Remington 700 EtronX, minus the specialty ammo/primers :) Wonder if this mechanical/solenoid based solution has as fast a lock time? Also, didn't hear a thorough response about the potential for ND. Dropsafe is easy on an electronic system, where the trigger itself is likely the only moving component and would just need to be counterweighted. The real question is how does it handle static/ESD, water/moisture intrusion, dirt/dust intrusion, etc. Is it based on a microswitch or Hall sensor? What's the battery chemistry?
EXACTLY! This ticks one of the boxes of what they want in a smart gun. Now, just add a biometric fingerprint reader linked to a lockout and - BAM! - the smart gun has arrived. This is a bad idea.
Apps can be Hacked. Registering them can bridge controls. Tink hoomin error by conscious intent. A contractor went to his bank to draw cash for pay the employees. Found out that his account was a million USD down. No one had any answers for him.
@@chunglow7646 Right...and the U.S. Government is actively planning to get rid of hard currency. Soon we are supposed to convert to 100% digital currency. BAD IDEA!
Electronic triggers have been around quite a while on pistols. One thing nice on the pistols is you could set them not to drop the firing pin so you could dry fire practice as much as you want.
This just controls a latch that drops the firing pin. The ammo doesn't need to be different and it looks like it can be dropped into any normal rifle, it's totally different.
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the implications of an electronic trigger, and it's use cases. Granted, putting it on a bolt action Remington 700 isn't exactly the best demonstration. But, picture it on a bullpup. Where the trigger bar is close to a foot long, which creates a horrible sloppy trigger feel. Electronic trigger eliminates this problem. Here's another fun use case - If the trigger is no longer using a traditional mechanical captured hammer and sear system, all it would take to convert an electronic trigger to full auto, 2 shot burst, 3 shot burst, 20 shot burst, whatever the hell you want, is a simple code injection. Untrackable, untraceable, infinitely customizable since it's no longer reliant on a physical lobe. Food for thought.
Mdt seems to be moving away from what made them popular to begin with. Good products at affordable prices. They need to release more under the oryx brand. The field stock was supposed to be out under the oryx brand last year
My question is what does this E-trigger do/do better than my Bix-N-Andy/TT/Jewel? What is the point of it...I have yet to hear this answer. It had better be good for something for me to add another battery to the fleet.
Since I have slight experience with installing many triggers and setting them using a dvorak trigger scan. Traditional sear engaged triggers can vary its lock time when temperatures fluctuate adding and decreasing lock time as well as its pressure curve to release the sear. This can result in accuracy loss. An electronic trigger like this which uses a high rate solenoid will have zero change regardless of weather change and lock timing will be instantaneous. Eletronic triggers have been around for a couple of decades in the rail gun benchrest world for this reason
*Here are my misgivings regarding the electronic trigger:* *1. What happens if it gets wet (say, while out hunting)? Shorts out? Stops working? Or, worse, closes contacts and spontaneously fires.* *2. What happens if it gets near strong electromagnetic fields?* *3. Very likely there will be no user-serviceable parts. Even trying to service it yourself will probably void your warranty. No easy fix should it stop working short of replacing it with another trigger. Compare this to a mechanical trigger where - in a pinch - an owner equipped with a few basic tools could probably return the trigger to service; at least long enough until they could replace it.* *4. Could likely be modded to go full-auto. Not that I'm against that, but expect ATF to be all over this thing for that reason.* *5. Furthers the slippery slope of the electronic gun that some anti-gun states have been pushing for. They want a firearm that is electronic and combined with a biometric reader so the owner and **_only_** the owner can fire it. Was scoffed at a few years back as a pipe dream, a ridiculous suggestion in no small part because the technology for it didn't exist back then. Well guess what? Put a fingerprint reader on this trigger linked to a lockout and - BOOM! - you've got exactly what the anti-gunners were proposing back then. I don't like giving the opposition ammunition to use against us.* *6. I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to have some sort of override installed where police or government agents could push a button and - ZAP! - the trigger stops working. It may not come out the gate to market that way, but don't be surprised if some anti-gun jurisdictions jump at the chance to require such overrides be installed for these triggers to be allowed to be sold in their city/county/state.* *I love innovation and technological advancements that bring measurable functional improvement to the table. This, however, seems like a solution in search of a problem that is already solved trough no shortage of fine mechanical triggers already on the market. I don't really see this having much application outside of benchrest. Of course, benchrest should have access to their own sport-specific toys, too. But for the general market? Ummm...nah, I don't see it gaining wide adoption.* *Lastly, part of the appeal of firearms is they are - from a purely engineering standpoint - simple mechanical devices that need nothing more than the chemical energy contained in the powder to operate. This makes them user-serviceable for the owner willing to invest some time and effort into learning about their firearm. Which, in turn, feeds into the valuing of individual self-sufficiency. This trigger, by contrast, runs counter to that ideal, making the owner wholly dependent on the trigger manufacturer to keep their firearm operational (as well as needing access to a ready supply of electricity; grid down, anyone?).* *It's the firearms equivalent of cloud computing where you no longer own the software you purchase on a piece of physical media (CD, DVD, floppy, thumb drive, etc.) but are instead merely a renter paying a monthly or annual fee for the privilege of continuing to use the software you've already purchased. It removes the locus of control from the end-user and, instead, puts it in the hands of the manufacturer. I don't like where all of this could possibly lead, so I'll be passing on electronic triggers.*
The oryx looked to be pillar bedded not full aluminum bedded, I like it better than the current one, with the new stock you can use a cleaning rod without bending it. What next the owner has to wear a ring or chip implanted to activate the trigger. No thank you.
Maybe they purchased loyalty rights? MDT is expanding and they have a big manufacturing capabilities. It may be a partnership of some sort? Only speculating. MDT recently bought LRA
MDT didn't big money in shot show this year. Glad to see then make the commitment to the industry with such an impressive presence. The electronic trigger will be interesting. Have always thought that would be the direction of triggers. Could make the definition of a machine gun fair today in it's face with a simple software update!!! Love the concept and can't wait to see where it takes us in the future!!!!
Is it just me, but when he is demonstrating the reliability of a negligent discharge I don't hear the hammer drop both times when he pulls the trigger. I don't know about you but I won't trust an electronic trigger to proven mechanical triggers.
The trigger really shouldn't need to be charged with usb c since it's presumably such a low power system. Some kind of magnet and inductor pair that charges it with the movement of the bolt would probably supply more than enough power to never have to recharge the thing manually. I still think it'll sell, but relying on an exterior power supply when even red dots are moving away from having to replace the batteries seems like a missed opportunity!
Nope, nope, nope. Slowed the vid down and even played it through a sound analyzer. Trigger failed during the drop test demonstration. Nice try......but that's how negligent (not accidental) discharges' happen.
How high are you? So your here to argue this test when I was physically there.... ya dude get your spectrum analyzer and stick the test leads in your ear
Remington 700 EtronX, minus the specialty ammo/primers :)
Wonder if this mechanical/solenoid based solution has as fast a lock time?
Also, didn't hear a thorough response about the potential for ND. Dropsafe is easy on an electronic system, where the trigger itself is likely the only moving component and would just need to be counterweighted. The real question is how does it handle static/ESD, water/moisture intrusion, dirt/dust intrusion, etc. Is it based on a microswitch or Hall sensor? What's the battery chemistry?
So the gun industry doesn’t want smart guns, so what do they do? Produce an electric trigger that plays right into the smart gun lovers interests.
Didn’t think about that. Good point
EXACTLY! This ticks one of the boxes of what they want in a smart gun. Now, just add a biometric fingerprint reader linked to a lockout and - BAM! - the smart gun has arrived. This is a bad idea.
Apps can be Hacked. Registering them can bridge controls. Tink hoomin error by conscious intent. A contractor went to his bank to draw cash for pay the employees. Found out that his account was a million USD down. No one had any answers for him.
@@chunglow7646 Right...and the U.S. Government is actively planning to get rid of hard currency. Soon we are supposed to convert to 100% digital currency. BAD IDEA!
Electronic triggers have been around quite a while on pistols. One thing nice on the pistols is you could set them not to drop the firing pin so you could dry fire practice as much as you want.
Nice road trip. Thanks Kenny.
I can't find anything about their new Field chassis...when will it be available?!
Electronic Remington triggers did not gain market the first time. What makes them think it'll work now?
This just controls a latch that drops the firing pin. The ammo doesn't need to be different and it looks like it can be dropped into any normal rifle, it's totally different.
Thanks for covering this!
More electronic crap!!!Maybe put a GPS in the electronic trigger too...Big brother is loving it.
Lol and the device your typing on just reported everything to skynet
Добрый день интересно посмотреть на шасси от MDT для Anschutz. 1710,1907,1903 .Если будет возможность снимите видео 🤝
Thanks Kenny. Blessings
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the implications of an electronic trigger, and it's use cases. Granted, putting it on a bolt action Remington 700 isn't exactly the best demonstration. But, picture it on a bullpup. Where the trigger bar is close to a foot long, which creates a horrible sloppy trigger feel. Electronic trigger eliminates this problem.
Here's another fun use case - If the trigger is no longer using a traditional mechanical captured hammer and sear system, all it would take to convert an electronic trigger to full auto, 2 shot burst, 3 shot burst, 20 shot burst, whatever the hell you want, is a simple code injection. Untrackable, untraceable, infinitely customizable since it's no longer reliant on a physical lobe.
Food for thought.
Mdt seems to be moving away from what made them popular to begin with. Good products at affordable prices. They need to release more under the oryx brand. The field stock was supposed to be out under the oryx brand last year
That's Canada for you
I’m pretty sure that’s my Shooters Global timer. I guess MDT bought them?
My question is what does this E-trigger do/do better than my Bix-N-Andy/TT/Jewel? What is the point of it...I have yet to hear this answer. It had better be good for something for me to add another battery to the fleet.
I wonder if it will work with their new app and track shots.....Kinda a way to track more data with the shot timer.
Since I have slight experience with installing many triggers and setting them using a dvorak trigger scan. Traditional sear engaged triggers can vary its lock time when temperatures fluctuate adding and decreasing lock time as well as its pressure curve to release the sear. This can result in accuracy loss.
An electronic trigger like this which uses a high rate solenoid will have zero change regardless of weather change and lock timing will be instantaneous. Eletronic triggers have been around for a couple of decades in the rail gun benchrest world for this reason
@@EagleEyeShooting thanks for your insight!
*Here are my misgivings regarding the electronic trigger:*
*1. What happens if it gets wet (say, while out hunting)? Shorts out? Stops working? Or, worse, closes contacts and spontaneously fires.*
*2. What happens if it gets near strong electromagnetic fields?*
*3. Very likely there will be no user-serviceable parts. Even trying to service it yourself will probably void your warranty. No easy fix should it stop working short of replacing it with another trigger. Compare this to a mechanical trigger where - in a pinch - an owner equipped with a few basic tools could probably return the trigger to service; at least long enough until they could replace it.*
*4. Could likely be modded to go full-auto. Not that I'm against that, but expect ATF to be all over this thing for that reason.*
*5. Furthers the slippery slope of the electronic gun that some anti-gun states have been pushing for. They want a firearm that is electronic and combined with a biometric reader so the owner and **_only_** the owner can fire it. Was scoffed at a few years back as a pipe dream, a ridiculous suggestion in no small part because the technology for it didn't exist back then. Well guess what? Put a fingerprint reader on this trigger linked to a lockout and - BOOM! - you've got exactly what the anti-gunners were proposing back then. I don't like giving the opposition ammunition to use against us.*
*6. I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to have some sort of override installed where police or government agents could push a button and - ZAP! - the trigger stops working. It may not come out the gate to market that way, but don't be surprised if some anti-gun jurisdictions jump at the chance to require such overrides be installed for these triggers to be allowed to be sold in their city/county/state.*
*I love innovation and technological advancements that bring measurable functional improvement to the table. This, however, seems like a solution in search of a problem that is already solved trough no shortage of fine mechanical triggers already on the market. I don't really see this having much application outside of benchrest. Of course, benchrest should have access to their own sport-specific toys, too. But for the general market? Ummm...nah, I don't see it gaining wide adoption.*
*Lastly, part of the appeal of firearms is they are - from a purely engineering standpoint - simple mechanical devices that need nothing more than the chemical energy contained in the powder to operate. This makes them user-serviceable for the owner willing to invest some time and effort into learning about their firearm. Which, in turn, feeds into the valuing of individual self-sufficiency. This trigger, by contrast, runs counter to that ideal, making the owner wholly dependent on the trigger manufacturer to keep their firearm operational (as well as needing access to a ready supply of electricity; grid down, anyone?).*
*It's the firearms equivalent of cloud computing where you no longer own the software you purchase on a piece of physical media (CD, DVD, floppy, thumb drive, etc.) but are instead merely a renter paying a monthly or annual fee for the privilege of continuing to use the software you've already purchased. It removes the locus of control from the end-user and, instead, puts it in the hands of the manufacturer. I don't like where all of this could possibly lead, so I'll be passing on electronic triggers.*
The oryx looked to be pillar bedded not full aluminum bedded, I like it better than the current one, with the new stock you can use a cleaning rod without bending it. What next the owner has to wear a ring or chip implanted to activate the trigger. No thank you.
The oryx is a full aluminum chassis with over molding as its always been. The new XRS is the same
Thanks for showing us what MDT is offering this year Kenny. That’s a nice shirt that you and the young lady are wearing 👍
Shot show without a signature? 😂😂😂 that stock is more in my price range. 👍
What's the name of that rifle stock and when it will be available?
How is their shot timer not copyright infringement of the Shooters Global Shot timer? Its identical
Maybe they purchased loyalty rights? MDT is expanding and they have a big manufacturing capabilities. It may be a partnership of some sort? Only speculating. MDT recently bought LRA
Grab me an elite while your there Kenny 🤣🤣🤣
Is the trigger only for bolt action?
MDT is getting it done. Thank you, Kenny.
Can you program those triggers for 3 round bursts?:)
🤣 was wondering the same
Its quite possible but not in this set up.
What do you charge the new MDT Electronic trigger with--- Co2 ???
No, its electronic. Charges with USB-C
@@EagleEyeShooting Cool
Nice👍👍
Didn’t look like the trigger survived the drop test!
As I was there. Your making assumptions
MDT didn't big money in shot show this year. Glad to see then make the commitment to the industry with such an impressive presence. The electronic trigger will be interesting. Have always thought that would be the direction of triggers. Could make the definition of a machine gun fair today in it's face with a simple software update!!! Love the concept and can't wait to see where it takes us in the future!!!!
Kool 💯👍🏻✌🏻
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Great now Elon musk will control my trigger
Why would I ever put that on any rifle?
Information without the "little girl giggles"...much like good...
Yerp, I see it now , half way through a shoot it fails , flat battery, no thanks, ill stick to mechanical ones thanks , remington had one years ago
Macanical?
@@jimklemens5018 machanical
@@anthonybending2687 What is that word?
Mechanical
@@jimklemens5018 mechanical
Is it just me, but when he is demonstrating the reliability of a negligent discharge I don't hear the hammer drop both times when he pulls the trigger. I don't know about you but I won't trust an electronic trigger to proven mechanical triggers.
The trigger reset both times as I was there. Audio may not have picked it up
The trigger really shouldn't need to be charged with usb c since it's presumably such a low power system. Some kind of magnet and inductor pair that charges it with the movement of the bolt would probably supply more than enough power to never have to recharge the thing manually. I still think it'll sell, but relying on an exterior power supply when even red dots are moving away from having to replace the batteries seems like a missed opportunity!
Hard pass on trigger. Cant wait for shot timer
Terrible idea to have an electric trigger… they should learn some lessons from Daystate. That trigger has multiple reports of failing.
Nope, nope, nope. Slowed the vid down and even played it through a sound analyzer. Trigger failed during the drop test demonstration. Nice try......but that's how negligent (not accidental) discharges' happen.
How high are you? So your here to argue this test when I was physically there.... ya dude get your spectrum analyzer and stick the test leads in your ear