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'inability to adapt"......picture of a guy with a bucket of signature picks through several seasons and metas in them. riven,zed,ryze,galio,leblanc. imo only now he slowed down a bit, playing mid lane at the highest level with several metas in a season for as long as Faker, thats a heck of a run.
yea it's so crazy to me, what part of inability to adapt correlates to faker, this guy plays assasins, control mages, tanks, bruisers, support mages all in the mid lane throughout his entire career, he's been here since s3 and has been adapting to different metas throught the season winning 3 world titles and 9 lck titles
Faker's LB went vs AN ENTIRE TEAM DRAFTED TO COUNTER ONLY him and HE STILL ended 4/1/7, hard carrying his failing team mates. This is the game you people chose to cite as an example of LoL pros 'inability to adapt'.. Especially when he went on to to win 2 more world championships after that. Irdk what to say.. That was probably worse than showing DL as an example for 'mechanical gods from other regions'.. SMH
Sadly they do not put the person who is speaking on the thumbprint, every time I see this guy or hear his voice, I just give up with the video, he has not made 1 good video imo. He is the yellow news of eSports. Also, he speaks so slowly that it is irritating to listen to him.
Exactly this I got kinda annoyed that he had the balls to say that faker didn't adapt. The whole enemy team was drafted to counter faker le blank . I think that was disrespectful.
He acted so so REKKLESSly that I have trouble believe that teams will put a CAPS on it. His PERKZ no longer outweight his COMPS. He needs to HANS SAMA respect and stop being so CARRZY and UPSET. He completely missed his CROWNing SHOT and ZVEN FREEZEd up his future. Teams will BVOY him, it's not a matter of FORG1VEN. PATRIK Thank you I'll be here all week
I think it was more of a nod to EDG adapting to Faker and baiting him into the LB pick, having the Morgana counter prepared. Faker played well, but he was put into a situation where he simply couldn't leverage his skill enough to carry. They showed the clip while Forgiven was talking about how you either adapt or you die. So I think that was a good example of EDG adapting to pull out the victory, while SKT deciding to stick to their style and failing.
@@Archangel591 He was still ahead of the Harvard grad though lmao. But in all seriousness...i totally get what you're saying and agree. This kinda blew up more than I thought it would.
Theyre using a game where they crafted a team to counter fakers LeBlanc only for him to still go 4-2 with 300 cs. Did he lose the game or did his team fail him, this isnt solo que where "carry harder" is applicable everybody on your team has to step up.
He was not wrong about S04 though. There's no doubt in my mind that they didn't listen to what he had to say. They didn't improve or change at all during the spring spilt. They were consistently shit. Like, it wasn't until they started their miracle run that they actually changed anything. Forg1ven might still be a toxic player, but S04's inability to win surely had nothing to do with him.
Still i watched all so4 games with forgiven and he was not the reason they were losing those games for sure.They did not had good synergy and Dreems chocked realy realy hard not to mention if you guys remember their debut game their jungle or mid dont remember threw big times almost on purpose
Damn man seeing forgiven so close to tears still hits as hard as back then. Rip Forgivens career, he ruined it on his own but he was still one of the greats for sure, too passionate for his own good
@@papatzis4032 he refused every offer, blamed and trashtalked his teammates and when his team was at its lowest point he refused to play. So he got kicked from the team, no other team ever wanted him, they got a different adc on that team and started improving. Seemed like forgiven really had a bad effect and was actually dragging the team down with his behavior and attitude
that definitely hurts to see. i was born in a country that requires military service due to politics and its a heart breaking process. especially seeing people required to serve for 1.5 years when they are in a field that only has a short span (ex. gaming, professional sports) it can be devastating. good to see at least he got to go to worlds, and be 1 in a group before going to the army. its amazing how fast this game changes during 1 season, let alone military service.
Undeaniable the most talented ADC ever seen in the West, sad that circumstances and his big ego didn't let him cement his throne at the top, but noone can disprove the fact that he was passionate and demolished every and any competition, even in the world stage. Literally every single game at worlds he pulled a cait ban, and the 1 game he didn't it had the highlight you saw.
James Artemio you and the other guy clearly know nothing. He was the best ADC in the west by far. If you refuse to acknowledge that, then you are just in denial. Your idiotic comment about even putting sneaky above him just speaks ignorance. He was literally the Western Uzi, and that's why the comparison is made. He is one of the reasons why Rekkles is even considered one of the best ADCs in Europe today, as he forced the region to become better to step up to be able to compete against him in lane. But go ahead and compare him to a subpar competition in another region.
Lamb he was good for one year and you think he’s all that. You’re basing your opinion on potential. Where is he at now? He dominated a western scene that was way inferior to other world talents. And don’t talk about his worlds run. Weakest groups of the tournament and was lucky enough to get the wildcard in the quarterfinals, only to get swept in the semis. He hasn’t won anything in his career and that tells a lot. Rekkles was his only competition. EU is not famous on adc during their time so how much competition did he really have
@@zabloin That's not how it works in professional games though! Look at Forg1ven and look at Dardoch! Noone wanted to play with them. No matter how good you are on your own, at the end, League of Legends is a team game. If your own team doesn't feel comfortable enough around you, how are you going to bond as a team? If you can't adapt on the playstyle your team is most comfortable at, then maybe you are the problem and not them. And you can clearly see that with Schalke04, how they started stomping everyone when Forg1ven left and after playing together for a while with their current team, they became stronger!
As you said the issue with forgiven was always his ego, he was one of the true carries once the game was more about "if your carry gets feed you win", when riot move the game to be more team reliant forgiven had nothing to do but adapt and that's where he failed.
Yeah, showing that LeBlanc pick as a sign of Faker being "not flexable" was really wrong. The pick worked fine and Faker has always had a huge champion pool. He simply couldn't carry a diminished team over the finish line against strong competition.
The best adc i've ever watched. This dude was STYLING with that graves. The rework and his short champion pool killed him. I remember teams banning Lucian, Graves and Caitlyn and destroying SK.
Koo tigers first did it in mid reason invitational against sk back in 2015 and after that all the teams adopted the strategy..but honestly it wasn't forgivens fault for sk's falling..
Forg1ven is big ego you think he would be accepting a bottom tier team invitation? He doesnt need that.. But imagine zven throwing yet another playoffs/finals as last year and c9 pickup forg1ven poggers
Probably one of the first players from Europe who was able to compite toe to toe with Asian players in his role. He wasnt only the best adc in Europe, he also was probably one of the best adc in the world at his peak
I Feel Like Forgiven would have been smurfing in the league with this current meta since Caitlyn is the best ADC. Or teams would ban it every game and he'd get stomped
Thing is Caitlyn was his signature pick simply because she's the n1 adc to stomp lane with. He would do that with any adc it's just that as caitlyn it would be easier and more impactful on the game. Now the meta has finally shifted towards adcs in the sense that it's more balanced than ever and a mechanically gifted adc can outplay assassins and actually kill tanks so smurfing or not he sure would be fun to watch nowadays.
John Sar Holy shit it really isn’t. ADC consistently deals most damage alongside mid. Plus, popular contested picks include Cait, Ashe, Ez, Senna. ADC is absolutely strong
Well if you want to be a pro player on the big stage you dont have a choice. You represent the community whether you want it or not so if youre a toxic dickhead you need to keep that to yourself, otherwise teams and the league as a whole will drop you, doesnt matter how good you are.
@@megalul4141 Having slowed it down to 0.25. Draken didn't unscope and didn't move until after the shot was fired, which was right on crush. That absolutely should have hit.
just a little mistake in the video, the clip used in 0:44 where you say the inability to adapt to the meta can be devastating, you showed a clip of faker picking Leblanc, at that time LeBlanc was one of the strongest champs in competitive, hence why faker literally had 0 losses on the champ in his entire career at that time. However the enemy counterpicked it with, Morgana which is a known hardcounter to Leb. There is no correlation ob "inability to adapt to the meta" and that clip. But I guess every video of yours needs a mandatory faker clip so whatever.
@@hansmaier7203 clearly u havent been playing league that long, there was a good 2-3 years where forg1ven was trashing rekkles, he was by far the best adc in europe before he left, caps and perkz came in after forg1ven left
When u have such a good mechanical and skilled ad carry player like forg1ven, u are forced to play around him... His passion for League of Legends doesnt only builds his ego but he makes him a strong winning condition... Although he had this much ego, he proved that he is one of the best adc's world has ever seen... Much love Κώστα
bro I'm not joking, i got tears on my eyes when he had to go to the army. bro imagine your fucking one and only reason to leave bed, what makes your blood run, being taken away from you with no chance for you to deny it... God that fucking sucks. I know he's an asshole but he's a fucking insane player and nobody deserves that shit. poor dude
How did u make it so most achievements he had are to be looked at with an asterisk, while the failures are wholly explained by his attitude? I get you are trying to make this interesting first and foremost, but such a black and white narrative about Forg1ven's career is superficially true at best. In every other team sport, managers/coaches and staff on competitive teams are evaluated by the ability to form tactically solid squads, develop talented players and MANAGE THE EGOS OF SUPERSTARS. Somehow, in League, this is completely missing or rather is viewed by the community in a sense that the "toxicity" in a player INHERENTLY causes worse team performance. In my opinion, it is the failure to integrate such players into a productive team environment that causes most of the actual gameplay-related issues. Of course, the player also plays a role in that and rightfully doesn't get away with it for free, but a giant part of the blame has to be put on the org for failing to integrate the talent they brought in by choice. In Forg1ven's case, up until Spring 2020, his upside "by far" outweighed his downsides and he should have been an even more defining figure for European League. Instead, most orgs have not learned from H2K's success that year and many talented "toxic" players aren't even given chances by teams to this day. Why was only H2K really able to use the rigid and toxic talent? It was emphasized that he did not change his attitude no matter what while moving teams, so how did so many fail and one beat EDG? That would be, in my opinion, a great angle for a more detailed view of what Forg1ven's legacy in League is.
Thats a really good point. To me the problem is the LOL league is young, and adapated quickly to the "current trends of things" *kof* SJW *kof* . "Toxicity," which can be perceived as player's own ego and competitiveness has and will always exists in every sports. But League decided really fast to condamn these type of behavior because the "current trends of things" is all about being polite, showing respect, being kind and working hard. You can just take the NBA for exemple, the Nba is like 70+ years old, and back in the days, players were fighting each other on the court, they were taunting, they were even punching the referees sometimes, => they were showing human emotions linked to their competitiveness, willing to win and egos. Now its all bland, because of certain movements that deny these type of behaviors. Nowadays everytime a player show a little bit of frustration towards the refs, his teammates or an opponent, they get Fouled Out + they get finned. Everything is getting bland and talented player that can't keep their emotions/toxicity in check are just eliminated from the game. As Forgiven said, you have to adapt or die. Is it for the better or for the worst? I don't know, you decide.
Working with a player like forg1ven would be hell for any team. When you have a team, you have sponsors, you have a roster that you have to rely on, you have payments to make etc so you want things to be as stable as possible. Since you mentioned H2K, I believe they did nothing more than just tolerate a time bomb that was at the top of his game at the time. They also had a very strong roster so chances were that forg1ven would not get mad over his teammates as he was known for. But, it is one thing being competitive and another thing destroying a team from the inside with your toxic personality (schalke). Let's hypothesize that, right now, forg1ven is a better add than Perkz. Even jankos, his former teammate would chose Perkz over him every time. You know why? Because he knows that in teams things don't always go your way. There are ups and downs even for the best of the best and forg1ven isn't a guy to have around when the team is in its downs.
This is true for ALL SPORTS. You win by managing the ego's. This happened in overwatch with siinatra as the coaching staff was able to stop his ego from impacting the team so much as to ruin their game. I also would like to say that you should adjust to your players strengths. Look at tsm in siege. They play aggressive, they rush, they force fights. If you want another comparison look at G2 in LOL. The coaches adapted to the roster and made the team great by creating strats that take advantage of all the talents. Meanwhile they were able to stop the ego of some players getting the better of them. Fog1ven could fit the system i am describing. One that holds his ego back and in turn takes advantage of his talent and builds around it. This basic idea can be seen all around sports.
Interesting take. I think this is very true, though even in conventional sports, when it gets to some point it is no longer the organizations fault. See NFL players like Antonio Brown during his blow up or in the NBA you could show how Rajon Rondo has hard time staying on a team. As a professional player, you can have a large ego (and many of the best players did), such as Randy Moss or Allen Iversen. But you better back it up by playing really damn well. The second you fall off, no one is going to have your side.
5:25 Why show this play? Forgiven played this pretty bad honestly. Hit with Corki Q that could've been avoided, Thresh flay and death sentence. nRated showing up with the double stun on Annie won that fight, not Forgiven.
I think the point of the clips were that forg1ven is a very aggressive player who takes high risk plays. The clip at 5:25 would've been bad if they lost it, but they didn't, so it paid off. Less about the technical ability for that clip, and more about the risk-reward assessment.
@@cereszin Neymar is so overrated though prime example of his uselessness was the UCL finals. He gave away the possession countless times because he wanted to dribble the German defense. (+All the theatrical foul falls but he wasn't the only one doing that so that's not only his fault)
Ive been a forg1ven fun since he was playing on local greek tournaments in 2012..I immediately realised he had a very bright future in this game and he proved it... Forg1ven at his peak was on Uzi's level. He definetely paid tribute to the evolution of this game.. Im pretty sure that he is still top level if he's competing on a team with will to win..tho,his lack of flexibility was clearly shown.. Bakc in the beggining of the split senna aphelios was perma botlane picked for every team every game and he was playing picks like xayah... By any means i dont criticise it that badly because sometimes a comfort pick gives more value than an OP one, but for a player at his prestige and his competitive spirit i would expect him to put more effort to master them
@@Crypted542 I understand my friend.. What I tried saying is that he never got the credit he deserved... Forg1ven has always been so aggressive adc, winning botlane most of the time even with losing match ups putting more pressure than a casual pro adc on the enemy team.. Mechanically I think uzi was better and overall perhaps better.. But forgiven was the king of botlane without playing with insane supports ever in his career.. Vander was a good one.Just good and look what they achieved. if only they could sign perhaps a Korean support to play with forgiven back then I don't wanna imagine what that would mean for eu
Few people know what kind of pressure Konstantinos Forg1ven had to face as a child, even from his own family, not to deal with gaming at the expense of his edugation and his future. This video can only capture a little of the reality he experienced. His road to top was full of obstacles from the beginning. He overcame all, cause he did what he loved most ... no help from anywhere. He trained alone in a country with no pro teams for endless hours in front of a pc screen sacrificing everything else. He found his way to Europe alone. He came from nowhere to reach almost the top of the world. Always alone but always armed with two weapons: His will & his love for what he did. He NEVER retreated, he NEVER compromised. He was himself and he remained himself. He did NOT blur, he did not change, he did not back down. He was not interested in liking to people & teams, but only what he considered right by setting higher goals in every step he took. The very good was never good enough for him. And that was his difference from teammates and teams he had to deal. Yes it's difficult to coordinate with such person. When he presses himself so hard, it's expected to ask more from the others. But cause of him, Europe went to a higher level. He was honest maybe the hard way, but honest. He indelibly carved his own path in LOL and became a legend because he was simply real. That's Forg1ven for some who really know him since child & that's the difference between those who think they know him. (sorry about my possible mistakes in English)
Its kinda sad because forg1ven can really thrive in current meta. Lane dominant adcs like cait and jhin are strong and teams play around bot for drake soul so he could fit perfectly
he wouldnt. when aphelios and senna were at peak he played them and showed poor performance. both adc required multple nerfs until they became "good adc" and not "super good". if he couldnt perform in those champs when they were instawin almost, i dont see how good he could do now.
The only reason why his carreer never popped off was because of his supps. Forgiven was playing the most aggressive way i had ever seen. Each single time i was watching his games i knew shit would get real. He is a really good guy and im sad he is actually getting older and older i don't think he will ever pop off his carrer nowadays but god damn he was a legend personally. Also it is nice to mention that his playstyle would be tier1 back then with the meta we have now.
hey bud you got the season mix up, schalke bench forgiven in spring split they made the playoff in the summer two completely different split and also skalke was like 0-8 before they started to make a come back after doing multiple roster change for summer.
FORG1VEN: High risk high reward pick for a team, If you can accept his toxicity and make chemistry as a team you will be successful the other way Is to have a botlane that can only farm and stand behind the frontline without putting impact in the game. And FORG1VEN wasn't a promise that never happened, It happened and the whole League Planet remembers It...''By Far'' the best European ADC Ευχαριστούμε που μας έκανες περήφανους καραφλέ Pepega.
my favorite adc ever... love him sadly hes toxic and people hated him cause of that, but i remember his amazing plays on graves and lucian omg that was the reason that i watch proplay today
It’s so weird how people in pro league name “toxicity” the will to excel at all costs, extreme competitiveness and trash talking. Yes he is kind toxic but these attributes are not. Yamato saying that if you pick him up you set a bad example is by far stupid. If forgiven was a basketball or football player his mentality would be considered elite
Most mechanical player in other regions then proceeds to show the next best possible candidate for an ego implosion who does not want to adapt and wants the team to be centered around him. Very subtle.
Κανείς δν είπε ότι είναι κακός άνθρωπος ρ, απλά όταν είσαι επαγγελματίας παίκτης, δν γίνεται να τιλτάρεις γτ η μπάλα παίρνει όλη την ομάδα και ρίχνεις το ηθικό. Και εγώ πολλές φορές έχω τσακωθεί με φίλους σε ranked, αλλά μετά πάμε για καφέ και τα ξεχνάμε.Αυτοί όμως μένουν μαζί και προπονούνται όλη μέρα, δεν μπορούν να το ανέχονται καθημερινά.
Ναι ρίχνει 50 kicks και Μπάνς το λεπτο, αν δεν συμφωνεί μαζί του...όχι σε τρολς, όχι σε καφρους, απλά σε όποιον διαφωνεί.... Χέσε με...σκέψου με τους συμπαίκτες τι θα κανε
I will support what Vander says..."FORG1VEN didnt play for 5 months before carrying H2K...he can be good whenever he wants to"...I saw him play LOL with his friend Pun1sher a couple days ago..and he did many outplays...As Rekkles says FORG1VEN and UZI was the most difficult opponent he played with..I wish S04 good luck but i continue to believe that they are a bad team...Hope FORG1VEN come back to LEC with a better team,more friendly and less toxic...For me he will be the best ADC BY FAR...
If you want to win and be the best this is the kind of attitude you need to have , people may not like it but its ok if you are the best , your team may not like it but its ok if you are the best. So the only flaw i see in all this is that at the time he joined shalke he was not at his top form he needed to give himself and his team time. To do that he had to drop his attitude until he was the best again , he did not so naturally he left. But he was by far the most satisfying adc to watch , the way he stomped every lane was amazing , i have not seen any other adc play like that.
truth be told, abbedagge and gilius hard griefed every single game in that split. i dont get why people blame forgiven for a tweet while his team lead the whole fanbase to believe that he was the reason that schalcke fucked up the season. i also dont get how lane dominance on bot is a bad thing, especially in a dragon based meta where bot wins the game alongside the jungle. i just think people try to make him the bad guy for some reason. forg1ven is still the best adc to ever play on the stage by far.
@@SerenityJayne I agree up to a point though, when you have someone bad in your team (or they just have a bad game) its really difficult to have fun when the opponent is really ahead and you get oneshot or you cant kill him, hope you understand
In my 7+ years YT career I always watched to see the best videos and be on top of the news. As of now at least, current team doesn't fit this principle. theScore esports is unable/unwilling to make changes to fit this goal, so we mutually agreed I stop watching until they are willing to do so I mean holy fuck this is a LoL video and there is no Faker/Ryu clip? WTF?
He is a good and competitive player, and because his recent team just didn't want to win as much as he did, they weren't as dedicated, he is the villain of this story? Damn y'all are soft asf
I have had the pleasure of playing with this guy in soloque many times. Not that I am hating but he was a lot more toxic to random people than you may think. But yes, he was a good player, however with a shitty attitude.
The truth about Forgiven is that as arogant he seems to be, he is NOT a bad guy. I happen to meet him and have known him for some time. I can tell you he is just too straight forward and doesn't "coat" his words in brighter colours as we all do. He knows his value as a player and he's proved it to be quite high.
Forgiven was a Solo Queue player playing on the LCS. That's all. Also, the video skipped over why he was benched from Origen... Not many people know this but Forgiven came from a CS background. So, at the time he got to Origen, OverWatch had launched and he was CONVINCED it's gonna be the next big thing on e-sports so he skipped skrims with the team to get better on OverWatch... Aaaaand, that didn't sit well with the team. So they benched and released him. Talking about professionalism....!!
Sounds like Forgiven was egocentric, narrow-minded, a poor teammate, and a nightmare to coach. Yikes. Gotta disagree with you at the end, there - no, I do NOT have to respect that.
As mentioned in the Video: there's no world any player, coach or other person involved in staff of a team is willing to play with him... We all know what happened with him playing on Schalke.
@@stauroschronopoulos7409 wow. Didn't know about that one. Still think none of the LEC teams would be willing to pick him up. Unless he'd show a performance peak and most importantly a truly better treatment of his mates. I wouldn't call playing "only" in the Greek League a real comeback, but thats purely up to interpretation
@@Finn_smk I mean forg1ven realises his career is fucked up, but due to to pun1sher (popular Greek streamer and player in high elo euw and midlander for intrepid fox team in Greece) forg1ven may join this team because pun1sher and him are very good friends. They have been teasing it in stream but nothing is certain yet, but it is highly possible. Keep in mind Greeks still support forg1ven and this is his only opportunity he's gonna get, if this happens intrepid fox could do very good in eum and show forg1vens true potential.
@@stauroschronopoulos7409 Its not even confirmed it was just a joke between them and the stream. If you just look at his opgg he is just playing arams
Not really. Both those guys had huge egos and put the team on their back more often than not, but they respected skilled teammates and coaches. And they were their own biggest critic. If they noticed something lacking in their play, you bet your ass they would spend 18 hours a day the next off-season (and the off-season after that...and the one after that if necessary) to fix that weakness. They were assholes, sure. But they always led by example.
@@Todesschleicher eh Jordan had the talent to back it up. Kobe worked hard at his craft but he couldn't hard carry his team. He was highly inefficient as a player and a nightmare teammate. Jordan was a nightmare too but he at least could hard carry. People will excuse your asshole-ness when you're as good as Jordan. Kobe, I mean his ego drove Shaq off the team to Miami. Even when Kobe passed away, Shaq's speech had a joke about Kobe never passing the ball and he tried to talk to Kobe and the coach about it and Kobe was like "fuck you". Also to be clear, I don't think just because Jordan had the skills to carry, it gives him the right to bully and treat people like assholes.
@@tgo007 Jordan always respected individuals with talent whether it was enemy or teammate. The trashtalk was mostly part of the beef the era packed. Pippen proved that you can earn his respect through dedication and hard work. Kobe was a carry just not as hard of a carry as Jordan and his attitude was for his own self motivation, not to make excuses. You didnt see Jordan nor Kobe give an interview and say my team sucked so we lost. Never. On the topic of forg1ven, he was an amazing player in both mechanics and depth of ingame knowledge. I happened to lane vs him a couple of times and felt it firsthand. Unfortunately his attitude was non justifiable for a person of this caliber, doing more moral damage to those around him than good and eventually put all the burden of them underperforming on himself to lift, which he couldnt do. All you can say about him in the end of the day is "Wasted talent". Yes you can say he went to world etc etc but he could do so much more if he kept himself in check. Unfortunate rly.
So what do you think? Is this the last we've seen of FORG1VEN? Or will he end up playing in another region?
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Make Eternal Envy of dota 2 the most skilled player just like Forgiven he is also cursed
What song is playing at 14:50?
I think the fact that he had to join the armed forces for sometime played a much more important role in his downfall than his attitude lol
I think he will play another game
He is playing every day with the greek streamer pun1sher and i think he will make a contract with INTREPID FOX
"The inability to adapt" Shows faker.
"Mechanically gifted superstars from other regions" Shows Doublelift. Lmao.
Ikr
'inability to adapt"......picture of a guy with a bucket of signature picks through several seasons and metas in them.
riven,zed,ryze,galio,leblanc.
imo only now he slowed down a bit, playing mid lane at the highest level with several metas in a season for as long as Faker, thats a heck of a run.
yea it's so crazy to me, what part of inability to adapt correlates to faker, this guy plays assasins, control mages, tanks, bruisers, support mages all in the mid lane throughout his entire career, he's been here since s3 and has been adapting to different metas throught the season winning 3 world titles and 9 lck titles
That and the draft against Faker was made to specifically shut down a Leblanc.
Andrew Peters plus it’s not like faker is saying “I am playing Leblanc”. He surely has a say in it, but the coach is making that call.
Never thought Steve Jobs was once a popular player in e sports
vsauce
Passoinate Pioneers of their craft, toxic asshats to their colleagues.
Except this Steve Jobs didn't have cancer.. He WAS the cancer.
Yes he looks like Steve jobs
homeless steve jobs 😂
Faker's LB went vs AN ENTIRE TEAM DRAFTED TO COUNTER ONLY him and HE STILL ended 4/1/7, hard carrying his failing team mates.
This is the game you people chose to cite as an example of LoL pros 'inability to adapt'..
Especially when he went on to to win 2 more world championships after that.
Irdk what to say..
That was probably worse than showing DL as an example for 'mechanical gods from other regions'..
SMH
Sadly they do not put the person who is speaking on the thumbprint, every time I see this guy or hear his voice, I just give up with the video, he has not made 1 good video imo. He is the yellow news of eSports.
Also, he speaks so slowly that it is irritating to listen to him.
2/5 top
0/4 jungle
2/6 adc
1/8 support
My typical soloQ team
Exactly this I got kinda annoyed that he had the balls to say that faker didn't adapt. The whole enemy team was drafted to counter faker le blank . I think that was disrespectful.
Doublelift is a mechanical God lol
and he still could’ve went well and refused to adapt what kind of logic is this
Will he ever be Forgiven?
He will be forgotten now
No
He acted so so REKKLESSly that I have trouble believe that teams will put a CAPS on it. His PERKZ no longer outweight his COMPS. He needs to HANS SAMA respect and stop being so CARRZY and UPSET. He completely missed his CROWNing SHOT and ZVEN FREEZEd up his future. Teams will BVOY him, it's not a matter of FORG1VEN. PATRIK
Thank you I'll be here all week
@@leongrden8112 hell no
@@tuotuolu2805 i need you in my life
I guess being an ADC main does cause hair loss
Sht im scared now
try being a jungler main
Severe stress like pep guardiola hahahah
@@pietropaolocavuoti8165 facts
Pietro Paolo Cavuoti I came here to say something regarding jg as well lmfaoo
Δεν πίστευα ότι θα έβλεπα ποτέ Faker και αρχηγό στο ίδιο βίντεο.
IK MLK APAPAPAP O FORGIVEN
Mentioning Faker on Leblanc probably wasn't the best considering he was literally doing his best to solo carry that game lol
Yeah but he lost that game
I think it was more of a nod to EDG adapting to Faker and baiting him into the LB pick, having the Morgana counter prepared. Faker played well, but he was put into a situation where he simply couldn't leverage his skill enough to carry. They showed the clip while Forgiven was talking about how you either adapt or you die. So I think that was a good example of EDG adapting to pull out the victory, while SKT deciding to stick to their style and failing.
@@Archangel591 He was still ahead of the Harvard grad though lmao. But in all seriousness...i totally get what you're saying and agree. This kinda blew up more than I thought it would.
Theyre using a game where they crafted a team to counter fakers LeBlanc only for him to still go 4-2 with 300 cs. Did he lose the game or did his team fail him, this isnt solo que where "carry harder" is applicable everybody on your team has to step up.
Yeah and just like forgiven he wasn’t good enough.
Video about the Schalke miracle run? :D
After they won worlds.
@@ArmoredPandaa they already won
Just watch C9 2018, better story and higher ceiling.
@blip blop Lol, you think odoamne, gilius on the same team is underdog?
Daryl Magbanua you clearly did not watch any LEC this year if you’re saying that.
Should have mentioned Schalke's miracle run that happened without Forg1ven.
God Gilius, "Faker" Abbedage and best top lane Odoamne
@@pepekingofdrill you mean "Oh-Damne"? Cuz the plays...
He was not wrong about S04 though. There's no doubt in my mind that they didn't listen to what he had to say. They didn't improve or change at all during the spring spilt. They were consistently shit. Like, it wasn't until they started their miracle run that they actually changed anything. Forg1ven might still be a toxic player, but S04's inability to win surely had nothing to do with him.
@@hampustornros Hey, I was wondering how does one achieve the levels of delusion you have reached?
Still i watched all so4 games with forgiven and he was not the reason they were losing those games for sure.They did not had good synergy and Dreems chocked realy realy hard not to mention if you guys remember their debut game their jungle or mid dont remember threw big times almost on purpose
Damn man seeing forgiven so close to tears still hits as hard as back then. Rip Forgivens career, he ruined it on his own but he was still one of the greats for sure, too passionate for his own good
What happened could you tell me
@@papatzis4032 he refused every offer, blamed and trashtalked his teammates and when his team was at its lowest point he refused to play. So he got kicked from the team, no other team ever wanted him, they got a different adc on that team and started improving. Seemed like forgiven really had a bad effect and was actually dragging the team down with his behavior and attitude
@@SuluXuluS bro what team is he playing at right now?
@@eraae7439 he doesn't play Pro anymore he's a streamer now
that definitely hurts to see.
i was born in a country that requires military service due to politics and its a heart breaking process.
especially seeing people required to serve for 1.5 years when they are in a field that only has a short span (ex. gaming, professional sports) it can be devastating.
good to see at least he got to go to worlds, and be 1 in a group before going to the army.
its amazing how fast this game changes during 1 season, let alone military service.
The level he was at at this one playstyle was insane. Something comparable was never seen before and will most likely never be seen again
What a weird choice of tone to mock Forg1ven's army letter moment when it was one of the saddest moments in the entire EULCS history...
facts
Seriously
Glad someone mentioned it
Yeah that rubbed me the wrong way
Ngl I didn’t hear anything approaching mocking when they discussed that
Undeaniable the most talented ADC ever seen in the West, sad that circumstances and his big ego didn't let him cement his throne at the top, but noone can disprove the fact that he was passionate and demolished every and any competition, even in the world stage. Literally every single game at worlds he pulled a cait ban, and the 1 game he didn't it had the highlight you saw.
Most talented? Hell no.
Most talented lol. I would even pick sneaky before I even think of picking forg1ven
James Artemio you and the other guy clearly know nothing. He was the best ADC in the west by far. If you refuse to acknowledge that, then you are just in denial. Your idiotic comment about even putting sneaky above him just speaks ignorance. He was literally the Western Uzi, and that's why the comparison is made. He is one of the reasons why Rekkles is even considered one of the best ADCs in Europe today, as he forced the region to become better to step up to be able to compete against him in lane. But go ahead and compare him to a subpar competition in another region.
@@jamesartemio1312 At his peak LS described Forgiven as the best ADC in the world pre 8 mins and Top 5 afterwards
Lamb he was good for one year and you think he’s all that. You’re basing your opinion on potential. Where is he at now? He dominated a western scene that was way inferior to other world talents. And don’t talk about his worlds run. Weakest groups of the tournament and was lucky enough to get the wildcard in the quarterfinals, only to get swept in the semis. He hasn’t won anything in his career and that tells a lot. Rekkles was his only competition. EU is not famous on adc during their time so how much competition did he really have
One of the most special players in League - by far.
One of the most toxic players ever
@@3312-q2e toxic players dont ruin games only bad players do; jahseh'
@@zabloin nah, toxic players ruin games, we can have elo to deal with most of the skill imbalances
you dont know sardoche the roi du sel
@@zabloin That's not how it works in professional games though! Look at Forg1ven and look at Dardoch! Noone wanted to play with them. No matter how good you are on your own, at the end, League of Legends is a team game. If your own team doesn't feel comfortable enough around you, how are you going to bond as a team? If you can't adapt on the playstyle your team is most comfortable at, then maybe you are the problem and not them. And you can clearly see that with Schalke04, how they started stomping everyone when Forg1ven left and after playing together for a while with their current team, they became stronger!
As you said the issue with forgiven was always his ego, he was one of the true carries once the game was more about "if your carry gets feed you win", when riot move the game to be more team reliant forgiven had nothing to do but adapt and that's where he failed.
Agree. If he didn't went to military he needed to play in ap bot meta. It's gonna be turn out the same no matter what.
17:05 HAYATE ARMY POUSTOPEDA :)
PAME LIGO.
PAPAPAPAPAP
GAMO TON XRISTOOOOO
@@cherrysfunk
Ησύχασε πιτσιρικά, μην βλασφημάς.
Exw klapsei ligo hayate mono
Most skilled players from other regions: shows Doublelift
I had a to laugh so hard when i saw dl's face
I was expecting UZI face lol and then Doubletilt....
fails to buy items, 0-3 GG. theScore: we are NA we show him KEKW
why not show deft, ruler, uzi again or rekkles when they talked about most skilled adc (missed Chinese players that are 10x better than dl as well)
SgtJuJu the most punchable face
It's funny how you showed faker. Probably the most flexible midlaner in league. At least he was till i followed the game (s6-7)
it wasn't even his fault he lost that game though
Yeah, showing that LeBlanc pick as a sign of Faker being "not flexable" was really wrong. The pick worked fine and Faker has always had a huge champion pool. He simply couldn't carry a diminished team over the finish line against strong competition.
@@Nr4747 are m
Considering 2 of his most known champions are leblanc and lulu, you would be right haha
@@Nr4747 This guy gets it
Imagine putting this guy, DL and Dardoch on the same team
Well DL seem to actually have grown up.
And then play funnel comp
DL was never as big of a flamer as those 2.
Did he mention problems? Absolutely, but never in such a toxic way.
Some men just wanna watch the world burn...
Dont forget IWDominate. With LS coaching.
Need a video on Clayton " Captain Flowers" Raines please! One of the GOAT play-by-play casters!
100% agree
I would love this. Captain Flowers joining the caster scene was so insane
Yes!!
PLEASE
No matter what you think about Forgiven his passion and dedication will surely be missed. What a legend
One of the original League Heels, this man was practically the HHH of League
He was more of a Randy Orton. Same hairstyle.
"Now, if you're not familiar with *insert video topic* you're in for a treat."
I probably will be for every upload in this series.
The best adc i've ever watched. This dude was STYLING with that graves. The rework and his short champion pool killed him. I remember teams banning Lucian, Graves and Caitlyn and destroying SK.
Koo tigers first did it in mid reason invitational against sk back in 2015 and after that all the teams adopted the strategy..but honestly it wasn't forgivens fault for sk's falling..
@@JustFaithless Fnatic did the same against them. it was semi-finals i think.
The best adc? You sre high
It'd be so funny if he ended up in NA after all this. CLG Forg1ven incoming
NA would be burning
Is this true?
NA pension plan
Forg1ven is big ego you think he would be accepting a bottom tier team invitation? He doesnt need that.. But imagine zven throwing yet another playoffs/finals as last year and c9 pickup forg1ven poggers
NA too much of a snowflake region to pick up any questionable players behavior-wise.
Probably one of the first players from Europe who was able to compite toe to toe with Asian players in his role. He wasnt only the best adc in Europe, he also was probably one of the best adc in the world at his peak
One of the great adc yes. Best adc at his peak? No. there was uzi.
@@Crypted542 one of the best not the best. learn how to read
@@stephen1649 Dude you basically said what i said.
Kind of tragic, I remember watching him especially on SK and he truly was the best, he was such a big egomaniac, but he was just so good mechanically
I Feel Like Forgiven would have been smurfing in the league with this current meta since Caitlyn is the best ADC. Or teams would ban it every game and he'd get stomped
Thing is Caitlyn was his signature pick simply because she's the n1 adc to stomp lane with. He would do that with any adc it's just that as caitlyn it would be easier and more impactful on the game. Now the meta has finally shifted towards adcs in the sense that it's more balanced than ever and a mechanically gifted adc can outplay assassins and actually kill tanks so smurfing or not he sure would be fun to watch nowadays.
What are you both talking about lol.Adc is weak af right now
John Sar Holy shit it really isn’t. ADC consistently deals most damage alongside mid. Plus, popular contested picks include Cait, Ashe, Ez, Senna. ADC is absolutely strong
"Not everyone can be a role model" People really need to understand this in esports holy f
Well if you want to be a pro player on the big stage you dont have a choice. You represent the community whether you want it or not so if youre a toxic dickhead you need to keep that to yourself, otherwise teams and the league as a whole will drop you, doesnt matter how good you are.
Not really. You don't need to be a rol model, not being an annoying dick is enough.
@@GuildWars4Ever98 u just cant be that good if u let ur emptions and ego get the best of yourself
the resemblance between him (now), Toygar Isikli (Turkish musician) and Guardiola is mind-blowing
At 4:45 .I think that is enough to know . This guy wants to play with a team that wants to win
17:05 the guy on the right is your daddy
Papapapa
I saw the title with no thubnail cuz my 4G was acting up, but I just knew it had to be a video on forgiven based on the title alone xD
Draken got CSGO'd at 0:29. Stop showing that clip as if it's his fault.
No he unscoped a frame before shooting so makes sense
Or did he move too?... It was shown for mistakes that were used to define someones carreer so anyways its fitting
@@megalul4141 Having slowed it down to 0.25. Draken didn't unscope and didn't move until after the shot was fired, which was right on crush. That absolutely should have hit.
just a little mistake in the video, the clip used in 0:44 where you say the inability to adapt to the meta can be devastating, you showed a clip of faker picking Leblanc, at that time LeBlanc was one of the strongest champs in competitive, hence why faker literally had 0 losses on the champ in his entire career at that time. However the enemy counterpicked it with, Morgana which is a known hardcounter to Leb. There is no correlation ob "inability to adapt to the meta" and that clip. But I guess every video of yours needs a mandatory faker clip so whatever.
hot take: EU wouldn't be at the level that they are at right now if forg1ven didnt exist
Fax
But he also flamed schalke 04. the same schalke that is terrifying all of Europe with their play.
that's the absolute worst take ever
What a garbage take. Eu wouldnt be at the level it is right now if Caps didnt exist. If Perkz didnt exist. If Rekkles didnt exist.
@@hansmaier7203 clearly u havent been playing league that long, there was a good 2-3 years where forg1ven was trashing rekkles, he was by far the best adc in europe before he left, caps and perkz came in after forg1ven left
The 16:25 ESC Loken(adc) showed in the video is the same JDG Loken(jungler) that is top 2 in LPL right now. It's so surreal to think about.
When u have such a good mechanical and skilled ad carry player like forg1ven, u are forced to play around him... His passion for League of Legends doesnt only builds his ego but he makes him a strong winning condition... Although he had this much ego, he proved that he is one of the best adc's world has ever seen... Much love Κώστα
bro I'm not joking, i got tears on my eyes when he had to go to the army.
bro imagine your fucking one and only reason to leave bed, what makes your blood run, being taken away from you with no chance for you to deny it... God that fucking sucks. I know he's an asshole but he's a fucking insane player and nobody deserves that shit. poor dude
THE LANE KINGDOM....FORG1VEN IS STILL YOUR FATHER
Honestly, forgiven was what UZI was before season 6, but UZI changed and was able to find massive success in 2018.
How did u make it so most achievements he had are to be looked at with an asterisk, while the failures are wholly explained by his attitude? I get you are trying to make this interesting first and foremost, but such a black and white narrative about Forg1ven's career is superficially true at best. In every other team sport, managers/coaches and staff on competitive teams are evaluated by the ability to form tactically solid squads, develop talented players and MANAGE THE EGOS OF SUPERSTARS. Somehow, in League, this is completely missing or rather is viewed by the community in a sense that the "toxicity" in a player INHERENTLY causes worse team performance. In my opinion, it is the failure to integrate such players into a productive team environment that causes most of the actual gameplay-related issues. Of course, the player also plays a role in that and rightfully doesn't get away with it for free, but a giant part of the blame has to be put on the org for failing to integrate the talent they brought in by choice.
In Forg1ven's case, up until Spring 2020, his upside "by far" outweighed his downsides and he should have been an even more defining figure for European League. Instead, most orgs have not learned from H2K's success that year and many talented "toxic" players aren't even given chances by teams to this day. Why was only H2K really able to use the rigid and toxic talent? It was emphasized that he did not change his attitude no matter what while moving teams, so how did so many fail and one beat EDG? That would be, in my opinion, a great angle for a more detailed view of what Forg1ven's legacy in League is.
Thats a really good point. To me the problem is the LOL league is young, and adapated quickly to the "current trends of things" *kof* SJW *kof* . "Toxicity," which can be perceived as player's own ego and competitiveness has and will always exists in every sports. But League decided really fast to condamn these type of behavior because the "current trends of things" is all about being polite, showing respect, being kind and working hard. You can just take the NBA for exemple, the Nba is like 70+ years old, and back in the days, players were fighting each other on the court, they were taunting, they were even punching the referees sometimes, => they were showing human emotions linked to their competitiveness, willing to win and egos. Now its all bland, because of certain movements that deny these type of behaviors. Nowadays everytime a player show a little bit of frustration towards the refs, his teammates or an opponent, they get Fouled Out + they get finned. Everything is getting bland and talented player that can't keep their emotions/toxicity in check are just eliminated from the game. As Forgiven said, you have to adapt or die. Is it for the better or for the worst? I don't know, you decide.
Working with a player like forg1ven would be hell for any team. When you have a team, you have sponsors, you have a roster that you have to rely on, you have payments to make etc so you want things to be as stable as possible. Since you mentioned H2K, I believe they did nothing more than just tolerate a time bomb that was at the top of his game at the time. They also had a very strong roster so chances were that forg1ven would not get mad over his teammates as he was known for.
But, it is one thing being competitive and another thing destroying a team from the inside with your toxic personality (schalke).
Let's hypothesize that, right now, forg1ven is a better add than Perkz. Even jankos, his former teammate would chose Perkz over him every time. You know why? Because he knows that in teams things don't always go your way. There are ups and downs even for the best of the best and forg1ven isn't a guy to have around when the team is in its downs.
This is true for ALL SPORTS. You win by managing the ego's. This happened in overwatch with siinatra as the coaching staff was able to stop his ego from impacting the team so much as to ruin their game. I also would like to say that you should adjust to your players strengths. Look at tsm in siege. They play aggressive, they rush, they force fights. If you want another comparison look at G2 in LOL. The coaches adapted to the roster and made the team great by creating strats that take advantage of all the talents. Meanwhile they were able to stop the ego of some players getting the better of them. Fog1ven could fit the system i am describing. One that holds his ego back and in turn takes advantage of his talent and builds around it. This basic idea can be seen all around sports.
Interesting take. I think this is very true, though even in conventional sports, when it gets to some point it is no longer the organizations fault. See NFL players like Antonio Brown during his blow up or in the NBA you could show how Rajon Rondo has hard time staying on a team. As a professional player, you can have a large ego (and many of the best players did), such as Randy Moss or Allen Iversen. But you better back it up by playing really damn well. The second you fall off, no one is going to have your side.
5:25 Why show this play? Forgiven played this pretty bad honestly. Hit with Corki Q that could've been avoided, Thresh flay and death sentence. nRated showing up with the double stun on Annie won that fight, not Forgiven.
You are dense aren't you mate
Just don't bother commenting on youtube please.
I think the point of the clips were that forg1ven is a very aggressive player who takes high risk plays. The clip at 5:25 would've been bad if they lost it, but they didn't, so it paid off. Less about the technical ability for that clip, and more about the risk-reward assessment.
I think it's called baiting
Did it cause he knew support was coming
its funny how in "real" sports, this behaviour is way more accepted. MJ, Kobe and Jimmy Butler are prime examples in basketall.
True
We bralizlians have neymar to prove that toxicity is a good differential for a player in football.
There is ramos, pepe, costa, suarez, ibrahimovic, stam, gatusso, keane all of them toxic
But he doesn't have the skills anymore to back up his words anymore
@@cereszin Neymar is so overrated though prime example of his uselessness was the UCL finals. He gave away the possession countless times because he wanted to dribble the German defense. (+All the theatrical foul falls but he wasn't the only one doing that so that's not only his fault)
Man watching him on old graves makes me miss that version of the champion a lot.
Makes me wanna delete the graves from the game even more.
I was really sad when he was gone. He's for sure a lol personality
Ive been a forg1ven fun since he was playing on local greek tournaments in 2012..I immediately realised he had a very bright future in this game and he proved it... Forg1ven at his peak was on Uzi's level. He definetely paid tribute to the evolution of this game.. Im pretty sure that he is still top level if he's competing on a team with will to win..tho,his lack of flexibility was clearly shown.. Bakc in the beggining of the split senna aphelios was perma botlane picked for every team every game and he was playing picks like xayah... By any means i dont criticise it that badly because sometimes a comfort pick gives more value than an OP one, but for a player at his prestige and his competitive spirit i would expect him to put more effort to master them
Uzi at his peak went to worlds finals 2013 Don't get me wrong Forg1ven is one of the western greats but he is not comparable to uzi.
@@Crypted542 I understand my friend.. What I tried saying is that he never got the credit he deserved... Forg1ven has always been so aggressive adc, winning botlane most of the time even with losing match ups putting more pressure than a casual pro adc on the enemy team.. Mechanically I think uzi was better and overall perhaps better.. But forgiven was the king of botlane without playing with insane supports ever in his career.. Vander was a good one.Just good and look what they achieved. if only they could sign perhaps a Korean support to play with forgiven back then I don't wanna imagine what that would mean for eu
Few people know what kind of pressure Konstantinos Forg1ven had to face as a child, even from his own family, not to deal with gaming at the expense of his edugation and his future. This video can only capture a little of the reality he experienced. His road to top was full of obstacles from the beginning. He overcame all, cause he did what he loved most ... no help from anywhere. He trained alone in a country with no pro teams for endless hours in front of a pc screen sacrificing everything else. He found his way to Europe alone. He came from nowhere to reach almost the top of the world. Always alone but always armed with two weapons: His will & his love for what he did. He NEVER retreated, he NEVER compromised. He was himself and he remained himself. He did NOT blur, he did not change, he did not back down. He was not interested in liking to people & teams, but only what he considered right by setting higher goals in every step he took. The very good was never good enough for him. And that was his difference from teammates and teams he had to deal. Yes it's difficult to coordinate with such person. When he presses himself so hard, it's expected to ask more from the others. But cause of him, Europe went to a higher level. He was honest maybe the hard way, but honest. He indelibly carved his own path in LOL and became a legend because he was simply real. That's Forg1ven for some who really know him since child & that's the difference between those who think they know him.
(sorry about my possible mistakes in English)
Forg1ven will be back
Its kinda sad because forg1ven can really thrive in current meta. Lane dominant adcs like cait and jhin are strong and teams play around bot for drake soul so he could fit perfectly
he wouldnt. when aphelios and senna were at peak he played them and showed poor performance. both adc required multple nerfs until they became "good adc" and not "super good". if he couldnt perform in those champs when they were instawin almost, i dont see how good he could do now.
The only reason why his carreer never popped off was because of his supps. Forgiven was playing the most aggressive way i had ever seen. Each single time i was watching his games i knew shit would get real. He is a really good guy and im sad he is actually getting older and older i don't think he will ever pop off his carrer nowadays but god damn he was a legend personally.
Also it is nice to mention that his playstyle would be tier1 back then with the meta we have now.
You sadly forgot the part where Schalke 04 had an absolute miracle run and made it to playoffs after forgiven was benched :( Story of God Gilius when?
hey bud you got the season mix up, schalke bench forgiven in spring split they made the playoff in the summer two completely different split and also skalke was like 0-8 before they started to make a come back after doing multiple roster change for summer.
@@yinyang4691 ahhh thanks dude for telling me, thought he said summer in the video. My bad!
@@BM050 don't worry that video is already being made lol
@@yinyang4691 they play now with the same roster as with Forgiven
@@jumpingpoint1630 That does not matter, it still a new season, with new meta and style
FORG1VEN: High risk high reward pick for a team, If you can accept his toxicity and make chemistry as a team you will be successful the other way Is to have a botlane that can only farm and stand behind the frontline without putting impact in the game.
And FORG1VEN wasn't a promise that never happened, It happened and the whole League Planet remembers It...''By Far'' the best European ADC
Ευχαριστούμε που μας έκανες περήφανους καραφλέ Pepega.
my favorite adc ever... love him sadly hes toxic and people hated him cause of that, but i remember his amazing plays on graves and lucian omg that was the reason that i watch proplay today
1:12 no flame but you murdered the name xD. Loved the video btw
Forgiven will join a team with punisher and conquer Europe mark my word
Still waiting
its somehow funny to see this after watching a video from tolkin that got in a team with him and forg1ven started to grief like after 5 minutes-
i watched that too xd
It’s so weird how people in pro league name “toxicity” the will to excel at all costs, extreme competitiveness and trash talking. Yes he is kind toxic but these attributes are not. Yamato saying that if you pick him up you set a bad example is by far stupid. If forgiven was a basketball or football player his mentality would be considered elite
Most mechanical player in other regions then proceeds to show the next best possible candidate for an ego implosion who does not want to adapt and wants the team to be centered around him. Very subtle.
u seem pretty biased on a negative way when giving ur opinion on him or his career
Right now FORG1VEN plays with a streamer/pro player named Pun1sher every night almost every day on Twitch
Και τον τρέχουν χωρίς να ντρέπονται τα μπασταρδα
Well as a greek guy That watches streams of forgiven , Hes actually a nice guy And very.... VERY ENTERTAINING to watch
Κανείς δν είπε ότι είναι κακός άνθρωπος ρ, απλά όταν είσαι επαγγελματίας παίκτης, δν γίνεται να τιλτάρεις γτ η μπάλα παίρνει όλη την ομάδα και ρίχνεις το ηθικό.
Και εγώ πολλές φορές έχω τσακωθεί με φίλους σε ranked, αλλά μετά πάμε για καφέ και τα ξεχνάμε.Αυτοί όμως μένουν μαζί και προπονούνται όλη μέρα, δεν μπορούν να το ανέχονται καθημερινά.
Hecatrice kses ti me autin tin logiki simfono
Ναι ρίχνει 50 kicks και Μπάνς το λεπτο, αν δεν συμφωνεί μαζί του...όχι σε τρολς, όχι σε καφρους, απλά σε όποιον διαφωνεί.... Χέσε με...σκέψου με τους συμπαίκτες τι θα κανε
I will support what Vander says..."FORG1VEN didnt play for 5 months before carrying H2K...he can be good whenever he wants to"...I saw him play LOL with his friend Pun1sher a couple days ago..and he did many outplays...As Rekkles says FORG1VEN and UZI was the most difficult opponent he played with..I wish S04 good luck but i continue to believe that they are a bad team...Hope FORG1VEN come back to LEC with a better team,more friendly and less toxic...For me he will be the best ADC BY FAR...
Forgiven looks like someone you don't want to see on a playground bench
It would be interesting to see him move to caster or analyst in the LEC with how much passion he has for the game
i would love to see him playing again.
He did play this season. He got benched for his toxicity though.
Kokkelikirva sad but also true
@@beiggo21 i know he was in S04 roster but no chance he plays with them again after what happened
@@umtiberio obviously.
If you want to win and be the best this is the kind of attitude you need to have , people may not like it but its ok if you are the best , your team may not like it but its ok if you are the best. So the only flaw i see in all this is that at the time he joined shalke he was not at his top form he needed to give himself and his team time.
To do that he had to drop his attitude until he was the best again , he did not so naturally he left. But he was by far the most satisfying adc to watch , the way he stomped every lane was amazing , i have not seen any other adc play like that.
truth be told, abbedagge and gilius hard griefed every single game in that split. i dont get why people blame forgiven for a tweet while his team lead the whole fanbase to believe that he was the reason that schalcke fucked up the season. i also dont get how lane dominance on bot is a bad thing, especially in a dragon based meta where bot wins the game alongside the jungle. i just think people try to make him the bad guy for some reason. forg1ven is still the best adc to ever play on the stage by far.
Showing doublelift at that moment was ridiculous
I’d rather have a bad player than a toxic one
??
do you say that about soloq as well? cause you can mute toxic players but you cant do anything about bad players
@@yiannisharalambidis4418 even soloQ, having a good time to me is more important than winning
@@SerenityJayne I agree up to a point though, when you have someone bad in your team (or they just have a bad game) its really difficult to have fun when the opponent is really ahead and you get oneshot or you cant kill him, hope you understand
Confidence makes you good. Only way you win. You have to believe you are the best
In my 7+ years YT career I always watched to see the best videos and be on top of the news.
As of now at least, current team doesn't fit this principle.
theScore esports is unable/unwilling to make changes to fit this goal, so we mutually agreed I stop watching
until they are willing to do so
I mean holy fuck this is a LoL video and there is no Faker/Ryu clip? WTF?
Underrated comment XD
He is a good and competitive player, and because his recent team just didn't want to win as much as he did, they weren't as dedicated, he is the villain of this story? Damn y'all are soft asf
I have had the pleasure of playing with this guy in soloque many times.
Not that I am hating but he was a lot more toxic to random people than you may think. But yes, he was a good player, however with a shitty attitude.
The dude was the most toxic player I’ve ever played with lol. Maybe pridestalkerr was the only one above him. He was a god tho
The truth about Forgiven is that as arogant he seems to be, he is NOT a bad guy. I happen to meet him and have known him for some time. I can tell you he is just too straight forward and doesn't "coat" his words in brighter colours as we all do. He knows his value as a player and he's proved it to be quite high.
If i was a team owner i would bring back Forg1ven for the memes
Would be a pretty expensive meme
This is why you are not a team owner xd
@@Ninekillaa yeah im sure thats the reason
This was well edited.
''Mechanically gifted superstars from other regions''
- Shows Doublelift
LMAOOOOOO
can we talk about the one and only true swagglord Darien? his Zhonyas Renekton and, well... what happened with him?
By Far.
I don't even want those massive head shots in this video.
"In some strange way you have to respect it."
No. No you don't and respecting that kind of personality is what gives people incentive to never change.
FORG1VEN was absolutely in ELO hell a lot of the time. It's the sad reality of team-based competitions.
Forgiven was a Solo Queue player playing on the LCS. That's all.
Also, the video skipped over why he was benched from Origen... Not many people know this but Forgiven came from a CS background. So, at the time he got to Origen, OverWatch had launched and he was CONVINCED it's gonna be the next big thing on e-sports so he skipped skrims with the team to get better on OverWatch... Aaaaand, that didn't sit well with the team. So they benched and released him. Talking about professionalism....!!
2021 update:he is still like that...
Ur content is so good
Forgiven έχεις μείνει ήδη στην ιστορία για εμάς. Like αν είσαι Έλληνας και βλέπεις αυτό το βίντεο.
Sounds like Forgiven was egocentric, narrow-minded, a poor teammate, and a nightmare to coach. Yikes. Gotta disagree with you at the end, there - no, I do NOT have to respect that.
Why do you even voice an opinion if you didn't even watch the guy play nor know anyhting about him prior to this video.
@@kaifiak because none of you are powerful enough to stop me.
@@Twizinator LOL, what a hilarious response!
The most respectable thing about Forg1ven at 15:00 providing for his family thro gaming...
Hopefully he will comeback again not like on Schalke
As mentioned in the Video: there's no world any player, coach or other person involved in staff of a team is willing to play with him... We all know what happened with him playing on Schalke.
@@Finn_smk he will come back in greek team, intrepid fox.
@@stauroschronopoulos7409 wow. Didn't know about that one. Still think none of the LEC teams would be willing to pick him up. Unless he'd show a performance peak and most importantly a truly better treatment of his mates.
I wouldn't call playing "only" in the Greek League a real comeback, but thats purely up to interpretation
@@Finn_smk I mean forg1ven realises his career is fucked up, but due to to pun1sher (popular Greek streamer and player in high elo euw and midlander for intrepid fox team in Greece) forg1ven may join this team because pun1sher and him are very good friends. They have been teasing it in stream but nothing is certain yet, but it is highly possible. Keep in mind Greeks still support forg1ven and this is his only opportunity he's gonna get, if this happens intrepid fox could do very good in eum and show forg1vens true potential.
@@stauroschronopoulos7409 Its not even confirmed it was just a joke between them and the stream. If you just look at his opgg he is just playing arams
Europe has Forg1ven. Here in Brazil we have ranger, a good player but arrogant. I can't say I hate him, but I would be friends with him
You know who has a similar attitude? Jordan + Kobe.
Not really. Both those guys had huge egos and put the team on their back more often than not, but they respected skilled teammates and coaches. And they were their own biggest critic. If they noticed something lacking in their play, you bet your ass they would spend 18 hours a day the next off-season (and the off-season after that...and the one after that if necessary) to fix that weakness. They were assholes, sure. But they always led by example.
@@Todesschleicher eh Jordan had the talent to back it up. Kobe worked hard at his craft but he couldn't hard carry his team. He was highly inefficient as a player and a nightmare teammate. Jordan was a nightmare too but he at least could hard carry. People will excuse your asshole-ness when you're as good as Jordan.
Kobe, I mean his ego drove Shaq off the team to Miami. Even when Kobe passed away, Shaq's speech had a joke about Kobe never passing the ball and he tried to talk to Kobe and the coach about it and Kobe was like "fuck you".
Also to be clear, I don't think just because Jordan had the skills to carry, it gives him the right to bully and treat people like assholes.
@@tgo007 Jordan always respected individuals with talent whether it was enemy or teammate. The trashtalk was mostly part of the beef the era packed. Pippen proved that you can earn his respect through dedication and hard work. Kobe was a carry just not as hard of a carry as Jordan and his attitude was for his own self motivation, not to make excuses. You didnt see Jordan nor Kobe give an interview and say my team sucked so we lost. Never.
On the topic of forg1ven, he was an amazing player in both mechanics and depth of ingame knowledge. I happened to lane vs him a couple of times and felt it firsthand. Unfortunately his attitude was non justifiable for a person of this caliber, doing more moral damage to those around him than good and eventually put all the burden of them underperforming on himself to lift, which he couldnt do.
All you can say about him in the end of the day is "Wasted talent". Yes you can say he went to world etc etc but he could do so much more if he kept himself in check. Unfortunate rly.
Forg1ven changed league forever . Respect
Forgiven crying after army calls him. (1 year service)
Korean players "First time?" (2 years service)
We used to have in greece back 4 decades to do 2 years service. so you never lived the experience.
We're both in a bad position tho. Other players from other countries don't even have to deal with it not even a week
@@delta606 yes but now greece has increased 3 months more for doing Duty 12months than 9
The dude giving commentary on this video is a living breathing eyebrow lift.
17:06 hey look it's hayate lol
when greek goes to war, send him in and watch the carnage.
put forg1ven and dardoch on the same team and watch the fireworks LUL
forg1ven and tarzaned Kappa
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain
Waiting for Rekkless heel turn