Could it be citizens world wide have been lied to about how long computers & robots have been around? Just maybe there were carving robos that Michalangelo & his buddies used back in their time. The world govts have lied to citizens endlessly so, why would they not lie about how long they have had the computer technology. somthing to think about!!
It’s just a CNC machine for stone. This is not new tech. Various types of CNC machines have been in use for signage, arts and manufacturing for about 30 years now.
You can say its just a CNC Machine but nobody else is going to bother copying this because you need to operate in Carrara where the best marble in the world is and have a good track record of supporting artists. People are not going to start getting people with CNC machines in their garage to do this for them. The sourcing of the best Marble in the world and the finishing craftsman are what make them special.
Camera Its a different form of capturing pictures,this is more like a robot with a paintbrush,its making art mass prodused and cheaper as you see,making handmade workers eventually quit their pansion which will become unprofitable for a living.Offcourse unless they want to get a milion dolar mashine. @@georgemartin4354
Multi axis CNC programmer here. If you saw how involved it is to create a robust model for those sculptures and to generate toolpath that could reach all of those features it would be definitely be called ART. Even if you scan an existing sculpture it is no small task to get smooth and flowing toolpath. Also you can make multiple almost identical sculptures. That would be very unlikely doing it by hand.
@@MLM68 They're both visual mediums. At one point, if you wanted a portrait done, it had to be painted. Then the camera was invented and it became instantaneous.
@@bluemamba5317 paintors at the infancy of photography, called it soulless and emotionless, free from artistic expression, not realizing that it too can be used like a paintbrush to create art, it's another tool for expressing art.
@@bluemamba5317 Of course you can. You can build it in reality, then photograph it. They did it all the time in movies before CGI. its just more expensive. Its not impossible.
A Jazz Pianist I knew once told me he would never stoop so low as to use an electronic piano - I told him in a past life I knew a Harpsichordist who would rather die than use an instrument which so crudely hammered strings rather than plucked them and there was a ghost of a hurdy-gurdy player behind him whining a similar refrain… time, and tools, change. Artistry is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm an artist myself and agree. I find it ironic that often, those who claim new technology lacks creativity, lack the imagination to use them expressively. Though, I agree that oftentimes these tools attract more business minded people and the comodification art. That's why I think it's important for artists to embrace new technology in order to offer alternative approaches rather than allowing the market to be dominated by slop art.
I mean it’s like saying a guitarist the only plays acoustic guitar will never play an electric guitar with a n amp? Why though? It’s literally the exact same thing ? Some of these old time boomers are just stuck in the past and are arrogant. Pshhhh whatever just play it’s all the same
How is that the same to something that literally makes the art itself? Good God. That's totally irrelevant. That's like comparing a chisel to a jackhammer, not a chisel to an AI powered robot arm 😂
The difference here is that human hands aren't involved in the crafting of a sculpture, whereas all of those instruments you listed still require full human input to create music. A more accurate comparison would be like if you made a robot to play the guitar- a human would have to provide the inputs but they would need not the technical knowledge and skill to play the music itself.
the design IS the art form, someone has to make and program the machine. Even if it is programmed to create the design, someone has to create that program and that is pure art
The general public doesn't understand that virtually all the artists, great and ordinary, had assistants to carry out their works. Bernini had a large studio of employees (the best of them was Bonarelli, whose wife was Bernini's mistress), Rodin had assistants to enlarge his clay models and make the works he is famous for, portrait painters employed drapery painters to paint the clothing in their portaraits, Raphael had a lot of painters to help paint his paintings, Rubens had the largest number of assistants, Rembrandt's paintings were partially painted by his students, Michelangelo had craftsmen block out the big forms of his sculptures .... This was standard practice in the past - it's why they were able to achieve such large bodies of work.
All the people who are upset about the destruction of western civilation don't seem to know that information in this report is how we have a chance of saving it.
There are quite a few studios that work that way today, with one man, usually a man, taking the credit. I still would prefer anything made by human hands, the actual touch of human hands, mistakes and all, to something made by machine.
@@yc5391 I think you might need help. I'm 78 and was one of the highest paid portrait painters in North America for almost 20 years. Now and for the last 25 years, I'm the studio director of, and one of the instructors at, one of the most prestigeous art schools in Florence, Italy. How's that for knowing nothing? What have you accomplished?
No matter how advanced technology may become ( in any art form) , I do believe that there are people who will always prefer and support the beauty of various creations birthed by human hands. ❤
why are you typing this on a keyboard. find a feather pen write a letter on papyrus and send it by horse and cart to 60 minutes expressing this message.
As a marble and limestone sculptor myself, I can say that not doing the work by hand, especially with hammer and chisel, would void almost all the emotion and adventure out of the sculpture for me. To just sit and watch a robot do most of the work would destroy my soul. My body is broken and the time spent is extensive, but I willfully choose to make the sacrifice and that sacrifice is what people connect with when viewing sculpture. If you knew the sculpture was just printed out there would be no sense of wonder or achievement, just commercialism disguised “but the idea is what counts”.
I agree. Art becomes worthless this way. It has no soul. A scribble made by 5 year old means more than a "masterpiece" made by AI or a robot. Commercial, mass produced, without a story or value. As many of our products today are.
I understand what you're saying but dude, this is AWESOME opportunity for you to kickass! Picture it. Instead of seing A.I with this thoughts you have, use what's going in in world, this hype about A.I to create a message that has your traditional and a.i. For example, every artist needs a hook to breakthrough the noise. You are a sculpture, but what makes you stand out from thousands of them? They all same as you but...what if you create a sculpture, half marble/limestone and other with technological bits but it is the marble/limestone that's stepping out to come to life and not A.I....so...use what you see, use it to your advantage, create a marketing spin that sells it, get these nvestors throwing money at you without compromising yourself and your art. Like you're an artist warrior battling but doing it in a creative way.
@@JSM-bb80u sadly printed books. There is an industry where the guy hands writes books and holy books by hand for big bucks. If I had the money I would spend it on that for sure.
@@wolfnoggin2165 But it doesn't matter. It would be extremely expensive. Also how would guess a statue is hand made or machine made just by looking it?
It’s collaborative. I do both, but I think CNC programming is harder than 3D sculpting. Especially because these sculptures don’t even need good topology. You can just sculpt it into a usable STL but programming the CAM pass is an art unto itself.
A lot of people who don’t make things in real life are saying that this technology takes the “meaning” out of art. I am a product designer, when I was learning the skills, you used to need to make a mold for every part you imagined in your head, it took months! Now I have an idea and 3D print it while I take a nap, I can iterate 100 times in the time it used to take me to iterate once. Art is an iterative activity, technology like this increases how quickly and artist can iterate on an idea, a theme, etc. instead of spending 3 years bringing an idea to life, you can spend 3 months- think about what that really means for an artist, their livelihood, their creativity. People can feel however they want about this, but it’s not as simple as “automation bad”
That entirely depends. To some the process is the Art. To others it’s the concept. Then to others it’s the tremendous skill to ACTUALLY be able to create something with HUMAN HANDS. The craft vs the concept. So you can’t make a blanket statement for all artists :P
Well, my guy, I'm definitely buying the statue made by hand over the one made by a machine. David would be a lot less impressive if I knew a machine made it.
@@stevrgrs this is the difference between thinking small and thinking big. Now that we have these tools, the sheer scale and complexity of sculptures can be elevated to a higher level. The ability to create 10 pieces interconnected into a giant sculpture takes 2 years instead of 20- for an artist who has a limited amount of time to realize their vision on the world- that time matters. This is just the natural progression of tool use in stone working- 2000 years ago there was rope, hammer, and a chisel- and decades of labor. You’re not worried about pneumatic drills, diamond tipped grinders, and other ‘hand held tools’ … also this is hardly new. Until cnc robotics, sculptors still used CNC to shape the stone, just by removing larger chunks. And better yet, the majority of household sized marble sculptures (under 1 meter in size) have been mass produced with CNC machining for like 50 years. The only change is that the scale and dexterity of machine automated cutting has grown. As I said before, people can feel how they want to feel about it- but art is the struggle between ideation and realization- and in 9/10 cases- an artist will use the tools that most efficiently allow their expression. And more still, in a few years, an artist on the edge will find a way to leverage this robotized technique to pursue a piece that is truly awe inspiring. The reason why classical sculptures like the David are so revered is because it was the highest possible expression of the art form , and the technique 600 years ago. That’s why it stood the test of time. It’s up to us to find the highest form of expression possible with the technique available to us today.
@@leonardodalongisland art is only considered to be crap because another human being determined it to be so. If that equation now involves a non-human producing art then I’m just gonna go ahead and make the determination that every single solitary thing that that nonhuman produces is complete and utter crap.
@@somnuswaltz5586 "Karen" aka someone who actually understands science and medicine enough to know that silicosis is a real threat and will eventuate to death in these workers. It is the job of the employer to enforce PPE and OSHA requirements, or whatever OSHA equivalent they have in Italy.
Those saying 'Michelangelo would be rolling in his grave' don't seem to have a problem with the heavy machinery and stone saws being used to mine the marble. If this was really about tradition, they would demand the marble be quarried using hammers and wedges and taken down the mountain on animal drawn sleds or wagons.
The sound of the chisel tapping then transitioning to the clock ticking at the end would have been such a missed opportunity. I’m really glad they did that.
The amount of talent and skill that Michelangelo possessed boggles the mind! Having robots sculpt marble doesn’t boggle anything except to create counterfeit sculptures!
Pretty much if someone saw an amazingly detailed sculpture made out of a delicate material such as marble and was told it was made by a human, they would be astonished that a person could have the talent to craft such an item. Now tell that same person a robot made it, and they would see it as something like a 3D printer which in some ways, it is a 3D print of an item, and they would probably be not impressed.
I would be different kinds of impressed because of how humans and machine are different. The engineering it took to make a robot that carves marble statues is also mind boggling
@@turolretar the engineering put into it is mind boggling what it can do is mind boggling but a person "carving" a statue using one of those robots is trivial to say in the least the skill difference is night and day; it's not so much about ends as much as it is about the means
My father is also a scalpturefor over 40 years know, believe it or not this Cnc statue are priced very expensive my father charges the same as the Cnc company, and there is a different when it comes to to transparent stones, Cnc machine can not work on those because the stone becomes opaque from the harsh cutting angle, the only advantage the Cnc has it the time.
I just want to set the record straight about Michaelangelo. Mozart was known to finish his music in his head and write it down on paper without any corrections or revisions later on. Michaelangelo worked the same way with his sculptures. When he was commissioned for David, the stone was already looked at by many sculptors to be unworkable because the stone was cut too thin. To make things worse, a couple of sculptors already tried and failed, leaving a huge gap in the bottom center. Yet, Michaelangelo saw his David in the stone and began working. Michaelangelo made no markings or drawings on the stone as if he had the sculpture already finished in his head and just chiseled away to completion. This can be verified through some of his unfinished sculptures. You will see a block of marvel then suddenly on one side you see a fully formed head with a detailed face full of emotions just emerging out of nowhere. Due to the way he worked with stone, no assistant could help him because he would sculpt the details from the get-go.
I can tell you as a sculptor it;s a career killer. Realize my personal history. I started out in Stop Motion. CG killed that industry. Even Aardman, the Wallace and Gromet claymation people, use CG now. Next came miniatures, models for film. I left the effects industry just as CG was coming into fashion 25 years ago. I don;t know of a single full time modelmaker and most were gone within 5 years of CG and computer printing showed up. Starship Troopers was the last big model film made and that's an old movie now. I currently work doing walk around suits for theme parks and I can tell you nothing is sculpted by hand. It;s all computer modeling. What we are losing that no one will talk about is the craftsmanship. Old school pattern making is largely dead. Hand drawing in architectural design is largely dead. I started out in newspapers and they are largely dead, only the big cities have newspapers and every small town used to have one. Even big cities would have as many as three and they are all down to one. My life has been replaced by technology. I'm in the process of transitioning to permaculture farming, a sculptor remember. It;s the one area where we can still beat machines, by a lot. I can grow nearly 4X the food in the same acreage and by applying technology with ancient techniques I can even feed a 100 people on one acre of ground, and it can be a parking lot. Humans have always been better. Where computers and technology shine is they are adequate, good enough. That's what;s killing us is accepting mediocrity. All the Chinese crap we buy, most lasts a year or two but I;ve had things break as I took them out of the box and many things last weeks to months. Remember, in the past, some of this stuff we passed down to our kids. What we leave behind are garbage pits full of cheap crap. Are things getting better? NO!!!!
@GrayHand-jz6ie Thank you for sharing your experience. I am realizing that this technology essentially eliminates the need for human creators. It's all about manufacturing cheaply and at the same time destroying any hope of original artists making a living wage. It's despicable and anyone who supports these trends is either jealous of human creators, or works for a soulless corporation that uses this kind of technology. I wish you the very best with your new lifestyle.
Yes well the old axium goes, To those who have privilege, equality feels like opression😂 Also humans need to focus on more important things than the modern slop they pass off as "Art" but then again Art is subjective all you can do is adapt and evolve or go the way of the Steamship, Zeppelin and so on
The last 2 artists/sculptors - Barry and Richard have it right. The robotic chiseling is just but a useful tool for the artist to wield to create their work. The sculptor/artist still has to design the piece and go back and forth before coming up with the design, and even they still have to perform the finishing work to make sure it comes out right. Similar thing happened in the architecture field when CAD (computer-aided design) software came to the field, and instead of spending hundreds of hours on a drawing board and a t-square with a dozen different pencils to draw lines of different depth and thickness, now the software streamlined that process, and made the work much easier to perform. Though the new tools and way to do things, never was able to replace the idea in the mind of the designer/artist.
Thats called a Miniature aka a 3D Plan for the artist to follow instead of a 2D sketch for the Clay Model, and all the work was being done by Artists, maybe in two different locations but the Craft itself was protected.
I don’t think the reality that the masters had teams really makes any difference. It doesn’t change the fact that using a robot definitely takes magic away from sculpture. Using it as a tool to take away the heavy lifting makes perfect sense- but in a world where everything is automated or AI, I will always place more respect and value on things created solely by human hands- whether it was one person or an anonymous team. SomeONE used their time, energy, and body to do it. That is a type of value that robots will absolutely never have.
@ShaneMcGrath. Truly spoken as someone who values money more than the actual art (being one of the most tangible parts of the human condition). It’s fine to feel that way, but you seem to be fixated on the money. Anyone with critical thinking and some context knows that the art “market” is by and for the wealthy to have assets, which is very sad. I’m talking about intrinsic value. If they were both free, and both exactly the same- would you still pick the one that’s made entirely by a robot? Maybe so, because that adds a cool element for you. Maybe not, because you value the human element that has been the creator for thousands of years. Knowing that it comes from someone who has dedicated their life, time, and effort to go from step one to finished piece like I do. It’s my opinion, so there’s not really any reason to be sarcastic.
@@ookiiyoo I would say they are being cynical rather than sarcastic. To the point of cost though, for marble works the cost will still be large. So the idea of 2k for a sculpture is crazy. Maybe if it was concrete.
They had teams but the contemporary art world had exaggerated this. There was a lot of material prep and such to be done. Some had bigger teams and some just one for two assistants. The current art world tries to suggest that assistants meant the artist didn't do their own work. This is not true. They were usually the dominant creative hand on any project. The big name artists, critics and art people are all in bed together and so support each others lies.
It amazing to see the human hand and physical energy translate into works of art become obsolete. Many people have great ideas but the skill to create beyond prompts makes art created by the human more valuable than any artificial laborer.
I agree, he said well the artist comes up with the idea ( duh, yeah) and he thought that was all you needed to sell his expensive machine, and call it the artistic process.
As a "robot operator" (machinist), I can tell you, it might look like magic...but you have to have all the same skill and artistry and then add a layer of technology, programming, experience, and craftsmanship.
@@headhunter_4209 While you may disagree with the definition of art, you can not deny that machines have been introduced to make the commodification of art easier.
I believe that there is artistic effort put into the design of the 3D model and the final stages of the piece. However, I would not call their technique 'sculpture' in any traditional sense.
I totally agree but the result is an imitation of classic art. There’s nothing actually classic about it except that the style is copied and the whole point is defeated.
@ I was thinking a better analogy would be watching a video Cirque du Soleil? The result is known and only requires a single display of skill with a thousand copies.
The artistry is in the idea like he said, but also in the execution and, In the bold move to use new technology, like famous artists of the past would have done!
Making something with your own hands from a block of wood, stone, metal, clay.. to a work of art from scratch. It gives so much satisfaction, peace, respect, but also a healthy amount of stress, will it work etc.... and then if it succeeds.... you are the luckiest man on earth. Someone who does not engage in this kind of high skill ( daily) does not understand this and does not need to comment.
Times are different. We are living in the best time to be creative, so much revolutionary tools and helpful aids to help us achieve our wildest imaginations. It’s foolish to not take advantage of them. Richard is absolutely correct. Those who do not embrace it are the ones who will be left behind.
Michelangelo’s sculptures awe us because every chisel stroke is his and his assistants'. When machines take over-even with human prompts-something essential is lost.Similar with how some might find AI art impressive, but without the artist’s hand and struggle, it’s just lifeless replication, not true art.
Not strictly true, he had assistants that helped him with his sculptures. In a similar way that this robot does the rough cutting and then it is finished by a human.
@SquidsEye oh yeah, you're right, I forgot, although I would argue that it is still the craftsmanship of the artisans that is truly what makes sculptures so special. But robots? Sure, it is an impressive feat, but only in regards to robotics and science, not sculptures. Essentially, sculptures loses its soul, or partly at the least, when they are done by machines, even if humans are involved.
Soon AI will design the art and then robots sculpt...this robot art will stop being appealing once it becomes easily accessible and u have 100s of them being made in Chinese factories..only real art will stand the test of time
What has always made great art remarkable wasn't the fact that it existed, but that it was created directly by the human eye and hand. Take away the eye and hand element and it becomes an artificial replica of art.
It really is surprising the jobs involving creativity the ones you would think are innate to humanity are actually the easiest for AI to reproduce. Makes you rethink what being human really is.
‘’You can go too far if the cutter isn’t skillful enough.” That’s the point of the opposition. The skill it took from START to FINISH is a part of the art.
What people don’t understand is the number of people traditionally involved in making most kinds of sculpture well into the 20th century. Sculptors whose finished work is in bronze rely upon skilled foundry workers. Centuries of artists whose work is finished and marble created clay models that were then reproduced in plaster that were then sent off to skilled Italian carvers who translated the work into marble. And yes, they may come in at the end, and do the final detailing and finishing.
Those advances you speak of in your comment facilitated new forms of art but none of those advancements replaced Humans and allowed Human skills to die out. Without Humans hands its not Art.
The value in fine art comes from romance. If a statue is hand chiseled by a master, but the marble comes from a quarry in Alabama, then the fantasy is shattered. Like limestone against concrete. No robot is replacing the mountains and history of Italy. ⚒️ Labhraíonn an chloch, éistimid.
Hmm. When you remove the human element from the creation of art... you delete the purpose in making it. This is fine if you just want something nice to look at, but it NEEDS to be created by an actual person in order to have a soul attached to it. This counts for all of the art forms. I'm not against AI or machines, I totally get it- but I'd be loath to consider any of the things they do with that= Art. (as an aside, an interesting paradox, that the things that are usurping what is man's best qualities, are themselves, created by man)
It’s another form of manufacture and can never replace the stirrings of the human spirit. I’m not anti-machine, I just don’t believe humans are replaceable by machine especially for something as emotional as art.
Here’s the thing: using robots or any advanced tool doesn’t change the essence of art-it just changes how it gets made. Art has always evolved with the tools of the time, whether it's a brush, a chisel, or now, a robot. The artist’s emotions, vision, and creativity are still at the core. The robot’s role is just to help them get there. Saying robot-assisted sculpting is “manufacturing” misses a key point: manufacturing is about reproducing thousands of identical items, but here, a sculptor is using the robot for a one-off piece. The robot doesn’t create the art on its own; it just follows instructions, like a more precise, advanced version of an air-powered chisel. For example, the initial roughing-out of a statue is often done with tools like chainsaws and grinders now, and no one claims that this makes it less “art.” The real art happens in the vision, the detail work, and the finishing-the part that still needs a human hand. In fact, having the ability to work with more efficient tools can allow the artist to focus more on the nuances of their expression. They’re freed from the constraints of basic labor and can pour more into the details, textures, and emotional depth of the piece. Using a robot or a power tool just enables them to make that expression even more powerful and, if anything, lets them get closer to their original vision.
It’s not the idea of the sculpture 6:19, but it’s the vision of how the artist wants to create. Before folks jumping up and down and discredit this man work, his works still NOT the most intricate and expressive enough like the old masters.
The impression I got is they are using the robot to do the “grunt work” and get most of the way there and then the artist does all the detail so what you actually see is the work done by hand in the end.
@@PSNvjimmy Everything was done by hand, the robot made by hand, programming by hand. All the handwork involved moved more stone from the sculpture faster than one hand.
@ two reasons, 1) accessibility, Sculpting and stone work in general are really expensive 2) no one said you had to always use cad. You can still chisel from scratch.
As someone who studied art history and worked in cathedral restorations, bell casting, and restored stained glass I can confirm that all great masters, architects, painters, textile tapestry makers, armory blacksmiths, sculptors, glass blowing artists, stained glass masters had their own teams of helpers and apprentices and it was a prestigious honor to be able to work for a recognized master. The mysticised misconception that great works were done by a single individual are simply not true. Moreover the fact is that throughout time mankind always tried and use the best tools available and state of the art approach for any given moment in history. Progress is a constant reality.
Me too. I think they are arguing over two different techniques and therefore two different products, but since a human is the designer in both cases they are both art. At the root of the disagreement seems to be the inherent artistic value (if any) of the artist's blood, sweat and tears.
I don't respect the AI robo perspective. They are wasting unrenewable marble resources. It's not fair machine vs. unrenewable stones. If AI robo scuplt plastic or concrete, perhaps I don't mind. But marble? No.
@@JasonLarsen-t3v That is exactly my point. My house which was built in 2009 had a granite countertop. But more modern houses, that are built 2013 and newer, are no longer using granite or marble countertops, but the fake ones. Why? Because there are not enough marbles or granites. The demand is bigger than the supply. The robo sculptor will accelerate fast extortion of nature resources (marbles).
I think maybe what is lost is the bond between the artist and the client. A robot can make a 1000 of each piece whereas a traditional artist probably wouldn't want to make endless copies of his/her work. Plus I think there is skill there to produce the primary image that only a true artist possesses. While I don't understand the level of skill required to perform that last 1%, I think the 99% skill perhaps is more precious because the essence of the piece is made during that time. All this said, I have very little artistic talent myself but I can appreciate the skill required to produce a piece regardless of process. I think the tragedy comes when a builder or client pawns a robotic piece off as a human created element. Also, I wonder how difficult it will be for future customers to even differentiate the two. Clearly the resale of a robotically generated piece should fetch a lower price. But I agree it is the idea expressed in the image that stirs the passion in the viewer but the process to make it that is also intertwined in that viewing pleasure. Otherwise, why not make the piece in styrofoam?
If people can't see the intrinsic value in a human doing exhaustively hard work embodied in a beautiful sculpture then perhaps they best stick to boat shows instead of art galleries. It's not just how it looks that matters. Applying convenience and time saving to art is just gross
Exactly and the same can be said of wood work. The detailed wood work in old homes is inspiring. Having those details recreated by machines for a modern home would never have the same appeal.
As an artist myself, traditional too, I am used to this at this point. They promise us that the robots will replace the boring jobs and give us time to pursue a creative job, but instead the creative field got replaced by robots and the artists should get a boring job. Its a massive societal treason no one asked for. Playing such games with the collective soul, society will become even more mercantile. When people complain modern art is bad, maybe they deserve this version of it anyway. Meanwhile they want to sold my impressionistic oil paintings for as cheap as possible.
@@fastindy We're pretty special if we have no other accounts of beings like us existing in the known universe. You are a one of a kind, it doesn't matter how many of us there are, you, yourself are fairly unique. From the elements composing you in this universe, you're fairly special. We were doing this before machines. They merely emulate what YOU are because your existence is a wonder of the universe. The day that is proved otherwise is the day you can claim that us as a species posses no special qualities.
I am a 3d printing, Cnc machines expert, it’s BS to say humans still have to do 50 % of the work. The machine does it all once you tune the settings right. He just doesn’t want to admit he doesn’t have to sculpt anymore…
I honestly think is just like a 3d printing . It ripping off the soul in crafting same thing happen with photography when digital photography took over
You don't think that painters and artists said the same thing when cameras were invented? "Oh that's not art, you just press a button!" In the future, a robot actually carving a piece of marble will be considered quaint and outdated. You see? Everything is relative. Everyone uses the tools they have at their disposal.
@@usnchief1339 File - Sand paper - Powered angle grinder - Stepping motors - Lasers The artists tools got better and faster. You're still an artist. These people are pretty much saying "You're not a doctor if you're using advanced medicine or life support machines"
That ticking at the beginning of the video always triggers memories of my childhood, on Sundays. My mom always made dinner and she would serve close to when 60 minutes was on. That program was the only one she would keep on while we ate. And I never understood why they showed that ticking clock. So the sound of it makes my brain go to Sunday nights at dinner. It’s so weird and yet bittersweet for my childhood.
“Pens replaced quills.” Last time I checked, people were praising Shakespeare and the Brontë’s for their ideas, not their penmanship. Writing and literature are not a visual medium. You read a book for the ideas, not the font. False equivalency on your part.
@@loudwatersrunshallow Well I was searching for proof of advancement so I did dip ! Your tone suggest disaproval towards conflict ? Not here for that thanks. Good luck
@golddmane Why do we need to decide what people do all day? Perhaps this free Time will allow the humans to build healthy human relationships, bond with family and create non psychopathic humans for the future.
@@NakedSageAstrology The problem is that a life of excess pleasure and no responsibility quickly becomes meaningless. And now that it's clear that AI will be able to create art, people will feel completely unfulfilled. Every precedent we have for people who do zero work throughout their life is negative. Depression is already skyrocketing because of the internet. Imagine what it'll be like when it not only feels like one's own life has no purpose, but that the entire purpose of humanity has been made obsolete by AI.
@golddmane The need for purpose is nothing more than ego. Humans will learn to bond with their peers and raise healthy human families, free of the current stresses and turmoils. Humans will have to look within for fulfillment.
I prefer that personal human touch; the love, the sweat, the thought, the artistry, the passion that makes art, art. Others can disagree, and that’s okay. I just think real art is very personal and very human.
I am a Master Woodcarver. When I started doing competitions I would get Best of Show every time I entered and the old guard would say they will never use power tools in their carvings, but they wouldn't get best of shows either. Since the "Old Guard" were on the board of directors, they changed the rules so I couldn't compete anymore. BS! They use their chisels and files on wood cut down by $300,000 timber harvesters and say they are "all traditional" in their work. I've made a career out of my art and jobs for other people too using any tool I can get my hand on. (Wooden Alchemy)
The average person just wants something beautiful in their home. The only reason artist can make a living is because those people can't make it themselves. When they can design it themselves with prompts and have a machine manufacture it for them why would they need an artist?
@ Robots are called robots for a reason. You could never call a robot a artist. Most people that truly value art prefer to have real art in their homes and that could only come from a real artist. Robot art is just something else and could never be handcrafted because robots don’t have hands. 🙌🏾
@@kenomappartist Again, MOST people simply don't look at art the way artists do. Most artists who make a living from it actually understand that they need to make something that MOST people want to buy if they want to KEEP making a living from it. At the end of the day machines are just tools. As the tools get better average people are going to be able to create their own art that, at least in their eyes, rivals what you consider to be "real art" for a fraction of what "real art" costs. At that point, how do you think the average artist is going to make a living from it?
Art is so much deeper than money my friend. As much as money is needed, it has never guided my pen nor can I base one musical note upon it. The beauty of creation flows from the soul. If others can appreciate it enough to show that appreciation through purchasing that piece, it’s a nice gesture, yet for me as a artist, I could never make something so beautiful based on a fantasy that anyone would like it or pay for it at all. Art does not work like that. You make something from your heart, not something for cash. At least for me, this gives one a greater chance at making a masterpiece. If one can reach this state, the cash will naturally flow (w marketing of course) but if you solely create for cash, I think artist may find themselves disappointed. It’s not easy, yet this is a part of being a artist. Believing that your soul is leading you to create something the whole world could appreciate regardless of the time it takes and if not, at least you can be pleased with your own creations in the end. There’s no short cuts at being a artist. HeART first, cash later. You Got To Believe music.apple.com/us/album/you-got-to-believe-feat-ira-black-atma-anur/1256116797?i=1256121907
Art is not about the form. It is about effort. That's why many people don't like AI art, or robot sculptures. Or even digital art. Intricate tools and technology make complicated form in art easily attainable-therefore make it less valuable. Photography is full on realism, you can't get more real then that, yet a good photo is never will be as valuable as good drawing. Art is not about end goal and not about how good it looks, and not about how many good looking things you can create in X less amount of time. Artist were poor, yet they always chased an idea, poured souls in the projects, years of effort. That is why it is valuable. Not just because there are less good art of those artists, but because it is about persistance. Lately i noticed, that i realy appreciate rough drawings, with broad strokes, almost chaotic, yet you can clearly see intended form. Faces with colorfull shadows, or profiles with just black on white canvas. Kinda expressive but readable. But robots... Nah, i want to see something created as soul food, not as just some 9to5 workload after robot did 95% of the work Don't get me wrong, let people work and have their bread, but that is not realy art. To fully illustrate my point, i would give a thought experiment. Imagine naturally born child of two loving parents with all imperfections, or child constructed and modified in the lab, created to be perfect with best genes, best everything. That lab child will be the biggest and best acheivement of science, of "art". Yet, can you call him trully human? Can you compare phisicaly and mentaly healthy child grown in a good family with the perfect lab grown child, who, possibly can't even get stressed, or feel weak at times? Like compare pre serum captain america and let's say vision. It is not the same art.
So I guess you missed the part of the video where they mentioned that? And, many times Michelangelo did do EVERYTHING by himself...but regardless of who did the work-it was done by Humans.
The first marble quarry (1785) in the USA was in the village of South Dorset, Vermont. You can hike up to it today, and has a lovely view of the valley.
@@leonardodalongisland I disagree! Creativity is infinite! Art generated by Robo will be plentiful, replaceable, and inexpensive; and art generated by humans will be rare, cherished, and expensive. Room for everyone, no?
Michelangelo rolls in his grave? Well maybe Da Vinci says, "Give me one of those CNC machines and I'll show you something really incredible."
Yeah I was thinking Leonardo the world's most inventive ENGINEER would absolutely love this. Leo the world's greatest ARTIST..who knows
he's probably teaching and training himself with Blender/ZBrush
Could it be citizens world wide have been lied to about how long computers & robots have been around? Just maybe there were carving robos that Michalangelo & his buddies used back in their time. The world govts have lied to citizens endlessly so, why would they not lie about how long they have had the computer technology. somthing to think about!!
BTW the CNC can only clone. Can it EVER create something from a block of marble on its own ? Even utilising the finest programming brains?
Exactly.
It’s just a CNC machine for stone. This is not new tech. Various types of CNC machines have been in use for signage, arts and manufacturing for about 30 years now.
It’s been used in stone sculpture for about the same time as well
my comment would be: "here in Brazil we call it CNC."
That's what I was about to write. Just a CNC, nothing to fret about!
You can say its just a CNC Machine but nobody else is going to bother copying this because you need to operate in Carrara where the best marble in the world is and have a good track record of supporting artists. People are not going to start getting people with CNC machines in their garage to do this for them. The sourcing of the best Marble in the world and the finishing craftsman are what make them special.
Fact
love how the marble sound at the end transitions to the 60 min ticking sound. good job, editor!
Now I have to listen to the whole thing
@13:10
I was thinking the same thing, Someone is very proud of themselves for that 😆
When the camera was invented, people didn't stop painting.
Camera Its a different form of capturing pictures,this is more like a robot with a paintbrush,its making art mass prodused and cheaper as you see,making handmade workers eventually quit their pansion which will become unprofitable for a living.Offcourse unless they want to get a milion dolar mashine. @@georgemartin4354
Multi axis CNC programmer here. If you saw how involved it is to create a robust model for those sculptures and to generate toolpath that could reach all of those features it would be definitely be called ART. Even if you scan an existing sculpture it is no small task to get smooth and flowing toolpath. Also you can make multiple almost identical sculptures. That would be very unlikely doing it by hand.
what programming does one study to learn this model stuff? is it done in pytone and things like that? i need change job.
@@gojete Stuff like power mill
Modern artists whith flaccid, whimp hands.
I would start with Master-cam 5 axis for toolpath and Solid Works for modeling. Then a Verification .
Agreed, I use CAD plotters and lasers etc even on a 2d plane it is not easy. Also there is the initial design.
"Sculpting is passion, robots are business"...that sums it all up.
The fine art world is money laundering.
I like that quote, "if your idea is bad whether you make it with a robot or not it'll still be bad"
What a waste of marble resources..
I like the "Sculpting is passion robots are business"
@@real_hello_kitty I would say the same thing about many other items
FIine you got a great idea but do not call it art because it is not .
@@jordanwilliams2557...Other things are not art huge difference .
When the camera was invented, people didn't stop painting.
That’s because they’re two different forms of expression.
@@MLM68 They're both visual mediums. At one point, if you wanted a portrait done, it had to be painted. Then the camera was invented and it became instantaneous.
@@georgemartin4354 Not the same thing, you can't take pictures of something that doesn't exist, but you can paint it.
@@bluemamba5317 paintors at the infancy of photography, called it soulless and emotionless, free from artistic expression, not realizing that it too can be used like a paintbrush to create art, it's another tool for expressing art.
@@bluemamba5317 Of course you can. You can build it in reality, then photograph it. They did it all the time in movies before CGI. its just more expensive. Its not impossible.
A Jazz Pianist I knew once told me he would never stoop so low as to use an electronic piano - I told him in a past life I knew a Harpsichordist who would rather die than use an instrument which so crudely hammered strings rather than plucked them and there was a ghost of a hurdy-gurdy player behind him whining a similar refrain… time, and tools, change. Artistry is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm an artist myself and agree. I find it ironic that often, those who claim new technology lacks creativity, lack the imagination to use them expressively.
Though, I agree that oftentimes these tools attract more business minded people and the comodification art. That's why I think it's important for artists to embrace new technology in order to offer alternative approaches rather than allowing the market to be dominated by slop art.
I mean it’s like saying a guitarist the only plays acoustic guitar will never play an electric guitar with a n amp? Why though? It’s literally the exact same thing ? Some of these old time boomers are just stuck in the past and are arrogant. Pshhhh whatever just play it’s all the same
not the same....
How is that the same to something that literally makes the art itself? Good God. That's totally irrelevant. That's like comparing a chisel to a jackhammer, not a chisel to an AI powered robot arm 😂
The difference here is that human hands aren't involved in the crafting of a sculpture, whereas all of those instruments you listed still require full human input to create music. A more accurate comparison would be like if you made a robot to play the guitar- a human would have to provide the inputs but they would need not the technical knowledge and skill to play the music itself.
the design IS the art form, someone has to make and program the machine. Even if it is programmed to create the design, someone has to create that program and that is pure art
thats ridicolous.. every program creator is an artist.. bro i guess ure sleeping..
@@charliem.8531 Unfortunately, I think this is way beyond your reading comprehension skills.
Hopefully people will remember/realize how impressive it is when something truly beautiful has been done by human skill/hands alone.
The general public doesn't understand that virtually all the artists, great and ordinary, had assistants to carry out their works. Bernini had a large studio of employees (the best of them was Bonarelli, whose wife was Bernini's mistress), Rodin had assistants to enlarge his clay models and make the works he is famous for, portrait painters employed drapery painters to paint the clothing in their portaraits, Raphael had a lot of painters to help paint his paintings, Rubens had the largest number of assistants, Rembrandt's paintings were partially painted by his students, Michelangelo had craftsmen block out the big forms of his sculptures .... This was standard practice in the past - it's why they were able to achieve such large bodies of work.
All the people who are upset about the destruction of western civilation don't seem to know that information in this report is how we have a chance of saving it.
There are quite a few studios that work that way today, with one man, usually a man, taking the credit. I still would prefer anything made by human hands, the actual touch of human hands, mistakes and all, to something made by machine.
you know nothing! this is an ignorant point of view. i sculpt better than that robot and i have no help!
also a body of work is not the same as doing the work! you know nothing!
@@yc5391 I think you might need help. I'm 78 and was one of the highest paid portrait painters in North America for almost 20 years. Now and for the last 25 years, I'm the studio director of, and one of the instructors at, one of the most prestigeous art schools in Florence, Italy. How's that for knowing nothing? What have you accomplished?
No matter how advanced technology may become ( in any art form) , I do believe that there are people who will always prefer and support the beauty of various creations birthed by human hands. ❤
why are you typing this on a keyboard. find a feather pen write a letter on papyrus and send it by horse and cart to 60 minutes expressing this message.
@@3runjosh That dumb response has nothing to do with the comment above and neither you have with intelligence...
@@3runjosh "I do believe" isn't "I want"
@@3runjosh Ok done, now what?
The 3D model those CNC machine using to cut stone are made by human hands.
As a marble and limestone sculptor myself, I can say that not doing the work by hand, especially with hammer and chisel, would void almost all the emotion and adventure out of the sculpture for me. To just sit and watch a robot do most of the work would destroy my soul. My body is broken and the time spent is extensive, but I willfully choose to make the sacrifice and that sacrifice is what people connect with when viewing sculpture. If you knew the sculpture was just printed out there would be no sense of wonder or achievement, just commercialism disguised “but the idea is what counts”.
We have been accustomed to slop. Never give in to slopification. Never let your light go out!
'Hand made' will always be more sort after
I agree. Art becomes worthless this way. It has no soul. A scribble made by 5 year old means more than a "masterpiece" made by AI or a robot.
Commercial, mass produced, without a story or value. As many of our products today are.
@@Anomalous-Plant Art is never wortheless. It is perception, marketing, branding that makes it look, sound, feel worthless or not.
I understand what you're saying but dude, this is AWESOME opportunity for you to kickass! Picture it. Instead of seing A.I with this thoughts you have, use what's going in in world, this hype about A.I to create a message that has your traditional and a.i. For example, every artist needs a hook to breakthrough the noise. You are a sculpture, but what makes you stand out from thousands of them? They all same as you but...what if you create a sculpture, half marble/limestone and other with technological bits but it is the marble/limestone that's stepping out to come to life and not A.I....so...use what you see, use it to your advantage, create a marketing spin that sells it, get these nvestors throwing money at you without compromising yourself and your art. Like you're an artist warrior battling but doing it in a creative way.
Hand made craftsmanship will always be more appreciated and valuable than a machine.
Which one do you use? Handwritten books or printed books?
@@JSM-bb80u sadly printed books. There is an industry where the guy hands writes books and holy books by hand for big bucks. If I had the money I would spend it on that for sure.
@@12xenn45 i believe in exclusivity where the concept quality over quantity applies.
Also they are not equal in quality… big difference
@@wolfnoggin2165 But it doesn't matter. It would be extremely expensive. Also how would guess a statue is hand made or machine made just by looking it?
@ theres many conditions to monitor that the statue is being done by hand.
The Zbrush artist should be recognized as the sculpture of these pieces of art. If you aren't doing the Zbrush sculpt you aren't the artist.
It’s collaborative. I do both, but I think CNC programming is harder than 3D sculpting. Especially because these sculptures don’t even need good topology. You can just sculpt it into a usable STL but programming the CAM pass is an art unto itself.
A lot of people who don’t make things in real life are saying that this technology takes the “meaning” out of art. I am a product designer, when I was learning the skills, you used to need to make a mold for every part you imagined in your head, it took months! Now I have an idea and 3D print it while I take a nap, I can iterate 100 times in the time it used to take me to iterate once. Art is an iterative activity, technology like this increases how quickly and artist can iterate on an idea, a theme, etc. instead of spending 3 years bringing an idea to life, you can spend 3 months- think about what that really means for an artist, their livelihood, their creativity. People can feel however they want about this, but it’s not as simple as “automation bad”
That entirely depends.
To some the process is the Art. To others it’s the concept.
Then to others it’s the tremendous skill to ACTUALLY be able to create something with HUMAN HANDS. The craft vs the concept.
So you can’t make a blanket statement for all artists :P
Well, my guy, I'm definitely buying the statue made by hand over the one made by a machine. David would be a lot less impressive if I knew a machine made it.
@@vattghern7592 sure, and when was the last time you bought a handmade marble sculpture?
@@stevrgrs this is the difference between thinking small and thinking big. Now that we have these tools, the sheer scale and complexity of sculptures can be elevated to a higher level. The ability to create 10 pieces interconnected into a giant sculpture takes 2 years instead of 20- for an artist who has a limited amount of time to realize their vision on the world- that time matters. This is just the natural progression of tool use in stone working- 2000 years ago there was rope, hammer, and a chisel- and decades of labor. You’re not worried about pneumatic drills, diamond tipped grinders, and other ‘hand held tools’ … also this is hardly new. Until cnc robotics, sculptors still used CNC to shape the stone, just by removing larger chunks. And better yet, the majority of household sized marble sculptures (under 1 meter in size) have been mass produced with CNC machining for like 50 years. The only change is that the scale and dexterity of machine automated cutting has grown. As I said before, people can feel how they want to feel about it- but art is the struggle between ideation and realization- and in 9/10 cases- an artist will use the tools that most efficiently allow their expression. And more still, in a few years, an artist on the edge will find a way to leverage this robotized technique to pursue a piece that is truly awe inspiring. The reason why classical sculptures like the David are so revered is because it was the highest possible expression of the art form , and the technique 600 years ago. That’s why it stood the test of time. It’s up to us to find the highest form of expression possible with the technique available to us today.
@josephdouglas6260 yesterday
The artist they're hinting at that they don't want anyone to know about is Daniel Arsham.
Thanks. I just looked his-not-impressive work up.
@@leonardodalongislandhe's better than a lot.
@@bradolfpittler2875because a robot makes it 😂
@@bradolfpittler2875 And most "art" is crap, so that's not saying much. Everyone is better than everyone on the planet-except one person.
@@leonardodalongisland art is only considered to be crap because another human being determined it to be so. If that equation now involves a non-human producing art then I’m just gonna go ahead and make the determination that every single solitary thing that that nonhuman produces is complete and utter crap.
Those workers are not using any PPE. They are inhaling marble dust, which is not good. Marble and diamond dust plus who knows what else. Wow.
Ok Karen. Go find the manager
@@somnuswaltz5586 "Karen" aka someone who actually understands science and medicine enough to know that silicosis is a real threat and will eventuate to death in these workers. It is the job of the employer to enforce PPE and OSHA requirements, or whatever OSHA equivalent they have in Italy.
Nah let this guy breathe it in. God will sort him out.
@JDMonsterGoesToTheMoon
I guess all those people already knew the consequences ... yet they still not using protective gears. So it's their choice.
I thought the same thing-and the last ones we saw are Americans-they should know better!
Both final products are amazing. At the end of the day, we appreciate the sculptures detail and the fact that they started out as part of the earth.
Those saying 'Michelangelo would be rolling in his grave' don't seem to have a problem with the heavy machinery and stone saws being used to mine the marble. If this was really about tradition, they would demand the marble be quarried using hammers and wedges and taken down the mountain on animal drawn sleds or wagons.
Apples & Orange bro.
Obtuse comment
The sound of the chisel tapping then transitioning to the clock ticking at the end would have been such a missed opportunity. I’m really glad they did that.
I know the assembly team putting this together was going crazy when they did that transition 😂😂😂
Wow the mountains and valley are amazing.
And they're disappearing 😢
They won't be there for much longer if they keep digging it away.
D Wade watching this in tears 😂
😂😂
I was thinking the same thing. They should have used Robo for his statue.😂😂
lol 😂
That bronze statue was literally the first thing that came to my mind with this 😂
Hahahaha😂
This was so intriguing ❤ Thank you for educating us❤❤❤ I can understand the sentiment from both sides of the fence
The amount of talent and skill that Michelangelo possessed boggles the mind! Having robots sculpt marble doesn’t boggle anything except to create counterfeit sculptures!
Pretty much if someone saw an amazingly detailed sculpture made out of a delicate material such as marble and was told it was made by a human, they would be astonished that a person could have the talent to craft such an item.
Now tell that same person a robot made it, and they would see it as something like a 3D printer which in some ways, it is a 3D print of an item, and they would probably be not impressed.
I would be different kinds of impressed because of how humans and machine are different. The engineering it took to make a robot that carves marble statues is also mind boggling
@@turolretar the engineering put into it is mind boggling
what it can do is mind boggling
but a person "carving" a statue using one of those robots is trivial to say in the least
the skill difference is night and day; it's not so much about ends as much as it is about the means
If he wants to do it by hand, I respect his decision. The only difference will be of course, the price.
this is a good point because it also reflects the value of the artpiece.
My father is also a scalpturefor over 40 years know, believe it or not this Cnc statue are priced very expensive my father charges the same as the Cnc company, and there is a different when it comes to to transparent stones, Cnc machine can not work on those because the stone becomes opaque from the harsh cutting angle, the only advantage the Cnc has it the time.
@@armarmo964 , so the CNC also has its limitations. Thanks for the info! Your father must charge more than the CNC is charging.
If the things are identical, why the price should be different?
@@clam4597 I guess carving marble is a more skilled practice than drawing with a 3d software imo
I just want to set the record straight about Michaelangelo. Mozart was known to finish his music in his head and write it down on paper without any corrections or revisions later on. Michaelangelo worked the same way with his sculptures. When he was commissioned for David, the stone was already looked at by many sculptors to be unworkable because the stone was cut too thin. To make things worse, a couple of sculptors already tried and failed, leaving a huge gap in the bottom center. Yet, Michaelangelo saw his David in the stone and began working. Michaelangelo made no markings or drawings on the stone as if he had the sculpture already finished in his head and just chiseled away to completion. This can be verified through some of his unfinished sculptures. You will see a block of marvel then suddenly on one side you see a fully formed head with a detailed face full of emotions just emerging out of nowhere. Due to the way he worked with stone, no assistant could help him because he would sculpt the details from the get-go.
I can tell you as a sculptor it;s a career killer. Realize my personal history. I started out in Stop Motion. CG killed that industry. Even Aardman, the Wallace and Gromet claymation people, use CG now. Next came miniatures, models for film. I left the effects industry just as CG was coming into fashion 25 years ago. I don;t know of a single full time modelmaker and most were gone within 5 years of CG and computer printing showed up. Starship Troopers was the last big model film made and that's an old movie now. I currently work doing walk around suits for theme parks and I can tell you nothing is sculpted by hand. It;s all computer modeling. What we are losing that no one will talk about is the craftsmanship. Old school pattern making is largely dead. Hand drawing in architectural design is largely dead. I started out in newspapers and they are largely dead, only the big cities have newspapers and every small town used to have one. Even big cities would have as many as three and they are all down to one. My life has been replaced by technology. I'm in the process of transitioning to permaculture farming, a sculptor remember. It;s the one area where we can still beat machines, by a lot. I can grow nearly 4X the food in the same acreage and by applying technology with ancient techniques I can even feed a 100 people on one acre of ground, and it can be a parking lot. Humans have always been better. Where computers and technology shine is they are adequate, good enough. That's what;s killing us is accepting mediocrity. All the Chinese crap we buy, most lasts a year or two but I;ve had things break as I took them out of the box and many things last weeks to months. Remember, in the past, some of this stuff we passed down to our kids. What we leave behind are garbage pits full of cheap crap. Are things getting better? NO!!!!
thank you for posting this online - the courier pigeon with your message seems to be off-line right now.
@GrayHand-jz6ie
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am realizing that this technology essentially eliminates the need for human creators. It's all about manufacturing cheaply and at the same time destroying any hope of original artists making a living wage. It's despicable and anyone who supports these trends is either jealous of human creators, or works for a soulless corporation that uses this kind of technology. I wish you the very best with your new lifestyle.
Yes well the old axium goes, To those who have privilege, equality feels like opression😂
Also humans need to focus on more important things than the modern slop they pass off as "Art" but then again Art is subjective all you can do is adapt and evolve or go the way of the Steamship, Zeppelin and so on
@@brettellis7563 well put.
Just makes hand chiseled art work alot more valuable
Like I said to other people....lab made diamonds.
Impressed by the well rounded itelligent comments. Hands clapping.
The last 2 artists/sculptors - Barry and Richard have it right. The robotic chiseling is just but a useful tool for the artist to wield to create their work. The sculptor/artist still has to design the piece and go back and forth before coming up with the design, and even they still have to perform the finishing work to make sure it comes out right.
Similar thing happened in the architecture field when CAD (computer-aided design) software came to the field, and instead of spending hundreds of hours on a drawing board and a t-square with a dozen different pencils to draw lines of different depth and thickness, now the software streamlined that process, and made the work much easier to perform. Though the new tools and way to do things, never was able to replace the idea in the mind of the designer/artist.
Most artist that carved in marble had Italian craftsman copy their clay model to 90% completion and then they finish the rest.
This should be the top comment
Thats called a Miniature aka a 3D Plan for the artist to follow instead of a 2D sketch for the Clay Model, and all the work was being done by Artists, maybe in two different locations but the Craft itself was protected.
@@gbekkema why? doesnt have any relevancy to the topic
@@samsmith2635 I think the whole of this comment section would disagree. What do you then think what the topic is?
So you are saying it was done by human hands? That is the point.
I don’t think the reality that the masters had teams really makes any difference. It doesn’t change the fact that using a robot definitely takes magic away from sculpture. Using it as a tool to take away the heavy lifting makes perfect sense- but in a world where everything is automated or AI, I will always place more respect and value on things created solely by human hands- whether it was one person or an anonymous team. SomeONE used their time, energy, and body to do it. That is a type of value that robots will absolutely never have.
Good for you, You can pay 2 million and I'll pay $2000 and get the same thing!
@ShaneMcGrath. Truly spoken as someone who values money more than the actual art (being one of the most tangible parts of the human condition). It’s fine to feel that way, but you seem to be fixated on the money. Anyone with critical thinking and some context knows that the art “market” is by and for the wealthy to have assets, which is very sad. I’m talking about intrinsic value. If they were both free, and both exactly the same- would you still pick the one that’s made entirely by a robot?
Maybe so, because that adds a cool element for you.
Maybe not, because you value the human element that has been the creator for thousands of years. Knowing that it comes from someone who has dedicated their life, time, and effort to go from step one to finished piece like I do.
It’s my opinion, so there’s not really any reason to be sarcastic.
@@ookiiyoo I would say they are being cynical rather than sarcastic.
To the point of cost though, for marble works the cost will still be large. So the idea of 2k for a sculpture is crazy. Maybe if it was concrete.
They had teams but the contemporary art world had exaggerated this. There was a lot of material prep and such to be done. Some had bigger teams and some just one for two assistants. The current art world tries to suggest that assistants meant the artist didn't do their own work. This is not true. They were usually the dominant creative hand on any project. The big name artists, critics and art people are all in bed together and so support each others lies.
It amazing to see the human hand and physical energy translate into works of art become obsolete. Many people have great ideas but the skill to create beyond prompts makes art created by the human more valuable than any artificial laborer.
60 minutes will never recover
I wouldn’t buy it.
The Italian salesman ain't selling it. Art for art sake is a labor of love, not the flip of a switch.
I agree, he said well the artist comes up with the idea ( duh, yeah) and he thought that was all you needed to sell his expensive machine, and call it the artistic process.
They sold crappy modern art, what makes this any different? At least this one is better.
It depends on how much you care about the method, the result is the same.
if the carvings impressed people, it's already art. you don't have a say on it 😂
5:08 “I am… Marble Man.”
As a "robot operator" (machinist), I can tell you, it might look like magic...but you have to have all the same skill and artistry and then add a layer of technology, programming, experience, and craftsmanship.
Sculpters, painters, etc have two sides....the Artistic imagination and vision, and the craftsman. Both are needed.
The artist is what makes the art, without the hands of the artist this will never be anything more than an imitation used for commercial practices.
you are so wrong its crazy
@@headhunter_4209 While you may disagree with the definition of art, you can not deny that machines have been introduced to make the commodification of art easier.
I believe that there is artistic effort put into the design of the 3D model and the final stages of the piece. However, I would not call their technique 'sculpture' in any traditional sense.
This is not art!! The robot is doing the work!!
@@DakotaFord592 It soon will be though, When A.I. creates it on a computer and then the robot sculpts it.
This would be great for making classical architecture cost effective
I totally agree but the result is an imitation of classic art. There’s nothing actually classic about it except that the style is copied and the whole point is defeated.
@@jelambertson neoclassical architecture is a style, not a period
@@jelambertson we can always program some randomness to it.
Can it carve Wenis? I want the david with 500% Wenis
@ I was thinking a better analogy would be watching a video Cirque du Soleil? The result is known and only requires a single display of skill with a thousand copies.
The artistry is in the idea like he said, but also in the execution and, In the bold move to use new technology, like famous artists of the past would have done!
If you went back in time to the ' masters' you would see that they were all using the most advanced technology of their day...
Making something with your own hands from a block of wood, stone, metal, clay.. to a work of art from scratch. It gives so much satisfaction, peace, respect, but also a healthy amount of stress, will it work etc.... and then if it succeeds.... you are the luckiest man on earth.
Someone who does not engage in this kind of high skill ( daily) does not understand this and does not need to comment.
Times are different. We are living in the best time to be creative, so much revolutionary tools and helpful aids to help us achieve our wildest imaginations. It’s foolish to not take advantage of them. Richard is absolutely correct. Those who do not embrace it are the ones who will be left behind.
Michelangelo’s sculptures awe us because every chisel stroke is his and his assistants'. When machines take over-even with human prompts-something essential is lost.Similar with how some might find AI art impressive, but without the artist’s hand and struggle, it’s just lifeless replication, not true art.
Not strictly true, he had assistants that helped him with his sculptures. In a similar way that this robot does the rough cutting and then it is finished by a human.
Would you caption it accordingly?
@SquidsEye oh yeah, you're right, I forgot, although I would argue that it is still the craftsmanship of the artisans that is truly what makes sculptures so special. But robots? Sure, it is an impressive feat, but only in regards to robotics and science, not sculptures. Essentially, sculptures loses its soul, or partly at the least, when they are done by machines, even if humans are involved.
This is not AI. Not yet anyway.
Soon AI will design the art and then robots sculpt...this robot art will stop being appealing once it becomes easily accessible and u have 100s of them being made in Chinese factories..only real art will stand the test of time
What has always made great art remarkable wasn't the fact that it existed, but that it was created directly by the human eye and hand. Take away the eye and hand element and it becomes an artificial replica of art.
how do you think the 3d model was sculpted? The eyes and hands of a human artist perhaps?
@@aleckto28 exactly Michelangelo would absolutely have been all in on using robots
As an artist (who uses both; humans and machines): you are 100 percent spot-on.
Mistakes contain more genius than Perfection.
LMFAO no it doesn't
It really is surprising the jobs involving creativity the ones you would think are innate to humanity are actually the easiest for AI to reproduce. Makes you rethink what being human really is.
‘’You can go too far if the cutter isn’t skillful enough.” That’s the point of the opposition. The skill it took from START to FINISH is a part of the art.
What people don’t understand is the number of people traditionally involved in making most kinds of sculpture well into the 20th century. Sculptors whose finished work is in bronze rely upon skilled foundry workers. Centuries of artists whose work is finished and marble created clay models that were then reproduced in plaster that were then sent off to skilled Italian carvers who translated the work into marble. And yes, they may come in at the end, and do the final detailing and finishing.
And that’s the soul of sculpture not damn robot
Those advances you speak of in your comment facilitated new forms of art but none of those advancements replaced Humans and allowed Human skills to die out. Without Humans hands its not Art.
Robots are merely a new tool in the artist's arsenal.
Like steroids for a baseball player.
@arcadiagreen150 or a metal chisel to an ape?
@jelsner5077 apes didnt invent metal chisels
@@jelsner5077 apes didnt invent chisels
Like commissioning someone else to do it
Absolutely amazing!! Well said by Irving!!
The value in fine art comes from romance. If a statue is hand chiseled by a master, but the marble comes from a quarry in Alabama, then the fantasy is shattered. Like limestone against concrete. No robot is replacing the mountains and history of Italy.
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Labhraíonn an chloch, éistimid.
Hmm. When you remove the human element from the creation of art... you delete the purpose in making it. This is fine if you just want something nice to look at, but it NEEDS to be created by an actual person in order to have a soul attached to it. This counts for all of the art forms. I'm not against AI or machines, I totally get it- but I'd be loath to consider any of the things they do with that= Art. (as an aside, an interesting paradox, that the things that are usurping what is man's best qualities, are themselves, created by man)
It’s another form of manufacture and can never replace the stirrings of the human spirit. I’m not anti-machine, I just don’t believe humans are replaceable by machine especially for something as emotional as art.
how do you think the 3d model was sculpted?
Here’s the thing: using robots or any advanced tool doesn’t change the essence of art-it just changes how it gets made. Art has always evolved with the tools of the time, whether it's a brush, a chisel, or now, a robot. The artist’s emotions, vision, and creativity are still at the core. The robot’s role is just to help them get there.
Saying robot-assisted sculpting is “manufacturing” misses a key point: manufacturing is about reproducing thousands of identical items, but here, a sculptor is using the robot for a one-off piece. The robot doesn’t create the art on its own; it just follows instructions, like a more precise, advanced version of an air-powered chisel. For example, the initial roughing-out of a statue is often done with tools like chainsaws and grinders now, and no one claims that this makes it less “art.” The real art happens in the vision, the detail work, and the finishing-the part that still needs a human hand.
In fact, having the ability to work with more efficient tools can allow the artist to focus more on the nuances of their expression. They’re freed from the constraints of basic labor and can pour more into the details, textures, and emotional depth of the piece. Using a robot or a power tool just enables them to make that expression even more powerful and, if anything, lets them get closer to their original vision.
@@aleckto28 a 3d model is far easier to sculpt than one cut from stone. You dont have many rooms for mistakes as you would on something like zbrush
I love how random and beautiful are those 60 minutes segments. Never thought about a marble sculpting robot or the types of italian stone.
It’s not the idea of the sculpture 6:19, but it’s the vision of how the artist wants to create. Before folks jumping up and down and discredit this man work, his works still NOT the most intricate and expressive enough like the old masters.
The real artists are those CNC programmers 😂
The Art of Cheating...😮
I’m an artist. Using a CNC machine isn’t the same as by hand looks different very dead.
These guys using CNC robots are after money.
The impression I got is they are using the robot to do the “grunt work” and get most of the way there and then the artist does all the detail so what you actually see is the work done by hand in the end.
@@PSNvjimmy Everything was done by hand, the robot made by hand, programming by hand.
All the handwork involved moved more stone from the sculpture faster than one hand.
What if a by hand artist has carpal tunnel syndrome then is robot okay for you?
@@Atilla-m9i No craftsman don’t get carpal tunnel. That a office lady defect.
So i guess being able to make a model in CAD and writing a CNC program makes you an artist now lol
If you make it in real life, that literally does make you an artist. 99% of every physical object, art or not, aside from painting- starts in CAD
@@josephdouglas6260not true
How do you think they make watches and other luxury goods?
@@supermanblackedition its more a question of why do u want all of them to be made in cad
@ two reasons,
1) accessibility, Sculpting and stone work in general are really expensive
2) no one said you had to always use cad. You can still chisel from scratch.
You can't stop the developement of knowledge and technology to please artists and art world... 😮 😊
The robots that make this art are a product of art.
As someone who studied art history and worked in cathedral restorations, bell casting, and restored stained glass I can confirm that all great masters, architects, painters, textile tapestry makers, armory blacksmiths, sculptors, glass blowing artists, stained glass masters had their own teams of helpers and apprentices and it was a prestigious honor to be able to work for a recognized master. The mysticised misconception that great works were done by a single individual are simply not true.
Moreover the fact is that throughout time mankind always tried and use the best tools available and state of the art approach for any given moment in history.
Progress is a constant reality.
I respect both sides of this debate.
Me too.
I think they are arguing over two different techniques and therefore two different products, but since a human is the designer in both cases they are both art.
At the root of the disagreement seems to be the inherent artistic value (if any) of the artist's blood, sweat and tears.
I don't respect the AI robo perspective. They are wasting unrenewable marble resources. It's not fair machine vs. unrenewable stones.
If AI robo scuplt plastic or concrete, perhaps I don't mind. But marble? No.
@real_hello_kitty Better for that marble to become a robot sculpture than a kitchen counter.
@@JasonLarsen-t3v That is exactly my point. My house which was built in 2009 had a granite countertop. But more modern houses, that are built 2013 and newer, are no longer using granite or marble countertops, but the fake ones. Why? Because there are not enough marbles or granites. The demand is bigger than the supply.
The robo sculptor will accelerate fast extortion of nature resources (marbles).
@real_hello_kitty It's because of the price. Besides, nobody needs a marble counter top, it's a waste of marble.
Michelangelo is still the GOAT 🐐
Facts! 💯
And will continue to be the greatest of all time since all these lazy wanna be “artist” downgrading themselves to let a robot do half the work.
I think maybe what is lost is the bond between the artist and the client. A robot can make a 1000 of each piece whereas a traditional artist probably wouldn't want to make endless copies of his/her work. Plus I think there is skill there to produce the primary image that only a true artist possesses. While I don't understand the level of skill required to perform that last 1%, I think the 99% skill perhaps is more precious because the essence of the piece is made during that time. All this said, I have very little artistic talent myself but I can appreciate the skill required to produce a piece regardless of process. I think the tragedy comes when a builder or client pawns a robotic piece off as a human created element. Also, I wonder how difficult it will be for future customers to even differentiate the two. Clearly the resale of a robotically generated piece should fetch a lower price. But I agree it is the idea expressed in the image that stirs the passion in the viewer but the process to make it that is also intertwined in that viewing pleasure. Otherwise, why not make the piece in styrofoam?
NOTHING can stop the evolution of technology.
I promise you Barry, Michelangelo is not looking down at your work with thoughts of approval 😂
Yeah what a crazy thing to say
Obviously this guy has much better artistic taste than Michelangelo😂
fr why would they think michaelangelo wouldve liked his head being put into his pieta? 😂
Michelangelo and DaVinci would have been fascinated and proud of what we are able to achieve now.
The technology? Yes, they would be proud.
Sculpting is passion and craftmanship, robots are just business and profit
Lol, because artists don't need to eat.
@johnbrooks4965 Corporates want more than a day's meal worth of penny. They will always want more. That's the difference.
I think this is wonderful and we can make architecture beautiful and grand again.
This means the real masters work will in time become priceless
If people can't see the intrinsic value in a human doing exhaustively hard work embodied in a beautiful sculpture then perhaps they best stick to boat shows instead of art galleries. It's not just how it looks that matters. Applying convenience and time saving to art is just gross
Exactly and the same can be said of wood work. The detailed wood work in old homes is inspiring. Having those details recreated by machines for a modern home would never have the same appeal.
Please let Trey Parker and Matt Stone know about this, it would make a great "they took urr jobs" Episode of southpark😆
It’s funny how all the non-artistic ppl here defend AI.
I cant see AI here.
As an artist myself, traditional too, I am used to this at this point. They promise us that the robots will replace the boring jobs and give us time to pursue a creative job, but instead the creative field got replaced by robots and the artists should get a boring job. Its a massive societal treason no one asked for. Playing such games with the collective soul, society will become even more mercantile. When people complain modern art is bad, maybe they deserve this version of it anyway. Meanwhile they want to sold my impressionistic oil paintings for as cheap as possible.
@@LyubomirIko Just another chapter in the book titled "Humans Figuring Out They Are Not That Special".
@@fastindy humans are indeed special, especially those who have gifts, cheering for their replacement as "nothing special" is psychopathic.
@@fastindy We're pretty special if we have no other accounts of beings like us existing in the known universe. You are a one of a kind, it doesn't matter how many of us there are, you, yourself are fairly unique. From the elements composing you in this universe, you're fairly special. We were doing this before machines. They merely emulate what YOU are because your existence is a wonder of the universe. The day that is proved otherwise is the day you can claim that us as a species posses no special qualities.
I am a 3d printing, Cnc machines expert, it’s BS to say humans still have to do 50 % of the work. The machine does it all once you tune the settings right. He just doesn’t want to admit he doesn’t have to sculpt anymore…
I don’t see this as a treat to the art world more as a tool for people to help expressing themselves.
I honestly think is just like a 3d printing . It ripping off the soul in crafting same thing happen with photography when digital photography took over
Evolution
You don't think that painters and artists said the same thing when cameras were invented? "Oh that's not art, you just press a button!" In the future, a robot actually carving a piece of marble will be considered quaint and outdated. You see? Everything is relative. Everyone uses the tools they have at their disposal.
@@usnchief1339 File - Sand paper - Powered angle grinder - Stepping motors - Lasers
The artists tools got better and faster. You're still an artist.
These people are pretty much saying "You're not a doctor if you're using advanced medicine or life support machines"
That ticking at the beginning of the video always triggers memories of my childhood, on Sundays. My mom always made dinner and she would serve close to when 60 minutes was on. That program was the only one she would keep on while we ate. And I never understood why they showed that ticking clock. So the sound of it makes my brain go to Sunday nights at dinner. It’s so weird and yet bittersweet for my childhood.
Pens replaced quills, paper replaced parchment, electric saws replaced manual saws, screws replaced nails and plugs, that's how it works.
Those tools are all operated by human skill, big difference.
“Pens replaced quills.”
Last time I checked, people were praising Shakespeare and the Brontë’s for their ideas, not their penmanship.
Writing and literature are not a visual medium. You read a book for the ideas, not the font.
False equivalency on your part.
@@loudwatersrunshallow Well I was searching for proof of advancement so I did dip ! Your tone suggest disaproval towards conflict ? Not here for that thanks. Good luck
Its not art, its just a production machine churning out a product.
They forgot what really is beautiful in art, that is a balance between perfection and imperfection actions.
Art is always evolving. This is not the end of hand crafted statues this is a new field. Like with photography vs. painting.
Great way to learn the difference between an artist and an illustrator. Robots are able to produce illustrative work .
No field is off limits. Embrace and adapt. That is progress. It is evolution.
Yes, exactly.
This will surely help artists who want to automate their production.
I have seen artists deteriorate in health but this will alleviate it greatly :)
Awesome stuff! Michelangelo would have wanted one of these machines, for sure!
Robots are replacing humans little by little. But it’s our own fault.
That's called progress my friend, eventually our goal should be to automate every job so that humans are no longer tools to be exploited.
@@NakedSageAstrology And then what? What do people do all day?
@golddmane
Why do we need to decide what people do all day? Perhaps this free Time will allow the humans to build healthy human relationships, bond with family and create non psychopathic humans for the future.
@@NakedSageAstrology The problem is that a life of excess pleasure and no responsibility quickly becomes meaningless. And now that it's clear that AI will be able to create art, people will feel completely unfulfilled.
Every precedent we have for people who do zero work throughout their life is negative. Depression is already skyrocketing because of the internet. Imagine what it'll be like when it not only feels like one's own life has no purpose, but that the entire purpose of humanity has been made obsolete by AI.
@golddmane
The need for purpose is nothing more than ego. Humans will learn to bond with their peers and raise healthy human families, free of the current stresses and turmoils. Humans will have to look within for fulfillment.
The funny thing about capitalism is that even though they are producing 10 times more products at an incredible rate, their prices have not gone down.
I prefer that personal human touch; the love, the sweat, the thought, the artistry, the passion that makes art, art. Others can disagree, and that’s okay. I just think real art is very personal and very human.
Gross😊
I am a Master Woodcarver. When I started doing competitions I would get Best of Show every time I entered and the old guard would say they will never use power tools in their carvings, but they wouldn't get best of shows either. Since the "Old Guard" were on the board of directors, they changed the rules so I couldn't compete anymore. BS! They use their chisels and files on wood cut down by $300,000 timber harvesters and say they are "all traditional" in their work. I've made a career out of my art and jobs for other people too using any tool I can get my hand on. (Wooden Alchemy)
I would love to see more sculptures in parks and buildings. If this makes the art more accessible, great!
Nothing can beat art being made by hand, no matter what new tech comes along. This is why we are called Artist.👨🏽🎨
The average person just wants something beautiful in their home. The only reason artist can make a living is because those people can't make it themselves. When they can design it themselves with prompts and have a machine manufacture it for them why would they need an artist?
@ Robots are called robots for a reason. You could never call a robot a artist. Most people that truly value art prefer to have real art in their homes and that could only come from a real artist. Robot art is just something else and could never be handcrafted because robots don’t have hands. 🙌🏾
@@kenomappartist Again, MOST people simply don't look at art the way artists do. Most artists who make a living from it actually understand that they need to make something that MOST people want to buy if they want to KEEP making a living from it.
At the end of the day machines are just tools. As the tools get better average people are going to be able to create their own art that, at least in their eyes, rivals what you consider to be "real art" for a fraction of what "real art" costs. At that point, how do you think the average artist is going to make a living from it?
Art is so much deeper than money my friend. As much as money is needed, it has never guided my pen nor can I base one musical note upon it. The beauty of creation flows from the soul. If others can appreciate it enough to show that appreciation through purchasing that piece, it’s a nice gesture, yet for me as a artist, I could never make something so beautiful based on a fantasy that anyone would like it or pay for it at all. Art does not work like that. You make something from your heart, not something for cash. At least for me, this gives one a greater chance at making a masterpiece. If one can reach this state, the cash will naturally flow (w marketing of course) but if you solely create for cash, I think artist may find themselves disappointed. It’s not easy, yet this is a part of being a artist. Believing that your soul is leading you to create something the whole world could appreciate regardless of the time it takes and if not, at least you can be pleased with your own creations in the end. There’s no short cuts at being a artist. HeART first, cash later.
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@@francois853Ai art is robots and human art by humans. Ai replacing humans was never a good idea
Art is not about the form. It is about effort.
That's why many people don't like AI art, or robot sculptures. Or even digital art.
Intricate tools and technology make complicated form in art easily attainable-therefore make it less valuable. Photography is full on realism, you can't get more real then that, yet a good photo is never will be as valuable as good drawing.
Art is not about end goal and not about how good it looks, and not about how many good looking things you can create in X less amount of time.
Artist were poor, yet they always chased an idea, poured souls in the projects, years of effort. That is why it is valuable. Not just because there are less good art of those artists, but because it is about persistance.
Lately i noticed, that i realy appreciate rough drawings, with broad strokes, almost chaotic, yet you can clearly see intended form. Faces with colorfull shadows, or profiles with just black on white canvas. Kinda expressive but readable.
But robots... Nah, i want to see something created as soul food, not as just some 9to5 workload after robot did 95% of the work
Don't get me wrong, let people work and have their bread, but that is not realy art.
To fully illustrate my point, i would give a thought experiment.
Imagine naturally born child of two loving parents with all imperfections, or child constructed and modified in the lab, created to be perfect with best genes, best everything.
That lab child will be the biggest and best acheivement of science, of "art". Yet, can you call him trully human? Can you compare phisicaly and mentaly healthy child grown in a good family with the perfect lab grown child, who, possibly can't even get stressed, or feel weak at times? Like compare pre serum captain america and let's say vision. It is not the same art.
Yes its fundamentally about meaning
They think Michelangelo did all the rough cut himself and had no shop workers or apprentices?
So I guess you missed the part of the video where they mentioned that? And, many times Michelangelo did do EVERYTHING by himself...but regardless of who did the work-it was done by Humans.
Michelangelo almost certainly did the majority of the sculpture “David” by himself.
They are 60 minutes and pronounce his name Mikelangelo. They using an automated narrator.
I actually do think he did most of the work by himself. He was a little bit crazy.
Apprentices didn't do 99%, regardless it's all hand done.
Art is all in the eye of the beholder ! A CNC machine is Art !
The first marble quarry (1785) in the USA was in the village of South Dorset, Vermont. You can hike up to it today, and has a lovely view of the valley.
don't despair -- there's room for everyone! Cheers!
Not in "Hand made art."
@@leonardodalongisland I disagree! Creativity is infinite! Art generated by Robo will be plentiful, replaceable, and inexpensive; and art generated by humans will be rare, cherished, and expensive. Room for everyone, no?
Resources are finite
@@cosmiclettuce Yep, "art" made by robots will be nothing more than cheap knock offs.