it 90% of the time, so long as I adjust my clothing.
Consistently an make all the difference
I carry my 229 most of the time, in summer heat I wear shorts with a 357mag snubbie. Thatsbas close as I can get to 357sig and still hide it. But I agree that the 229 357sig all day everyday 👍
For 9mm, I rotate between the Beretta APX A1, HK P30L, AREX Rex Zero 1, CZ P09, CZ P10F, and just added the AREX Xero 2. If I carry a .45, it's between the Walther PPQ or the CZ P10F. I've had a custom holster made for each, and I have a training rotation with also. The Arex Zero 2 jumped to #1 because of the feel and accuracy.
@@ddw76yHow do you like CZ P10c in 45, and Beretta APX A1?
@hardcore4476 I have the P10F in .45, and it shoots great. 13 round capacity is nice. The APX A1 is awesome, but that's to be expected from Beretta. Nice trigger, accurate, and make a great EDC.
I only go between two pistols for my edc. Depends on my clothing choice for the day. But my two go to's are my shield plus or my s&w 642... ok so I lied I guess it's 3 lol winter time sometimes I'll carry my fullsize m&p 40. Yes I like my s&w's lol but own a bunch of different brands just what I've shot the most.
Best way to roll .
Great content! Keep on keepin on, Brother!
Appreciate it!
I don’t rotate because my guns (Glock 19 and Sig M18) require different muscle memories. I may get a 43/43X, but am concerned that a smaller grip could create issues in a situation where quickly drawing is necessary.
Going for the 43x to the 19 is really familiar
@@IronInfidel I may give it a shot. 😀
I have 2 carry guns. An X carry and an m18 with the safety removed and an x carry grip mod. Both have the same Apex trigger and short reset bar. Both feel and run the same. The greatest argument for your point is when you have to defend yourself or shoot under duress, training and familiarity are paramount
You are correct about familiarity.
I agree with you. The reason being is because I honestly feel you cannot be 100% trained on every carry gun in your rotation. If you focus on that daily carry, you will be a force to reckon with in the event that you ever had to use that weapon in self defense.
Great content!
Great video, love to see some different drills and real results. Cold shots are great and we dont see someone get perfect shots every time
Appreciate it
More to come!
Yesterday at the range after shooting 3 of the 4 I carry most often, I realized switching out is a bigger problem than expected.
I'm 4.5 years in to CC, 9 pistols in, having let go of 3 that I got early on and found didn't work for various reasons, including how and where I ended up carrying. I started out in early 2020 just wanting a trail gun, having recently retired and spending a ton of time solo in the woods. I just wanted a gun for in the woods. I still do spend a lot of time solo in the woods, which recently led to my two most recent purchases, both revolvers. By the way, my EDC in the middle of this adventure was a LCR 5 shot snubby. I gave it up a year ago and have been mostly carrying a DA/SA 380. I learned on the M92 platform decades ago and am very comfortable with it. Finally to why I found myself here. Changing back to a revolver from a DA/SA to a snubby 357 is a big change. I had experienced some performance challenges when I went from semi auto to the LCR revolver a few years ago, but practice corrected the issue. I adapted ang got proficient with the snubby LCR revolver. It was my EDC for 2 years. A year ago I decided the 5 shot snubby wasn't the best choice for in town EDC and traded it in on a DA/SA 380. As I had learned to shoot handguns on the DA/SA platform, it was a pretty easy transition. However a small 380 is not what I'd consider an adequate trail gun. So I purchased a couple 357 revolvers, a 3" and 2". I noticed my accuracy with both falls short of what I am used to. Yesterday at the range after shooting 3 of the 4 I carry most often, I realized switching out is a bigger problem than expected. So I Googled "downside of rotating between handguns". Here I am. I have watched hundreds of TH-cam videos on guns and shooting and not one raised the issue.
It will mess ya up for sure. Especially at speed.
As a fairly newer shooter I can tell you taking my full size pistol and my micro pistol to the range back to back in the same session feels very weird like I have to re adjust for the size difference to fast. Maybe I’ll switch days I train each
I'm not a novice, but definitely not an expert. I have learned that FOR ME, I have to limit what I take to the range. I now usually only take one of my pistols and spend A LOT of time with it rather than taking multiple. I want to make sure I'm more than competent on each platform. Again, that's what works best for me.
That is definitely something to keep in mind
I carry Shield compact with spare mag most of the time, the other is FN 509 tactical. Practice at range with both.
The type of gun really doesn't matter as long as you train with them
I like the video keep them coming. I pick one handgun and have carried the same one everyday for 4 years. I actually have three of the same gun but have not rotated because the carry gun is rock solid. We have a group that meets every week and we run IDPA style drills so I have about 10K through this one gun.
Best way to go about it.
Good info. Please keep it up
I will try my best
Been rocking the 64oz bottle, great bottle rig, used daily for work. 👍
Good choice!
Like you, I sometimes carry different holsters and pistols due to reviewing and testing them. But outside of that, I agree that a person is likely better off sticking to a pistol for carry.
Yup consistency will usually give the best results.
Yeah I never understood the “carry rotation” thing personally. If I have to use a firearm to protect myself I want it to be the one I have the most experience with, that I’ve put the most rounds through, that I have the most memory with. Luckily I’m big enough to get away with my P10c all year long. It was my first pistol and has been through hell but I’ll keep carrying that forever
You carry a p10c? That's too big but if you like it go for it.
@@oscarbear7498 with my size it’s proportionally about the same as an average sized person carrying a P365 XL so it works for me. I also carry appendix so that helps with bigger guns. It’s really reliable and flat shooting with an awesome trigger so I’ll gladly trust my life with it
Nothing wrong with a single carry piece.
Big fan of systems and commonality of training. Throughout the 90’s carried a Sig P220 in .45 ACP backed up by a Sig P225 in 9mm. From ‘99 to 2011, Glock .40 caliber guns, mostly G23’s backed up by a G27. From 2011 to 2022 Glock 9mm’s mostly G19’s backed up by a G26. Over the last 15 months 9mm Shadow Systems MR920’s a DR920, and an XR920, eventually adding a CR920. Like I said earlier, systems and commonality of training!
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Those shadows are nice I have the full line up.
I've been running the same edc G21 Gen3 since 2010 up until last week. The only reason I changed to the G21 Gen5 MOS, because my eyes said you need an optic. It takes a lot of time, and reps to get to know your edc firearm.
I think we all need an optic at a certain point.
What a difference my friend. Thx@@IronInfidel
Agreed. Or at least stick to a brand. For instance. I carry a glock 19 gen 5 mos or 43x mos. Im very accustomed to the 19 gen 5. Because it’s been main edc for about 2-3 years now. I wanted something a little smaller for easier more comfortable carry when I’m dressed light. I’ve owned the sig p365, Springfield hellcat osp, and several other very popular ccw’s. Ultimately, after upgrading and giving each gun a fair shot. I decided to buy a 43x. And man am I not disappointed. I love it. I’ve had a 43 before. And this just beats the pants off the regular 43. That extra inch or so of grip makes a world of difference. But yea, I think it’s a bad idea to have a rotation of different guns to carry that aren’t close the same thing. Unless you train with each gun regularly and are that confident with each gun to put your life on it. I just know I didn’t shoot nearly as good with the sig, hell cat or the other ccws that I’ve owned. Wish I would have saved some time/money and got the 43x sooner
For sure. At least sticking to the same brand you get the same trigger, grip angle all that.
Lmao. This was just a topic of discussion with guys i shoot with.
Its great to have multiple guns, i mean 2 is 1 and 1 is none, so there is that.
But yeah shooting glock 17, sig P320, and an XDM ELITE Sunday, my shooting was notably different with the shot timer, and accuracy from one to the other.
Grip angle, triggers, recoil, grip itself, sights, all different and making me see my clear disadvantage from one to the next.
Same thing running different ARs.
Great content Mike and thanks Alex for getting one of my favorite reviewers on to deliver good content
It can make or break a range day for sure and in real life under stress it will be even worse.
@@IronInfidel Yeah I'm a recent SIG convert, lovin the P320 platform, always had my personal issues with the Glock grip angle, can't hate on it, it goes bang but if it's uncomfortable you're not going to want to shoot it.
I want to carry 1911s, so I figured I'd always train with 1911s to build the muscle memory for the safety, then if I ever rotated out the pistols for carry, whether its DA/SA or DAO, I'd still have that 1911 SAO memory regardless of what I use.
I mean these days it's pretty much SAO or DA anyway 😂
Love me some 1911's.
I agree. Find one gun you can shoot well and carry it every day. It took me five years and about seven different guns to find my preferred edc but I don’t see myself changing again.
Yup fit is very important for a natural feeling aim and trigger pull.
Yeah I have learned this over time. I have a smith and Wesson shield and a Glock 19 that I carry depending on the weather and what I’m wearing. I’m going to carry those the rest of my life and enjoy my other fire arms at the range.
Solid way to go about it.
I think that's the worst thing you can do.
The Shield has an 18 degree handle angle.
The Glock has a 22 degree handle angle.
Which one are you going to remember in a panic?
@@jhutch1470 I train with both regularly. The last thing I think I’d be worried about if I have to draw my weapon is grip angle lol. What do you carry?
@@IBNpm 18 degree, for the last 30 years.
I got one primary which is my Sig Macro
Sometimes I’m dressed in a way where it’s not comfortable/convenient/concealable so my backup is a 8rd Walther PPS M2.
If I ever have to use my Macro I’ll use my FN 509C until I buy a second Macro
That macro is a great all around choice.
Only got a summer gun and a winter gun, both same caliber and train with.
Very solid
You gave me a lot to think about. I duty carry a Glock 17 Gen5. I off duty carry a Glock 23, Canik TP9 Elite Combat and a Glock 27. You showed a few key things to consider. With varying weights, sizes, triggers and calibers, my main three rotation guns are all totally different. Even though I’m proficient with all of them, you hit it on the head, when you are in the heat of the battle, you don’t want to have to worry about the gun you are carrying that particular day.
Thanks to you video, I will take a closer look at this and either pick a single gun to always carrying off duty or pick a better gun to carry off duty.
I have my eye on the CZ Shadow 2 compact. When I get it, if it is as good as the videos say, I’ll make that the only edc I carry.
Thanks for the great video.
Stress and adrenaline does weird things man
G23 👍
Great video that showed why finding and sticking to one platform is so important. Sure you can own and shoot multiple guns but finding and constantly training with your carry gun is more effiecient and it will save your ass when your number gets called and you got to deliver or you or someone you love dies. Don't quite understand why you are doing the video for iron infidel but I liked it and hope for more videos in the future.
Hey Eddie thanks for watching. It is very important to have a high level of skill with the carry piece for sure. Iron Infidel brought me on to do some content for them .
I was really confused when I first started watching the video😂
Wrong guy right channel lol
Same here! Thought someone stole TC’s content and was going to report it on main channel.. Glad he covered it in the beginning.
Great video and I’m glad someone finally did this… Because each gun shoots different. Awesome. I’m guilty of changing guns myself. Until I realized. So last few months been carrying the hell cat… Gun just works for me.. And real life matters when to comes to shot placement.
Glad you enjoyed it. I think we all love different options but we quickly loose sight of maximum proficiency.
I have different pistols but I only train with two most often. That’s my Glock 26 gen 5 and my Shadow Systems Mr920. Those are my go to.
Not a bad way to go.
I only IWB...never OWB. I do have a rotation but it's seasonal and no more than 2 or 3 options. Once I make the switch I stick with it until the next season.
Yup I do much the same same brand different sizes.
I do like videos like this. Made me think about firearm rotation
Much appreciated.
Tactical Considerations! Love his channel
Thanks brother.
I only have 2 rotations. Sig P365 with Macro grip and Glock 19.
Both are similar in foot print so it’s basically a preference factor. Not concealability factor. Lol.
Do you find the trigger on the sig to be a lot different when you first fire it?
Oh yeah for sure. Matter of fact the Sig is my preferred to carry and shoot because it’s the Spectre Comp model. That trigger is far better than the Glock factory trigger. The more I fire the 365 the better it feels.
Watching this and your suggestion video on how many guns. Having the same gun as your EDC makes total sense. Your other vid you mentioned if you have a few pistol that are compact up to full size, have them be the same "type" of pistol, IE glocks or the various Shadow Systems models. So I've really had to try and think about that. Because due to smaller hands, guns like the Hellcat Pro and P365 Xmacro make sense and seem comfortable, and I've held the hellcat and loved it. But going up to a full size in either brand would be a completely different experience in terms of controls. Vs going from a Glock 19 to a glock 17 or a Sig p320 carry to a full size. So I'm really trying to think and be smart for my first and second pistols. Sorry I know this is long, but I like that you're giving me these things to think about. And I'd love to hear your personal thoughts.
There is a lot of benefit to running similar stuff.
I'm a beleiver in platform. Yes you can swap from compact to full size , but i stay in platform. Do i shoot my 26 as well as my 17 or 45 ? No , but almost , and it's familiar. And I don't love micro guns. That gets into a different platform. Though you could argue some micros are more similar to their big brother than some others are. Try to keep things familiar is my goal. Also mag compatibility has it's merits.
Familiarity is very important.
I’ve recently just started carrying, I carry one gun, no rotation. I run my carry gun exclusively at the range. Logic is l need to know with absolute certainty where strengths and weaknesses lie using this one gun.
Now l could understand staying within he same platform, you carry a g26 and you switch between a g19.
But carrying a g26 one day then a p365xl?
Even going from a g19 to g48 feels different, l wouldn’t do it.
Two different feels.
It’s like your starting over each day and to me that could be dangerous in a self defense moment of stress.
I say pick one gun and stick with and train with that. For me it’s the canik mete mc9. Love it.
Staying on the same platform is the best way to go to stay in the norm of training.
The holster is a big factor. If you don't have manual safety (which contributes to unintentional discharges, which are 1,000's of times more common than gunfights) you need a specific holster for each firearm, and practice time drawing from that specific holster for that pistol. Too often, the main priority is wild west quick draw time and hair trigger, when for a civilian that is statistically equivalent to dedicating lots of time to prepare for pterodactyl attacks regardless of whether it is more likely result in your dog's tail disappearing, holes in your dash board, new boots ruined, a limp, etc. Statistically, as a civilian, carrying safely and situational awareness and being able to shoot straight at close range is going to decide your fate.
You are very correct on that holster and AD topic for sure. That is actually a great idea for a video.
@@IronInfidel thanks! i'm probably one of the few people who will ever tell you that even though it's basic math. manual safety makes all the difference in the world as far as safe carry options, and carrying safely for civilians is 1,000x more likely to contribute well being than a wild west quick draw and hair trigger. yes, it is possible to fluster people during training and make them falter with the manual safety, but it takes no effort or flustering at all for civilians and even instructors and experts to total 1,000's of AD's in america alone every year, the vast majority during 1 holstering, 2 drawing, 3 cleaning, almost all of those with no manual safety. civilian gun fights are extremely rare for non-criminals, even for LEO dealing with criminals every day, and of those law abiding citizens involved in gun fights trained with a manual safety, it's only theoretical that the safety could make a difference in the outcome. the number of times someone trained with a manual safety faltered operating it in a defensive exchange and it was a determining factor in the outcome around the world over the past century is within 3 of the total killed in pterodactyl attacks. safe carry, situational awareness, and shoot straight at short range is the real world priority set.
I carry a S&W shield plus every day really good with it. When I carry my full sized handgun I do shoot better but do have trigger freeze. And notice flinching. Want to just start carrying my full size 24/7
Consistency can be a make or break on the clock.
@@IronInfidel ordered a Trex arms side car for my M&P metal. Just to have one handgun for ccw and “duty” use.
I would only run 2 different ones, seasonally. 5” inseams and Flannel call for different things, but familiarity is nice for the brain.
Good way to roll.
I practice with and carry my glock 17 and my shield 40. Adding my rifle back in the mix with its new 16" upper setup. Thats it for me. Reliability and being able to hit effectively is my highest priority. Dont need the newest or coolest. Gen 3 glock 17 and gen 1 shield 40 are all I need. I got two exceptional weapons with these purchases.
Very solid.
Seasonal for me and I've always done it.
If I was built differently body wise and I could conceal a full size handgun, I'd do it. Just doesn't work for me.
I'll carry small in the Summer, medium sized in the Fall and Spring and full size when the snow starts flying.
All striker fired so they're similar. Biggest thing for me is when I do decide to change handguns, I'll get a few hundred rounds downrange to get the feel of a different weapon.
To each his/her own.
Great way to train into the carry seasonal rotation.
What you doing on here Mike? Love it! I agree. I’ve been carrying religiously for 15ish years and I was guilty of switching carry guns a lot. Yet, depending on dress, it’s hard to carry just one pistol. What I found works FOR ME is a Glock 48MOS and a Glock 19 that are setup exactly the same. Same grip angle, same trigger, basically same sight, same light, same holster setup, etc… I shoot them almost the same with the G19 getting a tiny edge because of the thicker grip and weight. And before any comments about Shield magazines, I only trust OEM Glock mags. Personal choice and if you like the Shield mags, you do you.
Fyi there are shield mags that expand your Glock 48 capacity by 50%. Have you tried them?
@@bloodycrepe refer to my initial comment. They’re just not as consistently reliable as OEM mags. Period. And my #1 criteria for a defensive gun is reliability. If other choose to run them, that’s their call.
@@Goldenwithaleash lol I was pulling your leg. Overall I couldn't agree more. Although it doesn't apply to me as single stack Glocks would be my last choice for CCW. I would never carry one with shields mags.
I know right. I got messages wondering if I had a twin lol. The 48 and 19 are a great combo .
"Beware of the man who only owns one gun"
- a wise man
Who said only own one .
@IronInfidel Guy came to the fun shoot competition today, and he only has a P320 Compact with a Wilson module. Dude was QUICK. I started to catch up towards the end, but he was just consistent from start to finish.
"I fear not the man who has practiced thousands of kicks, but the man who has practiced one kick thousands of times." Bruce Lee
I think I got that a little wrong but the point is still there.
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." - Bruce Lee 🥋🙏🏽
I didn't think there where bugs in the desert LOL. Great video, shows what changing up daily carry may happen. I try to carry the same gun all the time, nevertheless here in Florida where it gets a little warm in the summer LOL. I like to go to a compact for shorts and Tee shirts, given that I like a full to mid size carry but it isn't always the case.
Dude the humidity brought out the mosquitos in force and I was eaten alive even using bug spray.
@@IronInfidel I understand that, here in Florida it's a way of life with the mosquitos. Don't get caught outside at dark 30 for sure you will be dead from blood loss before you make it back lol.
I rotate depending on time of year, and daily weather conditions. Winter it's either my PDP or PPQ. Warmer weather it's hellcat or hellcat pro and sometimes my glock 19, just depends on what I'm doing really. I mainly carry the glock when I'm fishing on the old boat.
Have you noticed any performance differences when you change in the first few range trips?
@@IronInfidel There probably is, I've honestly not paid enough attention to it. But I will now.
Thanks for the video, this is a very good topic.
I have different guns, and have switched around. But I think you're better off picking 1 gun and get proficient with it. I understand winter and summer carry. But when you carry a different gun everyday it'd be easy to screw up under pressure. But each to their own opinions. I carry a Sig 229 in winter and a pocket rocket for summer. Very good discussion on carry guns
Proficiency under stress is very important. When the time comes is proficiency in performance and performance on demand.
Love your videos! I always keep going back to my Glock 26 for EDC.
That's awesome, thanks for watching.
Push comes to shove; I'm most comfortable with a J frame. I started with revolvers many years ago. I carry a semi most of the time these days but that revolver is always special.
If it works and you are proficient that is what matters.
Another great video Mike .
Can I ask u a question? Where do you go shooting here in az ?
There is a ton of BLM land but I use private property ranges now.
I only rotate my carry based on my outfit. If I have a flannel or jacket then I carry my cz p10S but if it’s t shirt weather I carry the browning 1911 chambered in .380 because of how small and easy to conceal it is.
That drives most of us.
I'll get emails from this guy all the time and I have never heard of him until I just saw this video show up in my recommended. I think it's like about a year now I've been getting emails from iron infidel and had never heard of him
Well the company is Iron Infidel. I'm just one of the guys who makes videos
@@IronInfidel I gotcha I just was like oh that's the guy who sends me unsolicited emails every 3 days 😂
@@IronInfidel I thought you were THE iron infidel. So sorry so sorry my my mistake infidel sir
Revolver, simple and I don’t have to waste another moment of precious life on a ridiculous carry rotation like I’m some kind of professional operator in a war zone.
Revolvers will definitely get it done.
Maybe it’s cause I was in the infantry but to me, if you train regularly with all your “carry rotation” guns you’ll be fine. Most defensive shooting incidents happen at super close distances and are nothing like the movies lol
Well I was a ranger and I still think swapping carry pistols daily is not a great idea.
@@IronInfidel I feel like you have to say that cause your audience is so big and the average person needs to hear it lol I’m at the range 2-3 times a week so to me it’s no big deal. All the guns I carry i shoot all the time. But I do agree if you don’t train as often don’t do it! 👍🏽
I stick to my 2 guns for carry and 2 guns for duty. Glock 19 & CZ P07 for carry. The 2 duty are Staccato P and Glock 45 , both with TLR 1HL’s.
Really good info though brother 💪🏻
That Staccato is piece for sure. Thanks for watching.
Sooo you carry a striker fired handgun, a double action single action handgun, and single action only handguns…….. 😐
Got my CCW, in CA, any tips on carrying Glock 17 3rd Gen. Only firearm I own.
That is a great and well proven choice. Holster choice is going to be a determining factor on comfort. IWB on full sized pistols can be uncomfortable at first but you get used to it. On the belt with a full size that is close to the body is most comfortable for that. This Sunday's video actually goes over holster choices for you .
I have 4 Sig P365 builds that I rotate 😂
For this reason exactly. The controls are the same, but the grips and barrel lengths differ. Overall still has the same muscle memory.
Not a bad way to go at all.
How does the dot track with the PDP full size vs Glock? Is keeping it in the window the goal on recoil management, I’ve heard diff schools of thought on that
Well controlling recoil to keep the dot in window is optimal.I prefer the PDP over glock.
@@IronInfidel Ben Stoeger did a vid with Walther shooter Kim Hwansik and mentioned the dot leaving the window more than Glock, but also how it’s not a big deal and the PDP does point better, so I wondered if it’s noticeable between the two guns.
Great to see you over here Mike. For me I carry 4 different guns based on my situation. I live in a small, very safe town and have a fairly non permissive job in that town. However, 30 miles away is one of the most dangerous cities (per capita) in the US. I try to keep them as similar as possible when I can. I carry my lcp2, a p365, a p365 macro and an agency arms p320. Basically the biggest one of those that I am able to carry. I have a lot of different guns (Mikes reviews don’t help that😂) and a lot of versions of all of my guns (8 p320s and now 3 G45s), but I will. only carry those 4 and shoot those 4 the most of all my guns.
Thanks buddy. Having stuff in similar brand and style is better than completely swapping brands and sizes.
you are 100% correct! i collect guns but only have 1 or 2 guns for actual use !!!!! awesome vid
I am in your boat
Carry rotation is a guntuber term to explain away why you can recommend a different gun every other week.
Maybe, I never heard it personally until people said it in comments
Definitely not a gun tuber thing bud 😂
Training with ONE gun makes you VERY proficient with that particular weapon. If for some reason you have to go to another gun the base skills transfer but you are handling an unfamiliar weapon.
I have long thin fingers and thin wrists but prefer larger calibers. Firmly believe the bigger the hole the faster they quit being aggressive. Recoil is mitigated by the weight of the firearm.
I rotate through several different firearms. I even carry a tiny .22Mag revolver to the pool or beach. Single action only. Waterproof containers I can manipulate it through an if necessary shoot through. I practice with all of the carry guns I use. My clothing and the environment I will be in determines which one I carry. Lighter (summer) clothing requires a smaller one to carry concealed. In Cold weather it is easier to conceal a large one. At the beach concealing a large one is pretty much impossible. You get the idea.
When I open carry what I am doing at the time dictates what I carry. Am I doing physical labor? Something older and already banged up. Exercising (hiking and such) calls for something relative to the environment I will be in. Driving across the country calls for a compact firearm. Full size really digs in while driving long distances. I also have a few to use for dress occasions. Weddings, dinner parties, etc. and more formal occasions.
You get the idea. Living the pew-pew life.
As long as you are proficient that is all that matter. I need to get a wheel gun for fanny pack carry.
So weird how outdoor target looks so much closer than an indoor range hanging target. My 7 yards seems like double the distance
Yeah confinement into an area can change that look
@@IronInfidel didn’t know you had a second channel man nice 🔥👍🏼
I carry 3 different ones depending on what I’m doing. At work I have to carry a glock. For around town and general off duty carry I have the x macro. When I’m working on my property, M&P 10mm. I shoot the Smith and the Sig better than the glock and I have thousands and thousands of rounds through glocks.
Maybe the fit on that Smith is just what works for you.
It does. Haven’t had any problems with it but did just get the FN 510 so I may end up switching to that. The glock 20 just feels like a brick in my hand.
I wonder if the trigger freeze was from counting the shots in your head?
Well some if it is due to having surgery on my hands as well. But counting can do that as well.
Yeah I only carry a p365xl. I may change to a springfield hellcat one day, but I'd shoot it A LOT to get used to that.
Very good thought process
No point in switching to the Hellcat. The P365 is the way.
If you switched to a G43X or G38 I would say that makes sense. Maybe with the new VP9CC comes out then there will be a real contender for the P365.
At first I thought someone stole content from Tactical Considerations.. lol
I know right. .. Just me here the Iron Crew now.
@@IronInfidel you’re the man! Stay Frosty🥶🇺🇸
If your job is to carry a firearm and to proactively go into harm's way then wearing a consistent uniform & using singular equipment makes sense. But if your day-to-day is not full of expected near-death experiences and stresses then rotating through your '6' favorite carry firearms is not an absolute loss. Unlikely that you'll need to use it anyway, and if you carry something you know you're actually not effective with, then that's on you. My everyday automobile rotation varies from day-to-day, and that is another piece of equipment that can save or take a life; same application.
As much as I agree you will likely never need your ccw piece m. If you ever should it's best to have a high and recent level of skill with it.
I would never compare a car to a gun. Realistically unless you are like Ben Stoeger, you will have way more time behind the wheel than behind a gun.
Going between guns isn't a huge deal though. At the end of the range day people were handing me guns to try out, and I was able to step on the gas relatively quickly with all of them (the Smith was fantastic honestly).
@@IronInfidelThe only problem is most people who are skilled in shooting will definitely be able to put shots on target at 7 yds or less with any gun.
I run three guns p10c p10F and a macro. Luckily both p10 have the same trigger, although the p10F for sure shoots flatter than the p10c. The macro for sure is different. Have some others but I really only carry these. I can’t always carry a large gun. But the macro I pretty much can.
Those p10's are solid. The f is s big boy.
It is very comforting I shoot it best. Will compete with my pdp pro full size next year so maybe it will beat my f out.
I do try to train with different guns as Clint smith is all for. Of course we should be most proficient with our own edc.
Great content!!
I just can't get myself to love the P10F. I also don't trust it.
The PDP has been much easier to live with, albeit I think I would probably be faster with the P10F if I had a dot on it too.
@@Osprey1994 Your p10F has had problems? The only thing I dislike about mine is sometimes my high grip keeps the gun from going to slide lock on empty. Same happened with Glocks and several other firearms models for me.
I carry the same firearm always I have 2 with different setups. Both have optics one has light. Carry both with tier 1 Agis. Light barring is the old style non light the elite. I prefer consistency over variety but that’s just me.
That is a great holster.
For me it's a sig X macro with a red dot, almost the perfect size, also always really liked a oldie but goodie the glock 27 gen 4 for years. Don't know why but always liked it regardless if others liked it or not
X macro is a great rig for sure.
I'd be curious to see how much the times vary between drills if conducted with the same pistol, multiple times. For example, 5 rounds of each drill per pistol and then average the times. Would the times vary as much between pistols at that point? For example, Glock went first (cold start), but the PDP got into the rotation after getting warmed up a bit. Who knows, the times might be similar to the original test, but then again, they might not. It's interesting to think about, though.
They will get much faster. These were all cold start. I have run the Baer drill sub 6 seconds all in after running it time and time again. The reason I went from one directly to the next was to simulate cold starts since its different gun with different attributes.
@@IronInfidel That makes sense since the test was geared toward what you’d conceal carry. When things pop off, you don’t get an hour to warm up before you respond. Cold starts make the best sense in this case. Thanks for the helpful context; helped me to think it through more thoroughly!
all my carry guns are the same action and operation.. ie compact 9mm P250 vs full size .45 P250
.....sometimes carry 2 or 3 guns
i would never carry G20 monday the Beretta 92 on Tuesday
That is a good way to go about it. Familiarity is key.
Summer-365XXL macro, eps carry, tlr-1s, Winter-320-357sig 509t, tlr-1hl. In summer ohshit gun flux raider in 9mm and in winter flux defense in 357sig.
Some solid stuff there
Excellent 🤜🏻⚡️🤛🏻
Thanks ✌️
I have 3 handguns I rotate through depending on the situation I'm going to be in and how much concealment I need. I have shot them back to back and have trained consistently with 1 while avoiding the others quite a bit for a while. I've noticed a difference in performance with them, but at the same time keep getting better with all 3 over time. I also have compact and full size guns I use that have different types of actions and triggers. Motor learning theory would argue that being good with many types of platforms will make you better at a specific platform. Much like your better overall athletes make better specific sport athletes.
If you are putting in the work with them you will perform better for sure.
I generally rotate my duty pistols from every 6 months to yearly. Same for carry also.
From different brands?
What holster are you using for the PDP
On the range I use the Blackhawk omnivore
Great video
I agree to an extant, you shot proficiently with all of them. If you ran the drills with just 1 gun do you think your times would be exact back to back with same gun no youd have slight variations maybe a poor grip, got too fast on the trigger before the dot settled enough. I think as long as your putting in the due time in dryfire, and live fire your good to go with any gun. However in the other extreme, if you train year round with a glock and pick up your sig for the winter obviously there will be a deficiency.
Well yes I shot ok with all of them but If I run the same drills consistently with the same handgun I can shave seconds off the times and accuracy will improve. The changes from optic to optic and pistol to pistol can have effects on proficiency and speed. Also I made sure to cold start these which always shows some areas for improvement.
@IronInfidel no definitely I agree as far as improvement. My cold times are on par with yours. I run a staccato c2 as a daily carry, and my SHTF is a glock. I, however, train both when I go to the range. I run my staccato out an appendix rig. My glock out of a safariland holster, I split my ammo, and day between both. I see it as I'm pretty sure most competition shooters don't carry around their races guns. I don't disagree that you should master one and stick to one, but I also don't believe that you can't have a second squeeze lol just in guns, mind you. You're one of the few reviewers, I actually watch a lot of guys here who don't show what they can do at speed, yet want to review guns. Keep up the good work, man!
I have a summer gun and a winter. Winter carry is a fnx9 and summer is the hellcat pro
Not a bad way to do it. Carrying the same one for multiple months with range time keeps you fresh on it.
Cole Thornton speaking to Alan Badillion Trahern (Mississippi) "Were you aiming at that 🌵cholla?" 😂 I carry and train with a P365XL exclusively in order to keep everything as consistent as possible.
Oh man I love that scene lol.
Anyone know where I can get one of those Ikea pouches?
Those are from badlands ammunition
Like some of the other ppl in the section..i carry based on season. Summer/spring is usually a micro 9 (mc2sc) fall/winter czp10s. Keep it simple. Don't have the body size to carry my compacts unless its freezing. I try to train with what I have as much as possible especially my edc. Awesome videos and thanks for your service sir.🇺🇲💪
I do that same. Sometimes clothing and weather types don't permit certain carry sizes or ways to carry.